psyker-class

[leaden thunder]

can probably go higher against certain targets

[ember hornet]

they can ignore all damage

[near wyvern]

IMO if you run 2 or 3 toughness curios you better be running kinetic shielding as well.

And if you are running kinetic shielding you are missing on the team save monster of kinetic deflection which can absolutely save a wipe.

[leaden thunder]

^

I agree on the running kinetic shield part

[near wyvern]

It's personal defence versus team gamer

[ember hornet]

I run quicken for the team saves

since I primarily melee anyways

[median valley]

Man I'm just used to getting sweaty in Vermintide 2. I have more hours technically on Darktide now, but still default to certain builds because I know this is all subject to change.

[ember hornet]

but I'm also fortunate enough to have a giga broken illisi

[near wyvern]

If I melee with psyker I play with the one build. Still running kinetic deflection so you can sprint and push attack to your hearts content and still able to block.

[cyan notch]

well illisi doesnt need much to get into omega busted tier

[cyan notch]

basically any roll works

[near wyvern]

Excecutor would be more busted for that

[ember hornet]

eh

not really

[near wyvern]

There is no way you can constantly keep high peril and still swing

[ember hornet]

misses a lot of one shots

unstable hits several one shot breakpoints

[median valley]

Kinetic deflection is my jam with everything weakspot and crit/damage dialed running Deflector.

[near wyvern]

Wdym executor is +25% power at max stacks

[ember hornet]

and it's 3 jack offs to hit max peril on the next swing

[near wyvern]

With executor you don't need to jack at all just keep swinging

[ember hornet]

sure but for 1 shotting specials and elites I always have max peril

esp with warp unleashed

I will be at max peril as often as possible

so it's free 20% power

[near wyvern]

I bet there is still one special that you can't one shot

Mutant

[ember hornet]

if I had maniac

it would one shot with slaughterer

I do like 3640 max to a mutie atm

[near wyvern]

That's assuming you have enemies around

[ember hornet]

I always assume enemies are around

[median valley]

Hey so the the perk that's "5% bonus power based on peril" with no further followup... Is that stacking with higher peril? If so, literal words missing to elucidate that further :/

[ember hornet]

It stacks 4x up to 80% peril

[near wyvern]

Stacks up to 4 times at 20/40/60/80

[median valley]

The fuck. It literally just says 5%. That's preposterous.

I scrapped it because it "looked" like garbage.

[ember hornet]

many things in the game are not explained at all

[near wyvern]

@median valley for any how does X work questions you can go check up The Psyker Atheneum steam guide, link in the pinned messages on this channel

[ember hornet]

so just ask

[median valley]

AAAggghhhhhhhhh

[ember hornet]

or look at pins yeah

[near wyvern]

If it's not in the Atheneum this chat doesn't know

[median valley]

Okay, thank you. I just wish there was more transparency and a glossary/index/codex.

[ember hornet]

the most fun fact I know

[near wyvern]

Indeed, which is why Atheneum was made

[ember hornet]

you can kill teammates with an uncanny slaughterer force sword

by hitting a barrel

[cyan notch]

yea and urself too

[ember hornet]

yup

[cyan notch]

kinda stupid

[near wyvern]

You wanna know something funny about uncanning? With brittleness and uncanny you can stack rending to 140% so your lights deal more damage to carapace than to unarmoured

[cyan notch]

yea lets just put 5 million barrels everywhere also we made fire barrelS FIFTEEN SECONDS LONG CUX FUCK YOU AFK AND STARE AT THE FLOOR COOKING

[ember hornet]

15 seconds

is way too long

[near wyvern]

Yeah holy crap the fire barrels are annoying

[median valley]

Man, people giving me shit for running a build that "makes sense" by looking at the numbers based on what I can calculate; but there are hidden components that are non-obvious that cannot just be deduced in the meat grinder.

[near wyvern]

If their placement was better then maybe yeah but the fact that you can accidentally blow one up and then the whole path is blocked is pain

[median valley]

"Why would you do that" while they run revolver and get rolled. Who knows.

[cyan notch]

and they upped tick damage too so u cant run through unless u spam jump and sometimes that doesnt work all the time

its just a hey dont play the game for 15s

[near wyvern]

Slug shotgun is the new revolver change my mind

[ember hornet]

shotgun was always better revolver

now even better

[ember hornet]

hunting grounds be like

[median valley]

Buddy runs sluggy and it is actually working for him; I had my doubts -- but I guess I just gotta learn more mechanics and tactics 🤷‍♂️

[lunar hollow]

hunting grounds is way more than 15 seconds

[median valley]

The penetration through walls et al. is cool

[ember hornet]

that was my implication yes

[cyan notch]

well no better way to see what works than to try it out firsthand

[lunar hollow]

each wave is more like 2 minutes

takes fucking forever

[ember hornet]

and it sucks

and then 3 minutes later

another wave

[lunar hollow]

most boring shit ever

[ember hornet]

oh yes I really want to pause to kill 300 dogs

[cyan notch]

its 7 staggered waves of 18 little shits thst also stsgger you just by walking

engaging and dynamic gameplay

(you are a ball in a bouncy castle)

[ember hornet]

TWBS be like 😎

tbh I really liked new hunting grounds at first when it was novel

and then I realized how scripted it was

[cyan notch]

pretty mid

i prefered the og huntting grounds tbh

[ember hornet]

eh

relative to burn out yeah

[cyan notch]

i didnt have much problems killing them

[shut willow]

Which blessings would you slap on the Trauma Force Staff, apart from Warp Flurry?

[ember hornet]

I think maybe they could just make small dogs part of normal special spawn cycle

and then it would be fine

[ember hornet]

rending

[lunar hollow]

i never liked either hunting grounds

but old hunting grounds came out around the time i would disconnect from a match every other game

and my ping was super shit

[ember hornet]

old hunting grounds was like, semi pointless

and hardly an event

[lunar hollow]

fighting hounds with shit internet is the reason i hardly touched this game in january

[shut willow]

Did some testing with it in Psykhanium, seems like the only dmg increase I personally can get is from the staff's lmb

But it's mainly to help allies, right?

[lunar hollow]

the hound spawn noises playing more than normal was irritating

[ember hornet]

it's for crusher packs

pretty much exclusively crusher packs

[shut willow]

Aye makes sense
Thanks 🙂

[lunar hollow]

hunting grounds is like if you took the interesting parts of sniper gauntlet out

[ember hornet]

which they increased the spawn rate of recently

and trauma knocks em all down

so it's a good synergy

[cyan notch]

sniper gauntlet is garbage too

both need to be thrown out

[static agate]

Sniper gauntlet with low visibility is a pain in the ass

[ember hornet]

sniper gauntlet is fun for 1 or 2 games

no more than that

[lunar hollow]

sniper gauntlet at least has you doing something besides sitting behind a fuckin barrel letting hounds come to you

you also have to dodge out of cover

[static agate]

I would like new bosses, and for bosses to drop a reward. Like loot dices in vermintide

[lunar hollow]

and back in

[summer prairie]

there's already code for poxburster, mutant and rifleman gauntlets

[static agate]

code?

[lunar hollow]

poxburster gauntlet

fuck that

[ember hornet]

I would love tiny muties

[summer prairie]

like they are done

[static agate]

Aha, so they will be released?

[summer prairie]

who wants waves of scab riflemen

[ember hornet]

imagine how adorable tiny muties would be

[static agate]

But not yet

[summer prairie]

maybe they will

[cyan notch]

vets

[static agate]

Until they start crawling on your legs and trying to bite your D**** off

[lunar hollow]

'waves of scab riflemen' = spawncamp time

[static agate]

Is there any code for any new bosses?

[near wyvern]

We have waves of scab riflemen at home

[static agate]

Like a Heretic Spacemarine?

[ember hornet]

there is a new boss mostly implemented, tox spewer plogryn

[lunar hollow]

all of the 'x enemy gauntlet' types will inevitably be smth u play a couple times and never again

[cyan notch]

theres chaos spawn and stormfiend

[lunar hollow]

mfw reskinned stormfiend

[static agate]

I would like a new one, like the Daemonhost was cool

[lunar hollow]

FS out here making sure everything in darktide is reused from somewhere else

[ember hornet]

simply never play VT and don't get biased by it smh

[static agate]

Maybe a ninja boss ish

[lunar hollow]

whether its shit from VT2 or stuff stolen from other darktide content cough maps cough

[ember hornet]

boss spawn rooms should have loot

[cyan notch]

plogryn is basically just a rat ogre

bonbon is cool tho except for slime trail

[lunar hollow]

i hate BoN

it is the least fun enemy in this entire game to me

[ember hornet]

bonbon is cool except for when it bugs and does 0-100 corruption

[lunar hollow]

there's hardly any like

actual counterplay to it

[ember hornet]

I mean

I counterplay bonbon pretty hard with hammer

[lunar hollow]

you dodge the spit and try to get it aggro'd on someone else to get behind it

no like

there's hardly anything u have to do against it

no dodging or anything

no attack sequences

[ember hornet]

dodge back and forth until vomit bonk repeat, yeah

[gloomy yarrow]

Imagine if you could burn the slime trail

[ember hornet]

better the plogryn

[lunar hollow]

its more like a "wait 30 seconds-5 minutes depending on if you have someone with bolter, thammer, or flamer"

[cyan notch]

u dodge the vomit and you have to kite well

[ember hornet]

plogryn is 0 threat whatsoever

[cyan notch]

u can also bait melee

[lunar hollow]

plogryn at least moves at a moderately faster pace

[ember hornet]

bonbon makes me recognize there's a monstrosity

[cyan notch]

its alot of space management

[lunar hollow]

its just so boring

[cyan notch]

plogryn is just a moving punching bag even less brain activity

[lunar hollow]

i dont have an issue walking around in a circle on a map

[ember hornet]

I'd rather have a real threat like bonbon

than nothing

[grizzled jasper]

Why would you dodge vomit when you can use it for faster travel

[lunar hollow]

plogryn is easy too but at least if its aggro'd on you you kind of have to look at it to dodge attacks (unless u have fs)

[ember hornet]

you have so many good shield clips

I love it

[lunar hollow]

bon also has one of the dumbest fucking hitboxes ever

[cyan notch]

it poses like 0 threat

[lunar hollow]

im so confused on where the exact line is on "you can see the model but cant hit it" and "you can see the model and hit it"

[ember hornet]

plogryn be like https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxM8OEHEvqeq-Ipc4ezaRZiJDQs2zRptgW

[lunar hollow]

its tail is just impervious to damage

[static agate]

Unless your near edges

And it pushes ya all out

[ember hornet]

0.2 melee and 0.1 ranged modifier

[lunar hollow]

i didnt even know u could deal damage to it

[ember hornet]

this plus the fucky collision boxes

make it super annoying at times

[lunar hollow]

also the only time ive ever taken real damage from a BoN is using thammer

ive been toughness broken by plogryns on accident before

[cyan notch]

yea cuz the slam goes through toughness

[ember hornet]

I was once eaten by bonbon because the game bugged out on a full thrust swing

and the full swing took like 5 seconds

instead of releasing automatically when it was supposed to

[lunar hollow]

the best is charging at a bon full frontal

swinging

you hear and see the impact

no change to the health bar

[ember hornet]

I would love to play this game with good hit reg

sounds like a dream

[lunar hollow]

if only

[cyan notch]

its weird

vt2 didnt have hit reg problems

[near wyvern]

VT2 is running from P2P

[ember hornet]

this game and battlefield 3+ have the worst hit reg issues I've ever experienced

[near wyvern]

If you have good connection to other players on that you have good hitreg

For Darkride if the hamsters are shit it's a constantly shitty experience for everyone

Dedicated servers are only as good as the servers are

[lunar hollow]

more like noncommittal servers

with how bad they are

[cyan notch]

i dont know about that even with bad ping u had good hit reg in vt2

random ghost bullets/melee was basically unheard of in vt2 regardless of ping

[dusk sierra]

Is shred worth it for ilissi

[olive ember]

Ehhh

It’s alright

[static agate]

Theres better options

[olive ember]

Imo you are better off running unstable power

[static agate]

Or Slaughterer

[olive ember]

Well first thing is are you running slaughterer

That’s should basically be first blessing that every FS runs

And then the 2nd blessing is just wte works for you

Typically something like unstable power or deflector

Shred is alright

[dusk sierra]

fair, melk had T4 shred and t3 unstable on a sword

although it's meh stat wise so was wondering if the blessing was worth grabbing

[near wyvern]

Perhaps the P2P model was coded to give client side advantage? Dedicated servers use probably server is always right as their logic so when server and your client are out of sync due to hic ups the result is ghosting and bad hit reg

[ember hornet]

in this game server decides basically everything

even animations

which is why movement and animations stop working at high ping

[lunar hollow]

once you have high ping you basically cant do anything in the game

[granite dust]

So i did "Going out with bang" ...

• build 1-1-1-1!!! (Kinetic deflection) - 3 -3
• sword with Deflector (for passive peril gain)
• map Comm-Plex after 1st event

... it turns out it's pretty easy 🤪

@obtuse moth - once again thanks for tip bro 🙂

[cyan notch]

yea but u still have one player as host and the others are clients im assuming its the same thing and the host is always right

[ember hornet]

at least that way you could have less than 60 ping in a good region

how the fuck do I have 60 ping in US east

[ruby plover]

i swear to god

it used to be

am i taking crazy pills i really didnt have particularly noticeable hit reg issues the first time i played this game

for several hundred hours

and then i came back after a few months and everything is just fucked

[ember hornet]

I've had hit reg problems since cbt

it has gotten worse on occasion though

[obtuse moth]

grats! happy for you

[kind jay]

anyone know how to spawn a beast of nurgle IRL? i'd like to get eaten. because otherwise i have to go to the florida DMV today

even my incomparable mind cant defeat the dmv

[west galleon]

Call in a bomb threat but say
"Legally issa prank" at the end

Im sure they will appreciate your humor and help you with your process afterwards

[kind jay]

i could just bring a spider

that should clear out most people

[near wyvern]

You go eat at taco bell and one will appear in the toilet

[karmic copper]

what is the damage% cut off with perks, for Trauma staff to 1 hit kill flak/unarmoured horde?

is a 68% too low?

[deft pulsar]

have you tried Apex?

[ember hornet]

nah I also hate BR as a genre

[deft pulsar]

the hit reg in that is next level bad

[ember hornet]

just use a controller and have the game aim for you

I wish we could just ban controllers as an option for shooters

like make it sentencable to 1 year in jail time

unless you can't use hands well or whatever of course

[lunar hollow]

hook up a controller to darktide once and fatshark sends the pinkertons to beat the shit out of you

[long wharf]

Well CBT will do that to you

[worthy moon]

Is shredder auto pistol still good on Psyker?

[long wharf]

it's still good on everyone

ridiculously so

[worthy moon]

What’s a good build for feats and what stats, blessings and perks should I be going for? I know I need pinning fire and that’s it 😂

[hasty holly]

Thoughts?

[devout sentinel]

blaze away is good too

[worthy moon]

Thank you! Guessing I max stopping power, damage, ammo and collateral and dump stat mobility?

[leaden thunder]

mobility mainly

collat you want like 60ish

[worthy moon]

So a mix dump stay between collateral and mobility then?

[leaden thunder]

yeah

[worthy moon]

Any tips on perks? Thanks so much btw

You are all so knowledgable

[leaden thunder]

flak + maniac is the usual for stuff

[worthy moon]

And blessing?

I’m writing it down 😂

[leaden thunder]

pinning fire + blaze away with pinning fire being more important

[worthy moon]

Sean, you’re a legend! I’ll see if I can find a video online that mentions what feats to use

Thank you so much for your time 🙂

[leaden thunder]

[kind jay]

finesse too low but its usable if you put slaughter on it

and change melee damage to flak or maniac

[brazen basalt]

had a weird event right now. overheated and went into a selfpop animation, then instantly popped, without the usual delay. do you know why that might've happened?

[hasty holly]

Thanks!

[ionic needle]

312233
Shredder: +Flak,+maniac with pinning fire, blaze away
Illisi: +flak, +maniac/+unarmored with slaughterer, deflector/unstable power

[olive ember]

If you are running deflector FS I highly recommend taking peril block over kinetic shield

[ionic needle]

Shredder dump stat is mobility and to some extent ammo if you can manage it. Illisi you want as low warp res as possible so you won't have to rub your blade as much to keep peril high. I'm not sure how good first target is on it since I mainly use it for clearing hordes.

[rich rose]

what feats are peeps running for surge staff?

[ionic needle]

I'm running 111212 whenever I go purg mode

[shadow wigeon]

212122 with Slaughter 4 boosting soul blaze - for purg

[ionic needle]

Isn't wildfire kind of... Bad?

[olive ember]

Yes

[shadow wigeon]

No, it's under rated. It has a lot of benefits. It helps with charge gen from AB because you'll get fire on many more targets. Which means you can drop Communion.

And it procs Slaughter, so you can fight in melee with full Slaughter stacks passively

[olive ember]

You’re giving up 6 stack warp charge

[shadow wigeon]

while get toughnes from WA

I doens't matter

[olive ember]

It kinda does

Wildfire is also glitched as shit

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire is fine. I switched over 100 games ago

Went back to Battery and I miss Wildfire right away.

[olive ember]

Surge staff I run 3/1/2/1/3/3

Same thing as my autopistol build tbh

Meh

I don’t find I need the extra charge gen or the extra poxwalker damage

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire lets you do more melee with Purg

And more AB with Aura

• helps your team, of course

[olive ember]

It’s just not that useful imo

Your purge staff will burn hordes anyways

Literally infinite cleave

[shadow wigeon]

Purg staff only burns hordes you can see

Wildfire keeps going

You don't need to be a fire turret

[olive ember]

Wildfire won’t add or refresh stacks for any targets with more than 4 stacks

And wildfire also doesn’t transfer stacks if the target it comes from only has 1 stack

It’s like, glitch upon glitch that hurts it

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, none of that matters for clearing hordes

[olive ember]

Yeah and wildfire isn’t needed for clearing hordes

It’s just not good

[shadow wigeon]

It is

[olive ember]

Idk you can use it but

[shadow wigeon]

Like, battery feels worse now

[olive ember]

It’s rly not that good

How is battery not good?

[shadow wigeon]

Because it doesn't matter that much

[olive ember]

????

[shadow wigeon]

2 charges = 8% damage, sometimes, which isn't important with Purg

[olive ember]

The ability to kill every shooter, through walls and cover, within a 30 m cone doesn’t matter much

But the ability to spread flames to 10 more poxwalkers is

[shadow wigeon]

6 stack AB vs more frequent 4 stack AB

[olive ember]

Guess we can just disagree idk

I don’t find the ability to press F a few seconds faster needed or worth giving up 6 stack burn into shooters

[shadow wigeon]

It's not 10 pox walkers, it's often all the pox walkers.

including going into spawn

around corners

[olive ember]

Especially when I’m using purge staff

[shadow wigeon]

across the room

[olive ember]

Even then they are poxwalkers

[shadow wigeon]

The point is you don't spent time killing them, you go and melee things

while proccing toughness and charges off them

[olive ember]

I guess if you rly want a melee centric build, but at that point I’d just use an autopistol tbh

Melee melee melee

Whip out pistol and spray at closest threat

You could even bring the 4 stack AB

That is an autopistol build

[shadow wigeon]

That's... not purg at all

[olive ember]

It isn’t but

[shadow wigeon]

The point is there are other builds for Purg

then just fire turret

[olive ember]

I guess so

[shadow wigeon]

5 stack Slaughter to take down a crusher while you are passively killing the horde

and getting toughness

is cool

And more elite kills feeds into Aura

[primal plume]

cant wait for hadron to ruin it

come on

can be saved

if the next blessing is good

[median valley]

Hey, sorry to rehash some old stuff; is Unstable Power something that stacks with peril -- and if so, how so. There is little which is explicit in the terminology or general information. Thanks, nerds 🙂

[shadow wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-it-down-liz-lemon-tina-fey-30rock-finish-gif-20051338

[primal plume]

what am i gaining

[leaden thunder]

crit chance

[primal plume]

can be saved

[median valley]

broken on patch; regrettably. But if you know, you know.

[median valley]

You got this.

[olive ember]

A stack gives + 2/3/4/5% power based on blessing tier

You can get up to 4 stacks based on peril thresholds 20/40/60/80%

So basically if you have a t4 unstable power you get +5/10/15/20% power at peril thresholds of 20/40/60/80%

[primal plume]

Which one is better

[median valley]

OOOOOOH. Okay. Thank you for the clarification. None of this was obvious. Thank you so much 🙂

[olive ember]

Yeah no prob it’s explained rly poorly

But then again we’ve seen how they’ve changed warp nexus so

Dunno if I want em to touch the tooltips lmao

[median valley]

For sure, this really clarifies this for me. I saw it and thought "Boo 5%" and replaced it with deflector III 😢
only to find out I, uhhh... Might have frigged this one...

What happened to warp nexus other than spelling?

[olive ember]

Nothing, they just changed nexus to “Harnessing the Warp”

And fucked up its tooltip even more

[median valley]

Right. Yeah; seems unnecessary.

[void mural]

Fatshark is just reliably terrible at writing tooltips that actually tell you what something does

Including messing up localization strings now too

[sly anvil]

psykers just gain now💪🏿

[olive ember]

I mean that only means we getting nerfed sooner or later

[median valley]

Yeah, I have faith in the team to make gameplay content, but story/tooltip (didn't think I'd bundle them) leave something to be desired.

[sly anvil]

no way they nerf us w e already kinda suck

[olive ember]

Eh expect the illisi and deimos to get nerfed

[void mural]

Fatshark is amazing at creating engaging gameplay, fantastic atmosphere, knowing how to make nuanced first person melee combat... but they're shit at basically everything else about making a game

[olive ember]

Probably also expect the autopistol to get hit

Maybe the antax

[median valley]

I feel like for a lot of the story arcs there was a piece that was lost to the homogenization of the individual archetypes to fit a mold for a Christmas/Holiday release.

[olive ember]

Idk people say the combat is good but eh it’s better, but imo it doesn’t stand up to the dedicated melee combat of stuff like chivalry and especially mordhau

[median valley]

Like core programmers know where it was at, but suits want capital.

[void mural]

Bugs and glitches like crazy, terrible weapon & blessing balance, awful crafting systems, idiotic RMT things

[median valley]

Morhau fucks, but that's a different thing to incorporate altogether.

[limber heath]

chivalry and mordhau are pvp centric though, no?

[olive ember]

I mean yes but you could probably port some of that stuff over to a pve game

[limber heath]

lots of what makes them good is the interaction with other players and how you can outplay.

[olive ember]

Hell they already have a meme hoard mode

[void mural]

Its really good melee combat when compared to the rest of gaming. First person melee is shit in 95% of games

[olive ember]

Oh yeah don’t get me wrong

It I’ve been hearing phrases about how darktide melee combat pushes the boundaries or wte

And it’s like

[median valley]

I play both Chiv 1/2 and Mord and yeah; that's tough shit to incorporate into a PvE like this. I do like the differences between them. They offer something different; especially for controller players.

*played Chiv1

[limber heath]

I haven't played mordhau but i don't remember anything particularly special in chivalry that would have any meaning if it were ported to something like darktide. At least so long as poxwalkers are incapable of parrying you.

[olive ember]

It’s good, but comon… you got 4-5 inputs, lights, heavies, block, and block push, maybe a special if your weapon has a decent one

Of these inputs

[median valley]

Chiv1 was clunkly; but Mordhau has quite tight mechanics -- but again; this is PvP and not PvE for the most part.

[void mural]

The thing about darktide vs mordhau and chivalry is that there's nuance, but it's also much easier to just pick up and play

[olive ember]

I mean chivalry 2 was made specifically to be easy to pick up

[limber heath]

like in darktide it doesn't matter if you decapitate a poxwalker from the left or the right

[long wharf]

Chivalry 2's melee combat is waaaaay more nuanced than Darktide

totally different genre of play

[void mural]

I bounced off of mordhau because of how unintuitive it is to just pick up and start playing

[olive ember]

Chiv 2 is prob the best starting point for like

New players

[median valley]

For sure. A more accessible skill window with a lower ceiling. Mord is sweaty (I say that as a sweaty lol)

[olive ember]

Chiv 1 is clunky and etc etc and dated now

And yeah mordhau def has the most fine tuned melee but

Def for the tryhards and the sweats

[median valley]

I do like the nuance and what has been there in Mord for melee and mechanics; however for gameplay purposes I do like what Darktide brings to the table -- much like Vermintidd2

[foggy tangle]

is transfer peril garbage on trauma?

[olive ember]

Yes

Only works on lmb

[median valley]

Actual question: Is there anything "worth it" on the chain axe that other weapons do not already offer? It feels like a hasty shoe-in for a power-weapon.

[olive ember]

The chain axe?

It can one shot crushers I guess on zealot

So it’s a worse thammer with a bit more horde clear

But overall it’s mediocre honestly

Prob the best chain weapon out there but it’s competition is the eviscerator and the csword

[leaden thunder]

main deal with it is it takes a bit to get used to

you generally can't just light spam your way out of stuff

but it's pretty decent imo

decent being like mid b tier

with proper blessings

without at least sluaght it's pretty bad

[gritty gyro]

whats the best toughness option for psyker im running force sword and staff

i feel like warp charge with psychic communication is but idk about the venting one because im running 2 peril based weapons

[leaden thunder]

the venting one is all venting

including passive

it is very strong

[gritty gyro]

i was originally thinking venting one but for big hordes on higher difficulties i wont have time to step back and vent if im alone

does it include the ult vent or does that not count

[spice veldt]

it does, but you'll have time if you dodge backwards

[leaden thunder]

literally anything that reduces your peril counts afaik

[spice veldt]

quelling is very fast nowadys

[leaden thunder]

so passive quelling, active venting, ult, blessings that reduce peril

the passive that reduces peril on kill

[gritty gyro]

ok thx

the trick i use to quickly increase my heat is charge sword and use quick swap button (which i set to one of my mouse buttons) to swap back and forth so i can quickly charge without slowing down

idk if anyone else does that

[spice veldt]

it's nice for the obscurus and deimos

the force sword specials don't slow you down when activating them unlike the other activation weapons

I like quietude since I usually get enough toughness from melee

[void mural]

Warp charge toughness is good if you take KB and BB a lot.

Warp absorption is good for illisi, trauma, and voidstrike

Toughness from quell is great with illisi stroke spam, and in general, especially with staves

[gritty gyro]

i uses void but i mostly like using melee

[spice veldt]

I like quietude since I usually get enough toughness from melee, so I only need it for ranged encounters which quietude provides

though I also run the trauma staff which generates more peril than void

[wanton terrace]

Pretty good role

Are these any good though? I was gonna stick with my force sword

[ember sentinel]

its not bad but its worse than force swords

devils claw is very middle of the road

usable but not amazing

[late yew]

none devilclaws are good

[gritty gyro]

do i need to have peril already charged up in order for the venting toughness to work or do you not need any

[late yew]

literally worst weapons in the game lol

[ember sentinel]

nah they arent that bad ive gotten use out of devils claw mk 4 in damnation

it can at least horde clear

[wanton terrace]

just first time i ever got a 380 power anything ahaha

[late yew]

still the worst

[ember sentinel]

what makes you say that?

[late yew]

name me worse weapons

[hidden crystal]

A rusty spoon.

[ember sentinel]

slab shield isnt all that great due to it not working correctly

recon lasgun is not great

chainaxe

all of the chain weapons are at least on par with it but worse in my exp actually

[late yew]

chainaxe infinitely better lol

[ember sentinel]

idk chainaxe has really good blessings and isnt unusable but from what ive used of it its just very janky and its horde clear is weird

it can do it esp since it has slaughterer and all that

it has the ability over devils claw for sure

cause it can kill carapace/elites really well

but id probably feel better fighting a dense horde with devils claw

[spice veldt]

you'll need peril to quell for quietude to give toughness; quelling at 0 doesn't work

[gritty gyro]

thought so

[ember sentinel]

id also say shovel is worse

thanks to the cleave limit

[hidden crystal]

Essence Harvest is also somewhat notable as the only thing that can potentially work with a gunpsyker (as Psychic Communion can get you charges from any weapon or your allies' kills), if you're a type who likes to play that way.

[void mural]

Quietude works with illili stroke spam too on gun psyker

[ember sentinel]

yeah illsi + quiettude is super good

there might be better options if your running deimos but if your using a staff its still fine

esp something like trauma that builds it really quick

[void mural]

Yeah, but point was that it also works for gun psyker

[ember sentinel]

oh nvm i thought you were still talking about the staff + sword question my b

[void mural]

Nah

[ember sentinel]

i did not fully register what you replied to

[hidden crystal]

Well, I'm running a Blaze at the moment; I've yet to get an Illisi with a combination of Blessings I like.

[void mural]

Illisi is good without blessings

It's pretty strong by itself

[ember sentinel]

if you get slaughterer you can pretty much have whatever in the second slot

[void mural]

I played with nothing blessings on my illisi until I finally got slaughterer last week

IMO, doesn't even need slaughterer to be great, but of course it's better with it

[ember sentinel]

yeah slaughterer just takes it to an absurd level

even pre slaughterer my illsi was doing everything i needed it to

[void mural]

Slaughterer is just stupid OP

In general

On every weapon

[ember sentinel]

yeah lol

[hidden crystal]

Reasonably, yes, but the Obscurus I've got has great stats, and T4 Slaughterer, so finding an Illisi to beat it is a bit tough.

[ember sentinel]

bull butcher does the same thing with it

[void mural]

shrug I hate the obscuris swing pattern

[ember sentinel]

idk why theres multiple slaughterer esque blessings but they are just worse

[void mural]

Also, you can earn that slaughterer blessing and put it on all future force swords

[ember sentinel]

yeah i was gonna say illsi is so much better than obscurus its probably worth to just sacrifice it once you get a good roll

[void mural]

Because they had multiple teams or separate people making blessings, and none of them talked to each other, so their usefulness and power level is ALL over the place

[ember sentinel]

illsi with t4 slaughterer is a one man army

you know that makes sense

i just saw like decimator on an axe and i was like this is just worse slaughterer lol

[void mural]

Yup

[ember sentinel]

still good but

just not as insane

[void mural]

And that power on elite kill blessing

Like... that should give something like 20% power on kill or something significant

[ember sentinel]

yeah elite kill ones i find need to be buffed a little bit

[hidden crystal]

It doesn't, as far as I know, transfer from Obscurus to Illisi.

[ember sentinel]

usually its just not enough of a boost to be worth taking over the slaughterer type ones

it cant just be deimos to illsi right

[void mural]

Most blessings need to be buffed, slaughterer and a select few things need to be nerfed

[void mural]

Force swords share all blessings

They're all blaze force swords. Weapons share blessings between marks

Psyker staffs are the only weapon type to break that rule

[shadow wigeon]

FWIW "Blaze" Force Sword it the base weapon type. Illisi, Deimos and Obscurus are the weapon sub types.

[hidden crystal]

Is it? I thought it was the other way around, but I may not have been paying attention.

[void mural]

They're all blaze force swords of different marks

[quasi pier]

The thing about decimator or headtaker is they are better against bigger entities since you get the bonus without killing

The main problem decimator has especially on psyker is losing g stacks with push attack

[void mural]

Yeah, but the bonuses of each blessing should be roughly commensurate with each other, and with the difficulty that they're triggered

[hidden crystal]

Well, I'm pretty sure it didn't when I looked before; I have the T4 Slaughterer in my blessing library anyway (I pulled it off something from Melk's), and when I last looked at my Illisi blessings I really had very few options.

[void mural]

An on kill effect shouldn't be so vastly superior to an on weakpoint hit or kill effect

[hidden crystal]

But I'll look again later.

[void mural]

I've put t2 slaughterer on all 3 force sword types from the one time I found slaughterer

[shadow wigeon]

They share blessings

[ember sentinel]

yeah i agree

i swing one heavy attack into a horde and im at max stacks

[void mural]

Yup

[hidden crystal]

Well, this still means trying to find an Illisi with decent stats and which already has Deflector on it so I haven't got to lock out blessings to get that on there.

Because losing Deflector is kind of a deal breaker for me.

[void mural]

That's fair. Get one with either slaughterer or deflector and install whichever one isn't on it

IMO, you could even do with just getting a decent base rated one and putting deflector on it and ignoring the other blessing

Illisi is that good

[late yew]

slaughterer vs unstable power though?

[void mural]

Slaughterer

[ember sentinel]

slaughterer def better

[void mural]

No contest

[ember sentinel]

i run both

but slaughterer is better

[olive ember]

Surge staff is meta see

[ember sentinel]

both is technically optimal

hey i like surge staff

[void mural]

It has more clutch potential

[olive ember]

… wat

[void mural]

There are a vast number of things that deal with hordes

Not many things can stun EVERYTHING

[late yew]

someone here was saying that surge akin to revolver lol

"too niche"

[void mural]

Just bring an illisi

Hordes are done

[olive ember]

Purge is literally the go to carry staff…. Surge jsnt a good clutch imo

[magic burrow]

Surge staff is the soccer mom of weapons. Change my mind.

[late yew]

no

purge so massively overrated

[olive ember]

Biggest problem is that you can’t deal damage and horde clear/damage at the same time

[void mural]

It's good at clutching multiple disabler spawns and dangerous situations. It makes room

Just bring an illisi with and and you've got hordes covered

I don't personally like surge, but I see why people do, especially with some of the crazy spawn modifier levels

[olive ember]

I mean elites by themselves aren’t that scary, and the purge can stun most things anyways

[hidden crystal]

I've tried that, but it didn't hugely impress me. I think it was left with whichever blessing gives power on chained weak spot hits, which is... not exactly great on something that isn't really focused on hitting weak spots.

[void mural]

When you have 4 crushers backing you into a corner, they are

[olive ember]

Surge won’t save you if you are last alive and need to deal with a horde and two mutants

Purge can

Kill the horde and create space to dodge mutants

Also if you are getting cornered by crushers I think there’s a bigger problem

[void mural]

Of course everything has its own niche and is better and worse at somethings

Surge will stun those mutants though

[olive ember]

Well yes but I don’t think surge is a clutch staff is what I’m saying

[olive ember]

You gotta be able to target the mutants through the horde

[void mural]

Clutch as in, can stop bad situations from happening, or rescue you from them. There's tons of weapons that can clear a horde like a purge staff. Not with quite the same efficacy, but good enough

[olive ember]

It’s but purge staff literally trivialized horde and can stun or melt pretty much every other elite/special

[void mural]

So can an illisi

[magic burrow]

https://puu.sh/JFdMI/d7691cafc0.jpg

[olive ember]

Not nearly as well

[magic burrow]

this fucking mission select man

[olive ember]

An illisi won’t save you from 4 maulers

Or 2 mutants through a horde

Well it can for the latter

[magic burrow]

why is there so much low intensity

[olive ember]

But it’ll depend on how much room you got when the mutants show up

If the horde collapses on you right as they come by prepare to get screwed

[void mural]

Like I said, not with quite the same efficacy, but I'm saying that a surge staff can stop more potential run ending situations that not many other weapons can

[hidden crystal]

(I do want to like the Illisi though, as my gunpsyker loadouts are mostly focused on a Headhunter autogun or Kantrael XII, and thus not exactly amazing against hordes)

[olive ember]

I mean I’d disagree

[void mural]

I say this as someone that doesn't like playing surge or purge, so it's not that I like surge more, just that I've seen it used to this effect

[olive ember]

The surge staffs unique ability is stun locking and for stopping mutants

[void mural]

Yes

[olive ember]

It won’t save a run that’s gone bad

Because it only targets 5 things and when things are going bad you need to create space

[void mural]

It will stop more run ending multi elite spawns from nuking your team by creating space

[olive ember]

Multi elite/special spawns can be countered by literally every staff tho besides mutants

Sure it won’t stunlock them but normally a simple knock is enough

[hidden crystal]

(I'm not sure it's a great build, but I eventually got on best with a marksman playstyle, and the idea of having to grind up a sharpshooter to have good gear since they changed the RNG in the store is just draining).

[void mural]

Yeah, but it does it without charging, and instantly. Point being, it's the premier stun lock. Not saying it's better than purge, but that it's role as a preventer of deaths is greater than a horde clearing flame thrower

[limber heath]

does uncharged surge chain to 5 still? (new to psyker)

[void mural]

I don't even like playing surge, just it's good at what it does

[limber heath]

or fuck is surge even the zappy one

idk the names yet

[olive ember]

I mean I just disagree it’s good in a team oriented space where you lock down specials for your team to deal with

But as a clutch weapon

[twilit flicker]

Yes

[olive ember]

It doesn’t do enough damage

[void mural]

That's the point, it saves teammates, it doesn't kill stuff

It prevents bad stuff from happening

[limber heath]

it sounds like you guys don't even disagree LOL

[void mural]

Someone about to take a crusher overhead? Stun

[olive ember]

Idk surge is a support tool, not a clutch tool

Or a carry tool for that matter imo

[limber heath]

seems like there's major skill issue in articulating here.

[void mural]

Yes, that's the same thing. It supports the team by preventing bad stuff

[kind jay]

i clutch with surge

[void mural]

It doesn't carry, it prevents

[kind jay]

but pla buff it

[severe socket]

Hey all, is the psycher fire better or worse than the flamer now, or do we not know?

[olive ember]

I mean the problem is that you said the surge staff has more clutch potential than the purge

[void mural]

It works against flak better than flamer now

[olive ember]

The surge is nice but it’s not a clutch staff is all im saying

[hidden crystal]

(I've got three great curios for my psyker, but all but one were bought pre-store change - since then, I've so rarely seen any blue curios in the store with a maxed-out blessing and perk... at least a useful perk, anyway. The bonus XP perk can go boil its head.)

[void mural]

Clutching is preventing a wipe or a bad situation. Not carrying the team

[severe socket]

I have a teammate I like playing with. He likes the flame staff and I like the flamer. We’re trying to figure out who should switch for Damnation runs

[void mural]

Well, flamer has been nerfed to be mostly a horde weapon. Purge has the same role, but works a little bit better vs other targets I think

[olive ember]

I think when people say “I clutched” they refer to a situation where they quite literally just solo’ed a bad situation

Not that they stunned 2 crushers that were targeting a teammate

[void mural]

A moment of action that saved your teams ass, or pulled someone out of the fire

[olive ember]

This is dumb we are literally arguing about what the definition of clutching is

[orchid shadow]

As a Surge main, It has it's little individual clutch moments, but Surge isn't going to be the thing that saves your team when you're the last one alive and facing off a mixed horde.

[ember sentinel]

well it is important in this context

[void mural]

Yeah, but most weapons won't either

I guess trauma could?

Especially focused channel trauma

[olive ember]

Every staff can stun pretty much everything in game. The only standouts to this is that trauma can knock crushers and surge can stunlock both crushers and mutants

[ember sentinel]

yeah trauma could so long as it doesnt run into peril issues

[olive ember]

I guess bulwark as well

But for 90% of the games enemies every staff can kill or cc them

The rmb on the purge staff will literally stop a pouncing dog

[void mural]

Really? Never seen someone do that

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I’ve seen someone try to rmb a dog off me which doesn’t work
But before they are attached to someone purge rmb should stun dogs

[late yew]

What is up with hound hitboxes

Time and time again i see myself dodging them

but they teleport onto me anyway

[olive ember]

They’re screwed up again

After mutant patch

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/12yco2f/re_the_dogs_being_borked_again_definitely_borked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/12yhkzg/dogs_are_fixed_guys/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[hidden crystal]

It's particularly egregious when playing with the 3rd person mod. You can see how far they missed by, but nooooooooo.

[late yew]

I love when dogs fly verticially up

i wish that stayed

[void mural]

I've never seen a point in this game where hounds weren't broken and doing that

[late yew]

so how do you dodge them

i see people dodging them sometimes

[void mural]

That's the fun part! You dont!

[hidden crystal]

Usually by triggering my ult, to be honest.

[ember sentinel]

I dodge to the side and push and the same time

Its the most consistent thing ive found other than ult or just suppressing them

[void mural]

Yeah, dogs can occasionally be dodged, but it's entirely up to ping and luck

[olive ember]

They fixed it two patches ago

[void mural]

Everything about dogs is still fucked

[olive ember]

But then last patch when they reverted mutants to actually function

They fucked up the dogs again

[void mural]

They still do the rapid 720 spin delay before pouncing

[clear heath]

dogs are just always fucked

[ember sentinel]

I didn't have an issue with dogs in the last patch

It was just mutants that didnt work

[void mural]

Knocking them off players has always been inconsistent

[clear heath]

i feel like they're easier to push now but it looks 10x more glitchy when you do fail the push

[kind jay]

i like when you surge a dog and it goes into space

[void mural]

What will and won't knock them out of the air is entirely up to chance

[olive ember]

They implemented a fix for dogs which worked but broke mutants (they would literally run through you)

[late yew]

also, do you people upgrade items only to blue when hunting for blessings?

[clear heath]

they just kinda teleport on to me

[olive ember]

So they implemented a fix for mutants

That fucked the dogs over again

It’s great

10/10 fatshark

[hidden crystal]

To be honest, a lot of my ult uses are for hounds. Either to stop them pouncing me, or to knock them off another player.

[kind jay]

spaget code

[void mural]

I just wish they weren't so damn tanky! Gutter runners were just the right amount of hp, because they were assassins after all!

[kind jay]

one dev fixed stuff, another fixed something in the same file and didn't bother merging code. most likely what happened

[ember sentinel]

I agree 100%

It just lets them get away too easily

[late yew]

assassins also were way faster

[hidden crystal]

Usually, yes. I think it's less likely to get a good blessing than the orange upgrade, but it's about 200 or 400 plasteel (depending on whether you're upgrading from grey or green) to get blue, and then... what, about another thousand to get to orange?

[void mural]

They're so damn hard to hit, they shouldn't have so much hp

[ember sentinel]

Why they surviving my bb

[late yew]

OH GOD

PSYKER WITH REVOLVER

[olive ember]

I mean arcotash thinks dogs shouldn’t die to one BB

[void mural]

Fucking eww

[olive ember]

Most of the tryhard players think two BB are fine for dogs

[ember sentinel]

Ew

[olive ember]

I think they are masochists

Kekw

[void mural]

Yeah

[kind jay]

revolver is fire af. if you're in malice rofl

[late yew]

I do that most often

[void mural]

They're all the players that cant have fun without playing hi5 shock gauntlet

[ember sentinel]

It just feels like of all the enemies to survive 1 bb, it shouldn't be a disabler

Except muties

[void mural]

For real

Mutie is fine because they're entirely an entirely predictable meat shield

[ember sentinel]

And they dont pin you till there dealt with

I might get killed by everything around me

[void mural]

If you get hit by a mutie, it's your fault, unless there was 3 of them

[ember sentinel]

But im not screwed if someone cant get me up

[void mural]

Yeah

[olive ember]

I mean I had an argument for like 30 min with @spice veldt and @cyan notch two weeks ago

Over it

Idk they were adamant that I had a skill issue or something

[ember sentinel]

I get they take a bunch of melee damage too

It just feels weird

Dogs are in a weird spot a enemy that takes control away from the player until they either die or it gets knocked off is not something everyone will like but when its inconsistent it makes it worse

[kind jay]

we are all trash the eyes of hadron, derpy

[ember sentinel]

True

Hadron would in fact tell you skill issue after bricking your 50th staff in a row

[kind jay]

it really is our fault

[spice veldt]

I like the melee focus of the game so that's part of the reason why I'm fine with mutants and hounds

[ember sentinel]

Im fine with mutants

Hounds im fine with if they didnt feel as janky

[spice veldt]

hounds are manageable if you just dodge-slide backwards to have an easier time pushing

or stick around a corner

[ember sentinel]

Is dodge slide better than dodge push?

[spice veldt]

I find that the dodge slide gives a bit more distance initially

[olive ember]

I’d prefer dog melee if they didn’t go flying everywhere

[spice veldt]

dogs are bouncy balls yeah

[olive ember]

Like I literally don’t know where the fuck it is half the time after it rag dolls all over the place

[spice veldt]

not a big deal except for the one time where I got flanked by a flamer and trapped myself between a corner and stairway

[olive ember]

Doesn’t help that in the heat of the moment I’ll sometimes try to light attack it and that just causes it to rag doll even more

[spice veldt]

and lost 70 hp trying to gank the dog as soon as possible

[mental rock]

this is why marking elites is key

[spice veldt]

it's key, but I can't mark elites behind corners

that was a moment where I had just dealt with 2-3 dogs

and another dog came

not much time for me to mark them

and I had to back away past a corner to not get pounced, breaking my sightline

[olive ember]

Marking elites is key until the hounds rocket ship out of your pov and then land behind you

[spice veldt]

dogs being so bouncy is annoying I agree with that

wish they didn't reset their pounce while getting staggered

or at the very least, it resets more slowly when staggered

I think I just need to get more used to using my staff LMB to stagger them though

[ember sentinel]

Void does it well cause even low charge RMB staggers

[kind jay]

or just stand behind the camo vet

[spice veldt]

very true

[ember sentinel]

Also do snipers sometimes just randomly shoot you with no warning out of spawn/prefire you when you walk around a corner or am i just bad

Its very annoying given i for from full health to 25%

[olive ember]

Pro strats right here

[kind jay]

yes they do

[hearty python]

I wish I could PW the dogs off myself

[spice veldt]

snipers give you like half a second to react which is often not enough when my attention is on something else

and since my reaction time is just shit

feels like fatshark just took their 13 year old 100 ms reaction time kid to test snipers and called it a day

ESPECIALLY WITH PING

[kind jay]

honestly i think you should be able to ult out of disablers

but that might be a bit much

[ember sentinel]

i have 150 something ms reaction time and they still catch me sometimes if i dont see the laser in time

[spice veldt]

trappers and hounds are basically countered by our ult

[ember sentinel]

i dont mind not being able to ult out of disablers just cause i think them punishing being alone is good

[spice veldt]

so at least for psykers, I think we're fine on that part

just a matter of knowing that the hounds/trappers are there in the first place

[ember sentinel]

and also requiring a team to help you get out

[kind jay]

tru

[ember sentinel]

i say as i get myself killed helping a teammate out of a trapper net for the 5th time in a row

[spice veldt]

skill issue if you get pounced by a hound that you didn't hear because they were in a closet right next to you

because it's good map design to have closets right next to players

and specialists not making noise sometimes when they're in closets

[kind jay]

yeah nothing should ever spawn right next to you

[spice veldt]

that's the one jank that I absolutely hate

I've gotten killed sooo fuckin much in consignment yard from dogs that pounce from that door

going up that stairway or in the section right before it

[ember sentinel]

omg when trappers shoot me the second they get out of a trap door i want to flip my desk

[tropic vigil]

are stamina curios ever worth having or just health is best?

[ember sentinel]

like sorry i couldnt dodge when i was fighting a horde of 100 dudes

[spice veldt]

I don't run kinetic deflection, so stamina is basically essential

[ember sentinel]

i dont use them even without deflection but they are good

[olive ember]

Stam curios are could if you spam push attacks a lot or block alot I guess

[spice veldt]

I also prefer toughness since I don't take too many consecutive hits that often

[olive ember]

I personally run 2 hp and a stam but yea

[spice veldt]

yeah stamina is not too essential now that the illisi exists

[tropic vigil]

i currently use 20% health, 1 wound, 20% but willing to drop 20% for stam if its worth.

[spice veldt]

but I prefer it as an extra safeguard for guardbreaks

[ember sentinel]

id drop the wound

personally

i generally run 2 health one toughness

[tropic vigil]

i like having the extra wound so i can be more reckless but ill try a few matches wo

[spice veldt]

wound seems fine for that usecase

if I like to monkey around, then wound seems fine

[ember sentinel]

fair enough

[spice veldt]

if you get guardbroken a lot, then I'd stamina

[tropic vigil]

ive been trying to get going out with a bang lately

[spice veldt]

otherwise, you don't really need it

[tropic vigil]

so mostly the reason

but i suppose if i did drop the wound id have an excuse to let the vets peak first

[spice veldt]

oh no i have to tie my shoes right behind this corner

carry on, fellow brethren

[tight saddle]

Does this even work on Void staff?

[ember sentinel]

im not sure

if it does its likely still worse than transfer peril/warp flurry

[tropic vigil]

i have it on mine i feel like it doesnt do shit

3 stam the max right?

[spice veldt]

ye

neat curio with stam regen

I recall something about 75-rating stam curios being bugged

showing 3 additional bars in the psykanium but only 2 in-game

not sure if they fixed that though

[gloomy yarrow]

I think I saw something in the patch notes

[late yew]

Met absolute blockheads of a team

2 psykers and 1 vet

[tropic vigil]

i can see

[late yew]

Guess what they were doing against assassination boss

Stood in the furthest corner and spammed ranged

one of them that psyker with reolver btw

I pretty much was the only one doing damage to boss

[ember sentinel]

i hate when people shoot the boss shield

like bro

its weak to melee 😭

[tropic vigil]

i have 8 stam bars atm

[gloomy yarrow]

I was that

Guy

[late yew]

wiith revolver?

[gloomy yarrow]

Don’t know

[spice veldt]

oh i assume you're running something like an axe with 8 stam bars

[tropic vigil]

i think something is bugged

cuz when i swapped to my force sword that has +1 stam my total stam ended up going down to 7

and unless im missing something but my staff doesnt add any stamina so idk

[kind jay]

the only gun that actually works on captain is bolter

it just sorta melts the shield

idk why but hey

[olive ember]

Eh the autopistol... works

But generally just don't use guns on boss shields

[ember sentinel]

what doesnt the autopistol do

other than kill carapace

[olive ember]

the boss shield takes 3x or 4x melee dmg idr which one, but it takes 0.5x ranged damage

so its just better to slap his shield down and then unload imo

[ember sentinel]

thats what i usually do when im not psyker

i just stick to melee if im pysker

esp deimos

[tropic vigil]

yea meat grinder is adding one stamina

[ember sentinel]

also can i do anything about his like shield burst move that sends you flying when his shield is getting beaten on

[foggy tangle]

best void blessings?

[ember sentinel]

warp flurry/transfer peril

[olive ember]

either back against a wall or just don't be near him

[mental rock]

quell peril and flurry

[kind jay]

you can use kinetic shield to actually prevent your toughness from breaking

[olive ember]

he also tends to do a toughness break move when his shield gets around 50% hp so

the idea is the run away once you hit his shield low enough and then run back in

[ember sentinel]

ok i was hoping i could dodge it or something

i only dislike it cause it takes my toughness down to 0

and then i get hit by whatever random shit is in the room

[kind jay]

yeah someone should be handling trash

or 2 if it's the big room

[ember sentinel]

tbh usually its me but in random lobbies people dont like to melee the boss so i end up tanking it

even though with illsi id be better off just horde clearing

maybe ill just start running deimos purge

for assassination

so i can handle either situation very well

not that illsi cant

[kind jay]

imo the boss isn't even the most threatening thing. it's pretty safe to fight other things while dodging his 5 year long telegraphs

[leaden thunder]

which assassination mission

[ember sentinel]

its only an issue when he pulls the gun out

[leaden thunder]

obliuette is pretty easy

but the train one

[ember sentinel]

cause then you just get stun locked

[late yew]

Deimos deals such great damage to the boss

[kind jay]

chasm terminus i think

[late yew]

probably best weapon overall for the boss

[leaden thunder]

that one suck

[kind jay]

that one has specials from all corners

[leaden thunder]

people just fold instantly on that map a lot of the times

[ember sentinel]

yeah i mean that one

where snipers and bombers and mutants show up

[leaden thunder]

I think obliette spawns like

[ember sentinel]

then the boss starts blasting you for not being in melee

[leaden thunder]

maulers or ragers

and that one spawns shotgunners

[ember sentinel]

its just trash

[leaden thunder]

and gunner

[ember sentinel]

hes usually dead before it even happens

[kind jay]

it's cause people like to fight him near the window for some reason instead of near pillars you can use for cover

[olive ember]

maulers and ragers tend to spawn after boss is dead its kinda funny

the other one spawns shotgunners and yeah

its a pain

[hidden crystal]

Well, having checked, yes, I was mistaken - and it's useful to have found that out today, as Melk had a Deimos with T4 Deflector, and I wasn't going to bother spending the credits on it because I'm not that interested in the Deimos, but I now have both T4 Slaughterer and Deflector in my collection, so hooray.

[kind jay]

someday ill have t4 slaughter

[stable silo]

Dont tell people that some have a rage that pushes them to khorne for deflector

They hate it with a passion

[hidden crystal]

Well, I've been saving up a few Illisis when I've seen them in the store, and unfortunately my attempt to consecrate a base 371 one didn't yield either Slaughterer or Deflector, but attempt two came out nice enough:

Thinking I'll replace the T2 slaughterer rather than the T3 Deflector (the extra block saving is nice, but just blocking ranged attacks at all is the main bonus).

It's not as good as it could possibly be, but should give a decent impression.

[ember sentinel]

Yeah replace t2 slaughterer with t4 and youll be good

Change something to flak

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I'm thinking the specialist damage. I'd like extra block efficiency (it's nice with deflector, lets you weather gunners for longer), but the Stamina will help with that a bit.

[tropic vigil]

how much health is recommened? just whatever is comfortable?

[hidden crystal]

After some more polish:

[ember sentinel]

Yeah whatever your comfortable with

I might take at least some amount of +health though

[olive ember]

rly depends on player preference

I personally take 2 hp and a stam/wound

some peopel take 3 hp curios

other people take 3 toughness

i've seen 2 tough/ 1 hp or 2 tough / 1 wound or 2 tough/ 1 stam

[tropic vigil]

i managed to land on 192, and thats with 1 wound

[olive ember]

you can even run one of each tbh but yeah

[tropic vigil]

i can go up to like 222 though

[olive ember]

222 you either need god roll or 3 hp

[hidden crystal]

I've got one hp, one wound and one stamina.

[olive ember]

I believe I'm running 20% hp and 21% hp and my max hp is like 218

[tropic vigil]

i have uhh

[hidden crystal]

With a couple of perks adding to it, I'm at +29% hp between it all.

+3 stamina is definitely useful for Deflector.

[tropic vigil]

this is what ive typically been running with

oops thats the new one wrong pic

sorry for picture spam

this lets me get 222, idk what it would be with 3 20%s

[olive ember]

ah yeah having the +8% max hp from the perks will push you over to 222

[hidden crystal]

Well, if you've got some plasteel to spend (it takes about ~400-ish to the point that rerolling becomes free), you can use the reroll mod to get those +4% perks to +5%

[tropic vigil]

can i? i rerolled both before for a while could never get it to 5%

[olive ember]

its just low chance

[tropic vigil]

i see

[olive ember]

prob use a reroll mod

[tropic vigil]

ill do that

[olive ember]

there are people in here that took like 3k rolls to get their desired perk

[hidden crystal]

It might take several hundred (or a few thousand) attempts, but you can tell the mod to look for a specific perk at a specific rarity.

[tropic vigil]

could i fix the %8 revive speed on the laurel as well then?

[hidden crystal]

Yes.

Probably.

[tropic vigil]

ill prob just start rerolling myself for a lil

since i know its actually possible at least

[hidden crystal]

Well, I'd use the mod.

[shadow wigeon]

You should just get the mod

[tropic vigil]

but also if theres a installation guide for the mod

[shadow wigeon]

If you want peak gear… don’t bother withOUT reroll mod

[cold geode]

bah, steam is down due to maintenance

[hidden crystal]

Once you've got the mod, you don't really have to settle for whichever perk you reroll being less than T4.

[shadow wigeon]

takes about 15 minutes - at most - to install mods, and it’s dead easy.

[hidden crystal]

There's a lot of useful mods, one way or another.

[tropic vigil]

from nexus mods?

[hidden crystal]

Yeah.

[tropic vigil]

that and the darktide mod framework thing ye?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah. You’ll need to put a few folders into mods direct. Add some lines of text to the mod file. And run the patcher and you’re done.

Each time darktide updates with a patch, you’ll just need to run the patcher again.

[hidden crystal]

Yes, you need to have the mod framework and loader first before you install anything else, but it's not especially difficult.

[tropic vigil]

ok

im watching installation vid now

[hidden crystal]

A few I like are Chat Block (makes your character block when you're in the chat screen), Ration Pack (shows how many reloads are left in ammo packs, so you're guessing a lot less as to whether you should pick up ammo now or not), Clean Force Blocking (makes it so you can actually see while blocking with a force sword), the Minimap mod (makes it a lot clearer when the rest of your team have karked off and left you behind dealing with stragglers)... and while this is more of a personal one, I also like Perspectives. (Which allows you to go into 3rd person).

I've got it set up so it puts me back into 1st person when aiming or using brain bursts, but third person is actually quite nice for melee; gives you more peripheral vision.

[tropic vigil]

Whats the verbage i would need to get the reroll mod to work?

i understand that im supposed to name it as the file name is or something like that

nvm i see

[spice oar]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-wizard-money-gang-we-gif-27562272

[tropic vigil]

that wasnt as bad as i was expecting it to be

typically i avoid mods because i cant seem to install them proper

[candid lava]

enjoy mate

scroll over the top 50 mods as well, some very useful qol stuff

[tropic vigil]

ok. its working. so it just selects rarity 4 but im cycling between which level 4 i want right?

ill take a look and see im sure ill find something nice

[cold geode]

you can enable the drop down that lets you select a specific perk to find

[hidden crystal]

You can, if you wish, tell it to accept lower rarities, but there's no real reason to do so.

If you were really short on plasteel and trying to get rid of a useless perk (like something that gives bonus damage versus carapace on a weapon that does no damage vs carapace), you should just turn off the mod in its settings and roll manually until you get something acceptable.

[tropic vigil]

wheres the drop down

[hidden crystal]

Hit Esc, and look under the new "Mod Options" category for "Reroll Until Rarity".

[shadow wigeon]

F4 to get to mods menu

[tropic vigil]

ty

neato

[hidden crystal]

The options for the mod are in there; you can set maximum number of rerolls, desired perk (which may not necessarily be available on a specific item - no bonus flak damage on curios for example, so in this case it would never find a match), desired rarity, and things like shutting up Hadron and turning the mod off when you want to roll manually.

[tropic vigil]

as much as i like hadron i can see why it would be necessary with this

i just got ally revive 4

though, could i refine a blue item with a level 3 perk, refine it to level 4 now. then upgrade it to purple/gold and refine those perks later as well?

to avoid the lock

[hidden crystal]

No.

If you refine any perk on an item, all later perks will be locked out.

[tropic vigil]

ok. that makes sense