Looks fun to mow everything down
#psyker-class
worthy moon
supple skiff
plasma does seem to be in a much better place now
run into the same problem when I have a vet with one in my team. Not a bad problem to have, mind you.
empty mesa
Seem little busted but I haven't used it
Personally 2 vet, ogryn, zealot is best all rounder setup
idle bay
Best part about new plasma - you only need to reload it when you need to reload it, and not for cooling it. Casually venting it even it combat feels good enough
supple skiff
I've had butter smooth damnation runs with all kinds of comps. Quad psyker, 3 orgyns 1 psyker, one of each, 2 and 2. the only time I feel like Im missing out on something is when a team lacks a way to quickly drop shooter trash
and that seems to be rarer and rarer lately
supple skiff
if there is staff overlap it can suck yeah
had a run with double void, one purge and one surge and it was great
and some with one or two folks using guns. Honestly I think its double surge that can really fuck it up. They really need to get out an equipment loadout preview before missions.
ornate hamlet
That's what psyker is for 
empty mesa
and some with one or two folks using guns. Honestly I think its double surge tha...
Another thing fart shart will never do 
Wouldn't it be nice to know what you team has
Just add a tab function that let's you see
idle bay
Wouldn't it be nice to know what you team has
There is a mod for that
empty mesa
Haven't seen it, will check
empty mesa
Used first before
Latter didn't work for some reason
Would still prefer a menu rather than models
Can even show feats
idle bay
QoL improvements count as HERESY in Fatshark Creed
empty mesa
what feats do you guys like with gunker?
feels like theres a few options but all seem somewhat unreliable
leaden thunder
if I am gonna run gunker I am gonna do asendant blaze auto pistol gunker
orchid shadow
feels like theres a few options but all seem somewhat unreliable
I run 3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 3. I use Illisi and brain burst a lot for high peril to power Warp Unleashed with the Shredder
mental junco
such a nice distribution ffs
atomic forum
what feats do you guys like with gunker?
these are what I run
rigid needle
Docket shop doesn't have equivalents of the duty raiment?!
or is this a bug that I don't see them
late yew
What is better for wildfire, purgatus or trauma with blaze on crits?
late yew
or this one
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/81
this one much better?
worn cypress
wildfire kinda pointless on purgatus imo
mental junco
wildfire is very good on purgatus
it help to stack blazesoul very quickly to high stack
late yew
So i am trying this build
with this
Would like trauma with blazing spirit
but don't have one
mental junco
blazing spirit is unrealible
late yew
btw, must target specifically die from fire to spread it?
late yew
blazing spirit is unrealible
which is why i am not going to charge balls
just spam them using quell cancel
mental junco
i tried
late yew
basically tapping R-Left-Click-R-LC-R-LC
mental junco
u better try it once
the crit is not very often
and 3 ~4 stack is not very damaging
late yew
and you also must stack slaughterer on your melee for wildfire to really do damage
mental junco
by the time u can stack 2 times blazing (6~8 stacks) ...., enemy already killed by the explosion
if the effect of the blazing thing can be doubled
i will certainly consider that
and, by using the crit chance on peril and blazing, u lose the slot to use the transfer peril
which for both flurry charged shot or spamming R shot, is extremely helpful
grizzled iris
Anyone confirmed what Harnessing The Warp does? Still Crit chance or?
shadow wigeon
Blazing Spirit on Void is pretty bad, sadly.
To make blazing spirit great, you need to apply stacks (ideally 4 if you are using wildfire), then switch to your Slaughterer weapon to power boost all the flames.
But Void doesn't really want you to weapon switch, it wants to be main damage dealer. It doens't do enough CC for you to be able to apply flames and then walk away.
cyan notch
Anyone confirmed what Harnessing The Warp does? Still Crit chance or?
yes crit chance
late yew
To make blazing spirit great, you need to apply stacks (ideally 4 if you are usi...
same can be said about trauma really
it is one staff that you can use without EVER switching to melee
while with void you kinda have to switch if enemies got too close
civic jungle
How does the slaughterer + soulblaze work?
soulblaze dot ticks count as your weapon damage so slaughterer buffs them?
shadow wigeon
Fire Trauma works pretty well:
- When it hits, it applies to many targets, and you know how many stacks (but you really want 4....)
- They're all CCed when you hit, so you have lots of time to weapon switch and go kill other things to start Slaughter going.
- It's much easier to apply a lot of stacks with Trauma
shadow wigeon
soulblaze dot ticks count as your weapon damage so slaughterer buffs them?
Yes, Slaughterer +power buffs all your soulblaze. Any kills (including from soulblaze) will proc Slaughterer, so it will keep itself going.
Wildfire is quite fun, but the only way it works is to apply a bunch of stacks (at least 4) to a decent number of enemies, switch to Slaughter sword, and then either get some Slaughter stacks by killing something, or if something just died to soulblaze, that will probably start the engine on it's own (by buffing all the stacks, more kills = more slaughter, etc.)
Eventually it just runs itself through the horde, and will deal a lot of damage to elites it catches as well.
civic jungle
so something like this, but ideally blazing spirit 4 instead of 3
shadow wigeon
But you have to make a judgement call when you have "enough" blaze stacks, to switch to weapon... and stay on weapon.
civic jungle
and I guess a higher harnessing the warp too
shadow wigeon
so something like this, but ideally blazing spirit 4 instead of 3
I have been running it with Blaze 3, and it works, b/c 3 stack SB with Slaughter 4 is still pretty strong, but ideally 4 stacks and then you know ONE application from Trauma is enough.
shadow wigeon
and I guess a higher harnessing the warp too
Yes, if you get max Harness on that, up the crit perk to 5. It will do quite a lot of fire. It's not STRONGER than other builds, but I have no problem getting top damage, and it's very fun.
Also I am doing this with Slaughter 4, haven't tested Slaughter 3, in case it matters.
civic jungle
Yeah, I have this sword to use with it
shadow wigeon
Definitely worth trying, it's really fun. I just keeping blasting until I'm happy there's enough fire, then switch to sword and watchn the wildfire spread.
void mural
well then, I got exactly what I wanted from just consecrating for once
civic jungle
Also an Illisi if that's preferable
void mural
well then, I got exactly what I wanted from just consecrating for once
What's good perks for trauma?
shadow wigeon
Also an Illisi if that's preferable
I think either works. I was using Ilisi, but I ran the same buidl with Purg, and used Deimos... and there's no trouble getting Slaughter stacks up quick. So I think either works, whatever you prefer.
Ilisi is definitely a bit easier to instantly go to 5 slaughter stacks
grizzled iris
What's good perks for trauma?
Unarmoured and Flak
shadow wigeon
@civic jungle If you are feeling like a madlad, you can give up Communion for Aura.
civic jungle
What feats do you use?
civic jungle
wrack and ruin sometimes felt kinda meh to me, but maybe I need to use it and then acquire slaughterer stacks 😄
shadow wigeon
You just want fire stacks on EVERYTHING. So WAR, dumb though it is, means that when you BB an elite, you are
Feeding Aura to get faster AB
Adding stacks, so that if a vet kills that target, you still can proc a warp charge from AB.
It is a fun build, that is still competitive. I've used it on everything but shock hi (where I go back to WU/Communion to be safe)
civic jungle
inner tranquility no longer considered that good?
leaden thunder
more like warp unleashed is really good
shadow wigeon
For this build, you don't really care. You're burning your stacks all the time.
leaden thunder
and peril quells so fast
shadow wigeon
Tranq is good for super efficient Surge builds
leaden thunder
it is just less needed and warp unleashed is incredibly good now
civic jungle
guess I should try WU more
shadow wigeon
@civic jungle You will not always have 4 stacks when you AB with this build. You sort of don't care. If you have 4 stacks, great, weapon switch, good to go.
If you have 3, you may want to top it up with Trauma fire (but you may not know that you critted, unfortunately)
If you have 3 or fewer.... it's still blaze stacks = change to proc AB warp charges, and you got a push off.
So lots of flexibility
But honestly it feels like you have a meteor summoning staff.
Oh, and don't full charge shots into a horde if you want to proc fire. Lots of little shots for lots of fire application.
rich rose
What I run for surge
civic jungle
I'll see how it goes--I tried this last night with purgatus staff and it seemed a bit pointless because purgatus just kills everything in front of me anyway
But I'll give this a try 😄
shadow wigeon
I'll see how it goes--I tried this last night with purgatus staff and it seemed ...
You have to WANT to switch off staff and melee, for fun. With Purg, I agree, I kinda fell back to standard play. But Trauma plays differently with the strong CC.
civic jungle
I do love using the force swords, so that may be me 😄
shadow wigeon
Yeah that's why I play it. Being a flame turret is great, but I'd like to have more flexibility. Best to try Fire Trauma if you're pretty experienced at the game and have good situational awareness. You gotta make that call when it's time to weapon switch.
spice veldt
at least with trauma, the CC can be used to set up kills for your melee or to deal with the enemies that ruin the fun of melee (crushers mostly)
shadow wigeon
at least with trauma, the CC can be used to set up kills for your melee or to de...
And the fire you apply can be at pretty long range + they're CCed
@civic jungle The reason for WU, btw, is that when you want to just smash big things with Trauma, you're always at high peril, so you're probably getting full benefit.
Tranq is good for Trauma too, but your warp charges are less consistent with this build, so you're not reliably getting full benefit.
That's the theory, anyway
scarlet mountain
erm any one else notice some missing text 3-12% what?
leaden thunder
crit chance
spice veldt
fatshark description-itis
scarlet mountain
this is my first fatshark title
spice veldt
same, though I've been hearing some tales of incompetence in their past games coming to this game, so my expectations were relatively tempered
scarlet mountain
still fun just painful at times
spice veldt
yeah; the game is at the very least very polished where it counts for the most part
magic burrow
the core gameplay loop is a lot of fun
scarlet mountain
except the rng grind reminds me of WoW
summer prairie
It's most likely not missing text, just a reference that's not working. They probably have a Dev branch with more blessing changes and they only pulled some changes to this branch
steel egret
Ive had stuff like <string value 4-8 etc as my blessing description and its on same level with launch descriptions with me.
Its so bad it doesnt even matter to me anymore
Probably handiwork of same guy who wanted to use bars as indicator instead of values.
gilded magnet
Should I go with L or R?
thinking of taking off blazing spirit and replacing terrifying barrage with it if i do go with L
which is why im after the crit
void mural
Unarmoured and Flak
oh wow, so that's just about perfect then?
hybrid solstice
Should I go with L or R?
I would take left just purely on the fact that it has better damage and blast radius stats
gilded magnet
aight ty!
civic jungle
Yeah that's why I play it. Being a flame turret is great, but I'd like to have m...
hm, so I feel like the full wild might be a bit much for me, not having communion to passively generate warp stacks makes it harder to use AB to blaze hordes since I need to use trauma -> get crits -> get kills on flamed enemies for 10% ea -> find another horde and trauma flame them -> swap to sword and build slaughterer
(Or I guess BB more enemies at long range)
shadow wigeon
(Or I guess BB more enemies at long range)
That’s why WAR actually pays some dividends here.
Also, you don’t need to use AB to blaze hordes. Sometimes you do, sometimes you is use it to push and apply soulblaze (any stack count including 0 is fine)
late yew
Should I go with L or R?
barrage trash. Get blazing spirit from right one and install it on left oner
gilded magnet
ty!
shadow wigeon
hm, so I feel like the full wild might be a bit much for me, not having communio...
Communion is a much safer bet. If you take Aura, you are actively choosing to AB more, with lower (sometimes..) warp charge gen. So You're using your ult for venting, pushing, stacks and 4-stack blaze. Whatever is possible at the time.
idle bay
This Void staff is just asking to become Blazing Void staff. Re-roll one Perk and get second Blessing as Warp Nexus.
shadow wigeon
This Void staff is just asking to become Blazing Void staff. Re-roll one Perk an...
It's worth trying, but I found it very underwhelming. Yeah but that's a free hit right there if you have marks to burn
idle bay
It's worth trying, but I found it very underwhelming. Yeah but that's a free hit...
I know it's underwhelming and weak as kark... But i still want it for some reason i can't rationaly explain 🙂
shadow wigeon
I know it's underwhelming and weak as kark... But i still want it for some reaso...
Hey I'm there with you, I tried it, I'm ONLY saying it in case you're short on marks. Otherwise.... gotta try em all 😮
My problem with Void was that it didn't apply to enough targets to make it really worthwhile (compared to Trauma)
idle bay
And hands hurt a lot after using in machine-gun mode.
i'm swimming in marks anyway.... it's not like Melk brings good things to my psyker anyway.
shadow wigeon
That is a near perfect meme staff set right up for you
idle bay
"Interesting Void staffs i never use" Collection
idle bay
I will not use BOTH 🙂
They are there just for collection
Game never gives me good Surge staffs that are step away from perfection, it can give me a good grey that gets 100% KARKED by Hadron. Same for Trauma staffs. But at the same time - gave gives me Void stafs like that
i Have never ever seen a good Trauma staff
novel mauve
Any good or is it just a gimmick that tends to make a lightshow on occasion?
idle bay
At this point i forgot how good stats/perks/blessing on Trauma looks like
novel mauve
I don't have any good staffs for my psyker, I always get the absolute worst staffs from emperors gifts and from both brunt and melk
spice veldt
blazing spirit is a bit meh, and shred has the problem of having its stacks dropped very easily because of the "Chained" condition
e.g., activating your special interrupts your attack chain and drops your stacks like a baby
novel mauve
Alrighty
So the blessings would've been better on the single target force sword then?
Idk again I don't play psyker often, mostly stick to ogryn and zealot because there's less planning involved
leaden thunder
main issue is the sluaghterer exists
ornate hamlet
The blessings are just kinda... eh
leaden thunder
and basically invalidates all other choices
spice veldt
I'm also not too sure since I don't use the deimos much, but I still reckon that it's not too good on it either
ornate hamlet
Yeah, slaughterer kills basically everything else
leaden thunder
so shred + blazing would be fun and neat
but it is just worse
then sluaght
but sluaght + shred isn't too bad
get some pretty meaty crits
civic jungle
guess I don't have to worry about finding a blazing FS then 😄
novel mauve
Ok so what would be a cushy melee weapon for the psyker
Because with what I have I know I underperform when compared to other psykers
worn cypress
illisi/deimos with slaughterer + unstable is BIS
but honestly slaughterer + something else, deflector or transfer peril or whatever can be nice too if you're not just aiming for maximum deeps
leaden thunder
bloodthirsty is another option for the illisi
novel mauve
I want some amount of survivability
My zealot brain on occasion tends to put me in the middle of a hoarde
worn cypress
bloodthirsty is another option for the illisi
I found it to be not really useful since it mows down stuff so fast to begin with
novel mauve
Where a few poxxers can just break my knees
spice veldt
with psyker, you'll probably want to get into the habit of spamming your dodge like there's no tomorrow whenever you're using force swords
wispy robin
Hey siblings, is this worth the upgrade?
novel mauve
I dodge a lot but the squishiness of the psyker is what I'm not used to
limber heath
I want some amount of survivability
looking att the blessings available to force sword i don't think there's anything there that even does survivability.
worn cypress
honestly as psyker main I didnt really feel any less squish doing deflector or the transfer peril/quietitude toughness generator stick
limber heath
you will survive by killing faster
spice veldt
yeah it's rough if you take hits consecutively
worn cypress
but a zealot main friend really liked deflector
novel mauve
Ogryn and zealot I can take a lot of stray hits and not lose health because of the higher toughness
spice veldt
though I find myself pretty much dodging most attacks all the time
novel mauve
Psyker I run into the issue of getting snuck up on and getting folded
worn cypress
yea
shadow quail
Always felt pretty tanky as a psyker
spice veldt
worn cypress
I think positioning is way more important in general compared to other classes
because you really cant deal being in shit position like you could as a zealot
limber heath
i mostly play zealot and am still levelling psyker and i definitely feel that
spice veldt
it sort of depends, since I believe Psyker to be one of the better classes for traversing open spaces unless you're literally surrounded on all sides
worn cypress
like no staff/melee wep combination will really help there
shadow quail
If you're in a bad spot spam clasp and dodge tf out of there
worn cypress
^
spice veldt
and there's also the trauma staff if you ever really need space
worn cypress
miss duelling sword so much for that, what a great GTFO stick
spice veldt
in my mind, the only hard-to-deal-with situations is getting locked down by bombers into an area where you can't kite or ranged enemies that are significantly harder to reliably dodge and will punish you insanely hard if your toughness ever gets peeled
magic burrow
I feel like I keep taking ghost damage. Sometimes I just get downed when being nowhere near any enemy and nowhere near dangerous peril.
worn cypress
honestly tho slaughterer/unstable illi I can hold my ground just fine when surrounded just because of how tits up overpowered the thing is at mowing shit down
shadow quail
my favourite melee, thing is nuts
worn cypress
tho best build for zealot mains transitioning I think is purg staff/illisi. play it like budget flamer zealot
hell I think I play purg staff more aggressively than flamer, it's much faster to swap to staff and puff and keep things away from you
limber heath
psyker stacks health or nah? it seems like pins say that but not sure if there's any personal preference at play
assuming no skill issue of course
spice veldt
i'd say there's a bit of personal preference
I prefer toughness since I figure that I don't take too many consecutive melee hits and ranged enemies are really my only big threat
sucks to get hit by a sniper though and you need to be a little bit more careful about being in situations where more HP would've saved you
e.g., getting squished between bomber fire and a beast of nurgle and lacking the HP to run through the fire
runic nest
I recently saw the recommendation here and switched to health and for me it feels a lot better.
Toughness gets completely removed too often, too easily, and extra health just goes that much further for me.
To give the counter-datapoint ^^
Both options should be playable.
leaden thunder
basically just find out what makes you go down the least
most people it's likely a comination of the two
sometimes it's even stamina
worn cypress
I run a combination of toughness/health, just enough toughness that getting caught by ranged dont eat through it entirely, just enough health that I'm glad to have it
stam feels p good too
leaden thunder
personally I use kinetic shield alot, so I use 2 tough 1 hp on my psyk
worn cypress
I think the guy who's been doing true solo psyker runs uses stam curios
nimble burrow
i got decent equipment for all the staffs in case they change balance again, i don't have much to grind for anymore and can just walk through missions with just good game knowledge... so honestly, some hp is nice in case some idiot hits me with a barrel or lets the burster in from their side lol
nimble burrow
a stam+3 makes things comfy, a wound is nice for 50% more downs, and hp keeps me from being a wet paper bag.
then i roll for toughness regen and dockets on each because I barely feel the rest matter.
spice veldt
i like my sprint eff and stam regen
nimble burrow
mmm i gotta do some testing with that but i bet it's comfy
spice veldt
is very nice
esp since I don't run kinetic deflection, not that blocking is much needed with the illisi
nimble burrow
i'm used to playing a lot of games with base stamina stats and never messed with it
spice veldt
I like to be able to just run around and beat the shit out of enemies with melee
+3 stam and max sprint eff is almost like having four times your base stamina with respect to running with the force swords
leaden thunder
if you remember to use the sprinting ranged damage ignore sprint eff is kinda nice
spice veldt
yeah, very nice for having your stam come back quickly and have high eff so you can run from cover to cover
or just always being ahead of your team so that you can be the first engager
since I hate teammates who aggro enemies early and not having a build that kills clumped up enemies the fastest (trauma/melee locking)
or just hogging all the kills
since I don't find the other curio perks to be that impactful whereas stamina is pretty useful for just being safe while out of position and the values are like 12%/15% max for the stamina perks
since I dislike concepts such as "being in cover" or "having good positioning"
ember sentinel
does damage matter at all on surge?
i got a good surge but damage roll only 50%
but then 75 crit and 78 charge rate
ember sentinel
i wasnt sure if it was so bad at killing things that the damage wasnt a huge difference
shadow wigeon
There’s a pretty big range on surge damage, so it will matter somewhere. But you’re still getting lots of CC, crits have a big multiplier etc. you’d like it to be high, ideally.
spice veldt
its damage is decent when charged
shadow wigeon
Surge doesn’t really have a dump stat.
spice veldt
with the usual caveat of high damage falloff per targets hit and low target count
crit bonus seems to be the dump stat since I don't notice it doing anything particularly interesting besides the minor crit damage and chance
lethal folio
Once you get crit chance high enough, you can sling bolts and bodyshot most stuff.
shadow wigeon
crit bonus seems to be the dump stat since I don't notice it doing anything part...
Yeah crit will have the least noticeable impact. Crits have a big multiplier on non-armored targets, so that’s where it counts more.
spice veldt
oh right i forgot about the LMB
shadow wigeon
Once you get crit chance high enough, you can sling bolts and bodyshot most stuf...
True your primary actually gets pretty strong…
lethal folio
Never forget about the lmb, it is very important on surge.
ember sentinel
oh sorry meant like crit chance stat
i rolled a 72% wasnt sure if that was high enough
lethal folio
That's fine.
ember sentinel
ok good cause everything else is good id be sad if i had to scrap it
im guessing warp flurry/warp nexus are what i want
void mural
What do you do for horde clear with a deimos? I finally got one that's not trash
ember sentinel
tbh i just put slaughter on it and do light attacks
void mural
I was thinking that or heavy, light, light, light, since those all seem to be diagonal attacks that cleave more
ember sentinel
yeah anything with some sort of diagonal
the damage is high enough itll do well enough at horde clear though its not illsi levels or anything
void mural
yeah, just thinking of pairing it with trauma now
but you don't always have room to use a staff in hordes
ember sentinel
trauma in particular is weird up close
spice veldt
I'd say trauma is one of the better staffs up close, esp with focused channeling to cover the stray melee hit if you like to cut it close with your casts
void mural
yeah, it's great for that, just sometimes the situation is too chaotic for that still
lethal folio
Deimos can just lightspam for hordes
void mural
ok, i figured either that or 1 heavy at the start to skip the light thrust
ornate hamlet
I remember the teacher telling us that in class
I don't remember if it was something to do with action and reaction too, with the flashlight's opposing force pushing you back very slowly
Interesting stuff
fierce sinew
yeah like we were saying, any system with energy has mass (because relativity), it's just not going to translate to much force because c is a dummy big number
IE your lasgun shouldn't have recoil, the amount of energy required to move the gun would be burning a hole through every bulwark in the map and probably also breaking the gun
dreamy wharf
tbh that is just down to FPS game design in general. most FPS games do not have realistic recoil at all
leaden thunder
oh yeah most recoil is fucking terrible in games
fierce sinew
realism and fun do be at odds a lot of the time
dreamy wharf
yup
fierce sinew
milsim games exist, just (mostly) nobody likes them kek
leaden thunder
I am pretty sure it is to have you the player be the one countering the recoil
making it more engaging
rather then just
not really having recoil, becuase a most weapons of a caliber used in games don't ahve much when used right
void mural
Do I put slaughterer t2 over the t1, or put deflector 4 over exorcist?
long wharf
enough people like milsim games for the genre to be considered healthy
but the majority of gamers don't play milsim
fierce sinew
the genres mostly nobody likes tend to be the healthiest
long wharf
all depends on accessibility
fierce sinew
windowlickers getting gatekept = good
accessibility = bad
thank you for attending my ted talk
shadow wigeon
Do I put slaughterer t2 over the t1, or put deflector 4 over exorcist?
If you think you're keeping the weapon for a long time, I would keep Slaughter on it (and upgrade to 3 or 4 later). But Exorcist isn't particularly helpful either, and the perks aren't aren't either... so you're sort of safe to do whatever you like, and replace it one day.
If you love Deflector, then I would put that on. You're still getting 50% of the power of Slaughter 4 anyway.
obtuse moth
Do I put slaughterer t2 over the t1, or put deflector 4 over exorcist?
Did you get both of those blessing options on a non Deimos force sword? Even though the weapon has a high stat roll the rest of it isn't really something I'd be looking to use even after modification
void mural
fuck yeah, just got pick and mix on accident!
leaden thunder
nice
void mural
If you think you're keeping the weapon for a long time, I would keep Slaughter o...
Yeah, its my first deimos that isn't shit, so I want to at least try it out now. Exorcist is kinda shit on deimos, which is why I was thinking of replacing it, and don't think superiority is that great, at least not yet, because I'm not good enough to get that to stack up quickly enough to matter
void mural
Did you get both of those blessing options on a non Deimos force sword? Even tho...
Yeah, those the blessings I've got rebless with. I want to at least try out deimos because this is the first non-shit deimos that I've found
obtuse moth
Put whatever you want and roll maniacs for one shotting mutants on damnation. Unstable power is good for that and uncanny strike is also a good Deimos blessing afaik
I'd personally be more concerned with perks and blessings than stat rolls for those weapon though
void mural
Every weapon I've tried works better as a high base roll weapon than great perks/blessings and shit base rating
shadow wigeon
It’s fine. slaughter 1 is already a big power jump as it is. If you like Deflector, add that.
void mural
yeah, there's not really much else I'm thinking is that great for a second blessing
obtuse moth
Unstable power can help guarantee the oneshots
void mural
lol, if i had it
obtuse moth
And uncanny strike is good because the insane damage comes from unpowered strikes
void mural
what's good about uncanny strike? nuking armored enemies?
obtuse moth
It turns every damage type into unarmored basically if you look at the damage vs enemy breakdown
lethal folio
Uncanny lets you run through bruisers and maniacs casually.
void mural
everything except maniac & unyielding?
obtuse moth
Basically a large increase in effective power
cold geode
ive used it vs crushers to nearly one shot them with the 2nd heavy + power up and slaughter
on deimos
void mural
but it'd also require me to be good at consistently hitting weakpoints
I'm really not that used to the strike pattern yet
leaden thunder
just aim at face hieght
obtuse moth
That's the entire point of the Deimos, it'll help when you do land them
void mural
Also, is it even worth it at t2? That's the highest uncanny strike I have
lethal folio
Even at t2 it's fine, that should be enough for the buckethead kill.
obtuse moth
Overhead bias on the weapon naturally will land you lots of headshots
void mural
just aim at face hieght
Yeah, but it's literally my second mission with deimos, so I'm not that good at it yet
lethal folio
It also makes stabbing crushers even better.
leaden thunder
from what I remember of it's moveset it has a really nice one for just holding at headheight and spaming I mean
void mural
Compared to braindead illisi, it takes at least a little bit of aiming to get the most out of deimos
leaden thunder
well that is a pinning 4 blaze away auto pistol in my psykers melk shop
void mural
damn
well, i do have an uncanny strike t3 i can buy from melk now, Probably that's the best thing to go for with that deimos?
lethal folio
I wouldn't buy t3s from melk.
void mural
alright, deflector t4 until I find something better to replace it with, or a better deimos
pearl lion
Did they ever fix the deflector being on illisi by default thing?
void mural
yes
hybrid solstice
Yes I believe so
obtuse moth
they fixed it on deimos and illisi
void mural
that's the only reason that I know that I like deflector, haha
I never tried deflector before that
hybrid solstice
I dont take deflector simply because i dont run kinetic deflection or any stam curios
pearl lion
Ah OK I should actually put deflector on my illisi then
I thought I was taking some hits I shouldnt
obtuse moth
i rolled +stam on my deflector sword, which is curiously more block efficiency than block efficiency is...
hybrid solstice
By the way, is it a bug that all tiers of the +stam perk on weapons only give 1 stamina?
obtuse moth
afaik its not, the bug was that +2 and +3 stamina curios only gave 1 stamina 🤣
shadow wigeon
Dope. On Refinery I was able to start Wildfire going inside both spawn doors, killing 75% of them before they could even make it out. Ran for almost 2 minutes.
void mural
So, there's no difference between the +stamina tiers on weapons?
shadow wigeon
So, there's no difference between the +stamina tiers on weapons?
Correct
void mural
that's dumb
civic jungle
Is inspiring barrage worth going for? 🤔
(psyker shop, but I use the pistol on both psyker and zealot)
leaden thunder
not particularly but the autopistol version is the only good version of it, but it is still competing with 2 very strong damage blessing
civic jungle
better to have blaze away then?
leaden thunder
generally yeah
obtuse moth
ye blaze away pinning fire cavalcade all better i think
autumn smelt
i just had a crazy idea
yknow how perils of the warp explodes and damages enemies
and the damage is just okay
what if instead if brain bursted everyone hit by it
potentially proccing effects that trigger in brain burst, like the soulblaze one with elites
so you could literally have a kamikaze psyker build with nothing but wound curios
obtuse moth
no
it sounds cool, and it would be in a solo game but in a teamplay game with limited resources and disabler spawns its a terrible incentive
hybrid solstice
It would be better if the peril explosion wasnt so weak though yeah
hybrid solstice
so you could literally have a kamikaze psyker build with nothing but wound curio...
but generally speaking if they were to do something like that i would rather see a version where you expend a wound to do it but you dont go down when you do so, so it's costly but not pure grief
autumn smelt
but generally speaking if they were to do something like that i would rather see...
i feel like a feat would do that
and cost half of a wound
cuz 1 whole would would likely be too much on higher difficulties, even with 3 wound curios
hybrid solstice
i feel like a feat would do that
Yeah definitely a feat or something
also half a wound could be doable, you can definitely acquire corruption in increments of less than a whole wound already
autumn smelt
the main thing that would carry this idea something people might run though is more things that could proc on brain burst kill or hit
cuz theres only 3 afaik, the toughness one, the soulblaze elite one, and just getting warp charges in general
though it would be quite a funny way to cheat your way to 6 stacks with warp battery lol
kind jay
playing high peril illy, i notice it for sure
topaz yoke
Hey are there blessings for the force swords or staves that I should be keeping an eye out for in the milk shop that are on the same kind of level as pinning fire/shatter or power cycler. New to psyker and just getting it leveled up
kind jay
slaughterer for force sword
north cradle
Slaughterer goes with anything really. It's the Swift Slaying of Darktide
kind jay
Hey are there blessings for the force swords or staves that I should be keeping ...
fs: slaughter, unstable power, deflector are the usual picks
surge: harness + flurry
trauma: rending, flurry, maybe harness
void: transfer peril, flurry
purge: flurry, i think harness also
probably see a pattern here
fartshark is very creative afterall
i probably wouldnt buy any at t3 from melk except slaughter if youre missing it
primal fjord
What staffs would y'all recommend using the Deimos over the Illisi Blaze Force Sword?
tall temple
wont it overlap since you can just stagger most stuff with the trauma?
north cradle
Lads
long wharf
get it
north cradle
Don't need to tell me twice, I just wanted to boast
What should replace Sprint Efficiency? I actually considered Elite Damage since it would be great against Maulers and Ragers
shadow wigeon
wont it overlap since you can just stagger most stuff with the trauma?
I miss my Deimos when using Trauma
Staggering is good but just being able to remove a mutant is better a lot of the time.
shadow wigeon
fs: slaughter, unstable power, deflector are the usual picks
surge: harness + fl...
Purg: Focus is good too
shadow wigeon
What should replace Sprint Efficiency? I actually considered Elite Damage since ...
Unyielding is a nice option for boss damage.
north cradle
That's a good idea
Man, I know people say Deflector is a bit of a meme blessing, but I do sorely miss it when I need it most
cyan notch
its a meme blessing if u think its just for afk blocking
kind jay
i used to feel that way until i mastered the electric slide
it feels really good to dance in the open and take no damage
always be slidin
rich rose
I love axes - Pysker who Hates Power Swards
spice veldt
don't worry it's the Illsi™ "not-a-power sword"
primal plume
9% lmao
long wharf
get Transfer Peril on there and git gud
kind jay
brick it and show us
shadow wigeon
I mean what the actual range on quell for void and does it even matter.
quasi pier
Negative 33.. does that make it same or less than passive quell? Lol
spice veldt
active quelling now generates peril
too bad I haven't had any banger staffs with 0 quell speed to my memory
primal plume
Potential?
sterile vale
Critical Bonus is a bit on the lower side, but other than that it should be solid
north cradle
Shoutout to Jimmy-Space for clutching a nearly dead halfway point
That was the highest intensity shock troop gauntlet I've ever run
Neat
supple anvil
Was this always like this?
clear linden
Is it still modifying crit?
supple anvil
LOL idk
north cradle
Based and warp-pilled
supple anvil
I do like gaining 2-8% though
supple anvil
clear linden
Mystery box perk
north cradle
What a sight to behold. Only way it could be better is if I could shave a tick off Damage to throw into Cloud Radius
clear linden
Sometimes it's crit chance, other times it's peril
shadow wigeon
Potential?
To exceed the one you have on the right, you’ll need to roll a T4 blessing anyway. If you really want to chase that then the stats don’t matter. Only roll your highest stat staffs and hope for a T4. I’m not sure why you’d want to try to tol@the right one tho.
north cradle
Got 25% Unyielding Damage in 15 attempts
This is truly a blessed staff
Once in a while, Sire Melk delivers
But most of the time it's shit lol
gritty marsh
whats the best blessings for the force swords?
kind jay
slaughter, unstable, deflector
spice veldt
broadly speaking, it's slaughterer
lethal raptor
How do you do the pick 'n mix and malleus monstrum pennances? Most teammates also target specials, same for monster types
ornate hamlet
communicate with your team?
lethal raptor
I try, but no one responds
ornate hamlet
Dont play pubs
spice veldt
commsplex's midevent likes to spawn gunners/shotgunners from the back
malleus monstrunumasndiasd is probably only ever happen naturally if you're the only surviving player
lethal raptor
commsplex's midevent likes to spawn gunners/shotgunners from the back
I'll keep that in mind, thanks
forest coral
Pick n mix with in any specials gauntlet with kinetic barrage and warp battery
It’s not too hard to get it with normal game play
supple anvil
Pick n mix with in any specials gauntlet with kinetic barrage and warp battery
Sharpshooter with bolter: 
forest coral
spice veldt
I got it almost immediately after commsplex was released, though I also had a vet that popped bio optics and was on the other side of the room
was very nice
north cradle
How do you do the pick 'n mix and malleus monstrum pennances? Most teammates als...
Malleus Monstronum: Ask the LFG channels for an Ogryn, hunt for Daemonhosts
Pick N Mix: Throneside Espionage, during the halfway point in the large arena, High Intensity is preferred. But I think you can also get this one on accident fairly easily
Or you can also try during a Hunting Grounds
north cradle
Yeah that could work
Do Pox Puppies not count for the penance?
Or just too chaotic?
forest coral
well it does, the likelihood of ur team mates not opening fire or meleeing
yeah too chaotic generally
north cradle
True
forest coral
the moment someone gets pinned, the penance conditions are pretty much over
now sniper gauntlet on other hand could be a high risk one to consider
north cradle
Ooh good point
tacit jungle
To exceed the one you have on the right, you’ll need to roll a T4 blessing anywa...
do the stats affect getting a T4 blessing? I tried quickly looking into it awhile back but didn't find anything. I'd assume they do but if so, how much?
olive ember
No one knows for sure
There’s been anecdotes that higher base ratings affect chance of higher tier blessings but
fierce sinew
it's been said that they do but if true the effect is minor enough not to consider
olive ember
It’s just that and no one has performed a large enough test
grand arrow
sure seems to be the case, at least at the milk man
olive ember
This would be a fun thing to do for a stats project kek
grand arrow
ive virtually never seen anything below a tier 2 blessing on citrus gear
olive ember
Collect data and perform a p test
fierce sinew
Collect data and perform a p test
I actually made a mod request for a mod to write consecrate results to a local json or csv for exactly this purpose
even babby's first regression model with a few players' data would be much more informative
than what we currently have to go on
which is a bunch of anecdotes and this
steel egret
% of getting surge blessing.
olive ember
I mean it would prob be something like “is the likelihood of getting a t4 blessing significantly different between a >360 weapon vs a <360 weapon
I’m not sure tho cuz like the likelihood of getting a weapon that’s >360 is also a lot lower than getting something <360
idle bay
I actually made a mod request for a mod to write consecrate results to a local j...
Empirical experience from crafting - 360-369 Items are sweet spot for catching t4 Blesslings on consecration.
370-380 items are more likely to get t2 Blessing because kark players and optimization - that's why 🙂
But i'd like to see a data that confirms this
fierce sinew
yeah, it's definitely not """immeasurably complex""" but I've done enough data science adjacent work to recognize when there are enough variables
that intuition isn't going to be very reliable
and we could have a sample in the thousands (or more) in days if the dmf fellas felt like it
idle bay
I've seen a post about ~5000 re-rolls to get desired t4 perk on Curio....
grand arrow
I've seen a post about ~5000 re-rolls to get desired t4 perk on Curio....
bloodborne gem-farming tier levels of stupid RNG
steel egret
Highest Ive seen was 230 or something someone posted picture here.
grand arrow
Highest Ive seen was 230 or something someone posted picture here.
a curio with a 230 roll? jesus
idle bay
and we could have a sample in the thousands (or more) in days if the dmf fellas ...
Can you make an additional request. Store tracking mod - that records Perks on Curios both in Melk's and Armory? Just to confirm that certain perks on Curios have overbloated chances to appear.
fierce sinew
that sounds like something to send to the people responsible for the shop extension
late yew
Petition to add this voice as an option for psyker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpmiq8sTH0k
WITNESS YOUR DOOOOM
summer prairie
You can probably just reroll perks with the mod and keep stats. Almost certain the odds are the same when rerolling
north cradle
I don't know if base stats influence blessings, because otherwise the Peddler would have better blessings on blue items
uneven drift
Armory weapons have t1-t2 blessings is intentional thing, i saw few t3 blessings, but they are pretty rare. So the are no correlation.
uneven drift
What is the bottom numbers? Probability? i'm bad at math don't punch me.
uneven drift
Well, at least we can assume that there are definitely probabilities
summer prairie
I'm doing Combat ability regeneration now and so far it's at least as rare as toughness regen
uneven drift
Seems combat ones are rarer than just passive stuff.
Try gunner res after if you don't mind.
summer prairie
Did a few more and now it's closer to toughness regen
Am I blind or does the mod not have curio chance at all
uneven drift
1011 rolls CA
vagrant hollow
guys do you have any recommended build with autopistol?
vestal raven
guys do you have any recommended build with autopistol?
if u mean feats, 1,1,1,1,3,2
kind jay
fatshark probably already sent the black ships to my house just for mentioning it
vestal raven
40k lore is a crazy place
vagrant hollow
yeah i mean feats
vestal raven
then yeah take those and take all the ammo too
vagrant hollow
i have this one
elfin nexus
i think kinetic shield is better than kinetic deflection for autopistol psyker
troopers are gonna do the most damage to you since you dont have any ranged toughness regen like a vet
that autopistol is good try rerolling the crit chance to flak or maniac instead though
vagrant hollow
yeah i count with that i just have only 17 plasteel left 😂
ionic needle
Go for 25% maniac
Maniac damage on the shredder is awesome so you'll just melt shit with that perk
Not sure about rerolling the crit though, infested isn't great on the shredder
grand arrow
god i love surge
stone pulsar
man i would kill for a illsi with shred and slaughter.
elfin nexus
you mean unstable power
stone pulsar
i don't play the high peril build lol
elfin nexus
Not sure about rerolling the crit though, infested isn't great on the shredder
yeah youre right what is infested anyways
stone pulsar
i use 6 warp charges + peril resistance
infested is exactly 3 enemies: the poxwalker, which is the horde enemy, pox hounds...and the pox burster.
elfin nexus
lol
stone pulsar
infested is not....very useful.
elfin nexus
reroll for sure then
stone pulsar
+% damage vs infested is a better then nothing perk
its still better then something like...% weakspot damage...or % crit damage
groaners are unarmoured and poxwalkers are infested so...
my illsi is a horde lawnmower
i feel like the surge staff needs a buff
at the very least make it hit specials and elites first.
and...make it hit more targets with a higher charge
summer prairie
serene breach
should Trauma staff blessing roll with Transfer peril or Rending shockwave?
stone pulsar
hmm whats that? your documentation of curio perk RNG?
summer prairie
Yes
stone pulsar
wooooow. nice work.
summer prairie
Well it's pretty quick with the reroll mod
stone pulsar
ah. i thought you did it manually lol.
uneven drift
Surprising how low stamina and ca regen.
stone pulsar
i wish CA regen % are higher. its literally -3.6 seconds for any class other then vet which they get -3 seconds at max 12%
uneven drift
It's kinda can be justified for zealot with 2 ults, but yeah, not that good bonus.
summer prairie
Stamina is at 0.39% after 6k attempts with a 79 base curio
The above were with a 63 base
Doesn't seem like the curio blessing rating matters
idle bay
So the theory that some of curio's perks have bloated chance of appearing was..... somewhat correct?
summer prairie
It's almost certainly correct
idle bay
I only seen a something resembling a pattern in the store and based my theory on that observation
summer prairie
But can you tell the difference between, say, 1% chance and 0.5%?
maybe the difference is clearer with t3 perks
idle bay
I disregarded Tiers of Perks and only tracked perks itself, and mostly focused on Melk's, because armory have extra rules at least with weapons
And it was dockets and experience all over
Maybe, again Melk's shop have some extra rules for items it can get.
And it's been months since last time i've seen Curio in Melk's store with 2 Perks i'd considered useful at once.
It's always 1 useful and 1-2 bad.
Well... almost always. And i'm checking every damn day.
After blowing 25k plasteel on trying to get 3 out of 3 (just right perks - disregarding the tiers) with Hadron , by consecrating curios - dropped that idea as nearly impossible. I have higher chance of winning in casion betting on specific numbers in roullete
idle bay
And what are Chance for pure Corruption resist?
summer prairie
Probably 0.4-0.5% for t4 like most things. I guess I should have accepted any tier
but that takes way longer to document
idle bay
And did you calculated Chances without taking tiers of perks into account? Tiers add extra layer of "AND"...
summer prairie
t3+ exp seems to be around 12%, t3+ CA regen ~4.5 but these are after 400 and 800 attempts
idle bay
Just pure chance of perk appearance.
summer prairie
so t4 is probably roughly 10 times rarer than t3
idle bay
Is there enough data for a uncomfortable (for fatshark) posts about - something fishy with Curios perks and question "Why you did this to us?"
summer prairie
If you want to have exp be a thing at all, it makes sense for it to have a higher chance so you can even get one before level 30. They should have just readjusted the chances based on the item "level"
idle bay
It's immesurably complex for them, or they simply does not care to adjust. Or it part of core out-of-missions design - to make players waste as much time as possible dealing with RNG nonsense while trying to obtain optimized gear. Or someone important there being allergic to optimization
There is a bleak hope that pointing bloated perk chances (with data to prove it) - seems like some kind of mistake that should be fixed
summer prairie
looks like the mod logs all rolls, could get the data even easier
idle bay
I mean... you did took an effort to collect the data and make calculations @summer prairie based on your mathematical curiosity. Now you can weaponize it for a positive change 🙂
uneven drift
So, post battle shit have more weight apparently.
summer prairie
E: I forgot the data included some thousands of rolls that already had bcr, so most likely it's in the 3.6 range
idle bay
Block 2.40 - hmm....
rich rose
I have been refining staffs for flak but someone was saying carapace is better??
leaden thunder
no
summer prairie
carapace isn't better than flak on anything
leaden thunder
there is only like 1 enemy that is entirely cara
summer prairie
and usually the worst one
rich rose
I didn't think so
summer prairie
Almost 0% chance of a curio T2 perk when rolling
I guess you can do this with weapons and see if it's different
cyan notch
when i was doing it on my alts a 18% health was extremely hard to roll t4s constantly t2s but 19% could roll t4s
summer prairie
This data is mostly on a 63 rating wounds curio. Maybe 20-25% on a 79 rating one
maybe it doesn't matter for wounds since there's only one tier
clear heath
How are you tracking this? Does the mod keep logs of this?
summer prairie
your session console_log file includes all rolls
so I just paste the whole log into excel and get what I want
clear heath
wow i should try tracking mine later
summer prairie
you can just have it attempt to roll for whatever, preferably one of the low chance ones and it doesn't even take long. It logs all failed attempts so it doesn't matter what you are rolling for
clear heath
I could have it attempt to roll for something impossible so it goes forever can't i?
like crit chance on a curio
clear heath
i hope fatshark doesn't take issue with me leaving it to reroll thousands of times while i leave for 30 minutes
probably not good for their servers
summer prairie
your contribution overall is still small
clear heath
actually wait, there was a cap on the mod anyways right?
summer prairie
3k yes
near wyvern
E: I forgot the data included some thousands of rolls that already had bcr, so m...
30% chance per roll to get a useless thing on it? 🧀
summer prairie
you could easily edit that out I suppose
clear heath
could probably even just edit my config file to change the number
summer prairie
Looking at this thing reroll my weapon perks, it definitely seems like the odds of getting a t2 perk are higher when upgrading than when rolling. We'll see when I get the data and could also be based on the weapon rarity.
clear heath
you could easily edit that out I suppose
lets see if this works
azure flare
should i do the funny fire trauma or make a regular staff
clear heath
you could easily edit that out I suppose
yeah so, it booted me out for being afk at #3904
Apparently you still count as being inactive even while the mod is rerolling
summer prairie
I did 9k weapon rolls and seems to be same odds for everything. For some reason the mod doesn't seem to log unyielding rolls, not that it matters. Looking at tiers now
clear heath
Just to make sure, the weapon didn't have unyielding for the other perk did it?
summer prairie
oh right duh
clear heath
lol
uneven drift
Double unyielding when.
summer prairie
0.89% t2, 88% t3, 11% t4 (379 rated orange)
olive ember
Swap barrage with flurry
Both the perks are kinda E but I’d reroll infested for flak
upper ridge
something like
upper ridge
im not psyker main, idk whats meme and whats not
olive ember
That’s a build someone made for fun it’s not particularly effective
upper ridge
i made it DDDD
olive ember
The dead give away is that he uses wrack and ruin
upper ridge
idk what im doing obv
olive ember
Oh well your build is the same as someone else’s meme build
upper ridge
better?
upper ridge
ill try your way
olive ember
That’s the baseline purge build I’d recommend
And then you can just change it up from there
upper ridge
got this, want to try it out
so this thing only swap infested for flak?
ornate hamlet
I will argue 
olive ember
I mean you can only swap one perk
olive ember
So yeah infested isn’t needed so flak
upper ridge
was asking blessings
olive ember
Actually no I won't, I don't care about purgatus
SMH you a gun psyker?
ornate hamlet
cyan notch
quietitude on top
olive ember
Don’t you know that gun psykers are a waste of ammo according to Reddit?
upper ridge
boy oh boy just leave the gun where in belongs, in vets moist hands
olive ember
I'm a waste of ammo to them, they're a waste of oxygen to me <:loregryn:10365806...
The dude got shit on and then blocked me like a bitch feelsbadman
And here I was having fun farming L takes
Yeah I’d recommend Quietitude but tbh all 3 toughness regen perks work so it’s just based on which you prefer imo
ornate hamlet
Guess I'll poke the bear
olive ember
If you do be sure to mention that he’s a bitch who does suicide reports cuz he lost an argument
This is after he blocked me btw
cyan notch
ratio
olive ember
I mean I wouldn’t rly call it a ratio given how badly he got shit on
cyan notch
cope mald seethe hold that L
olive ember
Lmao so you agreeing with the guy?
ornate hamlet
Also that "beyond T2" hurts me
Dude legit thinks gun psyker is an issue on malice
olive ember
He got baited by my malice enjoyer tag too I think
Considering he was asking what difficulty i was playing on lmao
Honestly can’t tell his takes are just
Dumb as shit
ornate hamlet
Hm...
I changed my flair just to rub salt on the wound
Imagine if Obscurus Sword gets a new addition with special attacks.
Like, Warp-charged light attack cuts through multiple enemies like the Illisi, while keeping the single target heavy attack like the Deimos.
frank lake
are blessings account wide? also is this worth buying?
static agate
Whats best blessings for Antax combat axe?
Considering buying this from Melk so I can take out the Thrust blessing, or keeping it and chhanging out the All or Nothing blessing for something elss
olive ember
They are account wide but only transferable to weapons within the same family
olive ember
Whats best blessings for Antax combat axe?
Considering buying this from Melk so ...
Both blessings are bad you want brutal momentum + headtaker or decimator
ornate hamlet
BM and headtaker are my picks, some people go with decimator
olive ember
are blessings account wide? also is this worth buying?
Both are kinda mid blessings iirc but I don’t use lasguns too much, prob be better off asking vet chat
Just a reminder that those blessings can only be transferred between infantry las
ornate hamlet
are blessings account wide? also is this worth buying?
The MG4 unfortunately is pretty bad compared to the other two lasguns
Some people make infernus builds, but for crit stuff I'd just not use psyker
olive ember
I mean I don’t see the point of infernus
It’s still got rly shit flak dmg since it’s still burn
And you don’t need burn against trash mobs that would die anyways
ornate hamlet
I think Internus's best used on more damaging Lasguns
olive ember
Nope
infernus is only rly useful on recon
Both the mk 12 and lucius fire much too slowly
This is before we factor in the fact that both of those guns do so much damage that they will kill most things in one or two shots
torn hamlet
Which force sword is the best right now?
torn hamlet
why is that?
olive ember
Cuz the illisi will kill everything in like two specials besides crushers
torn hamlet
looking for something to pull out and clear the horde in front of me if I dont have time to quell peril
hmm ok il just have to play with them more
olive ember
Illisi or antax
olive ember
Those are the horde clear options for psyker
torn hamlet
i use that on zealot
olive ember
Then yeah the illisi
torn hamlet
lol rip
olive ember
Like they aren’t bad but
If you want to use a dueling sword just use deimos FS
Which is basically better in every way
olive ember
I mean all 3 force swords are p good
olive ember
People say obscures gets overshadowed but it was considered meta before the two new ones got added so
torn hamlet
ok cool so the new ones are good
olive ember
It’s def still decent just that the new ones are kinda broke
Don’t tell the balancing team tho
nimble burrow
People say obscures gets overshadowed but it was considered meta before the two ...
a weapon with infinite dodges is good, so yes, obscurus was a strong choice even without deflector
they added one thats better than power sword at horde clear, and one that can do a lot more damage to single target, so that's why it's considered irrelevant in comparison.
torn hamlet
so deimos is single target and illis isthe horde clear one?
void mural
@torn hamlet illisi is the go to sword for psyker atm. Put slaughterer on it, and it absolutely decimates hordes, and is decent for anything besides ogryns, especially crushers. But that's what you have BB for.
Deimos is good too, but it's niche is special killing. It's ok at horde, but illisi is way better for horde clearing.
olive ember
a weapon with infinite dodges is good, so yes, obscurus was a strong choice even...
Oh yeah? Well obscures is the best FS in my heart ;-;
void mural
People say obscures gets overshadowed but it was considered meta before the two ...
I always hated obscurus. I never seemed to be able to do anything properly. It was crap at horde clearing unless you landed headshots, and it strike pattern was not very good at hitting more than 1 headshot per swing.
The special charge also was "serviceable", but it always way too long and too much set up to kill a since special/elite. I was never able to do a full charged attack very often because it took too long to hit the final big tick, and I'd always be knocked out of it by a different enemy
olive ember
… I mean I don’t wanna be the guy saying skill issue but uh…
void mural
Yeah, of course people could use it better than me, but the strike pattern was all verticals and the occasional diagonal
You're not going to hit many headshots per swing
And I always found it took at least 2 body shots to kill something if you didn't headshot it
So it was basically single targeting with some minor aoe damage on some of the strikes
olive ember
I mean I cleared horde with it fine tbh
Idk once I got slaughterer stacks up I could kill two maybe 3 a swing
void mural
Any weapon can "clear a horde", but some weapons are kinda crap at it
void mural
Idk once I got slaughterer stacks up I could kill two maybe 3 a swing
That's slaughter being OP, not the sword inherently
olive ember
Well yes but that’s part of the FS
void mural
When I got my first illisi, I didn't have slaughterer until last week, and it decimates hordes without slaughter
olive ember
It’s like complaining about the grey hsword not doing dmg
Is slaughterer broke af yes
void mural
A grey illisi can handle hordes with ease. A grey obscurus can't
void mural
Yeah, but screw you if you don't have it because fatshark RNG
I didn't have it till last week, so I never even had the opportunity to have a slaughterer obscurus
I'm talking about the inherent properties of the weapon, not how it functions as a stat stick for a blessing
olive ember
Yeah the obscures is great
Could use some dmg buffs and the deimos could use some nerfs but
Yeah
void mural
IMO, slaughterer could use some nerfs, illisi is fun, but could probably use some nerfs. I haven't played deimos enough to judge, but so far it does its job of nuking specials, and is "ok" vs hordes, so probably would be fine once slaughterer gets a nerf.
Obscurus could definitely use a buff to something, especially once slaughterer gets nerfed
near wyvern
IMO, slaughterer could use some nerfs, illisi is fun, but could probably use som...
They could Nerf the Deimos lights a bit, although Slaugherer nerf would probably but it in line
void mural
Yeah, IMO, the thing that most needs nerfing is slaughterer, not any of the weapons (maybe illisi a bit, because it's a bit too good at everything)
75% power at max is absolutely bonkers
hollow totem
Is It still possible to tank daemonhost with kinetic deflection?
summer prairie
range
torn hamlet
is the lightning staff any good?
olive ember
Deimos has like twice the dodge distance
But you can tank DH with any FS but it requires investment
Like time and energy practicing quelling between attacks, extra block efficiency and extra stamina
drowsy slate
I dinked some resources into trauma staff
Somehow I don’t know how to use it… what is it good for again?
vestal rose
sending compact groups of enemies flying everywhere so that your veteran doesnt get a moment of peace to click heads
drowsy slate
Can’t even delete crushers
hollow totem
Deimos has like twice the dodge distance
Looking at stats it just 10% difference of dodge distance
olive ember
It’s horde clear with the ability to knock everything besides mutants
olive ember
Looking at stats it just 10% difference of dodge distance
Feels more than that tbh
Tho you can just go into meat grinder and dodge around and feel the difference yourself
hollow totem
Yea i just did that
dont feel much of a difference
In comparioson to illis
illisi* or whatever
olive ember
Should be rly noticeable but
hollow totem
Its 6.5 dodge to 7.2 do get from reaper to the wall
olive ember
Well it’s wte you can use any of the FS
hollow totem
What about FS in general? Is deimos better in other ways too?
olive ember
I mean it’s the best single target
hollow totem
I changed to illisi becouse it was annoying that im getting stuck using power up
It killed me few times
olive ember
I mean the deimos barely uses special
hollow totem
So i should get one with rending? or is it good only vs unarmored?
olive ember
Eh slaughterer
And then it’s rly up to you
A lot of people run unstable power
But some people run uncanny etc.
hollow totem
ok thx for answers, ill run more test, i stopped using deimos quite early, maybe it was a mistake. Ill spend more time in meat grinder
supple skiff
uh, does the kantreal XI do more damage farther away?
im doing some testing in the grinder and i do more damage standing further back from the reaper
this is standing on the edge of the circle in the middle, closer to the target
orchid nest
supple skiff
well would you look at that
TIL
so lasguns do more damage farther out
er some of em
semi's do, autos and pistols do more closer
leaden thunder
all the infantries have reverse fall off
supple skiff
going to have to check out the hellbores on my vet now
void mural
any force sword should be fine?
Yeah, I've done it with other FSs, and especially if you have something to play ring around to rosy with, you can endlessly kite the DH
worthy moon
What’s perks should I be looking for on surge staff?
supple skiff
flurry and nexus I believe
think they renamed nexus tho to harnessing the wapr of something like that
walk off upgrading up from a brunts
leaden thunder
das a good one
replace infested with flak and between the eyes with opening salvo and you are golden
void mural
Honestly, besides ghost and between the eyes, are there even any good blessings for kantrael 12?
supple skiff
does ghost effect suppression
like ostensibly I shouldnt be supressed if im not getting hit right?
leaden thunder
ghost and opening salvo, between the eyes is mostly useless imo
north cradle
Suppression takes place when you don't get hit
leaden thunder
yes
supple skiff
hmm
leaden thunder
it's mainly that I find it easier to move to avoid supression
north cradle
If you hear the crack of a bullet/laser whizzing past your head, you are suppressed
leaden thunder
rather then take up a whole blessing spot
void mural
What's the CD on opening salvo?
north cradle
Depends on the weapon's recoil reset time
void mural
Ah, is there a stat for that somewhere?
leaden thunder
it also puts you over some 1 shot thresholds iirc
supple skiff
have it on an auto gun, ill got test
north cradle
I think Headhunter Autoguns and Infantry Lasguns have the slowest recoil, and Infantry/Braced Autoguns are faster, and Recon Lasguns are fastest?
leaden thunder
the semi auto headhunter's opening salvo resets incredibly fast
supple skiff
but if salvo doesnt hit breakpoints im just as well to keep between the eyes
void mural
So, from what I remember, kantrael 12 has pretty low recoil while ADS, so it should be a pretty quick CD on opening salvo?
leaden thunder
it should, but they are mostly 1 shot bps
north cradle
Actually, do all burst fire weapons count the first trigger pull, or only the first bullet?
void mural
the semi auto headhunter's opening salvo resets incredibly fast
Oh?
leaden thunder
Actually, do all burst fire weapons count the first trigger pull, or only the fi...
only first unfortunately
void mural
Because I like VII HH
leaden thunder
but crits apply to the whole burst
at least last I checked it resets very fast on it
north cradle
Neat, so maybe Sustained Fire would fit it better?
leaden thunder
sorta, but it can't roll that
north cradle
Drat
leaden thunder
and also sustained fire has ass math
opening salvo is just 15% power
sustained fire is like
15% of the weapons damage, but not modified by weakspot or crit multies
supple skiff
hmm opening salvo takes about 1 second between shots
on a mg la
Ill assume thats comparable to the XII
void mural
Oh, right! Now we can see buffs, so we can actually get hard times on when opening salvo activates
supple skiff
disclaimer: im counting out one one thousand out loud so your mileage may very lmao
lethal folio
Ghost+between the eyes together is good, sometimes a reaper groups is annoying you and you want them to stop.
psyker doesn't need opening ssalvo for the good breakpoints
void mural
Ah, but it'd be good for vet
dry oar
I love gaining 4-16% based on peril
shadow wigeon
4% isn't much but 16% is a lot
dry oar
For sure, gotta love it
dry oar
I found it funny that it doesn't even say what you get a bonus to lol
dry oar
simply, profit.
olive ember
I love gaining 4-16% based on peril
bah now imagine if you had the t4 perk
then it would be 5 - 20%
shadow wigeon
20% more??? It's hard to imagine
dry oar
thats bonkers
idle bay
20% ***** enlargement. Fill in * as you wish 🙂
limber heath
what does trauma staff do?
olive ember
it explodes all over the place
drowsy slate
I have a question… when I shoot at a reaper head with 25% unarmored damage do I deal 25% more damage? Or do I need unyielding?
What are the best perks on mkXII lasgun?
drowsy slate
I have a question… when I shoot at a reaper head with 25% unarmored damage do I ...
So i mean is manic like a different armor and infested too? Don’t get that
karmic copper
is bleed worth it for the eventual rework of chain weps?
i only play psyker so not super familiar with bleeds and the damage involved. i know chainswords arent anything atm
olive ember
uhhhh
I have no clue tbh
bleed in general is just rly weak
like literally, the only reason why Eviscerator brings bleed for example is because its got a damage cap and applying stacks of bleed ignores said damage cap
but not because bleed is good but because the eviscerator is so bad
void mural
I have a question… when I shoot at a reaper head with 25% unarmored damage do I ...
You can see what every body part on every enemy counts as on this page. Just click the enemy you want to know about, and it lists what armor type each limb is. The website has lots of good info about other parts of darktide too.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies
void mural
What are the best perks on mkXII lasgun?
Kantrael? From what I heard ghost, opening salvo, then between the eyes
crude trout
I love gaining 4-16% based on peril
it truly is one of the blessings this patch
limber heath
is bleed worth it for the eventual rework of chain weps?
i feel like asking if something is worth it for an eventual rework for which the details are presumably unknown/unconfirmed is not ideal
drowsy slate
Kantrael? From what I heard ghost, opening salvo, then between the eyes
Thought Headhunter and deadly accurate would be nice
olive ember
it truly is one of the blessings this patch
I mean it is meta on two of the staves
but yeah
10/10 rename
void mural
Thought Headhunter and deadly accurate would be nice
Crit damage increases are pretty shit because as far as I know, the crit multipliers are all really low (115%ish), and the % increase you get from blessings/perks affects the 15% bonus, not the 115% total number
Headhunter seems ok, but crits are still kinda meh imo (besides ignoring armor)
void mural
Ah, so would be better then, but it's still kinda eh, because it requires a weak spot hit, and then RNG that it's a crit. If you're really good at headshots, I suppose it's ok, but eh
drowsy slate
How long need the opening salvo counter to reset?
paper gate
"you get 4-16% more"
"more of what?"
"yeah"
void mural
Depends on the gun. It's when the recoil is reset. You can test it because we can see buffs now
drowsy slate
Thanks
leaden thunder
if headhunter was just a flat stacking crit buff on headshots rather then requiring all shots to be headshots then also going away when you crit
then i'd probaby use deadly + it
otherwise crits are too inconsistent
even on a vet with deadshot
peak sleet
trauma staff or surge staff for damnation? I've been using the voidstrike solely since i got it so i'm not sure which one.
leaden thunder
which ever one you like more
as a your primary weapon truama is probably more useful on average if you are good with it
surge is more like a side arm that you pull out to cc and let your melee deal the real damage
shadow wigeon
If you have a good team, surge can carry damnation with all the CC. My preferred staff for high shock. If you use it right, and your team focuses targets, it makes the game a fair bit easier by takin away many of the biggest threats.
For lower difficulty pubs though you're less likely to get that organization, but you'll still isolate/eliminate big threats, you just won't see big damage numbers.
fierce sinew
it's the slab shield of staves
you're entirely dependent on your team being able to make use of the space you create for them
if they're up to it then great
if not 🤡
shadow wigeon
Nah it’s fine I’ve played it on every difficulty with every type of team. You still lots of damage,l to elites and with ilisi it’s gotten even easier. You can’t carry a miserable team though, in the same way other builds might.
peak sleet
awesome, I appreciate all the information guys
late yew
So i mean is manic like a different armor and infested too? Don’t get that
yes
Unarmored, flak, infested, carapace, maniac, unyielding
fierce sinew
they both range from very medium to useful on the basis of things you have very little control over
fierce sinew
I'd rather shield on my team than surge most of the time
would rather both players just used proper weapons though
void mural
Shield fails at one of the main purposes of a melee weapon, damage, but brings something no other weapon has, cover.
Surge fails at one of the main purposes of a ranged weapon, damage, and is better at stunning than any other weapon.
IMO, shield is less useful than surge at its niche, but both are specialized tools that fail at general purpose use.
How useful either of them are depends on cicumstance and skill, and both of them require teammates to capitalize on their strengths
dry oar
Considering most vets run camo cover doesn't really seem like an issue tbh. Block shoving bombers is unreliable but works most of the time, crushers and bulwarks aren't much of a threat with good stagger, and as far as I can tell, a surge staff can't hit the same ranges that a vet/ogryn/zealot can with fire arms. In the end I think it entirely depends on who you are playing with and how good they are at playing their strengths.
void mural
IMO, shield is way more niche than surge, since stunning things is almost always useful for most of the mission, unlike providing cover
dry oar
True
drowsy slate
So i tried gunpsyker now just with the boring mk12… feels bad… mk12 is way more stronger then staffs
dry oar
Gunpsyker puts a toll on ammo economy