psyker-class

[cyan notch]

[olive ember]

Huh the forums are 🤔

[shadow wigeon]

Surge is still my favourite staff, although Focused/Flurry Wildfire purg is pretty fun.

[near wyvern]

I love the concept of best staff. People like to throw that word around like bucket of colour in paint. It's all relative to what you want from your staff.

That's literally copy paste from Reddit

[olive ember]

No my surge staff is the best and you can’t tell me otherwise

[meager plinth]

Surge when it will get unique blessings

[runic nest]

Seriously, blazing spirit on surge would be fun.

[near wyvern]

Soon™️

[olive ember]

I mean you would have to replace flurry with blazing

[runic nest]

But what it really needs is an extra targets blessing

[runic nest]

Yeah, but do you really charge it up all the way often?

[olive ember]

Yes

[tropic vigil]

what can i add to improve upon this staff

[olive ember]

I like funny charge time

[near wyvern]

I want a staff that allows pushing and pulling team members. I don't care if it does no damage.

[halcyon creek]

Staff that lets me rescue them from ledges remotely

[void mural]

Every weapon needs more unique blessings, full stop.

So many weapons have unique mechanics that are underutilized for variety in blessings

[olive ember]

Trolls favorite weapon

[tropic vigil]

a shield staff of some kind would be cool

[olive ember]

I love it

[tropic vigil]

anything that can pull usually leads to grief

[near wyvern]

Re bless flurry into T4 flurry and you are good to go

[olive ember]

I can just pull teammates to me indiscriminately

[tropic vigil]

ok. ty.

[void mural]

Grab yourself the roll until rarity mod and max out your crit perk

[runic nest]

Swap flurry for no interrupt, if that's your jam.

[olive ember]

SMH I just rolled manually

Kids these days

Can’t put in any work smh

[void mural]

Lol, fuck that

[near wyvern]

Manual roll ew

[olive ember]

[void mural]

Took 360 rolls for one of my items

[olive ember]

Only 360? Light work

If I can have 3000 hours of csgo

[void mural]

I ain't wearing out my mouse or finger with that. It's even worse now because it requires 2 clicks

[olive ember]

360 seconds is nothing

Simply have a sigma grind set

Or wte the fuck it’s called

[void mural]

I'll sigma grindset myself some plasteel by grinding the actual game, haha

Not grinding the slot machine

[near wyvern]

It should require 3 clicks to get the perk you want. Once for selecting which perk to replace, another to select the blessing you want and a third to confirm your selection.

[cyan notch]

Fanatical Obscurus Apologist, Devoted Malice Gamer, Hopeless Surge Buff Advocate, Notorious Spreader of Misinformation, Absurd Sayer of Random Wrong Stuff, Proud Giver of Bad Takes, Unapologetic Light Mode Enthusiast, Prolific Ignorer of Classes, Foolish Manual Perk Reroller

[near wyvern]

You forget the Emotional Damage Runner

[olive ember]

What about requiring a signature

Signed in pen

[near wyvern]

Immeasurably complex

To implement

[void mural]

Hell, I still want them to unlock blessings/perks, let you choose whichever ones you want for a cost, they start at t1, and then you spend resources to upgrade the blessing/perk tier.

Give us full on incremental improvements instead of this pseudo-slot machine bs

[near wyvern]

But casinos make money so make a casino and you make money

[olive ember]

Not true didnt trump bankrupt a casino once

[near wyvern]

Impossible

Casino = Money

You build it in the middle of Sahara and money starts appearing on your bank account, just like that

[olive ember]

Lmao

I need to get t4 sniper resist on my curios

Bleh

[worn bolt]

its simple, if you own a casino and someone actually ends up WINNING money from you, you ban them. (casinos don't care if you spend all your money but will NOT let you win some)

[olive ember]

Pretty much

The idea is that you might be cheating

So they just ask you to leave and yeah

[worn bolt]

not even that, some things cant be cheated such as slots or whatnot, if you win too much they will kick you out anyway

[olive ember]

I mean the games are designed for you tk lose so either you have god luck or something ain’t adding up and yeah

[worn bolt]

card counting however is explicitly banned

[near wyvern]

Chicken gets it, next president

[olive ember]

The blanket solution is to just stop them from playing

[glossy breach]

hi folks how about this staff

[worn bolt]

barrage and the charge rate are pretty mid. Other than that it isn't too bad. its useable but you will wanna replace barrage

[olive ember]

What are the general odds again in a casino game?

For the player vs the house

[glossy breach]

does it worth to buy?

[worn bolt]

depends how much better it is to your current staff

[near wyvern]

Nope

Don't spend your milk bucks on that

Oh wait

It has flurry IV

[olive ember]

I mean

Flurry t4

Yeah

[near wyvern]

If you like flurry trauma you can get it just for banking flurry

[worn bolt]

all things considered it is a pretty mid roll, the charge rate at least, flurry iv is really valuable tho

[olive ember]

I’d say it’s worth for a t4 flurry

But the staff itself is

[worn bolt]

I still dont have t4 flurry, its VERY uncommon

[olive ember]

I just got one yesterday for surge staff

Was very happy

[glossy breach]

it's really cost a lot coin LOL

[worn bolt]

yeah but then you have to use surge staff

[worn bolt]

you may not see t4 flurry ever again soooo, up to you if you wanna risk not finding it

[near wyvern]

If you don't play a lot with Trauma, don't. If you play a lot with Trauma it's worth the coin, T4 rolling is a shit ton of hours and getting fisted by mama Hadron

[glossy breach]

alright i will take it

[worn bolt]

rending shockwave has a t4 variant too, yeah?

[olive ember]

Someone yesterday sat on a purple staff with t4 flurry or nexus because they were poor

Life of a poor feelsbad

[cyan notch]

u

[olive ember]

Only 1.7k melk bucks for t4 perk

[glossy breach]

this is my staff

[olive ember]

I mean I skip t4 precog if that counts for anything

[olive ember]

Oh um

[near wyvern]

Yea

[worn bolt]

tfw I have 10k melk bucks because everything he has had for the past 2 weeks was complete dogshit

[olive ember]

Blessings don’t transfer between staffs

[glossy breach]

crap

[olive ember]

Each staff counts as a different family

Yeah…. Prob should’ve specified

Well you got a half decent trauma staff atleast?

[worn bolt]

honestly I would just earn the t4 blessing and try to roll for a better one

[olive ember]

Replace sprint eff and terrifying barrage for tending shock

[worn bolt]

the 63% charge rate is not great

[olive ember]

I had 6k but I started buying random shit for blessings

I’m down to like 2k now

[crude trout]

how does toughness regen in curios work? does it only affect how much toughness I regen while in coherency or does it improve the start of the regen while in coherency?

[near wyvern]

@olive ember

Look at this light attack damage. If there is a duo, one with rending shockwave and another one with uncanny strike 4 combat blade you could just eat the crushers in a few seconds

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/brittleness-and-rending-can-stack-over-100/78700

[near wyvern]

Affects only passive coherency regen, probably. Haven't tested if it affects the shredder toughness when firing blessing since that seems to obey the same delay rules as coherency regen.

[glossy breach]

So guys usually go where to get some advanced blessed

just paly the Damnation?

[olive ember]

🤔 amazing

[near wyvern]

Damnation is best for mats yeah if you can consistently clear it

[olive ember]

I fish through Melk shop every day

And then cry

[glossy breach]

Thx

[olive ember]

Coherency iirc

[glossy breach]

i think i just need to play Damnation over and over :p

[olive ember]

Could be wrong tho

None of the damn tooltips are particularly clear

[near wyvern]

Melk is your best T4 per hours of in-game, Damantion farming is your best T4 per hour of IRL life. It takes around 2 games to roll a weapon from gray to orange and you get around 1 T4 every 4 or 5th roll. The higher the base stats, the better the chances. So around 1 T4 roll per 4-5 hours of Damnation.

[crude trout]

so does this mean it's more useful for ogryns with lynchpin?

[olive ember]

No clue

I don’t run ogryn enough

Or zealot for that matter

Too busy grinding mhr recently so

I only play psyker

[fierce sinew]

I wish they would come out and just give us the probability spread, because 1 t4 every 4/5 weapons fully consecrated is maybe double the rate I anecdotally see

[cyan notch]

they aint gon say shit

[fierce sinew]

yeah they aren't

but it would be nice if they did

[cyan notch]

we gotta do a community spreadsheet like vt2

[hollow kestrel]

guys is this worth buying in any way? I mean who would be using blade on psyker but those stats looks really good 😄

[blazing oak]

I’ve been trying out I think t3 charge rate blessing on surge and It’s a bit annoying because I can only use the max stacks once because of peril unless I use the ability

[cyan notch]

i like uncanny lacerate

[fierce sinew]

that's a mod I'd use, something that automatically records consecrate results to a local json or something

[olive ember]

Is the base stat bs affect blessings?

[fierce sinew]

for data collection purposes

[olive ember]

Not worth imo

[shadow wigeon]

It is also a small discount on peril, because you charge faster. If you play max efficiency build you can get another full charge in before you top out.

[olive ember]

Uncanny lacerate is pgood but it’s two t3 perks

[blazing oak]

max efficiency

I’m ok

[vale creek]

anyone else seen this?

[leaden thunder]

yes

[olive ember]

They screwed the tooltips for some blessings yeah

[leaden thunder]

warp nexus, thrust and power cycler

[olive ember]

Blessing Still works fine tho in game

[vale creek]

okay

[leaden thunder]

deadshot for vet is actually fully bugged tho

[shadow wigeon]

It’s a strong build. You can put out a lot of tickle fingers.

[olive ember]

SMH Sean is a filthy greatsword main

[blazing oak]

Feels like minmaxing to do a max “x” build

[olive ember]

In mh

[leaden thunder]

yes

[cyan notch]

ig players when other people have a bigger sword than them (penis envy)

[vale creek]

i just wooooosh my fireeeeeuuu

[shadow wigeon]

Eh, only kinda. You’re just building for a specific function in game. Not really min maxing.

[olive ember]

I use HBG tho

As my tertiary weapon

[shadow wigeon]

Surge has a good max warp resist build that isn’t great on other staffs so

It’s just a build

[olive ember]

I mean trauma functions well with worth resist

[olive ember]

What MR

I will judge you

[leaden thunder]

I haven't even finished sunbreak yet

[olive ember]

…

Perfect I need to grind

Wanna add me

[leaden thunder]

it's drg time rn

[shadow wigeon]

That's true, seems like everyone likes WU on Trauma but i could be wrong.

[olive ember]

DRG time?

SMH

[olive ember]

I mean it helps with hitting breakpoints so yeah most people prefer WU

But tranquility also helps

[shadow wigeon]

What perks preferred for Flurry/Rending Trauma?

[autumn smelt]

i havent even finished the grind for base game rise lmao

[leaden thunder]

I have also been going back and farming for decos

since I never did

[autumn smelt]

first mh game i play and i cannot get behind the fact that i feel like any upgrade or change to my build does nothing to my actual gameplay

[olive ember]

Yoooo I can help you totally

I need to grind MR anyways to unlock the newest monster

And then there’s anomaly grind

[autumn smelt]

i feel like carapace is a no brainer but i dont use trauma so idk what the other one is

[olive ember]

Carapace and then your choice of unarmoured/flak iirc

But I don’t use trauma

Prob better to wait for arcotash

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I've got +cara, not sure about the other

[autumn smelt]

new trauma perk?

[shadow wigeon]

maybe even unyielding for bulwanks

[autumn smelt]

that also is an idea

afaik trauma just deals so much raw damage that its personal preference

cuz your blessings already got you covered on its weakness, that being the charge time

[near wyvern]

Don't have hard proof for it but that's my experience. Rolling 370+ weapons seem to yield T4s a lot better than something like 330-350

[shadow wigeon]

I recorded 100 rolls of 360+ and 330- up to blue and got the same distribution of T2/3’s (and 0 T4 FWIW).

Not a huge sample tho

[ornate hamlet]

Is this a known issue?

[olive ember]

Yeah

[ornate hamlet]

ANyone know what this one is?

[olive ember]

It’s a tooltip bug should still function as is

Thrust

Not good on psyker

[ornate hamlet]

Thrust on an axe?

[olive ember]

Yeah you can barely make out “power_bonus_based_on_charge_time”

Yeah the caxes can get thrust

It isn’t that good iirc

Not bad but not good

[shadow wigeon]

Wield your mighty axe to boost your flame stacks

[olive ember]

I mean headtaker would be better than thrust no

[shadow wigeon]

Both for maximum meme power

Use the new praise the emperor mod as you life your axe

[olive ember]

Lmao true

[fierce sinew]

limbsplitter cancel + headtaker for optimized power axe memes

[left basin]

soo

does unstable power add +5% percent if IV on max peril?

[leaden thunder]

20%

[prisma perch]

My Beloved loves thrust

[left basin]

hm

[prisma perch]

Best thing I got on my antax

I was surely blessed when I rolled sprint + block and thrust on a 380 antax

[near wyvern]

And to blue. I have gotten all my T4 at orange.

I know some people say it's possible at blue, but clearly it's very rare to get a T4 at blue.

[olive ember]

I mean it has to be possible for those weapons with double t4 blessings where the 1st blessing is locked

[shadow wigeon]

I have many T4’s from blue, just the odds were pretty poor. I haven’t noticed any remarkable increase in T4’s at orange.

But I’ve rolled hundreds of blues by now, and maybe 100 orange.

@near wyvern Looking at all my oranges, I do see slightly more 4's in second slot than in first.

[distant lynx]

does fatshark really think its fun and meaningful to press refine for 35 minutes (literally) so i can roll 30% tougness regen on the f curio...

[shadow wigeon]

Its a terrible system. Its worth getting the mod to get rid of it.

[olive ember]

You weren’t supposed to refine for 35 min

After all, rerolls were supposed to get more expensive not cheaper

[lunar hollow]

which was just

such an insanely bad idea

[hollow current]

next Tide game is going to have paid gacha mechanics for gear.

[void mural]

Lol, you actually think they tested the system?! Hahaha

Get yourself the reroll until rarity mod

Saves your mouse, fingers, and time, and actually gets you the perk you want

[distant lynx]

yes i wanted to see how long it takes
for the two of my curious i got in like 5 mins, the 3rd one has obviously given me a very special rng treatment

[void mural]

When it takes 360 rolls... I ain't doing that by hand. I've seen people take 1000 rolls to get what they want before. Fuck that

[clear heath]

I've seen around 800 a few times

imagine doing that manually

[void mural]

Yeah, fuck that

If every click took 1 second, then that'd be 27 mins

Just nonstop clicking

[olive ember]

Only half an hour

Ez

SMH kids these days

Remember when people clicked on a tree in new world?

That was peak entertainment back then

[halcyon creek]

I remember the Loot Cave in Destiny

[ionic needle]

I remember spending days killing snakes to sell their skin to afford a mount in wow

[hollow current]

like this?

fantastic system

[void mural]

Exactly

Fuck doing that by hand

[blazing oak]

I’m just glad I got a weapon early on that I was reasonably satisfied with and don’t chase after this crappy system

[olive ember]

More importantly

Why were you looking for corruption resist

[shadow wigeon]

Asking the real questions

[distant lynx]

maybe he's doing dem big grim runs, dem extra money savings for darktide inflation

haha

[olive ember]

But then where’s the ordo dockets

[digital loom]

i had a curio take 3,563 rolls to get the t4 perk i wanted

thankfully the auto roller works when the game is minimized

[void mural]

Oof

[lilac grotto]

does bloodthirsty and blazing spirit synergise well on a force sword?

[leaden thunder]

technically

but in practice it isn't great

[muted obsidian]

Damn, Deimos sword made me like playing psyker.

[knotty sage]

Best Blessings for Illisi Horde Management?

[ionic needle]

1. Slaughterer
2. ???
3. Profit!

[knotty sage]

Replace Slaughterer for higher lvl Slaughterer?

[runic gate]

I took a month off from this game, feels so very nice with the updates. Swapped off staff meta and became a pistol enjoyer as of this morning. Having a blast with the new psyker options.

[shadow wigeon]

Shred + Blazing is ok on Illisi. Still underwhelming tho.
And Soulblaze loves Slaughterer.

[lilac grotto]

tyty

[shadow wigeon]

I was just trying this, actually... in desperation trying to make it work. it just doesn't do very much.

Shred + Blazing lights em quite a lot. But w/o slaughterer the damage is a bit unremarkable.

[quiet galleon]

is toughness regen speed considered good on our qurios?

[ornate hamlet]

Hey, question.

[solemn summit]

Is there a resource that outlines what Weapon stats are worth upgrading? Coming back to the game & haven't played since release

[vernal frost]

its bis on any class honestly

[ornate hamlet]

Does the Blaze Sword's special count as a Warp attack?

[vernal frost]

yup

[onyx frigate]

no way

the 380

the 380 is real

[kind jay]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-its-gone-gif-4104229

[onyx frigate]

I have lost

[void mural]

Yup, this crafting system isn't worth fighting to get anything good. Most of my weapon that I use are either just high base rolls, and ignore the blessing, or 1 blessing is good.

The only way to get good weapons IMO, is to buy a blue or higher that already has a perk and blessing you want, and then upgrade it

[autumn smelt]

have you done the dungeon that starts in the cave in d2

[fresh reef]

inb4 brick

[shadow wigeon]

That is the cheapest way, but rolling grey to blue is the way to get top tier gear.

[halcyon creek]

Sadly I bounced off of D2

[fresh reef]

LMAO

[shadow wigeon]

Your Intern-assigned Training Staff

[void mural]

It's "technically" a way. It's not worth my time to even try because of the layer upon layer of RNG that this shit "crafting" system has

[ionic needle]

This is actually working out kind of well. The low warp res gives me like 30% peril/special and then I can chop heads to quell and get toughness back from quietitude.

[shadow wigeon]

It's a matter of how much you play. You can roll some nearly-peak gear after a good 10-20 damnations, on average, if there's one weapon you like.

[autumn smelt]

it was really fun, its a pirate themed dungeon that starts in the loot cave, and you kill enemies to get burdened by riches by picking up the fake exotic engrams they drop
just look up Grasp of Avarice OST and youll feel like youre jack sparrow instantly

[halcyon creek]

Ha

[void mural]

Yeah, not really worth the chase, because of how low the odds are of actually getting everything you want on a weapon, because of way it works

[autumn smelt]

lots of loot from and references to d1 and halo in that update

[halcyon creek]

Nice

[void mural]

High base rating and 1 blessing is about as far as I'm willing to chase good gear in darktide

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's alright. After Slaughterer, different blessings open up different strategies.

[ionic needle]

I have this but I need to get off of Deflector and playing around peril with low warp res is more engaging

[shadow wigeon]

After many many games I have come back around to using Deflector - if you can use it to get more aggressive, it's still strong. But definitely other options to explore.

[leaden thunder]

don't be a shieldgryn with it 100%

[ionic needle]

Yeah I just don't like how it breeds bad habits, I shouldn't get caught out by shooters anymore

[shadow wigeon]

I mean... or the opposite, you use it to walk down shooters and merc then while you heal off their bullets

[leaden thunder]

I feel like it's kind of like ogryns condifent strike

but the thing with deflector is the weapon has better damage options then just the 1

while most ogryn weapons have like 1 good blessing, or are strong enough they don't need more after the 1 really good blessing

also psyker is smaller so it's easier to not just take stray hits

[late yew]

cringiest psyker build

[late yew]

can you block sniper btw?

[leaden thunder]

I think you can, sometimes

idk if that's changed tho

[spice veldt]

snipers are unblockables, similar to crushers and maulers as far as I can tell

[leaden thunder]

like if it's targeting you specifically then you can but if it is targeting someone else you don't block it

I wouldn't try it anyway

[potent glade]

can someone tell me what to look for on voidstrike staff

[late yew]

blast radius is dump stat. BEst blessings are quell on weak spot and flurry. Perks don't know 😦

[shadow wigeon]

No, BUT there is a weird bug report floating around that I have not tested... nor do i care to: https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/kinetic-deflection-disables-the-deflector-blessing-against-snipers/75140/6

[spice veldt]

at least in the meatgrinder, I couldn't block sniper shots

but I was always left with 10% stamina if I wasn't using kinetic deflection

still ate through my tough and hp though

[hollow current]

800k game on a duo hi int and we wipe because I trust the guy to kill a mutant after it passed me.

[spice veldt]

I've lost a duo from getting separated by bomber fire and getting dogged right at the finale

[scarlet timber]

whats the build

on trauma staff?

[hollow current]

It was the chasm station raid so we were fucked anyways. After 5 minutes of being in the train and not making progress it was a matter of time.

[hollow current]

warp flurry and rending shockwave.

unarmored is a mandatory perk imo. second can go either flak or infested.

[spice veldt]

I personally like focused + rending, but I also don't use trauma for hordeclear

[scarlet timber]

got this

piece of shit...

fuck you hadron

[hollow current]

well you can put rending on it to try Acro's build.

But I like flurry for rapid cc.

[olive ember]

arco is unskilled and uses focused channeling

smh

[hollow current]

Throw infested on it for horde or flak for uh flak, guys.

focused sounds so nice but flurry is just too good imo and rending has such high team utility.

[solemn summit]

So getting back into the game since release and trying to navigate this shitshow of a crafting system. My understanding is prioritize good stat rolls & be happy with 1 good blessing and 1 good trait. But I don't know what is meta for each weapon. Any one have a resource that has that information??

[hollow current]

Every time I get shot out of a cast I think about that blessing.

say something wrong and people will textually abuse you and correct you rather quickly

That's how you get the info.

[blazing oak]

I don’t think anyone’s compiled it

[solemn summit]

LOL

[blazing oak]

Get a couple of weapons you are looking at using the most and ask about those

[solemn summit]

cunningham's law

Running forcswordV & Surge staff right now

b/c thats what was on jsat's last video

[blazing oak]

Surge staff: respect+

[hollow current]

deimos and illi are cracked weapons.

Surge is p good, especially if you're mostly melee and whip it out to stun elites/specials

[olive ember]

Alright so

first thing you gotta learn is

jsat's build is bleh

he uses kinetic shield for no reason smh

and certain things are geared towards solo play

like kinetic shield

[hollow current]

does kinetic shield even get you the toughness breakpoint with no curio stuff?

[olive ember]

its basically an extra toughness curio

so

[solemn summit]

i did make changes for pugs

[olive ember]

do you like taking one extra shot

[solemn summit]

so its not his pure solo build

my gear isn't good cause I've been focusing on getting the blessings learned

[hollow current]

I've heard something about a toughness curio letting you take (1) gun burst without breaking your toughness.

[olive ember]

Yeah no idk why he takes warp battery

he doesn't even explain it

hes just like "oh yeah 8% more dmg is just BiS"

[solemn summit]

well I'm all ears for suggestions. Or if theres a streamer/youtube that has their shit on lock I'll check them out as well

[olive ember]

Thats his build in the video but

I mean I guess if you BB alot it's BiS

basically kinetic shield vs deflection is personal taste

do you prefer toughness DR or the ability to block, pushattack, and revive with impunity

[solemn summit]

I found with Psychic communion keeps me up on warp charges

the toughness DR

[olive ember]

just use KF for charge up keep

thats the big thing

[ionic needle]

God damn Zealot got me beat on the crits :<

[olive ember]

idk why he uses WB

I'd have to go into the psyk to confirm but I'm pretty sure you can one shot flamers/Bursters with BB with 4 stacks + WU

and if you can't those are the only two notable break points

KF is just.... better

[solemn summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ I just know him from VT2 and thought he seemed knowledgeable & hope that carried over to DT

[olive ember]

it also lets you take aura without sacrificing warp gen

Oh no he is

but idk if I particularly agree with his build choices, and he doesn't really give too much reasoning most of the time

just a reminder that back in the CBT he chose wrack and ruin and his reasoning was "more damage for BB"

granted that was the CBT and no one knew what soulblaze did but still

[solemn summit]

I like to play meta builds so was looking for a place that I could give me that info

[olive ember]

Anyways, the build I would suggest is 3/1/2/1/3/3

Basically, Aura for the CDR, run KF for warp charge upkeep

[fresh reef]

does anyone else really wish bombers didn't stagger?

[olive ember]

eh honestly I can avoid em well enough

[fresh reef]

I just hate that the thing that's supposed to be area denial effectively functions as a 100-0 if you're in melee

[olive ember]

oh yeah its annoying

tho its actually avoidable

basically the moment he drops the bomb you just have to dodge slide away whether or not you killed him

[shadow wigeon]

Alright, I tried to make the most degenerate and functional fire build I could:

Spirit on sword, then WAR are the two least useful parts, but they still add up to more blaze = warp absorb = warp charges

[olive ember]

That’s not functional imo

Zero warp charge gen

[shadow wigeon]

Dude, im full so often

Wildfire is dope

[olive ember]

Your going to be applying 2 stack AB

I mean

[shadow wigeon]

Sometimes 1, mostly 4

[olive ember]

I guess if that’s what you trying to do

[shadow wigeon]

It really prefers hi int

Low int is not great

The toughness from WA with Wildfire is excellent

If there is another purg psyker or flame zealot... it can suffer a bit

On the toughness side, but you still get all your charges

[formal ether]

Can a Trauma Force staff hit weak spots on secondary charge?

Or is Transfer Peril just completely useless on it?

[runic gate]

Have you tried it? I'm having a blast. Nice to play something besides staff and carry team.

[hearty python]

@formal ether someone said a while ago here it doesn't, but I've never tested it to see, I'm not a fan of Trauma's dynamic but I have seen it in all levels of play

@formal ether you could try it out in the meat grinder to be sure

[formal ether]

i had a bad feeling that was the case, thanks. Guess i'll shelve this staff for now. It rolled with level IV transfer peril and I can't get it to trigger on the secondary blast

[velvet trail]

@olive emberregarding the earlier point, 4 charges + WU cant kill ragers and flamers unless you have high peril

[hearty python]

@formal ether oof, I've been looking for that transfer peril IV for my void for a while and can't get it

[olive ember]

Yes but why aren’t you at high peril smh

[velvet trail]

cuz i just ulted for barrage :<

[formal ether]

Me too. Sad and stupid that same-name blessings don't cross item pools

Because lobbing energy watermelons at head height and removing 30% peril is amazing

[hearty python]

@formal ether some do some don't, all the force swords share, but none of the staffs do

[olive ember]

He just hates auto pistol psykers

[hearty python]

@formal ether yep, starting at 60+ and ending at 8% is great, Transfer/WF Voidstrike sometimes feels like cheating and I'm hoping they don't nerf it, but we psykers don't seem to be as balance bitchy as Vets and Zealots

[olive ember]

That’s a lie

Look at @spice veldt he wants axes, the illisi, the deimos, autopistol, and every staff besides voidstrike and surge nerfed

[magic burrow]

imagine scolding others for their weapon choice

[olive ember]

Might as well put one in the back of our head as well

[formal ether]

Sounds like heresy to me.

[spice veldt]

a nerf in every household

[digital loom]

i dont scold people for weapon choice

if thats how they have fun who am i to argue

i will make fun of them tho

just once

[olive ember]

I don’t scold them

I will however judge them

Quite loudly

Like all those fucking deimos users

[digital loom]

i use deimos

too bad

[blazing oak]

Deimos with Surge staff

[digital loom]

https://tenor.com/view/haters-haters-gonna-hate-i-dont-care-gif-13829857

[north solstice]

you guys actually use weapons?

gain like an ounce of skill and just use BB

[digital loom]

i sign psykers who only use bb up for spam mail

[north solstice]

its okay to be jealous, but just admit you need to get better :/

[digital loom]

spam mail is coming to your location as we speak

[north solstice]

ill brain burst it

[blazing oak]

No feats brainburst only solo damnation shock hi int on data interrogation mission

[north solstice]

call that bitch my warm up

[blazing oak]

Nice

[radiant lance]

Best blessings for Surge?

Flurry obviously is one. The second?

[paper harbor]

Recon VId and kinetic flayer

Ain’t bad I’m using them

[slate oasis]

is there a max number of Soulblaze stacks you can apply to an enemy?

[paper harbor]

My guess is 10

[blazing oak]

The crit one I guess is what most say

[near wyvern]

@void mural https://youtu.be/Rlw0Y5I6TWs

[void mural]

I don't really see a difference? It was really noticeable with left click quell canceling

[olive ember]

31

But it’s dumb because some things have a built in limit

So the max stacks in total from all sources (from multiple players etc.) that can be applied to one target is 31

But wildfire only applies stacks up to 4, purge staff I believe can only apply up to 15 or 16 stacks etc etc

[digital loom]

its more than enough

blaze trauma gets stronger the more enemies there are

[hollow current]

million dockets. 30k plasteel. time to roll for a marginally better staff

[digital loom]

because you have to get it going

once you get it going the momentum is very strong

it will burn through a throng in notime

i wouldnt say its better than shredder or any other options psyker has, its good

if you like to play with fire it's an interesting take

[north solstice]

damage stat too low on this?

i have slaughterer so it shouldnt be an issue

but just worried

[olive ember]

eh 319 FS

[digital loom]

its good enough for now

[olive ember]

it will work but obviosuly replace it at earliest convenience

wat level is he?

[digital loom]

first target and finesse are good enough

damage is kinda eh but it's not under 50

should work fine

[north solstice]

this is the alternative

i find an easier time for horde clear with the first

[digital loom]

i'd use that one because it has max finesse

[north solstice]

am able to clear out most adds

[digital loom]

but its my preference

[north solstice]

imma try out both in a damnation and come back

[digital loom]

as long as it kills stuff its just about which one feels better

follow your gut

[north solstice]

thanks boo

[hollow current]

wooo 6000 plasteel and 200k and I got a marginally better staff

[near wyvern]

there is quite a lot of difference, it's the difference between a mob hitting you and you getting that next cast off

it's easier to feel if you try it yourself

[shadow wigeon]

I love this build. Wildfire is really awesome, and AB generates enough charges you can use Aura. It's so fun, you get to do a bit of everything. WAR is still minor, but I think is competitive now.

It's not exactly more damage but you get to be way more active and use all your tools.

[obtuse moth]

imo WU makes your soulblaze far more effective than WaR

[shadow wigeon]

I am not often at max peril in this case, and the extra damage isn't super necessary. Plus, more blaze targets = more WC/WA

[obtuse moth]

i'm glad you're having fun with it, i tried it and wanted to like it but it didn't end up synergising with my approach

[shadow wigeon]

So, WU is probably more power, but WAR is not "useless"

[obtuse moth]

illisi alt fire spam with slaughterer/unstable power is really strong with AB

[shadow wigeon]

I'm only using Slaughterer with this, and for jokes I have blazing as well.

[obtuse moth]

or just really active staff use

[obtuse moth]

ah that looks like a fun build

[shadow wigeon]

Sprinting for as many stacks as possible, get into melee, punch AB when you feel like it

It's super fun. You go staff/melee/bb all over the place.

[obtuse moth]

blazing spirit in force swords is only useful with wildfire haha

since it makes burning jump from corpses

[shadow wigeon]

TBH Blazing is the one I'm going to cut from this

I DID get WC's JUST from Blazing tho

But, hard to say how much of a difference it made

[obtuse moth]

ive tried to use run and gun but i found sliding works just as well for me

[shadow wigeon]

and if someone else kills them, all good - WCs anyway

so 1 stack is enough

Aura with AB is chef's kiss

Just being able to blast more often is so fun

[obtuse moth]

isnt there a hidden cap on wildfire of max 4 stacks? or did they remove that

[shadow wigeon]

A lot of LMB just to top up 1-3 stacks

WAR gives more value from poppin elited which feeds Aura nicely

You get to use AB very often

[obtuse moth]

Hmm "Wildfire had some stack shenanigans making it bad a purg, mainly because everything you're trying to kill is already at above the soul blaze stacks it can transfer. You'll rarely want to brain burst, so wrack isnt that great either, and its competing with either more flames because warp resist or higher damage overall with warp unleashed." I've seen this sentiment often in the discord

[shadow wigeon]

I am never at max blaze stacks with this builds

And the front guys have a few more stacks from the LMB while I close the gap, then they turn into a virus just spreading theur stacks backwards as you melee

And my little heart wants to beleive that Blazing adds those extra 4 stacks every now and then

and passes them back

[north solstice]

lol

am glad someones using WaR

[shadow wigeon]

It feels mildly useful in this build

Like... you're happy to see the burn every time.

And Aura if you're lucky

[north solstice]

if you are using ascendant blaze you might have a better time using warp battery but if wildfire works fine i wouldnt switch

since youre using purg

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire is huge

Biggest part of the build

[north solstice]

cwazy

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah the toughness you get from Wildfire spread is great, and the WC's as well. Wildfire is what makes it all work.

On my normal staff I've witched between Battery and Wildfire, I'm not convinced which is better. At least, it's close.

[north cradle]

From Essence Harvest or Warp Absorption?

[shadow wigeon]

WA

If there is another flamer, you will not get as many WA procs, but Wildfire randomly kills so many targets

You can finish a fight and run off while Slaughter gets ticks off Wildfire spreading.

[north cradle]

Real shit? I thought it was just from getting melee kills

[shadow wigeon]

Any kill will proc it

Tiny side benefit is you are at max slaughter most of the time. NBD buit it's still nice.

[obtuse moth]

Max blaze Stacks for wildfire afaik is 4, if something has four it won't get anything from wildfire, making it unable to get to six stacks

[shadow wigeon]

The receiver can't get more than the one that transferred.

Wildfire transfers 4, up to the max of the one it came from

[obtuse moth]

Yeah but there’s a hidden stack cap too

On top of that mechanic

[shadow wigeon]

If that's the case, then 4 is enough w/ slaughter

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah looks like it doesn't apply more than 4. Well, that's clearly enough to be very strong.

That does mean I can get rid of Blazing on melee and not miss out on much.

[steel flame]

I heard you liked impact

So I gave you some extra impact so you're more impacty

[spice veldt]

stealing the job of the trauma staff 😡

[steel flame]

expanding my trauma staff job* :)

[north solstice]

graaaaah

how do you guys do pick n mix

[spice veldt]

I got it early on when commsplex was just released, so teammates were a bit more meh back then

wasn't even intentionally going for the penance 😎

[lilac tapir]

I think the easiest way to get it now is run hunting grounds and get it from the group of weak dogs

run KB ofc, that's a must

what perk should reroll and to what? Specialists to Flak? Maniac?

[runic gate]

Taking a break for a couple months found this, not great but the stats are right.

[hollow current]

elites to flak or maniac imo. but idk if there any breakpoints gained through either.

[north solstice]

i love you

thanks

[hearty python]

@north solstice I'm pretty sure it needs to be 6 different types, so heresy and shock troop gauntlet or high intensity, Kinetic barrage and Psykinetic aura to refresh if needed

[tropic vigil]

does malleus monstronum apply to assassination missions w/ end boss?

[tropic vigil]

i just got it 2 matches ago, i got it easy heresy and shock troop

just hope your ogryn does a good job standing in front of you

[hollow current]

they count as monsters for the contracts so I suppose so?

amazing. 3/5 of deimos I consecrated got hit by melee crit hit damage for the first perk.

amazing staff with trash perks and blessings.

[coarse dagger]

what wuld my siblings change about this? keeping in mind i have but one t4 blessing which is precognition

[hollow current]

You could try unarmored to flak maybe. uncanny to unstable power for more power or deflector if you like it.

tho uncanny probably ain't bad in itself.

[coarse dagger]

good ideas

yeah unstable is nice to have only got t2 unstable sadly

[hollow current]

ah yeah I'd keep uncanny over unstable then. t4 unstable tho

[coarse dagger]

maybe one day ill get it. that executor blessing is the first time i have seen it

[hollow current]

I don't have it either. and am waiting patiently.

[tall temple]

Which one do I use lads? I also have Shred 4, Unstable 4, and Uncanny Strike 4

[spice veldt]

I don't like shred, but I'd prefer the left one because of the stats and t4 slaughterer

[tender onyx]

That slaughterer and shred combo looks pretty mean

[shadow wigeon]

#1 For damage, #2 if you want to swap Bloodthirsty to Deflector or some other blessing.

Shred + Slaughter is almost overkill, although it may pass some 1 shot breakpoints.

[tall temple]

Thanks for the help guys!

[dusk sierra]

blessed be the emperor's name. need to farm, seems like a good start though

[stoic tendon]

is wildfire good?

on ilsi

[gloomy yarrow]

BILLIONS of shredders wasted, just to get a mk2 pinning fire

Ill take it

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's nearly perfect. If you catch +flak or +maniac on your second perk, you've got a max tier weapon, and your second blessing can be many things.

[gloomy yarrow]

anyways I got flak what should I go with for the other perk

[shadow wigeon]

Do you mean the feat Wildfire, or the blessing Blazing Spirit?

[shadow wigeon]

Usually maniac, mostly for mutants.

[stoic tendon]

blazing spirit

[shadow wigeon]

Many will tell you it is a meme, but I have been running it all day as part of a wildfire build. It needs Slaughterer to work properly.

You really want Blazing 4, and Slaughterer 3 or 4.

[gloomy yarrow]

blessings for the ball staff

[shadow wigeon]

Transfer Peril is very powerful, and then ideally Warp Flurry.

[gloomy yarrow]

what transfer peril do

[stoic tendon]

bloodthirsty plus blazing spirit?

[shadow wigeon]

Peril reduction on weakspot hit. Basically aim high for heads, and you get refunded peril on every hit. it becomes almost unlimited.

[shadow wigeon]

I wouldn't recommend Bloodthirsty, but it will do some things.
If you want to take the power to the next level, Slaughterer.

If you just do Blazing + Bloodthirsty / Shred, you will apply fire - quite a bit of fire to be fair - but Slaughterer boost the damage even more.

[stoic tendon]

i havent played in awhile, i just figure 100% chance to drop 4 stacks was clazy

[shadow wigeon]

What Blazing level is it?

[shadow wigeon]

It is on paper, in practice it's a bit awkward. I prefer Shred, if you're going to make a fire sword. Less fiddly.

[stoic tendon]

honestly for gear i dont have anything good, more like theory crafting lol

[shadow wigeon]

Blazing 4 + Slaughterer 3/4 is quite strong IMO. Slaughterer boost the power of all your fire stacks (including from flame staff), and kills from blaze will trigger slaughterer.

It's a feedback loop - you almost instantly get to 5 stacks of Slaughter, and all your fire is doing almost double damage. Then add Wildfire in...

It is definitely an alternative build, but I'm loving it.

[gloomy yarrow]

just got called the n word by a pub ogryn

also fuck this penance I have been trying to do it for a while but I just cant do it

[tropic vigil]

What penance

[cyan notch]

yea but ur not getting crits

[shut ether]

Siblings I crave new Staff Blessings

[tropic vigil]

I just got warp battery trying to get the going out with a bang next

[shut ether]

400 hrs and no out with a bang for me. Granted I've never really tried to get it

[shadow wigeon]

@cyan notch We were talking the other day about being able to get enough warp charges just off Ascendant Blaze and it turns out it's possible, and quite fun.

Don't spit out your drink

[cyan notch]

seems fine

and yea just ab warp gen is too slow for me

fun fire build tho

[shadow wigeon]

You actually get quite a lot of WC out of it, and with Aura you are firing on AB more often. The trick is you are lighting everything on fire, even just one stack.

The jury is out, but I actually missed Blazing Spirit when I took it off this build. It seems to be keeping melee topped up and spreading Wildfire more reliably.

And Wrack and Ruin is actually ok. Every blaze stack is good for you, so it's fairly competitive.

[cyan notch]

u already are lighting everything on fire with purg though

and the warp gen from everything on fire is a little slow without communion

also kinda double dipping with double horde omega horde clear

[livid dirge]

just tried wildfire. id rather just have 8% more damage and AB becomes an insta horde kill with 6 stacks

[shadow wigeon]

You don't just rely on Purg on this, lots of melee, lots of BB - and that turns into warp stacks and toughness

[livid dirge]

i also like inner tranquility with warp battery

[shadow wigeon]

Plus Aura and Ascendant is a really fun

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah that's the standard build

Realistically you can use Warp Unleashed instead of Tranquility, as Purg does ok on peril.

[livid dirge]

i havent used it since they buffed its damage increase

[shadow wigeon]

You can go both ways. One is a bit more damage, the other is more flaming. Both good.

Wildfire is just too much fun tho

[livid dirge]

i dont have run n gun or blazing spirit so maybe thats why i didnt like it. i felt like the cone of fire was good enough at spreading the soul blaze. am i missing something?

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire works with Slaughterer, and Blazing Spirit is just icing on top.
4 stack burn with 5 stacks of Slaughterer does a lot of damage, and just keeps spreading.

[livid dirge]

yeah maybe i gotta roll a better sword. might make the difference

my sword is ok but i feel stronger just blasting

[shadow wigeon]

The most sensible thing to do is blast.
But it's still worth taking out your sword for Slaughter stacks. Once you have 4-5 stacks on them, you will just wipe the out (you need to proc Slaughterer first)

[livid dirge]

am i missing an interaction with slaughterer? stacks last 2 seconds and dont they only apply to melee?

[shadow wigeon]

They apply +power which affects all your damage. They stack up to 5 times, and as long as you get a kill (from any source) every 2 seconds, you maintain the stacks.

So +75% power on all your burn stacks, and each kill will keep it going.

(Slaughterer 4 anyway)

5 x 15% power

[livid dirge]

does melee have to stay out?

[shadow wigeon]

Yes, the blessing is only active with melee out

So light everything on fire, then switch to melee for double damage fire, while you go fight other things

[livid dirge]

ahh

[prisma perch]

Randomly got cliffhanger by knocking people off a staircase like 3 feet down

[livid dirge]

i cant find higher than slaughterer 1...

ive been trying all week

[shadow wigeon]

In time

[livid dirge]

ive got 222 hours in the game lol.

how much more time does the game expect?

[shadow wigeon]

No comment

[livid dirge]

granted its not all on psyker

ill keep working on finding a higher level slaughterer and try wildfire again

[obtuse moth]

i believe its every other hit, and only if you hit heads both times

[cyan notch]

yeah double fire damage until the target dies in the next hit and then youll just have double 1 stack damage when it spreads which is like 10 damage

[obtuse moth]

rng systems without pity timers are pitiless. it could literally take an infinite amount of time

[dusk sierra]

heall yeah. so the crit is good?

[hearty python]

@obtuse moth I should be every the way it is worded

[shadow wigeon]

You get all 4 stacks, at max bonus - ticking for 35 on some groaners for instance.

[cyan notch]

yea 35 damage to yea the ones u hit (that didnt die) with your sword in front of you (which will die in the next hit) and spread 1 stack to surrounding stuff which does no damage

[shadow wigeon]

No this is just the passive damage tey spread to eachother, with no interaction from you.

And it spreads 4 stacks each time

There is some oddity about how the stacks hope, but it mostly just keeps tearing through the mob on it's own

[cyan notch]

wdym no interaction from you

you have to hit them and crit and not kill them to proc blazing spirit

and yea it spreads 4 stacks but not 4 to each target more like 1 stack each

[ashen pilot]

Best blessings for mk3 trauma force staff?

[obtuse moth]

warp flurry and the rending;/brittle shockwave one

the second one doesnt help your damage though, just helps the team

[ashen pilot]

Thank you

[shadow wigeon]

Well you're never hitting just one enemy, you're just swinging into the mob. Light crits on Illisi aren't one shotting anything unless you WS, so you're getting stacks, they die, spread, something else gets stacks dies... all the stack you put it just keep cascading down.

I'm mixing Purg and Blazing together, but Blazing on it's own generates some burn (much less than purg), and a few warp charges here and there. And the damage is passively spreading anyway, once you've applied enough fire, you can hit them, or not, whatever

You're just adding to WC/WA gen

[atomic forum]

making use of this interaction might be the only use of that talent i've thought might be plausibly helpful, but doesn't it still apply stacks very unevenly and is still just quite limited?

[cyan notch]

yes youre spreading stacks but its effectively 1 stack to like 4 targets which doesnt do any damage which does give u warp gen sure but it not damage

[shadow wigeon]

Not in practice, everyone is spreading their stacks, everyone is getting 4 stacks

[atomic forum]

warp charge generation seems to be the primary purpose of wildfire given the column its in

[cyan notch]

what do you mean everyone is spreading their stacks you arent getting more stacks just 4 and down cuz you arent critting that often either

[obtuse moth]

it also lets your soulblaze jump from wave to wave or dead body to living thing. and it makes 4 stack builds less annoying that 6 stack AB builds

yea theres a lot of limitations to WF unfortunately from what people say in discord, like 1 stack not transferring and anything that has 4 or more not getting any either

[atomic forum]

makes them less annoying how?

[obtuse moth]

getting or maintaining 4 stacks is a lot less effort and commitment than 6, esp on a half minute or less cycle

[shadow wigeon]

Cleave on Illisi is hitting 3 guys, for starters, so you're regularly applying 8 or 12 stacks at a time.

[obtuse moth]

base crit is like 5% though afaik

[shadow wigeon]

And you're not using it as the sole source. It's just more stacks, faster kiling, and occassionally helps keep the fire going.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah so I tried running without Blazing, and it was noticeable that Wildfire would fade under melee at times.

I have a hunch Blazing is actually putting in some work.

[obtuse moth]

it can work yea, but AB + unstable power, slaughterer, and warp unleashed is pretty self sustaining (without wildfire)

[atomic forum]

kinetic flayer imo feels the best for keeping warp charges up passively and is also just, passive free damage still

[obtuse moth]

when i abuse the illisi with ascendant blaze, i regularly get more stacks than i expend (unless i'm already at six of course)

[obtuse moth]

yeah but 6 stacks of burn does a LOT more damage than 4

[shadow wigeon]

Wildfire just kills targets that were outside of Blaze, and purg targets, and if other players apply blaze and you tack some on. It activates quite a lot in practice.

Getting 4 stacks back w/o Communion happens a fair bit

[obtuse moth]

more than double

[atomic forum]

I currently only use ascendant blaze with my shredder build, in which case i've found that even in damnation, 4 stacks and then pumping burn damage with shredder blessings is enough to kill gunners while i'm shooting elites

[obtuse moth]

4 stacks is 11.41 base damage, 6 stacks is 24.47

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah 4 stacks is plenty when you pump it.

[atomic forum]

yeah 6 stacks is a ton more damage it's just, it makes me WAY more conservative with my ult, and that isn't necessarily something I like. i like using it for 25 toughness and knocking down a few riflemen, or saving someone from a dog

[obtuse moth]

the 4% chance feat, keeps up stacks a lot faster if you're using AB on cooldown. you'd only get less than 2 stacks from flayer at a 15s cooldown and you lose out on the horde clear damage of wildfire and the double damage AB of 6 stacks. flayer is a valid choice but its not that amazing tbh

[atomic forum]

so as long as I can hit breakpoints I want without needing 6 stacks, at least on that specific build, i'll stick with kinetic flayer cuz, it's really fun, i think is quite good, and also is just, more palpable which at least to me is worth considering this is a video game

[shadow wigeon]

Flayer lets you take Aura, basically.

[obtuse moth]

use Warp unleashed + slaughterer/unstable power illisi, its easy to gain stacks rather than lose them if you ride high peril while ulting

[shadow wigeon]

But Communion is much more reliable

[atomic forum]

yeah in horde scenarios sure, but that's not where I care about getting warp charges. i'm already going to be getting warp charges there easily

[obtuse moth]

i dont worry about stacks much with communion and a few stacks.

[atomic forum]

i care about gaining and keeping warp charges passively throughout the mission, which kinetic flayer is perfect for. and also the number of times i've just heard a special, turned around, shot 3 shots at it and it gets brain bursted is comical. the cooldown + high fire rate weapons make it feel pretty consistent at hitting things i would want to brainburst anyway

[shadow wigeon]

I guess the question is... what do you want those stacks for?

If you take Flayer, it's because you want Aura, really.

[cyan notch]

yes but even if u apply 12 its going to be distributed evenly like 1 stack to everything around it its decent for warp gen but it doesnt do meaningful damage before they die to melee anyway

[atomic forum]

well, i want to have my extra damage back as soon as possible

on my purgatus build I take warp battery and psykinetic barrage because I'd rather just keep the damage ALL the time. shredder is so funny that i don't mind not having stacks sometimes

[shadow wigeon]

I don't necessarily melee them anymore, just let them die and kill each other. Walk off and do something else.

[shadow wigeon]

You don't need bonus damage for Shredder

I now it's nice to have, but it's just saving a bullet here and there

[cyan notch]

they arent going to die though they have 1 stack on them and are gonna chase you anyway

[shadow wigeon]

Burn those stacks. Although waiting for AB cooldown is the worst part.

[atomic forum]

the damage definitely is not necessary, that's true

[shadow wigeon]

You don't just swing once and walk away, you apply some fire, when you have enough, you can leave them. I use it in tandem with Purg LMB. You only need to get a few stacks on the overall mob to let Wildfire do it's thing.

[shadow wigeon]

In this case, Shredder and Pinning Fire and just so over tuned that it doesn't really matter. It's just theory crafting really, but you could try some other effects than Flayer. You really only care about having the stacks when you ult.

Flayer + Aura is very good for your team

[jade imp]

Weird question, how is brittleness looking on a purge staff?

[atomic forum]

aura is what i've been looking at

[atomic forum]

how do you mean?

[jade imp]

Like, it says on secondary, adds brittleness. Does that amp up the flames, lower the armor class, etc.

[shadow wigeon]

Mixing up staffs

[jade imp]

Oh, you're right, sorry.

[atomic forum]

The brittleness thing is for trauma, yeah

[jade imp]

So for flame, is it the crit chance and extra flames on crit?

[shadow wigeon]

I assume brittle would reduce armor and help fire.

[jade imp]

I'm guessing?

[shadow wigeon]

+1 stackon crit

[jade imp]

Yeah, figured.

[atomic forum]

which at max blessing, per hit makes 40% of damage ignore enemy armor i believe

it's 8 brittleness per max on the trauma right?

[atomic forum]

yeah +1 stack on crit. which is great tbh

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah. It's popular, but I'm not sure it matters hugely. If you're blasting, you wont know you critted anyway, so you're likely to just keep applying. It'll help if you are not streaming constantly.

It's free damage, but if you can't leverage it, the value is so so

[atomic forum]

it definitely doesn't help for fodder, but i feel like it helps for slightly larger targets where, i typically am going to swap to my melee after stacking up some fire. i'm not going to be at max stacks, so the extra stack will be a noticeable boost in damage while i'm attacking with the other weapon

[prisma perch]

I was bummed out when I realized trauma already does full damage to armor

[atomic forum]

yeah it's just for team, but still neat imo

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it's some nice free damage on big targets. It's not a hugely strong blessing, others are good too. Flurry, Focused for instance. I am a degenerate using Run and Gun.

[prisma perch]

Sucks too cause my buddy runs shattering impact on his bolter… but yeah it is a really nice qol for your team

[obtuse moth]

if you use healthbar mod or you get a feel for the average damage you put out

[prisma perch]

It just depends on what they are running in terms of usefulness

[shadow wigeon]

healthbar mod yeah, but it's really just surprise damage, because you won't know you applied it until after the target died - but you werent able to leverage it by switching targets. I just think it's very over rated. More damage sounds good, but.... unless you let the burn ride out, it was damage that didn't matter.

[cyan notch]

more tick damage = faster kill

not like theres a lot of blessings to choose from

[obtuse moth]

you can see how fast something is dying before it dies...

[cyan notch]

theres only 5 and thats including run and gun and terrifying barrage

[obtuse moth]

and stop firing or bring your attention to something else, resource management

[prisma perch]

If they fixed surge it could neat at least.. get random nice burst damage

But yeah they need to add some fun stuff to staffs

They’re bone dry for neat blessings

[obtuse moth]

matters less for psyker than it does for flamer where you don't have ammo though

[cyan notch]

nexus is appropriately rated given your options

ur not giving up slaughterer or something

[tame yarrow]

Blessing and perks for Purgatus staff?

[olive ember]

nexus + flurry for blessings

perks run flak + crit chance/maniac imo

[tame yarrow]

Awesome thanks

[obtuse moth]

saw someone run unyielding, which isnt bad either

[shadow wigeon]

I like flak and unyielding

[olive ember]

I mean

Its better damage against bosses I guess

and bulwarks + reapers

[autumn smelt]

uh

uhm

i finally tried voidstrike in a damnation

and there was a line of enemies

and then i heard the audio equivalent of crack cocaine

[orchid shadow]

Did it sound like a whole roll of bubble wrap was being popped by a steam roller?

[autumn smelt]

yes

it was exhilarating

and then i got the 3rd tier of the precision kill penance just now

[orchid shadow]

So I finally got a decent shredder with Blaze 3 and Pinning 4, so now I can start throwing my mats away on a Deimos sword. Ideally what am I looking for? Slaughter and Uncanny Strike?

[autumn smelt]

i thought it was slaughterer and unstable power

[untold meteor]

melk trolled me by putting this on my psyker instead of my zealot :[

[orchid shadow]

Hmm, maybe? I'm only semi familiar with Iliisi, so I don't know what to look for on Deimos. I just saw this vid on it.
https://youtu.be/G8Ggn55j30A

[untold meteor]

mine

[cyan notch]

u can use slaughterer and whatever else

[untold meteor]

3 shots crushers on HS with 6 warp charges/warp unleashed

wish I had slaughterer

but uncanny is a game changer

[olive ember]

Deflector

imagine using a FS and not being able to block bullets

[drowsy slate]

This with deflector would be a perfect fit for purgatus but tbh it’s fine as it is

[untold meteor]

just did a Hi5 w/o deflector with this and purgatus it was cozy

from the wildfire/ascendant build

granted if I wasn't lucky getting charges I'd have been fucked from the shooter volume

[autumn smelt]

ive been using this sorry excuse for a force sword lmao

[untold meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/comfort-gif-24403874

[autumn smelt]

although i could gamble for a new one....

[untold meteor]

I live paycheck to paycheck

[olive ember]

You guys get paid?

[untold meteor]

dockets are worthless yellow clinky bits of metal

I huff the plasteel as soon as I get it

annnnddddd it's gone

but I guess I ate good

[fallow falcon]

I know that deflector rank isn't that important, but come on Hadron

[shadow wigeon]

She is telling you to believe in yourself.

That you could do it all along

[void relic]

in terms of staves which one would you say is the best for CC? I like the Purgatus and the ground bomb one. It'd be cool if the ground bomb one could set traps

[runic gate]

Slaughter for Illisi is BIS but is T4 vs T4 blessing a big diff? I got one in shop with T3

[runic gate]

rip

[olive ember]

what type of CC

surge staff locks 5 targets down and trivializes special packs

but they suck if theres a horde of enemies since its auto target and 5 target cap

otherwise trauma is generally the best CC staff but you need to know how to actually use it

or else you are literally trolling your teammates

[digital loom]

who cares if you troll your teammates, go crazy

[olive ember]

lmao

[digital loom]

they're not even real teammates when you think about it

if strangers are teammates, then what the hell was stranger danger about?

cant believe i was lied to

[near wyvern]

What's the difference between enemies and team mates? Team mates don't fight back.

[kind jay]

they do

[void relic]

I def like that staves for the fact that your blue balls of doom can't be body blocked by an ogryn

[kind jay]

they use words

[fierce sinew]

fuck words

we use barrels

[kind jay]

yes, exactly, fuck words

[void relic]

I just did that my last match

killed a teammate with a barrel. Knocked him into the shadow realm

[kind jay]

i prefer self barrelling. if I'm dead the run is usually over anyways

[olive ember]

The brauto vet who only blows up poxbursters in teams face disagrees

I mean the core issue is that darktide is like the only game I can think of where they have a boomer archetype that is sorta tanky

So you get bs where they spawn and you can’t instantly blow them up and then it’s just a shitshow of the 10/10 teammates frantically spraying at them

[fierce sinew]

I think other than the jank with inconsistent stagger resistance bursters are really well designed honestly

trivial if you're aware and prioritize things correctly, punishing if not

I like that they're durable enough to encourage a decision to get made about what to do with them. You can blow it up or push it, the main thing you can't do is stand there deciding until it's too late

[olive ember]

I mean I’m not a fan of the whole teammates blow them up on you

It’s less of an issue (still annoying) in other games since the kamikaze specials are so squishy

[fierce sinew]

it sucks when people troll but that's inevitable if you want to reward good coordination by punishing the lack thereof

[void relic]

So I really like the Deimos force sword but what exactly is the difference between that one and that first one we had? The first one seems very weak with low damage and no cleave. At least with the Ilris you can cleave when it's activated

[untold meteor]

the obscurus is garbage by virtue of its moveset

the deimos does everything the obscurus can

but from its high stab damage

and with enough warp charges/warp unleashed/perks/blessings

[hazy tapir]

??????

[untold meteor]

you don't even need to use the weapon special

to do damage

[olive ember]

Works as before just the tool tip bugged out

[hazy tapir]

oo ok

i was like idk wat this means

[forest coral]

no it means ur staff bout to implode

[hazy tapir]

it was only 6 emotes

[hazy tapir]

i just got it nooo

[runic python]

Who hurt you Brunt?

[odd hound]

Just had a level 18 psyker perform twice as good as two lvl 30s with damnation frames in a damnation match. Gj psyker bros keep it up.

[olive ember]

Sounds about right

[odd hound]

I, as the vet, still had him mogged in the score, though

The other two were complaining about his level at the start.

pretty funny

[primal plume]

why cant psykers use their powers to carry power cells and other heavy things? are we stupid?

[untold meteor]

nerd power is reserved for edgy explosions, lightning, mind artillery, and mind fire

[edgy finch]

what blessings for purgatus? (side note what perks?) obviously warp flurry, but after that i cant be sure

[olive ember]

Flurry and nexus

Nexus is more important than flurry

[edgy finch]

see that's what i was wondering looking at it. the crit chance makes a big difference then eh?

what about perks?

[olive ember]

Flak + crit chance/maniac/unyielding

[round jay]

You can deal crit with fire?

[olive ember]

Crit on the purge staff applies two stacks of soulblaze

[round jay]

pog

[fallow falcon]

Speaking of crits, how about a crit laspistol psyker build?

Just need Reassuringly Accurate now

[summer prairie]

on average one full charge is probably applying ~3 additional stacks (10 vs 13) with t4 nexus+crit chance. That's over +50% damage per tick. You aren't getting that much extra damage though as your next charge will hit the cap anyway, but it's better burst damage

I suppose if you know one full charge nearly caps the stacks for everything currently in range, you can switch targets to get more out of it

and non-elites die probably before you even hit 10 stacks

[late yew]

i just saw psyker with revolver

what the actual fuck

[digital loom]

yeah hipsters come out during euro hours

we're rolling into russian hours now

russian primetime is like 6-8 hours from now

[summer prairie]

Now that I think about it I haven't considered what optimal purg spread is like. You definitely want to fan it around vs non-elites, even when holding a corridor

the higher the spread, the higher the benefit you get out of the crits (well, not quite but in principle)

[static agate]

Which perks for Surge staff would be recommended?

I'm rolling 5% crit chance (locked) & 25% daamage against infested enemies right now. With Nexus 2 & Flurry 2.

So it would be the 5% crit chance to be replaced with some other perk

[summer prairie]

definitely flak

[static agate]

Danke

done

[river sand]

infested and unarmored are kinda crappy on surge staff cause it does no dmg against them at all. pimping flak / carapace seems more usefull

[summer prairie]

carapace is crushers only. Even though surge does okay damage vs them, I think unarmored is still better for dreg stalkers. But elite and maybe crit is a better second option after flak

[static agate]

I got 25% flak and 25% infested now. I replaced the 5% crit with 25%flak

Tried it in Psykarium, did good

How many targets are affected surge staff btw? 5?`7?

[river sand]

with noticible dmg only 2

[static agate]

Ah, I meant the stun

[ornate hamlet]

Which one should I get?

[digital loom]

really enjoying this new psyker build

everything dies

[ornate hamlet]

Which weapon should I get first?

[static agate]

Ah, the good old Obscurus force sworsd

[ornate hamlet]

So I get the sword first?

[static agate]

ah

[digital loom]

melk's shop primarily is for getting rare blessings

[static agate]

I replied to Gamer Girl

Pizza pick the force sword (Obscurus, Ilisis, Deimos). They also all share blessing pool :)

[digital loom]

thats the one i would pick because it has a t4

[ornate hamlet]

Still trying to decide which to buy.

[digital loom]

but idk if you're going to use that one later

[static agate]

To clarify:
Ilisis force sword = Great against hordes, slash.
Deimos = Great single point damage, is okay against hordes but needs dodging
Obscurus = A mix between.

[ornate hamlet]

The Staff sounds nice, but the Sword seemed stronger than the one I have.

And I have all 3, at the moment.

[digital loom]

void staff, in my opinion is not very good

[static agate]

I use Ilisis, and my staff against special units

The illisis is simply insane.

Tons of cleave, can stand in a horde and just spam light attacks and they cant touch me.

If I get overrun from all sides I do push-block

[digital loom]

i use deimos mostly

[static agate]

I use brain bursts against heavies.

If you use the lvl 10 perk and lvl 15 perk you can two shoot bullwarks

[ornate hamlet]

I use all 3

[static agate]

Staff I switch depending on mood
Also Autopistol is good for psyker when combining with ulti

[digital loom]

i pretty much always use trauma

but its not for everybody

[ornate hamlet]

Hmmm...

[digital loom]

i have unlocked eldritch power

[ornate hamlet]

Y'know what? I'm gonna get the Voidstrike Staff

[digital loom]

that's fine

but i am against spending melk coins for anything except rare blessings

and maybe curio gacha

[static agate]

Use surge staff and scream "I GOT THE POWAH!" and "LIGHTNING, BITCHES!"

[digital loom]

surge staff actually isnt that bad if you use it properly

[ornate hamlet]

Be discount Palpatine.

[digital loom]

i just prefer explosions

[ornate hamlet]

I want to be a DnD Wizard...

...and cast FIREBALL!

[static agate]

Issue with trauma staff CC is that dosnt stun bullearks or heavies asmuch as I want

Haha pizza

Use Purgatus staff then

[ornate hamlet]

No, no

[static agate]

And scream "BURN, BURN, BUURN"

[ornate hamlet]

Purgatus is about being a FLAMETHROWAH!

[static agate]

Haha true

[ornate hamlet]

But it doesn't really have the same feeling as yeeting a ball of fire (I know it isn't in this case(unless it crits)) at someone's face.

[hexed wedge]

Tried out gun psyker last night. It was pretty good

I was killing more specials and elites than the vet

[static agate]

Aye, have the power on stagger blessing and you can tripple the base damage

With two blessings you can get 150% - 175% more power, and with perks add another 25%

So the 66 dmg/shoot becomes nearly 200dmg/shoot.
And its 55 shoots in a mag.

So about 8-10k dmg per mag you can get. In just a couple of seconds. Insane

[wet belfry]

Pinning fire?

[prisma ermine]

what are you running?

[sour bison]

Why are you running?

[golden tartan]

How are you running?

[static agate]

You mean on Autopistol?

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-running-why-are-you-running-away-pretty-liars1-nollywood-gif-16102856

[static agate]

Yes, Pinning Fire & Blaze Away

Pinning fire: 5-20% power for every enemy you stagger. Stacks 5 times
Blaze Away: 10% power for based on how long you keep shooting. Stacks 5 times.

[wet belfry]

Thats just shredder doing shredder things

Pinning fire should be nerfed.

[shadow quail]

worth it?

Not used trauma much, heard blazing on it is good

[cyan notch]

not really

[shadow quail]

Cool, saved me a few melkbucks

[summer prairie]

if the charge rate was closer to 80, maybe

[static agate]

I would have it