psyker-class

[olive ember]

its like

if you are at low peril your crit chance is low, if you are at high peril you won't be able to spam trauma because its like 30 peril per fucking charge

anyone whose put more than "haha numbers go brrr" can poke holes

anyways time to sleep

surge on surge staff would be cool for a cc stick I guess lmao, tho Ik multiple people here are coping and thinking that blazing spirit on the surge staff would be good

wow I can burn a whole 5 enemies for 4 stacks of soulblaze every time I crit looks over at the infinite cleave of purge staff, flamer, fire shotgun

[safe crystal]

Thats specifically the crit damage trauma has. You're free to prove me wrong if you'd like, i used a 79 damage stat staff against a reaper, landing 417 on a non-crit and 480 on a crit. Surge on trauma RMB isnt that impactful either, mostly because whatever you hit is probably already dead, or would've survived 2 trauma RMB's anyway. Relying on crits would require you to run surge and nexus to have a decent crit chance, and a 5% crit chance perk, so you lose out on flurry and an actual base 25% damage boost.

The second blast is also NOT a critical hit, so you get one crit one regular cast

If surge worked, that is

[meager plinth]

If you get a crit you would get a higher starting dps but you would lose quickly to flurry's fast af charge time

And that is if you get a crit

[spice veldt]

trauma has a 1.15x crit multiplier on the RMB, so +400% crit damage would make it do 1.75x crit damage instead. Multiply that with a crit chance of 25% (20% from nexus and 5% from the perk) and you get 18.75% more damage on average

I think that math should be correct?

[meager plinth]

+5% base crit chance

[spice veldt]

yeah I was remarking on the additional damage you'd get from running nexus, a crit perk, and a +400% crit damage bonus ignoring base stats

hmm I think I need to calculate the bass bonus from crits first and then do the whole shebang and subtract

damn I'm too tired to figure out if it's a relative or flat increase

it's like a 20% ish damage increase on average if you stack crit chance and +400% crit damage on trauma

5% crit chance and 1.15x crit dmg gives you 0.75% more damage on average (0.05 * 0.15 = 0.0075)
30% crit chance and 1.75x crit dmg gives you 22.5% more damage on average
subtract those two and +25% crit chance with +400% crit dmg gives 21.75% more base damage on average.
and if we calculate the relative increase, it would be 21.5% more damage on average?

[static agate]

Which perks are best for purgatus?

I have 20% against maniacs and 20% against unyielding currently

[gloomy yarrow]

Warp nexus, warp flurry, terrifying barrage (is niche tho)

Oh perks

[static agate]

Got Warp nexus and Terrifying barrage blessings currently on it

Si, le perks

[gloomy yarrow]

I’d say replace unyielding with flak

It does enough damage to unarmored enemies so why not have more flak damage

[static agate]

True true

Done.

Thanks for help :)

What about crit chance, 5%? Since crits apply double dots

[gloomy yarrow]

Eh not super necessary but really nice, I’d rather have warp nexus

[static agate]

There is Warp Nexus & Terryfying barrage on it

I meant perk

5% crit chance vs 25% flak dmg

[gloomy yarrow]

Flak then

[static agate]

Alright

[dawn crypt]

Should a psyker ever use a gun? If so , which ones?

[tired estuary]

shredder b/c it has multiple power blessings so that + warp unleashed leads to funny dps numbers

[gloomy yarrow]

Shredder is good

[spice veldt]

the only problem with guns is really just going to be toughness generation

otherwise, guns are quite good

[tired estuary]

nah just pick quietude and stroke off the illisi harder

[gloomy yarrow]

Honestly it’s never been an issue for me unless I forget to use quietude

[shadow onyx]

you have a feat which generate thoughness over time by gaining warp charge right ?

[spice veldt]

feels like I Regen less toughness with guns than with trauma

I've run communion harvest with guns and it was unreliable

and 30% over 5 seconds is meh

[idle bay]

It's my favorite toughness regen. You don't really need any of 1st column regens really, passive regen from coherecy is enough 🙂 You are not upposed to get hit anyway

[spice veldt]

I'm allergic to cover and didn't really change my playstyle when I swapped to guns

a bit of a me issue

[split oxide]

Is deflection useful anymore?
They tend to get the first shot anyway ; then you reach cover.
You can breach/rush/advance - but it's not a common case.
Should we stop pretending to be jedi and focus on burying enemies?

A tool is only as useful as the GameDirector sets up opportunities for its use.

[cyan notch]

do u mean kinetic deflection or deflector

[split oxide]

FS deflector

[cyan notch]

i find it useful u can play more aggressively

block bullets for other teammates ressing

[split oxide]

Rare edge cases.. rather purg the area or PsyWrath the area.

[cyan notch]

youre not giving up a lot anyway since slaughterer is doing the heavy lifting

[spice veldt]

I can think of a bunch of situations where deflector would've saved me

mostly because I run into shooters with melee

[split oxide]

But consider Slaughter + Shred

[cyan notch]

i find deflector helps to not get your f cancelled too funnily enough

[spice veldt]

oh right

so fucking annoying to not have your ult work when you need it the most

[south canopy]

I'm almost there

[vestal raven]

rip burn stat

[cyan notch]

slaughterer is doing most of the work there

[split oxide]

but illisi benefits from Spamming the hits.. So shred and Slaughter will ramp up

[split oxide]

CloudRadius is RANGE.. you got that fine.
Burn is duration
Damage is useless (as long as it's above 50: the damage will be 16-17 for 30% cost..)

[cyan notch]

u dont need damage to be above 50

[spice veldt]

illisi also benefits from spamming the special which shred won't help with because it gets dropped like a baby unless you've got active Soulblaze stacks to proc shred

[split oxide]

I guess so .. It's not a priority is what I'm saying

[split oxide]

oh.. What's the alternative?

[flat moth]

Got this badboy

jusut need to find uncanny strike 4

[vestal raven]

add the soul blaze on crit ezzzzz

plus wildfire

[flat moth]

soulbazle?

huh

[split oxide]

Naaaah

[vestal raven]

who needs flame staff

[spice veldt]

I'd say that the choice of offensive blessings (besides slaughterer) on illisi are unstable power, bloodthirsty, or uncanny strike

unstable power being my personal choice

[vestal raven]

im going for a shred blaze spirit

[split oxide]

Soulblaze is wierd... suppose you're against:
: horde: they go down in 2-3 hits, how much damage will soulblaze do in that time
: ogrynclass: will they care about soulblaze.

[vestal raven]

but its fun

[split oxide]

Uncanny... : maybe
Unstable .. I want warpcharges. not peril.
Wouldn't exorcist be a better idea? (slash to quell, stave to charge .. infinite spamming .. probably difficult to keep changing ranges tho.)

[hybrid solstice]

literally just depends on what you're doing

if you just want to click on heads with the sword without managing peril you can go slaughterer and executor

[old field]

just get this beast any suggestion to make it work

[hybrid solstice]

MG IV...

it's so over

[old field]

XD

you mean overpower

[hybrid solstice]

i dont mean this

7/10power :^)

wait did you get that or is it in your shop

[old field]

should i put efficiencie on it ?

[vestal raven]

of course

[old field]

but those blessing look too pair well together

[hybrid solstice]

i would replace ghost and reroll the weak spot damage higher if that is what you are going for

[old field]

damage maniac or unarmord?

[hybrid solstice]

probably maniac

[split oxide]

Enemy gains 2-4 Stack(s) of Soulblaze on Critical Hit to a maximum of 10-12 Stack(s).
As a psyker, do you see yourself going melee with a creature:

• long enough to build up 10-12 stacks
• tough enough that it can take 10-12 stacks
  Psyker to Crusher: "let's toe-to-toe for 20 seconds without you one-shotting me"

[hybrid solstice]

and im not sure what actually complements deadly accurate, probably opening salvo or no respite or something

[hybrid solstice]

personally i don't, anything that can survive long enough to get that many stacks should be getting brainbursted instead

or just generally be getting hit with anything else

[safe crystal]

I would honestly change deadly accurate to opening salvo, and weakspot to UA or maniacs

[old field]

humm

[hybrid solstice]

why would he keep ghost

[old field]

differenet opinion

interresting

i take note

[safe crystal]

Critical weakspots, you rely on your 5% crit chance and also hitting a headshot for it to do anything

[split oxide]

which is why I think soulblaze damage should only be projectted to 4 stacks

[safe crystal]

If you dont crit, its a dead blessing

[hybrid solstice]

oh crit weakspot

fuck i cant read

yeah probably opening salvo or something then

[old field]

so i don t go for efficiencie but opening salvo

[hybrid solstice]

the infantry lasguns are already so efficient i dont know why you even considered that blessing

[old field]

because it s mk IV and it shoot pretty fast

i can also go for crit in the perk and infernus no?

[hybrid solstice]

breh...

[old field]

hummm

[uneven ocean]

so it last for 4 seconds?

[split oxide]

Waht is a "Chained Hit" re: Shred

[uneven ocean]

this is kinda worded poorly

[hybrid solstice]

every hit after the first i think?

not entirely sure

[hybrid solstice]

tbh im not sure what is up with the whacky numbers but the point is that to use the blessing you have to stop shooting to get the buff

[split oxide]

not a successful cleave then... probably not

[hybrid solstice]

ngl im spitballing on what exactly a chained hit is but a reasonable person would assume it should be self explanatory... but FS has a habit of making it not so simple

[old field]

so what do you think of this idea ?

[hybrid solstice]

i wouldnt use infernus on a semi automatic weapon

[old field]

why?

[split oxide]

my luck it's probably tick-damange from chain weapons

I'm thinking Deflector is a larp-trap.

• sure Paykers are squishy, but that's what makes it a trap

[hybrid solstice]

if it were automatic you could spray bullets and each of those bullets can crit and activate infernus, but that's not quite the case on a semi-auto

[old field]

really ?

[hybrid solstice]

unless the infantry guns have an insane crit chance i dont know about

[hybrid solstice]

yes it procs on any crit bullet

[old field]

it look like it crit a lot

on my test without modify anything

[safe crystal]

Any attack until you miss, stop attacking for a second, block, push or use your career skill

[hybrid solstice]

if you want to use it go ahead but if you ask me there are way better options for the infantry lasgun

im not trying to dictate your build for you

[old field]

that not my intention too just try to think all the way i can for this weapon

and consider all of them

not blocking my self on meta bullshit xD

[hybrid solstice]

you could also pair Headhunter with Deadly Accurate and reroll your weakspot damage to crit chance

if you want to build it for fishing for crit headshots on bigger enemies

[old field]

hmmm

[hybrid solstice]

this would be it

just an option to consider

[old field]

you right

don t have this one unfortunatly

[hybrid solstice]

ah okay

well choose what you think will be cool, i just strongly recommend not using the efficiency blessing, if nothing else

[old field]

thanks for your advice

[hybrid solstice]

np

[old field]

you know where i can search for hidden stat of weapon like crit stagger etc ... ?

[spice veldt]

you can see a table of damage values if you hit V and then Tab

[split oxide]

Finally after hundreds of hours:

[spice veldt]

but you won't get a simple number saying that "this number does 1.25x crit damage", so you'll have to open up a calculator and do that to figure out the bonus crit damage

some weapons have a finesse stat which does tell you the crit multiplier of a weapon

[split oxide]

Next week FatShark will probably release a patch where you can buy them.

[spice veldt]

i recall somebody who got bloodthirsty the day before the patch which nerfed it

[old field]

ok i come back because there is newws for every one say there is only 5 % crit for the classe and nothing about the weapon exept crit modifier

for example

i had download a mod that show me the stat i was looking for

and as we can see mg IV have a 5% crit in addition on 5% crit of the classe

[split oxide]

What's the crit chances for a ForceSword?

[old field]

witch one ?

[late yew]

what about laspistol?

[old field]

5% for all of them

[old field]

20% wtf xD

[late yew]

So what is name of the mod

[old field]

xD just killed a bussness

[split oxide]

Sigma-Minoris-33

[meager plinth]

Now do it all over again when they release 2 handed force swords

[split oxide]

translation: let us one-shot damnation ogryns
(currently with uncannystrike, warpunleased, 6-warpcharges, deimos can 3-shot a crusher)
https://youtu.be/G8Ggn55j30A?t=467

[meager plinth]

Already that psyker doesn't struggle against crushers

[split oxide]

the only thing that's as effective is chainaxe(cos of stagger)

[meager plinth]

As effective as what?

[split oxide]

toe to toe with crusher (while being restricted in a horde) - their overhead will one-shot you.
talking about deimos fs

[cyan portal]

Any fs vs a single crusher is trivial because you can push it over. It's when you're fighting 3 or 4 of them that matters, and animation locking yourself in that situation isn't a good plan.

[split oxide]

hmm
I know you can stagger, didn't know you could prone them

[cyan portal]

The second part, the directed push will knock them over unless they're in the stagger immune state.

[split oxide]

'stagger immune state': is that why I can't do it again for a 2-3 seconds after they get back up?

[cyan portal]

Vs multiple your best best is to push them all over repeatedly and hope your teammates do something useful

Yeah, they seem to be immune when knocked down and getting back up. I think once they're able to attack you can push them over again

[split oxide]

I thought it was a skill issue on my part :phew:

[meager plinth]

If you have a deimos you can just dodge away and brainburst too

[cyan portal]

I run illis, so plan is push them over and give them 2 charged heavies and repeat.

Or push bb push etc

[split oxide]

Wait what.. dodge/BB with deimos?

[meager plinth]

You can go away faster so you can brainburst safely

[cyan portal]

Yeah the best plan is to dodge away to safety. But if they're going to pound a teammate or you're really cornered it's good to butts them

[split oxide]

yeah - but that's with any FS right?

[spice veldt]

the deimos has a higher dodge distance than the other two

though it's usually fine to dodge crusher overheads with just BB

[split oxide]

daaammn

[spice veldt]

since the crusher overhead dodge timing seems quite lenient

[full bane]

The Deimos and Illisi outclass the Blaze by such a ridiculous margin

Makes me feel bad for it

[lunar hollow]

holy shit i love trauma staff now

first ever hi5 solo clutch with it

[split oxide]

I love deimos, but it sucks against hordes.

[full bane]

My man 🤜🏻🤛🏻

[spice veldt]

hell yeah speak that trauma praise right into my ear

[lunar hollow]

(ignore the fact it was probably because i was off loot goblining when all 3 of my teammates died)

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

even better

[full bane]

I’m more of an Illisi kind of guy

[spice veldt]

illisi requires less brainpower

which makes it superior

[kind jay]

trauma is the one that shoots lightning right? yeah that one's real good

[full bane]

I main Ogryn so of course I’d gravitate towards it

[spice veldt]

trauma is the explosion one

oh wait are you joshing me

[split oxide]

bait

[kind jay]

[full bane]

I played a heresy with a profane Illisi and I held my own very well

[lunar hollow]

trauma feels like its better at CC than surge is to me

stopping muties is a very double edge sword

because when im playing with a surge psyker im normally aiming ahead of the mutie where its about to run (ogryn box, thammer, etc) and it just makes it take longer for me to kill it

[split oxide]

I hate trauma... why is it good?
It always takes longer to target.

• the only use case is generating a near-person barrier of death.

[lunar hollow]

but this shit just knocks elites all over the place

[spice veldt]

trauma has a 1.3 charge time at 80% charge rate

which is faster than surge's 1.98 seconds at 80%

[lunar hollow]

warp flurry makes trauma feel so fuckin good

esp w/ inner tranq (though not having WU hurts)

[limpid cypress]

Trauma staff is just kinda boring, and that’s the only reason I don’t like using it. Why would I want to just use a little AOE circle when I could have a flamethrower

[spice veldt]

I love being out of position and using trauma to escape

[lunar hollow]

i genuinely cant stand purg

[spice veldt]

oops caught by ragers and elites in a corner

[lunar hollow]

the stagger on it is way too weak for it to feel 'good' to me

like ill think im safe trying to stagger some shooters out of firing

nope

[split oxide]

Trauma is good for manics running blindly at you.
Gunners, then you're SOL.

[lunar hollow]

toughness bar deleted

[spice veldt]

the extra range on trauma makes it more palatable for fighting shooters

and the stagger as well

[lunar hollow]

^

[full bane]

I’d love a psyker equivalent of the Coruscation Staff

[lunar hollow]

i find trauma has just enough range in most situations to work

[spice veldt]

trauma has a range of about 20 meters at the very center

yeah

[full bane]

I need the shotgun staff back

[lunar hollow]

and if it doesnt u have BB

[spice veldt]

the right distance to merk enemies and not get annihilated by ranged enemies

[limpid cypress]

Purg has so much horde control I find it so hard to top. The fact that the trauma staff is just kind of a jack of all trades makes it not as satisfying to me even if it is more balanced

[spice veldt]

i would not say it is balanced

[lunar hollow]

personally i run kinetic barrage for stuff thats gonna take too long to kill via other means or too far away

(that and it doesnt eat my charges)

[spice veldt]

I would prefer a nerf to it in cleave, peril generation, and/or charge time

I wouldn't mind 47% peril gen especially with the fast quell speeds nowadays

[limpid cypress]

Balanced in terms of its capabilities. Good single target, good horde control, good stagger. It’s less centralized

[spice veldt]

i suppose it can stagger single enemies

i wouldn't call that good single target

it has insane stagger and infinite cleave and that's all that matters

I initially brought it for the stagger against melee elites and realized that it's pretty decent against ranged enemies

in part because ranged enemies are usually clumped and because the outer area staggers them if sufficiently charged

[split oxide]

It's not a good argument:

• "skill issue"
• "don't you have bb"
• "it can range"
  When you have dregs-gunners and scab-stalkers, scab-gunners circling you it's tricker.
  They don't 'entrench' so much anymore.
  They scatter and walk/kite while firing.
  The 'charge time' you have is to balance the time you need to 'target' which you don't need with others.

[spice veldt]

most maps aren't that open and enemies are indeed clumped up at least at the beginning of engagements

if you can manage to be the most forward and be the one to initiate engagements, you are very likely to just kill groups of shooters right off the bat

[lunar hollow]

okay if you're being circled by shooters you're out of position

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/s3ltw4

that's basically a perfect scenario, but most ranged patrols walk in this clumped up formation

you can chunk half of them right from the get-go, and the outer area will stagger them allowing you to be in the open since their volleys are going to get interrupted half of the time; and you can just dodge-slide or sprint-slide to cover the rest

[full bane]

I use the trauma because I liked the Conflag from vermintide 2

[split oxide]

That's the "skill issue" argument.
ambushes happen.
damnation gamedirectors happen.
Even a nice cozy 15m room can have dregs pop out behind you.
I've seen shooters spawn 10 meters directly in my FOV.. "I was thinking ...sloppy .. or is my machine not rendering properly"

[spice veldt]

and the trauma has the ability to deal with that by staggering enemies

like on silo cluster's finale, when groups of shooters can spawn from the doors and drop down

the 16 meter diameters of stagger is going to buy time

[limpid cypress]

If stagger is the only thing that mattered, wouldn’t that make the surge staff op as hell? I feel like being able to stagger a mutant would have more psykers take it

[lunar hollow]

surge has a 5 target cap

trauma does not

[spice veldt]

stagger and infinite cleave in a circular area

[lunar hollow]

that and surge isnt like, real stagger from how i understand it

the second you stop firing theyre unstaggered

with trauma its basically as many vet nades as you could possibly want (and these ones do actual damage)

[kind jay]

surge can shock with the weapon stowed

i use it all the time to swap to illisi for patrols

[late yew]

Problem with trauma is how peril hungry it is

[lunar hollow]

idk

i just run inner tranq + warp battery and it feels fine once u get charges going

[spice veldt]

you can quell almost immediately after an action

[full bane]

Me when the trauma’s peril build up was nerfed

[lunar hollow]

once u start chunking big hordes you're essentially guaranteed to proc battle meditation

[split oxide]

yeah, it's good for 'set-piece' initial contacts.

• they're entrenched
• they are spawning.
• they are patrolling.
  All nicely clumped up.. then Ogryn scatters them

[spice veldt]

if they're scattered enough, then you can usually just run in with melee

[lunar hollow]

and if you run KB you dont lose charges on F, so its just a free 50% peril w/ all that warp resist (and free battle meditation if you're fighting a horde)

[spice veldt]

dense groups of enemies are usually the issue

and once again, the outer area has enough stagger to buy some time for you and your teammates

[grizzled iris]

@spice veldt I like how you start typing as soon as someone mentions anything negative about the Trauma staff xD

[spice veldt]

it's my favorite boy

[grizzled iris]

I know

[fresh steeple]

I almost feel like I should ask teammates at the start of missions to not shoot gunner clusters until I've finished an initial cast

but they'd never listen. Too trigger-happy

[split oxide]

going back to that imagery of 10x dreg gunners casually circling you and shooting.

[fresh steeple]

Why bother letting the Trauma psyker kill 10 gunners in a single shot when you could kill one and then spend the next 30 seconds trying to shoot the others behind cover?

[kind jay]

aggro them first. steal their joy

[spice veldt]

if you're literally surrounded on all sides, you're fucked anyways

well dodge-sliding works

and guns

[fresh steeple]

Doesn't work if they're too far away to have a good Trauma shot. Gotta get close enough that it doesn't simply explode in midair

[spice veldt]

but unless you're standing in the worst possible spot for a map

[limpid cypress]

I definitely don’t play this game in the most meta way, but I’d rather enjoy using a weapon just because it’s fun. Hence why I love the purgatus staff. Seeing an entire horde completely ablaze is always satisfying to me.

[split oxide]

I normally get there first and wait for vet to shout "get cover".
Ogryns however ... sigh

[spice veldt]

i just live with it since i dislike talking to teammates

I also hate psyker teammates who BB ranged enemies far ahead and prematurely aggro them

[lunar hollow]

the only thing i tell teammates is that i have rending shockwave

dont think it makes much of a difference but i try

[split oxide]

PsyWrath F does that too

[hollow current]

Teammates that figure out you have rending on the trauma makes for amazing synergy.

[fresh steeple]

I never shut up talking to teammates. But I think half of them either don't play with sound or mute voice chat, or simply don't care to listen to me

[limpid cypress]

I only talk to my teammates if I’m playing with irl friends lol

[fresh steeple]

I lost two different Damnation games this week in the final room because my teammates ignored the very simple edict of "don't start the last portion of the event and trigger spawns, we are not ready"

[limpid cypress]

Pings are sufficient enough for me

[hollow current]

I stick to the chat wheel. Wish there was a yes and no option in there.

[spice veldt]

mfers who start silo cluster's finale early before killing all ranged patrols

[fresh steeple]

had clawed a near hard-carry on Enclavum Baross where the team nearly wiped three minutes in before I clutched all of them, and then did that two more times, and we get to the end, we're alive and sorta in a position to be able to win, and BAM the one Vet runs over and starts the third data cluster when all four of us are standing in four different spots

[spice veldt]

psywrath aggros enemies, but why would you ever ult on ranged enemies ahead if you're not engaging them

[fresh steeple]

as I shouted "DON'T START IT"

[split oxide]

Pet peeves:

• camoexperts, but their kill-rate is rubbish
• shields, but they think their entire job is to sit there .... EVERY engagement.
• aggro DH .. but you say you're T5-rating

[fresh steeple]

bam, we died in 10 seconds

[lunar hollow]

to spawn more snipers

[spice veldt]

that ult spawning sniper report is anti-psyker propaganda

[split oxide]

remember the PickMix penance.

[hollow current]

Camo vets are the worst. Especially if you dip into Heresy for whatever reason.

[fresh steeple]

favorite conspiracy theory. just unfalsifiable enough to have purchase.

[lunar hollow]

its so fucking stupid im almost willing to believe it cuz fatshark

[limpid cypress]

I have yet to come across a camo vet, and I can only assume they’re just wannabe sweat lords

[spice veldt]

seems unusual to screw your team over for every ranged engagement if you don't even know where and how many ranged elites there are

and if you're close enough to spot them all, you're usually close enough to have a proper engagement with them (and presumably your team is close by as well)

[lunar hollow]

i love bio optic vets depending on the map cuz i just get to hit f and kinetic barrage all the loose shotgunners in a big open room to death

[split oxide]

I don't mind Camo.. but they HAVE to kill twice as fast since they're not dodging.
And WTF are they doing shooting horde? That's my F job.
He should be picking out elites and specialists.

[hollow current]

Camo vets in my experience usually have intense tunnel vision and no situational awareness. Occasionally some are alright but they're the exception and I still don't like them lol.

[split oxide]

CamoExpert to compensate for their helbore fetish..

[wet belfry]

Every class has their annoying players.

[spice veldt]

helbore is nice since it can actually dink crushers

[fresh steeple]

Surge psykers who use staves on hordes?

[wet belfry]

Most defintely

[fresh steeple]

/wrists every time I pair with one in Damnation

they drive me insane

[split oxide]

I soft-disagree.. I say you can watch a player.. and guess what his Main is.
I'm purging down this corridor .. and into the the cloud, I see this vet charge in with his PS.

[wet belfry]

“Im supporting guys, im a support class”

[fresh steeple]

and I usually lose games paired with them because they're doing 1/3 the damage of all the other guys

[spice veldt]

psykers who bring an illisi but don't use it

[limpid cypress]

What’s the negative zealot stereotype? I rarely even have zealots on my team

[fresh steeple]

especially with the new mod that shows post-30 levels

[wet belfry]

Rushing ahead no matter what.

[lunar hollow]

people will play with 1-2 knife zealots who run ahead and die and bitch about them

[wet belfry]

That is the bad zealot

[fresh steeple]

I see a Surge Psyker join at 30+2 and I start to sweat.

[limpid cypress]

That checks out I guess lol

[lunar hollow]

its the same thing with shield ogryns or tunnel vision zealots

[spice veldt]

the zealots I get are usually quite good, at least on NA west

[lunar hollow]

the negative psyker stereotype is just like

"i dont like surge staff"

[spice veldt]

I think I can only count on my hands the instance of zealots running ahead

[lunar hollow]

or "this psyker player was bad"

[wet belfry]

Ranged zealots are also really bad.

[spice veldt]

I'm usually the one running ahead

[wet belfry]

They basically play zealot to be a vet with high survivalibility.

[lunar hollow]

i would say most players on each class are at least decent in terms of quality

[fresh steeple]

Had one two days ago who inexplicably was running Chainsword with Surge. We ended the (unsuccessful) mission with myself and the other two at close to 250k damage output, and him at something like 80

[split oxide]

Impossible - Id say the opposite is true.

[fresh steeple]

it's one f the only times I've ever commented on someone's loadout after the game. "Btw, I hope you treat this suggestion well: You should run Illisi with Surge. You'll get a lot more damage output against Hordes."

Maybe he listened

[spice veldt]

illisi psykers whose melee damage don't exceed their ranged damage just seem insane to me

[split oxide]

I saw this psyker get penned in by gunners with a surge (we were all dead).
It was a matter of time before the gamedirector got bored and decided to end it with an elite horde

[late yew]

Knife users

[limpid cypress]

Bri’ish moment

[late yew]

Not ogryns

[wet belfry]

I wonder actually what constitutes a bad ogryn more then shields.

[late yew]

99% of ogryns are trash

[split oxide]

Mach5, into a demonhost

[late yew]

Just stupidity

[wet belfry]

Wasteing ammo with stubbers is a classic

[late yew]

overall stupidity

[limpid cypress]

But that’s not just an Ogryn thing. Basic lack of awareness plagues any class

[late yew]

Doing really dumb decisions

[fresh steeple]

I was so happy to meet a Knife Zealot yesterday who actually was really, really good

[late yew]

lies

You were gaslighted

[fresh steeple]

had something like +445 level and the 500 special mission completion thing. Actually played like a sane person

[late yew]

hypnotised

or blackmailed

[fresh steeple]

I run Knife on my own and felt satisfied knowing that I play similarly to him when I'm on my Zealot

he's, like, the first Knife Zealot I've met who wasn't a griefing jackass

[spice veldt]

i don't inherently mind knives since i can usually make up for the middling hordeclear

[hollow current]

Is there a mod that shows extra levels like Vermintide 2 had standard?

[fresh steeple]

but most of those sorts don't play Knives anymore because of the toughness nerf

I feel they've transitioned to Autogun or Shredder "ranged-only" Zealots who hoover up ammo

[split oxide]

knife zellies are insanely fast..

• 110% effective on evasion/kiting.
• liability on horde clear.
  The force-field bubble that protect them from getting killed, is the thing that prevents them from engaging effectively.

[limpid cypress]

Also, not 99% of Ogryn are bad. I don’t know how unlucky you got with your teammates, but I have only met a few truly stupid Ogryn. They were roleplaying walls (shield users)

[fresh steeple]

Knife+Flamer and Prayge that your teammates know how to take out gunners when you can't divebomb the backline

The worst Ogryns to me are like the worst Zealots: Always defaulting to ranged weapons for no apparent reason, even against melee-exclusive Hordes, but at the same time never actually targeting gunners when they do show up

[hollow current]

stubber ogyrns that never use melee and take immense health damage for no reason are kinda common.

[fresh steeple]

and then we're out of ammo a third of the way through the map even when one of the players isn't using ammo, and everyone is covered in swiss cheese bullet holes

[fresh steeple]

very common. Still bad.

[split oxide]

I don't see knife flamers for 2 reasons.

• flamer makes them slow down
• why slow down when you can outrun GTFO and let someone handle it
  EVERY(no exceptions) deathcam I've seen, is them engaging a horde with a knife.
  Thier rationalie is .. "dude we're mat farming"

[late yew]

Using knife to me just seems stupid

at all

[fresh steeple]

outrun GTFO and let someone handle it

^mark of a bad Knife Zealot

[late yew]

it is not a weapon for combat

[spice veldt]

seems like a player issue

knife + flamer is usually good enough for most maps from what I've seen as a teammate

[limpid cypress]

There are so many better options tho

[spice veldt]

as long as they can burn down groups of melee elites, i don't particularly mind

[fresh steeple]

Knife puts out perfectly good melee damage along with great movetech. It's not going to outdamage a Thrust hammer, but a Rending Knife can easily put out big damage on any elite and rip through gunner cores

[split oxide]

Their rationalie is .. "dude we're mat farming"

[limpid cypress]

Like, maybe a knife could be used, but there’s just better things to take

[spice veldt]

I also like knife zealots who pick up mats

they're very nice so I can just hold W guilt-free

[vestal raven]

mutant fucker 9000, one charge and im at 40 peril lmfao @feral verge

[long wharf]

when I play my zealot, I almost exclusively go knife+shredder

[fresh steeple]

my rationale is "knife is very fun and I'm going to kill things easily because I'm not a trogg-brain, and the fact that I'm also collecting your mats for you should be a bonus"

[long wharf]

the only time I can't manage a horde is if I get trapped into a corner on damnation

[fresh steeple]

I play this game to have fun. Knife is hella fun. If it were also bad at damage I wouldn't be having fun.

[long wharf]

but I also have a very good knife

[fresh steeple]

it's just less braindead now than it was a few months ago when you were also functionally invincible and abusing bleed glitches

[split oxide]

they run into every room, aggro and expect team to be already in position..
"skill issue, lololololol"

[long wharf]

it wasn't "bleed glitch abuse"

[fresh steeple]

Bad player

[long wharf]

those same bad players also play a psyker and try to BB the horde

[split oxide]

knife player

[limpid cypress]

The feel of a weapon is also very important to me, and a knife is just simply not as satisfying as a giant f-off hammer or chain sword

[long wharf]

and grab shield on ogryn and stand in the middle of a room with their shield planted

[spice veldt]

seems like a player issue to aggro early if they can't handle it

[fresh steeple]

Good Knife Zealot: wait at breakpoints for teammates, engage as a group, divebomb the backline and stragglers, and loop around to get mats when the situation is clear

[long wharf]

exactly this

[fresh steeple]

it's like saying that Surge Psykers are all bad players

they're not

BAD Surge Psykers are bad players

[spice veldt]

the knife may encourage that behavior, but that's not strictly the knife's fault

[long wharf]

knife zealot's job is to get into melee range of ranged enemies and stop them from shooting

[fresh steeple]

Surge psykers using their weapons properly are very useful. But if they're bringing out Surge against hordes and stragglers and not swinging melee, they're bad

[long wharf]

dancing around enemies with a knife zealot is a lot of fun

no other class does it as well

[fresh steeple]

a person who charges into a room out of coherency is simply a bad player. And I agree with this. Knife encourages this by making the player faster and giving them damage reduction quickly. But that doesn't mean you have to do it, or that you only do it with this weapon

[split oxide]

on paper, it makes perfect sense. In practice:

• shields who sit there doing nothing but Mouse5 ever effing encounter
• camoexperts who use it as a crutch when theres no cogitators
• knife zoomies in a diff part of the map, diff room, diff stage.

[spice veldt]

player issue

[fresh steeple]

had a newly 30 Ogryn who I think had just stepped into his first Damnation mission. Died four times by the end. Us other three had ~400 damage taken, and he was over 2000. Why? He kept charging ahead and getting himself swarmed and killed.

[split oxide]

Remember before AirLocks were invented, to force teams to group up?

• join PUG, speedrun
  And when the rest got to the next room, everthing was aggroed

[fresh steeple]

he didn't have a Knife. He was just a bad player. Who will hopefully evolve into a good player later.

[limpid cypress]

So long as someone has their other weapon fill the blanks their first weapon can’t deal with, I’m mostly okay with it. Bringing heavy single target melee is important for someone like me who likes using the purg staff.

[ionic sorrel]

Death is a learning experience or a broken record.

[spice veldt]

I also don't think that players can really run ahead that far

enemies usually stop your pace anyways

[fresh steeple]

that Ogryn kept Bull Rushing through them for no apparent reason

[spice veldt]

damn what a 300iq ogryn

if you move faster than bullets, they can't hurt you

simple as

[fresh steeple]

he was legit the worst Ogryn I think I've seen in a Damnation mission. We basically 3-manned the map.

[limpid cypress]

There’s still places where the whole team needs to gather before progressing, so rushing ahead does nothing

[spice veldt]

rushing ahead = all the kills are mine

that's my personal reason for doing it

[split oxide]

Before Airlocks, a rando would speedrun and leave a trail of aggro.
Don't tell me you don't remember speedruns.

[limpid cypress]

You’re still leaving your team out to dry though

[spice veldt]

they can always catch up unless they're lagging behind to fight something

[hollow current]

Early in the game when I mained Vet, my most mind boggling encounter with a random team was three guys who I assume were grouped. They would not cover me from melee and hid while I did the minigame on Chasm Logi. Then they said I should have had camo expert.

[fresh steeple]

Pretty sure Arco is being sarcastic

[spice veldt]

I'm not

that's my normal playstyle

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/daddys-home2-daddys-home2gifs-stop-it-stop-that-i-mean-it-gif-9694318

[spice veldt]

I pick up any mats along my way and fuck off ahead

[long wharf]

every player needs to have a single target weapon and a group/horde weapon

[fresh steeple]

nobody cares about number of scoreboard kills smh

[spice veldt]

i do

[fresh steeple]

well, you're a nobody. So my point stands.

[spice veldt]

if I don't double my teammate's damage, is it really a real game

[limpid cypress]

You’re flexing something literally no one else cares about

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/prince-harry-got-em-bam-gif-10655285

[lunar hollow]

if im not getting at least as many elite/special kills as an autopistol vet was i even trying

[spice veldt]

but it's something that I care about

[limpid cypress]

Then good for you, but at the end of the day it means nothing

[spice veldt]

sure

[long wharf]

shredder is basically cheat mode in Darktide right now

[spice veldt]

games also mean nothing and yet I play them

[long wharf]

it's absolutely ridiculous how good that gun is

[spice veldt]

what even is that statement

[late yew]

Melee only class when

[late yew]

you mean boring

[limpid cypress]

You don’t earn anything extra for having twice as many kills. The win is escaping alive, so why risk your team by rush ahead?

[spice veldt]

my personal fun and to get games over more quickly

I despise any normal game that goes over 25 minutes

or hi-games that go over 30 minutes

[split oxide]

This is why FS hasn't released a 'scoreboard' yet.

[late yew]

it is team game

[spice veldt]

playing with teams is a part of the game

[limpid cypress]

How is it making it quicker? Your team still needs to meet up with you at elevators and security checkpoints

[spice veldt]

too bad that they haven't released solo privates

[limpid cypress]

It is literally a co-op horde shooter. It is built as a team game

[spice veldt]

I get to take the initial engagements with ranged which is usually good for my build

that's the main advantage of running ahead

[fresh steeple]

Besides some chuckling about damage numbers, the only thing I use it for is specialist kills and damage taken. For those purposes it's quite useful. Lets you know whether you were pulling your weight in a meaningful manner.

[lunar hollow]

meh. personally i use scoreboard as a way to gauge how effective i am with my loadout

[spice veldt]

ranged enemies splitting up is bad for me

[lunar hollow]

like the first couple games i ran trauma i had a hard time getting good damage

[spice veldt]

I like numbers going up

I'm the type of person to dump thousands of hours into clicker games

[lunar hollow]

and then i got into a decent rhythm with it and have either the highest or second highest damage

[split oxide]

Ever heard the phrase. "they had to instigate a law/rule .. because of what I did"
Airlocks
Funny a mechanism to stop a behaviour .. has become a 'justification' for that behaviour.

[fresh steeple]

it's definitely tricky to start. I had the same issue

I'm very proficient with it by this point since I've only run Trauma for about a month now

[lunar hollow]

its kind of weird to figure out what exactly you're supposed to be doing with the weapon

[fresh steeple]

completely different sort of aiming system than every other weapon

[lunar hollow]

but its let me stand in the middle of a mauler/rager patrol and take absolutely no damage at all

[ionic sorrel]

Anyone find a good gun to run on a Psyker?

[lunar hollow]

shredder autopistol

[fresh steeple]

Shredder

[lunar hollow]

thats about the only one thats currently meta for gunpsyker

[fresh steeple]

it's the only one that makes any sort of sense, because of how stupidly good it is baseline

[limpid cypress]

Y’all use guns on psyker? I’m a staff simp

[fresh steeple]

A few people do, yes

[spice veldt]

I like the agri infantry ag

[limpid cypress]

It’s just nice not having to worry about ammo

[fresh steeple]

according to that one guy's survey on reddit, autopistol psykers are actually more common than Trauma or Voidstrike

[limpid cypress]

Also being space wizard is fun

[spice veldt]

I rarely ever meet other trauma or voidstrike psykers on NA west

[ionic sorrel]

I like to mix it up, I use surge staff a lot.

[split oxide]

shredder. PINNINGFIRE and AscendantBlaze, KineticFlayer, 6-warp charges.

• while wielding shredder: ascendant blaze
• deletes a trashmob

DownSide: It's only good for once every 30 seconds and triggers snipers (if you don't have 6 warpcharges which kills them)

[spice veldt]

though I've not been seeing as many psykers lately

[fresh steeple]

though it's within the margin of error

[limpid cypress]

I have not met a single voidstrike psyker yet

[fresh steeple]

I gotta finally learn it, now that I got an actually good Voidstrike after five months

my other Voidstrikes were meme staffs with Blazing Spirit or Surge or whatnot

[limpid cypress]

It looks pretty cool because it’s just straight up DPS

But I can see why most people would rather be palpatine or an arsonist

[fresh steeple]

my main concern with it is that it's basically horizonal Trauma without the actual CC potential

[hollow current]

The fifty head splats in half a second with the voidstrike is fun. Too bad they nerfed that sound.

[spice veldt]

can't sprint-slide with voidstrike with RMB unless you carry the sprint before charging, has 6 cleave limit, has marginally slower charge time than trauma

[fresh steeple]

also the cleave limit, yes

[spice veldt]

I think voidstrike is fine but just overshadowed by the others

[fresh steeple]

that's my feeling of it

[long wharf]

uh, you have a problem

[fresh steeple]

perfectly good enough, but the others can all do their own thing better

[long wharf]

please never start gambling in real life

[fresh steeple]

like the staff version of Obscurus Force Sword

[spice veldt]

don't worry; I don't particularly like gambling

I like guaranteed results

[long wharf]

good

[fresh steeple]

it's still a Force Sword. But you're not going to wow anyone with either very good single target or very good horde clear

[long wharf]

I am also very risk adverse and dislike gambling for the same reason

I hate the idea of pissing money away

the only time I've gambled, I walked into a casino with $20 and played until it was gone

[spice veldt]

yeah I've had some minor scuffles with probability to know that it's not in my favor

[split oxide]

Cos you play damnation.

[fresh steeple]

I feel like the purpose of gambling, for anyone who's healthy about it, is not to win money but to buy entertainment

if you go into a place with a hundred bucks and have fun for 5 hours and leave with nothing, you got 5 hours of entertainment at 20 dollars an hour

and maybe you also left with 200 and got paid for your entertainment

[limpid cypress]

If only gambling in real life was as effective at printing money as it is in fallout new Vegas

[fresh steeple]

as long as you assume you're never actually going to make money back, you can gamble safely

[split oxide]

Gambling is fine... on paper.
It's the inevitable endorphin-fuelled addiction I have an aversion to.

[fresh steeple]

the staff in question. Looking for a Rank 4 of Transfer from Melk

[split oxide]

Assuming you're never gonna make your money back is fine.
I get cabs and movies tickets and assume I'll never make my money back.
The Addiction is the problem.

[pine merlin]

Got this plopped on my lap. got me confused. What's the standard trauma blessings these days?

[kind jay]

neither of those unfortunately

[long wharf]

this is the only healthy approach to gambling

treat it as entertainment, not a living or way to make money

[spice veldt]

warp flurry + rending shockwave is one combination

[pine merlin]

was kinda thinking surge would be weird on that. Is Trauma like void and has almost no crit?

[spice veldt]

yup

[near wyvern]

Nah, it's as long as you can stick to your budget and not fall for the one more

[spice veldt]

surge also doesn't work on trauma's RMB at all

unlike voidstrike

[pine merlin]

would love to see it though haha. Awesome!

[spice veldt]

yeah it's quite a shame

[near wyvern]

If it would, I doubt it would be any good tho

The only thing it does is maybe some extra damage on elites and specials

[split oxide]

Again: entertainment, charity, workout, effin religious tradition;

• call it what ever justification you want.
  The addiction means you're no longer making the decisions.
  Chasing that dragon or just reach the same rush.

[spice veldt]

maybe casting from 100% peril to get the most out of it, and even that is rather dubious

if only crits didn't just straight up suck

[pine merlin]

Does TP work on Trauma? Never really used it much, just curious how hitting weakspots works with it.

[spice veldt]

only on the LMB unfortunately

RMB doesn't hit any specific parts of the body

[pine merlin]

ok

[fresh steeple]

seconded. While I still think that Surge does affect RMB based on my testing when I had one a while ago, it's useless anyway because crits are infrequent and have low modifiers. Barrage is useless beacuse anything in range to be terrified is already being staggered from the effect. You want either Flurry+Nexus, Flurry+Rending, or Nexus+Blazing. I recommend the middle one.

[pine merlin]

yeah feels like the crit blessings on 90% of the weapons where not thought out very well.

[pine merlin]

thanks

[split oxide]

Surge was never meant to be a damage-dealer.

[pine merlin]

been mostly using purg and void, then a surge crit when I feel meme. Been wanting to take the trauma for a good run or two, just havent had any good drops or rolls

[fresh steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-then-why-is-it-in-the-game-emotional-damage-meme-game-gif-26031895

[spice veldt]

so that we can bully it

god damn equinox blessings

[vestal raven]

Also did anything change with the deimos being able to one shot mutants? Something seems off, even if built for it.

[fresh steeple]

kk lunch is over, back to work. Enjoy... wherever the convo goes from here. Might pop in in a few days per usual.

[fresh steeple]

gotta hit it in the face specifically

[split oxide]

(1) Support.
(2) Insta-lock on camping gunners
(3) muties and hounds: "simon says stop!"
You allow your teammates to take them out.

[spice veldt]

blessing, not the staff

[vestal raven]

Well yeah i do that with my "perfect" one and then have like 200 or so hp left

[fresh steeple]

^

I'm not talking about Surge Staff. I'm talking about the Surge blessing of double attacks on critical hit.

[spice veldt]

isn't it real nice to have a marginally related blessing and staff that are named the same so that we can have clear conversations

[vestal raven]

lol

[fresh steeple]

felt it would be clear from context given that I was talking about Surge on Trauma when responding to a guy with a Trauma staff that had Surge on it

[fresh steeple]

do you have Warp Unleashed?

[spice veldt]

yeah, though I don't particularly mind people who skim-read too much

[vestal raven]

yeah of course, this is the sword in question

[split oxide]

only for purg

[fresh steeple]

6 warp charges?

[vestal raven]

How does warp charges increase dmg

[fresh steeple]

4% more damage per charge.

Did you not know that it increased damage?

[split oxide]

repeated weakspot hits?
on paper, pick an enemy and imagine how that plays out.

[vestal raven]

???? i thought that was just the warp charge dmg

[fresh steeple]

warp charges don't do damage. They're a buff.

did oyu think that Charges only affected Brain Burst?

[vestal raven]

yes lmfao

i had no idea

[fresh steeple]

well, there's your answer

[vestal raven]

thank you

[fresh steeple]

it's a flat damage buff to everything

keep max stacks

[spice veldt]

god bless global damage buffs

[fresh steeple]

6 charges from Warp Battery=24% more damage to everything

okay NOW back to work

[gloomy yarrow]

I wish the Deimos swords first heavy was the stab

[vestal raven]

you and me both

[split oxide]

one-shot entire fields of damnation trashmobs 6x WP, Ascendant Blaze with pinning fire.
But it's like a penance ,.. the amount of setup you need.

[split oxide]

Wait .. what?
It is.

[fresh steeple]

It is not. The first heavy is an overhead. The second is a stab.

[gloomy yarrow]

No it’s the downward swing

[fresh steeple]

which is why the stab combo is LH

[spice veldt]

the 1st light is the one with the stab

[split oxide]

ops- sorry, I missed the heavy.

[gloomy yarrow]

First light is the stab

[split oxide]

There are videos of deimos oneshotting charging muties

[spark flower]

I’ve seen footage

[hollow current]

what's that

[gloomy yarrow]

You’re talking about it like a new execution video just dropped on liveleak

[glass osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/illumination-asian-man-enlightened-oh-okay-gif-16379366

[kind jay]

4 psykers is either the best run ever or the worst run ever

theres no in between

[gloomy yarrow]

4 psykers 4 staves

[steep shuttle]

I got Terrifying 4 on my purg staff and I kinda like it

[long wharf]

I've seen this adult film...

[kind jay]

lol i dont even have flurry for trauma

what have i been doing

[brittle loom]

Achieved, my siblings

[kind jay]

best i could do for now. just gotta find flurry ig

[steep shuttle]

I thought it was just one now

[spice veldt]

prob just the steam achievement description not being updated

[north solstice]

guys how hard is it to dodge a mutant?

[spice veldt]

i'd say it's pretty easy; better to dodge early than late

just a matter of not dodging into something

or being in a tight corridor

[north solstice]

then WHY CANT MY TEAMMATES DODGE IT

im angy

[spice veldt]

teammates get grabbed by mutants = they're temporarily disabled = can't attack = my mutant kill

[crude trout]

possible latency issues?

or maybe they dodged into something

or they dodged into a corner making the mutant turn 180 degrees and catch them

[river sand]

you dont dodge em if you got deimos

[digital narwhal]

Trauma is the best Staff.
I will not elaborate and my opinion cannot be swayed.

[river sand]

well its true

[north solstice]

i hate muties >:(

but i hate my teammates evEN MORE

[spice veldt]

mutants are fun until there are three or more of them

[north solstice]

hi5 shock is dreadful

but fun

[river sand]

trauma has best cc, highest dmg potential and overall most utility

[spice veldt]

had a mutant train come when our team was walking through a tight corridor

it was also combined with a poxburster train

choo choo

[crude trout]

when the mutant train alley hoops your team to a poxburster train

[solemn zenith]

Holy shit i feel dripped out

[spice veldt]

such good public transport

[crude trout]

from my experience, it's usually after the poxburster train where the scab bomber professionally throws a grenade

in hi5 shock

[nova nexus]

Where do I go to ask for a group for damnation

[river sand]

quickplay ?

[nova nexus]

No I want to form a group

[river sand]

well then go vox-lfg-your region

[nova nexus]

O ok thank you

[formal ridge]

To fix the Surge blessing not applying to Trauma RMB, all Fatshark has to do is change the tooltip lol

[lunar hollow]

this cosmetic combination is one i also enjoy

[shadow wigeon]

It's definitely intentional, it would have a lot of strange effects on RMB

[lunar hollow]

the headpiece goes really well with that penance set

[solemn zenith]

it do

[graceful eagle]

can Deimos 1shot mutie with heavy stab? without Unstable power or Warp Uleashed

[safe crystal]

Yes, heavy 2 with a maniacs perk, 4 warp charges and 2 T4 slaughterer stacks

Needs to be a headshot or a crit

[formal ridge]

it would clear up player confusion and etc to change the tooltip though (along with a lot of other tooltips)

[shadow wigeon]

Oh I see what you mean. Yeah, so many tool tips aren’t great.

[formal ridge]

for muties I never have a problem brainbursting while its running to me then 1 shot to finish... I guess in high schock u need to kill multiples at the same itme

[formal ridge]

actually now that you mention it I want to make that demios lol

[lucid olive]

how is warp absorbtion compared to quietitude now?

[formal ridge]

better for aggressive/melee play

[lucid olive]

illisi?

[formal ridge]

quietitude better for ranged play

[formal ridge]

definitely

[formal ridge]

you get all your kills on the first heavy, where deimos may take a combo

but you cant combo warp attacks so I guess that negates that

I mean you can use warp absorption with ranged play its just you will not be regening ANY toughness behind cover/not killing/(brainbursting for single kills)

[elfin geode]

keep the riposte?

[spice veldt]

and there might not be any trash for you to kill to get some toughness

[shadow wigeon]

It’s stil a bit weird, because of the lack of regen when not killing. It generates a lot of toughness, when it’s going. I actually used it with wildfire, because you would passively keep getting kills for so long. But it still feel more finicky than quiet

[spice veldt]

I do love the burst toughness that you can get from warp absorption, but it makes some enemies particularly dangerous and requires you to play a bit more smartly

[graceful eagle]

6stacks, Warp Uleashed, +%maniac can oneshot it at zero peril

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah infinte toughness when you don’t always need it, and none when you do

[formal ridge]

im running 4 stacks/quicken so id be missing 8% damage... which I guess could come from unstable?

damn Im 48 damage off, but a quick follow up stab is easy

[ionic sorrel]

I heard someone mention it before, but why do you not use surge staff on a hoard? Wouldn't it help with mitigation of damage given the CC?

[rich rose]

I use surge all the time. best cc IMO

[spice veldt]

hordes will pretty much walk through anyways, and it's better to outright kill the horde

since the main danger of hordes is when other elites and whatnot are thrown into the mix

[safe crystal]

Hits a maximum of 5 targets, and doesnt kill any of them if they're not flak armoured. Its better to just melee at that point

[spice veldt]

don't get misled by the VFX

[safe crystal]

Killing poxwalkers > stunning them

[spice veldt]

even though some enemies will have the lightning effect applied to their model (the blue/black charring), the surge might not have actually targeted them

[ionic sorrel]

Interesting, thanks

[spice veldt]

surge can only hit <10 enemies and has a rather sharp damage dropoff per target

it also doesn't deal that much damage until charged, and it has one of the slower charge times (1.98 seconds for a full charge at 80% charge rate)

[formal ridge]

does like 1/2 to 1/3 damage to hoard armor types, (unarmoured/infested); its kinda like putting a 50% damage debuff on your weapon, would you do it?

[rich rose]

CC isn't about DMG. Never has been

[spice veldt]

but the question is on using the surge on groaners/poxwalkers

do you really want to die on the hill that surging groaners/poxwalkers is a good thing to do

[rich rose]

You're not CC'n groaners/poxwalkers, who would?

[spice veldt]

we're on the same page then

[formal ridge]

lol

[idle plover]

I like my surge staff, it's effectiveness however very much is determined by the rest of your team.

[rich rose]

For a CC Surge, would you change that Unarmoured for Carp or leave as is?

[spice veldt]

oh they fixed the force swords to have a block cost of 1 when blocking from the front

neat

[idle plover]

If you have no horde clear you are going to be in a bad place. Or if they are not focusing your elites you are also going to be sad.

[spice veldt]

though the illisi exists now

and the hordeclear of other melees isn't that bad

[shadow wigeon]

I take maniac over unarmoured, because of how many ragers you should be zapping

[granite dust]

Old toy (left) - New toy (right):

[rich rose]

Idiot "Take out all the Snipers Pysker!" Uh you realize you have to have line of sight FIRST? Right?!

Their were only like five lol

[pine merlin]

anyone have experience running quietitude and exorcist together?

[shadow wigeon]

No, but im curious if someone pipes in. With the force swords being so good at melee, I wonder if you could make a really safe melee weapon.

I want to experiment with that now...

[spice veldt]

exorcist is unable to proc multiple times in a single swing even if you hit multiple weakspots, which makes it meh

[shadow wigeon]

Illisi swing rate is pretty quick, tho

I wonder if it's viable now

[pine merlin]

this is what made me think of it.

[pine merlin]

limited proc would suck though

[ornate hamlet]

I don't know how it works specifically for that blessing, but aren't repeated hits specifically "don't miss them and chain more than one"?

Seems like slaughterer is a 1000% better way to get power

I get tilted by blessings that cancel themselves if you miss an attack

It is

[pine merlin]

i think so, but wondered if doing a wide swing would proc it more than once, but arc said it wouldn't

[ornate hamlet]

Executor is something that I'd imagine being used to set up kills on crushers and other big enemies, but that's in a class that already has a blitz ability specifically for it

[spice veldt]

it has the same trigger conditions as Executor, but Executor is actually able to proc multiple times in a single swing unlike exorcist

[ornate hamlet]

Based

[pine merlin]

yeah i just had that on there cause i was just messing with things

well. Hopefully someday we will have the ability to make weird as builds in the PoE ways of old haha

[spice veldt]

if you light-spam, you could quell somewhat fast, though I don't particularly like lightspamming for hordeclear

[graceful eagle]

on illisi? just use brainburst

[spice veldt]

I'm just using executor as another example of a Repeated Weakspot Hit blessing that can proc multiple times

[pine merlin]

that was originally my thought until i remembered quietitude, but again if it doesnt proc it kinda takes away from my reason for trying it

[spice veldt]

yeah

it seems to be something that they intentionally put in to nerf exorcist

[pine merlin]

ahhh.

well can always dream i spose

[rich rose]

+I did run with the Unarmored for 1 run, not bad but I use a sword to clear little guys

[pine relic]

I'm starting to use uncanny strike, it seems like the AI really like spawning crushers recently.

[meager plinth]

crusher removal tool

[shadow wigeon]

Well, it will still do something, it's just not a huge difference. I think it's a defensive blessing - youd use it to quell peril from blocking.. presumably

The actual increase in toughness per kill wont be huge, but it's not nothing.

The question I would have is - can you make a build that can block big enough attacks to make a block/quell build worthwhile

[jaunty moth]

what u think so far? Im short on platesteel to upgrade it again haha.

btw this is the only autopistol this game has given my psyker

[shadow wigeon]

Calvacade is useless for Psyker BUT it has a fun synergy with damage reduction on zealot

The blessing you want is Pinning Fire, almost any tier will be fine

[jaunty moth]

that is what i was planning on crafting onto it

or maybe ill get lucky and get it for free...

[long wharf]

I'd switch unarmoured for crit chance

[shadow wigeon]

One day when you have the spare cash, try making a Cavalcade Pistol for zealot, and then get really reckless with it.

In a big fight you can stay at 50% damage reduction the entire time

[jaunty moth]

ill do that cause thats the other class i play the most

[shadow wigeon]

Pistol is so over tuned that it is over looked, but it's actually a good blessing for zealots.

[rich rose]

Maniac seems to work

[jaunty moth]

wrong channel lol

[pine merlin]

So i tried to use it and it seems like the exorcist was really easy to maintain and build up with heavy and fast wave clear swings. Seemed like it was super easy to keep tough up, but not sure if it was from just how quietitude is normally on passive quell or if the exorcist was helping accelerate. I had a hard time telling when the proc would hit. I was zaping that peril away super fast though, so it might just be irrelevant? Not sure as I hardly use quietitude and don't have much to compare it to.

seems like both those proc even when you hold those heavy swings

[jaunty moth]

since i posted it anyways. i kinda like this sword.

its lazy cleave

[pine merlin]

also, might be crazy, but kinetic flayer seemed to proc one of the two

[rich rose]

Wrath looks interesting

[pine merlin]

lol works for me

[jaunty moth]

any suggestions on what to re roll?

[pine merlin]

unfortunately my only experience with heavy swords is when I was leveling and thought it was funny to head shot elites with the special lol

[jaunty moth]

lol kk

i mean it slaps as is so i might leave it be

[pine merlin]

have you used it yet?

[jaunty moth]

just in meat grinder

bout to run one now with it

[pine merlin]

i'm the wrong person to ask to be fair. I don't care too much about min maxing, more about, whats gonna make me smile when I lopping off heads

[jaunty moth]

yea and thats what i like about this sword its fun. i was just curious if i could make it better haha

[pine merlin]

maybe switch out the weakspot damage buff for something against armored? I can't remember what kinda pen those have

[rapid bear]

So... I hear Warp Nexus on staves is actually really good? It's not actually just "5-20%"?

[pine merlin]

seems pretty naughty on surge staves.

[spice veldt]

it is 5-20%; just that one staff in particular benefits nicely from crits, and that's the purgatus

on the other staffs, the LMB has a high crit multiplier

[pine merlin]

Serious question though. Can you really call yourself a pysker if you ain't tossing a random staff bonk or two like starwars kid?

[pine merlin]

damn it my delusions on surge are untrue!!!

[pine relic]

Surge only deals high damage to armoured enemies, for the others it does not matter if you crit or not since the base damage is so low.

[spice veldt]

me tossing out my staff bonk because I pressed my special key too quickly before swapping to my force sword

yeah, the crit damage multiplier on anything but unarmoured and infested is meh

[rapid bear]

Are there breakpoints to be had with crits on an 80/80 surge staff? Seems there should be

[spice veldt]

the only reason why it's higher on unarmoured and infested is because of the inherent rending% that crits give if the attack deals less than a certain amount of damage to an armour type

[ionic sorrel]

Sometimes you gotta just bonk a heretic a few times.

[pine merlin]

Crits in this game make my head hurt

[spice veldt]

yeah they are insanely shit for some reason

[meager plinth]

damage multiplication makes my head hurt

[pine relic]

I don't know. if I'm using surge I don't care about my damage

[pine merlin]

the poxwalkers usually run away when my kinetic flayer triggers on a head bonk

[spice veldt]

• many weapons/blessings/perks having a terrible crit multiplier and chance
• crit damage being nerfed on targets beyond the first hit in a cleave

• the crit damage calculation being so fucking weird

[pine merlin]

but imagine triggering soulblaze while shocking them....real palp shit right there.

[pine merlin]

I just wanna make dumbshit happen.

[pine relic]

how? Surge staff does not have soulblaze

[north solstice]

not with that attitude

[pine merlin]

i know, but one can dream

[spice veldt]

in my dreams they do

[pine merlin]

the moment i realized surge didn't i cried for at least 2 days

[fierce sinew]

flayer proc +WnR

[pine relic]

Soulblaze is trash

[olive ember]

the soulblaze on surge copers are here

idk why people think it will be good ngl

[pine merlin]

then realizing it wouldn't work one anything it should made me cry for another days

[pine relic]

unless it deals 200+ damage and you can stack it fast

[pine merlin]

it's not about being good persay, its about how palp can i look

[fierce sinew]

if only there was a staff that did apply soulblaze, and in quantities that are actually very effective

would be a pog staff

[olive ember]

lmao

[fierce sinew]

especially if there was no lame target limit on it

[pine merlin]

get out of here with that using your brain shit

[pine relic]

I remember it deals 160 damage, maximum stack

[spice veldt]

surge does have multi-hits on its RMB

the other issue being that burn/soulblaze blessings having the trend of a low ass cap

[pine merlin]

Then you got Blazing Spirit waiting to use all 12 stacks

[dawn crypt]

i found this on my psyker, should i ever be using it instead of a staff lol.... will people troll me and call me bad

[olive ember]

I mean

mk 12 is always half decent

idk if I would bring it on a psyker but

it wont suck

it might even be good

[dawn crypt]

it would probably work and be viable on damnation....
but on principle should i never use it, or salvage it, or mess around with it for lols or even bother wasting mats to reroll it lol...

or maybe hold on to it in case gun psyker ever becomes a thing

[fierce sinew]

"viable" doesn't really mean anything in a game like this that lets you outplay the shittiest build decisions imaginable if you're willing to sweat hard enough in mission

[deft gorge]

i think enjoyable is a better benchmark. At present, the MK12 may be "viable" but it is not "enjoyable"

[jaunty moth]

yea it works great

[dawn crypt]

so your philosophy is that this game is mostly sandbox and its up to the players own innovation and skill to overcome anything

[shadow wigeon]

Once you get to the current end-game, it is mostly sandbox

[restive slate]

My philosophy is Plasteel

[shadow wigeon]

hi shock pushed the envelope a bit

[dawn crypt]

Yea its kind of a boring weapon. I'm not sure if i would ever bring it to a game instead of a staff lol... but it rolled decent so I'm probably gonna hold on to it. Just wondered how people viewed the idea of a gun psyker lol. maybe think of me as a meme

Its a single target weapon

[shadow wigeon]

Lots of gunpsykers around

[fierce sinew]

I don't think it's mostly sandbox in the sense that all setups are equally effective (quite the contrary), just that a boolean about whether you can clear or not with a given setup doesn't tell you much about where on the effectiveness spectrum a setup is given everything else going on

and "can I clear with this" is what is most often meant by "viable"

[dawn crypt]

Can definitely clear with it

[fierce sinew]

yeah, can clear with your cock in your hand and teammates willing to carry you too

[dawn crypt]

rofl

Can still delete shooters. Just cant quell and no bonuses that vets get

I dont even know why fatshark allows psykers to use and acquire guns...

[deft gorge]

best curio set up for psykers go

[dawn crypt]

I use Toughness regen x3 on every class

with + toughness %

I dont bother with +wound or stam

[restive slate]

Why do I keep getting underleveled underskilled players trying to do Heresy + missions?

[dawn crypt]

And always get 1 +stam regen at least

[restive slate]

I legit gave up because it was so tiring babysitting

[dawn crypt]

Heresy is the middle ground where curious noobs like to explore. Just go damnation and that problem is mostly solved.

[restive slate]

It should only be available by lvl 30 imo

Lol I like the emphasis on "mostly"

[dawn crypt]

Theres even noobs on damnation that have no business b eing there

[glossy forge]

what blessings do you want on the fire stick

[restive slate]

I trust more when in vc with the team

Mine has the charge rate and crit chance blessing

[dawn crypt]

I have this issue where people dont loot plasteel.

[restive slate]

Holy sh- YES

They walk past all the crates, get too far and die

[pine merlin]

do you passively aggressively mark them all the time too?

[restive slate]

Tagged at least 5-6 times on occasion

[pine merlin]

best practice

[restive slate]

Yet they jump down to be in the open with a dozen gunners all spread about

[rich rose]

Not. Idiots exist in damnation just as much as anywhere else. I am so ready for a Bot mod

[olive ember]

@spice veldt

thoughts?

[spice veldt]

i'd change one of the perks to +unarmoured for dreg bruisers unless you're confident in maintaining warp charges

[dawn crypt]

I never mark plasteel, I'm always the one end up having to go loot it all. But if people seem pissy that theyre waiting for me, i ll mark it to tell them why im back there

[olive ember]

which one?

[restive slate]

Bot mod with lvl 30 feats and custom weapons pls

[olive ember]

prob unyielding im assuming

[spice veldt]

maybe maniacs

[olive ember]

maniac?

herm

[spice veldt]

at least with unyielding, it'll help against the bonbon

[dawn crypt]

OMG YES, They run past crates and die. And I have to go save them.

[spice veldt]

I guess for maniacs you're fairly likely to blast flamers and dreg ragers

[olive ember]

unyielding is bulwarks and reapers

[spice veldt]

do you want to murder bonbons or have something that's more generally applicable

[olive ember]

and bosses

herm

[dawn crypt]

Yes morons who overextend and expose themselves and dont understand the concept of line of sight or waiting for team support

[spice veldt]

though I don't really trauma bulwarks/reapers or monstrosities besides bonbon personally

[restive slate]

Also bots need to be able to pick up items FATSHARK

[restive slate]

Feelsbadman

[dawn crypt]

I've even had 2 toxic zealots that accused me of playing a "pussy psyker class thats scared to fight"

[restive slate]

Oh a Psyker player being in the backline support HMMMM almost as if that's what Psykers are meant to do LOL

[dawn crypt]

And this was on damnation snper gauntlet high intensity. And they were dying to snipers and not giving me a chance to BB

[restive slate]

Zealots... rushing in Sniper Gauntlet... Wow

[dawn crypt]

I had to deal with horde swarm and have my force sword out. Because my front liners ran off...

So If i dont hve melee support, I have to melee myself while lining snipers from killing me. Then go and save them

[restive slate]

Yea when the Psyker of the team is forced to melee a horde, that's a sign of a bad time incoming

[dawn crypt]

I called them out for it and THEY got really pissy and toxic.

[restive slate]

Righteously toxic

[spice veldt]

nothing wrong with meleeing a horde when slaughterer force swords exist

[dawn crypt]

Sorry i didnt get toxic, they did, lashed back at me

Yeah, I dont mind meleeing hordes, I just wish I could be relieved from it sooner so I can remove snipers from pinning us behind a wall

[restive slate]

Not with Snipers around and no Veterans haha

[spice veldt]

you can usually dodge away from a horde and BB while they're around if you push -> spam dodges away

especially with the infinite dodges of force swords to immediately cover yourself after you BB and to repeat

[restive slate]

Yea just considering darktideaddicts situation

Force sword saved my butt multiple times

[dawn crypt]

In that situation, I didnt have a lot of space behind me to dodge, and i would be risking taking chip damage on a psyker from small zombies

So I chose to melee. also depends on the gap distance I have before crowd reaches me

[restive slate]

Funnily enough Fsword helps me dance a boss around super easy

[dawn crypt]

Its kinda hard to target BB on a sniper far back when u have bunch of zombies in your face

[restive slate]

Maybe with the fast bb ult

[dawn crypt]

Ya the infinite dodge on fswords alone is worth using

Thats why Im letting my dueling sword collect dust right now

[restive slate]

Can't wait for more force weapons for more infinite dodges

[dawn crypt]

Ya popping ult to temporarily push back stagger the crowd for a quick burst is good. Just depends how aggressive or conservative you are with ur cooldown usage

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmm...I wonder if I should get Rampage through this.

[dawn crypt]

You have too few marks to be using it on ripping blessings. And ask urself how often u even use catachan swords. U should save up more marks imo

[restive slate]

If you got NOTHING else to buy then maybe...

[ornate hamlet]

I am the kind of madman to use Catachan Swords, even with the Illisi or Power Swords.

[restive slate]

One day diamantine plasteel ratio will change...

[dawn crypt]

If i spend 2-3k. and there are good items in the shop for the next week, I wont miss out on anything

Thats why I think having 4300 marks is dangerously low

Plus, you can always eventually get a blessing from emperors gift or crafting

All depends how desperate you are for the upgrade. Or how patient u are

[restive slate]

Might wanna save up Melks for when new weapons drop too

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, I'll be serious.

By "account-wide" regarding Blessings, does it mean that any new characters created would have these blessings available?

[restive slate]

Yup

[fierce sinew]

5 psyker meta

quintuple the melk rolls

[restive slate]

Once they increase the max characters per account... Farms even harder!

[ornate hamlet]

Okay. What if I "accidentally" deleted a Character?

(Quotations because some people would delete a character to make room, only to regret it immediately)

[dawn crypt]

I have 4/5 characters :p

But i know someone who has 2 zealots

His reasoning is that zealots have the most weapon types and thunderhammers are hard to get

[small flicker]

I sorta blew through the tutorial so I could play with my buddies when I started but like

why does the F push thing just suck

unless I am doing it wrong

[dawn crypt]

So you are saying. That if i made a brand new psyker, it would hve all blessings i learned?

[ember sentinel]

What dont you like about it

[small flicker]

it pushes some people down, but in a crowd where I need to get space because I'm the one getting aggro'd for whatever reason

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah.

[spice veldt]

by default, the ult is quite nice for protecting yourself from trappers or dogs

[ornate hamlet]

I want to confirm it.

[small flicker]

it just, feels like a wet fart, pushing down two or three people

[spice veldt]

the ult's stagger also scales with the amount of warp charges you have

[small flicker]

the what

[ornate hamlet]

Have you attacked after pushing?

[ember sentinel]

I find it to be helpful giving me space or saving me/ a teamamte from disablers

[ornate hamlet]

Oh, you mean the Warp Unleashed thing.

[small flicker]

I read about warp charges but never understood them

[ember sentinel]

I run barrage so ill also use it to BB quickly

When needed

[ornate hamlet]

Warp Charges are pretty important for the Psyker.

[spice veldt]

the ult also goes through walls and can save pounced teammates, which is swell

[ember sentinel]

Ogryn patrol/sniper or bomber in a bad spot

Lots of gunners

[spice veldt]

it does seem to have some stagger falloff based on distance

[small flicker]

distance: in my face

to get space

[ember sentinel]

If you want it to be directly more impactful you could kill stuff with it if you run AB

[pine merlin]

it can also stop the selfplodes and if you are spicy it makes you fart fire

[small flicker]

quick note, I understand no acronyms

[ember sentinel]

Ascendant blaze

[small flicker]

so

[spice veldt]

they're just a buff you get when you kill enemies with Brain Burst or from feats. By default, they each give 4% damage and increase the stagger of your ult. That's all that warp charges do; nothing particularly interesting

[ember sentinel]

6 does add up though

And they will be used for stuff like ascendant blaze to calculate damage

I think unless im remembering wrong

[pine merlin]

they doi