Nah, it never was really a problem since you can just spam push attack and perma stagger trash or do push attack light light repeat which is totally safe
#psyker-class
near wyvern
long wharf
yeah that's fine, what was really nerfed was the psyker block tanking
long wharf
sad day, but yeah
long wharf
doesn't make sense for a psyker to just block everything forever
near wyvern
But at least it's not as brain dead
near wyvern
Rashad is the new antax for others than zealots now that they fixed it
near wyvern
It's like antax but trades cleave for finesse
near wyvern
So you get less cleave targets (or damage, don't remember) but faster swings and more weakspot damage
Brutal momentum on it as usual and there you have cleave
But at the current state of the game there really are two options for Psyker if you are serious about melee. That's Illisi and Deimos.
long wharf
yep
I'm hoping FartShart cleans up the weapon pools
psyker doesn't need chainswords
long wharf
nor recon lasguns
spice oar
DAEMONHAMMER
long wharf
I'm okay with shotguns being vet and zealot weapons
steel flame
I still like knifes on pskyer.
long wharf
the psyker has just too many weapon options
near wyvern
It's an illusion of choice
long wharf
get rid of all the rifles from the psyker
spice veldt
it certainly dilutes our pool of force weapons
near wyvern
Many are just bad
long wharf
it's not an illusion of choice at all
steel flame
the psyker has just too many weapon options
Don't let the ogryns hear you say that
near wyvern
Don't you dare touch my pew pew MG IV
long wharf
I don't think psyker should get any two-handed guns
spice oar
wouldnt mind most guns if they let us have a feat that, idk gives us warp infused bullets or special properties?
some flavour
near wyvern
long wharf
that's what a gun psyker subclass would be for
spice oar
that's what a gun psyker subclass would be for
which we will probably see in 2025
if fs keeps up with their pace of content
orchid nest
I agree with Pfhoenix here. like it's too late now obviously but the psyker pool should have just been way more restricted to actual psyker shit with more force swords and staves available at launch
long wharf
I think ogryn or vet will get the first subclass
near wyvern
So what's the speciality of Psykinetic? The Devs couldn't make up their mind and gave just some random feats?
spice oar
I agree with Pfhoenix here. like it's too late now obviously but the psyker pool...
exactly
long wharf
all the staves should be mk variations of a single staff base weapon
it's so stupid having 4 staves that can't share blessings
spice oar
I think ogryn or vet will get the first subclass
o fuck, been thinking first set of subclasses would release in bulk for each of us, but 1 at a time is probably more realistic...
long wharf
are we going to get variations for each staff type?
near wyvern
Make all staves have the same blessing pool pls
spice veldt
probably
near wyvern
Asking for a friend with surge
spice veldt
since the staffs seem to belong to different families
if we're going off the rule where families are indicated by the latter part of a weapon's name
spice oar
are we going to get variations for each staff type?
i hope by variations it wont be "purgatus but cone of fire is different :D" and more like "fireball"
drowsy slate
Surge staff with surge blessing 🥰
near wyvern
if we're going off the rule where families are indicated by the latter part of a...
Well it seems the first part has to do with they flavour of the weapon and the last part is the weapon family.
Like "Agripinaa" seems to come with slow fire rate heavy hitting things.
long wharf
Surge staff with surge blessing 🥰
surge staff with blazing spirit
drowsy slate
No surge with surge and more crit
long wharf
I wanna light shit on fire with lightning
near wyvern
Surge with spirit harness
drowsy slate
So you have around 50% crit or something
long wharf
the surge blessing doesn't give you more crit
long wharf
yes, but the surge staff's damage isn't great
spice veldt
another thing is that the crit damage multipliers on the surge's secondary aren't amazing
drowsy slate
🤷
spice veldt
LMB crits are nice though
long wharf
maybe if FartShart unfucked the primary/secondary damage nonsense for surge staff
drowsy slate
You can play Maschine gun surge staff then with cancel Makro lamb 😂
long wharf
yeah, you have to really lean into hurting flak for surge to be decent at it
orchid nest
the lmb is actually pretty good though on surge. the crits do work. way underused by most surge users. it's actually pretty high dps against a lot of things with the stave quell cancel too which is kind of funny is still a thing to me they haven't fixed
long wharf
which I think needs to be changed
surge staff needs to do its full damage to every enemy it hits
spice oar
maybe if FartShart unfucked the primary/secondary damage nonsense for surge staf...
i agree theres no point in the reduction
long wharf
and it needs to be not worthless against dreg/unarmored
long wharf
it's like someone at FartShart thought "uh oh, surge can auto-target up to 6 enemies! better make it only do real damage to 2"
meanwhile purge and void users are laughing maniacally
spice oar
meanwhile purge and void users are laughing maniacally
literally, the savant does that
long wharf
the damage to primary armored targets is actually decent
orchid nest
you would think that damage reduction would be the balancing factor to it doing full damage against everything like it current does to flak at the very least, but instead it's just there ontop of it
long wharf
that's why I have +flak on my staff and I run Warp Unleashed with it
drowsy slate
Would love to see more staffs and tbh also buffs to existing staffs. Play my psyker with lasgun since I found a decent one and tried it
It’s like: hey you can play with a staff and be good against a few enemy’s or agains most but on really short range. Or you play lasgun and use your BB on. Crushers…
spice oar
this comm link tmrw better be good cause morals lower than an IG regiment fighting Slaanesh
drowsy slate
Tbh for me it’s a make or break because Diablo 4 is on the horizon
Better get going befor start of june…
rich rose
Psyker needs a fire subclass, light the world on FIRE
drowsy slate
I am a bit afraid that we just get some penances and skins 😂
spice oar
if they even TEASE the Daemon hammer i will forever play this game
or a new and i mean NEW force staff
coarse dagger
so close to greatness
spice oar
coarse dagger
orchid nest
prob get like beam or coruscation staff next with soulblaze tacked on
coarse dagger
spice oar
coarse dagger
spice oar
https://tenor.com/view/bad-boy-nice-guy-turn-from-nice-guy-to-slightly-bad-boy-s...
ogryns when they get only 1 pile of corpse starch instead of 2
leaden thunder
gloomy yarrow
Beam probably fits dt more
leaden thunder
lightning beam
leaden thunder
need more lightning
spice oar
gloomy yarrow
Also it’s a chance to make beam staff from something other than contagious depression
orchid nest
yeah probably. they need to review all the current ones first before they even go there though. give them all unique left clicks and make the special do something at all. like the las pistol force push at the very least.
gloomy yarrow
Also I’d wait to see if sienna’s 4th comes out first
spice oar
yeah probably. they need to review all the current ones first before they even g...
if they did that i dont think id even need a new staff tbh
gloomy yarrow
Or maybe kerrilians sott staff
spice oar
like surge but cool as shit thunder bolt from hand as primary?
gloomy yarrow
Probably
spice oar
or void but its a rapid burst of smaller orbs
orchid nest
yeah exactly
spice oar
get us on that team
gloomy yarrow
Also if protectorate psyker comes out kerrilians staff would be awesome
spice oar
we will make the game ourselves 
gloomy yarrow
I want to use the force like star war
spice oar
Also if protectorate psyker comes out kerrilians staff would be awesome
kinda hoping for those throwing knifes with warp attacks
gloomy yarrow
Oh shit yeah
leaden thunder
that + force greatsword
gloomy yarrow
Force axe
spice oar
force anything but another sword we have enough
gloomy yarrow
2 handed chain axe
leaden thunder
PLEASE
spice oar
if they add another but its curved or something ill cry
gloomy yarrow
Another catechan toothpick
spice oar
again all these are cool but DAEMONHAMMER
gloomy yarrow
No idea what that is but it sounds heretical
leaden thunder
it hammers daemons
spice oar
FORCE HAMMER BUT COOLER
orchid nest
it would be cool if there was synergistic stuff between them. like trauma left click channeled vacuum, or surge staff left click lightning bolt having a stronger effect when used on a stunned target and coming out quickly. shit like that
leaden thunder
not the other way around
spice oar
No idea what that is but it sounds heretical
specifically used to clobber daemons, but could just like, give it to us
we did kill a beast of nurgle. thats a daemon
spice oar
it would be cool if there was synergistic stuff between them. like trauma left c...
gang we need you in the FS hq
gloomy yarrow
FORCE HAMMER BUT COOLER
Oh shit get that and accidentally turn a support career into a dps god like they did with sott
spice oar
this and instead of power cycler on power sword being o 1 or 2 more swings into a timed blocks= next attack powered
would make gameplay, idk, more fun?
gloomy yarrow
I’d like a charge meter on power swords that need to recharge like heat weapons in vt2
And power cycled could reduce the cooldown on non charged kills
spice oar
true bit fucked its essentially a limitless Illisis sword
even we have to cool down sometime
gloomy yarrow
Yeah
spice oar
ideal change is making weapons more unique. and of course making content
gloomy yarrow
Please Fatshark if you’re reading you should do that to the power sword family
Also maybe changing the swing anim on charge to be single target on mk4
leaden thunder
what they need to do to the power swords is make them look active at all times
spice oar
what they need to do to the power swords is make them look active at all times
nah that would ruin the cool factor of "activating" the sword
think about it
leaden thunder
make the active a suepr charge
with spicy effects
I am not even joking when I say that if they made the power sword look active at all times in the same patch they nerfed it people would't have gotten nearly as pissy
spice veldt
probably
people seem to rate the performance of a weapon based on how it "looks" like it performs
case in point--combat axe push-attacks
leaden thunder
why do you think so many zealots think the evis is really good
(or at least used to)
I remember someone saying "the power-up mode is so strong people think the regular attacks suck"
early on
leaden thunder
power sword
spice veldt
it does feel sad whenever I use normal attacks on illisi compared to its special
though when you actually crunch the numbers, the normal attacks don't fall that far behind especially when you account for attack speed
gloomy yarrow
Tfw bloodthirsty nerf
gloomy yarrow
I got t1 last week after for tucking ever of buying swords
gloomy yarrow
Trauma staff being the best once again
spice oar
yeah the versatility of stop a dude. dont kill a dude. tickle people
gloomy yarrow
Worst part is this wasn’t written like 4 months ago when surge was the meta™️
Now all staves are at least viable
spice veldt
I'd still pick a 50% peril trauma staff over surge and without our current quell buffs
though that was a time before hishock
lethal folio
I'm trying to get a good trauma staff that has enough resist/vent to consistently do a 2tick vent full charge from 100%.
olive ember
Idk this guy can’t argue my points and starts saying I’m bad at melee
Like bruh I literally melee only for like 80% of my games
Cuz illisi is broke as shit
spice veldt
so it's not even the surge that's doing the legwork by their admission?
gloomy yarrow
You need sum purgatus
gloomy yarrow
Classic Reddit
spice veldt
if you could control the targeting of surge, then I would agree
but we unfortunately do not live in such a world 😔
gloomy yarrow
You kinda can
olive ember
gloomy yarrow
If you can see the nearly invisible particles around its primary target
olive ember
@spice veldt if you wanna see the 10/10 argument for yourself
spice veldt
though even if they were more visible, it's not really control since you can't designate 5+ specific targets each time if other enemies are mixed here and there
olive ember
All I’m saying is that the surge staff isn’t good for carrying or clutching
And this guy is defending it with his life
Like bruh
steel flame
It's good for babysitting but it sure as shit won't carry an entire team
I'll take trauma for a carry anyday
Lightning is better at Trying to keep shit from hitting the fan but once it does id rather have any other staff
gloomy yarrow
Purg still destroys
olive ember
I mean it’s meta
Tbh every staff is meta
Just that surge is generally the weakest cuz it lacks versatility and killing power
It’s niche is stunlocking
spice veldt
not even the damage
it's just the low ass target count combined with the lack of deterministic targeting
it has the same issue as voidstrike
olive ember
That too but that’s part of its niche
It can’t deal with hordes, much less mixed hordes
It’s not particularly good against shooters
It can alleviate pressure but killing is still a problem
There is def something to be said when I’m cc’ing 3 hounds a trapper and a mutant and my team isn’t around to kill them
gloomy yarrow
Don’t talk shit about ball staff
kind jay
obligatory pls buff surge. back to bed
olive ember
^^
lethal folio
It's very good at killing elites though
spice veldt
when you charge it up, the damage is good
lethal folio
full shock kills 2 (shot)gunners
olive ember
It’s decent against the lesser armored ones
lethal folio
2shots maulers
spice veldt
just that the charge is a bit on the slower side of things (1.8 minimum compared to trauma's 1 and voidstrike's 1.3)
I think it's 1.8
kind jay
you also have to wait out the entire animation. it works like obscurus special where it does the big hit at the end
olive ember
I mean you can animation cancel but still
Idr it being two full charges
Unless you double crit
spice veldt
it deals the final damage when you swap off, though you still need to wait a bit for it to chain to other targets first before swapping off
well other staffs have that mild delay anyways I suppose
lethal folio
No crit, two shot.
olive ember
🤔
I’ll run it back then
Prob the change to warp unleashed pushed it over
Tho that just reminds me how bad the damage fall off is
When you have 5 maulers and suddenly it takes forever to kill em 😅
spice veldt
+5% to 15% scaling could still be good enough
not sure though and too lazy to crunch da numbers
olive ember
The problem is when you have to use it with a horde around
olive ember
🤔 yeah checks out now that I think about how it performed in an actual game
lethal folio
It even keeps reasonable damage on crushers.
ornate mason
Surge does need buff
lethal folio
Only slightly slower than 2hit smite.
lethal folio
You can get a little extra damage swapping to a force sword with unstable power
olive ember
I mean the two easy things to buff surge instead of something that FS would screw up anyway, like reworking targeting would be
Increase damage to unarmored targets to match its damage to armoured targets
And increase its target cap (I’m assuming it’s literally just a number in code)
opaque anvil
Does surge do more damage to armored enemies? They mentioned something about that in the Reddit thread
spice veldt
if you open up the damage table, you'll see it
unyielding and maniac also take a decent amount
grim coyote
spice veldt
with the caveat that unyielding and maniac enemies tend to have high HP pools
grim coyote
is this sword good
spice veldt
not really:
- Obscurus is overshadowed by the other two force swords
- On a sticky activation special like that, you kinda want more mobility over warp resistance, especially if you're running quietude
olive ember
Shut
spice veldt
but it has 80/80/80 dmg/finesse/first target so whatever
olive ember
Obscures is great 😭
spice veldt
just a shame that it has t2 infested and t1 unstable
olive ember
Good stats, not so good perk and blessing
Also yeah obscures is the weakest of the two rn
Tho I feel it in my bones (coping hard) that deimos is gonna get nerfed
olive ember
spice veldt
shred is also not particularly good on the force swords, especially on the obscurus where cancelling is part of the hordeclear combo
kind jay
(still bad)
spice veldt
sprint efficiency is a nice thing to have, but I'd rather stack that on my curios and would rather have an offensive perk in place of it on a weapon
kind jay
i think you might do more damage with staff specials
and yet
you can put slaughter on it
and itll still work LOL
spice veldt
true
+infested isn't totally terrible depending on what you're using the obscurus for
olive ember
Ehhhhhh
spice veldt
slaughterer stands far above the rest of the blessings, so the other blessings are free to fight for second place
olive ember
OFS with slaughterer can deal with trash quite well tbh
Flak serves it much better
Especially for those fucking bucket heads
spice veldt
might potentially hit a breakpoint (100 dmg) with the minimum cleave damage on poxwalkers
haven't used an obscurus at all since the illisi came out tho
kind jay
im not good enough for that man come on
olive ember
I bet you haven’t even thought about doing low int sedition
I’m stuck with plebs here holy shit smh
Literally shaking and crying rn
spice oar
you guys think 100 is the biggest number. meanwhile im thinking of numbers like...101....300...246... we are not the same
spice veldt
yeah well at least i thinka bout numbers in order like 87, 89, 92, 100
once I say a number, I can never say a number less than it for the rest of my life
long wharf
surge should target a number of enemies boosted by the charge amount
say, minimum 3 max 10
olive ember
long wharf
I care less about the number of enemies stunned at once and more about doing full damage to what I hit
kind jay
easy
long wharf
apparently you don't understand the word "versatile"
olive ember
SMH I get downvoted for good takes
And the “I’m going to ignore every valid point you made, you clearly just have skill issue” take gets upvoted my ego is hurt now
long wharf
in the situation of "I need to start carrying my team", your team is being less effective than they need to be and you're having to bail them out of situations they're struggling to deal with
in that situation, surge is a godsend
olive ember
Well no the entire argument started cuz some other guy wanted a staff to carry heresy vets
And all I’m saying is that surge staff ain’t carrying
long wharf
vets don't need carrying on heresy
olive ember
Apparently they do
long wharf
bad players do, and it doesn't matter what class they play
olive ember
Idk idrc tbh but basically someone mentioned they were thinking about swapping to surge
“To stop getting face rolled by bad vets on heresy”
Or something to that effect
long wharf
oh, they're blaming "bad vets" for the team wiping on heresy repeatedly?
sad to say, they're likely part of the problem
long wharf
I'd rather not, right now
olive ember
All I said was that if you plan on carrying don’t use the surge staff
Idk
And I basically expand and list out the weaknesses of the surge staff and why it’s not a good staff for clutch or carry moments
And I get hit with the “lol you just have skill issue” Breh
long wharf
well, surge staff is #1 for carrying
among the staves
the definition of carrying isn't "killing everything the rest of the team doesn't"
olive ember
.> I’m going to have to disagree with ya there
long wharf
it's "dragging the team through the mission despite how badly they play"
and nothing helps the babies you're babysitting than giving them extra breathing room
removing specialists as a concern for them
olive ember
My perspective is that I accept the fact that they are bad and they are gonna eat shit the moment something hits the fan
long wharf
zealots that don't want to stick with the group and go down constantly
olive ember
Bringing a surge staff will help delay the inevitable
long wharf
oh sure
I'm not actually recommending babysitting
but what a good surge psyker does is make a mission smooth for the team
and the rougher the AI director gets, the more the surge psyker shines
olive ember
But basically I trust my own skills more than the skills of randoms so why augment the skills of scrubs when I can just bring a different staff and more reliably carry myself
Egotistical? Yes but
Horde shooters matchmaking moment I suppose
long wharf
because it's the random bullshit that wipes the team
what makes the psyker staves unique is that they're all CC in nature
and none of them stop the disablers as well as surge does
nor as reliably
that's just facts
olive ember
Idk I’m just jaded because I’ve had multiple games where I CC’ed entire packs of specials (like 3 hounds at a time) and my team just didn’t kill them and then died to fucking poxwalkers or shooters
olive ember
So I’ve come to the mindset of “carry means quite literally carrying your teammates”
As in
Bring a autopistol or purge staff or trauma and expect to do everything yourself
long wharf
the reason why everyone loves having a surge psyker on the team is because they most capably stop the bullshit from catching someone unaware
olive ember
Oh yeah I know
long wharf
if I wanted to do everything myself, I wouldn't boot up Darktide
olive ember
It’s why i think surge staff is peak support staff
olive ember
But not carry
long wharf
surge is definitely support staff
there's no argument about that
I want it to perform better, just the same
olive ember
And yeah I don’t plan to into every game expecting to basically true solo or some shit but
long wharf
shit happens
that's Darktide
that's the unofficial motto of WH40K
shit always happens
olive ember
Again the person I originally replied to talked like they wanted to carry so
That’s why I recommended against the surge staff
Cuz imo it’s not a carry staff
opaque anvil
I think having a regular team makes the surge staff better too
long wharf
and I disagree with you on that 🙂
opaque anvil
WHy?
olive ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
opaque anvil
You don't think communicating the enemies you're CC'ing is helpful?
long wharf
surge staff is excellent for helping the team cross the finish line where they otherwise wouldn't
opaque anvil
SO that the rest of your team can do MORE damage
cold geode
oooooo
long wharf
I was disagreeing with Derpy
opaque anvil
Oh my b
spice veldt
that's a nice use case, but it's not necessarily as versatile because of situations like mixed hordes
olive ember
I mean it’s the definition of what is carrying I suppose
long wharf
mixed hordes aren't what the surge staff is for
olive ember
When I think of carrying I assume the im literally solo
long wharf
I can't bzzz?
spice veldt
hordes with melee elites eating the cleave of your melee
kind jay
illy and surge is an electrifying pair
spice veldt
it's not that you can't bzz but the low target count and non-deterministic targeting making it iffy
long wharf
FartShart has improved staff blessings to where every staff has a purpose now
spice veldt
it has a purpose, but I still wouldn't call it a carry staff
long wharf
I may not like how trauma aims, but I don't deny its utility
olive ember
I mean again we both think it’s a good support staff and we both like the utility the stun provides
I just don’t think it’s a good carry staff
As in my teammates keep dying and I gotta solo most of the game
spice veldt
it excels if it hits all elites/specials, but that might not be the case often times when the hub bub are mixed in
and I like weapons where I can fight in-place without the need to ever kite
or at least minimize the need to kite
opaque anvil
It just doesn't kill shit as hard, so you could "carry" by keeping all the elites off your team, I guess.
cursive crest
But basically I trust my own skills more than the skills of randoms so why augme...
"But basically I trust my own skills more than the skills of randoms so" everyone think that about himself anyway
spice veldt
but what if those elites are mixed in with other enemies
groaners/poxwalkers/bruisers
long wharf
then you cut off their heads, ezpz
olive ember
"But basically I trust my own skills more than the skills of randoms so" everyon...
Yes but I have the added benefit that normally I’m not going down to poxwalkers or shooters 10 minutes into the game
kind jay
we all know ReconLasStaff is the only true carry staff
long wharf
frankly, if your teammates are going down constantly, you might wanna just let the mission fail
cursive crest
Yes but I have the added benefit that normally I’m not going down to poxwalkers ...
Yeah i understood from your last sentences that you are a suphero
long wharf
respect your time by not giving any more to them
olive ember
Yeah i understood from your last sentences that you are a suphero
I mean you can not believe me but the average pug player isn’t worth supporting with a surge staff
So yeah
opaque anvil
I've definitely had a bad time trying to do that
BUT I'm also one of those pug players I guess
olive ember
frankly, if your teammates are going down constantly, you might wanna just let t...
Eh I’ll try until we fail, I personally don’t like the quitting midway through
Besides carrying is sometimes (kinda) fun
cursive crest
everyone is a random for others
long wharf
depends on how much effort the rest of the team is putting in
olive ember
everyone is a random for others
And?
The whole argument is that if you want to carry run not a surge staff
leaden thunder
currently tho, you can probably handle the carry side with the illisi
olive ember
That’s literally the only argument idk what my perceived skill has got to do with anything
leaden thunder
spice veldt
i.e., a weapon agnostic to your teammates
olive ember
Oh yeah illisi is broke
leaden thunder
but that isn't the surge doing
spice veldt
that happens every-so-often
supple skiff
looks like it killed the whole mission
olive ember
Zero distinguishment
spice veldt
happened three times in one day to me and didn't happen outside of that ever again
kind jay
i think psyker channel should just start playing together. then we can start being reeeal toxic
lets gooo
olive ember
I’m down kek
I ran MetaPsykerTM back in the day
Also I’m a surge staff main so @spice veldt will hate me
spice veldt
i have a feeling that people won't like how I play
spice veldt
no
kind jay
can we get 3 surges in Arco's team?
spice veldt
being away from my team
spice veldt
running ahead
I also like to hog all the kills all for myself
so I'd rather not play with good players
olive ember
SMH coward
Don’t worry
I’ll turn on “pug surge mode”
As in I’ll play like the average pugger with surge
Just for you
spice veldt
surge spam on hordes actually does peeve me because it makes cleaning up stragglers more time-consuming
kind jay
but that's why we have to group up. i can almost feel the sweat from here
spice veldt
same with trauma users on stragglers
olive ember
I mean im down kekw
kind jay
anarchy
spice veldt
or voidstrike users on stragglers
or purg users on stragglers
maybe I just hate people who don't use melee
olive ember
Alright ima play shield ogryn just for @spice veldt
spice veldt
alright maybe I hate some people who don't use melee
olive ember
Maybe add in the rumbler
kind jay
i wish we had a thunk staff
spice veldt
the "control hordes" argument is bad, but with something like the illisi which is overtuned, it's not terrible I suppose
olive ember
Meh so when we queueing together kek
Maybe we can add in @cyan notch for maximum sweat and gamer moments
kind jay
I'd be down for toxicity after i get some sleep.
maybe we can get something interesting going idk
kind jay
isn't that just normal 40k
olive ember
wtf why are you in coherency range of me
Social distancing
🤔 how would that work actually
Just
Can’t be in coherency with each other
spice veldt
need to kite somewhere away from a horde? no, cuz your teammate is in that direction
and so are your other teammates in other directions
kind jay
condition: hi intensity shock troop covid. if you are in coherency, you all take corruption damage
spice veldt
i'd love it
kind jay
wait
if arco wants all the kills, but hates people who don't melee, how can they melee and avoid being hated
olive ember
Claw sword duh
kind jay
spice veldt
my superior cardio with sprint eff will let me reach the ends of the world
run snipers down with my hands
kind jay
so that's where all the arm muscles went
spice veldt
what arm muscles?
kind jay
thick thighs
spice veldt
u got it
well cant say I'm the best sprinter
but I got the biggest and meanest lungs on all of tertium and the mourningstar
kind jay
your lungs make cancer scared
spice veldt
my lungs have been folded 100,000 times to maximize surface area
i'm sure that's how it works
kind jay
seems accurate
spice veldt
neat
kind jay
any of them
olive ember
One of ‘em yeah
kind jay
yesss
olive ember
One of em got canceled
kind jay
double yess
olive ember
And the last one we don’t talk about
kind jay
...oh
olive ember
double yess
Well not rly cuz it just means final covers more stuff and is weighted more
Speaking of which finals next week 😄
kind jay
damn it now i need closure on that too
fringe garden
How good is Surge for the Voidstrike?
olive ember
Off meta
spice oar
Speaking of which finals next week 😄
long wharf
How good is Surge for the Voidstrike?
disappointing.
speaking of disappointment, Sour Milk daily rollover in less than a minute
olive ember
What trash am I goin to get today
tropic vigil
is 21 the highest health % perk you can get on a curio?
bold flint
is 21 the highest health % perk you can get on a curio?
yes
tropic vigil
ty
leaden thunder
iirc it works like it should, but it's not very good
I am unsure how long it takes to reset it tho
long wharf
surely you're not trying to do damage with a void staff
Sour Milk knows best, he's nobility after all
atomic forum
huh. well. that's lucky
primal plume
I got 2 tier 4s from a random mission drop
leaden thunder
rip the bloodthirst off it and hope that blessing gets buffed
long wharf
I wish FartShart had modified all the other Bloodthirsty blessings to be like the fsword's instead of the other way around
I missed the chance to play with guaranteed crits for 5s 😦
long wharf
yeah
... someone should report that as a bug on the forums
"Bug: Bloodthirsty on fsword no longer crits for 5 seconds after special kill"
ornate hamlet
Yay or nay?
long wharf
it's neither an Illisi nor Deimos
ornate hamlet
Yeah, but just to earn the blessings. I rarely see anything worth getting from acquisitions.
long wharf
I wouldn't spend Milkies on any blessing that's not a T4
unless you're literally sitting on 10k
ornate hamlet
4,020
long wharf
I recommend you hold onto your Milkies then
ornate hamlet
Alrighty then.
long wharf
last thing you want is to see Sour Milk have a T4 blessing that you can't get
ornate hamlet
Fair enough.
I rarely have any blessings. Haven't really played since they released the feature to start collecting.
long wharf
well, the only way to get those blessings is to play
fierce sinew
block efficiency between the two but I'd take an additional 5% over either
fierce sinew
it's good when it happens, just not possible to make it reliable enough for me to like it
without lmao bloodthirsty may it rest in peace
marsh kayak
slate oasis
warp flurry and transfer peril are the best for it afaik
should I swap out harnessing the warp on this or is it good as is?
obtuse moth
its up to you, warp is probably meta but there are other options that are viable
atomic forum
should I swap out harnessing the warp on this or is it good as is?
harnessing the warp and warp flurry are the only blessings worth using on purgatus
and the extra crit chance is particularly nice on purgatus since applying another stack is just, quite valuable
cyan notch
i like nexus and focused channeling
atomic forum
focused channeling seems like it would be useful like
once a mission to me
whereas warp flurry is useful literally every time i use the staff
cyan notch
whatever fits your playstyle
long wharf
the only staff I'd use focused channeling on is trauma
because you spend time aiming it
atomic forum
i like warp flurry on purgatus as well because i typically just blast it at 100 peril during horde situations until i run out of combat meditation procs and then ult, so i can keep warp flurry maxed for like. an entire horde
obtuse moth
yeah i wouldnt drop flurry in weapons unless you're running a blazing spirit build
spice veldt
focused channeling is nice for sprint sliding into ranged enemies with trauma and the occasional hittrade
obtuse moth
you can still sprint slide without it but it is nice for CQC trauma for sure
spice veldt
ranged attacks knock you out of your sprint and can prevent you from starting a slide
also nice when I run out of dodges and need another way of evading ranged attacks while out of cover
obtuse moth
Ah it's a general hitstun immunity blessing?
spice veldt
yeah, protects against anything that doesn't forcibly swap your weapons (e.g., barrel explosions, plogryn attacks)
or when I'm greeding for some kills with my trauma staff and my toughness is about to get broken
so I can just eat the health loss and get my kills
olive ember
focused channeling apologist right here
white cedar
should I change Harnessing to Flurry? 🤔
digital loom
no change transfer peril to blaze and machine gun it
white cedar
I'm not really play Voidstrike, please tell me what blessing people are playing 😂
wait, people don't play Teranfer Peril?
digital loom
no you can
i'm just weird
speaking of
slaps staff i'm going to play the game wrong very soon
i finally got one of these golf clubs to roll blazing first
obtuse moth
should I change Harnessing to Flurry? 🤔
The meta is to use flurry and transfer peril but you can also play a crit burning build with harnessing the warp and blazing spirit that uses quell cancelling to rapid fire shots that have a chance to cause aoe burning
white cedar
crit burning is quite interesting since quell speed got buffed and wild fire build exist 
near wyvern
crit burning is quite interesting since quell speed got buffed and wild fire bui...
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Crit burning is ass for void since the AOE is so small, however, it's very usable for Trauma but requires quite a specific rolls
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Wildfire is not good, mainly because it doesn't work correctly
white cedar
I might end up making both staff for science 😂
primal plume
I'm not really play Voidstrike, please tell me what blessing people are playing ...
I use Flurry and Transfer. Lets you keep spamming that extra cast speed. Feels really comfy
digital loom
ok
i guess i'm a weirdo because voidstrike has really grown on me in the last few games
digital loom
my teammates were all pretty good too tbh
near wyvern
I might end up making both staff for science 😂
I have them both. For Void you wanna use the quell cancel macro, doesn't really do a lot of damage unless you get a good angle from above to the incoming horde so you can paint it blue.
For Trauma you can be serious about it, it's actually what I use for my main build. For Trauma you want to have:
- preferably max charge rate and blast radius
- either +infested or +unarmoured for perk and then +5% crit chance
- Harnessing The Warp 4
It's extremely important to have the harness 4 instead of harness 3 since you will crit around every 3-4 casts instead of every 4-5 casts at 80+ peril.
primal plume
VoidStrike does good damage
digital loom
and heavy breathing
primal plume
idk where people are getting this idea
white cedar
i guess i'm a weirdo because voidstrike has really grown on me in the last few g...
if you are liking it and not be a burden, it's nothing wrong with your build 😄
digital loom
i recently got slaughterer 4 f or power sword so i've been using this rusty sword
and it completes the build
since my only complaint with void was terrible at close quarters compared to trauma
obtuse moth
VoidStrike does good damage
It falls off in higher difficulties, purge is prolly the most straightforward for killing
digital loom
what surprises me about illisi is how it kills things not even on my screen
its attack arc is higher than my fov
primal plume
It falls off in higher difficulties, purge is prolly the most straightforward fo...
I play on Damnation and i have no issues with it
digital loom
i really, really enjoy deimos don't get me wrong
white cedar
I have them both. For Void you wanna use the quell cancel macro, doesn't really ...
welp, I have to make my new Taruma for crit build, that should be 3 staffs in making list. I though I'm done with Psyker staff making 😂
digital loom
but illisi is fun also
primal plume
Void also doesnt blind the rest of your team
digital loom
yeah
primal plume
and you can help with shooters
digital loom
i've been exploring soulblaze builds that dont use purg staff
i think void staff does it better
because you can machine gun it
near wyvern
i dont use a macro
Regularly you shouldn't since flurry transfer is BiS so you want to hold that RMB and never let go or touch quell before the fight is over. However with blue fire void...
digital loom
trauma is really good at it too because every chunk of mobs you kill causes some weird displacement, the surrounding mobs are clearly exceeding four stacks
something weird there
primal plume
Trauma just feels like i fling shit around more often than not
digital loom
using trauma with blaze is the sensation of, you know how with fires if you try to stamp them out they spread? thats how trauma feels
spice veldt
trauma does have a large outer radius
digital loom
voids blast radius isnt bad either
it just does very low damage
but it still applies soulblaze
primal plume
watching enemies fall from trauma is fun but it just makes me wish i had void
digital loom
trauma needs some reworking in how the explosion is placed
spice veldt
an 80% blast radius trauma has an epicentre of radius 2.3 meters and an outer area of radius 8.4 meters
digital loom
yeah you can catch a lot of stuff on fire
but void isnt bad either
because you can machine gun it, you get around the same spread at the same speed
its just different sensation during use
white cedar
trauma needs some reworking in how the explosion is placed
It should have build-in fire on hit like VT2
near wyvern
It falls off in higher difficulties, purge is prolly the most straightforward fo...
Yeah that's not correct. You get a lot more killing and DPS on trauma and void than purge on damnation. What really gets you a lot of DPS is AB on horde but cut that out or use that for Trauma & Void and they will out DPS purge.
obtuse moth
I play on Damnation and i have no issues with it
Only kills chaff at a reasonable speed and has a hard target limit that makes it much slower at killing
digital loom
i really like blaze because it softens up enemies for people with less than perfect gear who are missing one or several breakpoints to kill whatever makes its way to them in one hit
near wyvern
It's just that purge is really easy to use and has good control and it's not very roll dependant compared to void and trauma
digital loom
and it also works with blast radius weapons really well
i like purge's primary
only staff i will use run and gun
spice veldt
and purg does shine against mixed hordes that don't have bulwarks
and mixed hordes can be a run ender, so the purg does help with that
primal plume
Only kills chaff at a reasonable speed and has a hard target limit that makes it...
"Reasonable speed"
Killing an entire horde down a halway from across the map before they get close is only reasonable?
Like I said
Ive never had an issue with it
Voidstrike is my Ol' Reliable
spice veldt
it has a 6 cleave limit on its epicentre when fully charged, so I'd say it's reasonable
primal plume
can headshot shooters behidn cover too because of its huge hitbox
obtuse moth
"Reasonable speed"
Killing an entire horde down a halway from across the map be...
Aka chaff
primal plume
I have Tier 4 warp flurry
So Im always shooting fully charged shots at quick speeds
Elites and specials are the only thing I cant one shot
cyan notch
yea void clear is ok its not horrible
primal plume
I just feel its better than purgatus because purgatus is only good at clearing trash and nothing else. But everything is good at clearing trash and it leaves you gimped at long range or even medium
spice veldt
well, purg is also good at clearing trash
but it can clear ragers and maulers that's inside trash
and it can cleave through crushers (although not damage them without setup)
graceful aurora
I just feel its better than purgatus because purgatus is only good at clearing t...
thisi why I have switched to void and also cause surge only hits 5 people and makes me sad
primal plume
but it can clear ragers and maulers that's inside trash
Im not trying to do everything though
spice veldt
I know
primal plume
The way I play Psyker in that situation is to make space
white cedar
Surge is sad XD
cyan notch
yea purg melts elites and everything in a horde
spice veldt
I'm remarking on the "only good at clearing trash and nothing else" line
cyan notch
way better killing than void
spice veldt
ragers and maulers are trivial because of how many sources of stagger this game has, but they're still a threat
primal plume
Its not lmao
white cedar
I'm lightning enjoyer and I sad with it
spice veldt
if we're talking about killing power, then purg is better except against carapace
just that it has limitations in range
primal plume
I just ult and use BB
spice veldt
just because of the sheer fact of having infinite cleave in a conal aoe
spice veldt
sure, but the idea is that you can kill the rager AND other enemies around them
primal plume
Thats what the ult is for
primal plume
Staggers them so I can kill them
white cedar
that's why we have other player, right? we don't have to be all role in the team
spice veldt
it's a safe option when there are three or more human-sized elites in a horde
primal plume
Purgatus is entirely dependant on team though
spice veldt
and you don't need to expend resources like your ult
if you can cover your ranged weakness with melee, I think it's fine
primal plume
If a shooter is messing with you, with void, you just shoot his head and move on
cyan notch
Purgatus is entirely dependant on team though
nah
spice veldt
though you certainly are more beholden to map geometry
primal plume
if a shooter is out of range, it puts you in a weird spot
either BB and stop flaming
or hope someone else gets it
Void doesnt have that weakness
cyan notch
you have to stop and target the shooter too with void
primal plume
you have to stop and target the shooter too with void
Infinitly faster with Void because you can keep your stacks
tired estuary
Its not a meaningful weakness, just a matter of positioning
violet yoke
Void is by far the worst staff of the 4 at high in t5s
primal plume
Like i dont know how slow your void strike staff is
cyan notch
idk about infinitely faster
primal plume
this is my staff
spice veldt
I have a pretty well rolled voidstrike with the dump in blast radius and t3 warpflurry/transfer
and it feels meh to me
primal plume
with 5 stacks of flurry its really fast to get fully charged shots
spice veldt
and because it's the one staff where you can't sprint while casting with it
primal plume
and headshoting means I dont need to quel hardly at all
spice veldt
you can intitiate an RMB from a sprint, but you can't start a sprint while holding RMB
which means that I can't be as aggressive against ranged
cyan notch
yea its pretty shit for that
primal plume
Void is by far the worst staff of the 4 at high in t5s
So is that why I always get the highest kill count in damnation with void?
cyan notch
i wonder if theyll fix that
spice veldt
that's not a good argument
I also get more kills than my teammates with trauma
is that convincing?
not really
violet yoke
LOLOL CUSS CUSS SOCORE BOARD
primal plume
I always out perform purgatus too
violet yoke
makes me good
spice veldt
me too
primal plume
Because I kill them before they even get close
Its amazing how much space you make when you can wipe hordes without them having to be right up on you
spice veldt
the point of purg is that you can tick damage down on elites that are covered by a horde
it's very impressive to kill groaners/poxwalkers, but that's just the showy part of purg
primal plume
But that situation isnt going to make me pick Purgatus over void
because thats a very specific situation
cyan notch
its a pretty common situation
spice veldt
but that specific situation is one of the situations that can end runs
spice veldt
having the crowd DPS to kill them is essential
cyan notch
hordes pull ambients all the time
primal plume
And I can do all this without flooding my team mates visions with blue and white fire
spice veldt
and the map sections in darktide are somewhat semi-enclosed
sure, that's a tradeoff, but the infinite cleave of purg can't be understated
primal plume
Youre all acting like if the elite doesnt die asap the entire team will instantly wipe
primal plume
thats the impression im getting
primal plume
If I dont kill the elites personally with fire along with the hordes its a wipe
cyan notch
sounds like a skill issue
primal plume
sounds like a skill issue
Thats what youre all implying though
spice veldt
that's a mischaracterization
cyan notch
Thats what youre all implying though
nah
primal plume
Every argument Ive heard is "yeah but elites in a horde"
spice veldt
I'm only saying that while the purg has massive weaknesses in other areas, it's strong in this specific situation
but elites in a horde are dangerous?
primal plume
It is strong
primal plume
but its not strong enough to make me pick it over void
spice veldt
and it's also not just reaching/killing elites but being able to cleave through crushers
primal plume
Why are you flaming crushers
you said theyre really resistant to fire
if youre flamming crushers youre just bad
spice veldt
the intent isn't to flame crushers but the enemies around them
cyan notch
if its not strong enough hey thats a personal choice its up to you
spice veldt
when I mean cleave, I'm referring to the melee definition
primal plume
Yeah
just like how I dont need to focus the crusher
I can shoot around it
youre allowed to do that
spice veldt
the crusher still covers a non-insignificant portion of a horde, especially when they're at the front which is often the case because of their movement speed and tendency for their melee attacks to track you even if you're running
or such as through a chokepoint
primal plume
So what youre saying is. Purge is better than Void because in really specific situations its slightly better
But in every other its bad
cyan notch
in really common scenarios
primal plume
Not really
cyan notch
hordes pull ambients
spice veldt
it's not terrible in other situations when you can cover that weakness up
primal plume
Theres not a crusher around every corner
olive ember
huh its 1 AM already
primal plume
Its purgatus fans coping
olive ember
oh well
spice veldt
sure, but those are the situations that are threatening to a run
cyan notch
void is pretty mid imo yea
spice veldt
and being able to kill ragers/maulers without needing them to be exposed is nice
cyan notch
doesnt really do anything great just kinda mid at everything
spice veldt
it requires minimal setup for purg to do what it needs to do
just that purg sucks for pushing maps
but for dealing with enemies that come towards you, it's quite good
primal plume
Youre literally agreeing with me but arguing about it
spice veldt
what's wrong with that?
I'm not going to adamantly defend the purg
I admit it has weaknesses
primal plume
Purge is really niche in specific situations
You: Purge is really niche in specific situations
Also you: Yeah but this means Void is dogshit
spice veldt
I never said void was dogshit
olive ember
Purge isn't rly niche lmao
spice veldt
I'd rather not be mischaracterized again
primal plume
This entire convo has been you trying to convince me of the superiority of purgatus
spice veldt
sure
primal plume
Because it kills poxwalkers really good
olive ember
I said something about it being dogshit
spice veldt
but remember that this convo was initiated by you saying that void was better than purg
olive ember
void is very dogshit
spice veldt
brooooooooo
olive ember
spice veldt
i've said multiple times that it's also killing elites inside trash
not just killing trash
primal plume
but remember that this convo was initiated by you saying that void was better th...
Because it is
olive ember
It really isn't
primal plume
It really is
primal plume
Why would i pick a staff thats only good at killing poxwalkers
spice veldt
it's not JUST poxwalkers
primal plume
When everything is already good at that
primal plume
it's not JUST poxwalkers
BB ult with 6 stacks and Warp unleashed
spice veldt
it's not like the void is good at killing anything else other than trash?
olive ember
the staff thats only good for killing poxwalkers?
primal plume
Killed your rangers and elites faster
spice veldt
it's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black if the void is the staff you're defending
primal plume
literally the voidstrike
So purgatus is even worse than void at killing poxwalkers?
cyan notch
probably not
primal plume
So purgatus is even worse than void at killing poxwalkers?
I dont think you know what that means
spice veldt
So purgatus is even worse than void at killing poxwalkers?
your own sentence says "only good at killing poxwalkers"
olive ember
No the purge staff melts everything that isn't an ogryn or a mutant
quasi pier
Purg is the best at thinning and deleting thick masses of close enemies. Void is better for taking out shooters and pox hordes from a distance.
cyan notch
purg even does decent boss damage unlike void which does negative damage it probably heals the boss
olive ember
idk where the purge staff only kills poxwalkers comes from
spice veldt
void DPS is basically the same when compared to other staffs, but the 6 max cleave limit is a strong limitation
quasi pier
The best is a personal playstyle choice and depends on what group you're playing with
primal plume
purg even does decent boss damage unlike void which does negative damage it prob...
"Decent"
Okay. I see whats wrong here. Bro plays on T1 Low int difficulty
Exclusively
violet yoke
I am convinced Lucceia plays only malice and untill i see proof other wise
violet yoke
thats account wide achivment
olive ember
Alright so
violet yoke
silly guy
olive ember
the real question
cyan notch
"Decent"
Okay. I see whats wrong here. Bro plays on T1 Low int difficulty
oh yeah look at this
olive ember
should I run nightriders glaive
with giant hunt
or stick with the greatsword
with lions claw
tired estuary
Glaive
primal plume
oh yeah look at this
Acting like a literal child
primal plume
thats account wide achivment
I bet you dont play anything but malice
Shows proof I play Damnation
UMMM AKTHUALLY
hows this for you then
cyan notch
Acting like a literal child
youre the one resorting to petty t1 insults first buddy
violet yoke
i am just down to troll any void staff user they always get so fired up about there blue balls
primal plume
youre the one resorting to petty t1 insults first buddy
Youre mad because I speak the truth
cyan notch
kinda cringe....ngl....awkward....
idle bay
Fun Fact - failed Damntion mission count as completion for Penances....
cyan notch
Youre mad because I speak the truth
spice veldt
you can do it wyck
primal plume
Bros mad
violet yoke
all other staff user are always open to talk about stuff but u get a void user in here and man.... it gets good quick
idle bay
All you have to do to get that frame is to fail 7 different Damnation missions 🙂
quasi pier
I am convinced Lucceia plays only malice and untill i see proof other wise
Nah you're just witnessing peak self-unaware overconfidence
primal plume
I didnt know the game had a secret Khorne worshipper class
Or is he Larping as a rager
cyan notch
olive ember
all other staff user are always open to talk about stuff but u get a void user i...
not true, I believe in surge staff supremacy
and anyone who doesn't agree is a filthy malice gamer
primal plume
Average Purgatus fan:
primal plume
Surge is fun but I hate when the damn dogs ignore the stun
olive ember
this guy has this screenshot saved on his pc bruh
idle bay
True Belivers of Surge - keep that secret. In case of forum Karens begin to whine "Nerf Surge staffs -psykers having too much fun and we don't like when other players have fun - our 2 brain cells can't allow it"
cyan notch
actually i had to search my images sent for that
olive ember
A for effort then
spice veldt
I also dislike purgatus staff for the reasons you mentioned, but I also still think that the benefits outweigh the negative when compared to void
the reason why you see me listing out the positives and negatives about purg is that I also don't like it
but when the other staff being compared is void
cyan notch
well ur a noob cuz purg only kills poxwalkers and everything does that (even surge)
primal plume
What is that an elden ring buff
spice veldt
derpy, take your meds
spice veldt
early onset dementia is tragic
cyan notch
go farm ur mr
olive ember
mehhh
anomaly investigation grind is boring as shit
literally just fighting the same hunt over and over again
spice veldt
hab dreyko is just nice because of the closed quarter nature of the map
primal plume
i wish there was something other than low int
spice veldt
though hab dreyko is also one of the easiest maps because of the low ass spawns and being particularly short once you get the hang of things
and seeming to be one of the maps where elite patrols don't spawn right in front of the airlocks
at least, I've never had that happen to me
cyan notch
i dont like hab dreyko
primal plume
I forgot to mention
cyan notch
mats are all over the place
primal plume
the reason void is better than purge
spice veldt
yeah, it's a real pain
primal plume
void gives you that crisp popping sound when shooting hordes
its like making popcorn
cyan notch
sometimes the skull doesnt even take you to all the places with mats
fierce sinew
void gives you that crisp popping sound when shooting hordes
unironically the main reason people use it. 90% of void players are just lab monkeys pushing button to collect their fruit
primal plume
its good fruit
violet yoke
i did my 250 habs and i dont think ill ever do that map again...
digital loom
its time to commit hypothetical warcrimes
cyan notch
i did my 250 habs and i dont think ill ever do that map again...
did u just do whatever difficulty hab dreyko was up
digital loom
48% damage
violet yoke
around 180ish i gave in and just started doing everything
