psyker-class

[crude cape]

ya this sounds kinda nice lol

[spice veldt]

heavy specials are big damage

and the increased cleave is generally more reliable for staggering enemies

and I usually prefer slow, massive damage attacks over fast, medium damage attacks

and just the damage output of the illisi special being busted

[crude cape]

so charge, heavy maybe attack 1 more time, dodge +push, charge, reset?

is a good general attack flow? with illy?

[spice veldt]

just spam dodges

if you can time your dodges and dodge sideways, then you should be safe

https://streamable.com/dfg8rx

[obtuse moth]

do you take excorcist for more special spam?

[spice veldt]

look at dem swings just miss

no pushes or anything needed

just dodge sideways

[lethal lagoon]

No, even with special spam, I have trouble keeping high peril personally.

[spice veldt]

I personally don't take exorcist because I QQ cancel often

[crude cape]

QQ cancel?

[spice veldt]

so the "repeated hit" condition gets interrupted way too often for me to use it

as in swapping to another weapon and back

to anim cancel out of your swing

activating your special also breaks the condition for exorcist, so I dislike it even for illisi

[crude cape]

ah

[obtuse moth]

oh haha i have no trouble being stuck at 100 peril

[spice veldt]

and as far as I can tell, it can't proc multiple times in a single swing

last time I checked

[crude cape]

is deflector still good on illy, or do you take a 2nd dmg blessing

[obtuse moth]

you just follow up with a light attack horizontal and you can immediately activate special again

[spice veldt]

i prefer a 2nd dmg blessing but go for whatever you want

as long as you've got slaughterer, everything will be a-okay

[crude cape]

whats your 2nd blessing

[spice veldt]

i like unstable power

[obtuse moth]

personal choice, i forgo deflector but i also play all 4 classes

[lethal lagoon]

I swap deflector and unstable depending on my mood.

[crude cape]

what would 2nd best next to unstable power be

[spice veldt]

bloodthirsty or uncanny strike

[obtuse moth]

depends on playstyle

both of those are good

[crude cape]

gotcha

[spice veldt]

I'd probably take uncanny strike over bloodthirsty because of the stagger increase and killing crushers/maulers

[obtuse moth]

executor is honestly fine on illisi too since its a head swinging machine

not ideal but it works

[spice veldt]

too bad that it's a repeated hit condition, and those blessings never proc multiple times on your first swing

I forget if normal hit blessings are able to proc multiple times on the first swing

[obtuse moth]

yeah, its not for someone who uses specials in their horde clearing combo but for anyone else its fine

[spice veldt]

even without specials, the condition will get broken by QQing

[obtuse moth]

you shouldnt need to push on illisi

hmm does slaughterer not drop with QQ?

[spice veldt]

nah

only repeated hit blessings get dropped

since swapping counts as breaking the chain

[obtuse moth]

i think most people don't qq, if you qq or 2-1 then you may have other requirements

[spice veldt]

not QQing feels terrible even if you're not using it offensively

[crude cape]

wanna make a trauma build to use with illisi, still gotta get a decent base for each lol

[spice veldt]

since swinging with melee applies a slowdown that goes away when you swap to another weapon

[crude cape]

haven't used trauma since launch week when people said it was bad

[spice veldt]

same with bomber nade stuns

swapping to another weapon allows you to immediately dodge

[crude cape]

is this base trash? what am i looking for?

[obtuse moth]

h1 l1 combo is fast enough that i dont bother

[spice veldt]

damage is my dump stat for trauma

as long as you have 60% damage (assuming no warp unleashed)

[crude cape]

dump stat dmg, woah i have this too

[lethal lagoon]

Getting a decent trauma prior to the warp unleashed change was ass, you HAD to have unarmored +25 and flak 20-25 for certain breakpoints. Now it doesn't matter

[spice veldt]

and you only need that 60% damage to oneshot dreg stalkers (360 hp) without +flak or dreg bruisers (450 hp) with unarmoured

charge rate and blast radius are the most important stats on the trauma

because of how insanely hard they scale

[obtuse moth]

quell speed is my dump stat if i'm using the peril resist feat (quell by killing things)

[crude cape]

so is that top one alright?

[spice veldt]

yeah seems fine

if it's your first few traumas, go for whatever seems ok

[obtuse moth]

some people use warp resist as their dump stat if they use it to farm peril

[crude cape]

top better than bottom bc of 17% higher charge rate?

[spice veldt]

yeah

[crude cape]

cool, alright ty

[spice veldt]

for reference, the charge rate on trauma scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second (1.3 at 80%)

[crude cape]

last one for the night i swear

i just upgraded this, rolled t3 slaughter

i dont havbe t4 deflector or slaughter learned, so when i get one i guess ill re-bless (probs w8 for slaughterer)

this is pretty good right?

the +1 stamina is kinda bad, but i dont run stamina in curio

so its not the worst

and i have the 25% dmg to maniacs which lets me 1 shot them with the heavy attack. I can re-roll it to anything but i think 25% maniac is BiS

basically: this is good enough i can stop on my deimos sword and make other htings for now until im ready to grind for PERFECT weapons, right?

[spice veldt]

seems pretty fine

my ideal deimos would have the warp res as the dumpstat, but it's whatev

[crude cape]

mine i guess here is mobility

which is dodge distance right?

finesse is crit dmg?

[spice veldt]

sprint speed, dodge distance, and for the deimos in particular, dodge speed

finesse is weakspot/crit dmg and attack speed

[crude cape]

real bad to be 62 mobility?

[spice veldt]

hit [v] and hover over the stats to see what they do

62 is fine

since the deimos has a higher dodge range than the other force swords

[crude cape]

ok

i wish that stamina was flak dmg, carapice or unyielding tho

since i use it often for those kind of targets to poke them or special them

since i rock it with purgatus

its funny the blessings seem so important, but the perks are some of the highest numbers on anything

25% is a fucking lot

[obtuse moth]

ya but damage, cleave and stagger vs every single type of enemy is way stronger

some of the original blessings were stupid, same strength or weaker than perks while also requiring conditions

[devout sentinel]

guess I'm running trauma now

[spice veldt]

slaughterer also being an OG blessing

just that shit like precog exists

[quasi pier]

OG blessings you say?

[crude cape]

so i rock a wound curio, i know some say its bad but i feel like i need it

but for the other 2...

i cant decide between 2x HP or 2x toughness

i lean towards toughness, bc theoretically it regains more often and you get more value out of higher max

[quasi pier]

If you go down often more than once between med stations its a good choice until you improve at not taking damage

Eventually you'll know the right time to not use the extra wound 👍

[crude cape]

on t3s im fine, but t4s ya

what about 2x tough vs 2x hp curio tho next to a +1 wound one?

[quasi pier]

Hp and toughness I would run either that has the best combination of perks personally

[crude cape]

so basically both are equally good?

[quasi pier]

They more or less equal the same thing. If you take a lot of chip damage in melee then the hp can mitigate that more. Toughness is good for getting out of bad spots with shooters and reducing the amount of chip damage you take to begin with

[spice veldt]

i'm a toughness stan, though I have issues with getting fucked by snipers

[quasi pier]

Also with psyker 1 hp curio definitely helps with corruption mitigation

[quasi pier]

Pretty much. I would say as you get better at dodging/sliding, overall positioning, and toughness management, you may get more out of toughness.

Wounds forgives you for taking too many guys, Hp let's you take more hits, toughness helps you not take damage or less damage from hits

The reason I say take either based on the perks is because it's a major PITA to get all the perks you want on curios, and the difference between toughness and hp wasn't enough for me to trade a bad perk or two for

Getting stamina regen and toughness regen on either toughness or hp is better than only having one of those on either kind for example

[crude cape]

ok cool

i hate to ask this now, but naturally...what perks?

block efficiency seems ok on deflector + peril blocking right? toughness regain? maybe hp %?

[devout sentinel]

gunner resistance is always good

[crude cape]

ah ya

[quasi pier]

Yea if you use deflector block efficiency is ok, but you shouldn't be blocking that many ranged hits to be honest

[fading patrol]

Personally toughness is better in controllable environment

[quasi pier]

Stamina regen and toughness regen are the most important on every class imo

[crude cape]

doesnt it help like blocking a big group while ressing maybe?

[quasi pier]

It used to but they nerfed it so you can't block ranged while rezing

[crude cape]

ah shit

i kinda noticed earlier tonight now that you say that

[quasi pier]

For that reason I stopped using deflector, but it can be good offensively if you do it right

[ocean cipher]

level 12 so far, what feats should i be using

[crude cape]

did they also make BB targeting through railings better?

[ocean cipher]

im using 330000 rn

[devout sentinel]

max hp curio with corruption resistance is nice to stack for grim missions

[quasi pier]

Yea, better but not perfect

[crude cape]

im noticing it

if you never choose grim melks missions

is there any reason to do grims

gives extra...ordo dockets?

lol

[spice veldt]

gunner res is meh because it only affects gunners and reapers

[quasi pier]

Supposed to increase emperor gift rarity, but no I ignore grims

[spice veldt]

reapers getting stunned by a single bolt LMB, and gunners getting stunned by the middle of BB or with the RMB->LMB (or also with a bolt LMB)

[left geyser]

Hey Peeps, Prospective Psyker main here. What should I absolutely know about the class before committing to it

[spice veldt]

force swords have infinite dodges so abuse that, and we have a low base stamina of 1 in exchange for having the fastest stam regen delay of 0.5 seconds

[quasi pier]

If you like to do a lot of actions per second and resource management, do good damage and die in 2 hits you'll love it

[spice veldt]

bring your melee skills from your other classes and you'll be fine as long as you abuse the infinite dodges of force swords and our fast stam regen delay

[quasi pier]

This is the way

[hidden crystal]

Eh, that gets you more use out of the Deflector.

[spice veldt]

blocking not really being the big thing with stamina

but having more pushes

and being a bit of a buffer if enemies do hit you if you're not inputting frame-perfect pushes so you don't get your ass guardbroken

more pushes are always nice

I'd stack stamina if ranged enemies weren't such annoying bastards solely for pushes

[crude cape]

well i tend to run the peril blocking feat, but maybe i shouldn't?

[spice veldt]

if you don't run trauma and/or +3 stam, I'd just keep on running kinetic deflection

[left geyser]

okay okay, I'm getting this all so far

[quasi pier]

Sometimes you need to block and your peril is maxxed

[left geyser]

What about weapons/blessings and feats?

[spice veldt]

force swords have slaughterer

[crude cape]

does pushing stage 1, but not the second part take stamina on force swords?

[spice veldt]

the "stage 2" push is called the push-attack

the stage 1 push is just called a push

[obtuse moth]

you still have existing stamina even if you have max peril

[spice veldt]

pushes always take stamina

[hidden crystal]

Kinetic Deflector is influenced by how much Stamina you have.

[crude cape]

gotcha also one thing im unsure of is, how often do you guys use the push attack on force swords? i tend to spam normal push more

[spice veldt]

but on the force swords, it costs 1 bar compared to other melee weapons which might take 2 bars

I barely ever use the push-attack, though that' s partially because I use the trauma staff

I dislike pushing enemies away from me if I can help it

and it's only single target

[vestal raven]

Does the 2 shots on crit for voidstrike only affect the primary fire?

[spice veldt]

so it's very niche

affects the RMB of void

[quasi pier]

Push attack on every rager you see

[spice veldt]

it's only the trauma whose RMB that it doesn't work on

[vestal raven]

So is it good then? Seems like it would be

[spice veldt]

I'm not sure since I haven't personally gotten it

people seem to have mixed feelings about it

[crude cape]

i tend to either try to light attack the air, then heavy attack head poke them for a 1 tap as they come up to me with deimos, or just special with deimos against them. or BB if im further away

[spice veldt]

I wouldn't push-attack ragers unless they're not alone and/or too clumped up

[crude cape]

ya maybe if they're mixed in

i could see it

[spice veldt]

even with the obscurus, I preferred to just special their asses

[quasi pier]

Yea with deimos if you can put them down in 1 hit without taking damage that's preferable. Although if there are 3 at one time, then still push attack if your staff doesn't Cc them

[crude cape]

special is nice bc it stuns them, but stuns you too

if i can get away with it, and have 3-4+ stacks

deimos 1 shots with the heavy poke

no special needed

just gotta get used to light attacking the air first, then heavying

bc if you try to light attack them, they'll just hit you while you do the heavy. so i dodge back, light attack then heavy poke forward again into their head

that heavy poke is 1k+ dmg, tooltip

its kinda nuts

[hidden crystal]

It can put a Crusher on its butt even at Damnation; it's worth using if you need to buy some space.

[left geyser]

What are the important differences between the Staves? are they the best weapons to use in that slot?

[crude cape]

ok cool

maybe my issue is im spamming normal push 1-3 times

instead of just doing that sometimes

[spice veldt]

using a staff is important particularly for toughness gen since two of our toughness feats revolve around warp weapons

well, I suppose essence harvest revolves around BB, but there are feats for warp charge generation

[left geyser]

Roger

[hidden crystal]

It can't stagger a Mutant (but then, nearly nothing can) or a Bulwark through its shield, but there's been a few times where there's three Crushers and staggering a couple of them for almost no peril is pretty effective.

Note that they do have a brief immunity to being restaggered after they get back up again, so you can't completely stagger-lock them, but it's a really useful way to buy time/space if you're swarmed by tough elites.

[spice veldt]

purgatus is a smaller zealot flamer, voidstrike is a projectile that has 6 cleave when fully charged, trauma is an explosion like the ogryn rumbler, surge will stun like 6-8 enemies or something

I'd use whatever staff you like

but I recommend not using the trauma staff at lower ratings

[left geyser]

Okay cool, So there isn't a clear "Use this one"
Noted

[spice veldt]

because that staff has pretty hard stat scaling

[left geyser]

roger

[crude cape]

gun using psykers are rare, but do exist. can look up gun psyker builds. In fact an Auto pistol psyker build is extremely strong, but basically need pinning fire blessing on the auto pistol. For the most part, staffs are the most used thing. They're all pretty viable and have different roles/focuses. flame(purgatus)/void staff/trauma = horde clear, lightning (surge)/trauma being CC based. trauma kind of being a mix of the 2 categories its in

[spice veldt]

I personally dislike the voidstrike and surge. Not because they themselves are bad, but because the purg and trauma have infinite cleave, which makes them a bit too good to not use

[crude cape]

voidstrike has infinite cleave, no?

[spice veldt]

on the outer radius it does

but not on the epicentre

[left geyser]

I'm running Psyker to support my Zealot main Friend, The Zealots recommended the Surge to give my friend some breathing room in a horde. Do you agree with that idea?

[spice veldt]

surge isn't going to give you space if there are trash enemies around

[crude cape]

when i fully charge void, it makes a clean hole in any horde at head height

[quasi pier]

I think until heresy or damnation that voidstrike is potentially the best, mostly because the density of enemies and specials isn't high enough at low levels to let the other staffs shine

[spice veldt]

void's epicentre can only hit 6 poxwalkers or 8 groaners max

and the outer area does doodoo damage

[left geyser]

My Intention is to go to Damnation when I'm ready

[spice veldt]

and the problem with void isn't against groaners/poxwalkers

it's when elites and other enemies are mixed in

[crude cape]

did they nerf void at one point?

i swear in the past

[spice veldt]

because that 6 cleave gets eaten pretty quickly; e.g., a single Scab Rager will eat your projectile

[crude cape]

it was infinite

[spice veldt]

not sure

I know they tinkered with its peril generation when they buffed the trauma's peril gen

[crude cape]

im having fun with purgatus + deimos combo right now

but i do sometimes get eaten up by ranged groups

i cant get close to

across a balcony or something

[spice veldt]

but voidstrike has a weird behavior where it randomly ignores its cleave limit

[crude cape]

not sure how to best avoid that

[spice veldt]

and just deals epicentre damage to every enemy near the projectile

[crude cape]

deflector helps some

[left geyser]

I like the look of the Purgatus, Though my friend has commented before that it makes seeing what's happening in the horde a litle rough

[spice veldt]

i'd just dodge-slide into shooters or something

[crude cape]

it can - i downloaded the HP bars mod to help and turned it on for all enemies (mod has it turned off for low grade horde enemies by default. which helps pick out specials in a horde by their hp bar, but not why we are using it with flame staff)

[spice veldt]

most maps have decent enough cover to run around and whack shooters

[crude cape]

the hp bar mod will let you see the horde in the flames

by their hp bars

it helps

[left geyser]

Awesome!

Thanks

[crude cape]

also people here told me next patch they are adding some sort of option or tone down of the flame effects to address this complaint

[hidden crystal]

Suspect you meant to tag Hoadus rather than me, but I do like running gunpsyker.

I tend to run a marksman build with either a Kantrael XII or Vraks VII with Ghost and Between the Eyes (gives massive resistance to ranged fire if you can chain the headshots) - and yes, while I should consider Vet Sharpshooter, I can't be bothered to level up another character, and Veteran wouldn't let me combine it with a Deflector Force sword to give even more middle finger to ranged enemies.

[quasi pier]

I also thought that the cleave was infinite at max charge for void, but I've only used it a couple games in the last, uhh few hundred hours of gameplay

[crude cape]

i have to say...

seeing like 100 hp bars stackong on top of each other...especially if you catch a horde just coming in

and seeing them all melt in the flams

is REALLY satisfying

much better than just like...stop firing and being like "oh ok any left?" bc you cant see shit lol

[devout sentinel]

that sound it makes when you pop heads in a incoming horde 👌

with void

[crude cape]

also helps you pick out like a stray mob who pushes through the stagger to get close to hit you while holding it

[crude cape]

god its so good

i miss it a lot

[left geyser]

Definitely getting that mod

[crude cape]

i havent been using void recently but it was my most used for a long time

the mods are a bit of the pita to download ngl

[spice veldt]

voidstrike is also the only staff where you can't start a sprint while RMBing

[crude cape]

its a bit convoluted but once you figure it out not that bad

[spice veldt]

which sucks if I want to spam sprint-slides

[left geyser]

How bad? are we talking manual skyrim modding or Mass effect 2 modding?

[spice veldt]

just gotta drop folders into a particular location and write the folder names into a text file

[devout sentinel]

you need to copy the name of each mods folder and add it to a .txt file

it's easy

[left geyser]

Ah not too bad

[cold geode]

install exe to mod database file, run it, install framework to mods folder, drop mods in mods folder, add new lines for each mod in mods text file, and respect the mod order instructions that come with the mods

[left geyser]

Anyone got a quick guide on hand?

[crude cape]

also I recommend besides HP bars mod - the end game scoreboard mod. auto perk re-rolling mod (once you get to later game and start rolling perks infinitely for a specific), "Numeric Ui". and "auto block on chat and alt tab". mods. those are the ones im using. Just downloaded them when i came back this week to play again and they're small but also kind of game changing

[crude cape]

if you google there was a good reddit guide i used

[left geyser]

Awesome

[spice veldt]

here's a text/gif guide https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/#/installing-mods

[crude cape]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11cod2i/guide_how_to_install_mods_in_darktide_w_gifs/

[summer prairie]

Get Darkcache if you have a gpu with spare ram

[left geyser]

Knowing how this game runs I'm not sure I have spare Vram XD

[cold geode]

lol

you can run msi after burner to get those stats if you want

[devout sentinel]

what level 5 feat do yall prefer to run with trauma?

[cold geode]

ab is nice, you can toss fire a lotta shit

i have a trauma setup with blazing spirit and whatever they are calling warp nexus now, +ranged crit 5% + ab, fire everywhre

[spice veldt]

I like Quietude

Trauma generates a lot of peril because of its fast charge rate combined with its inherently high peril on charge

I think the surge and trauma have approximately the same peril generation, with the difference being trauma's faster charge

[ocean cipher]

what staff/sword should i be using for l15

thinking illisi+trauma/voidstrike or deimos+purgatus

[cyan notch]

thats fine

illisi + anything is a safe combo

[ocean cipher]

alright

didnt wanna use illisi purg cuz no st

also pushspam is good on staffs right

[cyan notch]

theres no push on staffs

[cold geode]

i remember them saying in the patch notes when they changed trauma that it was equal to void

[spice veldt]

the wording was along the lines of bringing them closer, at least in my memory

since they currently have different peril% generated at this moment

unless there was another patch that toned down voidstrike's peril gen

I forget

[cold geode]

yea, trying to find it now

[summer prairie]

I think they only changed the activation cost, not the charging

activation is equal

[spice veldt]

1.0.22

ah right the activation

the pre-patch trauma generating like 25% peril on cast

with today's quell speeds, I wouldn't mind such peril generation

and I think the pre-patch voidstrike had the same peril generation on RMB as the LMB on cast

or at the very least, I couldn't tell the difference in my early hours

I should stop being a little bitch and should grind for a 0 warp res trauma

[ocean cipher]

meant blaze swords

[ornate hamlet]

Let's see how well I can block...

[near wyvern]

Not well because you want to run +9 stamina on curios for master block. Block cost reduction is less benefit than stamina for KD.

[ornate hamlet]

Well, regardless, A crusher hit my shield, and it tickled.

[astral lark]

spawn a plague ogryn?

[ornate hamlet]

I want to test it on that

[astral lark]

maybe a daemonhost

or the assassin boss

[ornate hamlet]

I don't fight DH unless I have to. I would do that on an Ogryn. Assassin Boss? I better be using my ranged for the minions.

Because an Illisi is not the boss killer

This is designed to be a horde/mass shooter utility weapon. Not something I would apply all tactics to.

That, and I prefer the 60% health

Since all I do are hi int 5 and shockgaunt hi5

[spice veldt]

though I'd trust myself to be the one aggroing the captain over my teammates

[ornate hamlet]

If you get DH on Hi5 Shock Gaunt, you're team is fucked anyway.

But then, I don't really run with others. I PUG hi 5+

[wet belfry]

I will actually ask this if you do trigger a dh in hi5 shock gaunlet pls just let urself die

Dont drag the daemon host to us so that we take corruption damage, struggle to kill specials.

[astral lark]

yes but you could kite the boss

[wet belfry]

Of course what im saying is situational. But apart of situational awareness is understanding when to let urself go.

[ocean cipher]

can i get a staff tier list

[astral lark]

eh its going to kill two

unles the dh is killed

[astral lark]

no, ideally you look for a position to kite or cheese it

[wet belfry]

Whatever so long as i can keep dealing with specials

[summer prairie]

I wonder if it will despawn if you drag it far enough back and then die

[cyan notch]

it despawns after awhile

ive had it disappear when i was kiting it before

[ember hornet]

if you pull a daemonhost on hi5 shock simply have a hammer smh

[ocean cipher]

should i use trauma or voidstrike with ilisi

[spice veldt]

i like trauma

[ember hornet]

trauma if you want to melee more imo

[spice veldt]

it'll certainly set up kills better for the illisi than the voidstrike ever will

[ocean cipher]

my problem is trauma charges too slow

[spice veldt]

i assume that you're not lvl30

[ocean cipher]

14 rn

[spice veldt]

trauma's charge rate stat scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second

[ocean cipher]

boutta hit 15

[spice veldt]

compared to voidstrike's 1.9 to 1.6 seconds

so at 80% charge rate, trauma charges faster than voidstrike

I usually recommend people to avoid using the trauma until they're a higher level

[ocean cipher]

so voidstrike until i can get a trauma with decent charge?

[spice veldt]

sure

though once you hit lvl 15, you should unlock the purgatus

[ocean cipher]

dont see why id use purgatus if i have illuso tho

[spice veldt]

purgatus' advantage is the infinite cleave

with illisi, your cleave is going to get eaten by melee elites (though it'll still go through a fair chunk of them)

[ocean cipher]

if i was using purgatus wouldnt i want a deimos

[spice veldt]

if you want to fill in that single target gap

I personally just bring the illisi regardless of the ranged I bring (though I use trauma all the time)

I suppose you're going to have trouble with ranged at early levels

and purg's cloud radius stat affecting its range

[ocean cipher]

i like having a single target and a horde option

[ember hornet]

Illisi has fantastic single target performance

and you also have BB

[spice veldt]

illisi's special having good stagger is a part of what makes it quite busted

since you can stagger ragers out of their combos

and if you spam light-specials, you can just continuously stagger them before they can ever get a chance to ever hit you

[ember hornet]

you can also 1 shot flak ragers

[spice veldt]

I don't think I can do that without +flak on my particular force sword

[summer prairie]

not without slaughterer

[ember hornet]

yeah without flak maybe not

[spice veldt]

at least against flak, the deimos/obscurus has another edge with their situational special

[ember hornet]

with unstable and flak it's 2 slaughterer stacks

1 slaughterer stack does 1300 ish

[spice veldt]

huh

time to test my force sword to see if I just have bad memory against scab ragers

[ember hornet]

scab ragers were like, 1 of the things I could fairly reliably 1 shot

[spice veldt]

with +maniac, I know that I could one-shot dreg ragers with enough slaught stacks

[summer prairie]

doesn't seem very reliable when you have to be at max or close to max peril and 6 stacks

[ember hornet]

that's how you play psyker

so I'm always max peril and max warp

[summer prairie]

uhuh

[ember hornet]

that's how you play illisi psyker anyhow

[spice veldt]

at least for the purposes of illisi, I'd prefer low peril

just so that I need less brain power to manage my peril

just activate special, press LMB

repeat

really takes the breath out of me to do something so taxing already

[ember hornet]

yeah Idk, I found high peril only was extremely manageable especially after quell buff

[spice veldt]

the particularly annoying thing about force swords is that you can only quell after your swing finishes

unless you QQ

which is fine, but QQ is a little annoying to do sometimes

[ember hornet]

the only thing is sometimes I would blow myself up after over excitedly jacking too much

[spice veldt]

I'm not kidding when I say that I'm too lazy to do that

[ember hornet]

lol

[summer prairie]

I also always ult when it's up

[ember hornet]

half the time it felt like I would proc quell on kill anyways

[spice veldt]

yeah I usually just swing and pray for battle meditation to proc

which does happen reliably against groaners who get fucked up by an unstable + slaught illisi

[summer prairie]

kind of pointless to stay at max peril in every situation only to hit some situational bp

[ember hornet]

it's a lot of breakpoints

[summer prairie]

it's not

[ember hornet]

it is

plus it buffs the hell out of normals

illisi lights are like a lawnmower in hordes too

[summer prairie]

they are that regardless of what you do

you are just farming overkill

[ember hornet]

plus 33% DR at max peril

[spice veldt]

at 20-ish peril with 4 warp charges, unstable, and 5 slaught stacks, my special-heavy deals 1.3k damage to scab ragers, barely away from one-shotting them

[ember hornet]

I have flak on mine so it's a bit easier I guess

Idk for me I like to keep all my buffs maxed and peril is the only resource to manage when you are primarily melee psyker

[spice veldt]

I can only dream of a +flak +maniac illisi with unstable

[ember hornet]

but yall probably think I'm whack cause I run it with quicken and DR feat

and toughness curios

[summer prairie]

do you take communion too

[ember hornet]

yeah

[spice veldt]

quicken is the whack part of it to me, though I do see how it's useful since my trauma fulfills that similar role

[ember hornet]

to me it's just easier max warp charge generation and a huge stagger I can use multiple times a minute

I would never use quicken as a staff psyker though

basically it's just a build for purely abusing the fuck out of illisi lol

[cyan notch]

average power sword vet

[ember hornet]

I did this when I got mad about hammer nerf lol

[cyan notch]

that doesnt make sense

they arent even the same thing

[ember hornet]

no they aren't

it was a fun factor thing

hammer became a lot less fun for me and I was like fuck it I'll abuse a broken weapon

and happened to roll a near perfect illisi so it worked out

I'll probably go back to void when I play psyker again though

popping heads too much fun

[late yew]

I reached that point with psyker when i have all decent saves and deimos and illi

[ocean cipher]

just hit l15, what feats should i use

[late yew]

So i only can aim for farming t4 blessings

[ocean cipher]

gonna be using illiso/void or deimos/purg

[spice veldt]

communion if you don't BB often enough to maintain warp charges

[ocean cipher]

what abt the first two

[spice veldt]

aura is always nice for the CDR, though I'd prefer communion unless I'm at lvl 25 where there's another feat for generating warp charges without having to BB

[ocean cipher]

atm im using 330000

[ember hornet]

I would say quietitude and warp unleashed

[spice veldt]

lacerations is a bit too situational

[ember hornet]

yeah

[late yew]

ult cd is great, but only if you have level 30 feats

[ember hornet]

for 3rd pick from the top 2 depending on your playstyle

I like communion personally for worrying about warp charge stacks less

but it depends on desired playstyle

[ocean cipher]

purgatus doesnt seem suuuper good

not like everyone says it is

[ember hornet]

not yet

you need higher level

[ocean cipher]

heres my roll

warp unleashed or rack and ruin

[ember hornet]

yeah so when you are higher level burn stacks will go up

and burn dot will do much more damage

plus increased range from cloud radius

[spice veldt]

though the damage isn't the good part about it but being able to just spread it absolutely everywhere

and through everything that's not a shielded bulwark or a wall

[ember hornet]

I'll let others comment on current wrack and ruin

[spice veldt]

if there's a mauler inside that horde, they're gonna get roasted and toasted, though it'll take time for the ticks to accumulate and do their work

[ember hornet]

what's max burn stacks on purg btw?

[late yew]

Just disregard any opinions you have on any weapons until you reach 30 and have orange weapons

[cyan notch]

15

[ember hornet]

yeah so 49% burn is probably 10ish

which is like, half damage potential

[cyan notch]

nah

[summer prairie]

The only stat purg needs is cloud

[ember hornet]

12?

[cyan notch]

its not linear scaling

you get 11 pretty easily i think

[ember hornet]

that is a good table

[spice veldt]

source from here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959 in section 5

[ember hornet]

ah

[ocean cipher]

wait purg doesnt have a void blast

[spice veldt]

nah

its LMB is a higher stagger version of the RMB

[ember hornet]

what's the stagger like on the left click

ok yeah that makes sense

[spice veldt]

less soulblaze applied but you've got a good amount of stagger on it

[ember hornet]

can it stagger trappers?

[cyan notch]

yea pretty sure

idk if consistent tho

[ocean cipher]

kinda likin purg/deimos in testing'

[ember hornet]

purg deimos is a solid loadout for sure

read through the guide that arcotash posted

[spice veldt]

at least in the meatgrinder, the LMB seems to consistently stagger the trapper

[ember hornet]

I wonder if it staggers bursters 🤔

[summer prairie]

it can still trigger their stagger immunity

[ember hornet]

but not cause them to blow up

like, the bug?

[summer prairie]

they'll jump and lmb won't stagger

maybe happens more frequently if you are quell cancel spamming it

[cyan notch]

it can push bursters

[spice veldt]

seems that the LMB can push bursters even if they're near you but haven't yet triggered their detonation at least in the meatgrinder

[cyan notch]

it pushes on jump too

[summer prairie]

rmb does that too

[spice veldt]

I have zero trust with fire and bursters

[summer prairie]

I'm just saying that if you are quell cancel spamming and not timing it, you sometimes trigger the immunity

[spice veldt]

I just run away from my team if there are purg/flamers and they've tagged the burster

[ember hornet]

so the immunity still hasn't been fixed?

or are we just scarred from pre patch

I know rending still breaks bursters

which is why bolter vets often cause them to blow up on your team

if bolter shoots a burster without killing it, rip

can't push it

[spice veldt]

not just rending but any decent amount of stagger can do it at least in my experience

shredders doing that as well

or the edge of a grenadier gauntlet explosion

unless that's been fixed recently

[summer prairie]

it sets the stagger immunity to 0 when it jumps but there's still an issue with some specific timings

[ember hornet]

the rending bug is a general bug

not just bursters

rending under 50% causes enemies to take less stagger

so 20% rending means you do 20% stagger

don't ask me why

[cyan notch]

all the more reason to not use rending

[ember hornet]

unless you want to run uncanny cause it's a self buff and let's you kill teammates

[spice veldt]

300iq run a t1 rending shockwave to screw everyone over

[cyan notch]

2iq

[summer prairie]

At least it rolled something usable

[cyan notch]

bruh

[devout sentinel]

damn

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-gif-25058499

[obtuse moth]

orange weapons are not necessary at all to evaluate a weapon. a white weapon is fine for evaluating a base, and a blue is fine for evaluating a blessing

[near wyvern]

Sexy first target + damage + finesse

[spice veldt]

flak and maniac >:(

[near wyvern]

Maniac is good

Mutant one shot is nice

Flak is... Usable? I mean, there is not a lot you really need for the other slot

[vagrant hollow]

guys after i upgrade it which second blessing i should look for?

[ember hornet]

unstable or deflector

or I think bloodthirsty also works for illisi

[devout sentinel]

good enough for now

[olive ember]

mfw reddit is recommending to swap out warp flurry on surge staff

[obtuse moth]

depends on how you play, empowered strikes, defensively, ascendant blaze all use diff blessings

[olive ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/13432b7/looking_for_crafting_advice_info_on_post/

I mean its probably already too late but

[obtuse moth]

oh god

min charge attacks do no damage i cri

[olive ember]

Yeah that sword is pretty good ngl

[obtuse moth]

this is probably why they recommended that tho,
OP

So I rarely fully charge the staff. 90% of the time I'm spamming the lightning as soon as I can. Because my peril keeps getting higher, It does more damage each time. Also, because I spam it so much, I usually get a crit every 4 or 5 charges.

Considering that, which blessing would you trade? I think Warp Flurry would be best, however, I'm not sure how much Terrifying Barrage is helping. I don't know which one to lock and which one to reroll.

Help!

[olive ember]

the t2 blessing and t2 perk is big rip but besides that its broke

oh yeah ik

it doesn't rly matter

he mentions he spams it but like

even then

unless he is literally spamming it against everything in which case he is using it wrong

like why are you spamming uncharged rmb into shooters when one full charge kills em

same thing with maulers tbh

[olive ember]

high peril psyker smh smh

low peril gang

[ember hornet]

hey look

it's the resident shitter 🙂

[olive ember]

smh

Atleast I don't take Kinetic shield and quicken

[ember hornet]

not a zealot psyker smh

[spice veldt]

kinetic shield good

[olive ember]

I'm going to wake up one day and Lazorr is going to be advocating for wrack and ruin

great

another one

[ember hornet]

peril block good for rez I'll give it that

otherwise too situational for my liking

[cyan notch]

its more for all roundedness

helps your melee a lot

just like running stam curios

[vagrant hollow]

sorry for late response I play with void staff and blessings are warp flurry and quel on weakspot

[ember hornet]

new copypasta for anyone interested lol

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

[obtuse moth]

nw, i mean depends on how you play with your melee weapon. deflector is defensive, ascendant blaze likes unstable power for peril spam, bloodthirsty likes empowered strikes

[civic jungle]

Tbh, I have a surge staff with T3 crit and T4 warp flurry, and I wasn't sure the warp flurry was doing that good

[olive ember]

its kinda meh, but its better than the other options

imo

unless you are like solo'ing or carrying or wte

in which case focused channeling might be better but

eh

[civic jungle]

Seemed like two antisynergy blessings that one wants to hover at 80% peril and the other I guess wants to go down to 0% every time so make use of the faster charges

Maybe if I tried to max out peril resistance with inner tranquility (?) instead of warp unleashed 🤔

[olive ember]

lmao its such a shit take

[olive ember]

ah yeah its anti synergy, but tbh the only time I think the high peril damage bonus matters on surge staff is for dealing with maulers etc.

so in a sense at that point being able to full charge quickly is also alot more useful

since its 2 full charges to kill a mauler

[civic jungle]

So should one be doing full charges instead of M1 spamming for non-charged charge attacks?

Or just depends on the situation

[olive ember]

depends

uncharged rmb and charged rmb stuns the same, but the latter does more damage

so when you are trying to CC targets, just uncharged spam

but when you are dealing with shooters or maulers charge is better

[obtuse moth]

i think warp flurry is the highest dps option

[olive ember]

armored shooters*

armored shooters die in one full charge

maulers die in 2 full charge

[obtuse moth]

if you're trying to hold things in place, use full charges until you go over peril or at least go past halfway on the charge, it does significantly more damage. if youre dangerously high, then start juggling peril. if you're trying to push on things, feel free to use instant casts. i usually use instant casts on shooters so i can left click on them

[olive ember]

also if you hold rmb when using ability you keep warp flurry stacks

so what I like to do if I need to deal with mauler packs is uncharge spam until 50 peril

and then press F and start full charging

[obtuse moth]

if you have flurry you can also get 2-3 min charge casts just to get stacks going

for any staff type

some of them also stack with left clicks or staff swings

[summer prairie]

not anymore

[obtuse moth]

rip

[civic jungle]

Huh, interesting

[obtuse moth]

F is instant cast

you can do anything during it

[idle bay]

Damn thing thing is nuts! I even enjoyed playing Preacher for a day. Normally i hate it and simply do it for weekly mission to keep him adequatly eqqiped.

I like Illisi more on my psyker though...

[olive ember]

I mean the illisi is basically a slightly weaker hsword until it enters its charged state. at which point it becomes a slightly weaker psword

tho hsword is lmb spam

and illisi is heavy spam

[idle bay]

I like when you get both t4 Rampage and t4 Headtaker going any stray Rager that gets into the melee with you gets instantly deleted on HSword 🙂

Only doubt i have about HSword is what ranged weapon to pair it with and still have all enemy types covered. I ended on HSword + Slug Shotgun

[olive ember]

pretty much

the hsword is good against everything but crushers

the meta comp for zealot is hsword + bolter iirc

or hsword + flameshotgun

or hsword + autopistol

tbh anything works since zealot F grants them armor pen

but typically speaking running a bolter to help deal with maulers and crushers etc.

[idle bay]

Slug is more versatile - it's unironical sniper option 🙂

And also puts Crusher on his ass

[olive ember]

I guess, but when the game spawns 4-6 crushers

bolter is typically better

in terms of meta

[idle bay]

And breaks Bulwark shield stance

Bolter is way way to slow for my comfort

[olive ember]

yeah its E but yeah

[idle bay]

I only consider using bolter on vet because of volley fire that makes it instantly ready and reloads it

[unreal dust]

So I got absurdly lucky and finally snagged Slaughterer IV ... ... what I did not expect was for the new sword (left) to have a decent stat roll too

Debating if I want to keep damage to Unarmored...

[near wyvern]

Yeah I use slug on my zealot with antax 5. One shot gunner heads, bully ogryns and Bromentum through.

[idle bay]

Bromentum with crit abuse ?

[near wyvern]

Yeah I have Bromentum 4 with shred4
4. It's hilarious to get ult back in 3-4 swings.

[idle bay]

I managed to re-roll all my SHreds without sacrificing a single one to Hadron 🙂

[near wyvern]

Headtaker would be optimal for DPS but shred just provides so much more survivability.

[idle bay]

So i had to use HSword insted of A5 with Crit Cheese 🙂

[near wyvern]

I guess Hsword crits work well. Antax 5 is just so good cause it works against everything.

Once you get to uninterrupted swings it's just bayblade your way

[idle bay]

Karens on forums already screech about nerfing Bromentum as expected 🙂

[near wyvern]

Yeah I saw that

[idle bay]

Disgusting type of players who can't stand when other players having fun

[near wyvern]

If there is something to nerf maybe internal CD

But other than that not really since you need trash around you for it to work

Bromentum achieves nothing on elite packs

It's a good blessing for trash killing and with zealot second column it becomes a good tool for mixed hordes but you need to get the stacks up and keep them that way on zealot, so it's not that brain dead even on the current iteration

[restive slate]

If bromentum is nerfed, what are we supposed to use? Claw swords??

[idle bay]

Or just use completely braindead Hsword that does not really care about perks and just murders everything 🙂 True Zealot gameplay - no brain required

[idle bay]

Started grey Devil's Claw sword. Karens in support of only this kind fun, no other kind if allowed.

And if you dismantled starter weapon - you are not allowed to play this charatcter and have to make new one

And no mods allowed . They can't have anyone using mods.

Even better gaming chair is cheating

[restive slate]

Playing the game is cheating!

[cyan notch]

only $2.5k

[restive slate]

Whoa Dollars??

[karmic reef]

Is there data on how frequently each class is played?

[cyan notch]

only fatshark knows

[restive slate]

The amount of Diamantine we have

[karmic reef]

Hm, I’m kinda interested in trying vet or zealot once I’ve maxed my latest psyker build but I see a shitload of those two and like class diversity

[restive slate]

Go ahead, at least Melk weeklies are easily completed within the week even if you have 1 of all 4 classes

[idle bay]

i used to complete weekly on all 4 operatives with mandatory 25 mission weekly on each.

But after i hit 1000 mission and new weekly system was introduced - i became lazy

Just one charatcer with 8 missions per week is fine. 2 characters if i feel miself good enough.

[karmic reef]

Maybe I should just use a random number generator to decide which of the 4 I should play

[idle bay]

Roll 1d4 dice 🙂

[restive slate]

Also depends how much free time you got, whether you have an office job etc

[long osprey]

Ogryn is really fun if you main psyker

And their weapons are uniques too

[obtuse moth]

just play what you want, it doesn't really matter. if you're interested in it check it out.

[hexed ether]

im currently rolling traumas for flurry 3/4 just hit a blazing 4 should i go for blazing instead or flurry?

[obtuse moth]

flurry is meta, blazing works if you want to play off-meta

i'd use AB if you are going to run blazing

[stable silo]

@unreal dust IMO steal slaught 4 from left sword add it to right sword which is IMO a better sword because of the finese and maniac dmg alone

@karmic reef wtf lol all i see at higher difficulties are other psykers it has me playing my zealot more because of it

@haiidra flurry is meta blazing is funny u can also reroll the blessing perk cause ur locked into harnessing anyway to see which u prefer better also

[ornate hamlet]

I might want to buy for the Blessings

[stable silo]

tbh i woudlnt dueling swords are pretty weak but i used to like them

precog isnt really a good blessing either but dueling sword dont really have any good ones

[leaden thunder]

precog is one of the worst blessings in the game rn

[karmic reef]

Man, I really want my friends to get into darktide with me because playing with randoms can be boring, but the game is so damn expensive

[ornate hamlet]

I use the sabres for dueling Daemonhosts.

[stable silo]

thats so specific lol go for it

[karmic reef]

Should I max psyker before playing other classes? since you cant really do blessings or customization until lvl 30

[olive ember]

Eh I just leveled whatever class I liked playing the most to 30

[stable silo]

well get each class to lvl 11 if you really wanna do it like that

cause u can start to save up melkor bucks and do weeklies starting from 11

[karmic reef]

Are non psyker classes easier to level?

[ornate hamlet]

There’s really no difference in the process

Complete mission get xp

[crude cape]

Ohh, this is kinda nice base to craft up right?

i rock gunner resistance normally

can i get higher than 16% toughness base tho?

[ornate hamlet]

17 is max for toughness curio

[crude cape]

ah...damn

only 1% but feels bad

ive never seen a 17% tbh

and im lvl 30 for a while

does it have to be a melks legendary or something?

[ornate hamlet]

Nah they’re just rare

[olive ember]

Super rare

[spice veldt]

the only practical source of curios is gonna be from the docket store unfortunately

[olive ember]

Best chance is to play the good old fashioned

Hourly roulette

[spice veldt]

I've never seen a good curio in melk's store

[olive ember]

Every hour when coin shop resets

Go and scroll to bottom and check curios

[crude cape]

gotcha

[crude cape]

is it just me or do we get WAY more diamantine than needed

and plasteel is always the bottleneck

[split oxide]

What is the TOP 3 blessings for FS (excliuding Deflector)?

[crude cape]

#1 slaughterer

thats for sure

[karmic reef]

Is the axe good on psyker?

I feel like fswords are just straight up better

[crude cape]

they kind of are

i feel like the only weapon that makes a case against the force swords is the dueling sword

but now with the illy and deimos both are so good

illy is like the vet power sword sort of, really good horde control

deimos has the highest single target heavy attack in the game

[split oxide]

Melk finally came through

[crude cape]

you can do light attack poke -> heavy attack poke. and the heavy 1 shots TONS of things

1k+ dmg, not to mention having the activation when needing easy dmg + stun

[leaden thunder]

rashad or antax are still very good on psyker but the force swords offer more synergy with psyker

[crude cape]

the one on the left was just sitting at melk? my god nice

[split oxide]

I'm thinking of swapping out Deflector for an variety/alternative (suggestions?)

[crude cape]

if you do that, you can always swap back to deflector, right?

[leaden thunder]

unstable power

[crude cape]

i really like deflector personally, i can't give it up

maybe cause im bad

[karmic reef]

Well I just got a very good axe and am considering it over my force sword until I reach lvl 30 so I can upgrade stuff

[crude cape]

find myself needing to block groups of ranged guys just out of my purgatus staff reach constantly

and need to close the distance or get to cover

[split oxide]

I hate you. /jk
Unstable is the only one missing at the moment.

[late yew]

how many hours have you got

[leaden thunder]

easier to have a good axe early on then a good force sword, but the illisi is pretty good even without blessings

[split oxide]

lvl 4 is the only think I buy/consecrate.
The others are from shop.

[late yew]

now what ia sked

[split oxide]

As many as it takes, when you have "completionist"-OCD

[late yew]

... so how many?

total hours in the game

[split oxide]

633

Okay, if not Deflector, Slaughter, Unstable.. do we have a final option?

[spice veldt]

maybe bloodthirsty or uncanny as the second offensive blessing

[split oxide]

ta, not sure how many specialists I encounter per second-maybe uncanny for me

[spice veldt]

for reference, this is what crits do for the illisi special

[olive ember]

🤔

[spice veldt]

I'd probably take bloodthirsty over uncanny but that also depends on how much you hate crushers and maulers

illisi special deals 75% damage to carapace iirc?

so effectively a 1.33x damage increase against crushers at max t4 uncanny strike stacks (normal heavies do 65% damage)

and going over 50% rending increases your stagger

never really tested the stagger increase from rending with illisi though

oh bloodthirsty is referring to kills with your illisi special

not kills on specialist enemies

[split oxide]

uncanny took me approx 8 (light) strikes on crusher head. (from 3pt to 248pts on weakspot.)

The question is .. how close do I want to stand to a crusher.

[spice veldt]

das true

maybe for that one rare scenario where you've got maxxed slaught stacks and want to kill a crusher as fast as you can to maintain stacks

if only BB didn't exist 😔

maybe if uncanny strike made the illisi special consistently stagger crushers

since the upside of uncanny is that it's easy to stack and maintain

though I guess with bloodthirsty, you're gonna annihilate the first three targets with crits

[split oxide]

just tested - 11-14 light strikes (with max stack)

[spice veldt]

and bloodthirsty might push your illisi's minimum cleave damage over the threshold for one-shotting groaners with bodyshots

[split oxide]

one shot groaners... after I've melee'd a crusher...

[spice veldt]

the joys of testing

[crude cape]

you guys think they'll release new psyker subclass with a different ability other than BB eventually?

i hope we get some stuff like that sooner rather than later

and its not just like, a new row of passive options or something

dying for some new stuff lmao

[spice veldt]

i want a reason to style on bulwarks with force swords

god damn BB

why are you so effective against bulwarks

[crude cape]

just use the special on them

its fine

[spice veldt]

some leaks mention a shield ability and throwing knives, though I might be conflating the ults with the grenades

[near gale]

ngl, besides this 1st blessing this deimos is sexy

[spice veldt]

whew

the particular tech I'm thinking of is dodging to the side of a bulwark and push-attacking them

[near gale]

I think I'm gonna play my Psyker to buy that

[spice veldt]

since bulwarks get immediately guardbroken if you push-attack their sides with force swords

and they won't fall to the ground and perform their fast ass get-up animation

[crude cape]

first one is a better crafting base despite having slightly lower dmg/first target, right?

[spice veldt]

I'd say so because of the finesse

[crude cape]

will that 4 lower base dmg on atks make a difference

i always hear about breakpoints but have no idea how to know if im hitting/missing them

lol

[spice veldt]

prob not

illisi is so strong that you don't really need to gaf about breakpoints

[split oxide]

Wait what?
So push attacks from sides...
Do push attack from front work?

[spice veldt]

push-attacks from the front work, but you need to push-attack 2 or 3 times for the bulwark to get guardbroken

[stable silo]

i got a 17 toughness with tough regen but rev speed and gunner res

[crude cape]

gunner res is good tho

reroll the rev speed

i like having gunner resistance thought it was a good one?

[spice veldt]

gunner res is meh since it only affects gunners and reapers

[crude cape]

but theres TONS of gunners and reapers

does it not also effect the yellow ranged dregs?

the basic ones?

[spice veldt]

nope

only the elites

[crude cape]

ohh

damn

[spice veldt]

yeah it's one of those things that sound great

[crude cape]

seems still ok tho i get hit by those units a lot

do you guys stack 3x toughness regain on all 3 perks? like what do you rock otherwise

[spice veldt]

stacking tough regen is probably a good idea

[crude cape]

i tend to do 1-2 toughness regain, a gunner resistance, a sniper resistance, a a couple flat HP/toughness %'s

[near gale]

This Rashad... it makes me feel things...

[crude cape]

i also have a 4% combat ability regeneration, which seems good if you got 3 of them across the board but i dont

[spice veldt]

though 12% combat regen translates into 3.6 seconds shaved off

it does have a mild impact but not really worth it imo

[crude cape]

idk 3.6 seconds EVERY cooldown, sometimes im a couple seconds away and wish i could p ress it, often in fact

[near gale]

It helps, but, it ends up taking the place of something like sniper resist, gunner resist, or whatever stat you prefer

How should I feel about this Purgatus?

[crude cape]

so if gunner resist isnt that good

is sniper resist worth?

[split oxide]

I have a conspiracy thery abut that:
"Psykentic's Wrath triggers a Sniper Spawn"

[crude cape]

lol ya for real

[near gale]

Gunner resist does more than you think it does, since it affects reapers as well as the elite gunners. Sniper resist helps with you being able to take more than 2 sniper shots, which can help when caught in a really bad spot

[split oxide]

it's the massive range 'F': I think it aggros the sniper dormant in the walls.

[spice veldt]

reapers get staggered from a single bolt LMB

[near gale]

without bonus hp

[spice veldt]

same with gunners, and the real threat of gunners is the fact that they knock your ass back so much

[near gale]

I, personally, think gunner resist is more important on zealots

since they are front line characters

[spice veldt]

probably

[near gale]

sniper resist ends up being more important, from my experience, on vets and psykers

[spice veldt]

at least with psyker, we have a reliable ranged stagger option against gunners/reapers (assuming you're not running purg)

[karmic reef]

Whats the best way to try and unlock higher tier blessings?

[crude cape]

on flamer psyker i find gunners to be an issue someimetimes they catch me out and i dont have the range, and since they're laying into me i cant pull out BB. Its why i run deflector actually, dont know how purgatus psykers deal with those situations without deflector, but i see a lot of people dropping it since the ressing nerf to it

[spice veldt]

a certain trick is that if you RMB and then LMB with BB, you'll immediately stagger gunners when you press LMB

regardless of your charge

[near gale]

While you might dodge snipers most of the time: there are those times you still get tagged

[split oxide]

Sniper is absolutely important..
Sniper > Corruption > Gunner > ToughRegen
(as a psyker - you are a sniper magnet)

[crude cape]

oh i didnt know that, i only use it to precharge dogs and stuff. otherwise it takes longer + more peril

but ill try that

[spice veldt]

somewhat niche trick

I don't get much use out of it because of how rarely the situation for it ever occurs

[crude cape]

wow different than what others told me lol

lots said toughness regain was #1

[near gale]

What I find, for me, on vet/psyker is: Sniper resist is the most important one. Then for Zealot I find Gunner resist is more important

[ornate hamlet]

Everyone gonna have a different take

[crude cape]

is running like 5% toughness x3 for another 15% (or hp) not good?

[spice veldt]

corruption res is really only useful for poxbursters or grims, which are situations that I'm not really gonna build around

[near gale]

vets can tank sniper shots with the 75% toughness dr feat so sniper resist does even more than it does for psykers because you use your career and actually tank the shot

[void mural]

I personally run x3 toughness regen as my maxed stat from rerolling it, and whatever I can get from sniper and gunner resist, preferring sniper resist over gunner. Your choice on the main stat, but I like 1 wound, 1 stamina, and one hp (or toughness on vet)

[split oxide]

oops.. amendment (HEALTH > Sniper > Corruption > Gunner > ToughRegen)

[near gale]

And 3 toughness curios can make it so you can tank sniper shots without sniper resist on heresy, with your career up on Vet and the 75% toughness dr feat.

the sniper resist is mandatory for damnation, though, I think.

[crude cape]

I dont run a stamina, dont find I need it.....
I find i NEED 1 wound, i know lots say not to but i like it.
then i run 2x toughness
i always feel liek spreading out and rocking 1x toughness or HP is barely a bonus at that point

[void mural]

Then yeah, go 2 toughness or 2 hp, depending on your class

[near gale]

For Psyker I have been running 2 toughness and 1 3 stamina for my curios

[split oxide]

take a wound if you want.
in which case sniper is less important... you will die in one shot.. but hey, you got another life.

[near gale]

I generally do 3 toughness on zealot and vet

[spice veldt]

i do +stam cuz I don't run kinetic deflection

[near gale]

vets since they have 200 base toughness and zealot because ewew for 8.33% toughness/sec regen and 50% toughness each career use

[crude cape]

not sure how you guys go without wounds, i guess i go down too much lmao. Corruption % is an issue too low max HP im bad at taking chip dmg i guess why i like to stack my toughness so its less likely to break through to hp

I do run Kinetic deflection

and I also have 1 or 2 block efficiencies

[near gale]

multiple wounds ends up being a noob trap, and usually the extra resource can make it so you don't need the wound... and if your allies can't pick you up that extra wound is completely wasted

[spice veldt]

I have 1050 hours on this game so I don't really go down anymore

[crude cape]

oh...my deimos sword also has locked +1 stamina (unfortunatly) so I get 1 stamina there

[spice veldt]

simply have 1k hours in the game and don't go down; just that ez

[split oxide]

on mission:
corruption + attrition/chip = sniper kill in one shot.

[crude cape]

maybe why i dont feel the need for stamina curio

[olive ember]

Do you run AB? That’s the purge psykers solution to shooters

[void mural]

A lot of people are talking from a place of high skill in this server. Seeing people talk about how they only play hi 5 shock gauntlet because everything else is too boring makes me take their advice with a grain of salt, because I'm not nearly at that level

[crude cape]

ya im like 150 hours, still die in t4s occasionally but find t3s easy

[crude cape]

ya me neither

i get excited when i get a gorup that gets through a 4 without too much oh shit moments

i still fail 4s a good amount (like, at least 30% of matches) but im queuing up with randoms

[void mural]

I only play 4s, with no hi intensity or shock gauntlet because it's too stressful, and too much dependence on pug skill

[near wyvern]

1 extra wound to make it 3 is fine, bull shit things happen at times so it's nice to not get screwed over because a hound decided to spaz around or a sniper decided to no scope quick shot you

[olive ember]

Wdym I only play malice smh

[near gale]

You can go down easy on 4+ and even on 3(if you don't respect the difficulty or just get caught in a bad spot). The extra resource(health/stamina/toughness) can give you the extra leeway to prevent going down in the first place, in a lot of bad situations

[crude cape]

the sniper no scope quickshot when it didnt even give a warning or like, only 1 second is the worst

[olive ember]

Oh yeah I just trained myself to dodge off sound

[void mural]

Haha, not everyone, but I see that kind of attitude often enough in here that it's a consideration for how I regard people's advice

[near gale]

I've dodged that because of paranoid dodges, before where my gut says dodge and I dodge

[olive ember]

It’s kinda meh

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/x7d88g

[split oxide]

I find T5/shock-gauntleters like cross-fit or vegan.
(they'll always let you know)
(and try to flex you)

[near gale]

You still get tagged, sometimes, though

[olive ember]

Yeah the scrub didn’t even dodge

[spice veldt]

i timed the warning on the visual of that sniper shot and it was about 300 milleseconds

[olive ember]

See

You just gotta dodge off sound queue

[near gale]

Doesn't the muzzle flash, or w/e it is, make a sound?

[crude cape]

im good enough when im leveling/trying a new class in full greys/greens, i still play malice from lvl 1 bc it feels still easy and like the "normal" difficulty.
but I'm bad enough that 4s with difficulty modifiers still can often fuck me up. I've only beaten a 5 once or twice and i got carried lol
regular 4's are my sweet spot, still challenging and I fuck up and die at times, but usually im good

[spice veldt]

I think their laser emits a bit of a buzz

[olive ember]

300 ms is huge, average human reaction speed is 250ms

You had 50 ms of leeway wtf are you doing smh smh

[void mural]

Yeah, I dodge snipers off of sound cue with no visual on their location fairly successfully, but sometimes ping just says no and gives you basically no time to dodge

[spice veldt]

smh 😔

[ornate hamlet]

Hmm...

[split oxide]

Try doing a mission WITHOUT 'PsykerWrath' ('F').
Notice a lot less snipers.

[flat vigil]

Human reaction times are much faster when you expect that stuff coming actually

[near gale]

Yeah ping or just realizing just barely too late has gotten me tagged before

[olive ember]

Actually apparently sound reaction time is quicker than visual

About 140-160 ms according to google

[near gale]

It is

[olive ember]

Simply react faster smh

Imagine looking for a laser

[void mural]

Hearing the sniper wind up at the exact time I get sniped, or no sound at all

[near gale]

I have a good headset for sounds, but, when I am too hyperfocused on stuff it makes sound queues harder to hear

[near wyvern]

Yeah that's the no scope quick shot. What a legend.

[spice veldt]

I straight up don't have a good reaction time at all

[void mural]

Absolutely frustrating when that happens

[olive ember]

No wonder you need kinetic shield smh

[split oxide]

My reaction time is fine ... as long as I'm not Running.

[spice veldt]

tf2 sniper strats to hide your laser

[hollow current]

Anyone been able to solo the assassination bosses?

[olive ember]

On sedition yes

[void mural]

Or times where the sniper is allowed to shoot through cover, but you can't shoot him, or target him with BB. Absolutely BS

[split oxide]

not possible .. too many QuickPlayers(like me)

[hollow current]

with the constant horde and elites

[spice veldt]

maybe on low intens magistrati

I don't think I could ever do that on chasm terminus

[hollow current]

I just had one on chasm station where we lost but I rezzed the team 3 times

Got the fucker down to 30% but goddamn was that frustrating

[spice veldt]

since the boss' shield regenerates after some time of being undamaged

[near gale]

I mean... I'm tempted to use this perk instead of maniac damage, since I am using an autopistol which shreds most maniacs...

[spice veldt]

so I guess if you pay attention to damaging them every-so-often, kiting them, dealing with the specials that can disable you right as they step out of the closets

[void mural]

It really is frustrating when your team just can't stop going down in boss fights. I've mostly taken to handling trash spawns during the boss's fight, unless the boss is focusing me, and hoping my team can handle at least just fighting the boss

[spice veldt]

1. get fucked by specials because you stood too close to the doors
2. get fucked by shotgunners and ranged spawns because you stood too far away from the doors to gank them as soon as they spawn

[flat vigil]

Try unarmoured instead then

[near gale]

I was thinking that, but, slaughterer should take care of unarmored enemies

[split oxide]

There's a surefire way of beating assassination:
(before entring the elevator): "My Purg is Primary CC. Enjoy."

[near gale]

Combat axes shred the void shield

[flat vigil]

That’s true but unarmoured helps with some specials I think

[near gale]

snipers only, iirc

[spice veldt]

only unarmoured special is sniper iirc

[flat vigil]

If you know the sweet spots

Ah

[hollow current]

Teams that wail at his shields with no regards to their surroundings make me want to let the warp take me.

[spice veldt]

dreg enemies and groaners being the other ones

[near gale]

It would be dreg gunners, you are thinking about

[flat vigil]

Elite then maybe? I get mixed up

[near gale]

and those are elites

[spice veldt]

the majority of specialists are maniac

[near gale]

^

[spice veldt]

and some parts of scab enemies

[near wyvern]

I regularly clear damnation+ and can carry some as well. I recently started to level my alts and from my experience even if you are an experienced player you should not go to herecy pugs before 20 and damnation pugs before 25 simply because your gear will not have enough damage.

If you already have banked good blessings and get lucky upgrading things to orange (like Bromentum 2 on a rashad or antax) you can take -5 from the level requirements but yeah... You need proper gear to get into herecy and damnation not to talk about being able to carry in them.

It's a different story if you are in a pre-made and your team has damage. You can always spec into control and as long as you can hold your own you are not a liability.

[split oxide]

The problem is when melee crew get distracted by horde.

[flat vigil]

I usually play with a hammer zealot so I never have to focus on maniacs

[near gale]

The reason I am thinking 20% block efficiency is that gives me a 42% base with the 10% I have locked in on a curio, the t4 deflector, and the 20%

[spice veldt]

I dislike mutants so I would prefer them to be as dead as soon as possible

[void mural]

What's more frustrating to me is seeing all 3 teammates go full bore with ranged weapons at the boss's shields... makes me die a little inside every time I see that

[near gale]

and I have a +3 stamina curio, so the +1 stamina doesn't add more overall efficiency

[spice veldt]

though they're quite fucked with the recent patch

[hollow current]

ogryn ripper gun is really good against it. Especially the MK V since it dumps so fast. Otherwise I agree yeah.

[split oxide]

flamer MELTS the shield.
FS is also good. First Charged hit, then pimp-slap it 6-8 times.
Charged FS does so much damage that the Boss raises it's shield immediately.

[near gale]

Flamer damages it good, and also kills the hordes

[void mural]

But shield takes 50% ranged damage, and 300% melee damage... why would you waste bullets and time on that? use it when the shield is down.

[near gale]

making it doubly effective

[shadow wigeon]

3 Surge Psykers and 1 vet.
I love surge, I main surge, it's my favourite staff. You can carry a game with surge by making it easy for everyone else.

But don't be that surge psyker that never switches off your staff the entire game. You're gonna perpetuate the meme for people that don't understand surge.

[near gale]

if you have a bad weapon for it, sometimes your ranged is a better option... usually it isn't the case, but, sometimes it is

usually only burn weapons or fast rof weapons

[void mural]

Eh? I've never seen a ranged weapon chunk the shield better than literally any melee weapon

[ornate hamlet]

I have a good Revolver as Psyker.

[hollow current]

Try it out in the psykanium. I swear one mag dump from the ripper gun drops his shield down by 50%. Not bad when you got melee guys on him to. It's one tool that can make boss fights really quick if the ogryn goes into the arena with full ammo.

[near gale]

I mean the only real cases are flamers/purgatus killing the hordes as well as damaging the shields which makes them do 2 different things at once while the others focus down the boss

[void mural]

With a spawn mod or something?

[hollow current]

Yeah.

[ornate hamlet]

Should I replace Speedload with Sustained Fire?

[near gale]

otherwise it just depends on the ranged and melee weapons

[void mural]

Yeah, but that's a different thing. Not just pew pewing the shield

[near gale]

sustained fire is super bad

[void mural]

Ah, I haven't messed with that yet

[leaden thunder]

basically if the weapon can do enough damage to reach the 5% cap with the 50% ranged damage reduction his siheld has

it may be worth shooting the shield

oh and fires fast

[near gale]

What is the weapon?

[ornate hamlet]

Revolver

[hollow current]

I feel like the ogryn for the most part has poor melee options for monstosities anyways.

[void mural]

5% cap? I've never head of that. Is that just any single instance of damage vs the void shield is capped at 5% of the shield?

[leaden thunder]

around there yes

[ornate hamlet]

Wait until we get a Crusher's stuff

[void mural]

Huh, good the know

[leaden thunder]

I am unsure if it is exactly 5%

but it's why you don't see Thammers chunk the fuck out of the shield

[void mural]

Ah, I guess that makes sense

Just absolutely deletes the hp under the shield

[split oxide]

Illisi will slap that shield of the boss so fast.

[ornate hamlet]

Speaking of slap, when can we have a Knife that does that for the 3 classes as a special?

[split oxide]

I don't like knives. Makes zellies move too fast for the team to maintain coherency.

[ornate hamlet]

It's more convenient for me, since I lag behind often.

(For loot and stuff they missed)

[hollow current]

I just tested the ripper in the psyk vs the captain shields and it seems like it's closer to 40% with the V and 50% with the II.

[split oxide]

Staff, and BB(counter intuitive, I know) always has slowest sprint speed.
Carry the sword instead to keep up.

[spice veldt]

do your cardio

[ornate hamlet]

I still prefer the Knife for running, even though the FSword's a favourite of mine.

Sometimes, I literally spawned in at the starting point while the rest are far ahead of me.

[split oxide]

Grims/Scripts/Mats (Loot is an affectionate name, precious).
As long as you're in the same room, it's all good.

[ornate hamlet]

Still, GOBLIN