psyker-class

[ember sentinel]

auto pistol goes from bottom tier to top 1

[long wharf]

it's because FartShart doesn't know how to design a game

[ember hornet]

It'll require a rework for several things

[civic jungle]

If you got +75% power for stacking 5 elite kills with a 5 second decay, then sure, you earned it

[ember hornet]

adjusting base weapon values

[ember sentinel]

bolter with pinning fire on a vet doesnt let anyone else play the game

[ember hornet]

or autopistol vet

with pinning fire and blaze

brauto vet too

[ember sentinel]

even zealot Hsword with headtaker trivalizes hordes

[ember hornet]

hsword is definitely overtuned

[torn hamlet]

yea the strongest things could use some nerfs. But what would make the game fun again for a lot of people would be at the same time buffing the weak stuff

[ember sentinel]

flamer does the same thing but it at least uses ammo

and has a range issue

[torn hamlet]

if all they do is nerf things the game becomes boring and dissapointing

[ember sentinel]

(with shooters)

[torn hamlet]

nerfs are fine if at the same time they buff weak stuff to make it fun again.

[ember sentinel]

yeah im just saying nerf the stuff thats too good slightly and make the bad stuff good

like chainsword/shovel is painful to use

[ember hornet]

yeah there's way too many weapons that are shit tier

[torn hamlet]

Like go ahead nerf the auto pistol and bolter. But make the auto guns and recon las guns stronger at the same time.

[ember sentinel]

ogryn has one good melee option and its mostly because of slaughterer

[ember hornet]

eh

not mostly

the base weapon is bonkers too

[ember sentinel]

oh is it

[civic jungle]

Headtaker on combat axes gives +25% power and I don't understand why it's +75% on a lot of other weapons

[ember sentinel]

my b

[ember hornet]

but slaughterer makes it SSS

[ember sentinel]

ive only used it with slaughterer lol

[civic jungle]

BB is good without, yeah

[ember sentinel]

i just assumed that was what made it good

[ember hornet]

nope, it's lights do slightly less damage than krourk mk6 heavies

with same cleave distribution

lol

[ember sentinel]

brutal momentum makes axes horde clear really well too

[ember hornet]

BM is horrible game design

[ember sentinel]

which is actually kinda cool but is a little op

[ember hornet]

1.0 cleave weapon with infinite cleave

uh okay

[torn hamlet]

I am just worried we are going to see a ton of nerfs across the board with this patch and it will make a ton of things less fun to use. While also not adding anything to the game. You can only take so many fun things away from your players before they just quit playing all together.

[civic jungle]

Things like combat axe VIII without BM just seems pointless tho with it doing nothing to hordes

[ember sentinel]

yeah idk how they will handle it

it really stems from blessings for the top tier stuff

[ember hornet]

yeah but you don't give it infinite cleave

you give it like 5 max

with blessings

[keen belfry]

just made this figure it will hold me over for a little bit

[torn hamlet]

Im keeping my fingers crossed. This game has sooo much potential and yet all the issues are making it fall very short of amazing. But its so close. So close to being such an amazing game.

[ember sentinel]

yeah i enjoy it a lot despite its flaws

gameplay is just very good

[torn hamlet]

Yea exactly

[ember sentinel]

i just hope the really bad stuff gets buffed

like dueling swords are cool just pointless rn

[torn hamlet]

yea they should start there

[ember sentinel]

same with shovel and chainsword

[torn hamlet]

buff the bad stuff first

[ember sentinel]

etc

[ember hornet]

I dream of vet F being nerfed but that's never gonna happen

[torn hamlet]

then maybe look at seeing if certain things still way outperform others and tone them back a litt

[ember sentinel]

yeah vet F could probably use a little tweaking

mostly just dont let me stay in it eternally

thats really what breaks it for me

[ember hornet]

also make it not give you 1400 effective toughness

[civic jungle]

-75% DR feat removed, now made inherent on F /s

[clever root]

Vet players can barely handle psword being nerfed, imagine how they'd take a nerf to F

[torn hamlet]

ultimately the goal is to give players more viable and fun builds options and ways to play the game. That should be their goal but I am not sure if it is.

[ember sentinel]

i dont mind that part if we remove the refrest

[ember hornet]

with stacking 25% regen on special/elite kill plus the 25% instant regen

[ember sentinel]

just make volley fire like 5ish seconds or something

[ember hornet]

if the refresh is removed sure

[ember sentinel]

and then the toughness isnt a huge deal

let me proc it and pick off a few elites and be back to normal

get some ammo in return

[civic jungle]

If you couldn't refresh it, the -75% probably should be inherent tbh, not that exciting for just 5 seconds 😝

[ember sentinel]

ok maybe more than 5 seconds

or make it last for like 2 seconds after volley fire goes down per elite you killed

idk

[ember hornet]

I just want them to make it so you can't do this https://v.redd.it/0eu1heoms9va1

[ember sentinel]

something to make it not useless but not broken

2s probably low

[clever root]

I mean it gives you wallhacks, might as well give you aimbot too

[civic jungle]

Get triple ammo recovery for kills during volley fire at level 30 😝

[ember sentinel]

looks good to me

[ember sentinel]

lol

neverending ammo

although that is kind of vets thing

[ember hornet]

uh huh

[ember sentinel]

(this was a joke)

[ember hornet]

I realize

[ember sentinel]

ok sometimes its hard to tell online

[ember hornet]

I posted that in vet chat

and they said it's fine cause zealots have sliding

???

[ember sentinel]

i love vet but i agree its a little strong

[ornate hamlet]

Average vet chat response

[spice veldt]

vets famously aren't able to slide

[ember sentinel]

true i actually dont ever slide as vet

because i press F

[ember hornet]

lol

[ember sentinel]

but yeah F needs a little tweaking mainly just how long it lasts

other than that hes fine

[civic jungle]

Arguably the refresh isn't even a problem other than it refreshing on regular shooters

[ember sentinel]

well his melee is still good but thats mostly due to brutal momentum

[ember sentinel]

fair

that makes it really easy to keep forever

[civic jungle]

Exactly

[ember sentinel]

either make it so you cant stay in it forever or just nerf how good he is in it

if hes supposed to be able to keep it up

[ember hornet]

for some reason people have no idea sliding is very strong on every class

[ember sentinel]

i slide on psyker even

if im approaching shooters with purge or something

[civic jungle]

Say you took the -75% toughness damage and put it on counter fire, but stopped it from refreshing on shooter kills

[ember sentinel]

or my melee weapon cause i run void a lot

although usually i just void them lol

[spice veldt]

non-focused channeling mfs never felt the awesomeness of sprint sliding into shooters

[civic jungle]

And found something helpful for your team to compete with camo expert 🤪

[ember sentinel]

i dont think ive ever used camo expert

cause i run bi optic

mostly for the team

or im thinking of the wrong column

[spice veldt]

those are on different columns

[ember sentinel]

oh nvm

[spice veldt]

camo is competing with unwavering on the lvl25 I think?

[ember sentinel]

im awful at remembering where stuff is

[spice veldt]

bio should be the lvl15

[ember hornet]

I miss when vets ran bio

[clever root]

I used camo expert in the beta and it was hilarious because literally every enemy straight up ignored you

[spice veldt]

nah unwavering is lvl20

[ember hornet]

that was fun

bio vet when I use kant shotgun

hilarious

[ember sentinel]

oh yeah kant shotgun

that should probably be fixed too lol

[ember hornet]

the wall pen yeah

[ember sentinel]

wall pen + infinite cleave

[ember hornet]

infinite cleave is intended

[ember sentinel]

oh it is

i thought it wasnt

[ember hornet]

yep it is

[ember sentinel]

huh

nvm then

just wall pen

[ember hornet]

it's supposed to go through bulwarks too

[ember sentinel]

damn

[ember hornet]

it's so good with hammer cause you have good tools for all situations

[torn hamlet]

so im messing around with inner tranquility and it feels really nice honestly. Not having to quell as often. But it definitely makes some enemies take two BB instead of one to kill. Do you guys run inner tranguility much and if so on what builds?

[ember hornet]

which one is that

[torn hamlet]

warp resistance per warp stack

can get up to like 36% warp resistance and you can feel it

[ember hornet]

eh, it's pointless after quell buff unless you run like, trauma

[torn hamlet]

can cast way more before having to quell

[ember sentinel]

i havent used tranquility unfort

[torn hamlet]

so even on like a BB build with surge the damage is better

[ember hornet]

you don't really need any warp resistance anymore imo

quell is so damn fast

[torn hamlet]

hmm i guess it just feels nice

[ember sentinel]

i can kinda see it if your running a pure BB build

but yeah

its not needed

sadly

its one of the weaker feats

[torn hamlet]

was curious if dps would actually go up at all from not having to quell oftne

[ember hornet]

warp unleashed way better

[ember sentinel]

due to it competing with WU nah

[torn hamlet]

yea that is fair

[ember hornet]

and just sit at 80% peril the whole game

[spice veldt]

there's also the peril for quietude

[torn hamlet]

WU is so strong

[ember sentinel]

WU is just the best one

[spice veldt]

having more toughness = more opportunities to deal damage from not being in cover so much

[ember sentinel]

that too

[lethal swan]

I have to be honest... from the other class channels (I play all classes) this one is the most focused on actual game play discussion

[ember hornet]

zealot chat is pretty technical gameplay discussion too

ogryn and vet not so much

[ember sentinel]

yeah its usually gameplay here

[lethal swan]

Agreed

[ember sentinel]

vets 50/50

[torn hamlet]

hmm yea sounds about right

[clever root]

Zealot players big brain

[ember sentinel]

sometimes they are arguing if vet is op or not

[clever root]

[torn hamlet]

vet and ogryn more brainless classes for more brainless players XD

[ember sentinel]

sometimes its game stuff

[lethal swan]

I guess I know which of my toons to focus on

[torn hamlet]

honestly I have played everyone but the ogryn a lot and the psyker is by far the most fun I have had in this game

[lethal swan]

😜

[torn hamlet]

also the most playstyle and build variety

[ember sentinel]

i do enjoy ogryn they just have so few options

[spice veldt]

only thing psyker needs is a warp burst dps ranged

[lethal swan]

Each class has its ups and downs. In 30 with each

[torn hamlet]

a very flexible class that honestly just perfectly fits my playstyle and love being able to just deal with whatever threat you need to at any time

[ember hornet]

after the deimos/illisi drop and hammer nerf there were a lot of zealots that played psyker like zealot

myself included

[ember sentinel]

it works better than youd think

[ember hornet]

yeah it's kinda busted with illisi tbh

[lethal swan]

Ehh... the point of the class is the staff warp abilities, no?

[spice veldt]

on NA West, I only met only 1 or so other psykers who used the illisi more than their staffs

[ember hornet]

it is, but they also gave psyker the best melee weapon in the game

[lethal swan]

It may WORK, but what fun is a Las laspistol as a psycher?

[ember sentinel]

i think hsword/antax might be better or on par

with illsi

[ember hornet]

nah

[ember sentinel]

but its def tied for top 1

[torn hamlet]

Yea I would not say its the best

[lethal swan]

I agree that we get great melee

[torn hamlet]

but its one of the best for sure

[spice veldt]

i'd say it's the best

because of the infinite dodges and massive damage output

[lethal swan]

(Agreed, not THE best)

[ember sentinel]

yeah dodges helps a lot bh

[torn hamlet]

Honestly the deimos and illisi is a big reason I love the class

[spice veldt]

the infinite dodges means that you have all the space to activate your special and spam heavies

[lethal swan]

But definitely top three

[torn hamlet]

they are both so fun to use and I love melee combat

[ember sentinel]

im always dodging around a horde lol

[ember hornet]

I think it edges out the others due to infinite dodges, slaughterer + unstable, and psyker feats/passives

[spice veldt]

with the base cleave, you can cleave through two elites (ragers/maulers)

[torn hamlet]

if they nerfed either of these into the ground it might just be the last fun thing in the game and I would stop playing

[ember hornet]

illisi can one shot almost every elite/special, and the lights are also bonkers

[lethal swan]

The data are definitely ...strong

[ember sentinel]

cleaving through like 4 shotgunners in one swing top 1 feelings in the game

[lethal swan]

(Won't say op, for obvi reasons)

[spice veldt]

I'd say the illisi is definitely overtuned

[ember sentinel]

id nerf slaughterer first

and then see where its at

[spice veldt]

10/10 balance team giving killing power to a mobility weapon

[ember sentinel]

but yeah its overtuned

as it is rn

[torn hamlet]

I just want the combat knife to get buffed

[ember sentinel]

i do like the infinite dodges tho that makes it feel very unique

[torn hamlet]

just let us infinite stack bleed and it would be so fun

[ember sentinel]

just nerf slaughterer/power

of the sword

[spice veldt]

slaughterer is part of the reason why it's strong

though the base characteristics of the illisi should be toned down

[ember sentinel]

prob cleave limit

[clever root]

Instructions unclear, nerfed power sword again

[spice veldt]

I don't mind the cleave

just lower the minimum cleave damage

[ember sentinel]

id agree nerfing slaughterer/small nerf the sword itself would be good

[civic jungle]

It would massively troll people if slaughterer were nerfed down to 5% per stack instead of 15, but idk why it is 15% while the harder to trigger blessings are 5% each

[spice veldt]

because the force swords have a pretty decent minimum cleave damage for some reason

[ember hornet]

I got this on my first or second upgrade and was like, holy shit this is busted

[ember sentinel]

yeah slaughterer is just insane

[civic jungle]

Like 15% power per elite kill max 5 stacks would make sense and hardly ever would get there

[ember hornet]

all the blessing design is just bad for the most part

shouldn't be make weapon 2x itself

base weapons should be good enough

and the blessings should be transformative in interesting ways

[ember sentinel]

i wish more blessings were like blazing spirit

[civic jungle]

Blazing spirit is so fun on trauma staff

[ember sentinel]

rather than get this blessing to do 2x damage and its useless without it

[ember hornet]

yep

[ornate hamlet]

Give me -25% toughness for +25% damage blessing

[ember hornet]

do you know weapon overclocks are actually coded into the game

[ornate hamlet]

Hmm

[ember hornet]

probably an artifact from prior design

[civic jungle]

I enjoy blessings like momentum and confident strike on ogryn

[ember hornet]

confident strike BB is stupid lol

[civic jungle]

I mean, somehow I don't think CS is the stupid part of that equation

[ember hornet]

well, the insane attack speed and kill speed

plus confident strike

[civic jungle]

300+ damage slaughterer BB 🙃

[ember hornet]

meanwhile other ogryns weapons feel like mud

and heavies kinda suck in general

[spice veldt]

you get a 3 target damage cap, you get a 3 target damage cap

[ember hornet]

and then there's shit like the krourk mk4

which is so so so fucked

[civic jungle]

It is kinda funny how CS is really quite good at 7% per hit and then born in blood (?) Gives a mere 3% toughness at level 4 for close range kill 🤔

[ember hornet]

and weakspot priority is fucked on all the ogryn weapons

[ember sentinel]

which one is that

idk ogryn weapons super well

[spice veldt]

born in blood is a ranged blessing right?

[civic jungle]

Yeah

[civic jungle]

The stabby knife I think?

[spice veldt]

I'd be ok with ranged blessings having low toughness generation

[ember hornet]

stabby knife

[lethal swan]

The knife is excellent imo

[ember sentinel]

oh the turbo garbage one

[spice veldt]

since the main point is just getting nonzero toughness for the ranged dmg reduc to kick in

[lethal swan]

I go for flexibility for my Ogryn weapons

Great for hordes, ok for elites/monstrocities

Both melee and ranged

Soak the damage and let the rest of the team finish stuff off

(If I can't do it on my own)

[ember hornet]

I want to use ogryn heavy build

and all the feats for it are ass

and all the weapons for it are mediocre at best

and slow

[lethal swan]

Anything that isn't +toughness seem fairly lame to me

[rose dagger]

I've got a slaughterer 4/confident strike 4 BB

It's pretty great

[keen belfry]

this mid?

[ember sentinel]

the roll is good but the perks and shred isnt great

although you ideally want low warp res but its w/e

[spice veldt]

not on the illisi if you're using it a lot

high warp res is ideal if you want to actually use the illisi instead of keeping it in your back pocket as a toughness generator

[ember hornet]

I disagree

[rose dagger]

Unless youre running unstable power and a high peril build in general

[spice veldt]

shame that the illisi has no slaughterer

[rose dagger]

Especially if gun psyker

[ember hornet]

I'd rather have an easier time staying at high peril

[keen belfry]

so i just came back whats the different on the Illisi cause i just crafted that thing

[spice veldt]

I'd rather have low peril generation to spam the illisi into melee elites

[ember sentinel]

true

[ember hornet]

I just sit at 80% + peril

one shot elites, spam lights

[spice veldt]

it's a tradeoff between more base damage on average and having the stagger from specials to spam into elites

[ember hornet]

the normals are so good I'm not bothered

[spice veldt]

normals have very good damage, but force swords have notoriously shitty stagger on normals

[ember hornet]

I mean I run quicken so if I need big stagger I just F

[spice veldt]

true

if your build already works around the need for stagger

even without quicken, I do tend to have my ult around when I need it for stagger

[ember hornet]

quicken + communion + warp stacks is just so funny

[ember sentinel]

yeah same

[spice veldt]

but I prefer to save my ult to protect myself from trappers/hounds

[ember hornet]

I love it

[keen belfry]

I run Cerbral and just mag dump with this thing, might not be meta but it works and is fun

[rose dagger]

Used to run quicken, but I don't like the trading warp charge for ult cool down part

And kinetic barrage actually useful

[spice veldt]

if you've already got a gun, then you won't need the high warp res on illisi

[keen belfry]

i mean it has it so.. nothing i can do

[ember hornet]

I like just spamming force pushes

it's fun

[ember sentinel]

yeah i just like KB a lot

[ember hornet]

it's the "jedi" build with illisi lol

[ember sentinel]

fast brain burst feels very good

[ember hornet]

it can be

I find that with max warp charges and warp unleashed I dont really need faster BB

but there are some instances like ogryn packs where it's nice

[spice veldt]

yeah

faster BB is just a qol for me to make bulwarks fuck off

[ember sentinel]

yeah when a bunch of elites or ogryns show up and i need them dead quickly

[keen belfry]

i have about 35% Block eff, on my curious

[spice veldt]

i'd probably run quicken if I want to win games more

[ember hornet]

quicken is for like, "fake" psyker build that melees primarily

otherwise I run void/trauma

with KB

[spice veldt]

and the stagger buying a lot of space when you need it

only thing is having to pick communion over aura

[ember hornet]

which one is aura

[spice veldt]

the CDR on elite kill

right below communion

[ember hornet]

ah yeah

[spice veldt]

actually on second thought, I suppose barrage + aura isn't too far off from communion + quicken

not as many reliable ults on fast CD

but still fairly good

hmm

I'm too married to my aura I suppose

[ember hornet]

I'd rather just buff my illisi and spam force push

and worry about warp charges less

but for like, true psyker build I'd agree

[spice veldt]

having to worry about warp charges based on the amount of enemies there are seems like it would take actual brainpower

with aura + barrage, I only need to worry about holding W into the next elite/special

[ember hornet]

I mean usually it's 2 brainbursts at most to get max stacks of warp for the next F

not very hard to do

[spice veldt]

having to press a button and swap to brain burst and having to hold LMB

[ember hornet]

lol

[spice veldt]

oh the amount of brainpower it would consume

[ornate hamlet]

Which one?

[ember hornet]

I wish the unique void builds weren't just worse than transfer peril + flurry

[ember hornet]

T4 slaughterer

[rose dagger]

Get that slaughterer 4

Yea

[ember sentinel]

either the obscurus and take slaughterer 4 or the curio

[ornate hamlet]

Lemme get a coin flipper

[ember hornet]

the curio has 2 dead perks

no

[spice veldt]

the curio is meh and the other weapon is a duelling sword

[ornate hamlet]

Heads

That means Sword

[ember hornet]

[spice veldt]

better be the force sword

[ember hornet]

T4 slaughterer

is just

bonkers

[ornate hamlet]

Done

[spice veldt]

free +15% power from t3

woohoo

[ornate hamlet]

Aaand the game crashed.

[spice veldt]

lemayo

[ember sentinel]

oh i didnt realize mutant resist was that bad

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe cuz I had 2 sites running

[ember sentinel]

i feel like there are so many mid perks on curios

[spice veldt]

most of the damage you're going to take from mutants isn't really going to be from the mutants themselves

[ember hornet]

it is kinda funny though, you kind of need t4 slaughterer + unstable to hit some illisi one shot BPs

[spice veldt]

but from whatever enemies happen to be standing near you when you're getting dunked on

[ember hornet]

yeah being damaged by mutants is not actually by the mutants

it's the other mobs

[spice veldt]

I think they do 20 dmg with each slam and 3x tough damage, but it's rare to take that much hp damage unless I get peeled from other mobs

groaners getting dunked on by t4 slaughterer and unstable power

[ember hornet]

I wish I had elite on my illisi instead of groaners/poxwalkers

then I could one shot reapers

for no good reason other than it's funny

[spice veldt]

gawd damn

[ember hornet]

I do 3518 to reapers with unyielding perk

[spice veldt]

well I suppose hitting a one-shot on reapers could be the difference between losing or maintaining your slaughterer stacks

[ember hornet]

yeah it requires max stacks of everything

but it can do it

I just want it for the clip lol

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmm...

[spice veldt]

it's already quite fun to two-shot reapers

[ornate hamlet]

Thinking of this, for this comparison.

[spice veldt]

fuckers gave me so much trouble when only the obscurus existed

[ornate hamlet]

Illisi Sword vs Purgatus Staff

[spice veldt]

god bless fatshark for giving the illisi special bonus unyielding damage

[ember hornet]

imagine being derpy and still using the obscurus

[ornate hamlet]

For this meme.

[lunar hollow]

obscurus is based bro

[ornate hamlet]

That's exactly what I'm going to use.

[lunar hollow]

you can 1 shot a crusher with a special if you do it right

[spice veldt]

I love the obscurus

[dawn crypt]

I was just in a sniper gauntlet game where these 2 yolo zealots went down by exposing themselves to snipers. Then said "psyker is a bitch class thats scared for pussies" after I called them out.

[spice veldt]

but god damn does it suck compared to the other swords

[ember hornet]

it's just sad they made 2 weapons that are SO much better

I used obscurus prior to that too

[spice veldt]

yeah, the obscurus is a good weapon by itself

has always been good pre-patch

[ember hornet]

yep

[ornate hamlet]

Just something of a repeated thought.

[lunar hollow]

i had just got a good obscurus when they released illisi and deimos

[ornate hamlet]

Warp-charged light attacks having cleave?

[spice veldt]

i ran a bloodthirsty + slaught obscurus back then

[lunar hollow]

bloodthirsty nerf was sadge

[ember hornet]

bloodthirsty be like ☠️

[spice veldt]

oh like having the illisi special on lights and the sticky on heavies?

might be iffy since the special punishes you by locking you

and heavies having a longer stick time

I often just light-specialed with the obscurus special

[ornate hamlet]

Basically.

[spice veldt]

heavy sticky specials are too punishing

[ornate hamlet]

Or, if we do a reverse

[spice veldt]

ye

only issue is the 1st attack being the overhead

so either way, there's some massive downside to it unfortunately

unless you drag your mouse like a mf

[ornate hamlet]

Or...

It gets updated.

The moveset, I mean

Illisi Heavy Attack, followed by Deimos Heavy Attack. But that kind of ruins its identity.

[spice veldt]

only issue I really have with it is the 2nd light

and the weird timing on the 2nd heavy being different from the illisi's 2nd heavy

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah

[spice veldt]

3rd light is good

but the 2nd light completely disincentivizes me from ever using the light combo

[ember hornet]

I love this game, not a single psyker weapon in my melk

for the nth time in the past week

[spice veldt]

is great

[ember hornet]

I definitely want lasguns, knives, and claws

[mental junco]

first time saw something like this but...

[ember hornet]

on fucking psyker

[ornate hamlet]

I still pray that we get an overhaul for the Obscurus's moveset

[ember hornet]

tox flamers to something else and good to go

ordos are bis imo

since brunts

[lunar hollow]

join the ordos mafia

[ornate hamlet]

I still like to use a Combat Axe as Psyker.

Even if it's less effective.

Reason: ||Heaviest weapon at the moment 🥲 ||

[neat sand]

just ask the ogryn to carry you into combat 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

No, no. It's a different kind.

I mean, you familiar with the Hunt: Showdown game?

[neat sand]

it rings a bell

[ornate hamlet]

Anyway, I liked these weapons, even though I never played them.

And this

[neat sand]

first one looks alot like an m1 but the second one looks like some kind of elephant gun i bet that would kick back like a mule rofl

[ornate hamlet]

The first one is as it is; a Lebel 1886, a French Bolt-Action Rifle.

The second one is the starting shotgun - a single-barrel hunting one.

[neat sand]

https://danielsantiques.com/shop/english-6-bore-elephant-gun-made-by-joseph-lang-cockspur-st-london-1857/

[cold geode]

the romero is just a regular shotty in hunt showdown

[ornate hamlet]

Albeit, the Talon types are modified as melee weapons, basically

[neat sand]

very similar

[ornate hamlet]

Here's the Nitro Express Rifle you're thinking of

[cold geode]

The crown and king auto-5 is the 'elephant gun'

yea, and the nitro as well, tho more so on the nitro side

[ornate hamlet]

Wait, also the Caldwell

[cold geode]

i did like the auto-romero they introduced last october though

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, back to original topic.

[neat sand]

now them guns might make me play a gun psyker :p

[ornate hamlet]

I liked the Combat Axe specifically so that I can mimic the above.

Vraks Headhunter + Combat Axe

For either Vet or Zea, easy to replace the Headhunter with either a Sluggun (Zea) or a Lucius (Vet)

[cold geode]

omg, so i got a near pefect boltgun on my zealot from melk, then on my psyker i got unable power 4 on a near perfect deimos, then on my vet i got pinning fire 4 for the boltgun.

suddenly after weeks and weeks of crap, everything lined up today

[ornate hamlet]

Good for you.

So, here's just me hoping to the Devs

When can we get an "All-Class" Hybrid Weapon?

[ornate hamlet]

(Especially one based on this)

[pearl lion]

havent tried trauma since beta - think its worthwhile?

[ember hornet]

nah

not that one imo

[ember hornet]

replying cause I realized it's been 12 minutes

[pearl lion]

Too late haha

I picked it up knowing it might not be great, but the blessing could be useful

[spice veldt]

people say that blazing + crit does work

[cyan notch]

when they let us unlock blessings it could be good

[civic jungle]

IMO that one is worth buying for the level 4 crit blessing or the soulblaze blessing

fire trauma is very fun, and now you have either of the blessings to apply to a stave that rolls the other one

🙂

[spice veldt]

though the stats on that staff are quite good

[waxen star]

Does unstable power on the force sword actually stacks power and the wording of the blessing is just wrong?

I've seen mixed things about it but some people are saying that it actually stacks 5times

[spice veldt]

it stacks 4 times, with a stack gained at 20/40/60/80% peril

it's just fatshark description-itis

t3 unstable power will give 4% power per stack

you can see the blessing icon in the lower-left corner and the numbers by it indicating the stacks

[waxen star]

Ok so the wording is just wrong

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/w70p4e

[waxen star]

I've been thinking about making some force swords without deflector because haven't feel the need of it

[spice veldt]

I like unstable power as the second offensive blessing

bloodthirsty/uncanny strike being the other options

[fierce sinew]

never ever trust anything in a fatshark game to behave as described ingame without either testing yourself or checking with others who have

[waxen star]

Yeah but I think i just reblessed this morning unstable power for slaughterer when now I would have reblessed the other blessing

The damn blessing says up to 4% power scaling with peril

[spice veldt]

😔 description-itis takes another victim away

[waxen star]

So it sounded like shit

[fierce sinew]

rip

unstable + slaughterer is the combo you want

[spice veldt]

t4 slaughterer and t4 unstable with warp unleashed and warp charges can hit a certain breakpoint on groaners

that's the one breakpoint I know

since it allows your minimum cleave damage to exceed 200+ bodyshot damage

[waxen star]

Yeah I made 30+ force swords past 4weeks

[spice veldt]

and kill about 28 full HP groaners in a single swing

[waxen star]

Got 2 tier 4 blessings

Both times precognition ty fatshark

[ornate hamlet]

Can someone explain gun psyker to me like I'm 5

Like... pinning fire keeps the ascendant blaze going for longer or what?

[spice veldt]

not going longer but doing more damage

any damage/power/rending buffs you have also increases the damage of any DoTs (bleed, burn, soulblaze) that are currently active

[fierce sinew]

power buff are just busted

that's the tldr

[spice veldt]

yup

and power just making the shredder itself quite strong

and hipfire weapons being fairly easy to use

[fierce sinew]

power makes everything strong, if your weapon has the ability to stack 2 high uptime power blessings it's a good weapon

[spice veldt]

so ease of use + high damage output + short reload + buffs affecting DoTs

[waxen star]

Is transfer peril good on the trauma staff are you actually hitting any weakspots?

[spice veldt]

nope

not with the RMB

the RMB is an explosion which can't target a specific body part

[ornate hamlet]

Okay so you're using pinning fire to buff your soulblaze damage basically?

[fierce sinew]

it's still troll as fuck that transfer peril is in the trauma blessing pool

every time I see it I smile

at an anonymous swede's little joke at our collective expense

[ember hornet]

I laugh when I see roaring advance

2% move speed stacking 5x yeehaw

[waxen star]

Yeah its really troll trauma should do a implosion instead of explosion

[fierce sinew]

like imagine making all of the staves their own pools just to make 2 of them identical and one of them actively troll

[ember hornet]

the fact that staves all have separate pools

is so sad

[spice veldt]

implosion would make trauma absolutely busted

[waxen star]

So for trauma the best blessings are the same as surge and purg

[ember hornet]

they need a system where there are common weapon blessings and unique weapon blessings

[waxen star]

Warp flurry and warp nexus now called harnessing the warp

[spice veldt]

having no variants of existing staffs sucks balls

[fierce sinew]

I proposed when the shrine update happened that if you unlock a blessing it should unlock all blessings with the same name in the same tier in all pools

[waxen star]

The implosion kind of black hole think would awesome

[fierce sinew]

and nobody has given me a reason why they couldn't or shouldn't do it

[waxen star]

A freezing staff would be cool too

[ember hornet]

even just common blessings for staff

it's not like any of them really have different blessings

except for 1 or 2 of them

[waxen star]

So for trauma staff there's nothing else good besides warp nexus and flurry right

Since rending shockwave is also broken

[spice veldt]

rending shockwave works fine

they fixed rending/brittleness lowering damage a while back

[ember hornet]

rending and focus are also fine right

[spice veldt]

I like focused channeling because it prevents ranged attacks from staggering you out of a sprint

aka just being able to sprint-slide when shooters are around

[ember hornet]

over nexus

[waxen star]

Is rending really working?

[spice veldt]

crits suck balls on trauma

[ember hornet]

cause nexus doesn't really do anything on trauma

[spice veldt]

it's like a 1.15x damage increase

[waxen star]

My friend psyker said it was bugged last week

[spice veldt]

it's not bugged

it's just that rending/brittleness doesn't affect the trauma staff except against infested enemies

because the trauma staff already deals 100% damage to every armour type except infested

[ember hornet]

not even carapace?

[spice veldt]

nope

100% damage

[ember hornet]

wow

that's rip

[waxen star]

So its worthless right?

[spice veldt]

but it does help your teammates who are likely to not deal 100% damage to a particular armour type

aka, flamethrower weapons

[ember hornet]

I'd maybe run that in a pre-made then for crusher packs

[spice veldt]

maybe the zealot happens to not have their 2 ult charges up

[ember hornet]

but in pubs

nah

[spice veldt]

maybe you've got a purg psyker

[ember hornet]

pls make zealot F not have ranged armor downgrade

and buff the melee instead

[spice veldt]

no zealot is now the anti-armor ranged class

[ember hornet]

you could do the same with melee

and it would make sense

[gloomy gulch]

Got slaughter 4 for my force swords today

[ember hornet]

fucking autopistol killing crushers

??????

[spice veldt]

intimidate crushers to weaken their armor

except against melee

[ember hornet]

it's such a stupid design decision

[spice veldt]

bullets are scary

[ember hornet]

AND they confirmed it in patch notes

[waxen star]

So rending shockwave only affects infested even if you use it on carapace right

[ember hornet]

it's an enemy debuff

so it helps teammates

[spice veldt]

despite the name, rending shockwave deals brittleness, not rending

[waxen star]

I know its a debuff

So your team will deal extra damage right?

[spice veldt]

mhm

[ember hornet]

depending on weapons yeah

[spice veldt]

if their weapons and attacks deal less than 100% damage to an armour type, then they will do more damage

[ember hornet]

you could also use it for yourself for melee

[waxen star]

Ok im going to do some testing tomorrow I've got that blessing tier 4 from melk last week

On a shock troop gauntlet with the mod to see their health to see if the changes are noticeable

[spice veldt]

I think BB has lower damage against carapace? I'm not sure if that's lowered damage based on the enemy or an armour type debuff

rending is pretty much only going to affect carapace

if you don't like crushers, run it
if not, then feel free to ignore it

I personally prefer it since I don't find the other blessings particularly remarkable and I have the habit of quelling too much to make use of warp flurry

[waxen star]

I hate trauma staff honestly

But I have over 400missions on psyker and I need to find some variety is more about that

[mental rock]

I hated the trauma staff when I first tried it

[waxen star]

Already got my perfect surge with 545rating

[mental rock]

but I love it now

[spice veldt]

trauma does get a bad rep from absolutely sucking balls at lower ratings

[waxen star]

And my pretty great purg and void at 535rating

[spice veldt]

2.5 to 1 second scaling on the charge rate

[mental rock]

onoce you get used to the jank aiming, it feels pretty good to use

[waxen star]

I know it won't outclass the purg void or surge but will be something new

[spice veldt]

I would say it definitely outclasses the void and surge

doesn't have a shitty ass cleave limit like the void or surge

you're not dealing with density in a meaningful way with either the void or surge

[waxen star]

I really like the void with transfer peril and warp flurry

Of course when elites show up I usually swap to bb

[ember hornet]

void feels so damn good

just popping all the heads

[spice veldt]

I despise the void

can't even sprint slide with the void while casting

[waxen star]

I like that you can reach the 50% charge speed and maintain it because of transfer peril

When facing a horde

Do you guys have knowledge about zealot? The zealot page is dead

Made a zealot last week

And trying to know if the blessing fan the flames just really affects primary fire?

[ember hornet]

wdym zealot page

just ask in zealot chat

don't use fan the flames

blaze away + overpressure

[waxen star]

I did before the page was dead for 30min

I know I've got blaze away but can't find overpressure yet

So was wondering if there was any alternative to one of those blessinga

[long wharf]

it makes no sense for the 4 staves to not be variations of each other

[fierce sinew]

there's a rationale for separate blessing pools if the blessings were actually more different, the staves are functionally more different than lots of things we accept as being in different pools

purg and void are more different than lasguns and autoguns for example, and (most) people are fine with those blessings being separate

[primal plume]

Cant deal with shooters
Cant deal with snipers
Cant deal with gunners
Cant deal with shotgunners
"Purgatus is a good staff if a horde of poxwalkers walk at you in a very narrow chokepoint"

[fierce sinew]

they just dropped the ball on the blessings themselves

[primal plume]

also the amount of puffs from the left fire takes so much peril to kill one walker

[fierce sinew]

if every staff had 3 or 4 rending shockwave style blessings that interacted with the unique right click it would be fine

[rare mesa]

is dmg important stat for purgatus

[primal plume]

The barter button is an important stat for purgatus

[fierce sinew]

the puff is a push

[rare mesa]

y/n

[fierce sinew]

do you push poxwalkers to death and complain that your sword does no damage

[primal plume]

i mean all staves have a push

that doesnt take peril to do

[fierce sinew]

yeah one of them just has quintuple the range, stacks a dot, and more stagger than a normal push

[spice veldt]

if you use the purg to kill a single poxwalker, then that explains why you think it's bad

because you'll spend the same time killing 20 poxwalkers as you will killing a single poxwalker

and I still don't get why you still focus on killing trash with purg

it's certainly good at that, but being able to kill tougher enemies inside trash is another advantage

[primal plume]

Because my time is spent better using brainbust than slowly charging my purge to tickle it

by the time its nearly ready my team is about to kill it anyway

also im really sick and tired of quick scoping snipers

[fierce sinew]

it only seems quick because you're so slow

[spice veldt]

I wont dispute that purg can be a bit meh for pushing maps if it's too open, but being able to kill dense hordes of enemies is an advantage

and psyker psykinetics have brain burst to offset any lack of range on their secondary

[primal plume]

The staff literally has a slow windup time

And when you cast it youre even slower

i dont like how sluggish the staff feels

[fierce sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[spice veldt]

cast is slow, but that's rich coming from the 1.66s 80% charge rate void that you can't even sprint-slide with

[primal plume]

just reminding you this exists

[spice veldt]

that's a shame that warp flurry doesn't exist on purg

[primal plume]

You cant take advantage of it the same way

Unless you intentionally do short bursts

which is janky and just feels weird

[spice veldt]

I know warp flurry exists, but my point is does it offset the limited cleave on the void

[primal plume]

"Limited Cleave"

[spice veldt]

6 cleave is pretty limited

[primal plume]

not an issue if you can fire it really fast

and from a distance

[fierce sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-dumb-gif-21557701

[spice veldt]

hordes and melee elites will close on you relatively quickly, and being able to cleave through them is strong

[fierce sinew]

"why am I getting quickscoped as I bb a single poxwalker! stupid slow staff!"

[spice veldt]

having your entire cleave eaten by a single scab rager sucks no matter what way you put it

[primal plume]

I also regularly out perform copatus users with void

[spice veldt]

outperforming pub players isn't a good argument

[primal plume]

turns out not having something required to be right in your face dies alot faster

[spice veldt]

and scoreboards are only one part of the picture

[primal plume]

damn so only shitty players use purgatus?

[spice veldt]

what a conclusion to draw

I outperform void, surge, and purg with trauma

I also outperform other trauma users with trauma

have you considered that you're just a good player?

and I agree that purg has an initial time and setup for it to start racking up damage

[cyan notch]

min charge purg is pretty good

[spice veldt]

but it's still going to cleave through everything that's not a bulwark or wall

[primal plume]

So since you could also be technically a pug does that mean any argument for purge should also be ignored?

[spice veldt]

I'm not the one arguing using scoreboard statistics

[primal plume]

anyway im playing the game

not going to keep arguing with seethatus players

[spice veldt]

I'm a trauma main

[cyan notch]

anyway im playing the game

[spice veldt]

I've never used purg again since my first 100 hours of psyker

except for the rare times to test it

[primal plume]

What using purgatus does to someone

[spice veldt]

hey, I'm not saying the purg is the best

I'm just saying it's better than void

and I think that trauma is better than all 3

[waxen star]

Everybody with their own tastes lets just respect that. I dislike trauma but trying to get into to it

[spice veldt]

tastes are different from the actual performance of a weapon

[waxen star]

Sure thats true

But are you saying trauma outperforms all the other staffs?

[spice veldt]

not in all situations

but as a generalist weapon, I would pick trauma

[waxen star]

Because that I don't believe with all due respect

[spice veldt]

having the stagger to interrupt shooters most human-sized enemies when sufficiently charged

infinite cleave to deal with densities, stagger that knocks melee elites for a while

it's a staff that buys a lot of time

it doesn't make too many sacrifices and is still a good staff for pushing

of course, there are some maps where trauma is a bit more meh and purg would be better

[waxen star]

I will test it out

Warp flurry and rending bless right?

[spice veldt]

that's the common choice

I prefer focused over flurry for pushing into shooters

But I also stack toughness and run kinetic shield

[waxen star]

Stack toughness?

[spice veldt]

two tough curios and toughness perks on all 3 curios

I have something along the lines of 147 toughness alongside the bonus toughness reduc from kinetic shield

[waxen star]

Ok

I will try it out

I have lots of fun with void with transfer peril and flurry

Fell of love with surge

[spice veldt]

I wouldn't run focused channeling if you're not going to sprint-slide into shooters a lot

[waxen star]

But I strongly believe purgatus is the dominant one clearing

[spice veldt]

yup

[waxen star]

Still testing out if wildfire is actually better than 6charges

The feats also seem to support more the purgatus with the warp charges you generate from soulblaze with ascending blaze

For the other staffs you either bb or you need to take the feat that gives you charges from you and yoir team kills

This also applies to the passive of 10% quelling on kill

[spice veldt]

or flayer

[rare mesa]

what blessings for trauma

[cyan notch]

flurry + whatever

[rare mesa]

i made me first trauma

seems good

[cyan notch]

pretty good

[primal plume]

How does brittleness work?

is it a debuff or something?

[rare mesa]

yeh

[primal plume]

how long does it last?

[rare mesa]

idk short like 5s

[spice veldt]

5 seconds, 1 stack is 5% brittleness

with stacks capping out at 8

still pretty niche and really only particularly useful against crushers or mauler heads

[waxen star]

Which perks do you run for the trauma?

[spice veldt]

+unarmoured (to more reliably hit the 450 hp breakpoint on dreg bruisers without worrying about warp charges/peril)

the other is whatever, but I picked +flak to make killing gunners/shotgunners slightly easier

since dreg gunners/shotgunners also have a base armor type of flak

I use my trauma primarily as an anti-ranged weapon and for killing groups of bruisers

[waxen star]

Cool ty for the reply I will make one in a couple of hours and test it to see if it growns on me

I already have 2 with 378 and 378 rating and flurry

[spice veldt]

i'd post gameplay but it turns out that I use my melee way more than I ever use my trauma

[waxen star]

So i will incorporate the tier 4rending and roll one of the perks

Which feats by the way?

[spice veldt]

feats don't particularly matter that much for trauma

inner tranq if you want to actually use the trauma more

but I run quietude + warp unleashed + aura + kinetic shield/deflect + flayer + barrage

trauma generates a lot of peril because of its inherently high peril gen and fast charge time (fastest among all the staffs)

so I'd take advantage of that for quietude

warp unleashed is for my BB and melee

I prefer aura + flayer over communion + battery because I personally value the CDR more than warp charges

[waxen star]

Do you combine that with ilisi or deimos?

[spice veldt]

I use illisi since I have a melee focus

my philosophy is to fight in-place as much as possible

and to avoid kiting if possible

if you're using trauma as your hordeclear, then feel free to go for deimos

I recommend against using trauma purely for poxwalkers/groaners because it throws them around and you're more like than not to have teammates who use melee as their hordeclear

if there's flamethrowers (purg/flamer), then feel free to do it, though I still recommend against that

if you don't play on NA West, then feel free to do whatever you want

[waxen star]

Yeah I usually use deimos with purg and illisi with surge

Since illisi came out I swapped the first talent from quelling for toughness to thoughness from kills

Since with illisi the special attack plus heavy attack with thoughness on kills refills all your thoughness in a strike

[spice veldt]

yup

though I don't like warp absorption when the fights are dying down and there aren't many enemies left

I also don't stick near my team often enough to get my toughness back from coherency

so I don't like warp absorption even with the illisi

[waxen star]

Makes sense I play with same 10 or so friends and we usually stick together

[spice veldt]

and also having to use more brainpower to think about positioning and avoiding toughness damage

warp absorption with illisi is prob pretty good

I just don't have the playstyle for it

I go for the weapons that take the least amount of thinking needed to use

[waxen star]

Things can south fast in damnation high int shock troop if you don't stick together

[spice veldt]

depends

I can usually kill specials since they come one-by-one

depends on what the spawns are, but they're always staggered

though I usually get overwhelmed when the 4th or 5th special comes along since I've either used my ult by then or I didn't kill the 3rd/4th special fast enough

I still think that it's viable to roam alone in hishock as long as you're on top of killing the specials (unless a horde/patrol is aggroed)

[steel flame]

wow we just absolutely facerolled through a hi shocktroop mission assasination. i had my fancy new brittleness 4 flurry 4 trauma staff, vet had a shredder, nother vet had plasma, and second psyker had purge staff. no deaths, only one player was downed . 30 minutes. i had to check a few times to make sure it wasnt just a hi intent with how fast we were movin through it

[spice veldt]

always nice to have good teams for fast games

I had two normal 19 minute chasm terminus games back-to-back, which felt particularly good at that moment

[cyan moth]

Personally I use the zappy zap staff purely because being able to stun shit for my team has so far been so much more useful than any other staff I've utilized/tried

Plus the range and damage against armored/carapace is nutty

[steel flame]

i like using every staff and a few guns for psyker, i just cycle through them depending on how i feel that day

they all feel so different from each other that it keeps psyker incredibly fresh

consequently

it also means hes still the only class at 30 after, lets see....500 hours

[cyan notch]

same

[dusk sierra]

im going to go insane
shop, recon lasguns
melk, recon lasguns
emperor's gift, recon lasguns

[near wyvern]

Surge is one of those things that amplify whatever your team is doing. If your team is doing well, it's gonna be great, but if your team sucks it's really hard to clutch with.

[near wyvern]

Almost third of 370+ weapons I see are recon lasguns

[ember sentinel]

yeah i think my melk has like 4 recon lasguns lol

maybe its time to try recon lasgun

the game really wants me to use infernus too

[signal bane]

hey kinsmen, is 311112 still fine/optimal for purgatus? also been trying out slaughter illisi and having fun with that but wondering if wildfire might work better if i'm using it

[fierce sinew]

that's still one of the meta setups and wildfire is meme trash that some people nevertheless enjoy

[hexed ether]

first time im getting sth useful from melk

perks are shit tho

[stone prawn]

damage gain are on more peril or lower?

[spice veldt]

more peril

10% + 15% * (peril%) damage

and even at 0% peril, you have at least a 10% damage buff

I don't actually know if that above equation is true since I'm assuming it scales linearly

but it does scale with more peril up to 25% max

[cyan moth]

Real.

Although the MK 5 force sword is my carry if my team isn't doing so good

[cyan moth]

Surge targets weak spots cause it's body damage overall I'm pretty sure

I'd toss out the critical

And get something like armored or carapace damage

Your melee should be enough for unarmored /poxers

[kind jay]

i never tested the numbers i just assumed it worked like blessings. like you start at 10 and go up 5 at 40/60/80

might be worth figuring out in grinder ig

[spice veldt]

warp unleashed in particular doesn't stack

it's only the blessings that do

kinetic shield also doesn't stack

[river sand]

hell no. surge is not able to hit weak spots with the charged attack

[spice veldt]

you'll particularly notice it if you swing at a boss while your peril is passively quelling

[cyan moth]

Really? Could've swore I see it hit yellows on occasion..

[river sand]

that are crits

[cyan moth]

O

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[river sand]

it has a high base critchance due to the critical bonus stat

[sour atlas]

yo what is the voidstaff perks i need for speed shooting? salvo and transfer peril?

[hexed ether]

flurry and transfer

[ember sentinel]

yeah flurry transfer makes it so you just dont need to quell

[obtuse moth]

its completely fine if you aim it towards the back of the horde, and use it on or behind you or your frontline when overwhelmed

[river sand]

yeah just get some aim. in a nice dense horde the trauma kills like 10-20 per shot. you cain aim so that the fly right in front of your melees. or if a few fly behind them, just clean up after yourself

its just too good to not do it

[spice veldt]

still don't like it because it'll still spread the density sideways

there's also the issue of potentially trapping your teammates into enemies, which is way too bad to ever do it

I absolutely fucking hate rumbler/trauma users who knock enemies such that I get blocked and can't dodge

[sour atlas]

is it possible to get on voidstaff with surge for secondary attack?

[ember sentinel]

yeah

[sour atlas]

is it any good?

[ember sentinel]

idk how good it is compared to flurry/transfer but it does work

i havent tested it so im not sure but im confident its worse than flurry/transfer

[sour atlas]

see i saw the speed shooting tech

so i was trying to figure out how to optimized the dmg

[ember sentinel]

someone here might know more about it

i used to run it and didnt really notice it doing anything crazy

but its been a while and i wasnt speed shooting

[late yew]

... no, it is headshots

easy way to speed shoot is hold right click and tap R and left click

[spice veldt]

they are demonstrably not headshots

use surge on scab bruisers and you'll see them take damage to their Flak armour instead unarmoured

and orange-coloured numbers indicate weakspot hits, not yellow

[late yew]

ah, specifically surge

[hybrid solstice]

Does Surge + Harness actually make for a good void staff or is it just a meme?

[summer prairie]

Only if you quell cancel, probably with a macro

[dense vault]

it´s not bad combo

but i think quell peril and faster charging is better

[summer prairie]

With perfect cancel flurry 5 is only 300ms faster, but you lose a lot of additional time quelling too

though takes a while to get the stacks up too

[obtuse moth]

probably significantly less shots (since surge is just a doubling of shots @ 25-30% chance depending on perks, but also requires downtime to manage peril) and far less consistent.

[obtuse moth]

takes time to build up peril too for warp

[obtuse moth]

you'd need a modified macro if so right? i read in this channel if you quell too fast it cancels the animation of shooting the second shot (surge)

[summer prairie]

You've to slow it down slightly, not much though because the delay is already longer when cancelling the charged vs cancelling lmb

but 300ms is with that taken into consideration

[late yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDQyo7EErDU

[hexed ether]

what melee weapon do you guys usually run with purgatus?

[late yew]

Deimos pretty obvious choice

[dense vault]

+1 for deimos, you need the single target killing power and it also additionally reks muties nicely

[obtuse moth]

ya deimos

[formal flume]

Ilisi

It’s full anti-horde for me

[split oxide]

purg+illisi (cos you can't trust PUG)
purg+deimos (if I trust teammates)

[snow plover]

Hi guys! Stopped playing 3 months ago, what's new in the psyker gang? Anything worth noticing? Reason to come back?

[spice veldt]

quelling is faster, duelling sword got a big brother, we got a faster and more mobile power sword

i forget if those additions were within 3 months ago or not

[dense vault]

psyker got some decent buffs

[snow plover]

No dont think we had these at the time! Nice! Meta back then was deflector sword

[spice veldt]

psyker melee scene is pretty good though we still only have 4 staffs

[split oxide]

forcesword has 2x siblings:

• deimos 'nuke'
• illisi 'powersword-swing'

[snow plover]

Alriiight!!

Thank you guys for the quick catchup!

[cold geode]

ton of feat changes as well

[snow plover]

scoreboards are in already? 😄

[obtuse moth]

tons of buffs but the new force swords are great

[split oxide]

unsupported 'mod'

[snow plover]

Ohh so how does that work if it's unsupported if you dont mind me asking

[ember hornet]

it's not unsupported but ok

everything on nexusmods is OK to download currently

[obtuse moth]

eh? its a mod, no quotes, and mods are totally supported

no technical support but full blessings

[split oxide]

You can download it and it has end-game stats,
FS says it's not illegal to use, but if it breaks, it breaks.

[ember hornet]

Fatshark gave the thumbs up so no worries about that

[spice veldt]

basically anything clientside is fine so far

stuff like healthbars in missions have been fine

[ember hornet]

I haven't had any stability issues related to mods either

they all just seem to work

[split oxide]

Yup, the mods are fine.
FS just don't want the 'triggered outrage' if it breaks.
caveat emptor

[ember hornet]

meanwhile someone posted on forums complaining that something like sorted mission grid was cheating

lol

[spice veldt]

oh a particularly nice change for psyker is that there's a native option to tune down the peril FX (sound and visuals) now

[split oxide]

That's the problem, people have mutually-exclusive ideas on how the game should look.

[split oxide]

WOT?!

[ember hornet]

yet fatshark keeps implementing mods people have made

yeah that's a thing now

[spice veldt]

yeah it's under Interface

though that option controls both the sound and visuals

[ember hornet]

I want a mod to turn the sounds up for the giga brain illisi experience

[spice veldt]

there's no option to control them both individually, though I don't find it to be to important as long as I can tune down the sounds

insane person speak

[split oxide]

I always thought it was by design..

• blood ringing in your ears * and you don't notice the hound behind you

[prisma condor]

[ember hornet]

sit at 100% peril and just hear nothing but warp sounds

blasting in your ears

[spice veldt]

yeah the sounds were so god damn annoying at 100% peril

esp when running warp unleashed with the trauma

[ember hornet]

yeah especially after they made sitting at max peril the way to play psyker more or less

[split oxide]

It's okay,.. Now the Blessings and Perks

[spice veldt]

there is now peace on this earth

[cyan notch]

damn

[prisma condor]

No idea if any of this is good for it

[split oxide]

I'm surprised you haven't 'earned' blessings.

[spice veldt]

precog is bad, unstable power is decent

[prisma condor]

I didn't use force swords before

[spice veldt]

in case you're not privy, unstable power stacks 4 times and gives a stack at 20/40/60/80% peril thresholds

t3 unstable power gives 4% power per stack

[split oxide]

Diemos is wierd.. Shred is not appropraite.
Deflector, Unstable.

On Illisi, you can use Shred.
But Diemos is a 'nuke' weapon.. if it's still standing in the second strike, you're in trouble.

So Blessings that rely on 'stacking multiple crits/weakspots' is only for hack-slash like illisi

[prisma condor]

I liked those two as melee options

[spice veldt]

you can apparently one-shot headshot mutants with the 2nd heavy with Warp Unleashed, +maniac, and some warp charges

so unstable power might help with that

depends

[ember hornet]

yeah, you don't have to use the special to do good damage

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike allows existing soulblaze dots to deal decent damage to crushers

[split oxide]

start cllecting blessings?

[prisma condor]

I barely get enough to roll once or get one from melk

[split oxide]

Buy them from shop for lvl 1-3.
Dud consecrations for lvl4

[prisma condor]

Some of my weapons have blessings I didn't give to Hadron because they being used

[split oxide]

That's fine - keep using them.
untill you find somethng better.. and you have a lvl-4 blessing spare to make it 'perfect'.

You have Deflector4 /w Precognition2?
Slap on your spare Slaughter4

These days I NEVER buy anything from Melk unless it has a lvl4. (one a week)

[split oxide]

sht, we forgot to tell you - and you prbably guessed - you can bless your own weapons now.

[fierce lantern]

any1 wanna do psycher monstrosity penance with me? :)

[obtuse moth]

uncanny is also good on deimos. and what are you talking about? the nuke is ON the second strike

[prisma condor]

I have 2nd tier deflector but I rarely use melee to block ranged attacks, let alone use force swords to begin with

Never had the problem with shooters as they usually die first

[obtuse moth]

shred isnt really great compared to alternatives that straight up improve damage or ignore armor

[kind jay]

if you want crit on illisi use bloodthirsty otherwise stick to slaughter/unstable

i personally hate the chained hit blessings they fall off too fast

[obtuse moth]

i find it ok if i have a brutal momentum 4 or something, still annoying but you get them back really fast since cleaving multiple targets stacks it

its more annoying that they can drop from things dying or getting stumbled out of your swing

[split oxide]

I'm saying Deimos isn't a hack/slash weapon. And you shouldn't be in melee longer than 4-5 swings before you disengage.

If you're swarmed, one psyker will take hits and anther one won't. You might turn one bruiser into ash, but 9x others will be swinging at you.
Stacks are okay if they 'transfer from enemy to enemy'/timers.
Uncanny does transfer, I just tested.

[violet yoke]

Pro tip a charged demos hit counts as 4 hits witch with uncanny u can get an enemy(a boss or crusher) to max stacks with one charge

Also fun but not to practical build is bloodthirsty/blazing sprit demos u can get max blaz stacks instantly on charged crit with demos

[split oxide]

I used to run deimos, but wading into a horde to rescue teammates is a job for illisi.
I'm looking at Slaughter+(other/probably delector)

[violet yoke]

I was just taking uncanny doing hords with demos is not a good idea

I agree

But a slaughter/uncanny can nuke the hell out of big boys

[river sand]

dont forget deimos heavy 2 is too got to even consider using the special attack. only reason to use it is a lonely crusher without anything near it

maybe a lonely mauler too

[violet yoke]

But the countrr argument is just bb... so u just do you but I like stabing shit!

Also playing around with new sword builds is way more fun then just BBIng everything every game...

[split oxide]

BB takes too long without 'f'.
You don't really get time for more than 1x BB before mutie or hound immobilizes you.

We've all been there, everyone is trying to hold a corridor with 1xbullwark, 2x crushers and 1x rager trying to breakthrough - with a small horde behind it.

It won't take long before a crusher smashes your teammates, while the rager is shredding toughness.

Take your finger off the Purg, dive in:
nuke rager
nuke crusher.
jump back and repeat (if your team is still standing)

[ember hornet]

in no world does BB take too long without F