psyker-class

[hidden crystal]

And sliding everywhere looks stupid as frag.

[fierce sinew]

looks o p t i m a l

[spice veldt]

how bout with sprint eff

[fierce sinew]

need the twitch 90 degree turn and dodge too though

[spice veldt]

and while the impact out of combat is not remarkable

it's still nice when you're in combat and pushing through a map

hate having to ever sprint at 0 stamina

pushes also still work at 0 stamina, albeit with much less stagger

[hidden crystal]

I've not got any Curios with sprint efficiency that aren't sacrificing something else I'd rather have.

[spice veldt]

same with dodges

well not 0 but the moment your stamina regens even a little bit for pushes

[hidden crystal]

I'll admit that the stamina regen is mostly to deal with "why are we sprinting fragging everywhere", but I do have to say that between that, extra stamina, block efficiency and kinetic deflection, it's fun being able to pick up team mates while attacks just bounce off a ridiculous amount of block.

Although, alas, no deflecting bullets while reviving.

[crystal jolt]

Wow, the psyker monstrosity penance is way harder to get with the upped spawns.

[atomic forum]

just slide everywhere

I've started just sliding all the time in darktide and now i just rarely take ranged damage, always have stam, and look like a crackhead

[leaden thunder]

this is the way

[atomic forum]

dodge slide with a force sword is so funny, you can just "oops, pardon me, excuse me" across entire rooms

[leaden thunder]

with the deimos it's just schmovin

[atomic forum]

deimos takes my favorite parts about duelling sword and then also adds the ability to use deflector or use the charge attack. if i wasnt having so much fun with shredder lately id be back to deimos purgatus

[long wharf]

@leaden thunder well, this certainly means it's possible

[prisma condor]

[prisma condor]

If it's worth getting for blessings which one to get first?

[void mural]

Riposte is bad. Unstable is good, especially with warp unleashed

[rapid bear]

New to Psyker and earning my way through the weapons... which force sword is generally considered the best option these days?

[ember sentinel]

Illsi is probably the best but deimos is also very very good

Deimos is very high single target damage with the ability to horde clear and illsi is very good horde clear with the ability to do good damage to single target

So pick whichever works best for you/your build

[rapid bear]

The "Obscuros" or whatever is pretty trash?

[ember sentinel]

Yeah its just the worst of both worlds

Worse horde clear than illsi and Worse single target than deimos

Just not worth using unless you really want to

[prisma condor]

Leave unarmored or get flak one?

[ember sentinel]

Probably flak

I find flak more helpful than unarmored a lot of the time unless something is already good against flak

But youd be fine with either

They both have there uses

[prisma condor]

With this one enemies get rending so I'm not sure

Flak counts as unarmored when it works right?

[leaden thunder]

no

rending is weird

just makes you do more damage to some enemies(whether they actually wear armor doesn't matter)

and the enemies it helps vs changes depending on the weapon

[prisma condor]

So I leave it with flak for now then

[leaden thunder]

ye

[ember sentinel]

Wow i didnt realize how good that roll was

[prisma condor]

It's nice even with 60 mobility I get 5 dodges

[atomic forum]

depends. deimos is the best for single target stabbing and illisi is the best for hordes

[ember sentinel]

Yeah mobility is dueling swords strength

[atomic forum]

i take illisi with gun and deimos with purgatus

[rapid bear]

Really digging the Deimos. Picked one up out of the shop, and being able to one-shot a mutant with garbage stats in a pinch is pretty great.

[ember sentinel]

Yeah it is very good at that lol

[atomic forum]

yes it does a ton of damage just base

[mental junco]

ehhhh, should i?

[ember sentinel]

Yes

At least take one of those blessings off

[leaden thunder]

unless you expect it to get gutted (which you shouldn't) then yes get it

[atomic forum]

that's pretty much perfect

literally just use that

[ember sentinel]

That thing will destroy every map lol

Pinning fire four is essentially a cheat code

[atomic forum]

pinning fire blaze away is insane

pinning fire mostly yeah

[ember sentinel]

You could even have 2 good perks

[mental junco]

which sword should I take with this...

[ember sentinel]

Ngl

[atomic forum]

illisi is my pick

[ember sentinel]

It does not matter

[atomic forum]

for gun

[ember sentinel]

But probably illsi

[atomic forum]

illisi let's you keep high peril easily

get a low warp resist roll

its also just insane for hordes and works for armor in a pinch

[ember sentinel]

Can also bb armor/kinetic flayer can deal with armor when its not on cool down

So you'll be covered

[mental junco]

so the second perk goes to Flaks i think?

[ember sentinel]

Yeah flak

[mental junco]

as its already crazy dmg to manic

[ember sentinel]

🤨

Wym no that things insane

Unless you just dont like gun psyker lol

[primal plume]

Which one should I go with?

should i try to touch up the left?

[ember sentinel]

Right

Left could be decent if you wanted to try the blaze build but idk how well it works on void

[kind jay]

my bad, deleted msg. thought i was responding to something else

ugh

i better go to sleep

[ember sentinel]

Ah lol

Idc if you didnt like gun psyker i was just wondering

But that makes sense

[kind jay]

nah i like guns and that shredder is great

[cyan notch]

u just need 50

[ember hornet]

surge blessing fires a 0 charge attack right

[cyan notch]

nah

pretty sure its same/full charge as your shot

[ember hornet]

hmm I swear I saw a video of it being bad but I have no idea

[cyan notch]

it is bad

but the damage is normal void damage

[ember hornet]

thanks

[long wharf]

on Trauma, surge blessing doesn't work on the charged attack

for void, surge blessing works for all attacks

[hidden crystal]

I'd ask if you smack enemies twice with the bash attack.

[long wharf]

I'm not sure the "bash" even does damage

[hidden crystal]

I don't think I've ever used the bash on any ranged weapon during a mission.

I should probably try it at some point - it might actually do more than I expect.

[cyan notch]

it does damage

like 14

[hidden crystal]

Well, the main question is whether it's got enough stagger to buy more time to switch to melee.

I do occasionally have "trying to shoot heretics point blank with a Headhunter" moments.

[cyan notch]

it has a really slow startup

youre better off switching to melee

melee switching has like no delay most of the time anyway

[ember sentinel]

Ive heard the gun bashes can give you space but never tested it myself

[karmic reef]

what exactly am I gaining here?

[ember sentinel]

As blood said tho some weapons like mk 5 axe just swap instantly and you can swing

Crit chance

[hidden crystal]

They really need to fix that description.

[cold geode]

crit chance

used to be warp nexus

they renamed it and boofed the description

[magic burrow]

I mean the description is fairly straight forward

as the situation gets more perilous, the Psyker gets more based

[cyan notch]

based on what

[civic jungle]

Hadron mommy was nice to me

[magic burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrNu-SuFF_o

[obtuse moth]

On the bolter it's a push that works on poxbursters and you keep your weapon ready too

[obtuse moth]

It really depends on how fast your ranged weapon takes to ready and if you need to continue shooting

[terse saffron]

Headhunter autoguns also oneshot groaners on bash headshot if you have any +damage on

100% useless but at least doesn't require stamina

[atomic forum]

you could say the illisi brings some joy to my gameplay, yes. god this sword is fun

[cyan notch]

the question i was responding to was "whether it's got enough stagger to buy more time to switch to melee"

[obtuse moth]

Gun stab kills can also extend volley fire fwiw

[obtuse moth]

Ah 👍

[dusk sierra]

I assume I would swap blazing spirit and stamina? Big E gave me a gift, not ideal but good stats

[obtuse moth]

swap blazing but stamina might be more useful tbh than the crit hit. ymmv, both are valid options to swap out. if you're taking deflector definitely keep stamina, but its probably useful in more situations than the crit damage

[dusk sierra]

hm fair

blazing w deflect or warp flurry?

i forget if WF is melee too

[obtuse moth]

wildfire can be used with melee SB, warp flurry isnt

[spice veldt]

I'd keep stamina over crit dmg

force sword has no bonus crit chance so it only has 5%, and there's the whole shebang of crit damage not being good as well as the crit bonus being lowered when you hit a weakspot

your choice of offensive blessings is prob going to be unstable power, bloodthirsty, or uncanny strike

with my personal preference being unstable power

[obtuse moth]

executor can also work ok on illisi but i pref uncanny over it

[crude cape]

what blessings do you want on pistol for the psyker machine pistol build?

[cyan notch]

pinning fire blaze away

[crude cape]

ok, and is it best to go for auto headpop build

or like the soulblaze build

if i understand theres 2 ways to build it

[cyan notch]

auto pop

[crude cape]

ok, love staffs but been wanting to mix it up. Started leveling a vet and idk, its lvl 15 and i find it kind of boring

saw this shredder psyker (and also been hearing about revolver psyker, but some say its a meme) and they seemed to look actually viable

and more interesting than vet still, bc you still have force push, BB, and soulfire procs etc which are fun

if I was going to try a revolver psyker too - (I have a soft spot for pistol/handcannon types)
I was told Speedload is a must-have, and pair it with any combo of, point blank, crucian, surgical or maybe sustained fire.
does that sound right?

[obtuse moth]

revolvers are memes, i think laspistol is much more viable than revolver

[shadow surge]

so uhh this means damage right?

[obtuse moth]

it means crit chance

[spice veldt]

it used to be called 'Warp Nexus' but they renamed it for whatever reason and borked the description

[bold flint]

oh shit there it is

[grand arrow]

i wonder if we'll ever get a two handed force sword

[rare furnace]

Wait finesse doenst include crit?

[bold flint]

it affects its crit power but not chance

for crit chance youd actually need critical bonus as a stat

see: tactical axes

[primal plume]

Use Purge
High int shock trooper
Purge only useful against trash that die in one hit
Too slow to charge to react to all the nonstop chaos

Good staff btw

[bold flint]

i thought you were supposed to spam left clicks on specials to stagger them

[spice veldt]

lucceia seems to have the misconception that purg is only for trash

[rare furnace]

That’s more mid but I geuss it gives attack speed so you hit more often

[spice veldt]

and ignores the LMB on it

not that the purg LMB has been the most reliable attack in my experience

[bold flint]

i always aim for high finesse on any weapon that has it

[grand arrow]

i ignore LMB on every staff

gimmick attack

[primal plume]

Its not a misconception if its a fact

[spice veldt]

staff LMB is nice for staggering reapers

[grand arrow]

should just remove it and put the staff bash there

[rare furnace]

Next week I’ll be probably back in the game after 1,5 month penace patch looks good

[grand arrow]

itd be more useful

[spice veldt]

it's a misconception if you keep on ignoring the infinite cleave and the fact that you can cleave trash enemies into elites

staff bash is way worse than the LMB

the staff LMB does provide a consistent method of ranged stagger

[grand arrow]

i was being facetious

[spice veldt]

just that it sucks at every fucking thing else

I despise projectile weapons that have this slow ass fire rate and especially with ping

most shitty things to ever use

[grand arrow]

remove staff bolt and give psyker a pistol weapon slot :^)

[crude cape]

hello - havent used trauma staff since week 1 when it was considered bad. See its good now, want to make one.
What blessings + perks do i want?

[grand arrow]

press X to barter

[spice veldt]

I like +Unarmoured (specifically to one-shot 450 hp dreg bruisers without needing to rely too much on buffs from warp charges/warp unleashed) and +Flak (to make killing gunners/shotgunners easier)

[crude cape]

https://tenor.com/view/excuse-huh-gif-18307887

[spice veldt]

For blessings, Warp Flurry + Rending Shockwave is usually recommended by most

[primal plume]

Everything does that. And without having to walk right up to it

[crude cape]

ty!

[spice veldt]

I'm a focused channeling stan for trauma though to sprint slide into ranged shooters

[spice veldt]

I'm talking about the bolt LMB of surge/void/trauma with that sentence since I was responding to igron

[crude cape]

what exactly does rending shockwave do? what is brittleness?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

using this site fro blessing descriptions

[grand arrow]

it weakens armor basically

lets you do more damage to carapace and flak

[crude cape]

so more dmg on the attack, or more dmg on follow up atks after applying brittlenes?

[grand arrow]

the latter

[bold flint]

voidstrike crit rate is 5% isnt it

[spice veldt]

blessings that trigger on-hit don't seem to apply to the initial hit that applies it

[crude cape]

so im guessing its [rending shockwave] a breakpoint blessing? lets you 2 hit armored enemies instead of 3 etc, or 2 tap with no charge

or something?

[spice veldt]

probably; I don't recall it having any bonus crit chance

brittleness is a debuff that lasts for 5 seconds, applies 5% rending to all attacks dealt to the target per stack, and stacks 8 times at max

[grand arrow]

more like its to let you entire team kill a crusher in 5 seconds instead of 6

[bold flint]

can opener good

[grand arrow]

its a pretty slight buff in most cases but it can add it quite a bit

[spice veldt]

yeah, though it sort of depends on the weapon

most melee weapons have a decent amount of carapace pen

[crude cape]

so its good bc it probably gives you breakpoints against big units, but it also weakens armor so team kills faster.
Does this mean i should be hitting maulers crushers and bulwarks with my staff, and not using BB like I would with a purgatus or voidstrike build?

[spice veldt]

rending isn't a strict damage buff

[grand arrow]

it doesn't weaken armor per se, more like it makes weapons weak against armor stronger

[spice veldt]

if an attack already deals 100% to a specific armour type, then you won't receive any damage boost

[grand arrow]

this ^

[bold flint]

i guess if youre focused on keeping a crusher horde stunned with trauma it probably becomes useful for your teammates to actually kill them, useless for yourself otherwise

[spice veldt]

and rending/brittleness won't ever push your damage over 100% against a particular armour type

[crude cape]

hmm gotcha, ill be honest it doesnt sound amazing on paper, maybe i need to try it. I feel like there has to be a peril based blessing , or crit chance or something that is just as good, no?

[spice veldt]

for the trauma staff in particular, the only armour type it deals less than 100% damage against is Infested (poxbursters, poxwalkers, poxhounds)

yeah brittleness is a bit niche

[bold flint]

i want to get a good trauma with burn on crit and crit with peril

[spice veldt]

but having bonus damage against crushers is quite nice

and the other blessings on trauma are a bit meh

[grand arrow]

an example of where brittleness really really shines is against crushers when using the bolter

[bold flint]

so i can get some funny haha warp charges from using trauma staff

[spice veldt]

or in teams where you have flamethrower teammates

[grand arrow]

having +4 brittleness per shot on the bolter is absolutely insane against the crusher since it maxes out damage in like 5 shots

[spice veldt]

just dink some crushers with your trauma and they'll start racking damage from burn/soulblaze (if the zealots haven't already used their ult)

I hate crushers so I like having rending shockwave on trauma

especially when they decide to spawn in groups of 3+

[crude cape]

gotcha

ok ty! ill try it

need to make one first

got bunch of new weapons to craft

[grand arrow]

me personally my favorite staff is the surge staff

[bold flint]

the residentsleeper staff

[grand arrow]

because i am poop and cannot aim

[crude cape]

list right now is: good trauma staff, and a good deimos and illisi. luxury if i play enough: shredder pistol and revolver to try gunner psyker memes lol

[crude cape]

i used to like it a lot, but it got kind of boring for me eventually

bc its just a stun bot

[grand arrow]

please dont use gun psyker it is a huge meme and nukes ammo economy for your team

doubly so if anyone else is running it

[spice veldt]

only ruins ammo economy if you forget about your melee

[crude cape]

nah, i hear shredder pistol is a top 4 build in the whole game, strongest psyker build lots of people say

i dont really care tbh im gonna play fun builds

[bold flint]

laspistol psyker for funny warp pushing

[crude cape]

if i just played a vet i would also "nuke ammo economy for my team" its a game gonna play what i want lmao. not like its a ranked pvp game

not saying gonna be running constant tier 5s with it tho

[spice veldt]

though vets have the regen 1% on elite/special kill and basically 40% more ammo from ammo packs

[bold flint]

sedition gaming

[crude cape]

ok then every zealot and orgryn who ever picks up ammo is the same lol

i understand the sentiment of "dont run bad builds and go into tier 5s just to suck and lose bc you think its fun"

[spice veldt]

yeah, psykers do tend to get a bad rep on the gun usage side of things for whatever reason

[grand arrow]

a psyker that uses a staff uses infinitely less ammo than one that uses a gun

[crude cape]

but thats different than "dont play entirely viable builds and practice them/try them out in tier 3s and 4s, because psyker isnt allowed to use ammo"

that stupid

[spice veldt]

if the only statistic you're going to use is ammo consumption, and you're going to compare their relative usage, then of course staffs are better than guns

but there's also a nonzero amount of ammo to pick up in the game

[crude cape]

best gunner in the game when built right, at least next to the other 2 non vets.....we get the most % ranged dmg for our ammo outside of vet. Vet just has more ammo % economy

[spice veldt]

and coming from a surge psyker, I would expect you to know about the usage of melee

melee also uses infinitely less ammo than a gun

[crude cape]

"dont use an entire build and weapon archtype thats actually the 2nd best gunner in the game, bc i think psykers role in society is to not use ammo. Stay in the kitchen psyker. You may be more efficient with a gun build than any ogryn or zealot picking up ammo, but because you have the option of a staff, you're not allowed to pick up a gun! Its anti-gamer!"

not just trying to start an argument, but thats how i feel about this stance. I just think its silly - all builds are ok to play if you're building them seriously and not intentionally ruining games.

[cyan notch]

Use void
High int shock trooper
void only useful against trash that die in one hit
Too slow to charge to react to all the nonstop chaos

[crude cape]

i love voidstaff, but i always struggle with it in t4 and especially 5

it was my first favorite staff, first legendary craft etc

[spice veldt]

that one hit statement does apply the most to void

and also not being able to sprint-slide with it

[grand arrow]

the efficacy of gunpsyker legitimately feels like an oversight and something that wasnt actually intended. and i honestly do think psykers should stay in the staff kitchen unironically. the classes were all designed to fulfill roles in the gameplay ecosystem and enabling that kind of divergent behavior is detrimental to both the identity of the class and the roles they were designed to fulfill

[crude cape]

lol

i mean you sound so fun to game with

i just inherently disagree at a fundamental level

thats alright though, to each their own

also - you ignore that psyker is the 2nd best gunner in the game. Shredder pistol psyker possibly being the psykers strongest build (or so i hear, people say its nuts)

[spice veldt]

no ranged burst dps :(

[grand arrow]

i already addressed this

[summer prairie]

yeah they gave psykers guns and them being worth using is an oversight

[spice veldt]

yeah just cut the damage of guns in half for psykers

[grand arrow]

literally yes

i feel like them being given guns in the first place is to cope with there only being 4 staves in the game

[spice veldt]

not much of an oversight then is it?

[crude cape]

how many matches do ya'll play play that dont have a psyker (or any single class) in them? happens all the time. No different changing my build preset from a staff one to a gun one and queueing up, than it is logging out and logging back on my zealot.

the game doesn't take class balance into effect in matchmaking to that level - your logic and reasoning is purely authoritarian "don't play this bc i think its bad idealistically" your opinion isn't based in fact at all lol

[spice veldt]

and what's wrong with psykers having a ranged burst DPS weapon?

I don't really see the need to adhere to such strict class identities

[summer prairie]

will the gunslinger be allowed to use guns or will that be an oversight as well

[north cradle]

Got humbled on how effective Bolter Veterans can be on HiShock5. Good lads them were

[grand arrow]

probably because there isn't a ranged burst staff is my guess

[crude cape]

exactly. its not even based in logic - all facts point to the psyker being the 2nd best gunner in the game. The matchmaking doesn't make sure it has X amount of psykers every match for "ammo economy". his reasoning is based in nothing but idealistic authoritarianism. "tell people what and how to play bc I think I know best"

again, im gonna start an argument. but this type of gate keeping/policing in games is so eye rolley and neck beardy. play the game and have some fun, k?

[grand arrow]

nope. they literally sling firearms themselves at the enemy

[hidden crystal]

So... "psykers with guns can be entirely effective, but no, don't play that because I think it's wrong"?

[grand arrow]

yes

[spice veldt]

and there's the other thingy of each class having their own inventories and resources

[cyan notch]

YOU CANT PICK UP AMMO ITS ALL MINE I CAN WASTE AMMO BUT U CANT!!!!!

[north cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-stride-chad-stride-gif-23434553

[crude cape]

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[hidden crystal]

Well, your lordliness, I didn't realise this whole game was entirely about making you, specifically, happy.

[cyan notch]

WHY ARE YOU MAKING ME MANAGE MY AMMO I WANT TO JUST PICK EVERYTHING UP

[crude cape]

its crazy to me people play games just to min max so hard, they say you shouldn't play the 2nd best gunner build in the game, bc i think its idealistically wrong

[obtuse moth]

it just buffs other non-trauma attacks damage on armor. trauma right click already does 100% without it

[crude cape]

how much you wanna bet Irgon is religious?

lmaooooooooo

[grand arrow]

what's ironic about this is that i am vehemently anti-min/max and i would prefer if that entire subculture of gaming died forever

[crude cape]

ok imma stop, gonna go game instead of argue. I disagree with you Igron but to each their own. I would say reflect on why games like this are fun and its not always about min maxing

also, even if it was always about min maxing, psykers are good gunners

so it makes no sense

see ya

[north cradle]

Nah min-max is just as fun as not min-maxing

[cyan notch]

yeah those filthy min maxers i say let us strive for mediocrity instead! whos with me!!

[spice veldt]

nothing wrong with min maxing

[cyan notch]

lets all aspire to be aggressively average!!!

[spice veldt]

I'm going to play the build I like

even if that happens to be min maxxing

[north cradle]

I play Star Trek Online, and it taught me the joys of min-maxing.

[grand arrow]

my favorite build in the game for example is ogryn shield

but I will probably never run it outside of malice for shits and giggles until it's actually worth using

[crude cape]

i like min maxing.
I dont like min max culture and gate keeping min maxing causes.
I also think sometimes the culture 'solves' games too quickly and its created an issue for developers and changed how they make games, its complicated.

I do enjoy min/maxing in a healthy manor tho, i was just asking here about best blessings etc so....its hard not to do!

[kind jay]

4 surge staves is toppest minmax

[hidden crystal]

As it is, one big part of the reason I play gunpsyker builds is because I cannot be fragging bothered to grind up a Veteran with good gear.

[cyan notch]

please psyker please dont use ammo!!!! the game isnt balanced around 4 people having ammo i get extremely distressed and cant function when 4 people in darktide bring guns please im begging u please please please

[grand arrow]

yes

[north cradle]

Yeh ideally you want your min-maxing to be more effective as the difficulty gets higher, like Payday 2's only kicks in at the high level Crime Sprees

[cyan notch]

4 people using ammo is strictly forbidden but 3 magically solves all problems please psyker dont tip us over to the dangerous number 4 im scared

[hidden crystal]

There's really zero "roles to fill" in DT unless you've got an established strike team, because you can end up with any combination of classes. I've often been the only Psyker on teams that are all Ogryn, all Zealot or all Veteran.

[grand arrow]

🤔 maybe they gave veteran the best melee weapon in the game so they have something to do when they're inevitably robbed of all their ammo

[near wyvern]

WDYM if I play my gunker with MG IV and there is a vet in the team I don't need to pick up ammo. The gen from vet passive is enough to keep me topped up. Just melee the melee and shoot the ranged.

[crude cape]

I have never played pay day 2, always looked kinda cool but i never understood it.
is it basically a 'tide game at heart? similar to like, drg, but about robbing banks?
aka: go in, do mission with team, complete obj, get upgrades and power increases/items etc outside of match, go in and do harder levels as you go, the top level is pretty high skill cap etc, high replayability
sorry i know this isnt psyker chat just had an opportunity to ask lol

[cyan notch]

no!!! gunpsyker bad!!! the team literally cannot function with 4 people using ammo!! please dont use please please please

[north cradle]

Yeh

I've played Payday 2 since 2014

[hidden crystal]

I've been on one all-psyker team, but that was a wipe, alas. Many three psyker games, and at that point one of them not being a gunpsyker means there's way more ammo than the last player could possibly use on their own.

[north cradle]

Payday 2 has more maps on launch than Darktide, and map variables

[grand arrow]

this but unironically

[near wyvern]

Kinda yea and kinda no. You also have different ways of completing some missions (stealth or guns blazing). The maps have more variety but you do have your traditional 4 man team with disablers and alls and it's beneficial if you plan your loadouts to complement each others and the strategy of mission completion.

[crude cape]

same with DRG, which ive been playing recently. I love darktides combat but i put in 100 hours or so and got a bit bored. Coming back now just bc i got an itch for the combat. But i wish it had more variety

[grand arrow]

put on the staff

[north cradle]

Also Payday 2 has like 190 weapons? They didn't really introduce more gimmick weapons until 2017 or so

[crude cape]

darktide is a beautiful game, im sure development of the maps, sound, music etc etc took a lot.
and the combat is crisp and skillfull and addicting.
but man....the variety is so lacking. I remember being shocked only 4 classes compared to...like, 12+? on launch of v2

[hidden crystal]

So you get TPKs every time there's not a staff psyker? Damn.

[crude cape]

the maps look BEAUTIFUL

[obtuse moth]

a gaziilion paid dlc, which were mostly worth the first few years

[crude cape]

but they're all so samey

not enough variety

game has so much potential i love it honestly

just wish it had more

[grand arrow]

i dont know what a tpk is. i just seethe quietly to myself because there is absolutely nothing i can do about a weird design decision

[hidden crystal]

Total Party Kill.

[near wyvern]

Yeah and Darkride could take some notes out of the weapon customization on Payday 2. Like the only part you can't change is the shell of the gun. Grip, trigger, butt, barrel, attachments, all can be changed to tune the stats of the weapon.

[crude cape]

DRG and how varied its biomes and dynamic random events are is so fun, darktide just needs more of that.
More classes, more maps, more random events/enemies/monster bosses that can spawn.
different assassination final bosses...

[near wyvern]

How I imagined the weapon crafting to be in Darktide was that you can salvage a weapon for its part and then apply that to another gun but no.

[crude cape]

imagine if darktide had tarkov weapon modding lol

or even 10% of it

dunno if any other EFT players here lol

game is my most played game since 2019

[ornate hamlet]

3500 hours of my life I’ll never get back

[hidden crystal]

Also, when it comes to the "OMG, gunpsyker uses ammo?????" argument, it's not like the game director (to some level) adjusts resources based on how the team uses them or anything...

[north cradle]

If we could cram every weapon variant into a single base and have Hadron swap them out, the Melk Store wouldn't be diluted with so much shit

Let me just have the Kantrael Infantry Lasgun and then we can swap the receivers for Ia, IV, and XII

[hidden crystal]

(Unbolts Obscurus sword blade, puts Illisi sword blade into hilt).

[north cradle]

Unscrews pommel of Catachan Claw Sword
Ends Plague Ogryn rightly

[crude cape]

question: for high difficulty (4/5) what curios does everyone use?
1 wound, 2x toughness or hp%?
all 3 toughness or hp %?
or maybe 1 wound, 1 toughness %, 1 hp %?

[hidden crystal]

Depends on the rest of your gear, really.

[ornate hamlet]

Straight health for me

[hexed ether]

used to have 2xtough 1 wound felt bad now i swapped to 2x healt 1x tough feels amazing

[crude cape]

im also 1 wound 2x toughness rn.
whenever i try to drop the wound i miss it dearly

[hidden crystal]

If you're using a Deflector sword, more Stamina is very useful. (Note also that I think Kinetic Deflection scales with your available Stamina).

[north cradle]

Yeh

[ornate hamlet]

Wound is crutch embrace 2 wound life

[crude cape]

I use deflector, but I also almost always use the force blocking on low peril feat

[kind jay]

i use 2hp 1 tough with kinetic shield feels extra tanky

[crude cape]

maybe its bc im bad lol

[north cradle]

For Kinetic Deflection, more Stamina is better than Block Efficiency

[crude cape]

and i go down

[grand arrow]

i wish they'd move wounds from blessings to perks on curios

[crude cape]

but if you use peril blocking, you dont use stamina. So i use block efficiency, no?

[grand arrow]

just seems never worthwhile to use a wound

[north cradle]

Peril generation is dictated by your stamina for some reason

[cyan notch]

3x hp

[north cradle]

So having a higher max stamina means you generate less peril

[crude cape]

oh shit

[grand arrow]

is that true for all blocking or just psyker's specific blocking

[crude cape]

i had no idea

so....+block efficiency is basically useless. You still want +stamina for strong kinectic deflection?

thats crazy....i guess block efficiency would still stack with +stamina?

[hidden crystal]

If you have twice as much stamina, your KD Peril will go further too. There was a video a week or three back of someone with about +8 or +9 Stamina and KD tanking a Damnation daemonhost.

[grand arrow]

wtf lmao

[north cradle]

For all blocking, more Stamina means you can block for longer. It just interacts differently with Psyker

[near wyvern]

Haven't tested but kinetic deflection block cost directly scales with max stamina so that's why it's so good with it

[obtuse moth]

depends on how much stamina you have, if you have two bars adding one more bar is 50% more block, which is more efficient than +15% block efficiency assuming you let it regen

[cyan notch]

its not useless but iirc stam scales better than block eff at lower stam

[grand arrow]

wish i could get a +3 stamina to drop on my ogryn

[north cradle]

Which also depends on your weapon's Block Cost

[obtuse moth]

stamina is more general purpose fwiw, it lets you sprint too, and push more often

[grand arrow]

does stamina regen scale with max?

or is it a flat rate

[crude cape]

this info just made what i thought was one of my best curios TRASH lol

good info tho...probably not knowing this was holding me back

[near wyvern]

@grand arrow an example what you can do as a Psyker with +9 stamina

https://youtu.be/l_ol8sMQQDc

[hidden crystal]

Flat rate.

[obtuse moth]

stamina consumption is flat, afaik you can swap to a low stam weapon to regen and swap to high stam weapon to sprint

since it only remembers % between swaps

[hidden crystal]

Yes, that's the odd thing. It... kind of scales backwards.

[kind jay]

yeah I've tried it myself and it's funny as hell

[grand arrow]

if only the shield was 1/3rd as good as this lmao

even with 20% block and three 10% block curios it only takes a couple combos for it to break neutral block

[north cradle]

Yeh

It's honestly a bizarre system to me

[crude cape]

i dont have a good deimos sword at all.... I was considering using Slaughterer + Shred, but could do Slaughterer + deflector with this.
Its only 365 stat pool tho...should i buy this?

only lvl 2 deflector though

[north cradle]

You got that 365 in basically all the right places. The Perk and Blessing don't inspire confidence though

[hidden crystal]

Even with only +3 or +4 Stamina (depending on which sword I bring), stacking that with KD and a bit of block efficiency is really tough to break when reviving allies (usually only ranged weapons).

[north cradle]

Also Deflector rank doesn't matter because higher ranks are broken and only give you the 3% block reduction of Rank 1 anyhow

[kind jay]

it's fine. the block cost is whatever.

[crude cape]

i mean deflector is good! its just not tier 4, so I would need to hope it rolls slaughterer, or deal with tier 2 deflector. Its best i got for now tho think i need to buy it

i could run a stam curio + some block eff

and make up for it

[obtuse moth]

id prefer rolling the maniac myself

deflector block cost is still bugged atm isnt it?

[crude cape]

meaning what, the tier of deflector perk doesnt matter?

[obtuse moth]

shred is meh, uncanny strike is what you want on deimos from what i hear

yea, means deflector tier doesnt matter atm

[crude cape]

i mean the perks and blessings can be rolled seperatly lol. +maniac dmg doesnt seem bad especially if im pairing it iwth a purgatus staff, i usually pull my melee special out for maniacs (arent those the green shirtless berserkers)

[near wyvern]

Forget about Slaughterer for Deimos if your ranged can clear horde well already. Unstable power is what you want with as high +maniac as you can get. Why?

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10

[hidden crystal]

Indeed... but after a decent initial stamina boost, there is a point at which efficiency does become quite worthwhile (partly because it also means less time charging your stamina back up).

[crude cape]

ill check it out, i was following this guide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8Ggn55j30A&ab_channel=RykenXIV

he shows off 1 tapping mutants

and some cool tech, when you use the 1light+1heavy reset double poke

[obtuse moth]

i mean that maniac tier is a low rolll and i'd prefer rolling a higher one. you're guaranteed to not get a higher maniac on that unless you perk it to something you dont want and upgrade

[obtuse moth]

yeah but i'd still prefer stamina and stamina regen over block cost

[north cradle]

Yeh, Maniac on Deimos is great

[near wyvern]

And @obtuse moth yes deflector block cost reduction is bugged

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/deflector-blessing-block-cost-reduction-is-not-working/77907

[crude cape]

well its all i got for now, so imma buy it and use it until i get better. Also, it could roll a great 2nd perk and blessing. worth rolling it at least

but thanks for tips, at least i know what to look for now

new weapon for me havent played in a bit

[summer prairie]

It's not bugged

[hidden crystal]

Eh, I'd kind of prefer +20% Block Efficiency on my Illisi than +1 Stamina - the Stamina's a decent consolation prize (it does mean more pushes), but mathematically once I've already got +3 stamina from a curio, a big block boost starts to go further. (Particularly stacked with other block efficiency perks).

[summer prairie]

It gives block reduction vs ranged only, which makes sense. The description doesn't reflect that though

[obtuse moth]

id perk that slot to something you dont want to reduce the pool size when you upgrade

[crude cape]

with the intention of being able to infinite re-roll it back to tier 4 + maniac dmg after? thats smart ty!

how is % toughness regeneration speed as a Curio perk?

[obtuse moth]

fantastic

it double dips, it affects both toughness regeneration delay and tougness regeneration speed

[crude cape]

damn, ya it sounds good

also the number is high....22.5% for tier 3

[hidden crystal]

Decent, if your team actually fragging well remember to stay in coherency.

[crude cape]

i feel like if you had 3 tier 4's, it would be noticeable

[hidden crystal]

Not sure what other sources of toughness it affects.

[obtuse moth]

very noticable, and insane on ogryns with +100% feat

[crude cape]

would it synergize and make "Essence Harvest" better?

or am i best still using Warp Absorbtion

[obtuse moth]

dont think it affects essence harvest but haven't tested

[hidden crystal]

That's one thing I'm not sure about.

[crude cape]

i used to love essence harvest, but its too slow sometimes

i doubt it does bc essence harvest specifies "over 5 seconds"

but if you could reduce that 5 seconds by the %....

THAT sounds insane

probs would be OP

[obtuse moth]

apparently the one that gives tough on warp kills works decently well with illisi empowered swipes but i havent been a fan of it

[hidden crystal]

Well, I use it on gunpsyker builds, as with Psychic Communion it can at least trigger on a lot of things.

[obtuse moth]

they said its like 50% toughess in one swipe

[obtuse moth]

oh, it wouldnt improve harvest essences regen speed, but it should stack with toughness regen yea

[hexed ether]

whats the best way to go about malleus monstrum? im 94/100 rounds atm and only other missing penance is malleus

[obtuse moth]

@hexed ether talk to your teammates

and ask

[near wyvern]

I guess I should try a melee jedi build with warp absoption and Bloodthirsty Deflector

[obtuse moth]

its that simple tbh. run barrage, i think i personally ran 6 stack + peril resist but i think all t2 options would work and flayer would be fine too

[spice veldt]

toughness regen speed only affects the regeneration from coherency and nothing else

[obtuse moth]

if you're REALLY stuck, get an ogryn shield boy to tank a daemonhost for you, you can get those on lights out missions really consistently

[crude cape]

if im using a deimos + purgatus build - I want Warp Absorption right? Or is Essence Harvest better?

flame charged kills count as warp attacks, right?

[obtuse moth]

no

[crude cape]

they really dont?

bc im pretty sure other staffs charged attacks do

[obtuse moth]

maybe if direct damage kills it but not the flame

[summer prairie]

both count

[obtuse moth]

normally you take the top feat on purge

[summer prairie]

quietitude > warp absorption > essence harvest

[crude cape]

so for purgatus I want to be 111112, not 211112

[obtuse moth]

3 is really strong now too like syllog said since the quell changes

[hexed ether]

ill try that uusally ive been unlucky that when ihad an shield boy there was no host
ill try looking for an lights out one next time

[crude cape]

I feel like i dont like quietitude thast much unless im using voidstrike with the reduce peril on headshot feat bc it synergizes. You're just venting enough normally for quietude to be the best even with, say, purgatus build

maybe ihavent played enough recently since the quelling buffs

i still am stuck in month 2 patch mindset

[spice veldt]

the advantage of quietude compared to warp absorption is that it performs the same regardless of how many enemies there are (barring Battle Meditation and Transfer Peril), and you can generate toughness without the kill condition and from cover

[obtuse moth]

ah soulblaze does count? because afaik warp unleashed didn't buff soulblaze until the changes to affect all damage which would characterise it as non-warp?

[spice veldt]

warp absorption is nice for final events, but I prefer quietude for the rest of the map especially as somebody who roams around away from their team

[cold geode]

so i got a ogryn to help with the deamon host, i just need two people to run interference any takers?

[grand arrow]

what are you doing to the demon host?

[cold geode]

psyker penace

[grand arrow]

oh

[crude cape]

you know what im shocked at, that no one has made a mod that reduces the visual obscuring on the flamer/purgatus staff

people complaing about it a lot, maybe it cant be changed?

i saw a mod that made one of the ogryns guns shoot lasers, just as a visual and audio thing for fun

so you would think they could change the flame animations, but who knows

[cyan notch]

catfish said theyre toning down soulblaze stuff next week

[crude cape]

that would be nice

i mean it LOOKS cool

but when im using purgatus staff, sometimes i cant even see shit

i ended up downloading health bar mod and turning it on for all enemies even the little guys

so i can see when things are dying

bc sometimes i wont even know the guys are dead bc i cant see them lmao

then get smacked in the back when i could of let go of the flame earlier, etc

[lucid olive]

slaughterer+deflector or slaugtherer+unstable?

[obtuse moth]

personal preference, i prefer unstable power on illisi

[sinful charm]

is power cycler still worth?

[obtuse moth]

yes

[rare furnace]

Great illisi when lol although it’s super big cleave on it’s own

[graceful eagle]

thanks Melk

[obtuse moth]

its not for cleave, its just for heavy target damage and more actually for soulblaze burning damage with ascendant blaze, gl on your rolls!

[magic burrow]

those perks suck, but otherwise that's a very nice roll

oh wait, nevermind. I though that was a purgatus for some reason

[graceful eagle]

what is bis perks for surge

[devout sentinel]

thoughts on this? low on resources to reroll the carapace perk right now

[magic burrow]

Id reroll carapace to flak.

[devout sentinel]

yeah working on that. low on plasteel like usual lol

[graceful eagle]

i would look for more damage and stopping power, blaze away and pinned fire for blessings
but its good for start

[devout sentinel]

yeah this is the first decent shredder I've seen so far

[long wharf]

I have two Illisi, one with slaughterer+unstable, one with slaughterer+deflection

They kill the horde about the same

[vestal raven]

slaughter moment

[stable silo]

what one u guys think

[obtuse moth]

i think you need slaughterer no matter what

[cyan notch]

right one

[tropic vigil]

how important is first target?

[leaden thunder]

very important generally

[viral dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735819155608961044/1101903589426868384/SnapTik.biz-Surprise_Blue_Lobster.mp4

[long wharf]

why did you post that?

[tropic vigil]

so mobility would be the dump stat then and finesse important right?

[cyan notch]

yea

u can drop some mob and warp res

[tropic vigil]

ok

thats what i figured. i want to replace my current sword in order to get better blessings but i dont think i can get better base stats

[digital loom]

well

blaze trauma is good and all, but i'm going back to my big damage trauma

because it also makes my deimos spicy as well

with rending shockwave/focused channeling

[neat sand]

that makes me wish they would add dual wield to the game XD, id take sword 2 and swap deflector for Bloodthirsty so you can 1 shot muties 🙂

[digital loom]

nope, nope i take it back

blaze staff is better than this even if i have to trade damage

void blaze is interesting but it lacks the cc

[hexed ether]

guessing barrage is rip and unarmoured is prolly meh but still happy

[ornate hamlet]

I pair the sword with a shock staff

[strange canyon]

best blessings for Voidstrike pls?

do you critchance and surge?

[leaden thunder]

warp flurry and transfer peril

crit + surge is a bit disapointing rn

afaik

[strange canyon]

shame, seems funny

[hexed ether]

yes

[stable silo]

is terrifying barrage ever usefull on purge staff ?

[leaden thunder]

it is generally not super useful

for anything that can roll it

[stable silo]

i know rofl i got a tier 4 blessing from emp

[leaden thunder]

emps be trollin sometimes

[hexed ether]

smh whenever i uograde an purg i get it

[stable silo]

but a tier 3 warp nexus on it as well which my current staff has

[vagrant cedar]

have they finally released the red 100% power items?

[leaden thunder]

no

[vagrant cedar]

jesus

[dawn crypt]

Whats ideal perk blessings for Illisi ?

[stable silo]

flak/maniac

slaught/delf (or unstable)

[dawn crypt]

deflect range or uncanny ?

[stable silo]

deflector

[dawn crypt]

whats unstable again?

[stable silo]

unstable power increases power per peril breakpoint maxing out at 80+ peril

[dawn crypt]

ahh

and whats the dump stat mobility?

or warp resist

[stable silo]

warp res

this is my baby to bad warp res and first target werent swapped

[dawn crypt]

i have this

and this

[stable silo]

reroll uncanny to deflector or unstable power depending on your preference deflector is safer

[dawn crypt]

ya i guess i can always switch it. cuz slaughter is the safe keeper. not like im replacing uncanny 4

that way i ll mess around with deflector and unstable

[late yew]

I HOPE YOU ARE PLEASED, VARLET

[late yew]

is there any point in unstable though

like it already kills horde with just slat

[kind jay]

you could also just keep it as is and wait for slaughter 4

[late yew]

in a million years may be

[dawn crypt]

yes another viable option

[kind jay]

maybe maybe

[dawn crypt]

ya this thing melts through horde ez

[digital loom]

i think i made my psyker too short to play the class properly

[ornate hamlet]

I have mine as the lowest height

[kind jay]

same

haven't felt any hindrance in particular

[hexed ether]

new staff so i replace terrifying with flurry right? and im guessing maniacs with crit?

[hexed ether]

still stand true tho

[chrome kiln]

Exactly

[late yew]

I just witnessed psyker clearing huge horde by self-explosion 😄

[torn hamlet]

This worth picking up for a starting void staff?

[fierce sinew]

you're not buying that for the blessing or perks, and stats are the one thing you can bruteforce with dockets

I wouldn't

[torn hamlet]

ok thanks. What perks do I want on a void staff?

and blessings for that matter

[fierce sinew]

flurry + (higher tier)transfer for blessing, flak and then usually unarmored for perks

the perks on the above are awkward because you can't reroll for t4 flak without locking carapace

[torn hamlet]

ok yea didnt know what perks

il hold off for now

im trying to get a good surge staff

[fierce sinew]

people like some other things in the second perk slot depending on what they care about and the stat rolls

[torn hamlet]

Should I upgrade to t4? Is this staff decent?

What is the dump stat on surge and what are the perks I want?

I know the blessings I want

[kind jay]

if you don't have a surge, then upgrade it

otherwise just eat the blessing

[torn hamlet]

This is my first surge I am crafting

[kind jay]

go for it then

[torn hamlet]

ok sweet

lol got run and gun

rip

might craft some others to try and get the faster cast speed one

[kind jay]

at least you have a t3 harness for later

[torn hamlet]

true

what perk should i reroll?

What perks am I looking for on surge

[kind jay]

8% to flak

[fierce sinew]

^

[torn hamlet]

ok so just the typical flak and maniac?

eh i got 5% crit might keep it for now

[fierce sinew]

flak is the mandatory one, you have room to play with the second one

are you not using the reroll mod?

[kind jay]

flak and whatever you want. they're actually mostly all good. maniac or crit are best

[torn hamlet]

nah i dont have any mods yet

il just go for flak then

[fierce sinew]

stop clicking manually and install at least that one

[torn hamlet]

I want score board one so i can see how hard i am getting carried XD

[fierce sinew]

stop what you're doing and do that and you'll have t4 flak sooner than if you sit and click for it

[torn hamlet]

i got it haha

got kind of lucky though

[fierce sinew]

playing without reroll mod is the actual abyss I don't know how I ever did it

[kind jay]

yeah youre gonna want the reroll mod minimum. don't get carpal from fatsharks bad game design

[torn hamlet]

but yea il get that mod at some point

rofl

[fierce sinew]

there's tons of great stuff but that one specifically is mandatory

I feel

[torn hamlet]

fair enough I have not felt the need for it

only takes a few minutes tops to get the blessing

[fierce sinew]

how many hours in the game total?

[torn hamlet]

i mean perk

but maybe i am just lucky

i think like 130 now or something

[fierce sinew]

hadron just hasn't ground away the remains of your sanity yet

[torn hamlet]

hahaha yea its getting there

specifically with trying to craft good weapons

the rerolling the perk is the least terrible part of the crafting system for me

[fierce sinew]

are you settling for t3?

[torn hamlet]

sometimes

yea

[fierce sinew]

if you sit down and resolve to roll until you get the thing you actually want without the mod you're either a psychopath or actually the most mentally unbreakable zen motherfucker in the game

the last sword I rolled 470? attempts for t4 maniac

[torn hamlet]

hahaha fair enough

oh god yea

[fierce sinew]

aint nobody got time for that

by hand

[torn hamlet]

i just settle for t3 if I dont get it in like 20 -30 rolls

is 5% damage that big a deal?

[fierce sinew]

"big deal" is pretty hard to quantify precisely, but because of how breakpoints are and how variable our buffs are (peril always going up and down, charges, etc) it does make the difference a nonzero amount of the time

[torn hamlet]

yea fair enough

guess its not that hard to get t4 with the mod

il definitely get it when I am going for the god roll weapons

[fierce sinew]

exactly, the mod functionally buffs your damage because correct t4 perks are feasible to roll for

[torn hamlet]

now i am just trying to get something good enough to do damnation and have fun without feeding too much

God rolls are nice and all but feel largely unnecessary for most content besides maybe hi5 shock gauntlet

which I dont do a lot of

[fierce sinew]

they're never strictly speaking "necessary" to clear, you can always outplay bad gear or builds

[torn hamlet]

yea exactly

[fierce sinew]

you just make your own life and those of your team easier

[torn hamlet]

I often use sub optimal stuff just for fun

[fierce sinew]

when you're geared better

[torn hamlet]

yea true

[stable silo]

@late yew its fine for hordes but unstable power gives it more dmg vs elites to help kill em a bit quicker if your in the thick of things some people dislike deflector stating that its pointless if you position right and utilize your toughness some people swear by it due to psykers be squishy its personal preference and the weapon wont really suffer that much either way

[torn hamlet]

i mean I dont feel like I am every dragging the team down with my build

[stable silo]

theo just do it

i was scared back in the day

[torn hamlet]

well thats not true. When I play thunder hammer I do also combat knife

[stable silo]

the generally harder jump is malice - heresy due to raw id:browse

woah

[fierce sinew]

worst case they call you slurs, threaten your family and votekick you

[stable silo]

raw numbers *** i tried to do the number sign rofl

[fierce sinew]

it's a videogame

you'll be fine

[stable silo]

think of it like a hot bath its warm at first then you get used to the temp

[torn hamlet]

Well to be honest I am typically the one carrying my team especially on heresy

[stable silo]

now malice is a joke heresy is easy and damnation is fun

[torn hamlet]

Like I am not a god gamer but man people in heresy are so bad it seams

constantly going down and out of position

[stable silo]

also damnation generally have better players in my experience

[fierce sinew]

yeah if you're at the point of even thinking about whether what you're doing is actually good you're already miles ahead of most of the playerbase

[torn hamlet]

Oh yea I clear more on damnation that I do on heresy I think

[fierce sinew]

the average level of play in this game is so dogshit compared to ever other hobby I have I'm actually impressed

[torn hamlet]

only recently started playing damnation also

[fierce sinew]

if you care even a little you're probably carrying

[stable silo]

im still rocking dmantion on my zealot with a tier 1 rampage heavy sword

[torn hamlet]

so I know I have a lot I can improve on but I feel like I am pulling my own weight and maybe even carrying a bit at times

[stable silo]

to be fair its amazing at literally every other stat but still its a sore point

[torn hamlet]

oh man yea that sounds rough

heavy sword zealot is my main

[stable silo]

haha wanna see the cursed sword

oooh

i gota show you

[torn hamlet]

and I have a pretty close to god rolled one

[stable silo]

fear its heresy the cursed sword

[torn hamlet]

oof

i mean its perfect in every other way

[stable silo]

and before you ask i rolled double tier 1 perks

exactly its sooo good but goddamit

[torn hamlet]

that is so sad

[stable silo]

im banking on them lifting locks even though i dont want them to i acknowledge it as a possibility

[torn hamlet]

although rampage is not the most important perk so its fine honestly

you got flak and maniac which is nice

mine has infested on it lol

[ember hornet]

rampage makes IX with headtaker go from 175% to 260%, but it's not a requirement

[stable silo]

it gets work done in damnation but im still mad at it

[torn hamlet]

I eat poswalkers for breakfast

[stable silo]

so good but every time i look at it

[torn hamlet]

yea its just one of those things where its just always going to annoy you when you see it

[ember hornet]

I'm still mad about having T2 maniac on my hammer but I'm never gonna roll a better one so alas

[stable silo]

haha i think i saw your hammer back a while

[torn hamlet]

that is not as bad in my opinion

[stable silo]

its glorious except for that tier 2

[lunar hollow]

all the great thammers have 1 shitty stat

[lunar hollow]

crying over my 12% defences

[stable silo]

ya thats the one

[torn hamlet]

damn

[stable silo]

so perfect yet not aaaaaaaa

[torn hamlet]

yea that is honestly just funny

[ember hornet]

yeah it is

[torn hamlet]

i doubt it affects the performance of the hammer at all

[ember hornet]

not really, T2 maniac is enough for the convenience breakpoints

[torn hamlet]

yea that is what I figured

still it does not look as pretty lol

[ember hornet]

it just makes me pissed that T2 perks exist at all

or perk tiers for that matter

[torn hamlet]

right lol

so how do you guys typically go for god rolls?

you just hope to get t4 on the first to refins?

and then restarts

[late yew]

Does trauma deal more damage to bon than bb?

[torn hamlet]

or do you upgrade all the way and hope for two good t4s on the things you want

[stable silo]

well in vermintide it was similar but red weapons existed to help the RNG process

[ember hornet]

post crafting patch I spent about 7-8m ordos buying hammers from brunts and rolling until I got great base stats, upgrade to orange and hope for t4 slaughterer

[stable silo]

you could theoretically get god roll orange items but the safer bet was farming for reds which were top tier stuff always

[fierce sinew]

depends on the weapon but if it gets to purple without t4 it's trash to me

[torn hamlet]

hmm thats fair

[ember hornet]

wow also very nice

[devout belfry]

Wish I could give it better horde clear.

[fierce sinew]

you can roll the orange for blessing gamba or keep good stat rolls in case they let us unlock in future, doesn't cost anything but inventory space to wait

[torn hamlet]

I just cant really find t4 blessings in general

melks never got shit

[ember hornet]

you should always upgrade to orange if you are spending ordos getting god rolls from brunts

[devout belfry]

Generally only 500+ items in the shop have one.

[spice veldt]

I forget the exact numbers, but It does deal more DPS because bon takes 2x explosion dmg and casts faster than BB

[fierce sinew]

the melk grind strat is to level 5 of the same class to quintuple your daily rolls

[torn hamlet]

whole shit does anyone actually do that?

[ember hornet]

this is why I bring fire shotty to soften horde or horde clear as needed

[torn hamlet]

right now I have level 30 everyone but ogryn because I like to play different classes

[spice veldt]

BB seems to have gotten a ninja buff against bonbons though since it now deals 770 base dmg to them instead of the old 550

[ember hornet]

I've seen screenshots of it

[torn hamlet]

I literally just hit 30 on psyker yesterday

[fierce sinew]

I know myself and blooddrunk did, that's just of the people here

probably more

[torn hamlet]

And just realized psyker is by far my favorite class even though he was the last one for me to try

Dang so do you only play like one class then?

[fierce sinew]

my alts got my probably 70% of my t4 blessing catalog

yes

[torn hamlet]

yikes you are missing out man

[fierce sinew]

I played a bit of the others before they changed the blessings

[torn hamlet]

the only thing that keeps me playing this game is hopping around between the different classes to keep it fresh

[elfin crystal]

humm yes. i'll take that

[fierce sinew]

the others died in the name of optimization

[torn hamlet]

hahaha well if that works for you i guess

I have played this game quite a bit less probably than you though

[ember hornet]

I made a psyker and ogryn but they are nowhere near as fun as hammer + kant shotty zealot

it was funny to meme with illisi for a while

but that got a hit boring for me

[devout belfry]

I always bring the shredder now.

[ember hornet]

that works too of course

[fierce sinew]

I'm not sure what scarce resource is being conserved by the 5 character limit, maybe in future that changes and I remake the others

[devout belfry]

I just wish I could change voices. It adds a lot of replayability just hearing the rarer ones.

[ember hornet]

fire shotgun let's you do 2 shot daemonhost tech with martyrdom stacks which is kind of funny

[fierce sinew]

I initially planned to do other voices but it just happens that male loner is the only psyker VA that actually tried

[devout belfry]

How does the shotty help with that? Also I think mine three shots raw anyways.

[fierce sinew]

the rest simply don't compare imo

[ember hornet]

apply burn stacks to poxwalkers for slaughterer

so you have max slaughterer the whole time

[devout belfry]

Ah the buff renewal bug?

[late yew]

... but you still need to farm milk coins?

[ember hornet]

dots effect like all the blessings

so yeah if a dot kills when you have hammer out, slaughterer

[devout belfry]

That dot feels very tiny imo

[lunar hollow]

you can also use thrust-cancelling to strengthen DOT damage

which is funny

[ember hornet]

you just need to shoot twice and it'll kill poxwalkers with burn

fast enough

[fierce sinew]

no, you just check daily in the browser extension and if they have something worthwhile you login, roll weeklies, do them and buy it

[lunar hollow]

1-3 shots into horde, thrust-cancel thammer, rack up slaughterer, shoot 1 shot into remaining horde and continue switching

if you do it fast enough you can stay on max slaughterer sacks

[fierce sinew]

you only get punished if a particular alt rolls multiple good items at melk per week, which the kind of problem I'll live with if I start having (hasn't happened yet)

[late yew]

LOL

Good rolls?

At Milky?

lmao

[ember hornet]

I think my 4 top psyker weapons in melk right now are lasguns

followed by an autogun

[stable silo]

just be a sword only deimos psyker its amusing

[ember sentinel]

i dont think ive ever gotten a good weapon from melk as pysker

too much stuff i just dont use

[torn hamlet]

what t3 blessing do you run for a BB build?

[ember sentinel]

on what

like

feat?

[torn hamlet]

sorry i meant feat

honestly just all the feats on the psyker seem good

[ember sentinel]

i use communion

[torn hamlet]

its hard to use

[ember sentinel]

helps to keep 6 warp charges up

[torn hamlet]

for BB build?

[ember sentinel]

although if you plan on BBing a lot then probably aura

so you can get barrage off more

[torn hamlet]

even though you are spamming BB you dont keep them up?

yea I was thinking either 2 or 3

both seem good

one lets me ult more and get the fast BB the other just boosts the damage more

[ember sentinel]

yeah id run aura

[torn hamlet]

yea it doest seem nice

the faster BB is so nice honestly

also more CC with getting to cast ult more

[ember sentinel]

ive never used lacerations personally idk how good it is, seems like it would only be good for monstrosities

[torn hamlet]

well you cant kill a lot of enemies with one BB so it helps with anything you cant one shot

mutants and all the ogryns

[ember sentinel]

it does but with crushers you can get 2 BBs off easily given the build your going for

[ornate hamlet]

The laceration breakpoints are kind of not really good compared to the alternatives

[ember sentinel]

it could be decent against mutants but we can also just deimos them

[ornate hamlet]

I tried it out in the psykhanium and my reaction was largely "meh"

[lucid olive]

Having 6 charges and being TO THE LIMIT can two shot crushers iirc

[torn hamlet]

i mean it lets you kill ogryns with two casts instead of 3 assuming you have other damage buffs up

[ember sentinel]

correct

with 6 charges you will 2 shot them

[ornate hamlet]

With warp battery and warp unleashed, what you don't kill with 2 hits is one sneeze from dying

[torn hamlet]

above 50% peril and high warp charges

[ember sentinel]

yeah unleashed + WB is pretty insane

[torn hamlet]

yea i am running both those for sure

but what about the t3 feat?

2 or 3?

is lacerations worth it or just faster cooldown on ult

im leaning towards the aura

[ornate hamlet]

I like communion because I hate charge management

The aura shaves off 5 seconds from your ult each time you kill an elite

Well, you or someone near you

[ember sentinel]

Aura is probably the play if you are spamming BB

[torn hamlet]

hmm yea il try both in an actual game

[ornate hamlet]

For the effects on other people, I don't really care about that because no one makes a build like "golly gee, I'll get randomly matched with a psyker running the cohrency cooldown", so the cooldown is for you

It's really good if you don't mind the charge management without communion

[ember sentinel]

yeah vets are always in volley fire anyway

[torn hamlet]

Yea true but it could help out your team a bit from time to time

mostly ogryns and zealots

or even other psykers

does it stack?

[ember sentinel]

probably

if you just mean you could get 2 cooldown reductions

[torn hamlet]

honestly why are all the feats on psyker so good!!!

I like the zealot where there is really only like one good choice in each row so it makes it easy to choose haha

[ember sentinel]

well mind in motion exists lol

[torn hamlet]

But psyker seems like there are so many different strong builds

[tired estuary]

I mean tbf this is after multiple buffs/changes to psyker feats

[torn hamlet]

Yea I fee like the zealot needs some love

[ember sentinel]

yeah W&R was useless for a while

wildfire too

although W&R is still not great

mostly because its competing with WU

[tired estuary]

Zealot just needs the same treatment, nobody is seriously running martyrdom builds

[torn hamlet]

He was my first character and after leveling a psyker and vet to 30 I can say zealot feels much weaker compared to these other two

[ember sentinel]

yeah theyve kind of got one build

its good

but theres one

[torn hamlet]

yea that is how I feel. I only change like one or two feats if I happen to be running high crit but even then it does not affect playstyle at all like psyker

[tired estuary]

Crit build is still fine and you've got a choice between twbs and revenant but thats it lol

[torn hamlet]

psyker is by far the most fun I have had in this game honestly

[ember sentinel]

oh yeah i forgot about crit build

[torn hamlet]

but there are not great crit weapons

combat knife and tac axe are so meh compared to heavy sword antax and thammer

[ember sentinel]

Hsword and antax kind of in a league of there own

[torn hamlet]

question, what is generally the best t1 feat for psyker?

[torn hamlet]

Yea those are what I run on my zealot

[ember sentinel]

prob quietetude cause it pairs so well with illsi

and staffs

[torn hamlet]

is that both active and passive quelling?

like if I just let it quell on its own or from passive do I still get the toughness?

[ember sentinel]

im not sure actually

[torn hamlet]

hmm i might need to test

[ember sentinel]

ive never payed attention to it on passive

[torn hamlet]

if its only active quelling not sure it would be good

[ember sentinel]

[torn hamlet]

you dont get a chance to actively quell when yo are getting swarmed and need that toughness back

[ember hornet]

pretty sure it's all quell

[ember sentinel]

tbh illisi is good enough at dealing with being swarmed yo get toughness back from just killing the horde anyway

deimos too if you get slaughterer

[torn hamlet]

if that is true it seems like it would by far outclass the other two options

[torn hamlet]

yea good point I do whip out my illisi a lot

any good gun psyker builds that are not shredder?

[ember sentinel]

i use mk 12 and its fine just due to the gun being so good and not using much ammo

you might be able to make higher fire rate autoguns work and run kinetic flayer

but would need to grab ammo

[torn hamlet]

which one is mk12?

[ember sentinel]

slow fire rate one

[torn hamlet]

is that the lazgun

[ember sentinel]

yeah lasgun

the semi auto

you probably see vets with it a lot

[torn hamlet]

ah so you wouldnt be running the brainbust on hit then

[ember sentinel]

nah not reall y

you could

but with 6 warp charges you do pretty insane damage

but youd need to manage the charges

[torn hamlet]

yea true I would probably just run the communion

[ember sentinel]

yeah thats what i do

[torn hamlet]

seems fun

[ember sentinel]

you might be able to try the LA lasgun

cause of the higher fire rate

[torn hamlet]

but il stick with the staves for now and maybe later try some gun builds

[ember sentinel]

but youd need to manage ammo

[torn hamlet]

yea but those guns are so bad

i hope the infernus blessing gets buffed

[ember sentinel]

someone here uses the recon lasgun and makes it work but idk how good it actually is

would def trigger flayer

[torn hamlet]

I really hope they buff a lot of the pointless blessings in this next patch instead of nerfing the good stuff

[ember sentinel]

id kinda prefer they did both

at least for stuff like pinning fire/slaughterer

where its just clearly too good

i dont think much needs nerfs

but pinning fire is a little insane

[torn hamlet]

i mean why nerf stuff when you can buff other things to be on par with the strong stuff and give players the freedom to choose and play the way they want

I hate the whole nerfing mentality in pve games

[ember sentinel]

becasue you get power creep

we at least need a difficulty 6

[torn hamlet]

not really

[ember sentinel]

if you wanna make everything the auto pistol

[torn hamlet]

only if you constantly are adding new stuff to the game that is stronger than the old stuff

and then buff the old stuff to keep up with the new stuff

but its not hard to just buff useless stuff to be in line with the strong stuff and give players freedom of choice

but yea if something is just too overpowered it makes sense

[ember sentinel]

yeah thats what im saying

[torn hamlet]

but maybe just nerf it a little rather gutting it and making it worthless

[ember sentinel]

i think auto pistol and pinning fire is pretty op

[torn hamlet]

yea maybe a little but if they do nerf it should really only be a tiny one

[ember sentinel]

even slaughterer on illsi feels like cheating

they dont need to butcher it

just dont make it solo damnation

[torn hamlet]

the weapon has a lot of drawbacks that make it not as good as other options

yea i mean a slight nerf would be ok but honestly the weapon feels fun and amazing to use

not sure that could still be said if they nerf

[ember sentinel]

i agree everything being ideal would be ideal i just dont want the difficulty to leave

[torn hamlet]

and that ultimately hurts the game more than it helps

In general I prefer the buffing strat in pve games and then continuing to release harder content

like lets get t6 difficutly

[ember sentinel]

yeah i want t6 difficulty

[torn hamlet]

to keep up with all the awesome buffs

like that makes the game fun

[ember sentinel]

i like playing with others and communicating but its not necessary rn

[torn hamlet]

that has always been the best approach for pve games

[ember sentinel]

you just clear everything no issues

[torn hamlet]

yea true i mean regular damnation is not that bad

with a good build it feels like the normal difficulty

[ember sentinel]

shock troop is good

[torn hamlet]

yea that one is challenging for sure

[civic jungle]

Hmm, idk, it's 50% toughness on a full quell vs 10% per enemy with staves vs 30% per warp charge, with trauma and void you can easily get more toughness with kills

[torn hamlet]

when it comes to nerfs though I think people just need to realize this is not a competative game. Its a for fun pve game so big nerfs just dont make sense. Players want to feel op. Its what makes the game fun. Just add some higher level content to still challenge the op stuff

[ember sentinel]

i dont mind feeling OP so long as im not actually OP

[torn hamlet]

yea that is what I have been running

[civic jungle]

And for flame builds it's ~30% per ~7 kills if you have both passives

[torn hamlet]

but you have to constantly killing stuff

[civic jungle]

If you aren't killing what are you fighting tho

[torn hamlet]

yea that is the fine line to walk. And big nerfs kill the power fantasy for most players and makes them want to quite

[ember hornet]

if you want to be OP play a lower difficulty

[torn hamlet]

so if you do nerf things they need to be small and you need to bring more buffs to weaker things to justify nerfs

[ember hornet]

buffing everything to illisi tier would be awful for the health of the game

[civic jungle]

I think it would be nice if slaughterer wasn't+75% at full power while more difficult to proc blessings cap at +25% power

[ember sentinel]

yeah my issue with illsi is slaughterer

[torn hamlet]

Yea I am not saying that. What I am saying though is that if they do nerf the illisi. I hope they buff the dueling swords to make them feel very strong and fun as an example.

[civic jungle]

Like, 15% per kill vs 5% for elite kill 🤔

[ember sentinel]

id prefer they nerf the OP blessings and then see if those weapons with the blessings are as goo d

nerfing the blessings and the weapon itself would probably be too much

[civic jungle]

5% for repeated weak spot hit

[ember hornet]

there are some weapons that are reliant on those blessings to be good

[torn hamlet]

hmm yea that is true

[ember sentinel]

but slaughterer is just better than like 8 other variations of it