psyker-class

[spice veldt]

more warp charges = more stacks applied

[small flicker]

you assume me to be level 30

precious

[ember sentinel]

Oh

[spice veldt]

if you're not at level 15 or 25, then maintaining warp charges can be painful

[small flicker]

15 yea

shit sucks

[ember sentinel]

Yeah that might be why

[spice veldt]

those feat lines have feats that helps with warp charges

[ember sentinel]

Feats are super important on psyker

[spice veldt]

though at level 15, picking Psychic Communion (4% chance for warp charge on kill) means giving up Psykinetic's Aura (15% CDR on elite kill)

which is a bit sucky

[pine merlin]

they worked for me when I made a new psyker to run with a buddy. I think they are connected to your account more so than each character.

[spice veldt]

so brain burst will prob be your main source of warp charges

[pine merlin]

cant confirm if you delete the character that unlocked them or not though.

[spice veldt]

if nothing else, you can sprint while casting brain burst and slide with it to move faster than usual

[ember sentinel]

I need to do that more

I usually just end up dodging half the time

[spice veldt]

I get caught by snipers too much to use my dodges up

[small flicker]

shit takes forever though

to charge up

[pine merlin]

Pyschic communion or whatever it's called is pretty effective too if you don't wanna deal with BBing everything

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a 2 second cast which is quite long in a fight

[ember sentinel]

Yeah i run communion

So ill top myself off to 6 with bb and then just let communion keep me topped off

With the occasional bb

[pine merlin]

it works a millions times better than i was expecting it too lol

[small flicker]

and when my luck is always having the enemies bunching up on me instead of the hulking beasts known as my teammates

[spice veldt]

I run a lvl25 feat that helps with warp charges; and I rarely ever BB for the purposes of getting warp charges

[small flicker]

2 seconds is a literal death sentence

[spice veldt]

dodging is pretty important for psykers

[restive slate]

Though I admit, 6 warp charges is pretty tasty

[pine merlin]

real truth. Doing the glowy hand shuffle

[restive slate]

One day, I'll master the dodge slide

[ember sentinel]

I def dodge and slide more as psyker than i run lol

[pine merlin]

also looking away from the person you are BBing makes you look like a badass or weirdo....depends who you ask

[ornate hamlet]

Ah, good.

[small flicker]

my movement skills are pretty dog

[spice veldt]

here's the gist of dodging. Dodging will do two things:

• Break the tracking of enemies. That means that when you dodge around, they won't turn. And if you dodge away from them, they'll sometimes not follow you or stick to their original movement speed at the time when you dodged. Some melee attacks can't have their tracking broken, like rager's 4-swing combos.
• Put you in a melee dodge state, which is basically i-framing attacks. Some melee attacks ignore your melee dodge state, like rager's 4-swing combos, plague ogryn's underhand, and running attacks.

Most attacks can have their tracking broken, so it's better to dodge sideways if you can help it unless getting distance away is the priority (such as against ragers with their undodgeables).

[restive slate]

Which attacks aren't broken by dodge?

[coarse pond]

quick question, is it true that running only one force weapon doubles your quelling speed?

[spice veldt]

rager combos, the sprinting attacks of groaners/poxwalkers/bruisers, etc.

the only thing that affects quell speed is the weapon that you currently have equipped

[pine merlin]

i mean it takes awhile and then next thing you know you are playing another game constantly jumping around like an idiot out of reflex....

[spice veldt]

Non-force weapons and staffs (depending on their quell speed stat) have a faster passive quelling speed

[ember sentinel]

I seperated my jump and dodge button

[spice veldt]

Staffs have a faster active quelling speed (depending on their quell speed stat) than Brain Burst or force swords

[ember sentinel]

Helped with movement a lot

[restive slate]

I almost always switch to staffs for quelling

[dawn crypt]

Dodging not only fucks with their aim tracking but also alters your hitbox

[pine merlin]

you know what. this made me instantly feel 30% more stupid for not thinking of that....

[dusk sierra]

I am not well versed in the ways of voidstrike on 5s, this worth nabbing from melk?

[spice veldt]

it doesn't really alter your hitbox; you're put in a dodge state against ranged attacks as well

[ember sentinel]

I also moved my slide button but that was for comfort so i wasnt pressing ctrl 1000x a game and instead an easily accessible mouse button

[restive slate]

Smart, I'm already used to space for both since Vermintide

[spice veldt]

you can dodge into a sniper and not get hit even though their shot goes right through you

[restive slate]

What did you change it to?

[ember sentinel]

Mouse 4

So one of my thumb mouse buttons

[pine merlin]

i mean that Warp Nexus is calling my name, but the peril removal and secondary cooldown are epic

[hidden crystal]

To some extent, you need to learn when to use it, but it definitely doesn't suck.

[restive slate]

Ah damn I need one of those

[spice veldt]

I have my dodge bound to 'Shift' and my crouch on 'C'

[restive slate]

To be fair, Voidstrike doesn't generate that much peril

[pine merlin]

this would explain so much, I was begining to think i was the chosen one.

[spice veldt]

which is nice so that the muscle memory for initiating a slide is the same with either sprinting or dodging

[ember sentinel]

Crouch and slide are still together for me

But jump i moved to ctrl

[spice veldt]

sliding similarly puts you into this dodge state (both sprint-slides and dodge-slides)

[pine merlin]

true. but there is something special about spamming that charge shot forever

[ember sentinel]

Quell cancel on void is very fun

Not optimal

But fun

[dawn crypt]

My side mouse is crouch. I press SHIFT + side mouse to slide lol

[ember sentinel]

And probably bad for your hands

[restive slate]

Hoping there'll be Rending Shockwave blessing for Voidstrike in the future

[ember sentinel]

Yeah same

[spice veldt]

i have my quell key on 'V' so that I can just use my thumb for it

[pine merlin]

OMG don't tease me

[hidden crystal]

It's often useful for yeeting a pox hound off an ally you can't quite get to right now, and at full power it actually has a surprisingly huge range.

(It also gains a lot of utility with the Lvl 30 feats).

[spice veldt]

the downside is that I can't really slide/quell at the same time, though I have an autohotkey to make my mouse5 remapped to 'V'

[restive slate]

I even use the SoulBlaze Voidstrike quell cancel spam just to mix things up

[ember sentinel]

I have a staff for that but my crits never proc

[dusk sierra]

I mean quell is pretty fast anyways right

[ember sentinel]

I swear im cursed

[pine merlin]

Not gonna lie id be real tempted to roll surge onto that first blessing and see if it worked lol

[dusk sierra]

yeah nexus 4 is dank

[restive slate]

Mine has 5 crit chance perk and 4 Warp Nexus, even then I still have to spam to get Soulblaze going

[dawn crypt]

#1 pro tip: MAKE SURE U GOT G-SYNC ON for this game and every game. I play every game on BORDERLESS window and sometimes updating a driver changes Nvidia control panel default to GSYNC only on for FULL SCREEN. make sure its BOTH

[ember sentinel]

Yeah i have the same thing

[restive slate]

What tier is Surge? I've never seen it

[ember sentinel]

4

P sure

I do not have an nvidia card

[dawn crypt]

I thought surge would be huge Dmg increase , but it doesnt proc much

[spice veldt]

it's t4-only

[ember sentinel]

Also doesnt borderless window affect refresh rate

Surge pretty mid yeah

[pine merlin]

i mean it def does, but it's hard to explain the magic of warp flurry and peril removal

[dusk sierra]

doesnt it shoot a minimum charged shot

[spice veldt]

windowed modes usually have some extra input lag compared to exclusive fullscreen

[ember sentinel]

Ive never had an issue with full screen

[pine merlin]

omg, i wonder if this is the explination of the shitty frame drops I was getting!!

[ember sentinel]

Even on max settings

[ember sentinel]

That was probably the shader cache

If it was after the patch

[digital loom]

make sure ray tracing is off

[dawn crypt]

GSYNC is night and day for this game.

[pine merlin]

even with nexus? i haven't tried cause everyone said it sucked lol

[ember sentinel]

Oh yeah no ray tracing

[digital loom]

for me it defaults to "custom" every time i launch game and it steals 20 fps

[dawn crypt]

GSYNC will give u steady frames and smooth gameplay

[ember sentinel]

That shit tanks most games

[dawn crypt]

It will give u the feel and illusion of higher frames

[pine merlin]

with this last patch for sure, but the one before it was really bad for the whole time before the next patch

its good now.

[ember sentinel]

Yeah it was a weird issue

At least it went away

Not that it excuses it

[pine merlin]

yeah i just assumed it was on by default, I always turn v-sync off

[dawn crypt]

yep

[digital loom]

all vsync off, all overlays off (unless using cash shop) dont alt tab when game loads initially, all non graphics related things you can do

[pine merlin]

I never had issues till they said they fixed the issues. then I had issues, now I don't lol

[digital loom]

oh

and close internet browser

[ember sentinel]

Yeah def no v sync esp if your pc is powerful enough to not need jt

[pine merlin]

In my experience it's usually some stupid thing I assumed was working that I was too smug to check.

[ember sentinel]

I never run v sync on any game tho

[dusk sierra]

it becomes like an autocannon right

[pine merlin]

yeah, but with big angry balls of doom and slightly slower

@dusk sierra i've been pretty damn happy with this one.

i mean with the changes to how staves quell it's not at potent as it was before, but it's pretty fun just sitting back and blasting forever

[prisma copper]

Is the second shot blessing worth it?

[dusk sierra]

as far as I've seen no

[ember sentinel]

No

[pine merlin]

unless they change how crit stacks for void its pretty low proc chance

[ember sentinel]

Low proc and the 2nd shot isnt even that good

Pretty sure its just uncharged

[pine merlin]

now if it was weak spot hit, that brrrrrr would be fun as shit.

[ember sentinel]

Multiplies per weakspot hit

[dusk sierra]

looks dope, I feel like the nexus/transfer peril would be anti-synergistic? or maybe not

idk

[ember sentinel]

18 charged shots going through a horde

[dusk sierra]

I don't psyker much

[pine merlin]

still haven't tried it with nexus so not sure if that would be better

[ember sentinel]

Transfer warp flurry is the best combo atm

Nexus isnt bad tho

[pine merlin]

yeah thats why i was saying it might be worth trying surge, but again i'd hate to recommend it and it suck.

[dusk sierra]

eh all good, I think I want to roll for flurry on my purgatus

[pine merlin]

if anything you could learn it and use it on a purg staff like i did.

oh already have it haha

oooh flurry with nexus on purg is nice.

[ember sentinel]

Flurry nexus on purg is very good

[dusk sierra]

yeee

one day I'll find it lol

[ember sentinel]

Rng has been kinder to most people recently

If you farm it now you might get it

[pine merlin]

I'll never forget the time I got tier 4 surge and about shit myself twice....once for the thrill of getting it, and then finding out it sucked for the most part.

i've had best luck with melk rolling shit stats and spicey blessings.

[ember sentinel]

I need to grind out staffs again

I have t3 of pretty much everything and t4 transfer/flurry on void but cant get them on the same staff

[pine merlin]

every time I get frustrated about RNG here i just remind myself I could be rolling 6 links in PoE

[pine merlin]

yeah that is a pain

[dusk sierra]

oh god I forgot about that pain

[shadow wigeon]

When you are rolling a Purg or Surge staff, and want flurry/nexus: always change the first blessing to terrifying barrage before you roll the second blessing.

They way, if you roll a T4, you’re guaranteed to get nexus or flurry (there are only 3 T4 blessings) and you can switch barrage back when you’re done.

[pine merlin]

wait wat!?

[ember sentinel]

Yeah thats the secret strat

[pine merlin]

i had no clue that impacted it haha

[ember sentinel]

Assuming ofc you didnt get one of them on roll one

Yeah it takes it out of the pool

[pine merlin]

true.

[ember sentinel]

So you cant get it

[shadow wigeon]

It doesn’t matter. AkwYs do it.

[ember sentinel]

Oh right

You could just change back

[shadow wigeon]

You will always get flurry/nexus that way (if you get T4).

[pine merlin]

I noticed once you get the perk re-roll to 0 plasteel it seems like its locked to certain perks.

[ember sentinel]

I dont think so

But i could be wrong

[pine merlin]

i mean i could be too, just seemed that way.

[ember sentinel]

Theres just a lot of perks and i think some are rare

[shadow wigeon]

Once you change a perk or a blessing the OTHER perk or blessing is locked.

The one you changed can be changed forever.

[pine merlin]

yeah i know that, but it seemed like it rolled the same 5 -10 perks at the same tier, but like i said, could totally just be assuming that.

[dusk sierra]

what the

[shadow wigeon]

It’s random, although it’s possible some perks might be more rare than others. Don’t craft without the reroll mod.

[pine merlin]

ok, so you're saying there's a chance I can still get my 5% crit chance instead of 4

[shadow wigeon]

Unless your item is below 300 item rating, you can get whatever perk you want

Get the reroll mod

[pine merlin]

LOL so glad I saw you say that. just rolled it

OK everyone ignore my outlandish theory!!!!

[pine merlin]

does it save me from my clicking?

[cyan notch]

yes and does it much faster than u can click

[shadow wigeon]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/30

It can take thousands of rolls to get the perk you want

There’s no reason to get stuck with the vanilla system.

[pine merlin]

for sure. thanks!

Do i need nexus or anything for it?

[old field]

it s flak and unarmoured the best pair perk for void staff ?

[pine merlin]

I know this is stupid ok! But it makes me happy!

[fierce sinew]

nexus is the most convenient place to download them but you don't need to use a mod manager or anything if you don't want to

[old field]

how well it s working ?

[pine merlin]

ok thanks!

[pine merlin]

I mean it works, but the problem is not missing the second hit lol

[fierce sinew]

there's a jsat video that's been posted in this channel plenty with a tutorial

[pine merlin]

that and it's pretty inconsistent with poxwalkers.

[fierce sinew]

but once you have the mod framework set up you're just extracting zips into a mod folder and adding the folder names to a text file, it's very straightforward

[pine merlin]

with the whole instantly dying thing.

[jaunty moth]

really lmao thats great

[old field]

so ?

[pine merlin]

sweet! Yeah used to mod a lot with other games.

[pine merlin]

I think i have flak and carapace, but not sure if that is BiS or not

[pine merlin]

but its been a while, so appreciate the info

[shadow wigeon]

You’re not modding darktide so much as…. Updating to unofficial 1.0. When the game leaves beta I’m sure all these features will be baked in….

[pine merlin]

it's one of those, I hope it becomes a thing so I am gonna pretend it's awesome.

[pine merlin]

LOL

[fierce sinew]

the more they update to add mod functionality into the base game the more true that meme becomes kekw

[pine merlin]

and yet keeps being the story of so many games lol

[ember sentinel]

Mods are such a godsend

Reroll mod has saved me thousands of clicks

It saved me over 500 on a single weapon once

[fierce sinew]

reroll mod changes the game completely

[pine merlin]

Man, the amount of years I wasted on valve games and old BF games because of mods...

[ember sentinel]

Reroll/numeric ui are my favs

I also like scoreboard for obvious reasons

[fierce sinew]

it may as well be a straight up damage buff, it's absolutely the difference between correct build and compromise build for so many players (including me)

[pine merlin]

I'm afraid of what that will make me become....

[fierce sinew]

a better player

people who play without scoreboard are like people who don't use dps meter in mmos to me

opinions worth nothing, head in sand

[pine merlin]

I mean I am all about the stats, but some days I like to slap heretics for the sake of carefree slapping. Although i find it extremely weird its not build in already.

[ember sentinel]

Its good for knowing how your doing

[pine merlin]

yeah, didn't mean to sound like i was bashing it. I just know how I can get in games some times lol

[ember sentinel]

Although sometimes youll be outscored by someone cause they pressed all the elevator buttons and grabbed all the plasteel lol

Oh its fair

[faint heron]

Not when you only look at raw damage 😂

[old field]

i was wondering block efficiency on deflector is good ?

[ember sentinel]

Yeah i meant for overall score

Im glad they didnt make killing stuff all that matters but i find the weighting a little weird still

[pine merlin]

i use it , but no clue if its significant

[ember sentinel]

But mostly fine

[faint heron]

Sometimes its all about doing your job also though like I can out dps someone by 200k on damage but if they were a vet doing their job and slapping shooters then I'm more humble lol

[ember sentinel]

Yeah sometimes i feel like i did my job and managed hordes and whatnot but got an awful score

So i need to look at not overall

Sometimes

[fierce sinew]

it's not really about the overall scores, just having quantifiable feedback for your gameplay is just really important for learning how actually effective you're being

[faint heron]

Hey if you won the match without carrying or being carried then you all did well

[fierce sinew]

so many times I'll play with someone who "feels like" they're killing a lot of specials/doing a lot of damage/etc, and they aren't

[ember sentinel]

Yeah idc so long as we win

[pine merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

any stats or numbers trigger this in me

[fierce sinew]

and the fact that your scoreboards are saved for you to look at later helps you identify trends. You can play a map or 10 with kb instead of ab and see what changes

[old field]

if i get 20 block efficiency on top of 36 block efficiency from curios seems to be godlike no ?

[fierce sinew]

things like that

[ember sentinel]

But when i all the hordes/specials and get a meh score i wonder if i should have focused objective more but tbh if someone was doing it instead while i covered them idc

[faint heron]

I'm the same, I always try to beat my last stat however I got a 600k damage score last night and I'm going to be hard pressed to beat it haha

[pine merlin]

cant remember the feat, but I am assuming that if you combine with that one that uses peril before stam it would be stupid fun.

[pine merlin]

Then you get mad at yourself "why am I failing!!!!!?"

[old field]

but even with a shit tone of stamina

[faint heron]

💯

[old field]

imagine +9 stamina on curio

[pine merlin]

for real though. I like to see that info, but it will push me to get into the "obsession" phase.

from time to time hahaha

[faint heron]

You become more and more aggressive until you start playing poorly because your out of position lol

[old field]

and 36 stamina regen on curio

[pine merlin]

Damn it now you gonna make me farm curios....

[old field]

XD

you could basicaly don t have the use of kinetic deflection (this is the feat)

[pine merlin]

theres a reason i dont often play competative games anymore that i care about.

LOL

[ember sentinel]

If your stamina bar doesnt look like a mega man health bar do you have enough stamina

[pine merlin]

yeah and whos gonna be getting the last laugh when the Psyker melee staff meta takes over

[ember sentinel]

True

I love 4 hour missions

[old field]

yes if you have + 9 stamina from curio and + 3 from the weapon i consider a beast of stamina xD

[pine merlin]

i really hope this was in reference to a psyker melee staff run....

[ember sentinel]

I have never done a melee staff run

[pine merlin]

i mean has anyone?

[ember sentinel]

Im not sure it would be possible

[pine merlin]

damn it, now i have to make that happen...

[ember sentinel]

Even with 4 psykers

Assuming your on damnation

[pine merlin]

its either going to be the shortest run ever or the longest.

[ember sentinel]

It would be so sad if you wiped half way through

Like 2 hours wasted

[pine merlin]

for real lol.

omg that reminds me of playing morrowind for hours to only have the game crash and remember there isn't an autosave

[forest coral]

thats like most cataclysm chaos waste runs in vermintide

either die first map because game decided to be an asshole

[pine merlin]

are you saying you're in!?

[forest coral]

or die at any subsequent given point onwards because game decided to be an asshole

[empty mesa]

Is it just me or is everything mediocore on psycher outside purge staff

And was BB nerfed

[forest coral]

nope bb wasnt nerfed

[spice veldt]

BB has been buffed overall

[empty mesa]

Swear it's doing less damage

Maybe I'm smoking

[forest coral]

BB just needs battery to hit certain breakpoints in damnation afaik

[fierce sinew]

and wu

[spice veldt]

warp unleashed is good nuff for two-shotting bulwarks even with 0 warp charges

[pine merlin]

i mean it was hella nerfed after beta, but not sure if that counts

[spice veldt]

maybe you forgot to pick a feat?

I've sometimes gone into games with my lvl10 and lvl25 feats unselected

[dawn crypt]

Anyone know what Mesh quality does? And how much it makes a difference?

[ember sentinel]

I dont remember what it does but if you hover over it/the slider it might tell you

[blissful kestrel]

2 questions, firstly is mobility important on a Illisi and secondly if not what should I replace on it?

[ember sentinel]

Its not super important but warp resist is the dump stat

[spice veldt]

you can afford to give up some mobility

if you intend to use the illisi a lot, I would not treat warp resistance as the dump stat

[ember sentinel]

Yeah if your melee heavy dont i can agree

[spice veldt]

I'd replace +elite damage with +maniac for mutants and dreg ragers

[ember sentinel]

Shred to unstable as well

[spice veldt]

if you have t4 slaughterer, I'd upgrade the t3 slaughterer you currently have; otherwise, I'd replace shred with another blessing

[ember sentinel]

Damn is t4 slaughterer that good

[spice veldt]

it's +15% power over t3

[ember sentinel]

Wow

[spice veldt]

not as good as t4 unstable power, but you do have the benefit of keeping shred

[blissful kestrel]

Ok, thank you very much.

[faint heron]

Warp resistance is my dump stat

[blissful kestrel]

If I could switch them I would in a heartbeat

[faint heron]

This kills absolutely everything

Cares not about crushers

[empty mesa]

Yo why tf do my fests keep reseting

Feats

[ember sentinel]

Are you changing loadouts

Your feats will be the feats of whatever they were whenever you made that loadout till you change it

[empty mesa]

Between my 3 presets they'll reset sometimes

Like will be set, won't touch feats on anything, changes itself

[ember sentinel]

Huh

Yeah im not sure what would cause that

[cyan notch]

score means nothing u just look at the actual stats and see how u did from there

[ember sentinel]

Which stats do you value most

[spice veldt]

damage done and mission completion time is what I care about

damage taken is a useless stat to me because of my tendency to take damage in bursts and throw the game

[cyan notch]

i only care about damage taken and specials killed

[ember sentinel]

Ok cool

I generally focused specials killed and enemies killed if i felt like i was doing all the horde managment

Also objective since we do need to do that to progress the mission

Esp if nobody else wants to do it

[spring hamlet]

hey friends

which of these blessings would be better to pilfer off this surge staff?

got it in a random emp gift

im assuming warp flurry but I figured I'd ask

[blissful kestrel]

Do you have another surge staff to put it onto immediately? If not I would keep it for now; wait until you get the other. You don't want to pull Flurry then find another T3 flurry soon after.

[spring hamlet]

Not immediately, my other surge staff I normally use actually has warp flurry 3 already, and warp nexus 1

so I'd like to grab that nexus 3 off and slap it onto my normal surge staff but, im thinking long term

[blissful kestrel]

Then when you find a better staff pull flurry 3 off the one you are currently using.

[spring hamlet]

you raise a good point

alright I'll grab the nexus then

ty

it'll do

[blissful mural]

I miss bloodthirsty before the nerf, does not feel like a level 4 blessing since the 'fix', anyone stil use it?

[cyan notch]

nah its mid now

usuable on illisi but thats about it

[blissful mural]

old bloodthirsty would have been baller on illsi

it was great when i had that with t4 fire on crit

flet like actually had a magic sword

[rapid bear]

Ugh... okay, so do I upgrade the blue twice when I have the resources and hope for the best, or do I crunch it for the blessing and swap out the focused channeling on the orange? 😕

[blissful mural]

I like focused channeling on surge

thats a great surge, but it may eventually be worth just to take the blessing

frankly i think you should sell your orange just cause of that horrid warp resistance

[orchid shadow]

Upgrade the blue, definitely.

[rich rose]

Surge has been a favorite for a long time followeed by Purg

[orchid shadow]

The stat distrubution on the blue is still better than the 80s on the orange. And it comes with a T4 Nexus? All it needs is a good perk and you're golden

[restive slate]

Gonna need some new Staffs soon

As much as 2h force sword is appealing

[rapid bear]

It's an extra I've been toying around with. My main one has Warp Flurry 3 and the friggin' suppression one on it, but way better stats for supportting in HIG.

[blissful mural]

barrage (suppression) is underated imo

[rapid bear]

It definitely can be clutch when killing horde mobs.

[blissful mural]

the problem with that blessing and suppression blessings in general is they can be hard to notice in the moment

but then you run with and w/o it back to back and you feel it

[restive slate]

Chainweapons need Terrifying Barrage on rev kill

[blissful mural]

oooh i like that idea

i think all weapons should have some inherent blessing - like they almost did with the force swords.

[restive slate]

Oh yea the force block bug

Turns Psyker into a better Shieldgryn haha

[blissful mural]

I honestly think that was an oversight rather than bug

i could imagine it orignially being inherent and then made in to a blessing and they just forgot to remove it from the new force swords when they launched

[shadow wigeon]

You're safe to upgrade the blue, it's already got the blessing you want. Yeah, it doesn't have an ideal perk right now, but you're getting close to max power there.

[shadow wigeon]

It has a lot of limitations. How long the suppression lasts, it's mostly just shooters that actually get suppressed. If you know exactly what it does, you can leverage it sometimes, but it's not a strong choice on surge.

I agree that I notice it when I'm running it, but it's also not clear if it's doing anything that matters - ie I'm often suppressing mobs that don't matter.

[blissful mural]

oh i depend on using surge to stun shooters

so i dont disagree i think we just have differing play styles

[shadow wigeon]

I mean... they're a pretty low priority target

[blissful mural]

not when theyre shooting you theyre not

[shadow wigeon]

Something has gone wrong if a surge staff user is in position to suppress shooters though

[round jay]

I honestly feels like it does nothing. I never notice the stagger or whatever it does

[blissful mural]

causes enemies near the one you killed to scatter a bit instead of just flinching

[round jay]

It isn’t 8m radius around us?

[blissful mural]

around the kill

[shadow wigeon]

No it's around you

[orchid shadow]

Woot! Finally a staff better than my old one! Not sure if should say with Crit or go with Maniac, but I'm happy that I finally got T4 Flurry

[round jay]

The close range limitation make it less obvious I think. How much is "close range"

[blissful mural]

id stay with crit

[shy prairie]

mmm crit m1 spam

[shadow wigeon]

Close range is 20m I beleive? that's not a big limitation. It's more that you're not suppressing anything that matters hugely

or if you are, things have gotten really weird

[spice veldt]

close ranged should be 15m

[shadow wigeon]

Is it 15? it's reasonably far in practice

[round jay]

I would like it to be useful with horde, but it really feel like nothing changes

[shadow wigeon]

I beleive it only affects mobs that can be suppressed, ie shooters (?)

[old field]

apparently the 5 th blessing of duelling sword is unobtainable wtf

[spice veldt]

that's just datamined information

it was never in the game

[spice veldt]

yup

[kind jay]

i like how barrage is so defective no one seems to really know how it works, when it works, or why

[old field]

but how you explain in hadron shrine there 5 blessing place

[round jay]

So it does nothing to horde, great. Not like 90% of the shooters are more than 30m away

[spice veldt]

the 5th blessing is something else that I can't recall

[orchid shadow]

That's my impression as well. I tried Terrifying Barrage on the Trauma staff to see what goes into the "fear" animation, and it's only the shooters

[spice veldt]

riposte, rampage, shred, precognition, and uncanny strike

[shadow wigeon]

The scab "shooters" get close enough for it to matter

It's just very narrow utility

[old field]

oh ok fine

[spice veldt]

for whatever reason, Shred is missing from the gameslantern page

[round jay]

I though it would stun mobs for like 0.5s while in difficulty against horde, but nope

At least now I know why I never felt it useful when I thought it would be

[cyan notch]

groaners can be suppressed

[round jay]

Just go for void staff and suppress everything around you at this point

[kind jay]

death is the best cc

[round jay]

What

[rich rose]

For CC Surge I prefer something other than crit. I'm not their to lead dmg

[fierce sinew]

you realize why this is unobtainable

[rich rose]

I have much higher level Surge staffs but this is my go to CC

[fierce sinew]

it does literally nothing

[round jay]

Flurry then, if you want to stun them faster

[fierce sinew]

you would mald if you got it

[round jay]

In an early version maybe dodges were actually strong and then it would make sense

[fierce sinew]

oh, the ds one would do virtually nothing rather than literally nothing

you can tell they were just stingier with dodges in general in an earlier build of the game

[round jay]

Like some true dodge but you can only dodge 3 time and you have to wait before gaining "dodge charges" again

[orchid shadow]

Which ones are groaners in the gym? These ones?

[cyan notch]

yea those guys

200hp dudes

[ornate hamlet]

'ate bot

[rich rose]

Well, I did change it because I can handle Unarmored with a sword

[round jay]

[ornate hamlet]

x5

[orchid shadow]

They don't really play the same "supression" animation as the shooters. These guys do a really quick startle and flinch, while the other rifle guys actually play a little running animation

[fierce sinew]

groaners do the thing where they put their hands up and sort of crouch and look around

[orchid shadow]

Hmm.. been killing them for a few minutes, they don't really look surpressed. The animation is realllly short.

Like, blink and you'll miss it short.

[fierce sinew]

the thing with terrifying barrage from what I understand (pygex or tinycrab can chime in with the actual interaction) is multiple instances of suppression tend to override each other

and if it's on a ranged weapon that comes with any suppression on just shooting near fellas that can just cancel your terrifying proc

and you'll get basically nothing

it'll by like you just shot near them

[orchid shadow]

I'm testing with Surge and T3 Barrage.

[fierce sinew]

spawn a bunch of them spread out, you might be able to see the full proc on the ones on the edge of the range

[orchid shadow]

Okay, I saw one do a little mini run. Although definitely less pronounce than the shooter animation.

[fierce sinew]

I don't know if there's any way in with the creature spawned to replicate vertical geometry but the first objective of the chasm logistratum assassination mission is a place you can see it fairly consistently if you look

it's definitely less than shooters though

[orchid shadow]

Most of the time it looks like a really quick crouch, and then they're back up

[rapid bear]

Nice. I'll give it a shot in a couple of runs.

[fierce sinew]

yeah, working correctly is for sure the exception rather than the rule. One of the reasons that blessing is just bad

[north cradle]

Should I buy?

[forest coral]

yep

make sure to slap no respite over scattershot

and then you'll have a decent shottie

make sure u get flak damage in there as well

[north cradle]

Dope

[rapid bear]

Oh snap. That was the second upgrade I was hoping for!

What should I drop? Groaners/Pox for Maniac?

Generally want to double-push in quick succession, if you're not on a surge staff.

Surge just infini-pushes them, so makes it pretty easy-mode for your team. 😃

Small amount is fine on surge. You can almost feather it against bursters, your damage will just be pretty bad.

But once they're far enough away, you can charge longer for a longer push, and then BB.

[forest coral]

if you really want better control, use trauma

issue with surge is it has a cap on how many things u can stun at any given time

[glossy hazel]

Rate the drip

[forest coral]

https://tenor.com/view/askeladd-gif-19509516

u look like ur about to raid some coastal villages

[forest coral]

Trauma also does very high damage against bursters so you can pop them reliably, has no cleave cap in its aoe and can actually kill hordes

[glossy hazel]

They really are withholding some sweet looking shit

[forest coral]

just gotta learn how to aim it

is that all datamined

[glossy hazel]

All ingame, accessed through a mod

[forest coral]

that coat looks cool

[glossy hazel]

Really digging this one

Pink hat

[forest coral]

pink hat

is there any headwear that doesnt give u a bowl cut

[glossy hazel]

This actually could match the clown pants

[shadow wigeon]

It's not better, it's different. Trauma has no effect on mutants, it scatters targets whereas surge stun locks them for easy killing.

Trauma is area cc, surge is stun locking.

[forest coral]

I just find surge getting worse the higher the difficulty and modifier

then again its a staff that relies more on the team to capitalize on the stuns

[shadow wigeon]

yeah, I prefer it over trauma by a long shot, especially on high difficulty

you can make the game pretty easy with it

So I think it comes more down to how you want to play, and understand the strengths and limitations of each

[shadow wigeon]

Dang, these all seem... new?

[cyan notch]

id pick trauma any day over surge

way more self sufficient

[glossy hazel]

Yea, finding some pretty sweet recolors of stuff we already have too

[shadow wigeon]

I just play style then because I'm the other way. Surge/Deflector is my clutch carry build

[forest coral]

My main issue with surge is it does poorly in mixed horde scenario unless entire team knows how to reposition for funnels

[shadow wigeon]

Goddam

[kind jay]

yessss

[shadow wigeon]

I find it the opposite... surge lets you pick out the priority targets

[forest coral]

i have seen a few psykers make it work well in gauntlet so im not saying its bad tho

wat

since when could u control the arc in a mixed horde

[fierce sinew]

one of the problems with surge is specifically your inability to choose the targets

[shadow wigeon]

elites are tall, and faster

[forest coral]

are we playing the same game here

[fierce sinew]

I read shit here that makes me wonder this on a daily basis

[glossy hazel]

This chestpiece would look better on the ladies I guess

Looks cyberpunk-ish

[forest coral]

i like this

well at least it gives a chest that makes sense on female characters

or can justify why you suddenly turned into a male torso

[shadow wigeon]

When an elite is at the front of the crowd, or near an ally, they are targetable.
You can see what you're targeting with surge, and it's usually elites or a pack of elites that break away that are a big threat - or of course mtuie, or surprise dog

which is what surge excels that

[glossy hazel]

Damn, that chest piece would look pretty sweet but then you can see the vomit sludge we got on the pants with it

I've never seen anyone with that ugly ass cosmetic

[idle bay]

No news-bulletin or tweets this week. Strange....

[shadow wigeon]

You can see your first target, and you're usually catching packs around that target anyway. You do have target control over surge.

Technically you can see all your targets, so if you're quick and you get a bad pull you can redo it

[forest coral]

individual scattered packs, sure

I think we are talking more about horde+ elite mix which is standard for hi int gauntlet

[shadow wigeon]

Yes im talking about that as well

[glossy hazel]

Reminds me of those tentacle face things from that Skyrim DLC with Hermamora

[shadow wigeon]

Surge is my top choice for shock hi

Especially because of all the muties/dogs/specials

[forest coral]

I like those pants

oh ye, mindflayers

[shadow wigeon]

Don't fire surge randomly, make sure you have the right target if it's important.

[forest coral]

Hmmm i'll test out what you said sometime i guess

not very convinced

[glossy hazel]

That's all the stuff I could find for Psyker, moving on to Zealot

[shadow wigeon]

I don't use the lock effect very often, but sometimes you do need to notice you've got the wrong pull

It's very subtle but you get used it - on dark maps obviously it's very easy to see

[shadow wigeon]

You're not picking them out of a crowd like Trauma, but with surge you're concerned with threats, not damage, so use it for zoning, picking targets that have come to the front of the crowd (which elites all end up doing), and then anything - including hordes - that are in a bad spot, like snuck up behind someone.
While the lightning is releasing I'm looking all around, marking targets etc. You can be way more battlefield aware with surge, while in the middle of fighting and stun locking.

[cyan notch]

i dont buy that be more battlefield aware part

u can do the same shit with anything

[shadow wigeon]

You can't look behind you while stun locking

[shadow wigeon]

You can literally do that with nothing else.

[cyan notch]

???

[forest coral]

I dunno man, what you said here i can literally just do with trauma more effectively and without a target cap. The one advantage ill take for surge over it is surge will ping multiple spread out targets at once to its cap regardless where you aim

[shadow wigeon]

You can't look behind you while you attack somethign in front of you with other weapons.

[cyan notch]

u can look around using anything else though its not some revolutionary surge benefit

[forest coral]

and i can also stagger everything around the explosion+ the intended and unintended target

and still clear chaffe at the same time

Ill agree about muties

but thats about it

[shadow wigeon]

Mutues, dogs, I don't like the stagger personally, sometimes it works, sometimes its really annoying.

[cyan notch]

you can though just fire then look around cuz trauma and void have instant cast time

[shadow wigeon]

And you can really merc anything with armor.

[cyan notch]

its just because surge has a garbage cast time

[forest coral]

trauma gives you breathing space from the explosion and can just be peril quelled efficiently between each .6 second casts

[shadow wigeon]

"cast time" is "stun lock time" here

[formal ridge]

is there a particular build I can make with this, max charge/resistance

[forest coral]

surge sort of locks you as well as u zap

[shadow wigeon]

Kinda... but you're mobile, it's never been an issue.

You can free look and move while you stun

[cyan notch]

trauma or void also stun lock

[shadow wigeon]

No, they dont, they juggle

[formal ridge]

i might put focused channel on this (edit, just did)

[shadow wigeon]

that's not what stun lock is

[cyan notch]

oh ok my bad

[forest coral]

I mean they arent exactly fighting back or damaging ur team with trauma ccing tho

its basically a stun lock

[formal ridge]

it absolutely sucks to get hit when trying to cast trauma

cause you know you need that stagger

[cyan notch]

No, They Don't, They Juggle, That's Not What Stun Lock Is

also in a mixed horde even if u manage to stun elites that come forward so what now the rest of the horde is gonna run past them now u have to deal with them cuz theyre now in front of your elites that u stunned

[forest coral]

it works, just not necessary

but def have it if u like the comfort

[formal ridge]

I even feel warp flurry is not necessry but since the staff has the stats/blessing im tryin it

[forest coral]

oh dont give up flurry

its by far the best thing u can put on the trauma

itll let you turn the weapon into a consistent horde gibber

[formal ridge]

I dont agree based on my playstyle but Im willing to try this

[forest coral]

with how fast u charge up

[formal ridge]

i wont argue

its already got a fast 1.3s cast; surge is 2s

[shadow wigeon]

If that was the scenario, and it was that close to you... yeah that's fine. You just worry about the threats, switch targets, change on the fly. You can always find the highest threat target with surge, except gunners hidden in mobs.

Just a different play style. Stun locking and setting up big threats for weakspot murders is fantastic when your team is competent, which I find the majority of the time, especially on shock hi

Most people know you just gave them a free meal

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/50cent-smile-driving-oh-well-im-out-gif-5135974

[wet belfry]

Its better to kill them then stun them.

[cyan notch]

idk maybe his pub teammates are god tier

[wet belfry]

While i do agree surge staff is good you already seem equipped with the wrong mentality.

[forest coral]

Meanwhile me playing with lazor rages at me if i use a surge lol

[shadow wigeon]

There are many situations you cant kill all the targets on screen dude. That's a silly thing to say.

[wet belfry]

Atleast begin killing a few of them

[shadow wigeon]

If you've got 4 muties in a horde on shock hih that's not helpful.

[wet belfry]

Dont make your teammates have to pull your weight

[shadow wigeon]

eye roll

[wet belfry]

Deimos will 1 tap them

A shredder will kill two with one magazine

[shadow wigeon]

I didn't know that thank you for this information you've changed the whole game.

[restive slate]

Healing at the apothecarion will give you full health

[cyan notch]

if mutants are coming through a horde theyll knock em down for you

[shadow wigeon]

what the fuck that's what that does

[wet belfry]

There are ways to deal with threats without becoming a stun turret relitant on your team for carry.

[restive slate]

Accepting a mission will put you in a game

[cyan notch]

also surging muties isnt that great sometimes

[shadow wigeon]

We figured that one out earlier in chat

[restive slate]

Ah damn I'm late

[formal ridge]

I can get 12 casts off in a row with this

not that its the optimal cast but its the limit

[cyan notch]

you gotta constantly keep surging them else theyll just recover and charge instantly again

[formal ridge]

I guess sometimes I need 12 casts if theres mobs everywhere

[cyan notch]

and usually people are expecting to dodge them and hitting them in their recovery animation

[shadow wigeon]

No man, if you have surge on your team you can actually adapt. I know that sounds crazy

But theres more than one way to play the game

and plenty of shock high teams know how to work with surge

[restive slate]

I had psykers spam staggering Bursters such that I miss my shots that would kill them lol

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah for instance stunning a burster is really where you have to learn subteltly

you can take him out forever, but it's not useful often

[cyan notch]

i never said anything about anything sounding crazy or that theres only 1 way to play the game i think thats your stuff

[restive slate]

I try to lmb after surging a burster

[cyan notch]

i just said also surging muties isnt that great sometimes

[shadow wigeon]

You just said what people expect to do, and that's not the case. People change strategies based on loadouts. It is what you just said.

[shadow wigeon]

If you've got 5 minutes to kill, it's a 100% strat

[formal ridge]

12 casts in a row is like, a lot... which means crit is more likely to happen... which means probably warp nexus or soulblaze

[cyan notch]

nah i dont think so i think thats your imagination

[wet belfry]

If a surge user denys guaranteed mutant kills with a surge i will be irritated rather then happy.

[restive slate]

Another reason why I get the mod to see what ranged weapons my team is bringing

[restive slate]

If I don't, I'll just Ult bb

[shadow wigeon]

Surge sets up easy mutant kills. You stun them whereever it's convenient to kill.

[wet belfry]

Its can also become a case where the staff begins bottlenecking the specials together in big packs.

[restive slate]

Plasma gunners breathes heavily

[wet belfry]

So once the stun no longer is active a bigger special group has gathered together.

[formal ridge]

I just played a game with surge, I stunned a mutie and my three teammates rushed it an meleed it lol

before i could get there

[restive slate]

Saves some ammo I guess

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah man you should totally be setting things up like that. Always think about zoning with surge.

[formal ridge]

its like you are serving a dinner party

unless its flak, then you eat

[cyan notch]

yeah! its awesome!

you get Battlefield Awareness™️

[rapid bear]

Speaking of, best perks for a surge?

I'm stuck with either unyielding or groaners/pox. 😕

But need to replace one.

Unyielding at least I do a chunk of damage, so should probably nuke pox.

[shadow wigeon]

These days I use +maniac
You may as well keep unyielding for LMB

[rapid bear]

Yeah, Maniac seems like the right choice.

[restive slate]

Unarmoured I heard is decent as Surge is good vs armoured

[forest coral]

wouldn’t u use flak tho

[restive slate]

If you're not using Illisi to clear hordes that is

[shadow wigeon]

I switched off it because I found it overkill

[forest coral]

Since it actually does decent damage to flak targets

[restive slate]

I find the flak damage sufficient enough

[forest coral]

[restive slate]

Oh no it's cute...

Burn it with fire

[forest coral]

No u

[cyan notch]

unarmoured pretty mid

[restive slate]

Nani?!

[cyan notch]

25% of 2 damage is like 0

[restive slate]

I deal with mobs with Illisi anyways haha

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah there's no valuable unarmored targets

[restive slate]

Could put in crit chance to maximize that, especially with Crit blessing

[formal ridge]

if you can put 1 perk on a trauma, which

unarmoured?

[shadow wigeon]

Because the crit bonus varies, it depends on what you think you're weak to, which is why I went maniac in the end.

But the crit bonus to maniacs is 50%, and 100% to unarmored/infested, so you are getting some random big hits.

Personally I'd rather have consistent damage vs the priority targets

[formal ridge]

only point of unarmoured on surge is to kill dreg shooters faster but if you have cover you can take your time anyway

[restive slate]

Fair point

[cyan notch]

i just stun once then left click

since left click does 4000 times more damage

[restive slate]

And less time to cast than bb

[formal ridge]

im going unarmoured cause I keep talking about and my sword has flak

[primal plume]

You can press brain burst key and it will instantly swap

[kind jay]

melee too

[crude cape]

when im able to find a slaughterer 3 or 4, is this a decent illy?

no deflector, which i do like, but i can rock without it too

[kind jay]

it's good

[ornate hamlet]

A bit meme, but the stats are nice

[crude cape]

oh, whats meme about it

[ornate hamlet]

Bloodthirsty

[crude cape]

is bloodthirsty bad? i thought it was a decent 2nd dmg option outside of deflector

[ornate hamlet]

Slaughterer carries the damage enough tho

[kind jay]

blood is fine

it's great on illy

[uneven drift]

Bloodthirsty just 1 use now. Not 5 sec like was before. Compared to +power it's just not good.

[crude cape]

figured it paired nicely with 10% crit dmg too, and the last one i rolled flak dmg figuring that probably had my most breakpoints that come into play most often, but can reroll it to whatever

[uneven drift]

Crit/weakspot dmg most trash perk you can get.

Like, you hit 100 as normal hit and 120 for crit/weakspot. Bonus dmg applies to 20dmg difference and not to whole value.

[crude cape]

so what should it have been? 100% crit with crit dmg seems nice when i can kill a grunt, back dodge, empower, and hit a big boy

[ornate hamlet]

Maniac and flak is the popular choice because of how many enemies fulfill those

And illisi also lacks both

[crude cape]

the one i rerolled was i think 20% unyielding

t3

figured crit dmg, considering bloodthirsty, was better

maybe i was wrong

[uneven drift]

Crit/weakspot dmg are bad, never take it.
For illisi you want maniak/flak usually and slaughterer + blessing on your choice. Usually it's a deflector/unstable power/exocist may be. Bloodthirsty was fine when it give 5 second of crits, now it's just next attack which isn't good compared to other options.

Without +crit dmg

With crit dmg.

Whoopping 10-20 dmg boost.

[crude cape]

damn, alright ill keep rolling

[kind jay]

i mean you can still use that one until you get a replacement

[crude cape]

what about my best deimos, decent at least? i think its better than the Illy relatively, it feels good. +25% flak dmg perk would be nice, but got stuck with stamina. Although not terrible bc i dont run stamina curios

[uneven drift]

While +infested gives you +40-70 dmg in this case. Consider stacks of slaughter and you get much more from +25% armor type dmg.

[kind jay]

it's still going to melt literally everything

[uneven drift]

Seems fine. Can swap deflector for t4 unstable power to enable h2 funny muties oneshots(which i'm not a big fan of) or just leave as it is. With t3 slaughterer you will clear hordes with lights just fine.

[wooden sentinel]

Looking for folks willing to help me with Psykers "Head Honcho" penance, will OFC trade and help others get it too, or any other penance for the matter.

[vestal raven]

hadron blessed me this time

[cyan notch]

what is head honcho

[cold geode]

new name for the monster penance on psyker

[cyan notch]

oh lol

[uneven drift]

Wait what?

[wooden sentinel]

ooh, so it WAS called Malleus Monstronum, I didn't imagine things

[ionic frost]

and people on Reddit still call Warp Nexus, Harnessing the warp...

[vestal raven]

L

[ionic frost]

Would you guys keep Carapace for crushers (that I normally BB,) or Unyielding for Assassination boss/bulwarks?

I'm thinking Unyielding would be more useful...

[vestal raven]

keep unyielding and roll maniac

[ionic frost]

ya

[vestal raven]

destroy those mutants

[ionic frost]

I was going maniac =)

Carapace would be useful if it didn't stunlock you...

[shadow wigeon]

If the crusher's reasonable alone it's fine, but it can be pretty frustrating if theyre not

[ionic frost]

Yeah, If the crusher's alone they're never a problem...and I don't want to melee that 6-crusher-pack =D

[shadow wigeon]

@wooden sentinel Still need help with penance?

[wooden sentinel]

@shadow wigeon yup, there's two of us and we're starting in 5 minutes or so

[echo onyx]

@wooden sentinel need a fourth one?

[wooden sentinel]

sure

come to https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1030392603029557308

[meager plinth]

Siblings, what would be a duelling sword you would gladly take along damnation missions? Which mark, perk n blessings?

[olive ember]

Well I wouldn’t take a dueling sword to Damnation

Might as well bring a knife

[kind jay]

Deimos Mk 69 Dueling Sword obviously

[meager plinth]

[kind jay]

does dueling get slaughterer?

if so, that.

[ionic frost]

nope

Mk II is the worst due to it's light attacks

[kind jay]

holy crap you're right it doesn't

[olive ember]

I forget the blessings on the thing cuz it’s so bad

[ionic frost]

Maybe with the unobtainable blessing Agile... =D

[olive ember]

I thought maybe rampage but then apparently rampage only works on push attacks or some shit

So idk

[kind jay]

the best ones seem to be rampage, uncanny, and possibly riposte

[olive ember]

But yeah if you want to use a dueling sword in Damnation

Just use the deimos

[ionic frost]

^

You can crab walk faster than dueling sword can sprint. =)

Now if someone would make a crab walk mod so I can look in the direction I'm going... =D

[kind jay]

use perspective mod and just play 3rd person

like a true Chad

[ionic frost]

Oh thanks for reminding me to DL that one

just added 10 mods to my mod list 10 min ago

I think I have like 40 mods now? =D

They're like Pokemon!

[kind jay]

you may need dynamic cross hair mod too

it helps fix the reticle in 3rd view

[meager plinth]

Install every most that was ever made for DT

[kind jay]

it's kinda fun to zoom out and watch myself use illy heavy specials

[ionic frost]

Now could someone also make a mod that does a 360 when you swing? =)

I want to feel like a FFXIV character...

I sometimes mess it up doing it manually and take a melee hit...

[white cedar]

do gun-psyker use Wrack and Ruin?

[olive ember]

No

They use warp unleashed for the dmg buff

[white cedar]

what about first feat

what do they use

[ionic frost]

I have 61 mods now. =D

@white cedar I think quietitude so you can gen toughness as your peril goes down...you want a low warp resist Illisi ideally.

3 rubs for 100 peril is best.

[meager plinth]

Either that or Essence Harvest with the psyker communion and/or kinetic flayer

Essence harvest would be pretty interesting if it could stack charges

Especially with Quicken

[ionic frost]

Yeah...sadly 6% toughness/second is pretty lackluster...

If you could either have 2 going at once, or they queued up for longer duration, that'd be nice.

[meager plinth]

Having more at once would be ideal

[olive ember]

Quicken user dies of cringe

[round jay]

what do you even do with all those mods, I have barely 10

[ionic frost]

Yes, but if the durations added up I'd take that too...imagine the clutch potential with 3 minutes of toughness regen banked. =D

[olive ember]

My gun psyker build is the same as my surge staff psyker build so

3/1/2/1/3/3

[ionic frost]

EVERYTHING! MWAHAHAHAHA!

I haven't tested it with the mods I just added...I hope contracts overlay doesn't mess up the Tab screen scoreboard. =)

[white cedar]

I think I have around 27 mods

[ionic frost]

Hmmm, I wonder if Custom Resolutions mod would let you run this game on 3 monitors to get that sweet side view? =)

Now I want to play this game in VR...

Never thought about Darktide in VR before...

[meager plinth]

VR Darktide on a lights out mission with snipers

[olive ember]

Eh lights out is wte

Ventilation purge tho

[ionic frost]

Just downloaded 11 more mods... =)

I actually like light's out and ventilation purge now

Stupid shooters can't see me until they have an axe in their skull!

Or are covered in fire!

It helps to know all the maps...

Yay, 73 mods

[ionic frost]

https://tenor.com/view/gotta-catch-em-all-gif-5662253

[meager plinth]

Nav got that plugged in their veins atm

[twilit flicker]

What happens when he runs out of mods to download?

[meager plinth]

They become a modder

That's the pipeline

[twilit flicker]

Oh, g-good! ... I thought you were going to say withdrawal followed by an inevitable death. Whew.

Now I want him to download more, go Navox!

https://tenor.com/view/plusle-minun-cheer-dp161-gif-25271349

[round jay]

can surge work with special attack?

[lethal folio]

It doesn't do anything on the bonk.

[meager plinth]

It just creates a second non-crit projectile briefly after the initial one

[round jay]

yep, but not with special attack so?

[split oxide]

Wait I thought WarpResist was: "will I blow myself up if I reach 101%".
You're making it sound like: "reduce Peril gain per activation."

[round jay]

nope, it's the second option

[spice oar]

imagine if it did. dual bonk blazing meta

[meager plinth]

Let us at least imbue the bonk with warp

[west galleon]

I didnt ask this in here yet, but am i unreasonable for wanting the legacy penances "separated" from the new ones? They are laughably easy now and im somewhat miffed, feels somewhat unfair to invalidate the effort some people went through

Like people shouldnt have to get depression doing them, but just lowering thr requirements while keeping the name and achievement the same just feels bad

[ionic frost]

Finally charge through 6 Ogryn in a natural match, get drip. Then they change it to only need 4 Ogryn. I feel like they should be separate penances for different cosmetics.

Just add a rat on a hook for the 6 Ogryn one. =P

Extra rashuns.

[spice veldt]

their rationale was that the old penances were more of "trick" penances and the new ones would be nicer to newer players

[ionic frost]

Do new players feel "tricked" since they can't go topless? =P

[spice veldt]

with respect to Psyker, it was only out with a bang and pick n mix that got nerfed which I'm fine with since they were the more annoying ones

out with a bang straight up requiring you to troll your team or pick n mix requiring you to potentially be out of position to get 5 consecutive BB kills all to yourself

it's not as though the penances required some technical mastery or anything; or indicates some high level of skill, so I don't see it as necessarily invalidating efforts

more on the "why the fuck did they not do this earlier" side of things

[west galleon]

I get that, i still dont like that that the previous conditions are basically gone if you dont bother to read through the specific patchnotes.
I saw it as a sign of dedication (or someone who has 3 nice teammates) and now inflation has hit the drip too

A badge with this nerd really wasted time on these achievements would make me feel very validated for wasting my time

[near bluff]

i mean, they've been saying they were going to change them since like

shrine of the omnissiah?

[vestal raven]

flame sword is complete, is this ass

[near bluff]

we've always known they were gonna make them easier

i'm all for it since the penances were a pain to do, glad they got changed

[round jay]

I went topless, I tried a new cosmetic I just earned. Can’t go topless anymore. I feel scammed

[west galleon]

Yes. Thats not my point though.
Why is everyone missing my point

[near bluff]

what is your point then?

[copper raft]

"i suffered and it is not fair now people don't have to suffer"?

[kind jay]

im 50/50. i get your point, but im also in the boat of "people get their drip and theyre happy and thats all that really matters"

[copper raft]

that said as someone who got all penances, im glad they changed it

[west galleon]

Im getting a bit mad that people apparently see me asking for a separation of the old and new achievement (in name only while keeping the reward) as me trying to mess up new players' experience

Is everything black and white to you??

Like are you guys able to read?

Or do you see some catchphrases and go "aight, answer b is sufficient here"

[near bluff]

okay but

why?

they don't need the same achievement twice

[west galleon]

Because it invalidates the massive time waste that people put up with

[near bluff]

you already have the achievement

FS literally said they were looking at changing them way back, sinking time into it was peoples decision

[west galleon]

It was

So why is it so difficult to somehow distinguish the 2 requirements?

[near bluff]

because why should they?

its not necessary

its the same achievement

[west galleon]

Because it's literally the same achievement exactly

[austere estuary]

I get your bladefox, would be nice if there was a little badge for the time and effort we wasted

Not a big deal to me though

[west galleon]

I shouldnt be surprised that a yellow boy doesnt mind getting kicked in the ass

[austere estuary]

Would just be nice

[near bluff]

you have the badge

the nice cosmetic you got

[austere estuary]

That doesn’t indicate doing it pre-nerf though

[near bluff]

we knew the nerf was coming tho, the whole time

[austere estuary]

And?

[west galleon]

Like talking to a wall...

[near bluff]

doing it before hand doesn't make it different, you just chose to do it earlier

[austere estuary]

What

[near bluff]

the achievement is still the same

[austere estuary]

Alright man you do you

[west galleon]

Its not about having a different achievement you dense beautiful person

Jeeeeez

[near bluff]

but thats what you are asking for

is them to make a 2nd version of it

[west galleon]

No?

[austere estuary]

It’s not but okay

[west galleon]

Im asking for a separation in name only

[near bluff]

ye thats a seperate achievement

you are literally asking them to add a redundant title

[cedar cove]

Look on Steam: the achievement will have the date and time you competed it. There's your badge of honour, bragging rights, attention, recognition, etc.

[west galleon]

How am i supposed to brag about something if they cant see the previous requirements

[cedar cove]

Right there for everybody on your friendlist to see and admire.

[west galleon]

Ya'll are some dense mfers

[austere estuary]

Oh man

[cedar cove]

And you can use snipping tool to cut-paste it, dated, to any chat you wanna flex in.

[near bluff]

by just

telling them?

[austere estuary]

It’s definitely being deliberately obtuse

[near bluff]

use your face words

[west galleon]

Like i am trying now?

Oooof

[ruby meadow]

you guys are super cringe, skelly is right. why do you care that you're a bigger "nerd" and "wasted" your time harder?

[west galleon]

Because i am?

[blissful mist]

in a co op game no less

[west galleon]

Why do anything

[austere estuary]

Have you not played games before?

[near bluff]

because game fun

[ruby meadow]

you're not man, people had these penances/borders way before you got them

should they have a badge saying theyre better than you?

[cyan notch]

people did the 20 enemies pushed off before they nerfed it i dont see them bragging about it

[west galleon]

Yes

[austere estuary]

Like this is a pretty regular thing in games where time spent doing obtuse tasks is recognised

[ruby meadow]

yikes

[cedar cove]

Steam even still displays the old requirement. Your accomplishment is preserved.

[near bluff]

ye, you already have the penance recognising it

[ruby meadow]

this

[austere estuary]

Mounts and titles etc in mmos that are only available pre nerf etc

[west galleon]

Oh sorry mr. Zen, i didnt know that your worldly view was a requirement to enjoy this game

[west galleon]

Best example, scarab lord in wow

[austere estuary]

Pretending that’s not a thing people take joy in is just weird

Just because you don’t

Personally it’s not a big deal for me but I do get it

[ruby meadow]

you guys are hyper focused on something that is irrelevant

[blissful mist]

But...they didn't take away your penance shirt.

You still have it

[ruby meadow]

you have the cosmetic and the achievement done

[austere estuary]

“Not a big deal for me” -> “ You guys are hyper focused!”

[cedar cove]

Bladefox won't shut up about it he's so butthurt. Dude needs to chill and move on with his shiny.

[austere estuary]

Alright man

[near bluff]

ye blade has swapped chat to here after everyone in gen chat disagreed with him

[west galleon]

Yea i did

[ruby meadow]

LOL

[south zephyr]

how's this look for illisi/shredder psyker?

[ruby meadow]

i like #3 on the 5th column, the random brainbursts actually are very nice

[vestal raven]

and use ab

if u have pinning fire

[austere estuary]

I can’t tear myself away from 6 warp charges

Especially after they double buffed it

More damage and easier to maintain

[near bluff]

6 charges is fun, but i like fire

just wish they toned down the sfx

[austere estuary]

I wish it was a bit better

[near bluff]

if it was less blinding i think that'd help

[west galleon]

Egh, this is most unfortunate, sorry to bother you, didnt know people didnt give a shit

[ruby meadow]

the patch notes said they fixed the soulblaze visuals, but they didnt 🥲

[austere estuary]

The cap of 4 when you’re trading off damage on said fire by taking it

[near bluff]

[austere estuary]

Just feels a bit ehhh

[cyan notch]

yea i dont notice anything different with the flame effects

[near bluff]

i like it for just, propagation

[rich rose]

It looks like you should just play a zealot? (cough cough) Why would you setup feats for melee?

[near bluff]

or wait, is 6 stacks the same tier as head popping doing fire or stacks doing fire?

[vestal raven]

wildfire is good since anything that is tagged with it, is another 10% chance for a warp change

[austere estuary]

Though I did finally find something about quickening I like, which is using it on gun psyker for when I never want to actually cast BB but do want to have 6 warp charges

[ruby meadow]

head popping doing fire is column 3 i think

*2

[near bluff]

i need to play psyker more, i basically only play it for a stupid laspistol build i have

[spice veldt]

cuz Psyker melee is good

[austere estuary]

Las pistol is surprisingly fun

[ruby meadow]

the staves still feel lukewarm to me

ive succumbed to autopistol

[spice veldt]

I too long for the touch of a burst DPS ranged weapon

[austere estuary]

Trauma with good stats and blessings can feel OP in terms of team impact but shredder pistol just evaporating enemies is great fun

[near bluff]

i like the force push on it, and its just a nifty gun for closing the distance if i'm running melee main on my psyker

[austere estuary]

The push to maintain peril while not swapping is lovely

Esp with how strong unleashed is

[near bluff]

and the fact it staggers ragers is

[cedar cove]

Haha autopistol go brrrrrrrHEADPOPbrrrrrrrt

[austere estuary]

Blasting maulers in the chest and just knocking them to the floor and half a second later they’re dead is also fun

Though bulwark when shredder ing is sad

Bulwarks and crushers in a horde always make me wish I was using trauma

[south zephyr]

so 6 stacks not worth?

[austere estuary]

V worth imo

[spice veldt]

depends on how much you value +8% more damage and the other feats you run

[austere estuary]

^

[spice veldt]

if you run something like inner tranq/quicken/ascendant blaze, it'll definitively be worth it

[austere estuary]

Inner

Tranq with flurry and 6 charges is crazy fun

Casting for days

[spice veldt]

I don't run either of those and picking warp battery pragmatically means giving up psykinetic aura on my lvl 15, so I personally don't run battery

[austere estuary]

Though I’d take barrage over quicken for that to extend the flurry windows

Aura is awfully good

[prisma condor]

Every Melk shop for psyker so far

Here, just for you

[austere estuary]

[spice veldt]

aura is best boy

woohoo

[rare furnace]

Are we getting anything today

[south zephyr]

so head pop fire is at 10

[cyan notch]

nomegalul

[south zephyr]

will give this a go and see how it does

using illisi and PF shredder

[river sand]

btw anyone did some testing buffed warp absorbtion vs quietude

[kind jay]

yeah. my conclusion is that everytime i use WA, i miss quiet. and everytime i use quiet, i miss WA

times are tough

i found wa to be absurdly strong if youre using the right weapon, but wont let you get toughness in a pinch if everything is dead

[copper raft]

he should get the beta helmet but instead for legacy achievements

sorry i couldnt help myself

[west galleon]

Would be fine with me, idk why you guys are so weird about this

Would be the same shit except one thing saying "did the old one"
But i guess im the odd one out for thinking this ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper raft]

if it was a cool cosmetic that i really wanted but i started playing the game too late, i'd be bummed

that's why i don't really agree with you personally

i was kinda "eh" by the beta helms but fortunately they're not something i'd lose sleep over (same with portraits)

[west galleon]

Lmao ok i give up

Im not saying people shouldnt get the reward, you people are too much and i dont want to be banned for being verbally abusive so... its all good i guess

Just please, reading comprehension... its important to your life

[cyan notch]

its important to your life