psyker-class

[long wharf]

In every world, needing to kill something in the next second or two means BB is the wrong tool

[split oxide]

say that standing in melee range with a crusher.. @ damnation

[ember hornet]

then you are playing wrong, why has the crusher already made it next to you without you doing something

[long wharf]

Because shit happens

[ember hornet]

and literally just slide dodge backwards

you can't get hit by crushers with BB if you just slide

[hollow dove]

Does anyone bind their dodge and slide to the same key? Just curious

[kind jay]

yes

[river sand]

that is a situation where i stand pretty relaxed, one hand on my mouse nuking stuff, the other trying to get that shitty last M&M out of the bag, while im yawning. cause i brought trauma staff and no crappy purg

[split oxide]

that's just bravado, ambushes happen.
'get gud' is just sneering without acknowleding shocktroops happen

[kind jay]

i do dodge/crouch on spacebar

[ember hornet]

if BB is your tool for burst damage in bad situations, good luck

it's not bravado

[split oxide]

oh - i forgot about trauma .. nice one

[ember hornet]

I tried dodge and slide on same key and found I just had less freedom

[long wharf]

No, that's the point being made. BB isn't an emergency tool without Kinetic Barrage

[ember hornet]

so I went back

BB still does the same job without barrage

plenty of stagger

plenty fast

[river sand]

??

its super slow and only hits 1 enemy

[ember hornet]

yeah you can pop a few more enemies but like eh

it's still fine without it imo

I'm not saying barrage is bad

but it's not required

barrage is definitely good

[hollow dove]

BB is one of my favorite mechanics in the game -- I find it very hard to use without Kinetic Barrage.

[split oxide]

Deimos is anti-elite, anti-specialist(charged).
Illisi is anti-horde.

[river sand]

killing a crusher with BB takes the same time you kill 5 with trauma staff. BB is a situational tool with very limited usefulness. mostly long range sniping before the engagement starts

[ember hornet]

I agree with that

I don't think it's usefulness is that limited though

it is if you have a vet lol

[river sand]

ppl who run around BBing all the time are crippling themselves and are doomed to stay in malice or depend on beeing carried

[cyan notch]

me

[ember hornet]

If I were running actual psyker build I'd probably use AB or KB in that order

[split oxide]

I thought we were talking about Deimos/Illisi.
But yeah - only time I use BB is gunners/snipers/reapers/bullwarks.

[river sand]

bb is great for open up a bulwark if you dont have a trauma with you. thinning out gunners/shotgunners before you engage a room. maybe get a fleeing trapper or snipe a sniper/bomber. but its not your main skill

[ember hornet]

I just run quicken with illisi for the lulz

[split oxide]

I hate trauma, never played it since beta.
It scarred me.

[ember hornet]

trauma is good now

[hollow dove]

IMO Trauma is by the most versatile and generally powerful staff on damnation.

[ember hornet]

they really need a new word in this game that covers both elites and specials

[split oxide]

It could do triple damage, and I still wouldn't touch it without a Penance Requirement.

[ember hornet]

I wouldn't touch either purg or surge myself

[kind jay]

douchebags?

[ember hornet]

If I want to run purg I'll just play zealot lol

[ember hornet]

it's just annoying that all the feats and descriptions say elite

when it's both elites and specials

[kind jay]

yeah agree

[ember hornet]

purg is the only staff I have with double T4s from melk 😦

and I've never used it

really want a perfect void over anything else

[split oxide]

I think the majority of T5 pskyers run Surge/Purg.

[ember hornet]

surge is semi useless, but yeah purg is very good

I would just rather bring a flamer zealot

[hollow dove]

Void seems fun but I can't seem to actually get into it in a match.

[split oxide]

Surge relies on teamwork.
It makes a team stronger.

[ember hornet]

I do enjoy having a good purg on the team

I disagree

well

a good surge user can help sometimes

but otherwise they just randomize melee

and make it harder

flailing bulwarks

stunning muties

not blowing up bursters

half the time I'm like cool thanks for the stun and the other half I hate it

[split oxide]

Insta-stuns elites/specials/bullwarks for your teammates to swarm over it.

It's best if your team isn't script/grim/mat hunting and at least in the same room.

[hollow dove]

Agreed it's inconsistent.

[ember hornet]

they just need to buff it

more targets, more damage

not only doing damage to armor

[hollow dove]

I'm trying to step up my sliding game and I'm not sure if there's any benefit to mapping crouch and dodge to the same key. Anyone do this?

[kind jay]

my experience with illi/surge + a pocket bb has been more positive than not

[ember hornet]

well, Illisi + surge is different cause you are an illisi main

[split oxide]

Surg is not a loadout you use if you're soloing heresy.

I loved playing with Ogryns - I make them stand still, ogyn wallops them.
And they move slow enough for you to follow them.

[ember hornet]

I didn't like losing the freedom to have them separate

and instead made my fingers learn dodge slide

[hollow dove]

Do you use space and control? That's what I've been doing generally.

[ember hornet]

yeah I do

some people remap control to an easier button, or remap dodge to another button instead

[kind jay]

i do it. its weird at first but it works

[ember hornet]

it does work but I want standard dodge too

probably works best on psyker to bind them to the same key tbh

cause infinite dodges

slide dodge consumes 2 dodges

[kind jay]

i don't get why this is the only game in like 30 years you can't have 2 binds for a thing

[ember hornet]

[vestal raven]

agreed

[ember hornet]

I tried making a decent macro for slide dodge

and not being able to release either button when I want felt kinda bad

[ember hornet]

also keep in mind I'm a hammer user so I'm biased against surge for fucking up my flow of 1 shots on muties and bulwarks

cause most surge users can't figure out when the appropriate time to stun is

[kind jay]

all the time

[cyan portal]

Just bind run to w and dodge to s, it's easy mode

[split oxide]

I empathize, but s.. happens:
I regularly get a burster 'facial' when I try to push, but a vet behind me shoots it.

[hollow dove]

Blazing spirit is shit on force swords ,no?

[cyan notch]

yea its pretty mid

[kind jay]

i like to play Russian Roulette with flayer. will my surge proc it and get me bursted or will i safely zap it backwards?

it's fun to find out (not so much for team)

[split oxide]

I've relied a lot less on surge users since I realized you can 'pre-target BB' them before the 'doors in the walls open'.

By the time the doors open, they're frozen and 50% towards BB.

This only works, if you're more than 15m away(charge distance). If you're too close, it will resist the stagger and charge you anyway,

[kind jay]

true

[ornate hamlet]

Should I use the Purgatus Staff with Wildfire or Warp Battery (both with Ascendant Blaze)? And what other item works with Wildfire?

[split oxide]

surge works best if your teammates are in the same room. If you have a few 'solos', you're in for a bad time.

[split oxide]

1. For fun, Warpfire and Ascendant.
2. 'F' (esp. ascendant blaze) triggers sniper spawn.
   I dunno if they are in the walls, but it hits them and they are on the other side of the halls, moving into position.

[ornate hamlet]

Imma just go ahead and use "Fire, Fire, FIRE!" build.

[kind jay]

if i have a solo theyare in for a bad time

[split oxide]

Yup, the GameDirector is a lot more vindictive these days.

[kind jay]

without fail

and i love it because as soon as a pug runs off i know a disabler will immediately spawn

it never fails

when that happens i walk to them

[split oxide]

But seriously, snipers .. 'F' key .. everytime. Without fail.

I dunno if this is the same if you do it in a corridor and the blast hits other rooms.
But do it in a big room, like End-scene or mid-way scene, they will come out.

[kind jay]

no Sprint

[ember hornet]

almost every game is semi solo because of what they did to plasteel and diamantine drops

half the players just run around looking for resource drops

[kind jay]

bro

my own gf runs off

[ember hornet]

it's just baffling fatshark calls scoreboard toxic, and then implements current plasteel and diamantine

[kind jay]

and dies. and then i get to do the walk of shame to her

[cyan notch]

how are they the same thing

[ember hornet]

probably my least favorite thing in the game

[split oxide]

Yes it can be toxic depending on the players.

[ember hornet]

plasteel/diamantine are toxic as fuck in general

[cyan notch]

what why

[ember hornet]

everyone shouting about being a loot goblin

and being like ermagerd you didn't pick up enough plasteel

while the team splits apart

and players run off on their own

it's just bad

I guess it gives the knife a purpose though

[left basin]

who pix wut on illisi

[ember hornet]

absolutely 0 reason we need to look at hundreds of spawn locations to pick up resources

[ember hornet]

slaughterer/unstable

[split oxide]

That's like saying .. we broke the Chastize the Wicked mechanic, now we're going to nerf everything around it so it NEEDS that mechanic.
(instead of fixing the problem, make it a feature)
Oh wait .. now I just made myself sad.

[ornate hamlet]

Which one should I choose?

Roulette, or Deadly Accurate?

[left basin]

you should choose trauma staff

[ornate hamlet]

I already have that.

This is a different setup.

[ember hornet]

you want opening salvo

[split oxide]

Wrong channel?

[ornate hamlet]

I am still a Psyker.

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, lemme get that.

[ember hornet]

oh wait HH can't roll that nvm

sorry

[ornate hamlet]

Breh

[cyan notch]

you dont have to split up solo you can go in twos

[worn cypress]

gunker is meta now get on with the times

[ember hornet]

fuck I fooled myself twice

clicked wrong weapon

it should get opening salvo

opening is a flat power increase on basically every shot

[split oxide]

gunker meta was shredder wasn't it?
(and ascendant blaze)

[ornate hamlet]

Will try to find it later on, after the game stops crashing on my face.

[ember hornet]

well shredder is just meta because it's busted as fuck

[worn cypress]

gunker comes in all shapes and sizes

[cyan notch]

theres nothing inherently toxic about mats its annoying at most thats about it

[split oxide]

for a revolver

[ember hornet]

nope

it has a really fast reset time

[ornate hamlet]

Just don't shoot for slightly less than a second?

I can go with that.

[split oxide]

as long as you don't magdump or sustainfire

[ember hornet]

eh, pretty fucking toxic in a team game where players are "supposed" to move somewhat together

game becomes less about playing and more about collecting plasteel

[cyan notch]

you can move together to collect mats

[ember hornet]

nobody is ever going to do that

they should remove mats and make it a flat reward

[cyan notch]

sure

but thats not toxic

thats just an inconvenience

[ember hornet]

I disagree, it's incredibly unhealthy for the game

[split oxide]

I can see scoreboards now:

• people blocking each other cos their KD ratio wasn't good enough.
• shaming people for low damage.
  You say, only a few people are douches. But that's all you need - a few people.

[worn cypress]

yea it was a problem in vt2

[ember hornet]

people that use scoreboard to be toxic are always going to be toxic people

[violet yoke]

Score board mod make the people the most toxic on all levels

[worn cypress]

people getting vote kicked bc they ran a cc build and had shit dps, etvc

[violet yoke]

I wish it didn't but it does

[split oxide]

FML. that's toxic

[worn cypress]

its like yea toxic people be toxic

[cyan notch]

i dont think picking up mats is incredibly unhealthy its just another resource to manage

[worn cypress]

but dont give toxic people tools to be toxic

[ember hornet]

scoreboard is important in a game like this imo, I want to see numbers

[worn cypress]

I dont care personally, I dont play to maximize deeps I play to keep my team alive

but totally makes sense that people wants it

hence theres a mod for it

[ember hornet]

and you know what I like to shame the ogryn that picked up 900 ammo with 500 wasted and 400 picked up

cause fuck those people

[cyan notch]

well the game doesnt tell u how much ur wasting

nor how much youre picking up per pack

only the voiceline tells you

[ember hornet]

it shows you teammates ammo

and if you can do simple math

then you know how much it is

[split oxide]

I am guilty of doing that sometimes.
I got mad and started at a player when we were pinned by shocktroop gunners, bombers, muties at a chokepoint for like 5 mins.

He was in the other room, swinging at thin air. Killing time.

Then I realized he only had a flamer when we were being shot from the other side of enclavm baross's midway platform.

[cyan notch]

well people without mods cant see that

[ember hornet]

everyone has an ammo counter

and everyone sees ammo indicators

[idle bay]

Why Gun Psyker build are focused only around Shredder? Why not Vraks MK III it's fast, accurate at long range, mobile enough for few dodge during fire, and it can be pinning fire + opening salvo. It deletes everything but Crushers.

[ember hornet]

for teammates

[ember hornet]

cause HH is absolute shit for maniacs

[kind jay]

because shredder shreds

[ember hornet]

and maniacs are basically the only thing that matters on highest difficulty

[cyan notch]

sure but its not exact

[idle bay]

Aim for the head and they dead as poxwalkers.

[ember hornet]

nope

it's much worse than alternatives for maniac

[idle bay]

Vraks MK III only sucks vs Mutants

[split oxide]

shredder has v good ammo economy. And it only takes a hit to trigger heavy damage from Ascendant Soulfire.

[idle bay]

it just tickles thier balls

[cyan notch]

some people are still learning ammo management too

[ember hornet]

people using shredder cause it's extremely strong and has the fastest special TTK in the game

of like any weapon

not to mention it also wrecks all elites except for crushers

[split oxide]

Some weapons do massive damage if you hit weakpoints.
(translation: not spray and pray, but massive criticals on headshots)

[ember hornet]

if you want to use an HH, don't

use agri mk1

[cyan notch]

it wrecks crushers too

[ornate hamlet]

You better not be taking that ghost out, homeboy

[hollow dove]

anyone rocking laspistol?

[ornate hamlet]

Aye

[ember hornet]

agri mk1 is higher dps, good for burst shooting, better crit and weakspot scaling, good maniac damage, and also hipfire

[idle bay]

Agry MK IX is still bugged and sometimes chokes and fire singles instead of bursts?

[split oxide]

Ghost4 is OP

[hollow dove]

How do you run it?

[ember hornet]

agri HH is still fucked yeah

[ornate hamlet]

I usually press shift

[hollow dove]

kek

[lethal folio]

shoot face or hope for crits

[ornate hamlet]

I have uhhh ghost and uhhhhh

[idle bay]

Wait.. i thought T4 Ghost did nothing? At least it used to do absolutely nothing

[ornate hamlet]

I forgot actually, I mostly just clap them on the face

[lethal folio]

Ghost means reapers do nothing.

[ornate hamlet]

Long as the laser is in their eye socket and I have ghost, I just take as long as I want

[hollow dove]

Nice, will have to hunt for that.

[ember hornet]

most of the ghost style blessings don't do much, but ghost is the best of them for niche scenarios

[lethal folio]

Between the eyes is helpful, but not damage.

[split oxide]

Relies on you are racking up elite kills at a fast pace.

[idle bay]

I have this collecting dust. Becasue it slow as kark.... and at that time Ghost did exactly nothing - you still get face full of lasers and bullets even if you did headshot after headshot.

[tropic vigil]

i see a voidstrike with surge iv, should i buy it?

[split oxide]

Looks like you haven't 'Earned' Ghost4 yet.

[idle bay]

Gun still not that bad to shove it down the Hardrons ass to earn blessing

[split oxide]

True - but the ultimate fate of the workhorse is the glue-factory.

[idle bay]

Or sausage

[split oxide]

So if you find a good one with lvl4 Opening Salvo, you can transfer Ghost.

[tropic vigil]

im going to switch to staff on left since i just got it, but does surge even work for it? or what should i swap it for and what should i swap carapace for?

[idle bay]

Keyword - find 🙂 Melk's shop whave gone bad for me like it was at few first months since launce

[split oxide]

My Account is cursed. I've never had 4/4 blessings.

[tropic vigil]

omnissiah favors me

melk had the staff but got lucky at hadron. needed warp flurry iv too but i dont know if i want to sacrifice the staff

[split oxide]

I'm wondering if Beta players have a silent-nerf.
Or 'all our buffs' got spent during launch.

[idle bay]

For some unexplained reason i still does not have Shred T3 (or any shred) for Combat axes 🙂

[tropic vigil]

also, is powder burn iv worth getting for autopistol?

[split oxide]

That's the close-range one right?

[tropic vigil]

yea

[split oxide]

It depends on your playstyle.
Do you get up-close(<15m) with the pistol or long-range.
Does it work with the gunker build.

[tropic vigil]

i actually havent ran autopistol too much just a few times but typically close range

anything thats snipe worthy i just bb

i just worry once i buy it, ill barely use ap anyways and then there will be a great roll next

[lucid pewter]

should i brainburst bosses while playing with blaze and purgatus or should i burn them ?

[split oxide]

I prefer ascendant blaze+warpfire+purg.
I can burn entire fields before melee crew can get to them.
I can out burn flamers (since the soulfire ignites the neighbours).
But I'm on a pickmix, so it's KineticBarrage for me. 😢

If it wsn't for snipers, I'd be running AB every 30sec.

[split oxide]

If you're using a pistol, you should be using ascendant blaze.

[long wharf]

there's only one boss immune to soulblaze, and that's demonhosts

you definitely want to stack up soulblaze on bosses

[cyan notch]

wdym immune

that doesnt make sense

[long wharf]

https://lmgtfy.app/?q=meaning+of+word+immune

[summer prairie]

dh isn't immune though

[long wharf]

it definitely is

[summer prairie]

https://streamable.com/ybk18b

[long wharf]

that definitely changed then

couple patches back, it wouldn't take damage from soulblaze

was reported, too

[cyan notch]

what

[summer prairie]

I remember the captain having an issue with bleed/burn/sb stacks

[cyan notch]

never heard of nor experienced such a thing

[summer prairie]

maybe you are thinking of that

[cyan notch]

this is so wild randomly claiming dh is immune to soulblaze

[obtuse moth]

all force swords are viable against hordes because force pushes can manage hordes indefinitely, especially with power bonuses from blessings @violet yoke. are some more optimal than others? yes.

[cyan notch]

even way back kinetic overload had a problem with it procing on demonhosts

which guess what does damage to them

which was why it got got changed

[obtuse moth]

didn't wrack and ruin also trigger daemonhosts?

or was that AB? either way though same result

[cyan notch]

never tried wrack but id assume it does

[summer prairie]

she has a counter and damage/suppression/light/whatever adds to it and triggers her stages

[white cedar]

which one is better for Flurry build 🤔

[obtuse moth]

base stats wise i'd say the right side

[agile frigate]

how good is this sword?

[white cedar]

non max level character?

[agile frigate]

lvlö 24

[summer prairie]

any weapon you find before level 30 is not good, I mean it's worth using for now

[agile frigate]

oh-

[white cedar]

it have Slaughterer, it worth to use thou

[obtuse moth]

don't sell it when you're done with it though, earn that slaughterer blessing to put on future swords

[agile frigate]

what about deflector

[obtuse moth]

deflector is fine but slaughterer is the more useful blessing if you use the sword to kill, if you use it as a defensive tool by all means save and transfer the deflector instead

[white cedar]

it's good to have

[agile frigate]

im using it for kill and defensive

[white cedar]

deflector is comfort blessing, you don't use it that much in late game since you have to dodge everythings

but I always have in most of my FS

[wet jacinth]

ogryn shield

Protecc

[near wyvern]

9 stam KD deflector protecc

[inland sand]

Deflector is definitely not a comfort blessing. I never leave home without it

[clever verge]

I run +9stamina curios with block efficiency unironically

Dh hit does like 4 peril

[obtuse moth]

what do you use all the stamina for normally

[summer prairie]

when there's no dh, you use it to run to the nearest one

[clever verge]

frontlining and tanking ranged enemies. It's like ogryn's shield except my deimos does damage

why stack hp or toughness when there's an option not to lose both thanks to additional stamina

[obtuse moth]

because it requires not killing enemies aka playing like a shield ogryn

thanks to kinetic deflection and insane stamina regen you can use all your stamina offensively and don't need to keep any of it in reserve for blocking

[clever verge]

ogryns deploy shield and remain passive. I keep spamming "poke" attacks which paired with slaughterer deal massive damage

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/l_ol8sMQQDc

[obtuse moth]

spamming poke isnt going to do anywhere near as much enemy clearing as continuing to swing illisi or just using a staff. also ogryns can use right click on shield too, they don't need to alt-fire

[clever verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDHeLjILVY4 same idea lol

[clever verge]

personal preferences i guess. I don't like illisi's limited dodge distance

[ember hornet]

comparing to shieldgryn is not a great place to start

[near wyvern]

Yeah when I do melee Psyker it's definitely more like a zealot with the ability to cosplay a shield ogryn but only if needed (covering a res mainly)

Slaughter Illisi is a lotta damage. Deflector + Stamina curios with KD and in we go.

[ember hornet]

I just slide and dodge like a madman that has infinite dodges lol

[near wyvern]

I wish I could use a shotgun

[ember hornet]

I would play psyker again if it had a shotgun

[near wyvern]

I do that too, but not when I am covering a res since you need a wall to protec from that ranged fire

For now I use surge as a pseudo shotgun

[ember hornet]

yeah rez is like, the 1 big difference

[obtuse moth]

people on reddit were saying the trauma staff left click should be shotgun like (id prefer it to have some ability to hit ranged targets)

[clever verge]

imagine running gun on psyker anyway

[near wyvern]

Deals no damage but at least I can zap a bulwark open and one shot them with illisi special heavy head

[ember hornet]

I would never have used a gun on psyker if they didn't give it 2 of the strongest melees in the game

[near wyvern]

I wouldn't give a single fuck. I rarely use the LMB. The only things are like a lotta grouped ranged at the end of a long bridge. Otherwise it's BB or RMB.

[near wyvern]

Yeah Illisi + Warp Unleashed was a game changer for gunkers.

[ember hornet]

staff left clicks are just... why

why are they all the same shitty thing

[near wyvern]

Laziness, budget cuts

[limber heath]

i wouldn't mind them all being the same thing if they didn't hurt me to use. i hate projectile weps in most cases

not to mention the psyker ones at least for me so far i cannot aim consistently, feel like they either lag or my brain is lagging

[near wyvern]

Nah it's because the projectile has some weird delay for the cast and your movement affects the flight path. It's impossible to hit things if you are strafing at the same time.

[obtuse moth]

^

[ember sentinel]

yeah that combined with travel time can make it weird to aim

[hollow dove]

Team, how do you build surge? It seems like Crit Chance and Damage is solid if you get harnessing the warp.

Or is this fake news?

[timid kayak]

Harnessing the Warp for sure yeah, it’s good against armor but it’s just gonna tickle the unarmored enemies

[lost elk]

i should buy this from Melk just for the blessing right?

[timid kayak]

Siblings help with Voidstrike? How good/rare is Surge IV? I have only really used Surge staff or Purg so I have no idea if it’s worth grabbing

[leaden thunder]

rare? yes

good? not really

[timid kayak]

Ah, dang

[leaden thunder]

I mean it's funni

it doesn't work on truama like at all rn

it does work properly on void's primary and secondary fire

[timid kayak]

So the stats are good but between blessings and perks this would be a pass?

[hollow dove]

To me this looks solid for sure. Stats are good. You could reroll either perk. And switch out Focused Channeling for something if you like

[timid kayak]

Thanks. I’m thinking I might grab it just in case. The game is telling me to run Voidstrike because it keeps giving me pretty solid ones 😂

[fierce sinew]

may as well run the surge+nexus meme setup on it since you can't flurry+transfer

[split oxide]

what about flurry?

[river sand]

elite dmg to flak or crit and focused to nexus

flurry without transfer is very mediocre

and the surge/nexus is not as meme as ppl think

[split oxide]

nexus doesn't exist in lvl4 I think

[river sand]

sure it does

well its called harnessing the warp now but its there

[split oxide]

Hmm let me check for surge

[fierce sinew]

it's there, it just drops at a rate that might convince a casual observer otherwise

[river sand]

nothing to check

[split oxide]

For Purg: Flurry, HarnessTheWarp, TerrifyingBarrage
So that's the new name... I didn't know that.

[split oxide]

Wait, tis one is still called Nexus

[river sand]

nah just an old screenshot

[split oxide]

cool, that that clears up my confusion. thx

[timid kayak]

I really really wish you could swap stats between weapons because I would have an absolutely gross Voidstrike if I just steal the stats off that Surge IV one

[hollow dove]

is Precog + Uncanny usable on knife?

[river sand]

everything is usable but precog is never desirable

knife my favs are lacerate + mercykiller and uncanny+executor

precog is by far the worst blessing in the game

not sure which one i like most ....

[scarlet bear]

Trauma is my favorite

[hexed ether]

nr 3

[shrewd nest]

All chads have trauma

It's confirmed

[scarlet bear]

I killed a whole horde wit it

With

Fun watching all the mobs being thrown around

[pearl lion]

Anyone who calls themself a chad unironically deeefinitely has trauma lmao\

[shrewd nest]

EXAAACTLY

THIS GUY GETS IT

CHADS HAVE TRAUMA

[scarlet bear]

I can endure it xd

[pearl lion]

to be fair

Anyone on a warhammer 40k videogame discord probably also has trauma

[vale creek]

i have build for all staffz :thonk

and for gun too

[shrewd nest]

I need to build me up a Purgatus at home I mean blazing spirit trauma staff still, got the lovely rending fury one set up, but gotta get that second one

[scarlet bear]

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-gif-sobbing-uoooh-gif-24612778

Xd

[shrewd nest]

[scarlet bear]

Be nice if they add some melee options

Like the body modification psycher displines

That make their physical attacks stronger

[shrewd nest]

Yeah, especially since they already have my 2 favorite melee weapons

[scarlet bear]

Force swords?

[shrewd nest]

yeeee

All 2 of them.

[scarlet bear]

I love the new slash one

[pearl lion]

2h force sword is likely coming either in the content drop or with new classes is my guess

[scarlet bear]

It cleans hordes up

Thanks phone….

Machine spirit want to make me look stupid

[pearl lion]

I still want to see a force axe and force pike etc

[scarlet bear]

A pike!

I want that

I see a axe on a space merine

[hexed ether]

force glaive custodes wannabe

[scarlet bear]

May be too big for a small psycher

It’s sad that my favorite merine chapter is the salamanders

[pearl lion]

Force axe is definitely a thing, pretty sure they have human sized ones

[leaden thunder]

if it is a melee weapon

[river sand]

flurry + rending is the the standard, but lets be honest you wanna be top dog on the dmg screen so rending does nothing for you. the little bit extra crit at least increases your overall dmg by roghly 2%

[leaden thunder]

they can make a force/chain/power version of it

and a normal human sized one as well

[scarlet bear]

Anything you can channel the warp into yeah

[leaden thunder]

even blunt weapons have chain version iirc

[neat sand]

at long last its the staff i wanted and finished mahahaha \o/

[scarlet bear]

That’s pretty good

[river sand]

why barrage on a purg ?

[scarlet bear]

I need to get a better staff

[river sand]

go for crit

[shrewd nest]

Why not barrage?

[leaden thunder]

it barely does anything

[shrewd nest]

crit is good also

[scarlet bear]

Barrage give cc I gues

[river sand]

cause barrage does nothing for you

[leaden thunder]

most melee enemies can't be supressed

[neat sand]

it keeps me alive so i can just burn them and laughs like a mad woman XD

[leaden thunder]

only groaners and charging stalkers/shooters can be

[scarlet bear]

For our beloved

[river sand]

the radius of cloud an barrage are pretty much the same

so you suppress the enemies that are suppressed from your fire ...

[scarlet bear]

This scares me

[leaden thunder]

the ones that even can be supressed

[river sand]

put nexus on it. crits give double soulblaze stacks

[scarlet bear]

As a psycher xd

I got a nice thing on my sword

That give bonous damage for perils

[leaden thunder]

one of the better blessings for the sword

great for max damage alongside sluaghterer

[neat sand]

if a T4 crit shows up i will try it but fornow i will burn them all with Tzeentch emperor's furry XD

[scarlet bear]

Lol

I randomly got the toss and kill 7 enemies in 2 seconds achievement

Idk how

I was just clearing waves

Off a cliff

That is

Still need to kill a boss dealing 90% of it HP with brain

….

A pain to do with randoms

But I am excited for the new outfit we are getting

[neat sand]

97% impossible with a pug your much better off finding 3 people who also need somthing and working as a team to do that 🙂

[scarlet bear]

It was in a dev post

[shrewd nest]

I don't really like the new outfit.. but god damn glad we're getting different shit

[scarlet bear]

I like it because it not strictly military uniform

Plus you can mix and match parts

To make it to your liking

[pearl lion]

Yeah. Im hoping we get some colour variants too

[scarlet bear]

Same

[leaden thunder]

I like them themeatically

they are like "local" outfits

[pearl lion]

They kind of look like dreg kit

[leaden thunder]

rather then more military stuff

[scarlet bear]

Correct

The sharp shooter

[pearl lion]

The super medieval cape thing on the one on the left is pretty funny

[scarlet bear]

Still look military

[shrewd nest]

Yeah, I like the idea of em a lot more than as something I want to wear myself

[pearl lion]

Looks like the Henry from Skalitz special

[scarlet bear]

Yeah the cape one is preacher …

[shrewd nest]

They're a step in a great direction

[cedar cove]

I expect plenty of friendly fire before people get used to the way the new garb looks 😆

[pearl lion]

I do wonder if they're going to drop a new zone or something

Like those are such a drastic change I imagine there will be some lore justification

[shrewd nest]

Not this patch

[scarlet bear]

Their going to be a new mission

After the next update

Late May

[pearl lion]

Also with the existing ones shifting to be in the REDACTED set of penances

[scarlet bear]

It’s said to be in throneside

[pearl lion]

I imagine they might address the whole "reject" of it all

at some point

Like, we're not rejects any more at 30

[scarlet bear]

Psycher is sadly a reject even in merines xd

[pearl lion]

Nah not in the marines

[leaden thunder]

level 30 we are offically a part of the inquisitorial warband

which is relatively speaking

[pearl lion]

Librarians are pretty well respected

[leaden thunder]

really fucking high standing

[scarlet bear]

Because psycher generally are risk units

Which is why it only to be used when sanctioned

[pearl lion]

Theres an entire order of the inquisition that is made up of exclusively psykers - other than their auxiliaries

[scarlet bear]

You are correct

But doesn’t change how some see them as ticking time bombs

[leaden thunder]

librarians generally aren't

they don't blow up like normal humies ones do

[pearl lion]

Also you know

[scarlet bear]

Very true

[pearl lion]

The Emperor

[scarlet bear]

Yeah the most powerful psycher in the universe

I know we likely never see it

But it be neat to have a null class

[pearl lion]

Thatd be neat but im not sure how they'd implement it

[scarlet bear]

Likely have to add something that deal psych damage

[pearl lion]

My strong suspicion for the next archetype is a tech adept

[scarlet bear]

I heard rumors

It may be a protective type of psycher

[pearl lion]

Oh yeah for class

Im talking whole new archetype

[scarlet bear]

Ah yes

I heard two things

That and sisters of battle

Issue is

[pearl lion]

I imagine SoB will just be a cosmetic

[scarlet bear]

Idk what a sister would be in the inquisition

[pearl lion]

Cause we already have zealots with bolters and flamers

[scarlet bear]

Since they have a order

[pearl lion]

Pretty sure they're often in Hereticus warbands

[leaden thunder]

we aren't gonna get a full new base class for a while

[scarlet bear]

This is true

[leaden thunder]

so tech adept is far off

[pearl lion]

Oh yeah, I know, I'm just saying Tech Adept seems the most likely

[scarlet bear]

Be nice to have a tech priest of sorts thoygh

[leaden thunder]

but protectorate psyker, gunlugger ogryn etc should be soon

[scarlet bear]

Since their iconic in warhammer

[pearl lion]

Im wondering if we get iron arm biomancer or protective first

It'd kind of be a shame to not see a pyromancer or something though

Just for varying the aesthetic

[scarlet bear]

In beta I heard psycher was coded as biomancer

[pearl lion]

Cause The protective one would be telekinesis discipline and iron arm is also biomancy

[scarlet bear]

Though unlike lore

Psycher in dark tide seem to use all displines

[pearl lion]

I think biomancer=psykinetic

Just a more easily identifiable role to non-40k-nerds

[scarlet bear]

Let’s just pray we never run into genestealers

Because that could become problematic for psycher

Mostly talking about teranides evolution abilities to evolve to counter many fighters

But unlikely so that’s good

Just gotta deal with nurgle

So how is everyone doing

Welp I killed chat 😦

[shrewd nest]

Ya killed me, but other than that

[sour atlas]

okay does anyone think that the design of the psyker feats are incorrect? like they forgot to arrange them in a cohesive sense?

like why is the 2nd column have 2 things that refer to peril but then wrack and ruin doesn't fit in with peril?

[crude cape]

for a deimos sword, gonna rock deflector + slaughterer.
but what perks do i want? +% maniac damage right? what about the second

[stable silo]

technically we arent rejects at all even from the start if you look at some of the missions we go on, they all seem pretty vital at this point

IF PRODUCTION OF THE LEMON RUSS TANKS FALLS EVEN 0.5% THIS PLANET IS LOST SO GO SAVE THIS FACTORY

uhhh okay dokey

[lethal swan]

Exterminatus - it's the only way to be sure

[karmic delta]

Were pretty much a Spec Ops team send to do vital missions to kepp the war effort going

[split oxide]

Go to the mission: Vigil Station Oblivium

• Last room has 2x walkways.
• Defend the toughest walkway.
• When the final extraction alarm goes off
• • Block push and allow the bridge to fill up
• • move to the doorway on one CORNER of the door frame
• • (if you're brave enough, stand on the bridge in the corner - with the doorframe braced against your back)
• • Psykeinetc wrath (quicken or kineticbarrage(not ascendant blaze)) at a 45 degree angle
• • run

[split oxide]

🍋 russ

[supple skiff]

on my vet and I seem to constantly be rolling tier 2 and 3 perks and blessings

so bizzare

never happened on my psyker

[split oxide]

Maybe it's your oldest character?
Were you a Beta tester?

[ornate hamlet]

You can also get the thingy to toss enemies off a platform with trauma staff

Wacky

[scarlet bear]

I would love some refrence to the old relics of vulkan

But they weren’t exactly psycher weapons xd

Apparently their was a staff though

Song of Entropy

Which is a staff that uses entropic enemy to burn though armor xd

Or so the wiki says

Idk of it been updated

Also who here wouldn’t want a force hammer

Force Axe

Space Marine Librarians who serve as Terminators wear psychically-attuned armour called the Aegis Suit. One of the weapons they typically wield to help enhance their innate psychic abilities is the Force Axe, a carbon steel axe blade which incorporates a psi-matrix. A psi-matrix is a serpentine or interlaced pattern which concentrates psychic energy. Using this weapon, a Librarian can magnify the power of his blows, shattering armour and pounding flesh with his superhuman strength.

Now that sound cool

[tropic vigil]

i would prefer a force axe over a force hammer

despite being really cool i think hammers are zealots thing

[scarlet bear]

Axe would have better killing power

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gif-16488791

[scarlet bear]

Lol

Like you could make it a elite killer weapon

In dark tide

[cold geode]

like the deimos?

[tropic vigil]

i think a machete or something would be cool

[scarlet bear]

Kinda yea

Apparently force weapons are sword axe hammer rod and staff

Spear in some chapters

[cold geode]

by the throne and the rod and the way?

[scarlet bear]

Because I am a nerd looking at the wiki

Xd

[tropic vigil]

what perks for voidstrike staff?

i have 8% ranged crit and carapace, im going to reroll carapace

[scarlet bear]

Hmmm

Depends what you wanna do with it

[tropic vigil]

just shoot hordes mostly tbh

[cold geode]

flak then

[tropic vigil]

kk. ill give that a go

[hollow steeple]

I want both a 1h and 2h force axe

I feel a need
a need to chop

[crude cape]

for a deimos sword, gonna rock deflector + slaughterer.
but what perks do i want? +% maniac damage right? what about the second

[hollow steeple]

flak iirc

[pearl lion]

hmm

[hybrid solstice]

I personally would not buy this

2700 for not even getting a tier 4 blessing is steep

[tropic vigil]

yea

looks like a huge waste

[foggy tangle]

should I pair flurry or rending with a focused channeling trauma staff?

[hybrid solstice]

did you already reroll and lock one of the blessings in?

Ideally you would have both rending shockwave and flurry but if you can only choose one then you will need to decide if you want to help delete ogryn enemies quicker or chunk hordes

[foggy tangle]

It's only blue but I'm not betting on getting one of those with the other with my luck. The stats are godly though so was gonna run it anyways

[hybrid solstice]

What tiers of both of those do you have?

[foggy tangle]

focused channeling is II and I think I only have rending and flurry at II as well saved

[hybrid solstice]

Ah okay

Well i'll just say that i have a trauma staff that has focused channeling (though i'd replace it with flurry if i could) and i run rending in the other slot because i also run an Illisi which decimates hordes just fine

if that helps

[foggy tangle]

that makes sense, I do have a slaughterer / uncanny III illisi thats pretty good I run

[hybrid solstice]

nice nice

[foggy tangle]

doesn't rending only effect allies attacks?

[hybrid solstice]

it applies a brittleness debuff to enemies so theoretically it should work on yours too, idk why it wouldnt

[kind jay]

because

[hybrid solstice]

yeah that could very well be true, for all i know there are hidden FatShark shenanigans attached to it, wouldn't that just be epic

[formal ridge]

worth buying?

[spice veldt]

trauma deals 100% damage to all armour types except infested; thus rending/brittleness only affects trauma's damage towards infested

rending/brittleness mitigates the fact that your attack deals <100% damage to a particular armour type

meh stats and distribution but if you don't have t3 flurry, why not
it's not something I'd waste milk bottles on

rending being the self-buff (all attacks that come from you have armour ignore), and brittleness being the enemy debuff (all attacks dealt to that target have armour ignore)

[formal ridge]

thanks, it was that or this,

[hybrid solstice]

Oh that makes sense

[karmic delta]

Source

?

[spice veldt]

I personally rate melee weapons higher than ranged weapons, so I recommend going for the illisi

[karmic delta]

Is this true?

[hybrid solstice]

However you can still take advantage of brittleness with your melee weapon assuming it doesnt do well against the armor type in question already

[spice veldt]

I only know about what I've heard from others https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/107olbz/wtf_is_rending_brittleness_explanation/

and I've mildly tested it

[karmic delta]

bruh

[spice veldt]

rending/brittleness has never pushed my weapon beyond 100% damage

nor has it done anything to attacks that deal 100% damage

[hybrid solstice]

Bringing stuff up to 100% is fine enough i say

[spice veldt]

the thing that makes rending/brittleness particularly shit is that there are a few attacks that already deal 100% damage or more to certain armour types

instead of 100% being the maximum

[hybrid solstice]

oh hm

nvm then that's lamer than i thought

[spice veldt]

so you're really only going to see a benefit against carapace (Crushers/Maulers) where almost every weapon deals <100% against it

[hybrid solstice]

hmm

[foggy tangle]

damn so probably take flurry over it then

[spice veldt]

I hate crushers though, so I run rending on my trauma

[hybrid solstice]

yeah that's all i use the blessing for anyway

[spice veldt]

and I get flamethrowers in my team often enough to bring it over flurry

[karmic delta]

Yeah thats why I kept the Rending for my Trauma

Very useful when a squad of Crushers are coming

[hybrid solstice]

it sucks that it doesnt give over 100% but it's nice that it still does help against the one thing you bring it for anyway

[spice veldt]

I also have the habit of quelling in-between my casts too much to make good use of flurry, and I'm too lazy to change my habits

[karmic delta]

I pretty much use the Trauma 80% of the time anyway instead of BB

Guys

[spice veldt]

yup

[karmic delta]

some guy told me a while ago

[spice veldt]

as my anti-ranged weapon

is it trauma slander

[karmic delta]

"If you're holding BB with your left click all the time, you're doing something wrong

it goes something like that

[karmic delta]

This true or is he/she just trolling here

[spice veldt]

the general sentiment is that holding BB out all the time is quite bad

since BB has extremely shit DPS

[karmic delta]

The slower charge is just not my kind of thing

Why I dont charge it with my right click

[spice veldt]

right click is 1 second slower than LMB

[karmic delta]

I just wait until they appear in front of me

[ornate hamlet]

BB should be pre-charged for things like dogs, flamers and other specials

[spice veldt]

nah

that'd be too strong

having a tool that you can whip out and deal 1100 damage immediately with is a bit much

and keep in mind that it's still an aim assist weapon

and the sound in this game can be absolutely fucked

I have 0 trust in where sounds are coming for some map areas

I really only use BB's RMB to pre-charge so that I can get warp charges off of trash enemies so that they don't get sniped by teammates

or the occasional period where there's no enemies to deal with but some random trapper spawned behind

since time spend pre-charging your BB can be spent doing something else like moving forward through the map

except for the rare occasions where your progression is stopped (events/finales) and no other enemies are around for you to deal with

or unless you have pre-knowledge of the enemies ahead and where the elites are with vet's bio-optic

[ornate hamlet]

No

I mean you

Pre-charge it for those enemies

By holding down the button to do it

It's already in the game, I'm just saying one of the uses for it

Having it actually sitting charged in your pocket would be kinda wacky, but I was just saying "hold RMB for flying woof"

[spice veldt]

dogs and flamers take 3x melee damage so I'd rather run up to them and beat their ass unless they're behind the team

I suppose you can stagger them both with RMB LMB

not a tech I get to use often so I forget about it

[hybrid solstice]

Ngl i pretty much never pre-charge ever lol

Absolute worst case scenario a flamer blindsides you and you sidestep its flames and BB it

or even just smack it if it's close enough

[supple skiff]

pre bb bursters that havent turned the corner yet

generally ass though

I find you can wiff, like it doesnt always take to the target and it resets

[devout sentinel]

what are the perks to go for on trauma?

flak/unarmored?

[heady garnet]

Is there a rank 4 warp flurry?

[spice veldt]

I like Unarmoured for killing dreg bruisers (450hp) without needing to worry about my warp charges or peril too much

second perk is whatever, but I like flak for killing gunners/shotgunners a bit more easily

[fierce sinew]

finally rolled a correct blessing onto a usable base

cloud could be better

only took 500 hours and several hundred thousand plasteel

[hybrid solstice]

What usually happens to bursters is a vet shoots it down or i just shove it

[lethal grail]

Holy....
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1347mxl/one_psyker_vs_a_lot_more_than_one_poxwalker_wasnt/

[hybrid solstice]

shoving one back into a horde is nice, blasts a lot of chaff away

[formal ridge]

What's the point of deflector (on gun psyker) if you can just kill shooters instead of blocking their shots

I guess I just dont understand how to use deflector properly

is it like an emergency thing?

when im out of toughness, swap to melee and block

[long wharf]

probably because you're playing gun psyker

[kind jay]

it's niche to be sure

and ironic the only weapon that can use it has a better mechanic anyways (inf dodge)

[formal ridge]

What? How does that make sense

[formal ridge]

Think before you speak

[long wharf]

imagine not grasping how to apply game mechanics and telling someone else to think before they speak

[formal ridge]

Exactly blocked

I think I did find the use-case but I had the wrong feat

Gaining peril on block is risky with a force weapon... wish I could change the default peril HUD indicator

[long wharf]

it's not risky at all

it's desirable

[cold geode]

MODS

[formal ridge]

which one? I have custom HUD but that just ADDs an indicator

[cold geode]

nexusmods.com

[formal ridge]

yeah I have like 15 mods installed

or maybe 12 I havent counted

[cold geode]

true peril + crosshair hud

[formal ridge]

Thanks

[cold geode]

crosshair hud is pretty extensive, you can boil it down to just another peril indicator and resize/move it around, true peril shows you what your peril actually is, not the approximate peril that the games normal logic presents up to two decimals, but the decimals dont work with crosshair hud

my current mod list is kinda nuts, its 59 lines long including DMF/UI_extensions

[formal ridge]

lol

yeah I'm at 20...

[crude cape]

is it just me, or does everyone just waste 100's of thousands of gold it feels like rolling grey weapons before even seeing a 370 base

then still get a crap roll on it consecrating...

is this just what im supposed to do lol

or am i being too picky only crafting more like, 360+ stat pool?

[cyan notch]

nah

thats just fatshark wanting you to sink dockets

so u can grind more missions

[crude cape]

so this is not a waste of dockets

this is basically what im supposed to do

right?

also...how do you guys fight hordes with the deimos sword? i guess dont and pull out staff?

but when face with a group of basicish guys - do you just spam light attacks or are you using the light->heavy poke combo even against groups?

[cyan notch]

heavy light

or light spam

[crude cape]

also: am i correct in saying its very rarely if ever worth activating deimos sword? the heavy poke in the light->heavy combo seems to do more dmg in my testing than a charged attack...

[cyan notch]

good for crushers maulers ragers sometimes flamers dogs

[cold geode]

with thunderous you can use the second heavy poke special to kill crushers

or at least get them really low on health were a second poke will kill them with the special

[digital loom]

just spam heavy pokes into their head until they die

its like 500 damage to carapace

reg poke heavy poke block real quick to reset, and repeat

[spice veldt]

the special doesn't do any remarkable damage except against flak enemies on which it deals 200% damage towards

you're really only ever going to use the special for either the stagger or to nuke flak enemies

force sword stagger on normals is meh, so you'll have to throw in pushes every-so-often or just repeatedly dodge sideways

[cold geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtNdViYh5xM

or just hit them twice, with no extra dmg from any other source

used this in the video

[spice veldt]

huh a carapace special is enough to two-shot them?

[cold geode]

with the rending that is applied by uncanny 4

[acoustic trench]

Hadron just borked another once in a blue moon force sword

Upgraded from blue

[spice veldt]

I don't think rending should affect the deimos/obscurus specials, but I'll check again

[cold geode]

it does, and it stacks to 4 because of the way the special works

[spice veldt]

I thought they dealt 100% damage to carapace already

[cold geode]

possibly, but the special for the deimos and the obscurus special hits 4 times total before its done, each hit applies a stack of brittleness

[spice veldt]

I know it generates stacks from the weakspot hits

my point is about rending affecting the damage

because I'm pretty sure the special already deals 100% damage to carapace

hence rending will not affect the damage in any way whatsoever

yup, rending has no effect on the damage

and another thing is that uncanny strike ran out before your second 2nd heavy hit in your video

also, uncanny strike is rending (self-buff), not brittleness (enemy debuff)

[cold geode]

yea i just swapped the blessing and tried it and it worked

with in 2 special hits

so thats cool

[spice veldt]

i guess they must've buffed the special damage since I don't recall the obscurus special being able to do that even with +carapace

or maybe it could always do that since the +15%-25% WU buff

[cold geode]

possibly

[spice veldt]

oh I must've been thinking of the light specials

since I needed a bloodthirsty lightspecial with slaught stacks to two-shot them without carapace before

[cold geode]

https://youtu.be/ILJIeQu6hG4 I changed the rending to deflector for this test

[spice veldt]

another thing is that the 1st and 2nd heavy-specials deal the same amount of damage

[cold geode]

hrm

that makes things quicker when they are in your face then

[spice veldt]

I also prefer light-specials against crushers unless they're alone since the heavy-specials can take longer than it takes for enemies to recover from a push or something

though I guess you can dodge-slide away from them if you're good enough

not sure if the deimos' dodge speed will make that harder though

[crude cape]

oh man just kinda carried a t4, we had what im not sure was either a bot, or like an inexperienced player. 73 kills like wtf lol

how could idzuna kill only 73 units and pick up 0 ammo (116 i believe is just free passive ammo) saw them walking around crouched a few times away from team and was just constantly dead

are there bots?

i doubt in t4 right?

[spice veldt]

was it a recon lasgun knife vet or something

[crude cape]

hmm not sure

[spice veldt]

their overkill is like 33% of their small ass damage

[crude cape]

mission was way harder than it should of been thats for sure

[fierce sinew]

bots won't show up on scoreboard

[spice veldt]

seems like they had some single-target weapon of some sort but somehow not enough to do any meaningful amount of damage

or they joined midway or some shit

[crude cape]

and near the end noticed them crouch walking by themselves, i went over and crouched at them and said in voice+chat "get with team" went to team and they stayed and died 10 seconds later

[crude cape]

no was with us the WHOLE time

straight up

[ornate hamlet]

Chef's kiss

[crude cape]

was dead a lot

[spice veldt]

the dead a lot explains it

i guess just some bad player that queued for t4

[crude cape]

i think we ressed her at the rescue point like 4 times

[spice veldt]

I haven't really had much encounter with players who die too much

usually players know to bring wounds or just sacrifice damage output for playing super safely

[crude cape]

people say wound is bad/crutch

and EVERY time i try to go without it

im struggling

[spice veldt]

if you know you need wounds, then bringing wounds is fine

[ornate hamlet]

Since penance are going out the way, people may be going for their penances now

[crude cape]

ive just accepted i need it lol

[spice veldt]

prob not doing any penances with 32k damage unless they had some severe misunderstanding of some sort

oh I just saw the 2.2k damage taken as a vet

lmao

what in the world

[crude cape]

ya lol

i took a lot too but i was like, almost solo carrying at times it felt

the other 2 vets did ok too tho

i was like almost tanking for us with deflector

lol

[spice veldt]

your teammates seem like they did fine

[crude cape]

we had no one who wanted to rush the ranged guys and i was rocking purgatus

[spice veldt]

gotta be the one to rush the ranged then

if it's not scab shooters (green eyes), they're not gonna do that much hp damage

[crude cape]

ya thats what i did with slides, deflector + force blocking

[formal ridge]

worth upgrading? Ive never played staff pysker,

[crude cape]

been loving purgatus + deimos build...but the vision blocking on purgatus is bothersome.
so I downloaded the HP bar mod for enemies...has tried it out as a solution? i like it so far, i have it set to show ALL enemy healthbars so i can see the hordes hp bars in the flames...helps a lot with clarity

usually i would want to use it to show healthbars on elite/special units to pick them out easier

but with purgatus it helps to have it on hordes i find

[spice veldt]

purg is fine for me as long as bloom is turned off

otherwise it glows like a motherfucker

[formal ridge]

is quell speed a dump stat?

[spice veldt]

as a quietude user, I say no

[crude cape]

oh, i dont have this off

[spice veldt]

but it's whatever

[crude cape]

let me try that LOL

[cyan portal]

It can be, dmg is the better dump stat, but that staff should do work.

[spice veldt]

the staff is ok and focused isn't terrible as long as you use it

[formal ridge]

ok well I guess ill spend the plasteel

Ive wasted it on worse things

[cyan portal]

if you luck into nexus or flurry 4 it'll be a while to replace it.

[spice veldt]

yeah, I wouldn't worry about using up plasteel unless you've got curios to dump them onto

although I'm somebody who only sticks to a few weapons

so I suppose my plasteel usage isn't really that high compared to people who do use more than 2 weapons

[formal ridge]

lol, well it was somewhat of a dud

[spice veldt]

shame about the sprint eff

harnessing the warp is good since crits apply two soulblaze stacks

[gloomy yarrow]

Eh, not too bad

I’d use

[crude cape]

do i buy this? lol

[cyan portal]

Nah it's fine. Replace focused with flurry and sprint with flak or crit chance and it will play fairly well. It certainly won't give you any excuse for underperforming

[crude cape]

i dont have a pistol build but, could try it

also could get that t3 pinning fire i dont have it at all learned

[spice veldt]

purg doesn't really worry too much about stats/perks/blessings as long as you've got a decent burn and cloud radius

[rare mesa]

whats harnessing the warp do

[spice veldt]

if you can spread soulblaze stacks onto everything near you, then woohoo

[gloomy yarrow]

I’d get it just for t3 pinning fire

[rare mesa]

what stat is it increasing

[spice veldt]

crit chance

it's the renamed Warp Nexus

[formal ridge]

no thats not worth th emelk bulks @crude cape

[rare mesa]

kk

[formal ridge]

unless u dont mind wasting

the base gun is basically not very good, and t3 pinning isnt that rare

[crude cape]

just know pinning fire is good, ive never seen a t3 or 4. and I always wanted to try gun build. Also i have a vet im leveling. but i guess waiting for slaighterer or something would be better

[formal ridge]

but if you really want it then you could, I just saw your melk bucks under 2000

like by the time you find a good base gun (dockets) then youll have enough plasteel to find pinning 3 anyway

[crude cape]

its dmg is low at 58% right?

is why its bad?

[formal ridge]

you want 70+ damage and 70+ stopping power

[crude cape]

ok

ty

[formal ridge]

and you want at least one better perk

[crude cape]

figured ranged crit strike chance t3 was ok

[formal ridge]

all I play is gun psyker lol with that gun

[crude cape]

i dont play for hundreds and hundreds of hours to hope for PERFECT rolls tbh, like this is my purg staff and ive been ok with it lol only 332 stat pool

i would like a better one but its tough

[formal ridge]

I mean if you had extra melk bux Id say try it

but something better might come along

[crude cape]

i tend to spend my mats making purp or legendary useable weapons instead of perfect ones, bc i like to mix up builds

[formal ridge]

does purgatus apply soulblaze?

thats its efffect?

[spice veldt]

yes

same soulblaze as the ones in the feat descriptions

[formal ridge]

ty

[dusk sierra]

swap out sustained fire and get flak over carapace, right?

[formal ridge]

yeah

crit does increase stagger and if u never shoot carapiece its pointless to have

sometimes i shoot crushers after 2 brain burst because i know they are low dmg

low*hp

so idk it might be worth keeping

4% crit isnt much, its three times per magazine maximum

and the crit multiplier on the gun isnt great

so an argument could be made to keep carapiece over crit

but 20% of 10 damage is only 2 damage lol

I mean iff u cerebral lacerations twice a crusher will it always die?

like at 0 warp stacks

[crude cape]

whats the best feat setup for autopistol build

and what melee do you run with it

[ornate hamlet]

Is purg staff bad

[forest coral]

Nope

[spice veldt]

purg staff being the best or one of the best

infinite cleave is very strong

[ornate hamlet]

Hmm thats what i kind of noticed, the CC on the lightning staff is great but i feel like the flames stun lock enimies im lvl 16 rn

[crude cape]

how much more difficult is a t4 with increased hound modifier ^ vs a normal lvl 4

would you say its almost as hard as normal lvl 5

or more like a 4.5

[spice veldt]

not much of a difference besides having to sit by a corner every so often spamming melee

[forest coral]

If team was totally uncoordinated, hounds will end the run

[spice veldt]

only have to worry about the team getting split up

[forest coral]

But normally it’s pretty free, having a vet and simply funnelling the hounds is a free ammo refill for everyone

[spice veldt]

I just dislike playing hunting grounds cuz having to stop the pace of the map or being forced to stay with your team sucks

[forest coral]

well, i used to like it

until it became a global condition

and you were forced to deal with it non stop for the entire play session you were on

[ornate hamlet]

Its only use is to get people the pick and mix penance

[ember sentinel]

yeah the hunting grounds one just feels really gimmicky

between me not liking hounds in the first place due to them being janky and it just being stop whatever your doing and spamming melee/the autopistol vet killing them all in 2 seconds its just kinda meh

it does give you a beautiful killfeed though

[near wyvern]

Yeah the event is pretty boring because the best solution requires you to spam LMB in a corner or a doorway for a couple of minutes. It's not really engaging gameplay.

Even the sniper gauntlet is better since you need to be actively dodge sliding and peeking to get rid of them.

[formal ridge]

ascendent blaze, kinetic flayer are the main ones imo

[hidden crystal]

Hounds are just not well implemented. Even with the supposed changes, dodging them is still completely random, and aside being difficult to hit, they're absolute tanks.

The fact they take two brain bursts to kill on higher difficulties is just excessive.

[crude cape]

i did it, we won it! ngl the hounds was kinda fun bc they would come in these huge waves, it was close at times lol was a good mission

[obtuse moth]

thats not true on hunting grounds, hunting grounds dogs are extremely squishy

specifically the ones with glowing green eyes

[lethal lagoon]

I hate hunting grounds because the dogs are programmed not to capture all 4 of you at once, ruins any suspense.

[obtuse moth]

ive seen groups split up and fail hunting grounds anyway

its maddening when people decide they want to go around a corner and put one or two walls between them and their allies who can can free each other with a left click

[crude cape]

oh really?

it was a fun event honestly

this makes me both like it more but also realize a few times we had close calls, probs thats why we didnt wipe lol

[lethal lagoon]

I enjoyed it at first, but after realizing that it just became a free ammo pack if you have a vet.

[hidden crystal]

I wasn't aware there was a difference - I've mostly ignored the mode because "loads of pox hounds" has always sounded like my idea of hell.

[crude cape]

ya i noticed there is a difference

there are normal hounds, then hounds from the 'event'

[lethal lagoon]

I was the 4th and the dogs just watched me, I paid attention a few more times and it became clear they can't capture the 4th.

[crude cape]

they come in waves and have green eyes

seem to have less hp i noticed

easier to flame them to death

which makes sense bc they were throwing like 10+ of them at once

it was crazy

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, they have low Hp, still count as elites, super easy to stagger, etc. It's scary and interesting the first few times but after that it's fine.

[obtuse moth]

it gets really boring if you just huddle around a corner, door or some other obstructinon and spam left click. dogs cant pounce on you unless they have a straight clear line of sight

[hidden crystal]

Other disablers? Snipers? I at least have a good chance of dodging those if I'm paying attention, but I have so many times seen the hounds sail right past me and yet still teleport right on top of me.

[obtuse moth]

climbing up, down or forcing them to go around stops them from being able to pounce until they maneuver into position

[lethal lagoon]

Block push and dodge, or swing and dodge, seems to be the play. Shore up your bets.

[obtuse moth]

fwiw, dogs are really sensitive to being pushed

[hidden crystal]

So an "extra hounds" mode has been a long way up my list of "nopes", and I usually only end up in one when I feel like gambling on Quickplay.

[obtuse moth]

the detection radius for pushes is massive, if you dodge/dodge slide sideways at the same time you are very safe even if you dont have something to hide behind

[spice veldt]

the caveat for pushes is that their hitbox lingers for only an instant

I prefer to just attack instead of pushing

[crude cape]

question: does anyone still use the dueling swords? i loved them on launch but ever since the new force swords, feels like you're trolling if you're not using deimos or at least illisi

is there any niche for the dueling swords?

[lethal lagoon]

Illy is bae

[spice veldt]

block cost and mobility

otherwise, no other good thing about the duelling swords

[obtuse moth]

sliding around, theyre also much better with uncanny strike

[lethal lagoon]

Just straight up melee psyker on t5 and still get first on the board. I feel like I unlocked a sub-class.

[spice veldt]

yup

melee psyker is big dps

[lethal lagoon]

Illy is so much fun to use with 3rd person mode too

Like a brand new game after playing since beta

[obtuse moth]

lots of weapons are viable, its not trolling if you're competent with your kit

dont take it on something you struggle with, but if you're bored go ahead

[spice veldt]

I don't really care if a teammate doesn't do that much damage as long as they don't die

[lethal lagoon]

^

[crude cape]

i find deimos to be my go to with its 1k+ dmg heavy poke when you light into heavy. Can 1 tap ragers etc with it no charge at all just heavy attack to the head.... but i also mostly rock purg staff right now so thats my anti horde.
slaughterer + deflector best on illisi? also, how often do you charge it against say a mixed horde with some mid tier flak guys in there, every couple swings?

[spice veldt]

I can usually make up some of the DPS output with the illisi because of how overtuned it is

and I specifically bring out the trauma as a delay weapon if my team doesn't have the DPS

[lethal lagoon]

If I'm in 3rd person, I basically charge every swing, 1st person, just to keep up peril.

[crude cape]

3rd person?

[spice veldt]

if it's a mixed horde, I always use specials

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah 3rd person mod, hard to get headshots so I charge it more often.

[spice veldt]

if you just dodge sideways in one direction, you're pretty safe against all melee attacks except ragers

[crude cape]

but just groaners/poxwalkers no need to charge i guess

[lethal lagoon]

Mixed horde yeah charged on illy for sure.

[spice veldt]

I still charge on groaners/poxwalkers

[crude cape]

is this just for fun?

[lethal lagoon]

I guess 3rd person mod makes it harder to get hit in the back?

But yeah I'd say it's just for fun, makes the game a lil harder in general I'd say

[spice veldt]

here's a comparison between normal and special heavies