I only run purga because the others require somewhat competent teammates.
#psyker-class
cyan portal
shadow wigeon
Ok, hat tip to the person who suggested re-blessing before you consecrate... I didn't realize how good an idea that is on surge
Only 3 level 4 blessings, 100% chance you get the blessings you want, just have to get lucky on tier.
obtuse moth
you can do a few instant casts to get flurry going first
i usually will do two instant casts in most cases on most staves then start doing full charges
shadow wigeon
you can do a few instant casts to get flurry going first
Well, you have to weight the value... since instant casts still cost ~15-20% peril. (3-4 + 12-15
obtuse moth
you can also just do half casts which i find is when you actually start to do damage
shadow wigeon
you can also just do half casts which i find is when you actually start to do da...
Surge is always (charge % x peril gen) + (peril gen)
So you still eat up a lot of peril on short casts.
grand arrow
i want a laspistol + staff combo so bad
shadow wigeon
So it's worth considering if short is always the right move
grand arrow
not having a damn gun and having to cope with a warp bolt makes me vomit
untold spade
wow, ace
wet belfry
Probably reroll maniac to either flak or unarmored
shadow wigeon
I use maniac these days
untold spade
If flurry just gave a bit more benefit faster it'd be really nice
wet belfry
I use maniac these days
Any reason?
I doubt it hits any important breakpoints on most maniac targets.
shadow wigeon
Any reason?
Flak is overkill, and ragers are always a high priority target.
obtuse moth
Surge is always (charge % x peril gen) + (peril gen)
So you still eat up a lot o...
i wouldnt consider a half cast a short cast or long cast. But I digress, if i'm casting faster its because my goal is to make space or cc multiple groups of targets which is why the cast time is based more on time spent between casts than level of charge.
shadow wigeon
I doubt it hits any important breakpoints on most maniac targets.
I'm fairly certain it gets you to 1 hit + 1 crit BPS for maniac actually
and with 40-45% crit it's fairly likely to occur
obtuse moth
unarmored surge right clicks are so poopoo
untold spade
Yea I don't get that
shadow wigeon
i wouldnt consider a half cast a short cast or long cast. But I digress, if i'm ...
Yeah you should do it based on tactical choice. I just meant not JUST to build up flurry stacks, because short casts are quite costly.
shadow wigeon
Yea I don't get that
it does heavy damage to armor, weak to non. Crits mitigate it to some degree.
untold spade
unarmored surge right clicks are so poopoo
They probably don't want one staff to be good at everything but like even if they don't have metal surrounding them to conduct the lightning it's still lightning
Yea this is just worthless moaning not actual constructive criticism
obtuse moth
its a special/elite weapon rather than a horde clear weapon. but it needs a higher target cap and/or more special target damage
shadow wigeon
I doubt it hits any important breakpoints on most maniac targets.
I run tranquil, and with 6 stacks I need + maniac to kill a rager with 1 crit and 1 non crit.
shadow wigeon
its a special/elite weapon rather than a horde clear weapon. but it needs a high...
A few more targets would be neat but the stun lock is just so strong... it makes the game pretty easy already.
untold spade
Welp guess I'll take it
shadow wigeon
Shock high still gives it a run for it's money tho
shadow wigeon
Welp guess I'll take it
winner winner chicken dinner
obtuse moth
They probably don't want one staff to be good at everything but like even if the...
trauma staff is good at everything unless you're looking for a non nurgle boss killer
shadow wigeon
Btw if you are rolling a surge from grey to yellow... alwayas re-bless the first blessing you get to terrifying barrage.
So that your yellow roll can only be flurry or nexus if you hit T4.
untold spade
Oh that's genius
shadow wigeon
Same advice for rolling purg, too, although the odds aren't as good.
untold spade
Guess it only works cuz it has stupid small blessing pool
untold spade
Interesting, thanks for the tip 
cyan notch
same with purg
shadow wigeon
Oh yeah! it is the same
Yeah... I even followed that advice and I forgot there are only 3 there.
Someone suggested it here, genius little idea
untold spade
I wanted to try trauma staff anyway, cuz it's the first staff so I only got to use it when it's certified hot garbagio
obtuse moth
Guess it only works cuz it has stupid small blessing pool
trick always works to raise the chances of getting what you want. you can do the same for perks too if trying to roll for two ideal perks is necessary
untold spade
Even then it felt pretty cool
obtuse moth
since getting a high tier perks/blessings is more likely the more you consecrate, it could also theoretically affect the likelihood of getting t4 perks and blessings too if you raise the item level by sticking high tier perks and blessings on it. but thats just theoretical since we don't know if its item level based or base item level based + rarity
untold spade
I scratch my head at the amount of things in this game that are pretty important that are left to guesses
cyan notch
i dont think it works for perks
its stupid anyway permanent locks shouldnt be a thing
people have to jump through hoops for this
obtuse moth
you can't get a perk you already have, so if you reperk to something you don't want you remove it from the pool of possible perks to roll on upgrade
making it more likely that the perk you do get on consecration is one of the two you DO want, and then you can reperk the slot you changed to the other one you need
formal ridge
serge with ilisi and AB is a night and day difference
shadow wigeon
you can't get a perk you already have, so if you reperk to something you don't w...
That's kinda tricky... becasue if you rolled something you dont want, you shoudlnt re-roll, as you already dont want it.
And if you got a good perk you like, you shouldn't re-roll because well... you want it.
"since getting a high tier perks/blessings is more likely the more you consecrate," is there actual evidence of this?
I suppose if you rolled a stat you DO want, but a low tier
obtuse moth
That's kinda tricky... becasue if you rolled something you dont want, you shoudl...
you can roll for a higher tier if its not what you want
shadow wigeon
you can roll for a higher tier if its not what you want
Yeah, I suppose the case there is just very narrow: if you hit a perk you want, but a low tier... then reroll it to something you dont want.
The odds are barely changed though, given how big the pool is.
But it's more than nothing
cyan notch
you can't get a perk you already have, so if you reperk to something you don't w...
i mean its highly likely u already rolled some shit you dont want in the first place and then all that does is making it so might be stuck with a worse perk that youre now stuck with
obtuse moth
theres a blurb they mention it but not as precisely as i'd like. and theres a lot of people's experiences lately getting t4s from golds since the patch that you can easily search for in the discord. i also have graveyards of blue weapons with 0 t4s. meanwhile almost everytime i upgraded something to gold so i could put a second blessing on it, i end up being unable to put the blessing i intend because i end up getting a t4 in that slot i don't want to overwrite or destroy
i do know item level affects the tier of perks that you can reroll for
and i've rolled thousands of times to that effect
shadow wigeon
Yeah, I onder if the item level system carries up above 400. Since the brunt patch, I've seen no difference in 330- and 360+ in terms of blessings.
obtuse moth
very low level items can't even get t3 perks let alone t4
shadow wigeon
Yeah stands to reason there would be more levels to that system
obtuse moth
and it works the other way too, high item levels rarely get t2 perks or t1s
shadow wigeon
what is very low
Yeah, sub 300, it was quite noticeable pre-brunt patch
shadow wigeon
You did from brunt's which was the issue. Now patched, so it's gone.
but the question is if that system carries further tiers
ie what item level to increase chance of T4
it does seem anedoctally that I get more T4's when rolling very high level weapons.
Could be luck, but it's happened an awful lot in the last few weeks.
cyan notch
i see no discernible difference
its also a little skewed since people are rolling more high stat items than they are low stat items
shadow wigeon
Well comparing T4 rolls on blues vs yellows, it's significantly higher for me.
But the sample size of yellows is very small
shadow wigeon
Whatever - total level, color, who knows.
If there is correlation, it would be on total item level, not just base item level
In my experience. But it's anecdotal.
obtuse moth
its also a little skewed since people are rolling more high stat items than they...
i didn't do that, i was rolling for blessings and not for ready to go items
shadow wigeon
I've rolled 500-1000 blues at this point (mostly 365+ but a lot of junk as well), and maybe 50-70 yellows, and yellows sure look like they have yielded more T4's on second roll, proportionately.
obtuse moth
i assumed that the most efficient way would be to take the first item you get. Ideally at green to save a consecration and upgrade to blue, since that gives you the most blessing rolls/plasteel and doesn't waste credits for no reason.
cyan notch
from the store yea
gold consecrations cost like 3x more
idk if it is all that efficient mats wise
obtuse moth
personally ive gotten at least 10x more t4s that way even though i have far fewer golds
shadow wigeon
grey - green = 150 plasteel (discounted for item level)
green - blue = 200p
blue - purp = 400p 130d
purp - gold = 700p 300d
obtuse moth
i'd much rather do it with blues but i ended up with nothing i was looking for after rolling for months. all my t4s basically came from gifts at that point. everything i've been searching for i've gotten after changing tack. i can't discount the possibility of random chance or patches changing drop chance but that's been my experience
shadow wigeon
1 blue to gold = 3.5 grey to blues.
Rolling T4's off greys has been painful... but ultimately got all my top gear from Brunt's
but probably... 30-40 million ordo dockets later.
obtuse moth
Yeah, I suppose the case there is just very narrow: if you hit a perk you want, ...
theres also tiers of 'useless' perks.. like specialist/elite is usually better than infested/unarmored, which is usually better than crit chance, stamina which is usually better than crit damage, sprint or block efficiency
untold spade
Every single emperor's gift has been a gun
Someone please beat the emperor across the kneecaps
kind jay
embrace gunker
shadow wigeon
theres also tiers of 'useless' perks.. like specialist/elite is usually better t...
Yeah, it's still a bit of paradox... because if it's a perk that's ok, it might have been better value just to keep anyway. And if it's bad, you should keep it to improve your odds.
I can see it if you hit your #1 perk, and a very low tier.
shadow wigeon
Try to make a devil's claw
I tried, on zealot to give it the best chance. It’s so bad. The damage is just too low.
ornate hamlet
I think the psyker might be less unsuccessful
Unless there's no rending blessing, then I have no hopes for that flak damage
But the damage being consistently higher will do it some good when paired against zealot having damage on hit
It'd make the start of combos better at least
left basin
ornate hamlet
Void enjoyer
loud jewel
worth my melk bucks?
wet belfry
If you want t4 warp flurry for trauma yes
loud jewel
blessings on staves are only for that one type right?
elder sage
Anyone on right now?
austere estuary
Get it for t4 flurry on trauma
meager plinth
I hope it's never "fixed"
What is up with Dumdum?
austere estuary
But that charge stat is abysmal
digital loom
worth my melk bucks?
on the one hand, change warp flurry to crit and infested to crit
on the other hand, 30% charge speed is going to feel awful if you attempt to use the staff for anything other than blaze application
i wouldnt bother even if everything else is perfect
austere estuary
flurry will minimise the difference on the charge speed, but it'll still be ultimately best to later extract it to another staff
arctic condor
What are the best feats for the class?
hidden crystal
How long is a piece of string?
It really depends on what gear you want to combine it with.
arctic condor
Well I'm debating between warp absorbtion and essence harvest for level 5
spice veldt
there's usually one "meh" choice for each feat line
I wouldn't say that the crossed-out feats are bad, and you could make them work with certain builds or a specific purpose in mind; but they are a bit niche
if it's between warp absorption and essence harvest, then essence harvest will probably be the better one unless you're running the illisi or void/trauma
hidden crystal
I'd say that Essence Harvest is the niche one at Lvl 5, to be honest.
spice veldt
though essence harvest doesn't stack
it's niche, but it's what you're mostly going to use at around lvl 5
hidden crystal
Essence Harvest either relies on a Brain Burst heavy build, or hoping to absorb souls through Psychic Communion.
hollow moth
Is wildfire bad even for purgatus? I mean the other option is 8% extra damage, is it significantly better?
spice veldt
yeah the lvl25 feats are eh
the problem with wildfire is something that the description doesn't tell you
it won't target enemies that already have 4 or more soulblaze stacks
and there is some other bugged behavior with wildfire
and purg is already a monster at spreading soulblaze
although warp battery and flayer are mediocre, their more general use case puts it a level above wildfire from my view
hidden crystal
Is wildfire bad even for purgatus? I mean the other option is 8% extra damage, i...
Warp Battery is more than just 8% extra damage - although that in of itself, can be the difference on some break points - it's also two more stacks that need to time out before you fail to meet break points.
hollow moth
thanks, I'll try switching to warp battery on purg and see how it works
hidden crystal
And that can tide you over a fair bit between encounters.
hidden crystal
Essence Harvest either relies on a Brain Burst heavy build, or hoping to absorb ...
I will admit that I do generally use Essence Harvest, but that's because I usually run gunpsyker, and it's the only one that can potentially trigger (if you also have Psychic Communion) on gun kills.
spice veldt
another thing is the consistent regeneration
on lower difficulties, the constant regeneration means that you'll continuously proc the ranged damage reduction on toughness break since the duration and cooldown are better
hidden crystal
I'm not consistently getting warp kills (although that's an option with the force sword, but then I'm getting back some toughness just because it's melee kills) or quelling peril, so the other options for the Lvl 5 pick are pretty forgettable for gunpsykers.
arctic condor
Do staves count as warp attacks?
cold geode
Anything that causes peril gain is a warp attack
tired estuary
Is wildfire bad even for purgatus? I mean the other option is 8% extra damage, i...
if you're running ascendant blaze then you want to have 6 warp charges to guarantee kills on all shooters for ult
meager plinth
And it looks not half bad imo
wet belfry
Did manage to make a concept of a more survivalist/utility based psyker subclass
Psyker diviner
Health 150
Toughness 150
Iconic 1: Successful dodges grant the diviner stacks of Precognition. Each stacks increases damage by 5% up to 3stacks.
Iconic 2: Passive toughness regeneration (1/s)
Iconic 3: The Diviner does not take toughness bleed-through damage.
Aura: 15% stamina recovery
Blitz: Glimpse the weakness of a target making it take 30% more damage from all sources and gain 4 stacks of rending. This can stack 2 times.
Abillty: Twist fate 35s cooldown. The Diviner is resistant to all forms of damage for 5 seconds. The Diviner and Allys in coherency gain 100% crit chance for 5s.
Talent tree
- (toughness)
A. 30% of toughness lost is replenished within a period of 3s.
B. Gaining stacks of Precognition grants 30% toughness over 5s.
C. Passive toughness regeneration is buffed in intervals of peril. (0, 20, 40, 60, 80) to (2, 3, 4, 5, 6) - (?)
A. 20% more melee damage, 10% less ranged damage.
B. 20% more ranged damage, 10% less melee damage.
C. Gain between 5% and 30% damage scaling with current toughness. The lower the toughness the more damage. - (Team support/coherency)
A. 25% more toughness replenishment for the Diviner and ally's in coherency.
B. 50% immunity to stuns and suppression for the Diviner and ally's in coherency.
C. The aura is increased from 15% stamina recovery to 25% stamina recovery - (defensive)
A. For each enemy within 10m gain 5% more movement speed up to a maximum of 5 stacks.
B. Completely absorb a hit every 20 seconds.
C. After losing invunerability gain 33% toughness DR for 5 seconds. - (Offensive)
A. Precognition now stacks 5 times.
B. Glimpsing a target is 33% faster.
C. (Something staff related)
A. Twist fate now gives invulnerability to everyone in coherency.
B. Twist fate no longer gives ally's crit chance but gives the Diviner 150% more crit damage for 5 seconds.
C. Regening toughness reduces the ults cooldown, where 1% of toughness corresponds to 1% ult cooldown.
Likely some rough edges.
spice veldt
a debuff blitz is pretty interesting
wet belfry
Cant steal the kill from the blitz if the blitz doesn’t kill 
spice veldt
having to juggle to your blitz is something that I'd like to be more involved in the gameplay loop
wet belfry
Get screwed veterans
spice veldt
maybe add in some more distinction between dodging melee attacks and dodging ranged attacks
wet belfry
You mean like differnent bonuses?
vestal raven
You mean like differnent bonuses?
looks fun as hell nice work
wet belfry
I think better ways to make glimpse may be for it to asap apply 45% more damage and 8 rending, instead of stacks.
It would be annoying to have to cycle through multiple targets trying to get glimpse to stack 2 times on all of them
Mabye also make attacks against glimpsed targets refund all peril used?
Does that encourage it enough in the gameplay loop?
Its also hard to say furthermore since im pretty sure force swords are the actual unique weapon to the psyker psykinetic.
Future psyker classes are unlikely to have access to this weapon.
spice veldt
Mabye also make attacks against glimpsed targets refund all peril used?
maybe as a feat depending on how much peril is refunded
elder sage
Alright. Why is Psyker penances so easy
I'm level 12. And I have the second Psykana hood
spice veldt
Its trauma
guess I'm playing psyker psykinetic forever
wet belfry
guess I'm playing psyker psykinetic forever
RIP
But i might be wrong, but thats what it shows when you select the class atleast.
spice veldt
i hadn't really considered the possibility of class-specific staffs with how few staffs there are, but that makes sense when looking at other classes
spice veldt
Alright. Why is Psyker penances so easy
they decided to give us free handouts i guess
none of them are "fuck your team over" penances in particular, so I'm fine with them
round jay
none of them are "fuck your team over" penances in particular, so I'm fine with ...
You forgot about the old "going out with a bang" 
spice veldt
yeah the out with a bang and malleus monstronum
spice veldt
having people ask in pubs is annoying
round jay
They just have to accept doing nothing for 45s 
spice veldt
and I've had two weird teammates who were presumably friends, and the psyker only BBed bosses while the other teammate hung back
out with a bang previously requiring 3 elite kills is quite whack because of the rather dedicated effort
round jay
Now it’s only one kill in private game, that’s fine I guess
spice veldt
out with a bang is public i think unless they just changed it
since I got it in a pub game (completely intentionally) the day the patch released
round jay
I thought they moved it to redacted
spice veldt
yeah it's redacted but being private-only is a different category
i know that malleus monstronum has some yellow text saying that you can only complete it in privates
round jay
Ok, every redacted isn’t private only
tired estuary
it also only requires you to kill one elite now
round jay
Was 3 elite before
round jay
much more possible for it to happen accidentally
Each time I tried my ragers weren’t damaged enough to die, I made my team lost from it once 
shut matrix
Comms plex at the elevators was the place to do it
Just wait for a group of shot/gunners to spawn and blow em all up
They spawn in groups of 3+ at the same time then funnel through one spot, so it was easy
austere sandal
my first usable 550 rating weapon
raw otter
what is it even that helm for female psyker?
didn't see as premium cosmetic but i guess it is still unused
vestal raven
my first usable 550 rating weapon
whats good about the las pistol and is that the blessings you'd go for everytime
round jay
what is it even that helm for female psyker?
didn't see as premium cosmetic but...
You can get it from penance since the last patch
raw otter
You can get it from penance since the last patch
is it really the same?
round jay
I think so
fierce sinew
the male version comes with a mask
raw otter
the male version comes with a mask
same for female
fierce sinew
unless the female version is different they aren't the same
round jay
There’s not always a mask, there is 2 or 3 iteration of this skin
raw otter
still an unused content that they did not insert
rip
like the armor of ogryn
they have a mask both
meanwhile in the trailer spotlight of psyker you can see it is kinda different also
gloomy yarrow
Why can’t we just get what we pay for
cyan notch
what did u pay for
gloomy yarrow
Darktide
raw otter
right
cyan notch
u got darktide
raw otter
they still need to release the content that was meant to be released at launch
meager plinth
With the way they have cosmetics setup, there are multiple asset that are used for multiple cosmetics
For example, the gas mask from vet's highest tier from the recent penance will be used in multiple helmets, including the one from promo material
Zealot has a paid gas-mask that will be used by different classes too
raw otter
yea actually the mask from one of the vet's helm is the same of new helmet with mask of psyker with the breathers thingies
meager plinth
The metal blindfold for psyker will also appear with variants with different other cosmetics
Almost every cosmetics also has recolors
raw otter
there are so many cosmetics unused in the game files yet to be released
were leaked since beta also
meager plinth
For metallics you mostly have silver, iron, gold and red
For cloth there is a wide amount of camo + the colors used for the base prison outfit + black leather
steel egret
u got darktide
log in on janktide.
austere sandal
whats good about the las pistol and is that the blessings you'd go for everytime
ghost is good, other perk doesnt matter as much imo, but i mostly use laspistol for speedruns. also only hav crit cuz it was t4 perk and didnt wanna roll any longer lol
olive ember
everyone talking about the third mask
but no one is talking about the first mask smh
meager plinth
Also there's a reskin of the vasti hammerhand armor with the colors of this one, grey with green accents
static agate
Which cosmetic from Penances is the one with cape?
Also, under Penances it says "Redacted", does that mean I cant finish those penances anymore?
fierce sinew
yes, they left them in the game rather than removing them to taunt you personally
you can only look at them
pay no mind to the new tooltip specifically telling you that some of them can only be completed in private matches
or the patch notes with changes to the conditions required to unlock others
crystal jolt
Damn who hurt you bro
long wharf
People who would rather ask strangers a question instead of doing a quick Google search
Or any thinking of their own
crystal jolt
Where do you think we are?
spice veldt
i think they're bugged in the sense of you not receiving the cosmetics based off of this bug thread
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-missing-penance-cosmetics/79161
otherwise, the "redacted" category is explained by this section of the patch notes
north cradle
People who would rather ask strangers a question instead of doing a quick Google...
You can just call them Redditors, we all know who they are
crude cape
am i alright with these curios? Obviously ideally all would be 21% hp but working on that.
I just kinda went for max stats lol, but i feel like i could drop a few toughness/hp% and get some more dmg resistances
im still kind of constantly spending mats rolling up curios all the time, its just such an rng fest lol
north cradle
I'd say you're good as is as long as you can reliably dodge Snipers
crude cape
I usually do, but when i dont its a PITA for sure
how many sniper resist mods would you run?
i could reroll a 5% max HP to sniper resist
north cradle
All three of my Curios are Sniper Resist, but I'm not at my computer to show you at the moment
crude cape
oh thats intense
north cradle
They're all the same perks. Toughness Regen Speed, Corruption Resistance, and Sniper Resist
crude cape
they are like, one of the most run-ending random things to happen
ah, i wasnt going for corruption resist
just kinda rng'd into it
north cradle
I once got slapped by a Mutant and then thrown towards a Sniper. That was frustrating.
crude cape
ya lol ive been thrown into bombers too
or been about to push a bomber and had a mutant or dog jump me from behiind
thats the worst
75% max HP just sounds so juicy
north cradle
That might work better for me than Corruption Resist
twilit flicker
You can just call them Redditors, we all know who they are
You don't even need Reddit or Google, you can use the search function here. But don't let that stop you from finding more sources ...
north cradle
I meant that more as in Redditors don't know what they're doing, what they're talking about, or how to use a search engine
twilit flicker
In the same vein, not just Redditors
tall maple
Pulled this off the Melkman. Any suggestions on how to improve?
twilit flicker
Pulled this off the Melkman. Any suggestions on how to improve?
Use the search function lol, but I hear warp flurry is very good on void. I don't use that staff though ... maybe replace crit with unarmoured?
tall maple
Maybe yeah. I'm not savvy with using void. Surge is what I usually run.
desert vault
Warp Flurry and Transfer Peril are extremely strong on Void. You can throw bowling balls of warpfire down a long corridor at head level endlessly. The multiple headshots from each cast will keep your peril at near-0. Synergizes well with the gain toughness when quelling peril feat.
ionic needle
Pulled this off the Melkman. Any suggestions on how to improve?
Swap sustained fire for transfer peril and crit for some other +damage perk like maniac
tall maple
Swap sustained fire for transfer peril and crit for some other +damage perk like...
Oh yeah sustained fire was coming off like a tick. If the window was larger between shots it might be useful.
near wyvern
Pulled this off the Melkman. Any suggestions on how to improve?
Sustained fire into transfer peril and crit chance into +unarmoured
near wyvern
Swap sustained fire for transfer peril and crit for some other +damage perk like...
+maniac is not that good on void, you do abysmal damage to dreg ragers with and without
The only reason to hit them with a void if you can't BB is to CC or kill mobs before/after them
ornate hamlet
What is up with Dumdum?
Far as I can tell, it doesn't obey "close range" and has infinite. On the other hand, it also has a hidden requirement of not missing a shot
The best part is it's not continuous fire
ionic needle
Worth it for Surge?
ornate hamlet
You can mix it with something like sustained fire on certain guns and fire in bursts while still getting both bonuses as long as you hit
The perks are a bit bad, but I think it'd be fun to use
If you're running force sword that sprint is useful
ionic needle
I mean grabbing it just for the blessing, I don't even like using trauma haha
Could be fun someday though
olive ember
+maniac is not that good on void, you do abysmal damage to dreg ragers with and ...
the real question is... why are you using void
unreal harness
I've concluded the Illisi is hands-down way better than the other fswords, has anyone else concluded otherwise?
north solstice
they both serve different roles
fierce sinew
yeah
north solstice
illisi is by far one of the best melee for horde control in the game let alone psyker
but deimos is absolutely fucking crazy for single target dmg
unreal harness
Word, I was just making sure I wasn't missing something
north solstice
no sweat boo
unreal harness
Thanks psyker fam, you guys are alright
loud lichen
Mmm bull butcher 3 is => illisi for wave clear
unreal harness
Idc what the other chats say about yall
ornate hamlet
People still like the deimos, but I'd argue that's partially because the huge damage from the pokes makes using the special a lot less necessary
Illisi's special is just too comfy for me to use another FS
unreal harness
That makes sense, that poke go hard
north solstice
i love strokin my sword
fierce sinew
the fact that the h2 is so good you don't need to activate says a lot
ornate hamlet
No camera and animation lock, just woosh
north solstice
Mmm bull butcher 3 is => illisi for wave clear
"one of the best"
unreal harness
- you can spam Illisi special to generate peril
Other swords you can't use it if it's already active
loud lichen
It's sad that I want my warp resistance Stat on illisi to be low 😅
north solstice
they do in fact need to show my boy obscurus some love
olive ember
Obscurus is the pointless one
Obscures forever ;-;
don't worry you'll get buffed one day
or the other FS will get nerfed
unreal harness
I used obscurus for the longest, I only just tried the other 2 today
I was missing out gd
north solstice
honestly
unreal harness
I could have been clutching so many more missions lol
ember sentinel
yeah obscurus needs something lol
im not sure what since deimos and illisi already serve 2 very important roles
unreal harness
The stick is just too disruptive like yeah I might get the one rager, but the other 4 are gonna kill me while I'm stuck lmao
ember sentinel
making it redundant to deimos/illisi just means it comes down to which you like more
loud lichen
Obscurus could be interesting if it had soulfire on crit innate
olive ember
meanwhile illisi can do two charge heavies while back dodging and the deimos just stabs
I mean soulfire on crit would have to depend on A) crit and B) how many stacks
ember sentinel
yeah it would need to be a very strong SB
loud lichen
T4 blessing ^_^
olive ember
the problem with blazing spirit in general is that you kill most of the things you hit anyways and it would need to be a crit which no one builds for
meager plinth
Maybe when the crit damage perk actually works 
olive ember
even with obscures tbh, once you get slaughterer stacks up you start killing most things you hit
unreal harness
Honestly if the obscurus charged attack just like staggered/stunned all the other mobs near you when you use it, might not be so bad
loud lichen
Wildfire + t4 slaughter is hilarious
ember sentinel
just turn the obscurus into a big 2 handed force sword
unreal harness
I don't think that suites the name lol
meager plinth
Honestly if the obscurus charged attack just like staggered/stunned all the othe...
Yeah but illisi would just kill instead of stagger
ember sentinel
no it doesnt but it would be cool
unreal harness
Based
olive ember
I mean its weird in the sense that the special is kinda... bad
unreal harness
Making Deimos 2-handed but keep it the same stat-wise would be base
olive ember
its supposed to be this big hitter
unreal harness
d
ember sentinel
although i think i heard there is a 2 handed force sword in the works
olive ember
but the deimos literally out dps the special via normal l1 h2 combo
meager plinth
It's an issue that will happen often if we get 3 marks of each weapon, the middle ground one will be overshadowed
olive ember
probably would need a dmg buff all around and then figure out wtf to do with the special
ember sentinel
deimos light 1 with slaughterer does more damage then obscurus anything in my exp
other than maybe the special
thats slight hyperbole but still
olive ember
I mean heres the biggest issue: the obscures should have better horde clear than the deimos, better single target than the illisi
it does neither rn
the obscures technically has better single target burst vs the illisi, but that doesn't mean much when 4 maulers show up and you are stuck in animation with obscures while the illisi just back dodge spam while using 3 charged heavies
ember sentinel
that would be an insane weapon wouldnt it
cause illisi single target isnt that bad
i can 2 shot mutants
meager plinth
Obscurus would need to find and fill its own niche to fit into
long wharf
Obscurus doesn't have a role
olive ember
I mean they would need to buff the special to like thammer levels
long wharf
it's been made... obscure
olive ember
to rly stand out
hes finally said it
we've all been thinking it but hes finally made the pun
but yeah its weird in that even though the single target burst is technically better than the illisi, (like with the right setup you can one shot crushers)
the fucking stickiness means that in the time you are in animation lock the illisi can do like 2 charged heavies
meager plinth
Maybe if it's special was more explosive
Make it explode after the kill so it can benefit from bloodthirsty
wet belfry
Thunder hammer route would make it more unique
Psyker doesnt really have a boss killer weapon.
ember sentinel
T hammer type would be cool
olive ember
I mean
the deimos special and the obscures special are the exact same
its just that no one uses the deimos special cuz
meager plinth
We already know there is a 2H force sword in the works so it might be that
olive ember
normal l1 h2 combo out damages it without needing to go into animation lock
wet belfry
I also wish the dueling swords were actually viable in comparision to deimos.
meager plinth
Otherwise a rework that makes the obscurus more péril hungry could be fun, and make use of that peril reduction on weak spot hit
Deimos is what dueling swords should of been
High mobility high damage
wet belfry
The heavys on mk5 are actually pretty good
The lights however let down the weapon and so do the blessings.
olive ember
Dueling swords were B tier the moment they removed the move tech
and then they released the deimos which is basically just dueling sword but better
meager plinth
They aren't unusable, they just dont match the power of the other options
olive ember
I mean nothing is unusable tbh
I can bring a revolver + claw sword and make it work kekw
green igloo
sorry to interrupt but thoughts on this proposal sparkies?
olive ember
Our explosion barely does any damage
maybe enough to take out a rager
thats about it
meager plinth
sorry to interrupt but thoughts on this proposal sparkies?
I like it, do it slab
green igloo
thank you
near wyvern
the real question is... why are you using void
I'm not, I am a trauma enjoyer
olive ember
good
I tried trauma last game
I kept almost blowing up
I swear I was 10/50 in progress before that last game on trauma lmao
meager plinth
If you aren't constantly on the verge on dying are you really a psyker?
olive ember
I mean I am
just that normally I don't go over cuz its easy to tell
meanwhile the trauma is like "haha random +30 peril event"
meager plinth
That or get the 6 warp charges with the 6% warp resist per charge
And keep chaining till everything went pop
spice veldt
main trauma for your entire life and you'll learn to never blow up with it
unreal harness
Trauma more like...
Nah
unreal harness
"Yeah, I watch political debates online" 
olive ember
"Yeah, I watch political debates online" <:chadogryn:1062460121709563924>
trump vs biden debate?
meager plinth
But if I get warp res I can do many more explosions
olive ember
that shit was whack lmao
unreal harness
I did watch the presidential, I meant like the
Like content creators that do that
meager plinth
unreal harness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-dX1mnSbrU
That was pretty funny
late yew
Wait, does psyker call Emperor "My Beloved"?
ornate hamlet
One of them does
twilit flicker
Could be a part of his own imagination too couldn't it? I believe psykers can see through time and stuff like that, at least the powerful ones.
meager plinth
or yea that too
but the whatever it is, our psyker talks about a lot of subjects with it and knows a lot
things that they shouldnt know at all
twilit flicker
But "sanctioned psykers" are connected to him somehow so it could actually be him (the emperor). Is that right?
True, but we are rejects and rejects hear a lot of things. The psykers most of all. Imagine being cell mates with a psychopath, oh but you can hear his thoughts.
It's bound to have an effect on you.
olive ember
I mean the fact that he thinks everyone is just a part of his dream and that they could just vanish if he chose to is a bit
concerning
just psyker things I suppose
twilit flicker
It's probably just a way of coping, sad to think about actually.
Shutter Island or Inception levels of crazy.
The fact that it could be him though hahaha.
late yew
One of them does
Only one of them uses that phrase at all
late yew
things that they shouldnt know at all
Like what?
weak galleon
Warp Flurry Lvl4 worth it to spend coins on it?
jaunty moth
i would
granite dust
worth
ornate hamlet
As far as shit goes, how stinky this boi?
I'm gonna change rampage because 12% oofie ow oof oof
Just not sure what blessings the sword has that are semi-competent
granite dust
Warp Flurry Lvl4 worth it to spend coins on it?
imo the best combination for Purgatus is :
WarpNexus (4) + WarpFlurry (1-4)
WarpNexus (4) + Focus Channeling (2)
with:
Perk: Ranged Crit Strike +5%
jaunty moth
this game hates me lol.
weak galleon
imo the best combination for Purgatus is :
WarpNexus (4) + WarpFlurry (1-4)
War...
That's what I got for now.
far from optimal on Burn, but still better than the one I had.
granite dust
far from optimal on Burn, but still better than the one I had.
i know your pain - one i have is my ... 4th or 5th... almost perfect:
jaunty moth
lmao
flat moth
Siblings, Illisi or Deimos?
granite dust
Siblings, Illisi or Deimos?
Both - depends on you role / build / staff etc.
granite dust
Imo if you have purgatus (horde controle) you should have something for killing elites with 1-2 shoots (powered)
flat moth
I mean deimos blows heads nicely but i get stuck, kinda lethal in hordes
gonna experiment with both of them tho
granite dust
it's always best idea to try both and choose what suits you best 🙂
flat moth
Will do then, i was just curious if one is better than another
spice veldt
trauma is so much more fun than i remember when leveling my psyker
what 2.5 to 1 second charge rate scaling does to a staff
lethal folio
Seer knows Guilliman was resurrected using Eldar magic.
blissful mural
Will do then, i was just curious if one is better than another
can only speak for my self, but illisi is amazing, slices through hordes, and with rending can take heavies pretty well
\
prisma copper
so is unstable power work having or is it just shit
like up to 5% power with peril, like Itll only get 5% power at max peril? thats kinda weak af
lunar hollow
the tooltip is fraudulent
blissful mural
yeah i never use that, though maybe someone has a different take on it
lunar hollow
when it says up to X%, thats actually each stack
blissful mural
what
blissful mural
great, ive been ditching level 4 of this blessing on plenty of great swords
thanks for the info m8
lunar hollow
np
fatshark tooltips more often than not actually do something different than what they tell you
primal plume
Know whats funny? Psykenetics Wrath can proc Kinetic Flayer
prisma copper
when it says up to X%, thats actually each stack
Oh so this is up to 25%?
spice veldt
up to 20% since you don't get a stack at 100%
prisma copper
ahh fair well thats not too shabby then
so that with slaughter 4 is pretty shmeaty
spice veldt
a particular breakpoint that you reach with unstable power, t4 slaught, 4 warp charges, and warp unleashed is that your minimum bodyshot cleave damage of the heavy-special deals 200+ damage
which means you have the potential to one-shot 28-ish groaners with a heavy-special at 40%-ish peril
primal plume
Why cant we use our powers to lift heavy objects? Are we stupid?
lethal swan
Do or do not. There is no try
spice veldt
go lock yourself in arkham city
primal plume
If you started a lock-on cast at 97% and the target has died and it instantly went on to another target, you can finish the cast without exploding. This even applies if theres no target at all. So long as you never let go of left click when you started the lock-on charge, you will be safe.
meager cedar
The real telekinesis is the ability to carry the whole team
lethal swan
Ok M.O.D.O.K.
primal plume
Imagine being a heretic just munching on some rot and this fucking thing comes at you
lethal swan
Right?
flat moth
almost perfect but in upgrading salvo didnt notice rn n gun cuckery
:C
Redlocks kinda cringe ngl
cold geode
i want Ravenors chair
distant lynx
just got this, guess its time to try the BS/Shred meme build
pine relic
Is surge good
pine relic
ok. I'm gonna skip it then.
shadow wigeon
PSA if you are rolling Purg or Surge, and want flurry/nexus, always re-roll your first blessing to Terryfying Barrage so you are guaranteed Nexus/Flurry combo (assuming you get a T4).
pine relic
yeah. I know that trick. the staff blessing pool is just so small.
pine relic
I don't use Trauma, the explosions always hurt my eyes.
forest coral
surely less blinding than purg fire right
gilded magnet
deft gorge
drip check?
vestal raven
solid
shadow wigeon
that's a mighty low quell speed... but should i care?
Not really
You don't need to quell with purg very often, although you can notice the difference with passive and active quelling.
Weirdly Barrage 4 may be helpful in getting your other T4 blessings
edgy finch
already have warp nexus 4
this be my current staff. not sure if the new one will be better enough to warrant 2900 melk bucks :/
shadow wigeon
this be my current staff. not sure if the new one will be better enough to warra...
I would hard pass, then.
That staff isn’t necessarily better anyway…
lunar hollow
i have joined the drip club
lunar hollow
the price we pay for cool headgear that doesnt look like you're wearing a toilet seat
forest coral
its such a cool mask and eyepiece
but the game really do be saying, "woe, bowlcut upon thee"
north cradle
Bottom scripture
formal ridge
nice dood, thx
formal ridge
the price we pay for cool headgear that doesnt look like you're wearing a toilet...
im loving the toilet seat lately
white cedar
when you hate surge staff and Melk selling you this
edgy finch
That staff isn’t necessarily better anyway…
That's what i was figuring. Thanks for the input, always good to know whether to save the melk bucks or not
fierce sinew
that staff is definitely better, whether it's enough better to justify the cost is up to you though
formal ridge
nice dood, thx
ffml
north cradle
Dank
limber silo
Rip, nice staff except for the one little issue
north cradle
Piss
cyan notch
ruined
dawn crypt
PSA if you are rolling Purg or Surge, and want flurry/nexus, always re-roll your...
whats this mean? pre-roll while ur item is purple before u consecrate upgrade it?
orchid shadow
whats this mean? pre-roll while ur item is purple before u consecrate upgrade i...
Yeah. Since you have T4 Terrifying Barrage in the only slot you can modify after you reroll, the only two T4 blessings you can get are Nexus and Flurry since there are only 3 T4 blessings available.
dawn crypt
What if it rolls a T1-3 blessing? how do u guarantee a T4?
How does rolling a T4 terrifying barrage secure the 2nd blessing
orchid shadow
It doesn't guarantee it per se. Since RNG things. But if it happens to roll a T4 for your orange blessing, it's not going to be a useless Terrifying Barrage since it's already on there. All you're doing is decreasing the pool so that it's either Nexus or Flurry IF it rolls a T4
formal ridge
whats this mean? pre-roll while ur item is purple before u consecrate upgrade i...
thx I did that, but with rending shockwave
dawn crypt
Oh
formal ridge
but I got surge
formal ridge
PSA if you are rolling Purg or Surge, and want flurry/nexus, always re-roll your...
thx I did that but I got Surge (on trauma)
dawn crypt
It doesn't guarantee it per se. Since RNG things. But if it happens to roll ...
Can you do this with other wep types?
or only staff since they have less blessing options]
formal ridge
Can you do this with other wep types?
basically you want to take out all 4 tiers of a blessing that you dont want to get
formal ridge
Can you do this with other wep types?
any but on surge its a guarantee if u get a tier 4
manic palm
orchid shadow
Can you do this with other wep types?
Not really. It kinda only applies to the Surge and the Purge since they only have 3 available T4s. Trauma has 7 T4 possibilities and Void has 6
manic palm
dawn crypt
So that means surge is the easiest staff to get a perfect version of
orchid shadow
Well, technically you can still do it on the other two, but you still have the chances of getting something like.. I dunno. Run and Gun. =/
dawn crypt
Is this the perfect surge staff?
Do u have to do it with terrifying barrage 4 ? what if u use 1 2 or 3?
The idea is just to eliminate the possibility of getting 1 of the blessings u dont want. So u just need any placeholder right?
orchid shadow
Close enough, really. The rolls could've been a little better with higher rolls for everything else and quell being the dump stat. I run Flak and Maniac, since I haven't found one yet to roll with Crit
dawn crypt
But you might still end upp getting Warp Flurry or Nexus 1 2 or 3 . and then ur stuck with that and u can at least still replace the terrifying barrage to something useful
formal ridge
Well, technically you can still do it on the other two, but you still have the c...
still will increase probability if the randomness is truly random
dawn crypt
But crit perk is ideal?
So the only flaw to that staff is the modifier stat allocation
orchid shadow
That's the idea. If you have either a Warp 4 or Nexus 4 already in the bag, then you're at least set to replace the Terrifying Barrage with one of them
dawn crypt
I really liked surge staff when there was animation cancel
formal ridge
The idea is just to eliminate the possibility of getting 1 of the blessings u d...
anyhthing with 4 tiers
dawn crypt
At least they fixed Warp flurry which was broken on surge staff
orchid shadow
I don't know, I'd have to get a crit staff to try. 🙂
lunar hollow
im a trauma main now
shadow wigeon
im a trauma main now
word
lunar hollow
way more fun than being a gremlin and running illisi + autopistol
dawn crypt
My situation is this. I'm still missing a lot of blessings that i need to learn.
So I find grey quality templates that are as close to 380 as possible with good modifiers , and i consecrate them 2 times, if it bricks, then i dont invest the 700 plasteel on the final consecrate. But if i played more, then I will because that allows me to have 2 chances to fish for 2 blessings.
shadow wigeon
But you might still end upp getting Warp Flurry or Nexus 1 2 or 3 . and then ur ...
Anecdotally the higher level your weapon is when you consecrate the higher odds of getting a T4 blessing
Thus, adding Barrage T4 as your first blessing makes it more likely you'll get a T4 a the other blessing
dawn crypt
Anecdotally the higher level your weapon is when you consecrate the higher odds ...
OHHHHHH didnt know that........ so thats why u want to reroll a placeholding T4 blessing.
orchid shadow
Anecdotally the higher level your weapon is when you consecrate the higher odds ...
Is that.. a proven thing?
lunar hollow
another thing to note is since patch 9 there's been a reported increase in t3/t4 blessings
like, ive personally been getting way fuckin more
i upgraded a single trauma staff, boom t4 rending shockwave on gold
shadow wigeon
Is that.. a proven thing?
So, I've asked this many times, but I will provide my own anedotal evidence. I have only been rolling 370+ in the lat 3 days, and i have rolled 14/16 T4's
We know there is a tier (u sub 300) that rolled low blessings
I strongly suspect it scales up
dawn crypt
If everyone has T4 perfectly rolled weapons, it either means players will get bored of the game, or it means theyre adding more weapons / content/ increase difficulty (or nerfs)
lunar hollow
whether that's old and abandoned content or a framework for future stuff is unknown
there's also tier 5 blessings in the code that have been datamined
orchid shadow
Holy, really. I haven't upgraded anything since the patch since I blew 20k on trying to get a decent autopistol. The pain is still fresh.
lunar hollow
before patch 9 i upgraded like 12 autopistols on vet, no pinning fire
right after the patch i got it
i spent a week no-lifing this game for thrust 4 on thammer, wasted like 20k plasteel
shadow wigeon
Holy, really. I haven't upgraded anything since the patch since I blew 20k on t...
thanks to roll-for-rarity mod I just blew all my ordo dockets on 370+s
lunar hollow
patch 9 drops, one of my first gold consecrates, tier 4 thrust
(i only upgraded above 350, but still)
dawn crypt
So having a high base weapon rating is also important to getting T4 ?
shadow wigeon
Either
- I've just been lucky, 20+ odd rolls in a row
- There's an item tier that is very near to absolute max that has high likelihood of T4's
- they changed something in the last patch (although this may be a coincidence, because I also changed behaviour since the patch
orchid shadow
It seems like something that would be important to include in the patch notes. =/
lunar hollow
from every single player ive talked to about this, theyve noticed an increase in t4s since the patch
orchid shadow
Confirmation bias is a thing. 😛
shadow wigeon
If it's not a coincidence, then it's a huge change. At this point I'm surprised to see NOT a T4
dawn crypt
I think we need to just keep using shitty weapons and save up 50K plasteel and wait 1 year. 🙂
orchid shadow
Welp, time to go shopping. And I know my luck, which is to say, incredibly crappy, so this will be interesting.
shadow wigeon
I ran +30% ordo dockets for awhile just to pad the bank roll
Another patch change I have not seen discussed..... Slaughter stacks now instantly vanish when you switch off your sword.
I suspect they are slowly changing all the +power to dots effects
orchid shadow
That was in an earlier patch, so people couldn't abuse stuff like Crucian Roulette
shadow wigeon
No, this is recent. I've been running Wildfire and I noticed the change thispatch
you could carry slaughter over on staff, and you had time to get 4 shots off and switch back
Now they immediately disappear
orchid shadow
Oh, hmm.
shadow wigeon
Psykanium testing looks like the damage drops right away, so I suspect they are truly gone, and not just a UI change.
native moat
Mods can see other players builds? Wow
ionic frost
Mods can see other players builds? Wow
Usually when someone tanks the run, their build is atrocious.
Sometimes the bots are just better...
Vote to give bots three +3 stamina curios!
orchid shadow
Can someone tell me what the appeal of the Devil Claw is? It feels like I'm flailing a damp tissue using it.
dawn crypt
the damage is so low
its supposedly a horde wep ? and the parry move has some tricks to it
allows u to block boss attacks with 0 stam or something
the parry that is
native moat
Well it looks nice I guess
Claws situation is described with that almost drowning baby in a pool meme
vestal raven
is the mk5 the good dueling sword?
cyan notch
yea
vestal raven
what blessings and perks are you looking for
lunar hollow
vestal raven
just got uncanny
cyan notch
uncanny shred rampage up to u
lunar hollow
i'd probably say uncanny > shred/rampage
uncanny seems more necessary than the other 2 to me
vestal raven
gotcha
white cedar
for science 😂
thick carbon
why is it that Cadian vets in particular almost always seem to be the worst to be matched with? had one on Damnation that shot a burster that spawned in right next to me while I was within the blast radius and then just said "fuck you" when I asked them why. they then ran off alone and ended up being pounced on by a hound and cussing us out for not coming to help them within two seconds of them being jumped
ionic frost
No cure for stupid.
forest coral
because they lasted just as long as cadia did
ionic frost
@thick carbon Was this their build?:
thick carbon
<@357734476392169474> Was this their build?:
nah, they had a bolter
ionic frost
I wonder if they had the same feats tho... =D
olive ember
I mean if they are running trash or meme they are either incredibly good or complete trash
you tend to figure it out by the third doorframe
olive ember
for science 😂
Prepare to disappointment
Tho I heard nexus + blazing spirit on trauma could be almost meta
like it holds up with warp flurry + rending shockwave
on trauma
north cradle
Finished all the new Psyker penances, who should I do next
olive ember
Uh
north cradle
I saw that
white cedar
Prepare to disappointment
yep, I will keep it until I have Surge blessing 😂
white cedar
Tho I heard nexus + blazing spirit on trauma could be almost meta
you mean this?
ornate abyss
Guys w
what
is the strongest melee weapon for psyker?
Now that I have an almost perfect voidstrike
I want a good sword
so what do I pick? What blessings do I look for in melk shop
white cedar
is the strongest melee weapon for psyker?
in case you want hord clearer use mk.5
obtuse moth
illisi for hordes deimos for hard targets
white cedar
if you want boss stabber use mk.4
ornate abyss
I guess surviveability is priority
ornate abyss
if you want boss stabber use mk.4
right so what other blessing are you looking for
slaughterer 4?
white cedar
slaughterer/uncanny ,imo
I usually leave boss killing to my friend so I use mk.5 mainly
ornate abyss
Psyker is not really a boss killer
white cedar
mk.4 can oneshot mutant thou
ornate hamlet
With kinetic barrage they might as well be
forest coral
Kb psyker still does more boss damage than most other set ups out there
vestal raven
good so far?
vestal raven
with perk should i re roll? and what is really the use case for the dueling sword
forest coral
well, flak and maniac
is good
the blessings on the ds are mostly garbage
Think of it as a slightly less mobile knife with marginally better horde clear and ok ability to deal with elites
its got very good dodge distance and stam recov tho
forest coral
thing with duelling sword and rampage
i htink u have to do push attack or something to procc 3 hits
white cedar
any damage will do
forest coral
otherwise rampage benefits wont happen
white cedar
look at that 51 damage
forest coral
eh its ok at dealing with small horde
vestal raven
uhh the blessings are garbage wtf
vestal raven
wtf is this
forest coral
Im just gonna be honest
if u want same playstyle but actually effective
just use the deimos lol
vestal raven
yeah
vestal raven
i got these two , why even use the dueling
forest coral
ye, it be like that
white cedar
at lease we have more option than Sieana
white cedar
I wish they make Roguelike mode like VT2
forest coral
i miss their jank ass playstyle sometimes
white cedar
chain lightning in critical is really fun
forest coral
i dont think there's enough map variety atm for them to do the roguelike
since all maps are just existing amalgamations of each other already
forest coral
ye, maybe in a years time when more content or someting
but id be down, chaos wastes is one of my fav things
forest coral
this isn't an mmo sir
olive ember
shush its got the endless grind of an mmo
forest coral
can u imagine
"medpack on ping"
"DPS on my call"
"Reposition, he's transitioning"
"Shieldgryn tank griefing"
"ranged dps phase only, melee stack"
olive ember
It would be glorious
mfw when "kill count in the thousands" was last tuesday because of how fucking powercrept our "rejects" are in game
golden tartan
The emperor protects
forest coral
most I experienced was 6 but that was because endless swarm bug
we still lost that one in the end 
rain birch
Difference between mark v and mark 2 dueling sword? The rest seem the same as v appreciate any info
olive ember
idr cuz dueling swords are off meta
pretty sure one has actual slashes for overheads and the other has pokes
cyan notch
Difference between mark v and mark 2 dueling sword? The rest seem the same as v ...
mk2 has much worse heavies
4 hit light
fierce sinew
mkv has 2 stats that contribute to mobility instead of just 1 like the others
so it's better than them at being a dedicated zoom stick
you're still better off crabwalking with deimos though so it's big whatever
forest coral
primal plume
What does this do? Ive seen shooters get feared but does it not do anything for melee?
fierce sinew
it does either nothing or close to nothing depending on the weapon it's on
the effecting range overlaps so much with the effective suppression area of a staff in use that it might do literally nothing
olive ember
It used to be used because most staves had literally nothing else to put on staffs
but since warp flurry got fixed pretty much every staff runs that and/or warp nexus
fierce sinew
I ran run n gun in that slot and to this day think it's the better alternative
(in a no flurry world)
and run n gun is bad
near gale
Which of these 2 perks would you keep on this surge staff?
My thoughts are maybe the crit hit damage... since the staff isn't very good against unyielding enemies
fierce sinew
what's the crit delta with an 80 roll?
near gale
Nevermind, my friend kept the crit damage on it so I guess it's a moot point lol
He's gonna send me a pic of what the bonuses are
fierce sinew
the tab screen is what you're interested in
olive ember
Which of these 2 perks would you keep on this surge staff?
yeah crit damage aint it
near gale
fierce sinew
the reason crit damage perks are almost always bad is you aren't getting n% of the total damage a crit does, you're getting n% of the difference in damage between a crit and a normal hit
near gale
Yeah, but, unyielding damage on a surge staff is meager at best
fierce sinew
it is, but you're at least getting 20% of it
and you get it all the time on unyielding
near gale
generally if I have to choose between my surge staff and brain burst vs an ogryn/monster I choose the brain burst
Unless it's a crusher
maybe
fierce sinew
oh yeah, neither is very good
near gale
They went with 5% crit instead of unyielding on their staff
fierce sinew
but the crit damage one on flak for example, is giving you 8% of 74
you get less than 6
points
near gale
Yeah, both suck... so I don't really think they cared which one they kept
fierce sinew
of extra damage, and only on crit
oh it's 8%
fixed, but you still see the point
unyielding isn't your main plan but you'll hit ogryn sometimes just because of how surge works, and you get 66 extra points of damage on non-crit hits there
a t3 perk of an off damage type still gives over 8 times the bonus damage
of crit damage perk
lmao
olive ember
yeah +crit damage is so insanely bad you shouldn't really take it tbh
its basically +weakspot damage
except rng based
Did they not change the peril breakpoints for unstable peril
also when did it stack 5 times
olive ember
huh just a reddit moment I guess
summer prairie
He is looking at the old thresholds (and wrong ones even then) and the other guy remembers the old description saying it stacking five times
olive ember
yeah no hes looking at the archetype thresholds I assume
ah theres an old description stating 5 times?
summer prairie
The old nexus one said five times
olive ember
amazing
granite dust
but it was 5 times stack of 4%? Now it's 5% every 20% of peril
cyan notch
it never stacked 5 times
ornate abyss
Buy?
ionic frost
ew, no way
late yew
I never noticed before that this is actual servitor...
vestal raven
thoughts on a crit based void strike?
meager plinth
can be fun wit surge or blazing spirit
vestal raven
surge is the double lmb right or is it rmb too
meager plinth
both
fluid cove
Surge on voidstrike does in fact affect your charged shots. I have one with 5 Crit, warp nexus and surge. It's a very fun build, but I think the transfer peril/flurry build is better
meager plinth
also might as well point it out, if you crit, only the initial orb will be crit boosted, not the second one
fluid cove
My favorite part about surge is surging a barrel and instasploding the dreg hiding behind the barrel
meager plinth
also exploding your teammate
twilit badger
Why
Void charged shot benefits from Surge blessing
But not charged shot on Trauma
Is it the usual FS mess things up again?
uneven ocean
havent played in a while, did the psyker penance for killing 3 elites in one perils of the warp explosion get removed?
meager plinth
Nah, it was placed in the redacted section and now only require 1
meager plinth
All previous penances are there
uneven ocean
yeah was wondering
shadow wigeon
Is it the usual FS mess things up again?
Well it’s probably more an issue that double shots of trauma would be too strong, and they’ll have to figure something out dormir.
uneven ocean
private game pencance sweet lord finally
twilit badger
Well it’s probably more an issue that double shots of trauma would be too strong...
Then they shouldn't even made it possible to roll surge blessing on Trauma
granite dust
private game pencance sweet lord finally
priv game penances in game without /global or /lf channels ...
twilit badger
Do they really thought that "Yeeeah, people would seek after this blessing on Trauma" when it only applies to uncharged shots
shadow wigeon
thoughts on a crit based void strike?
It’s not particularly impressive. The crit dmg bonus on void is small. Surge is neat in theory but in practice is underwhelming (although the damage benefit is technically pretty big).
twilit badger
It's literally useless
meager plinth
CLEARLY the m1 on staves are good in their mind
twilit badger
Especially so considering that it's unique T4 blessing
uneven ocean
priv game penances in game without /global or /lf channels ...
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
twilit badger
If it was possible to roll surge blessing on Surge staff
Since uncharged shots benefits from staff's bonus critical stats
shadow wigeon
Then they shouldn't even made it possible to roll surge blessing on Trauma
Probably. The benefit of surge on your regular shots is pretty good, but under utilized
twilit badger
It would have been more useful
granite dust
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
Literally sounds like every day in Darktide xD
river sand
surge voidstrike isnt completly useless. if you quell cancel correctly and aim in a way that gives you real benefit ( second shot goes slightly right or left of your first in horde or both shots hit the same elite) the overall damage output can be higher than flurry/transfer peril. but its incredibly more effort you gotta put in to make it work
meager plinth
It's viable but there's better, simpler options
river sand
transfer peril / flurry is easy to use always good. only benefit is you can be more "active" with the surge / nexus variant cause you dont need to keep up flurry stacks, so theres more room for mixed in melee
meager plinth
Tho at the same time you have to keep the high peril
late yew
i wish surge worked on trauma right click
river sand
but i think on trauma it would do even less. after the first explosion every non-elite in range is dead anyway. so it would have impact on elites only
and half of them flew out of the circle from your first explosion
untold spade
Why tf can you roll transfer peril on trauma. Are there big toe weakspots no one told me about?
summer prairie
I think they are changing that to free/reduced peril cost on crit at some point
which is still meh when you need another blessing to make it work
summer prairie
Can't definitely say for every version but no
safe crystal
It never gave you any power at 0 peril
grizzled iris
The Surge Staff has 3 uses:
- CC Groups of Elites / Specials if the situation is getting out of hand.
- Kill and Deal with Flak armoured units.
- CC Shooters so you can approach and kill them with your melee weapon.
People tend to use only the first option, but misstakenly thinking that Elites / Specials = All enemies at all times, no matter the situation at hand.
The Surge Staff is a tool to be used as a secondary weapon, not as a primary weapon like the Purgatus staff.
forest coral
hue
formal ridge
Is it the usual FS mess things up again?
itd be kinda op, basically 100% crit damage bonus every crit
twilit badger
itd be kinda op, basically 100% crit damage bonus every crit
I don't think so
olive ember
The Surge Staff has 3 uses:
1. CC Groups of Elites / Specials if the situation i...
eh the vet just sucks
twilit badger
Because it's still RNG based
olive ember
100% crit damage bonus might actually make crit usable lmao
doesn't the trauma do like
50 more damage on crit
twilit badger
You can't be serious with straight face that i'd be OP
olive ember
so +100% crit damage means now it does 100 more damage on crit
would make crit usable lmao
twilit badger
When blessings like pinning fire and slaughterer exists
sterile vale
formal ridge
a t3 perk of an off damage type still gives over 8 times the bonus damage
except it applies to all enemies for all crits. if you hit 5 nonyielding snd 1 unyielding with an aoe crit that's for example 6 times the 8 percent. 48 vs 70 but every encounter. it's opportunity cost.
formal ridge
so +100% crit damage means now it does 100 more damage on crit
the way surge works now is that it gives a bonus damage equal to a normal attack damage.
whatever percent you want to call it
wet belfry
If a player spams surge and never kills anything they are just a glorifed stun stick the entire match.
formal ridge
plus 400% crit?
wet belfry
And yes those players do suck and are a limited benefit to the team
formal ridge
you see how op that sounds on an aoe attack?
olive ember
I think you are overestimating how good crit is
wait
is this arguing for crit damage on the surge staff
because
im ngl
don't run crit damage on the surge staff
formal ridge
lol
formal ridge
anyone that thinks a 400% crit damage boost isnt overpowered smh
olive ember
400% crit damage would make crit usable
do you even know how crit works in this game
formal ridge
LOL
safe crystal
400% crit damage would mean we would actually reach a usable state with crits. It wouldnt be +20 damage or some other garbage
formal ridge
lol itd be plus 400 damage
formal ridge
talking about trauma staff
safe crystal
For trauma? Well
safe crystal
Crit damage for trauma is (crit damage - base damage) * modifier
olive ember
+400% crit damage is a whole 250 crit instead of 50 crit
formal ridge
yeah but these guys want surge to apply to trauma rmb
olive ember
its a meme
safe crystal
Reaches about 40-50
formal ridge
Reaches about 40-50
this is hilarious
olive ember
surge to apply to trauma isn't that big of a deal?
thats like
also I hope you realize that if its the same as voidstrike the 2nd strike isn't also a crit
formal ridge
plus 400 damage in an aoe blast so multiply 400 times every enemy in the zone
olive ember
except its only on crit, which doesn't happen enough
and 400 isn't that big of a deal
formal ridge
moving goalposts
olive ember
???
well your entitled to your opinion I guess
but
if you think surge on trauma would be broken well
formal ridge
math isnt an opinion lol
safe crystal
Math without knowing the equation is also wrong,so
olive ember
is @spice veldt alive
its like 8 AM and im going to sleep
Even if surge worked on trauma RMB it would literally be worse than voidstrike surge
we literally have an example of surge working on rmb with voidstrike and its a meme
trauma would be the exact same, except worse. Fishing for crits, and when you get a crit the 2nd explosion does nothing because the first explosion actively either kills the trash in the middle, or knocks enemies away from the epicenter so the 2nd explosion does less damage
atleast voidstrike has built in 6 cleave limit so a 2nd ball can actually do something
tired estuary
put surge on surge staff so you can surge while you're surging
olive ember
even ignoring context of trauma knocking shit away, math doesn't add up, 400 damage on everything sounds good, except it isn't even that good, 90% of trash dies to 300 damage, which the trauma can hit naturally, actually tanky enemies like maulers and crushers will survive an extra 400 damage anyways, it would be good in theory if you are critting constantly but thats not happening on a trauma