psyker-class

[static agate]

Is it from melk or something you upgraded?

[shadow quail]

melk

[summer prairie]

but for that build you also kind of want a high quell speed

[static agate]

Do you need Warp nexus on another trauma staff?

[shadow quail]

ill have a look

[static agate]

Blazing spirit is nice too

If its melk, I would consider buying it for the blessings. The stats though is a bit shite, but not horrible.

[summer prairie]

you get t3 blessings all the time from upgrading and you'll end up doing that anyway

[shadow quail]

Yeah ima pass

[digital loom]

on the one hand i have blaze staff

on the other hand i have t4 rending staff

its a hard choice

[late yew]

What makes people attack DH

[prisma ermine]

Where are you running?

[shut valve]

Psyker just wanna talk to good guy/girl deamon

[ornate hamlet]

Who are you running?

[late yew]

Why are you running

[spiral escarp]

How are you running?

[static agate]

Only acceptable running is Towards the heretics!

[austere estuary]

imo t4 rending while not useful always, when it is useful it's giant

whereas blazing is less impactful but more consistently does something

if you also have crit or nexus

[digital loom]

yeh

blaze is really good for endless horde stuff

the more enemies there are the stronger it gets thanks to wildfire

[austere estuary]

I usually end up going back to my rending staff, mainly due to preferring warp flurry to nexus, but both work

[static agate]

How much penetration does each stack of Brittleness do?

According to https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/107olbz/comment/j3nxpcf/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Its 5% rending per brittle stack, up to 8 stacks max. Meaning 40% rending debuff maximum.

[north solstice]

so a surefire way to get malleous monstronum is to wait for a lights out modifer and grab a shield ogryn yeah?

[gilded radish]

what does warp nexus do?

mine is bugged

[cyan notch]

2/3/4/5% crit chance per 20 peril stacks 4 times

[gilded radish]

oh ok thanks

[paper gate]

i finally got cliffhanger wooooo

[atomic forum]

i keep forgetting to ask people to let me do the monstrosity one

[ionic frost]

Is that still Warp Nexus crit chance, or did they stealth change it?

[kind jay]

it's nexus

[ionic frost]

Wonder why they changed the name and still got the tooltip wrong... =D

[kind jay]

new name is dumb and too long

[ionic frost]

i agree

[radiant lance]

How should I tweak this?

[cyan notch]

replace nexus with flurry

[ionic frost]

Maybe they changed it because no one on the dev team could remember the difference between Warp Nexus, Warp Flurry, and Warp Unleashed? =D

Too much Warp Peril.

[lucid olive]

gain between 4% and 16% based on current level of peril.

[wet jacinth]

I like it doesn't even tell you what you're gaining.

[kind jay]

you're right, something something immeasurably complex

[wet jacinth]

[cyan notch]

it was fine before

then they changed the name and got the tooltip wrong

NOBODY ASKED FOR THIS

[ionic frost]

Remember, someone's getting paid to screw that up instead of work on something more worthwhile... =)

Are they down to two devs now?

[cyan notch]

0.5

[ionic frost]

One being an intern? =P

[ionic frost]

One dev, simultaneously working on VT2 and DT...math checks out.

If changing a tooltip is immeasurably complex, It makes sense that they feel everything else is too...

[summer prairie]

Flamer/purg burning stagger category was changed from "melee" to "flamer" in the patch. Unclear if that matters.

[cyan notch]

havent noticed anything different except bursters seem to be able to be pushed after flaming them now

[summer prairie]

mutants work decently now. Still sometimes miss the grab if you are hiding behind a wall but it's not reliable

[upper ridge]

should i take it or perk?

[summer prairie]

I'd get it for flurry

[upper ridge]

or

[leaden thunder]

man why did they change warp nexus's name

like the new name is cool

they didn't change thrusts name

or cycler

I think those where the other bugged blessings

[uneven drift]

Because according to new description it's just 5-20% of nothing

[leaden thunder]

also true

[summer prairie]

they are probably working on a bigger blessing update and better naming is a part of it

[karmic copper]

@radiant lance transfer peril and flurry are BiS for void. With 25% flak replacing the unyielding, thats a great staff. Youre ALWAYS aiming for headshots anyway so weak spot us still 8%~... there will always be a delay between release and next charge up but you will be blasting them so fast... you can quel cancel if youre in trouble or assisting another to clear space, but with a proper voidstaff you can sit holding your 5/5 flurry stack for an entire horde if you control properly. Most of the time i will keep it up and just snipe specials and elites to stagger them un horde and still kill 5 mobs each shot.

[uneven drift]

I hope so.

[leaden thunder]

crossing my fingers on that one

[summer prairie]

Were you able to stagger ragers at all with purg prepatch?

[leaden thunder]

hmm

purge shouldn't have been changed

[summer prairie]

What do you mean shouldn't have?

[leaden thunder]

since the flamer values got specifically changed in the nerf

[summer prairie]

I'm talking about this hotfix specifically

[leaden thunder]

oh

no clue then

[radiant lance]

Is Transfer II enough though?

Got this thing as well now from crafting:

What should I change perk-wise?

[hard solar]

im looking a people for help to get Malleus Monstrum (psyker achiviment)

[naive junco]

Transfer peril 2 still quells good if you got a good position to line all the heads

[prisma copper]

What does the “two shot” thing really do? Does it fire out another ball or what?

[leaden thunder]

yes

I am unsure on what "charge level" the ball has for the voidstaff tho

[crude trout]

any tips for lights out?

my team got decimated by a surprise shooter horde from behind 😦

[mellow minnow]

Simply don't let any of the enemies that spawn right next to you get the drop on you. Just outplay the stupid spawn system/s

[crude trout]

thought staying together and knowing to dodge was enough for hi intensity lights out in damnation 😦 so asking for tips

[mellow minnow]

In truth it depends on your comp. If youre the only one that can deal with the gunner squads you are going to have a bad time, especially if one's further in the mission get aggroed and use the magic doors to get behind you

[umbral magnet]

is warp flurry on surge fixed ?

[mellow minnow]

Stupid as it may sound map knowledge helps a ton for getting easy lock ons for head pops or headshots if you know where shooters and gunners set up on. But unless you have the luxury of clearing out the squad one safe lock on at a time it's rough

[naive junco]

Have good vets.

[crude trout]

yeah sadly I still lack the map knowledge to know where the spawn doors are

[mellow minnow]

And not that big ult always reliably does anything to enemies, but using it to disrupt a volley and gap close for melee can make the difference

[crude trout]

you know thinking back to our run a while ago, I should've used purg instead of trauma

[mellow minnow]

The worst is walkways above you cannot walk up to. They can just mass a dozen shooters who will shoot down and through the walkway and murderize everyone

[crude trout]

this was exactly what happened

[mellow minnow]

Trauma on top of everything else has issues with verticality

[crude trout]

that ended our run a while earlier

the reason I brought trauma along is because I thought I could use the aiming circle as a mini-flashlight of sorts

[mellow minnow]

Not everyone likes gun psykers, but if you need the flashlight they do work

Shredders place in the meta nonwithstanding

[naive junco]

Psykers shouldn’t have to carry vets. Tell the vet to git gud

[sick isle]

Anyone try full meme DOT build psyker. Bleed knife, infernas recon lazgun, soulblaze?

[leaden thunder]

infernus las pistol is unironically better for that

[mellow minnow]

As psykers , you have the benefit of juggling various mechanics and drawbacks alongside interesting perks and blessings that may or not work to approach the viability of soldier 76 who presses F

[mellow minnow]

I actually kinda love the mark5 sword with 100% Crit on special kill and blaze on Crit blessings

[sick isle]

But you have to have all 3 types of dot

[leaden thunder]

I think someone did at least the bleed + soulblaze quite a while back

[mellow minnow]

But much synergy

[leaden thunder]

but as for it's actual viablity

it's not great

bleed is pretty trash for actual damage

[sick isle]

But flaming soul blood

[leaden thunder]

would do a lot of boss damaeg

but that's about it

[mellow minnow]

DoT is always going to be choice in a game where the enemies need to die now or else they chunk you

Either it's so strong its barely DoT or there's no point in using it

Like even zealot getting benefits from bleeding enemies: the goal is to kill them quickly, removing the bleeding enemy about as fast as you caused them to bleed

[leaden thunder]

half the time the thing doesn't even proc becuase you kill them with the crit

[mellow minnow]

In my mind it should just freely jump to the next guy

Nothing like hitting a dude so hard his friend bursts into flame

[leaden thunder]

isn't that literally what wildfire does

execpt it's gimped due to some weird mechanics rn

[mellow minnow]

Yeah. Lots of things work against each other when they should in fact have interesting synergy

And I don't know enough about the game system to claim most of them could be fixed by order of operations. Ie, check if soulblaze would have been applied before the killing Crit, to see if wildfire should spread

But I duno

[leaden thunder]

i'd have to chek on that part, but another issue is wildfire has an inbuilt cap that it can spread

of 4

which is like right before soulbaze does real good damage

[tepid widget]

Wildfire would be more interesting if it didn't just spread 4 Stacks but instead spreads the actual stacks the dying target had when it died and allocated them to the enemies nearby

[mellow minnow]

Give me cool blessings for staffs like "at high perils(>60) while charging ranged shots have a chance of missing/always miss" call it reality bending or something. Just so I can do something more against gunsquads

[radiant lance]

I think that's actually somewhat a bug

Either that or the description is wrong

[mellow minnow]

Psykers having 2 semi functioning knees is a bug given the balancing history so we will see

Trending upwards thankfully

[lucid terrace]

Wheelchair psyker, new subclass

[twilit flicker]

The Illisi is such a godsend, just sayin

[mellow minnow]

"movement builds up stacks of static charge, which can be spent for kinetic blasts"

[void mural]

Is it just canceling the little arm wiggle after the cast? It still does the whole staff thrust animation. Is that like half a second saved or something?

[sour bison]

[west galleon]

Dang

Personally i think thats fucked bc you need to lock the revive speed but

Could be worse

[near wyvern]

Around half a sec feels about right but haven't framed it. It does make a difference tho. If the whole thing lasts 2 seconds normally, shaving off 0.5 second is a 25% DPS increase.

[summer prairie]

nah that's perfect

[west galleon]

Fuck revives man, i got zealots to do that

Need those numbers

[near wyvern]

What a roll

[summer prairie]

ordo and toughness regen are the best ones and revive speed is good too

[west galleon]

People actually want more dockets? Instead of something like extra toughness or health (regen)?

[summer prairie]

+30% more dockets, why wouldn't you want that

are you not buying items to upgrade

[west galleon]

Because i wipe my ass with dockets, just by going for plasteel i get more than enough

[near wyvern]

What do we do with ordo dockets, they are useless???

FS: <makes the expected cost of 370+ weapon 1 million dockets> See, see! You need dockets now!

[cyan notch]

5m cap btw

[near wyvern]

For dockets?

[summer prairie]

i don't think the idea is to watch the number go up

you buy stuff

[worthy moon]

What do you think is the most op class/build?

[near wyvern]

I am at the point of buy what

[west galleon]

That

I dont need to buy more stuff with dockets, i need mats

[summer prairie]

if you just play one class maybe, but even after 600+ hours you aren't going to have anywhere near perfect rolls for everything

[west galleon]

And until we get an exchange the extra dockets perk is one of the worst to me

[near wyvern]

There is no such thing that would be OP in a vacuum. You gotta have a somewhat balanced team. There are some builds however that are overturned for their role, such as all shredder builds.

[summer prairie]

you can play two damnation matches to have enough mats to upgrade something but it won't net you enough dockets to get a great roll

so that math doesn't really add up unless you just wait until the shop has a decent base

[worthy moon]

What are the ones that are over tuned for their roles? Do you mean shredder pistol builds?

[leaden thunder]

vet

[near wyvern]

What's the point of investing 500+ more hours in the game of I already have 5 loadouts that reach all important break points. Do I really need that 0.1 to 1% extra DPS??

[leaden thunder]

with about anything

[summer prairie]

you don't, but buying stuff and rolling is more fun than having +5% more health when I finish every mission anyway

[cyan notch]

yea

[summer prairie]

or if I don't, it's not because I didn't have the health

[west galleon]

Ok so you want to pseudo gamble or what

Im not knocking your thing dude

[summer prairie]

yeah have fun with the +perk

if it makes the game more enjoyable

[west galleon]

Yeh

[near wyvern]

IMO Illisi is overturned, it's a Horde clear weapon but in reality it just fucks up everything in your path, so Warp Unleashed with Slaugherer Illisi is overturned for DPS since it's a weapon with no weakness (it can also perma CC trash if you need and tank like a shield ogryn if you want...)

Veterans were overturned with the power sword, can't make up an opinion now since they nerfed it.

Veteran and Psyker Shredder based DPS (Horde clear and Elite / Special clear) builds are overturned mostly because the blessings on that thing are ridiculous.

Those are the first things that come to my mind. If you want the other end of spectrum don't touch Devil's claw and revolver builds.

Oh bolter vet is probably a bit overtuned as well

Just shits on everything

[supple skiff]

played on my vet for a while yesterday. Have a power cycler PS, still feels overtuned

[leaden thunder]

pinning fire is overtuned

[near wyvern]

There you have it

But IMO they should for now focus on buffing the weapons and feats that are underperforming before doing further nerfs. There is no point into making things shitty and have people waiting for the game to be enjoyable. But in any case more frequent balance updated would be welcome.

[supple skiff]

granted it also has slaughterer, and Im fairly confident thats a common thread for a lot of melee that feels overtuned

[near wyvern]

Yeah Slaugherer is a beast

[supple skiff]

legit turned my demios into a diet illsi for horde clear

[leaden thunder]

sluaghterer and pinning fire both need to be tunned down

and weapons that are overly reliant on them need a buff

like auto pistol without pinning sucks

[near wyvern]

Gunker is also a bit busted but mostly because Warp Unleashed and Illisi are so strong right now, here is a screencap of Damnation lo. Look at my damage taken and damage dealt and compare to others.

[supple skiff]

that running auto pistol or?

[near wyvern]

MG IV infantry lasgun. One shots 2/3 ranged trash at 6 stacks with pew pew fire rate.

Assuming clicking head of course

It's not as busted as shredder but it's a really solid for dealing with ranged squads and Illisi does the rest

[supple skiff]

I hear ya, every now and then I run a XII with an illsi, really does feel like you have a tool for every situation

lemme use a shotgun Fatshark pls

[near wyvern]

With WU and battery you should be downgrading to Ia at least, XII will just do a shit ton of overkill damage. Ia becomes a faster firing stock XII with WU base and 5/6 stacks.

[near wyvern]

Only psyker problems, gotta downgrade my gun because too much damage

[near wyvern]

Yup, and if there is a stack of ranged other than renegade assault, 1 shot is 1 kill, at that pace it's quickly done. Even with cultist assaults it's 2 shots which isn't that bad.

My IRL group of players don't even comment anymore on what build I am running, they'll just be like "I have know clue how that is gonna work but we are sure you do".

But the fact is that psyker can get any build to work. All because Illisi, BB and WU exist.

And when you don't need Illisi you take Meemos, our dearest child.

[supple skiff]

Ill keep that in mind the next time Im playing.

rolling in mats now, so always on the look out to try new stuff.

gave las pistol a go but wasn't impressed. the La is likely the happy medium there

[near wyvern]

I recommend to try the 1 build with Illisi and a lasgun. It's 111111 for the feats.

BB 3 times in the beginning of the match and after that you don't really need to keep track of them, they'll be around 5/6 naturally.

[crude cape]

how did patch 8 effect psyker builds with the soulblaze buffs

are soulblaze builds/feats good now?

[rustic falcon]

Are people getting those advanced stats at the end of the match from an add on or is there an option to toggle that I missed like a dingdong

[snow coral]

it's a mod

[rustic falcon]

Thanks friend

[cyan notch]

what the hell is meemos

[rustic falcon]

I’ll look it up on ask Jeeves and then use it to embarrass my friend group next time we play

[cyan notch]

doesnt even make sense

[olive ember]

Any reason why they changed nexus

[cyan notch]

yea

cuz theyre dumb

[olive ember]

So what do we call it now

still nexus?

[cyan notch]

yea i am

nobody is gonna say harnessing the warp

[olive ember]

Can’t wait to explain to newer psykers every other day feelsbad

[idle bay]

They could have gone with even more blend names, like :
Critical on Peril, Power on Kill, Cleave on Kill, e.t.c.

Or they could have gone other way around:
All Blessing names replaced with code-names , with a special altar near Hadron that explains what each code-name means. And make code-names to rotate daily

later fits in overall out-of-mission game design - To Cause as Much Irritation and Inconvinience to Player as Possible

[void mural]

I guess? I'll have to try it myself because it really doesn't look much different at all. It kinda feels like warp flurry would make more of a difference than annoying myself with quell canceling. It's not like Thammer was with the full second action lockout.

Actually, does warp flurry even work with quell canceling?

[void mural]

Look at all the darktide mods on the nexus mod website. There is SO much QoL improvement to be had in darktide mods

[olive ember]

Imagine using mods smh

[void mural]

Imagine not using mods in a 'tide game, smh

[crude cape]

Heard someone on reddit talk about BB build with revolver and illisi sword being viable/good.

i always felt like if you werent using a staff on psyker, why even play it? But is this a thing? Sounds kinda fun, is it good?

[leaden thunder]

revolver

viable

good

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[cyan notch]

yea its viable cuz illisi and bb can carry

your ranged can be whatever

[lunar hollow]

ive found that running illisi + autopistol results in me using illisi 90% of the time

(unless im BBing)

[crude cape]

what blessings would you want on revolver and illisi for a build like that,
what feats?

[void mural]

IMO, I like playing psyker with mk 1 infantry autogun, mk7 headhunter autogun, and shredder autopistol (requires pinning fire blessing). I want to like the revolver, but I just spend too damn much time constantly reloading the thing, and it doesn't have the best ammo economy as well. I know some people like it though.

[leaden thunder]

well probably don't actually use the revolver

revolver is fun

but very much not good

[crude cape]

it was my favorite gun leveling up until i mained staffs forever

and it got buffed

so im interested in this specifically for revolver

else i would go level a vet lol

[leaden thunder]

it got nerfed

[crude cape]

i thought it got buffed since launch?

why nerf it, it was never good lol

[leaden thunder]

they nerfed it's best blessing

for some reason

[crude cape]

which is? what blessing

[twilit flicker]

Revolver is terrible can't one shot most specials, I think you need a headshot critical for it to work well. It's damn fun to use though when the action is intense.

[leaden thunder]

crucian

they made it function on actually missing bullets

rather then missing mag %

and then also decreased the % it gives

but since you'll be mostly using melee

[void mural]

IMO, before I'd ever consider using revolver for more than a meme they'd have to make the revolver use a speed loader animation to cut down on the massive amount of time you constantly spend reloading it, and give it more max ammo.

[leaden thunder]

or BB

[shadow wigeon]

Before crucian nerf, head shot crits were pretty reasonable with it

[leaden thunder]

get speed loader and poiintblank on it imo

or pointblank + crucian

[blazing oak]

Surge staff. Spin in circles and spam constantly when enemies not located /s

[summer prairie]

surgical presumably gets 5 stacks almost instantly now

[leaden thunder]

haven't tested surgical

[shadow wigeon]

Oh interesting should look at that

[void mural]

Even shotguns are better at reloading, and are usable without specific blessings

[leaden thunder]

might be ok

[crude cape]

google isnt showing me speed loader blessing, is it new?

[leaden thunder]

I think I got the name wrong

[near wyvern]

Soulblaze has always been decent. Only thing that changed was 2.0 multiplier for flak first changed to 1.0 due to flamer nerf and now they brought it back to the middle point 1.5 and separated soulblaze damage. It had zero effect on the usability of soulblaze or the usability of the feats around it.

For the Soulblaze feats:

• Wrack and Ruin is only good if you can land the BBs, so in general it's shit especially given the option to run Warp Unleashed which buffs your Soulblaze damage by the %
• Wildife is bugged as fuck and shit because of it, I'll give it another look once they fix it
• Ascendant Blaze is good, both 4 stack and 6 stack has their uses, the warp charge proc rate is too low for anything else than Purgatus to reliably keep up and build stacks

[twilit flicker]

Not instantly, it's like one and a half seconds-ish. For surgical.

[summer prairie]

well that's instant if you have to aim at all

[leaden thunder]

it is called speedload

but any combo of speedload, surgical(maybe), point blank and crucian should be what you want

trickshooter like doesn't work, rending on crits is basically useless

and the other options are bad no matter the weapon

[cyan notch]

i have point blank sustained fire on mine

[near wyvern]

No warp flurry stacks are dropped the instant you touch your quell button

[crude cape]

ty!

[summer prairie]

speedload is basically +16% reload speed always, they should bump that up to 25% though to make the weapon feel good

[leaden thunder]

or just give it an actual speed loader

[crude cape]

what about blessings on an illisi sword? and how do I use it, how often are you guys charging it? every couple swings? every swing? once in a while?

[twilit flicker]

True, but in an intense situation every second counts. You could back off the horde and pop one or two shots off, hopefully you get lucky and kill whatever it was in those two before going back to mowing the poxies down.

I tried 16% with 10% perk, didn't feel worth it. Just the 10% was enough to feel a difference.

[near wyvern]

The reason it's viable / good is because Illisi is good, no matter what you bring with it. Illisi + BB can deal with any enemy on the game so you can even bring your grandma with you and be successful.

[shadow wigeon]

Looks like 2.5 seconds to get max stacks. Not bad.

[summer prairie]

that's quite a bit longer than on the lasguns

or autoguns

[crude cape]

I must suck bc i dont know how to make that work, illsi felt worse than the OG force sword to me.
what blessings do you want, and how often should i be charging it?

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's a pretty gnarly hit to dps if you want repeat crits.

The fact that it burns even if you dont crit

Is pretty bad

[summer prairie]

I guess it's still decent compared to some alternatives even when you only get, say, 3 stacks

[void mural]

So, one or the other then. I'd rather have warp flurry as its one less jank thing to think about from moment to moment. I presume they come out about even, time wise, and flurry would come out ahead in peril costs

[hollow current]

I don't ever use the purg staff but look at this baby I picked up in the shop. Should I slap nexus IV on it and hope I get lucky with something good on the orange roll?

[shadow wigeon]

Don't re-blessuntil you have already run it to orange

[near wyvern]

You want Slaugherer on it. The other belssing is your choice. Deflector is the safe option and allows you to get away with extremely aggressive gameplay.

You should only charge it when you are running to mobs or if you see elites coming your way -> dodge back, special, heavy, repeat.

The main combo is heavy light on repeat. You can access it from push or push attack by following it with a light and then continue with heavy light. If you panic, spam lights and focus on dodging and pushing enemies. Once you get good with your dodge game you can start to mix in more heavy heavy which is your max DPS option.

Other good combos are BB mutant into special heavy head, should kill at least with a couple warp stacks, same for Bulwarks.

[summer prairie]

change nexus to terrifying barrage first and then upgrade

[void mural]

Did you have one with decent base item rating? Most weapons feel like crap below 200, and a lot only get really good above 300.

[supple skiff]

yeah turns out that locks whatever you end up rolling

and can't help but notice that blessing is missing a word or two in its description, thought they fixed that

[shadow wigeon]

If you refine a perk, or re-bless, that blessing is locked in, and you will only be able to change the other perk/blessing. Since you don't know what it is yet, that's not a good idea.

[near wyvern]

Yes but with warp unleashed you get increased bonus when pumping at high peril only so that eavens out the DPS a bit.

[summer prairie]

t1 nexus is always going to get replaced no matter what, so if you change it to barrage first you have better odds of rolling a good second blessing

[shadow wigeon]

That's expensive gambling

[void mural]

So, once again, it doesn't really matter which one, just pick one?

[ornate hamlet]

What gun specifically pairs well with Obscurus Force Sword?

[summer prairie]

it's like 100 plasteel or something

[hollow current]

fair point I guess. Just hope I'm lucky enough to get warp flurry or focused channeling.

[shadow wigeon]

To upgrade to orange with no chance to change the other blessing.

[summer prairie]

it's a perfect roll and the odds of getting a good second blessing are high on purg when you remove barrage

[shadow wigeon]

Hang on a second this makes a bit too much sense

[near wyvern]

Well yes. If you quell cancel go Blazing Spirit Warp Nexus, if you want to go the Flurry route pick Warp Flurry with Rending Shockwave. The latter greatly increases your teams DPS against targets you throw around.

[ornate hamlet]

I heard that the Autopistol's good, but what about some other guns?

[hollow current]

lel got warp flurry 2. Good enough I guess.

[summer prairie]

flak too, even though that doesn't matter

[near wyvern]

None, they all love their best bud Illisi

[twilit flicker]

Agripina mkVII headed hunter autogun is cool.

[void mural]

Yeah, quell canceling is negligible enough, and too much of a pain to remember to do after every cast for me to care about, when I'm already aiming for a flurry trauma staff already.

If I didn't hate staff LMB, I might consider learning how to do it, because that's a huge dps increase for LMB

[ornate hamlet]

Unrelated to the above, the Decimator III and Axe is Emperor-damned strong

Strong enough to outdamage two Ogryns with Heavy Stubbers when killing a Daemonhost.

Anyway, back to topic - what about Staffs?

[shadow wigeon]

That is a great staff. Flurry 2 is fine. It's easy to get to 5 stacks on purg and it's decent benefit.

[near wyvern]

They all good in their own spectrum

[ornate hamlet]

Pairing the Obscurus Sword...

Hmmmm...

[shadow wigeon]

While it's more worth doing on Flurry 4, don't be afraid to release your first 3 charge attacks instantly (minimum charge) to build up flurry stacks

[near wyvern]

You pair the Obscurus with the dust on your closet and take Deimos or Illisi depending on if you need more of horde clear or single target damage.

[ornate hamlet]

I want a bit of both.

[void mural]

Either of the AOE staffs, or voidstrike if that's your flavor. IMO, it's completely outclassed by the 2 new FS though

[near wyvern]

Then Illisi and Deimos will both do well with Slaughterer on them.

[ornate hamlet]

I saved the other two FSs for specific sets.

[hollow current]

yeah I just turned it into this. Mighta test if it's worth to do unyielding on the perk for bosses. It's that or 25% flak I guess.

[ornate hamlet]

Like with the Deimos Sword, Purgatus Staff

[void mural]

Then take illisi or deimo. They both work better than obscurus outside of their niche

Illisi is best horde, with decent single target

Deimos is best single target, with decent horde

[supple skiff]

obsurus living up to the name with those other two available

[ornate hamlet]

This reminds me of something.

[supple skiff]

which is really to bad

[void mural]

For real, they named obscurus correctly

[hearty plinth]

What the hell, Melk

[hollow current]

gawd damn

[ornate hamlet]

Imagine surrendering it, and suddenly they buffed the Obscurus Sword out of nowhere.

[supple skiff]

should have kept innate deflector on obscurus imo

give it something to bring to the table

[void mural]

I'm not saying to trash your favorite obscurus sword, just it's currently kinda shit compared to the new FSs

[near wyvern]

Is that their localisation fix for warp nexus WTF and what a roll, someone has paid extra for papa Melk

[ornate hamlet]

Just saying that something similar happened before.

[bold flint]

nice tooltip

[hollow current]

yeah harnessing the warp is warp nexus

[hearty plinth]

Never seen either at T4 before this staff.

[ornate hamlet]

Like, I just sold my plasma gun the day before they buffed it.

[bold flint]

why

[ornate hamlet]

Need money, and Plasma's the weakest at the moment.

[void mural]

Selling gear gets you basically nothing

[bold flint]

just run missions lmao

[ornate hamlet]

It's just barely enough to get the Bolter before they reset it.

[near wyvern]

When you have a weapon with good stats you bank it. They are discussing about changing the lock mechanic so don't fucking sell those bricked weapons with good stats, they might be handy in a year or two and then you don't have to farm some more.

[void mural]

You only sell gear when you've got a better version of that gear, and it doesn't have any blessing to strip off of it

[near wyvern]

If you sell you only get like 5-8k dockets and the fuck you do with that? Not even enough to roll a random 300 weapon.

[hollow current]

Plasma seems cool and all until you run into the vets that exclusively used the alt fire on everything including the individual trash mobs.

[void mural]

Lol, a year or 2... sounds about right from past 'tide game experiences

[void mural]

Plasma seems cool, until you realize that it's hamstrung in multiple ways, and shouldn't require ammo

[bold flint]

is unstable power good

[ornate hamlet]

Aaand my game crashed again.

[shadow wigeon]

I use unyielding on my purgs. You can put out very dependable dps on bosses.

[hollow current]

I think you rolled a god Illi

[near wyvern]

See for yourself https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10

[void mural]

It's decent, but not nearly as good as slaughterer. BTW, it stacks up to x4 of what it says

[ornate hamlet]

Should I surrender it?

[shadow wigeon]

If you want to power boost soul blaze stacks, Unstable and Slaughterer is a fun combo. I would replace Exorcist with Slaughter.

[near wyvern]

Only you know the answer to that. I don't know what you run and need and what's your total gear situation.

[ornate hamlet]

Asking if I should for the Unstable Power

[shadow quail]

Unarmoured or another perk?

[near wyvern]

Nah, god Illi has 0% warp resistance

[supple skiff]

^

[void mural]

IMO, surrender things when you're not actively planning on using that specific weapon, and you've got a better version of it. Otherwise, keep it till you've got a better one that you can actually use rebless to put it on

[supple skiff]

really hope they never touch the illsi stroking lol

that and quietude are great

[hollow current]

Ah yeah, forgot about that part.

[near wyvern]

Show me your light and heavy damage tables and I can answer better to that question

[void mural]

Depends on if you're playing high peril or warp resistance build. Both are good for different builds

[bold flint]

im playing high peril 6 charges

[bold flint]

pop damnation specials and ragers in one hit

[void mural]

Perfectly fine. I do that with my shredder pistol build

[ornate hamlet]

For Curios, should I focus on Wounds, Health or Toughness?

Or all the above?

[void mural]

1 wounds max, most people say that you can drop wounds once you're good enough at the game.

[supple skiff]

what I run as well, hitting a kinetic barrage into a pack of charging ragers is chief's kiss

[ornate hamlet]

Then what about the latter two?

[shadow wigeon]

I would start with 1 wound 2 hp. Remove the wound if you notice you are not going down.

[supple skiff]

losing that peril on the ult kinda sucks tho lol

[void mural]

Toughness will help you toughness tank if your build has ways of generating lots of toughness. HP is the safer pick because it's always good, and can't be stripped by snipers, bombers, and flamers

[near wyvern]

You have groaner one shot heads on lights and infested 2 tap lights or 1 tap heavy. I don't see any point for +unarmoured, especially since you have Slaugherer on it.

So I would roll into +maniac to dispatch mutants, dreg ragers and specials faster. Other option is to go unyielding but how often do you melee a bulwark, reaper, or a monstrosity.

[shadow wigeon]

Toughness is a resource you can actively manage on psyker, but it's more worth doing when you are ready to build and play specifically around it.

[ornate hamlet]

For some reason, I had this.

[void mural]

It's decent. I like the mk7 HH, but it definitely falls off if you have to snipe long range for more than 1 or 2 shots. It has hefty recoil

It's fun to spam into groups, and shoot closer ranged things.

Just don't shoot mutants with it, it does no damage vs them

[ornate hamlet]

I am reminded of another thing again.

When there are new guns, how many sniper rifles do we get?

Like, Long Las and...wait, what do they call the other ones again? Just snipers, or something like stubbers?

[void mural]

I don't think there's been any datamines for sniper weapons yet

Or do you mean lore wise?

[ornate hamlet]

Lore wise on the name, yes.

[void mural]

Long las, hotshot, maybe some kind of stubber sniper

[ornate hamlet]

I don't know if a Zealot would know about handling snipers.

[void mural]

Nah, I'm pretty sure they'd only give sniper weapons to vet

[supple skiff]

they ever let us add scopes or sights on stuff I could see the mark 3 hellbore being a good stand in

[stable silo]

u want high warp resist on the illis so you can spam the stroke for longer periods of time while staring at the zealot in your group making him uncomfortable

[void mural]

Yeah, I really wish we could at least swap around scopes and secondary actions between guns

[stable silo]

if he questions what your doing saying anything other than trying not to explode is heresy

[ornate hamlet]

When can we have heavy stubbers for Zealot? The Dreg Gunners can obviously pull it off.

[void mural]

Nah, they've got multilasers

Reapers are the only ones with heavy stubbers

[ornate hamlet]

I mean Dregs, not Scab Gunners.

The yellow expired lemony ones.

[void mural]

Pretty sure all the gunner types have las weapons?

[leaden thunder]

reapers have twinlinked heavy stubbers

dreg gunners just have regular heavy stubbers

basically just an lmg

[void mural]

Huh, guess I haven't paid enough attention to the different gunner types

I always remember lots of red lasers around whenever there's a gunner

[ornate hamlet]

Scab gunners.

Aka, Feckin' Stormtroopers.

[void mural]

I can never remember which faction is called which, I'm not going to remember the specific faction names of a specific enemy type, haha

[ornate hamlet]

Scabs are Traitor Guards, Dregs are Cultists.

Just take one look at how they look, and done.

Mostly important for Tasks about killing them.

[void mural]

Too much thought into this stuff, I just see enemy types

I see a gunner over there shooting at me, not which specific type of gunner

[near wyvern]

They originally marketed that we can but that got thrown out into the bin I guess

[cyan notch]

this isnt cod

[void mural]

Anyway, yeah, heavy stubbers are not man portable weapons. They're weapons team gear for anyone below ogryn/spacemarine size @ornate hamlet

[leaden thunder]

yes they are

[ornate hamlet]

Back

[leaden thunder]

they are literally just lmgs

or rather any sort of machine gun larger then a standard rifile

[ornate hamlet]

I don't think multilasers would need bullets.

[leaden thunder]

multlas is something else as well

scab gunners have volleyguns

which is just a las lmg

[stable silo]

did wildfire get buffed or something it still seems the same but someone was arguing for it hard last night

[leaden thunder]

afaik it hasn't been changed

[stable silo]

he was trying to say its btter than warp battery for purg builds but i dunno

that extra dmg is pretty fire

[lucid olive]

which one?

[leaden thunder]

it is very much not better, 6 stacks on ab is insanely good

[tired estuary]

right

sustained fire doesn't apply to rmb so its kinda stinky

[supple skiff]

he's gotta be related to a founding member of the company or something lmao

[near wyvern]

I believe the artists intended for these to shoot bullets like the dreg shooters use Autoguns but somewhere on the lines corners were cut and they made it just the same particle effect as scab gunners.

Hard to tell if the choice was for cut of development time or made in favour of clarity for players (easier to see the red lines going around).

[tired estuary]

but t4 rending is good for what trauma wants to do

[stable silo]

shame the left one has perfect stats

[void mural]

I already conceded that point. I don't pay attention that closely, I just see "gunner over there"

[ornate hamlet]

Here's a random Heavy Stubber

[near wyvern]

On the topic of rending... https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/brittleness-and-rending-can-stack-over-100/78700

[void mural]

That's not a heavy stubber, that would be a stubber

[ornate hamlet]

I just typed in "Heavy Stubber 40k"

[void mural]

What ogryns wield is a heavy stubber. Much bigger

[ornate hamlet]

This is the literal first image.

Right next to a twin-linked one, the Ogryn type.

Apparently, there's 3 types.

[void mural]

In lore, it's literally an emplacement weapon. You have weapons teams set up with one at choke points and stuff, because they're too big to be mobile for normal sized humans

[leaden thunder]

it's this

[leaden thunder]

stubber is literally a catch all term for gun basically

[ornate hamlet]

I want the Stub Gun.

[leaden thunder]

might be automatic specific i am not sure

[void mural]

shrug it looked too much like modern LMGs to me, but the description still fits exactly the gun type I was describing for heavy stubbers. 40k is very variable with how things look for less iconic things than stuff like a Las cannon and bolter

[supple skiff]

using a stubber or autogun in a 40k game is the equivalent to ordering chicken tenders at a steak house

[void mural]

Yeah

[leaden thunder]

when the automatic lasguns suck you make do

[void mural]

The category is a bit more specific to its use case, but the actual specifics of each gun can vary wildly

[lucid olive]

autoguns are caseless ammo future weapons

[leaden thunder]

ah, is it stub guns are literally just regular guns, and autoguns are fancier caseless

[ornate hamlet]

This reminds of a lil background on why they're still used.

[naive junco]

I would use the other lasguns if they weren’t semi auto. Gonna break my mouse button on lasguns

[void mural]

Get yourself the full auto mod

[ornate hamlet]

Something about autoguns and/or stubbers being more suited for tactical approaches.

[naive junco]

Didn’t know there was one. Nice

[granite mauve]

don't the in-game autoguns expel cases tho ?

[leaden thunder]

no idea

[supple skiff]

well its a classic case of use what you have, plus the fact that they exist in the lore makes for an easier way to set the scale for more contained conflicts.

[leaden thunder]

you can't supress lasguns, but you can supress those

[supple skiff]

like not telegraphing your location

[void mural]

Yeah, saves your mouse and fingers. There's also one for "full autoing" light attacks for weapon that require spamming LMB, like combat knife

[supple skiff]

think there are supposed to be invisible beam las for that purpose but idk how lore established that is

[granite mauve]

lore for lasgun is already wanky enough, sometimes they have recoil sometimes they don't

[leaden thunder]

might be but I reckon it's rare and expensive

[void mural]

I mean, science-wise, there's no reason why Las weapons have to use visible light. They could in theory be tuned to any wavelength, rendering the shots invisible. But that doesn't look cool, so in lore they're always human visible

40k is always rule of cool

[ornate hamlet]

Accatran Recon Lasguns are close to having no recoil

[granite mauve]

i mean in the lore not in the game

idk if the guard codex says anything about that

but there's lotsa books who contradict themselves

[leaden thunder]

tbh feel wise

[ornate hamlet]

So we basically have a mix of them

[leaden thunder]

I prefer they have recoil

[granite mauve]

con of having so many different writers

[leaden thunder]

no feedback feels kinda bad

[ornate hamlet]

Some of them have recoil, some don't have.

[granite mauve]

problem is that if it has recoil, then i can't really be a laser

can it

[leaden thunder]

it might literally be an inbuilt thing in the gun to simulate recoil

or some bullshit

[ornate hamlet]

When can we have shotgun lasers?

[granite mauve]

but why tho

[leaden thunder]

something about making it easier to aclimate people to

[granite mauve]

having no recoil means it's easier to handle

[shadow quail]

becasuse 40k

[void mural]

Yeah, outside of iconic weapons like the bolter, 40k gets very muddied by having too many cooks in the kitchen. Even with things like bolter, you still have variants that behave completely differently from the standard, and GW writers putting their own spin on things

[granite mauve]

plus it goes well with the mass conscription i say

[leaden thunder]

it doesn't make sense no, but I am pretty sure I have heard that reasoning before

[granite mauve]

anyone can handle a lasgun so the guard doesn't discriminate

and it has a decent punch to it, plus near infinite ammo

you can literally recharge a lasgun battery by putting it in a fire, goofy

[shadow wigeon]

I have tried and tried to give it every chance I can, it just doesn't work, even as a meme.

[void mural]

Las guns should have no recoil per lore, but irl people expect guns to have recoil, therefore games usually make them have recoil, because it feels "wrong" to have no recoil when players use them

[leaden thunder]

fire, sun can also be turned into a grenade if you need to

[granite mauve]

best weapon in the setting

at least the most cost effective, excellent ratio

[leaden thunder]

against normal things it's pretty effective

consistently

[granite mauve]

any general's wet dream

[leaden thunder]

like against other normal humans

oh man

[void mural]

IMO, wildfire would need to be fixed, and soulfire buffed into usefulness at low stack numbers before it would potentially be a competitive build with just a regular trauma staff

Yeah, just the problem is the ridiculous power scaling of every faction in 40k makes the las gun pitiful in comparison

Hence why you just get more lasguns, until the lasers blot out the sun

[supple skiff]

the emperors flashlights

makes you wonder why they bother kiting the guard with body armor in engagments with anything other than rebelling worlds

[stable silo]

i remember someone explained the lasgun thing really well before something to do with super heating the air

[granite mauve]

so they don't die to random ass shrapnel

[stable silo]

they were arguing about it a since the game released why the lasgun has recoil

[void mural]

Because flak armor is also dirt cheap

It's probably made out of the same material that they make lasgun chassis out of

[granite mauve]

it's like the equivalent of our best modern bulletproof equipment iirc

[void mural]

Same thing with lasguns, but 40k power scaling is whack

[supple skiff]

shrapnel is about the only thing that I can think of

can't have anything too good, put the commisars out of a job

[olive ember]

Tbh making something that kills is prob a lot harder than to masks something that protects

[leaden thunder]

iirc it's wierdly the other way around in 40k, that's why melee is so prevalent

since it's much easier to make something that can deal with defenses as a melee then a gun or something

[north cradle]

Isn't it one of the Newtonian laws of physics

Something about generating higher wattages in a short period of time would produce a high amount of counter-force

[leaden thunder]

that sounds not correct

but I dropped my physics class

[supple skiff]

you need mass for recoil

equal and opposite reaction and all that jazz

[north cradle]

You can convert work into power as a measure of 1 Joule/sec being 1 watt

A Joule is equal to a newton when converting work to force

So shooting a high wattage laser bolt in a fraction of a second should generate a lot of force

I'll ask one of my friends, he's an engineer

[supple skiff]

google tells me photons have momentum so, some sort of recoil is to be expected. Guess either that or mass is required.

[fierce sinew]

a system has mass whenever it has energy

[naive junco]

Man I wish dreg shooters went to stormtrooper shooting school. F these guys

[fierce sinew]

there's this einstein fella that made a big stink about it

you do need an awful lot of energy involved before that mass starts to translate to something that might be meaningful in recoil terms though

c is quite a large number etc

[shadow wigeon]

that is actually fire void, and it just doesn't work. I actually enjoy Fire Trauma quite a lot. It's a bit challenging, but pretty effective.

[radiant lance]

Any advice on what to change on the perks?

I'm thinking Unarmored instead of Unyielding?

[ionic needle]

Oh hey look at Melk go today

Which perk do I swap for maniac?

[radiant lance]

I wouldn't buy this tbh

[ionic needle]

I have pinning fire 4

Collateral is kinda bad though

[radiant lance]

You need Blaze Away too though

[ionic needle]

No I really don't

Blaze Away is just icing on the cake

Too bad on the perks tbh

[sacred pumice]

It's babysitting duty today guys

[ionic needle]

I had this yesterday, haha

I don't know where all the overkill damage comes from though, is that Flayer procing on random zombies?

Or maybe it's just when I BB random things to get stacks

[sacred pumice]

that, and judging by the headshots & dam this was a voidstrike game, right?

[ionic needle]

No, shredder

Look at the ammo

[sacred pumice]

ah i see now

good numbers for shredder

[ionic needle]

The headshots is from illisi cleaving through hordes

[sacred pumice]

yeah any damage left over after you get them to 0 is "overkill"

so it could be anything

[ionic needle]

Yeah and I do a lot of specials with illisi before cutting their heads so I guess that's a lot of overkill

[ionic needle]

I take it this is voidstrike then?

[sacred pumice]

yeah that was a voidstrike game

[twilit comet]

Gain what exactly?

[supple skiff]

based

[ionic needle]

Just between 3% and 12%

Don't worry about it

[sacred pumice]

gain based homie

[twilit comet]

exactly

lol

does ANYONE test their stuff?

[supple skiff]

yeah, us

payed for the privilege too lmao

[void mural]

Oh, oof. I still hate how they gave trauma and void the same model, so I can't tell what teammates have equipped in the pre-mission lobby.

Yeah, I wouldn't bother trying void with soulfire

[twilit comet]

oh that's right 😛

[ionic needle]

Oh that's like how my job works

Users are the best testers

[twilit comet]

I make all my Void staves look like Purgatus staves, because you can swap the cosmetics between them, just to drive my team crazy with confusion

[supple skiff]

think its funny they borked the localization, then claimed it was fixed and never bothered to proof read it

[void mural]

Trauma hits things in a WAY wider area, so more procs on crit

[void mural]

Yeah, I hate trying to guess what staves my team is picking

[supple skiff]

Granted thats very much the case near as I can tell

darktide PTR when lol

[crude cape]

I had someone suggest Bloodthirsty for the auto crits, but deflector sounds safer.
So you don't charge it against waves of normal zombies, just keep swinging? ok.
I didn't fully understand what you meant when you said you access it by pushing or push attack, but im guessing its a speciifc swing pattern/combo to repeat, ill mess around ty

[late yew]

trash

[sacred pumice]

anyone who tells you deflector isn't worth it is leading you astray, it's always worth it, just the block cost reduction is fuckin HYPE

[late yew]

just 12%...

[sacred pumice]

the value of BCR in tide games is way bigger than it seems, *just * 12% is a lot

[runic python]

Does Unarmored or Infested get the axe for crit? I'm leaning towards infested.

[late yew]

I think you want flak damage?

[stable silo]

hes asking which one to remove IMO infested but im sure someone could argue for unarmored

ooooh nvm ur saying take crit

flak and crit is the best perks for purg

[runic python]

running surge staff currently w/ a high perile/crit build

One day I'll upgrade it, but for now it'll work.

my rational was there's only 3 infested enemies according to https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4. More unarmored/partly unarmored.

infested being poxburster, horde poxwalkers, and doge. Two of those get BB'd so they're not a factor.

[near wyvern]

you power it up only if you see elites incoming, regular mobs you either heavy light, light light or heavy heavy, where heavy light is your regular combo, light light is your panic mode and heavy heavy is max dps when you feel safe

by accessing I mean that push and push attack flow into 2nd strike, so after push or a push attack you should use light so it's the light from the heavy light combo

unless you want to annihilate a special after the push attack, in that case you can do the heavy which is the diagonal one

[ionic needle]

Bought it, tried it, earned the blessing

[tropic vigil]

harnessing the warp still functions as it did previously right? i noticed it doesnt specifically say crit anymore

[runic python]

Patch notes said they definitely fixed all the blessing descriptions.

[ionic frost]

Hedge said on reddit that warp nexus was going back to old description next update

[long wharf]

FartShart had no problem making this work but not making the staves all the same base weapon type to share blessings

[late yew]

gun psyker

[tropic vigil]

i got lucky and farmed IV flurry to finish this thing

[ornate hamlet]

What the hell does "Gain between 4% and 16% based on current level of peril" mean? They forgot a word lol

[late yew]

5 and 20% of what lol?

[ornate hamlet]

FATSHARK WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN

[tropic vigil]

crit chance

[ornate hamlet]

Oh they just renamed Nexus? And then fucked up their grammar?

[tropic vigil]

the text for warp flurry was bugged previously, they renamed it and missed text.

yea basically

[ornate hamlet]

I love this game but sometimes those devs can be a bit goofy

[late yew]

why they renamed it even

[void mural]

Bloodthirsty is ok, but it doesn't really do much for illisi. Crits aren't that big of a damage increase, and you mostly 1 shot horde enemies anyway. If you pair it with soulblaze on crit for the meme build its ok, but nothing special.

I personally charge the sword before wading into melee for the first big cleave (it helps start stack slaughterer), and whenever I need toughness (from warp absorption).

I use heavy, light, repeat for hordes because it's 2 completely horizontal attacks at head height, so you just headshot the entire horde.

Honestly, as long as you have slaughterer, the second blessing can be whatever you prefer. Deflector is nice for defense and utility. Exorcist is nice for dumping peril. The high peril = power blessing is nice, but imo, as long as you have slaughterer, not necessary if you like a different blessing.

[late yew]

and why no mention of it in patchnotes

[ornate hamlet]

"Fixed issues with the text on various Blessings and Feats."

Bahaha

[leaden thunder]

I mean

at least it says something

instead of code text

[tropic vigil]

deflector makes you feel like a jedi or titanfall vortex shield

[twilit flicker]

Looks like they didn't get enough sleep

[tropic vigil]

its fun

[ionic needle]

yeah, by far the most fun i've had in this game tbh, haha

[raven fulcrum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/785232633143623680/1099080650646102056/image.png

[twilit flicker]

5% and 20% more sheep's jumping over the fence

[ornate hamlet]

Nice

[raven fulcrum]

what do u gain from warp harnessing?

[leaden thunder]

crit

it is warp nexus

they changed the name and descrption for some reason

[tropic vigil]

is it just my brightness setting or is power outage like excessively pitch black and is it intended to be that?

[leaden thunder]

yes

[ionic needle]

Probably because the name was too close to warp flurry

[late yew]

bad taste

[tropic vigil]

gun psyker just feels a little weak compared to staffs

and if im gonna shoot a gun ill just play vet

[ionic needle]

Weak in what way?

[leaden thunder]

depends on the gun generally

auto pistol is incredibly strong on it's own and psyker can boost that by quite a bit

[shadow wigeon]

If you combine auto pistol with ascendant blaze, it's a bit busted. But auto pistol is generally over tuned.

[ember hornet]

gun psyker is strong without a gun when you have illisi and BB

[pearl lion]

referring to VS. The absolute slander

[ionic needle]

I personally don't really like AB, at least compared to KB

[ember hornet]

smh people still not running the superior build aka quicken

[ionic needle]

Quicken is fun, but not with autopistol haha

[tropic vigil]

weak in comparison to purge or void. i feel like while the ap mows down crowds + ascendant blaze. but it feels more work less fun for slightly less effective weapon and i dont like to take ammo from vets or ogryns

[ember hornet]

quicken is ideal for gun psyker imo, if you are melee focused

[tropic vigil]

im just very used to staffs and feel more comfortable being able to manage peril either weapon i have.

[ionic needle]

Autopistol absolutely shits on anything not in carapace, which is what BB is for. Whenever I find myself shooting into a horde I get disgusted.

Illisi is for horde.

[ember hornet]

I just stay at 100% peril with illisi and spam force pushes and BB ogryns

[ionic needle]

I guess you're running communion to keep charges up then?

[ember hornet]

yeah

[ionic needle]

Makes sense

[ember hornet]

pretty fun melee build

[ionic needle]

Yeah I played with staffs until I picked up autopistol a few weeks ago. Whenever I go back and try a run with any of my staffs I'm just kind of... Bored. None of them are even close to as fast at killing specials and elites as the AP.

[ember hornet]

nearly nothing in the game does as much dps to specials

autopistol stronk

[ionic needle]

The trade off is survivability and horde clear but... Whatever, there's usually an ogryn or other psyker doing that on the team

[ember hornet]

I mean autopistol clears hordes too, especially with pinning + blaze

[ionic needle]

It sounds fun, I think I prefer Aura + KB over it though since I pretty much only go melee for hordes

[ember hornet]

yeah I just melee everything

[ionic needle]

Yeah but I don't like burning ammo on that when I run Illisi haha

[ember hornet]

abusing broken weapon and 1 shotting everything with illisi kind of silly fun on occasion

I have t4 slaughterer t4 unstable

[ionic needle]

Holy shit you must murder stuff with it

[ember hornet]

it one shots bulwarks at max stacks

almost one shots reapers, would if I had +elite damage

[ionic needle]

I got this yesterday and playing around with exorcist to manage toughness with quietitude, it's actually not too bad

[ember hornet]

nice stat roll

[ionic needle]

Yeah, love the 42% warp res

Get to 100% in four strokes

[ember hornet]

that's mine

[ionic needle]

Oh that's pretty much perfect

Too bad on the 8% perk though

[ember hornet]

yeah

what's really sad is

if it were 10%, I could one shot 20 poxwalkers

but at 8% I'm like 2 damage off

perks basically determine what you can one shot

maniac let's you one shot muties

and ragers more easily

elite + unyielding will one shot reapers

infested one shots 20 poxwalkers to the body

[shadow wigeon]

It's just a fun build for evaporating hordes

[late yew]

I feel like damnation kinda got too easy after last patch?

[ember hornet]

did they fix muties

[shadow wigeon]

Yep. Definitely and improvement from pre-patch.

Slightly less ridiculous paths.

[ember hornet]

but they aren't omega smooth brain anymore?

[shadow wigeon]

They will actually attack you now

[ember hornet]

Nice

my hammer was very sad they weren't a threat

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it was a sad time for them.

[twilit comet]

Any advice on blessings for building a Rashad Axe for psyker?

[ember hornet]

probably BM + headtaker/decimator

flak maniac unarmored for perks

[twilit comet]

brutal momentum a definite? How's that compare to headtaker AND decimator?

[ember hornet]

Rashad has 1.0 base cleave

BM = infinite cleave

so

pretty good

makes hordes safer

and has a minimum cleave damage

[olive ember]

now I have a reason to surge staff them again

[ember hornet]

there could never be a reason to use surge

[shadow wigeon]

The abuse @olive ember has to suffer on behalf of all surge-enjoyers...

[undone oriole]

finally!

i can go ham with the funny stagger strat :)

[olive ember]

Surge staff best staff

smh

[karmic copper]

What's is smh acronym? Always forget

[leaden thunder]

shaking my head

[karmic copper]

Derp i swear one day ill get your steam accnt and you wont even own darktide. Just eunning repeater xbow on shade verm 2 for the last 2000hr of your gaming time

Ahhh i never knew that acronym then hah. Ty

[olive ember]

Surge staff is the only good staff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[karmic copper]

Lol

@olive ember .. would you use surge on battle wiz?

[digital loom]

i dont like using surge

its better than people think in terms of damage but i prefer explosions

[tropic vigil]

does sustained fire work on voidstrike?

[olive ember]

It’s not good if that’s what you are asking

[tropic vigil]

i figured as much ok time to farm new voidstrike

[gilded magnet]

4-16% OF WHAT THO

[olive ember]

Crit chance

[gilded magnet]

gawd dang it

[kind jay]

income tax

[olive ember]

It’s just warp nexus

[gilded magnet]

oic

[olive ember]

If that’s voidstrike swap nexus with flurry

[gilded magnet]

aight you got it chief

did they change flurry btw?

i saw someone machine gunning it last round

[olive ember]

Not to my knowledge

If they are machine gunning it’s probably a macro

[gilded magnet]

well snap alright

[olive ember]

but yeah surge staff is great

meta staff smh

anyone who says otherwise just isn't using it properly

[digital loom]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-raiden-senator-armstrong-moneyintr-gif-15988527

whenever i see a void spammer i think of this

[tropic vigil]

staff on right is better right?

[digital loom]

i would use right simply because of charge rate

but i dont have a high opinion of either

[tropic vigil]

other than dmg and blast radius whats most important on voidstrike?

[shadow wigeon]

Yea I'd stick to right, and try to get transfer peril on it

Charge rate and warp res help you fire (a bit) faster.

[still apex]

WHY!? Why can't we use combat shotguns!?!

bolters... fine... but where's our bolt pistol!?! where's out shotguns!?!

[shadow quail]

I don't even like them on vet

[still apex]

i love the shotgun

[shadow quail]

I'd rather more staffs

beamstaff please FS

[ruby plover]

kant shotty on psyker would be lit

[still apex]

I HATE the staffs

the original force sword is still my fav weapon by miles

[shadow quail]

Well im glad someone does

[clear linden]

what should i be looking for when hunting curios?

[leaden thunder]

what ever stat makes you go down/die less

like you personally

[still apex]

depends tbh... at least one with an extra wound.

[leaden thunder]

you don't really need a wound

it's fine to have one on psyker or vet

but you don't need one, a lot of the time Ifind if i'd go down twice between med stations something is fucked anyway, or I am in a spot where I can't be ressed anyway

[still apex]

assuming you have a competent team and will never gop down.... I only do Pubs so an extra wound is very handy

[leaden thunder]

I only do pubs

I don't use wounds

[still apex]

you're getting better pubs then I am then

[leaden thunder]

doubtful, again lots of time if you'd go down twice shits fucked anyway, or if you go down once you are in a spot where you can't be ressed

[ruby plover]

but wounds are only helpful if you have a competent team

[shadow quail]

Wouldn't HP be more helpful with a bad team

[still apex]

nah, the damage output on Damnation makes it a bit redundant

[shadow quail]

if it's a bad team, waiting to be picked up would be a bit redundant, no?

[ruby plover]

wut

incoming damage going up doesnt somehow make ehp less important

it is in fact the opposite of that

[humble flax]

what's the current meta force sword? haven't played psyker since dec

[still apex]

burst ddamage spikes

[long wharf]

Extra wounds is essentially planning to fail

[still apex]

yes. redundancy

[cyan portal]

I've settled into one each of stam toughness and health. Stam for unlimited block, health for a buffer on corruption, and toughness to help buffer taking damage.

[ember sentinel]

Deimos/Illsi

[still apex]

Obscurus master race!

[ember sentinel]

Deimos is amazing at killing elites with good horde clear and Illsi is the opposite

[gloomy gulch]

man melk has tempted me on multiple characters today. Might want to grab this just for surge ......

[ornate hamlet]

I see all of them being used

[shadow quail]

Obscurus is like middle of the road meh

[ember sentinel]

Illsi a bit better

Overall

I left out obscurus cause he was probably aware of it

[leaden thunder]

illisis is incredibly strong

[still apex]

i like the single target charged attack... i use it constantly to spike corruption

[shadow quail]

I prefer the illisi the most

[ember sentinel]

Illsi also my fav

[still apex]

also, does everyone run Deflector on their sword?

[shadow quail]

Melk gifted me with a good one

[ember sentinel]

The cleave just feels great esp after using stuff like hammer

No

I use unstable/slaughterer

Deflector is good but you can learn to dodge bullets and not be in those spots you use deflector for

[shadow quail]

I have ones with and without

[ember sentinel]

So damage is better overall

[still apex]

i have an Unstable/Deflector Obsurus that I just can't find a good replacement for

[cyan portal]

Deflector is good if you lean into it and play a lot more aggressively to make up for losing the dmg boost of unstable. If you play safe anyway might as well take the dmg boost.

[ember sentinel]

Its a fine blessing just one you can work around

[still apex]

well, that's it... i play quite aggressive

[shadow quail]

I like deflector tbh, but it's not something im using all the time. It can help a lot

[still apex]

which is why i want a shotgun or some good pistols

[shadow quail]

Purg

[still apex]

stuck with the recon lasgun

[ember sentinel]

Autopistol is like top 1

Guns

If you want to use a pistol

[still apex]

i don't like autopistol... i know it does the work but feels meh

[obsidian creek]

guys look what i found

[mental junco]

such a nice perk(

[obsidian creek]

i was first, suck it

[cyan portal]

Sure, deflector would let you get away with being even more aggressive though. I find a pack of shot gunners backed by some reapers are pretty hard to close on without taking damage without deflector.

[obsidian creek]

bye wizards

[still apex]

totally... also really handy when your team is all vets

i guess for now I'm stuck with stub gun and force sword... give me a plasma/bolt pistol!!

or shotgun!

[shadow quail]

I';d hate having to deal with ammo on a psyker

[ember sentinel]

Its not the worst

I use mk12 sometimes

Which uses no ammo tbf

[cyan portal]

I run purga, so 'over extending' to light everything up, then just blocking to survive the silly situation while they all burn to death works very well.

[shadow quail]

mk12 doesn't have to deal with ammo

[still apex]

tbh it never really becomes a thing, i use the recon las and never really run dry

[ember sentinel]

Autopistol is strong enough to make up for ammo at least

[shadow quail]

I'm really enjoying purg atm

[still apex]

ammo is too abundant imho

[ember sentinel]

Purg is great

[still apex]

firestick is tempting

[ember sentinel]

I think ammo is fine

[cyan portal]

I can't wait till they fix wildfire, purga gonna be the most op thing in the game.

[shadow quail]

I'll always be using a staff as psyker

[ember sentinel]

When the ogryn on my team dumps his whole stubber in the first 10 seconds i dont mind the ammo pick ups

[shadow quail]

Void and purg are very strong RN, surge is in a good place too.

Not too sure about trauma, haven't had a good one in forever

[primal plume]

is this worth getting?

[cyan portal]

With ammo, i think as long as there is a vet on the team it is fine. A team with neither a vet nor a staff psyker might run out of ammo. Atleast the only vids of runs I've seen that actually have ammo issues are those ones.

[ember sentinel]

Not really

[near wyvern]

Trauma is amazing but requires correct blessings and matching perks

[ember sentinel]

Bad perk

Low charge

[shadow quail]

Yeah my only one is not great, and feels bad to use

[ember sentinel]

Unless you have nothing better

[shadow quail]

What blessings do you reccomend

[near wyvern]

Do you want to just brain-dead gameplay with it or do you like riding on the edge of madness?

[shadow quail]

madness

[primal plume]

what if surge worked like purgatus

holding the fire increases the stun

[still apex]

Deflector sword and a penetrator stub pistol

[shadow quail]

I love surge, was main staff for most of my psyker playtime, but void and purg are just better

[fallow meadow]

Trauma is fun to play with. The problem is you need to have a perfect base to start trying.

[near wyvern]

@shadow quail Blazing Spirit with Warp Nexus 4 (Harnessing the Warp???) with +unarmoured or +infested on one perk slot and +5% crit chance on the other. Stat wise you need as close to 80% charge rate and max radius as you can get, the rest are a nice bonus. The build is 311112, but you can also use 311212 if KS is more your thing.

[shadow quail]

Wish surge's charge increased the targets or something

[fallow meadow]

It will just spread out the damage more. No thx.

[shadow wigeon]

We can go crazier than this

Have been running this build after much testing

Not Blazing 4 yet, sadly.

[wintry plover]

First time I've seen this anyone know what this does? I'm guessing extra power?

[ruby plover]

wdym

[shadow wigeon]

Crit chance

[leaden thunder]

crit chance

[ruby plover]

it makes u more based

wrong its based

[leaden thunder]

true

and real

[fallow meadow]

w&r is just not good enough. Wildfire is not working

[wintry plover]

So it's another warp nexus?

[leaden thunder]

it is warp nexus

[shadow wigeon]

That is the popular thought, but it's false

[leaden thunder]

they changed the name

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire is amazing

And WAR is... well in this build it's competitive with the other feats

not great, but it puts in work

[tropic vigil]

wildfire is pretty effective ive noticed

[wintry plover]

Oh yeah, I see that now on my other staffs. Bit random

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah people are catching on how fun it is

[cyan notch]

its pretty mid in terms of efficacy and fun

C tier imo

[cyan portal]

Wildfire entirely depends on how lethal you can make 4 stacks. With some slaughterer boosting it, the right dmg bonuses and max peril, it does a ton of work. unbuffed and unsupported by perks it is trash.

It is pretty easy to hit the breakpoint where it will spread endlessly through a horde and kill everything out to a very respectable range. At which point it is giving you enough warpcharges to run aura instead of communion.

[still apex]

i'm trying to find a way to do soulblaze melee well.. can it work?? (NO WUSSY STAFF!)

[cyan portal]

nah you need purga to apply stacks imo, but you should still spend most of your time with sword out.

blazing spirit is bad because you lose the dmg blessings on fs. war is bad because you lose warp unleashed. etc etc.

[shadow wigeon]

Can show you build when I’m done game.

[still apex]

it's my humble opinion that staff using Psykers are sniveling, greasy, reprobates... so i need a soulblaze build that has no staff

[meager cedar]

If the Psyker's recon las applied soulblaze instead of fire with that one blessing, I'd think about running gunker over staff sometime

That's all it would take

[shy crag]

How do you proc this blessing? Doesn't seem to be happening in the Meat Grinder. Does it only happen when a npc is trying to hit you and fails when you dodge the hit? How reliable is the blessing? compared to other crit chance blessings?

[still apex]

it's very, very unreliable

[shy crag]

awh..

thought i lucked out getting a t4 of it

[cyan portal]

Well.. I'm sure it can be done, I doubt it will be nearly as effective though. Meme away though sibling, it isn't like the game is hard enough to require optimal loadouts.

[still apex]

don't have a good one yet.

[shy crag]

would pair nicely with the soul blaze blessing

been trying to make the dueling swords work lately as well, i figure weak point rending and crit chance blessings would pair well

[still apex]

say, how do we unlock high tier bleesings? I want tier V deflector bad

[cyan portal]

tier v doesn't exist

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah, I’m running it. But there are caveats… you can either apply a lot of not-so-strong fire, or a bit of very strong fire. ONLY melee fire is a hit of a hassle.

[shy crag]

either via sire melk with the currency you get from the weekly missions or via emperors gift, doing higher difficulty missions.

[still apex]

merk!?! you mean from the rando weapons he has?

[shy crag]

yes the ones that refresh every 24hrs

T4 blessings show up on the weapons he has

[still apex]

ugh... such a hassle

[timid kayak]

Uhh so I’ve been maining psyker for a few weeks but mostly avoiding the power supply interruption missions but I know I’m missing out. Does anyone have any advice that isn’t “bring a gun”? All I can think to do is stay close to players with flashlights but if I quickplay in and no one has a light… I don’t really have a backup plan aside from setting literally everything on fire all the time

[shy crag]

either run purgatus and constantly primary fire to help you see or run with your melee constantly and hold the block button and enjoy the chaos

[still apex]

I don’t really have a backup plan aside from setting literally everything on fire all the time

sound plan

[cloud sequoia]

when did warp nexus blessing got changed

to harnessing the warp

[fierce sinew]

just the tooltip changed

this patch

[cloud sequoia]

my friend got bamboozled, he spend 5K plasteel trying to find warp nexus

[shadow wigeon]

@still apex So the problem with melee soul blaze is that you need to have Slaughter going to make the fire really strong. So I'm running a fire sword currently as an assist to the fire staff/wildfire.

[still apex]

oh damn i need blazing spirit

but no deflector??

[shadow wigeon]

THere's no time for Deflector

[timid kayak]

Ah ok. I did the purgatus flaming spam before but then also I’m in danger of accidentally setting off barrels. I figured there was probably a smarter way to do it but that works. Thanks folks

[still apex]

don't know how i feel about that

[shadow wigeon]

You have to embrace the chaos (Deflector is great, but it doesn't work here)

[still apex]

i just love deflector

[timid kayak]

SamSlade are you gonna do the pinning fire auto pistol thing in addition since we staff users are reprobates?

[still apex]

psh... autopistol. stub pistol!

[timid kayak]

I have no opinion on guns, I just know the pinning fire thing was supposed to be stupid good before the changes to Burn/Soulblaze

[cloud sequoia]

deflector is weak

[shadow wigeon]

Deflector is great. Lets you be very aggressive.

[shy crag]

I'd have never have thought of that, the soul blaze damage being affected by the power increase from Slaughterer. I've always been aiming for a crit chance blessing there instead.

[shadow wigeon]

As much as I'd love to, Slaughterer changes the game. It makes Wildfire spread almost forever. Puts out significant fire damage. 4 stacks is enough to clear out groaners/horde with Slaughterer.

[shy crag]

the possibility of that certainly changes some of my builds

[mortal crest]

Deflector lets you pretend to be a Zealot charging some shooters right before you slide into 'em and show them how it do go down.

Illisi special heavy is the cherry on top. Love that thing.

[shadow wigeon]

I used it with this Purg. No need to apply max stacks, you're just trying to blast the horde with 4 stacks, then switch to melee and melt everything.

And fire kills proc Slaughter, so it's self perpetuating.

[shy crag]

I was thinking it with Trauma staff and the soul blaze blessing that has, it procs surprisingly often.

[shadow wigeon]

Now you're talking... let me show you what im actually playing with

I was just trying to seem reasonable

[shy crag]

as well as the usual whatsitcalled, ascending blaze

[shy crag]

yeah ive the same setup haha

i love it

[shadow wigeon]

Try that, and slaughterer on your weapon