New penance*
#psyker-class
ionic needle
Imagine how annoying it would be to wait for a teammate who constantly waits for elite spawns to pop near the DH
summer prairie
8 stacks from BBIng a bulwark twice is already very good https://streamable.com/w4f1gb
spice veldt
hmm, sniping ranged elites that are near other ranged enemies
fading galleon
how do you guys feel about the soulblaze DoT change on flak armor?
summer prairie
also good for rager groups, especially if you switch back your weapon that has +flak https://streamable.com/kua97j
2 BBs kills all of them, I accidentally stopped the recording though
radiant lance
8 stacks from BBIng a bulwark twice is already very good https://streamable.com/...
That's pretty impressive
The issue is the radius though, usually things aren't this dense
spice veldt
though I suppose that means it will matter where it counts
spice veldt
how do you guys feel about the soulblaze DoT change on flak armor?
it's nice for shooters, though I'm somebody who dislikes soulblaze being effective on the melee elites
summer prairie
two BBs will kill the whole elite gunner group, the gunner patrols usually spawn close enough too
Was trying to test the mutant turning changes but this was a bit awkward https://streamable.com/fzozx6
you can now just step behind any obstacle and be safe. Ok I think this needs some adjusting. If they have to turn at all, they won't get you
radiant lance
@spice veldt @summer prairie Just to illustrate the radius:
https://streamable.com/k4r2vg
fading galleon
Was trying to test the mutant turning changes but this was a bit awkward https:/...
rofl
small egret
So is it worth using wrack and ruin now over other perks for a blaze build?
digital loom
if you dont have any other blaze applicator in your build, its always been decent
but it didn't become useful until wildfire
radiant lance
So is it worth using wrack and ruin now over other perks for a blaze build?
Eh, I'd say no, but I guess try it out.
spice veldt
though usually overshadowed by the other feats or by Purg itself
radiant lance
me looking at people complaining about blaze being bad
Who says blaze is bad?
Anyway I'll try running Wrack & Ruin to see it in action, maybe it's better than I think
summer prairie
small egret
Iβve been a blaze purg simp since day one This is great news to me
summer prairie
they run through those
glad glade
How do I make the best out of this one? Halp
radiant lance
How do I make the best out of this one? Halp
Replace ranged crit with vs Flak, and Transfer Peril to Rending blessing thing
summer prairie
yeah dodge timing is also much more lenient
glad glade
Rending is good now? It's been a long time I played trauma and last time rending was bugged
radiant lance
Technically it applies Brittleness, not Rending
It's just called Rending Shockwave
spice veldt
yeah it was bugged to reduce damage if your attack dealt >100% to a particular armour type, but that was fixed
there's another current bug where an enemy takes less stagger if they/you have less than 50% brittleness/rending (though they take more stagger if you have more than 50%)
spice veldt
simply have 100 monitors and have psyker's chat constantly open on one of them in case somebody remarks on a bug
glad glade
Talking about bugs - is it just me or do you have too still the problem that sometimes nobody will join your game lobby and you have to play with bots for 15 min
orchid nest
spice veldt
yeah, matchmaking can be a bit fucky wucky at times
glad glade
my third lobby π
spice veldt
I've had games that were either solos, duos, or trios, with the remaining person(s) never ever joining
ionic needle
them blocked attacks on shield ogryn, haha
ionic needle
what on earth
lol, they lost the key
lethal folio
Wrack is now stronger than before the flak armour nerf.
cyan notch
hard to compete with warp unleashed but its a pretty nice option
lethal folio
The jump from 3 to 4 is huge for horde packs.
Blaze still can't get the elite kills without a lot of effort.
river sand
quick question, mods still working fine or do we need any updates ?
spice veldt
minor patches like this are usually fine for mods besides needing to run the .bat file
I guess the Voting Bloc mod is no longer really needed
clear heath
I have like 30+ mods and they all seem to be working fine
spice veldt
hmm mutants can be dodged with slides
unless you could always do that
you can dodge super early with dodge-slides against them
clear heath
Never tried just sliding through them
lethal folio
spice veldt
damn you kinda just bounce off of them a little bit
lethal folio
Only works on that side
spice veldt
works on the left side for me
lethal folio
I see now, just need to do it earlier.
clear heath
Is this new or was it always a thing?
spice veldt
lemayo you can dodge them with BB while casting and at the soft cap of your dodges
i don't think it was always a thing
not sure tho
lethal folio
leaden thunder
"RAAAGH" causally slides under the arm
lethal folio
also works on dogs
ornate hamlet
real
spice veldt
huh, dodge-sliding backwards against dogs seems to reliably prevent them from pouncing on you, at least in the meat grinder
summer prairie
orchid nest
I wonder how that translates to a real mission with reasonable ping. you just dodge or slide at all now in any direction and you're good?
spice veldt
it seems that as long as you're dodging perpendicularly or forward into dodges, they can't pounce onto you
the only danger is from dodging backwards
though dodge-sliding backwards will protect you
I guess this is their implementation for making dodging them more reliable
orchid nest
well that's alright I guess. just makes damnation even easier but if they do away with all the jank maybe they will then add another difficulty level.
spice veldt
either this is a design shift to make disablers less threatening or no testing at all
orchid nest
yeah lol
summer prairie
https://streamable.com/w68vae even with no effective dodges, goofy
spice veldt
hmm running directly away from dogs also prevents pounces nvm it doesn't work
orchid nest
So it's just like nearly impossible to be disabled with a deimos now I guess then. only if you're completely pinned by a horde.
quasi pier
I was backed up to a wall next to a door and dodge/blocked one and it hit the wall and died
spice veldt
dodge-slides are also safe in all directions, even late into your slide
summer prairie
any dodge state basically
spice veldt
with the exception of dodging backwards
summer prairie
unfortunately dodging into a wall ends the dodge
rotund matrix
Honestly surprised we didn't get slapped with a nerf this patch, I feel straight up unstoppable whilst using the new swords still
cyan notch
nice
now we can clutch damnation+ more reliably now
40k dockets per mission will be mine
summer prairie
crit chance
fallow falcon
Then slap warp nexus on I take it
fallow falcon
Not sure flurry matters too much on the purgatus
Compared with other staves anyways
rare furnace
cyan notch
dudeeeeee
ionic needle
Flurry is really good on purg, but yeah I guess focused channeling works well too
cyan notch
This Purgatus looks promising as is
i really want this
fallow falcon
Ok now it has warp flurry
ionic needle
Hahaha
cyan notch
im a focused channeling nexus guy
ionic needle
Slap nexus on it and just melt shit
cyan notch
get that 5% crit
ionic needle
Yeah 5% crit too of course
fallow falcon
I'll get that 5% crit when they update mods
Not mashing that button for 10 minutes
cyan notch
wdym u dont have the reroller?
fallow falcon
That's it?
ionic needle
Yes
ionic needle
Hahaha
I was using the mod to reroll to maniac once and then during the rolling I realized I wanted flak so I interrupted it, and it just happened to be on flak as I interrupted it
ionic needle
111212
fallow falcon
I imagine wildfire is an option, but warp battery sounds better for damage overall
Kinetic shield over deflection?
ionic needle
I like shield better
fallow falcon
Even with a deflector sword?
ionic needle
With FS I mostly dodge or slide anyway
Shield is nice for when you need to BB gunners and stuff
Or get caught up in the middle of a bunch of them
Also with Warp unleashed you want to run around with high peril anyway
spice veldt
and if nothing else, it's akin to a +15% toughness curio at 0% peril if you've got about 150 toughness (2 toughness curios and from perks)
fallow falcon
Is flak the ideal perk for a purgatus?
Or would unyielding or something theoretically be better
Granted its definitely bis for assassinate
summer prairie
flak/crit seem the best, flak/unarmored is a decent alternative
fallow falcon
So barring the t3 blessing, this staff is essentially perfect
Obviously after I replaced focused channeling
Don't have any purgatus blessings apparently
summer prairie
pretty much
fallow falcon
Neat
Now if I could get this RNG on vet, that would be cool
lmao your passive can proc off of fire kills while you're exploding
About to die? Just get lucky
ionic needle
On procs, I absolutely love it when flayer procs off of BB
Once in a while you just oneshot a bulwark
weary wasp
Kekw.
Purgatus builds are now even more busted than pre-nerf
spice veldt
though pre-nerf flak was 200% damage instead of 150%
weary wasp
though pre-nerf flak was 200% damage instead of 150%
maybe, but 4 stacks of soulblaze from BB is enough to kill most shooters
tho it takes some time
spice veldt
oh you mean soulblaze builds
weary wasp
Purgatus SB stacks on top of all those so I don't see a reason to not use purgatus staff when focusing on dot
spice veldt
true, though most things are pretty dead if you're applying soulblaze stacks past the purg's limit with wrack & ruin
pearl quest
so, what's the best plasma gun set-up after the patch?
shadow wigeon
Obviously after I replaced focused channeling
Focused channeling isnβt that bad, but depending on how aggressive you play it may not be relevant. I think it pairs well with flurry if you want to really get up in peoples faces.
weary wasp
I dont feel like plasma gun had any substantial changes. The rotation is pretty much same still - shoot a few times and reload before it overheats. Well, maybe you can get one shot extra now at a cost of toughness
long wharf
Are the new penances out now?
leaden thunder
that's in may
long wharf
Aww
weary wasp
"biggest patch yet" is a bold claim
livid night
is the stagger range on psyker "push" just really small?
ornate hamlet
It's massive tbh
livid night
I keep getting silly melee minions that just ignore it and instagib me anyway
ornate hamlet
Even pierces walls
cyan notch
is the stagger range on psyker "push" just really small?
30m
ornate hamlet
I heard sometimes using it while getting damaged puts it on cooldown without actually doing anything
spice veldt
there are times where the ult's stagger doesn't apply
livid night
it's not the ult
ornate hamlet
livid night
just the pushback on sword
spice veldt
force sword push-attack?
livid night
yeh
ornate hamlet
Plenty of swords
spice veldt
it's single-target
livid night
??
weary wasp
is the stagger range on psyker "push" just really small?
more stagger with more warp charges. Also depends on how close things are. Ones near you will get put on their ass while ones on the edge will get a light shove
livid night
single target,
cyan notch
yes the range is really short on the push attack
ornate hamlet
I don't think it's single-target
spice veldt
it's a strong stagger that can throw crushers to the ground
cyan notch
it is single target
spice veldt
you shouldn't really be push-attacking except to get some elites out of the way
ornate hamlet
Oh wait, like really the push attack
Now that I think of it, I rarely use it anymore
ornate hamlet
Pushing?
spice veldt
abuse infinite dodges
ornate hamlet
Same cycle as any other weapon: dodge, push and attack in any order
weary wasp
Oh you meant power sword/lazpistol push
livid night
damnation with a bunch of vets, so I'm tanking hordes as psyker
cyan notch
livid night
so its slash dodge push 3 hits get through gg
spice veldt
dodging accomplishes two things--put you in a dodge state and breaking an enemy's melee tracking
Some melee attacks ignore the dodge state (such as running attacks), so it's generally reliable to just spam sideways dodges to basically avoid most melee attacks
ornate hamlet
Funnily enough, you're one of the most capable classes to do so
ornate hamlet
Just do what you do on the other classes
spice veldt
I find myself not taking that much damage when fighting hordes with force swords
esp the illisi
livid night
Just do what you do on the other classes
I do, that's whats getting me killed π
spice veldt
just get into the rhythm of pressing your dodge at the correct time
ornate hamlet
Pyskers and force swords have no difference in melee playstyle compared to other weapons, except for the upside of infinite dodges
Some weapons make you push more, sure, but it's still the same loop
spice veldt
and maybe shorter dodges that are a bit sucky against melee attacks that ignore your dodge state
but it's usually pretty fine
cyan notch
force sword also doesnt have a damaging push attack and that kinda sucks sometimes
ornate hamlet
It really is just a mind thing to me, because psyker is the de facto clutch god in my eyes
spice veldt
though the normal attacks come out fast enough to offset the lack of an offensive push-attack
livid night
watching this it feels like I'm playing a different game
ornate hamlet
chuizi
cyan notch
i mean i rarely use it too this just happened to be once in a blue moon when 7 of em were pounding my teammates
ionic needle
When I'm using illisi to fight hordes I almost exclusively roll with heavies to get into the rhythm of heavy -> side dodge -> heavy -> side dodge
It works really well and I very rarely get hit during a horde
ornate hamlet
Illisi has two funny states: special heavy, heavy light
Only spam lights if you hate your finger and hitting heads 
ionic needle
yeah it's actually usually special heavy -> dodge -> heavy -> dodge -> special heavy -> dodge...
Need to keep that peril high!
Special heavy into a big horde makes me feel like Sauron
livid night
that looks like ogryn bull butcher to me π
ionic needle
Hahaha yeah it's kind of the same feel, except with bull butcher you usually just spam lights
leaden thunder
https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lordof-the-rings-smash-hit-swing-gif-4849903
wish the crusher felt like that
livid night
idd, I can't get used to using heavies in horde fights. Feels to slow
ornate hamlet
Do a little backwards dodge
ionic needle
It's about rhythm
ornate hamlet
Create your own breathing room to use a heavy and the rest does itself
livid night
Or I just get an antax on my psyker instead !
ornate hamlet
The Illisi is good enough on stagger that you don't need to fight hordes like you were hitting them with a wet noodle that deals 500 damage per bodyshot
spice veldt
dodging sideways in one direction repeatedly is usually the best way to avoid damage when fighting a horde and allows you to safely get heavies off
ornate hamlet
Sometimes the best way to avoid taking damage from enemies really is just hitting them back before they do it
ionic needle
Yeah, just circle around them and create a little ball of mobs missing you and smash heavies into it
ionic needle
It can be dangerous if you fight in an open space and zombies come crawling up your ass, but that's what being aware of your positioning is for
spice veldt
cloud sequoia
ionic needle
The tooltip is lying
It's actually psykinetics wrath and FS push block
Works really well on the level with the big hacking event in the end with two bridges leading into it
livid night
https://streamable.com/wih8xp
That looks incredibly unsatisfying to me, dunno so freaking slow
ionic needle
One of these days I might actually remember the names of the maps
cloud sequoia
Works really well on the level with the big hacking event in the end with two br...
yea
prisma perch
Finally encountered my first toxic player
spice veldt
it's slow, but one should keep in mind that the heavy-special has a far better cleave distribution than light-specials
and specials having 10.5 base cleave
with max t4 slaughterer stacks, that's 18.4 cleave, which translates to 19 poxwalkers hit
dawn crypt
whats more important for force swords, uncanny strike or slaughterer?
leaden thunder
sluaght
spice veldt
absolutely slaughterer
leaden thunder
on everything
spice veldt
+power% is damage, cleave, and stagger
ionic needle
Anything that fits slaughterer should run slaughterer
spice veldt
+60% power is +60% damage, +60% cleave, and +60% stagger
dawn crypt
i thought uncanny strike 100% armor pen is really overpowered no?
livid night
+60% power is +60% damage, +60% cleave, and +60% stagger
please PR some tooltips to the game ;D
spice veldt
at 40% peril, I deal 200+ bodyshot damage against poxwalkers and groaners with the minimum cleave damage
that means I can one-shot 28 full hp groaners in a single heavy-special swing
leaden thunder
i thought uncanny strike 100% armor pen is really overpowered no?
no
rendign only boosts your damage if you deal under 100% damage to smething
ionic needle
Apparantely it's really good on deimos special into weak spots
spice veldt
only really on carapace though
ionic needle
Yeah
leaden thunder
and force swords deal a mostly full damage to everything but carapace
ionic needle
Kind of niche
fresh steeple
<:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
Got a much better spot. Right at the beginning of Chasm Logistratum (the one with five canisters at the end), there's a large open bridge area, and in the second section of that bridge is a very narrow secondary bridge. Ask your team to wait for a horde at that spot, then have everyone funnel into the spot. The horde will travel across it, and then you run back and over to the main bridge and use your PS; it will knock off, like, 40 at once.
river sand
uncanny is a effective niche product on deimos where you get full stacks by special a crusher in the head. for me its not worth it
ionic needle
Yeah that works really well too, but the one I mentioned can be done without relying on teammats
cyan notch
hab dreyko works too its the exact same bridge at the start
ionic needle
I actually got it by accident there by just pulling PW and a bunch of FS push blocks on one of the bridges
Still missing the explosion and boss penances though, kind of sad
river sand
cliffhanger can easily be done nearly everywhere now. back in the day where you had to push 20 enemies down its was quite an acomplishment
livid night
for explosion just go into high int damn, rush ahead, to the first room, if there's gunners keep rushing while activiting PW special
explode
get achiev
leave
ionic needle
explosions oneshot gunners on damnation?
river sand
no
livid night
gunners and shotgunners
river sand
you need to soften them up a bit
ionic needle
I know about the comms plex spot, but I just cba to go run it on malice
river sand
surge staff is pretty good for going out with a bang
ionic needle
Yeah I can imagine
sick light
Ladies and gentlemen, the deed is done. Got both Pick n Mix and Malleus Monstronum in a single mission with the help of some doods. Now its waiting for the next set of bullshit penances that makes you a hindrance to the rest of the team instead of rewarding you for good gameplay and cooperation
ionic needle
Yeah this is why I haven't completed them yet, I don't want to be a burden to randoms just enjoying their game
river sand
im so happy, i did all the psyker penances back in the preorder beta where you instantly found a penance group
ornate hamlet
Okay, but hear me out on this one
ionic needle
So I run gun psyker and steal all their kills instead
livid night
"Normaller, complete a high intensity damnation game without generating any warp"
sick light
Yeah this is why I haven't completed them yet, I don't want to be a burden to ra...
Just ask for help in this discord, folks here usually are willing to help out
ember sentinel
"Blow yourself up enough times to use all your wounds and die, then get revived and still complete the mission in less than 10 minutes"
ornate hamlet
What if you're not actually a hindrance to people because you did it with a group that was okay with it and that kind of was the whole point of the thing?
ionic needle
Just ask for help in this discord, folks here usually are willing to help out
Good idea! Might actually do that
spice veldt
on damnation, if you're standing point blank to an enemy with 4 warp charges and warp unleashed, you'll do 905 damage
cyan notch
just in time
spice veldt
though you're most likely going to be some distance away from them
livid night
you can get nice and close with shotgunners
ionic needle
just in time
mk 2?? disgusting
livid night
aslong as you are the first one there
ornate hamlet
I mean, of course you're going to be a hindrance to a random person joining in for a normal game if you suddenly go "I need you to kite this monster and make it take four times longer", but that's why you just get a group
The more I did penances, the more I found them to be actually enjoyable ways to shake the game a bit and do things with people with a bit of coordination
sick light
Yeah thats what I did, my point is that the penances don't have to be some of the most obnoxious things that force you to play like a clown on purpose
ornate hamlet
Because I'll be damned if pick n' mix and the boss one don't require teamplay and coordination
dawn crypt
Executor is way worse than Slaughterer by a lot right?
ornate hamlet
By virtue of needing chained attacks, yes
spice veldt
in pretty much most situations yes
ionic needle
I did pick and mix solo on comms plex by just running to where the spawn is and popping them all before the team got there
ornate hamlet
Now if they made chained attacks count pushes...
dawn crypt
I just figured executor is only 5x5 while slaughterer is 15x 5
which is way more power
ionic needle
15 is a higher number than 5, this is correct
ornate hamlet
Slaughterer also needs a kill, so you're at nothing when trying to duel elites
dawn crypt
so ur saying its not that bad and more situational?
ornate hamlet
No, it's shit, just not because of the power
cyan notch
mk 2?? disgusting
its good now
ornate hamlet
Chained attacks inherently exclude pushing, so you actually can't use it as a more versatile slaughter during hordes and other events with multiple enemies that you need to control
Executor and other chained dumbness requires you to only attack
Sure, at least for shred hitting multiple enemies gives multiple stacks, but when you are using a shred eviscerator and open space with a push to do a heavy, you're doing your heavy with 5% crit chance instead of 30% because you reset shred
It's just poorly-designed
The bonuses are okay, the way they work sucks
cyan notch
decimator with bm is not bad
ornate hamlet
Yeah, but I'd argue because it's much less reliant on needing the horde loop when you can just light spam and control a crowd with sheer damage output
It's just so good you stop doing the game's mechanics 
cyan notch
yea if ur combo starts with push that you need to spam then its bad
ionic needle
Oh, hunting ground game is up, let's try the new dogs
strange nova
leaden thunder
use kinetic barrage as your level 30 talents and probably play hi int
woeful bluff
ember sentinel
Yeah id swap carapace to flak
prisma perch
If they changed surge on trauma to work on second attack Iβm wondering if surge + flurry would be good combo
dawn crypt
wtf?
prisma perch
Instead of the obvious nexus one⦠more attacks and faster could mean more crits too
leaden thunder
dw about it, the description of nexus is just bugged
ionic needle
If they programmed this game even halfway decent the missing description shouldn't change the behavior of the blessing at all
summer prairie
380 in a shop, haven't seen those in a while. I think you couldn't get those for a while, though might have just been some rounding issue
fervent shore
i thought uncanny strike 100% armor pen is really overpowered no?
Looks like there is some confusion on how Uncanny Strike works, it is really strong on both Illisi and Deimos. Works against Carapace, flak and maniac targets
spice veldt
sweeping lights dealing 75% to flak, 1% to carapace, and 50% to maniac
thrust lights dealing 75% to infested, 25% to carapace, and 50% to maniac
heavies dealing 65% to carapace
supple skiff
look at us siblings, we have our own burn now
silk ridge
Is warp flurry decent on surge staff? Thinking of snagging this and upgrading it or at least for the blessing.
silk ridge
Surge?
supple skiff
yeah
leaden thunder
not the surge blessing
ironically the surge staff can't roll the surge blessing'
warp nexus + warp flurry are bis for the surge
spice veldt
i'll be sitting here representing the focused channeling gang
shrewd nest
It's a little bugged, but still it's best probably (Clay on youtube called it bugged, after people here calling that wrong I called him out and we tested it further, it IS bugged, but it isn't bad, sometimes you get 0 damage on half charge shots I believe, but full charges were just fine when the blessing starts working)
That and nexus for more crit are kinda the only 2 perks in the running
spice veldt
well damn
shrewd nest
It doesn't bug out and do that often enough to not take the blessing though, it's not a big thing, but is notably there
shrewd nest
We tested that a few days ago and today's patch didn't fix it
summer prairie
link?
shrewd nest
Clay also mentioned that, yes, they did fix it...but they they broke it again somehow, and ,yes, it is still broken, but it's less broken than before
Wasn't recorded, only thing I could link is them saying it's bugged, which isn't very useful
It's also hard since it's only really testable through playing a proper game with it and paying attention to the scoreboard n such
shrewd nest
Grinder works differently for some reason, I don't think it's bugged in the grinder
summer prairie
if you are just looking at damage values on the scoreboard, that's not a good reason to believe you aren't doing damage
shrewd nest
I was playing with him while they were testing it, it was only, I believe, when they had warp flurry stacks and half charged it it would sometimes bug it out and not do damage
Without stacks and with full charges with stacks there were not problems
cyan notch
wdym not do damage
near wyvern
Why the fuck did they increase Wrack and Ruin by one stack WHEN IT STILL HAS RACE CONDITION. Just let it be 2 or 3 stacks but proc ON ANY HIT.
shrewd nest
I mean it would do 0 damage
cyan notch
like the explosion happened but no damage done?
shrewd nest
It'd shock but do 0 damage I believe was the case
cyan notch
oh surge staff
shrewd nest
yeah, surge
near wyvern
Like why would you pick Wrack and Ruin so you can apply some minor AOE around a bulwark with 3 BB casts when you can just pick Warp Unleashed and be done with the problem in 2 casts.
shrewd nest
Yeah, Wrack is wack
summer prairie
8 stacks in 2 casts not really minor, it's good if there's density but still situational
8 stacks kills ragers/flak shooter elites
shrewd nest
Wish they'd let it be on any BB hit, give a reason for BBing trash since you'll already do it sometimes for stacks, and sometimes you go for a far elite and it aims at the trash near it anyhow
fresh reef
What breakpoints does SB hit now?
shrewd nest
SB?
summer prairie
soulblaze generally?
shrewd nest
ah,
fresh reef
soulblaze generally?
Aye. They only buffed it to 150% instead of the previous 200%, and my goofy ass campus wifi refuses to let me log in to test myself lol
shrewd nest
Yeah, kept half the nerf
summer prairie
well purg doesn't have breakpoints. I guess you have breakpoints for AB/wrack
shrewd nest
8 still don't kill ragers without external buffs at least
summer prairie
you'd switch to your weapon with +flak after you are done BBing
shrewd nest
That's why I said without external, b ut yeah, easy to get external
summer prairie
I think it's 104dmg per tick with +25% and 6 stacks and you get 11 full damage ticks
cyan notch
What breakpoints does SB hit now?
6 stacks kills all shooters without power buffs again
chrome arch
fresh reef
6 stacks kills all shooters without power buffs again
Fuck yeah
chrome arch
IV varp nexus desc is messed up, but the blessing works, right?
cos I wanted to pick it up for Nomanus π
primal fjord
I don't know why they keep on mini-buffing Wrack and Ruin. The other two talents on the tree are just too good, to warrant using it..
ornate hamlet
Not taking W&R because it's underpowered:
Not taking W&R because I like seeing the enemies:
stone pulsar
oh wow. one more soulblaze stack. what a buff.
stone pulsar
ah darn it. i need to turn off my mods again.
twilit flicker
Not taking wrack so the horde will get close and we can watch the vet panic jump:
subtle linden
Single digit dmg is still single digit dmg
stone pulsar
if it worked on any BB kill, and had a larger radius, it might be viable
cyan notch
its double digit damage
cyan notch
it still lets you 1 shot all specials besides dogs and mutants
though u gotta wait for a few ticks of dot with flamers and bursters
ragers die from dot too
technically 1 shot
primal fjord
Doesn't Warp Unleashed effect Soul Blaze damage or DoT?
cyan notch
it does yes
olive ember
Why the fuck did they increase Wrack and Ruin by one stack WHEN IT STILL HAS RAC...
balancing
olive ember
8 stacks in 2 casts not really minor, it's good if there's density but still sit...
jokes on you, unless something changed, Wrack and Ruin had a built in cap of 6 stacks iirc
cyan notch
it never did lol
summer prairie
31 cap
cyan notch
The Guy Who Just Says Words
long wharf
W&R needs to proc on all BBs, not just on elites
karmic delta
I kinda want to punch the Loner in the face tbh.
ember sentinel
is it worth using over warp unleashed though even if your going full soulblaze build?
sick light
I kinda want to punch the Loner in the face tbh.
Go Savant or go home
karmic delta
My Beloved says NO
shadow wigeon
Is warp flurry decent on surge staff? Thinking of snagging this and upgrading it...
It is the strongest blessing for Surge, do grab.
cyan notch
is it worth using over warp unleashed though even if your going full soulblaze b...
sure if you like more fire it kinda does warp unleashed bb breakpoints too
ember sentinel
Hm ok
shadow wigeon
While memeing, I unironically loved Channeling + Flurry.
near wyvern
Pls siblings comment for visibility (make Wrack and Ruin 3 stack but on any hit)
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/wrack-and-ruin-is-bad-design/78618
ember sentinel
Might try a full soulblaze build then with purge or something
shadow wigeon
This might be my favourite purg blessings - you can be so reckless with where you start blasting, and get up to flurry 5 very quickly.
cyan notch
Pls siblings comment for visibility (make Wrack and Ruin 3 stack but on any hit)...
i like female wrack better
near wyvern
Fuck it's hard to type with auto assume on mobile
near wyvern
is it worth using over warp unleashed though even if your going full soulblaze b...
Not really since if you go full Soulblaze you go AB, which means you can't go KB which means you have it hard time to get WAR off
If you can't get WAR to proc then you might as well go WU to increase ALL damage you do
ember sentinel
Ah so its still significantly worse than non soul blaze build lol
I figured they might need to significantly buff SB
summer prairie
the problem is you are comparing it to a feat that is too strong
ember sentinel
To make it better than the other stuff
near wyvern
the problem is you are comparing it to a feat that is too strong
Is the feat too strong or others too weak?
summer prairie
well if all feats were that strong we would be doing +150% dmg with everything
near wyvern
It could be toned down to +5% with additional +2% per stack at 20/40/60/80 tho.
WU
Would make it easier to juggle break points
long wharf
Pls siblings comment for visibility (make Wrack and Ruin 3 stack but on any hit)...
I gotchu fam
summer prairie
8 stacks of SB with buffs is 100+dmg per tick AoE damage. 11 full damage ticks. That's a lot of additional damage per BB from one feat, only limited by the game generally not having sufficient density and your team killing your targets.
meanwhile we have lacerations that gives you +25% damage for 5 seconds when you BB. I think that's weaker even if had unlimited duration
if wildfire was a bit better at sustaining the stacks, it would be quite compelling with wrack
summer prairie
well you BB twice
lethal folio
soulblaze cap is 31
summer prairie
wrack has the general sb limit
olive ember
but some abilities have built in caps
summer prairie
so 31
cyan notch
wasn't there a built in limit of 6
no u made that up in a dream
olive ember
maybe I'm a seer
lethal folio
I don't believe poeple who say wrack is bad have actually played it.
cyan notch
or just a noob
olive ember
but sure
leaden thunder
fire caster build back?
spice veldt
blazing spirit on the staffs is the one with the 6 stack limit right?
lethal folio
Have you played with it?
cyan notch
i think its fine but warp unleashed is better
near wyvern
I don't believe poeple who say wrack is bad have actually played it.
It's not bad when it procs. The badness comes from the fact that you have to race with veterans for getting the proc off. In a team with Zealots and Ogryns it works well.
cyan notch
its definitely nice if u main bb and use like some random gun or something
long wharf
W&R being on-hit would make me play with it, especially now that we have Warpfire
olive ember
Also what does the 3 -> 4 stack even change
lethal folio
Vets aren't instakilling all the ogryns.
summer prairie
3-4 is over a 50% dmg jump
olive ember
you aren't killing anything important at 4 stacks, and everything pmuch dies to 6 stacks, so 8 stack is like
cyan notch
you aren't killing anything important at 4 stacks, and everything pmuch dies to ...
not elites
olive ember
well dmg is cool, but breakpoints are better
summer prairie
8 kills elites, 6 does not
lethal folio
8 stacks kills elites, 6 wont.
olive ember
I guess so
if you wait for them to burn down
which is
2 BB's + the elites have to be hugging each other + you have to wait for them to burn
eh
added use case
I guess
lethal folio
The range is pretty big.
I've said it before, the most dangerous packs are ogryns+friends, wrack solves them.
cyan notch
i dont find them particularly dangerous but its pretty nice
(he wont he will play surge and blow up)
lethal folio
Hit a scab gunner once, and all his shooter friends are going to die.
long wharf
The range is pretty big.
The problem with that is none of those enemies staggered from soulblaze, and in-mission, they're all still attacking you
Which means the team still needs to address them as if they weren't going to die in 15 seconds
near wyvern
I've said it before, the most dangerous packs are ogryns+friends, wrack solves t...
Or just use Warp Unleashed to solve it with 1 BB less per ogryn
copper torrent
No psyker nerfs. I'm shook.
near wyvern
Forgotten Dodo knows what the better game is
lethal folio
Warp unleashed is letting you oneshot ogryns?
near wyvern
No but you reach 2 shot tresholds a lot easier
lethal folio
and as before, ogryns aren't the threat.
long wharf
I mean, they can be, and soulblaze doesn't do jack against crushers (not that that takes away from soulblaze usefulness overall)
It means W&R is relegated to a very niche team comp
It doesn't make up for the damage you aren't doing via WU
Soulblaze isn't killing fast enough on its own at 4 stacks
magic burrow
flailing around the ilisi was fun for a while, but I recently switched to the deimos and I must say that I'm loving that one a lot too
possibly even moreso
long wharf
I much prefer the Illisi
ember sentinel
i jump between the 2 as well although i do prefer illsi
summer prairie
if there are two bulwarks, you can kill them both with if you wrack bb one each and have some warp stacks. Sure, takes a while
spice veldt
i love me illisi
long wharf
TTK is very important
spice veldt
faster, more mobile power sword
long wharf
"Sure it takes a while" = not worth using
summer prairie
you can tell who here plays the game
long wharf
It means you aren't reducing the load on the team
summer prairie
and who only reads patch notes
I don't think anyone is suggesting getting WR for the specific scenario
lethal folio
Warp unleashed isn't going to make you kill a pack of shooters in ten seconds.
cyan notch
illisi gets a little boring theres not much going on
gilded viper
Wait u don't run WR just for the lols?
long wharf
W&Rs biggest problem is the requirement of hitting an elite
If you take that away, it becomes much easier to use reliably
lethal folio
If there isn't an elite, there isn't a problem.
gilded viper
True but ngl I don't see myself bbing alot of small flies I rather just melee them
cyan notch
i think itll be a little too strong
long wharf
I could see taking W&R with AB on a surge build
If it proc'd on any BB hit
W&R, kinetic flayer, AB
gilded viper
My gun psyker build
ember sentinel
W&R, kinetic flayer, AB
this is what i was thinking too
probably not better than WU and whatnot but probably fine
might make me enjoy surge more
long wharf
Does W&R have a cooldown
summer prairie
no
ember sentinel
P sure its just KF
long wharf
My dream is to apply soulblaze with the surge stafg
ember sentinel
it might still be fine to run WR/KF/AB with surge even though it doesnt proc on any BB
i might be overestimating it though
ember sentinel
oh i didnt think about that
summer prairie
it doesn't at all, except it only procs if your attack doesn't kill
cyan notch
i dont think it targets shit
cyan notch
just literally anything u hit
long wharf
Very sad
ember sentinel
maybe if you get the soulblaze stacks intead of KF?
or just WB for the damage
it doesnt proc on crits right
long wharf
WB?
ember sentinel
warp battery
long wharf
Oh, right
olive ember
Oh yeah btw what are the new breakpoints with 150% flak dmg modifier
ember sentinel
ok it doesnt proc on crit makes sense
long wharf
Well, on the higher difficulties, where you know you're going to be using BB on elites, using KF means sometimes getting that double W&R proc
ember sentinel
maybe you could do like blazing spirit/Warp flurry on the staff with WR
idk how good blazing spirit is though i never used it
i heard it wasnt great
esp post nerf
long wharf
Blazing spirit isn't on any weapon that could truly use it well
hollow current
haha if only it was deimos or illi. still bought it
ember sentinel
wasnt sure if it with both WR and whatever else you wanna use
long wharf
Surge and Purge staves need Blazing Spirit
ember sentinel
oh wait is blazing spirit not on Surge
long wharf
Nope
ember sentinel
oh lol
i thought it was on all the staffs
and i just hadnt gotten it
on all of them yet
cyan notch
Oh yeah btw what are the new breakpoints with 150% flak dmg modifier
6 stacks kills shooters with no buffs again
ember sentinel
not that i was looking for it nor do i upgrade a ton of staffs
ember sentinel
haha if only it was deimos or illi. still bought it
lol
thats nice though ill admit
near wyvern
Blazing spirit isn't on any weapon that could truly use it well
That ain't true. Trauma can use it well.
But you absolutely need Warp Nexus 4
ember sentinel
Trauma WR build with blazing spirit π€
near wyvern
You want WU and be staving since it does AOE CC as well
near wyvern
Yup, and when you crit you get a 'WAR proc' of old but just double the radius
ember sentinel
hm
maybe one day the soulblaze stuff wont be outclassed
not that im saying its bad just worse than other options
ember sentinel
why not use purge lol
olive ember
Itβs third preferred staff
But I run surge or autopistol normally kek
Purge is for assassination missions
cyan notch
he is an Obscurus Apologist, Surge Horde Spamming Noob, Spreader of Misinformation and Sayer of Random Wrong Stuff
gilded viper
People using obscurus?
vital compass
hey guys sorry if this was already a topic but there is a lot of msgs post patch 8. Any purg builds and or perks/blessings changes we're thinking about with the blaze change?
gilded viper
I donβt think builds are gonna change much tbh
leaden thunder
I mean you can use wrack for some fun
it's ok
but warp unleashes is still better
vital compass
wildfire > warp battery now?
gilded viper
No
olive ember
he is an Obscurus Apologist, Surge Horde Spamming Noob, Spreader of Misinformat...
This man adds a title every time I say a bad take smh
golden elbow
lol the blessing on the purg staff says "unlocalized"loc_trait_bespoke_increased_crit_chance_scaled_on_peril_desc":string not found>
vital compass
yea ok i thought wildfire was already pretty close
and this would take it over
but guess i can just try it and se
gilded viper
Purge builds are still best running Battery or flense
ember sentinel
yeah a few had there descriptions broke n
cyan notch
This man adds a title every time I say a bad take smh
Obscurus Apologist, Surge Horde Spamming Noob, Spreader of Misinformation, Sayer of Random Wrong Stuff and Proud Giver of Bad Takes
spice veldt
Econ Student
olive ember
CS and Econ
spice veldt
I'm not one to insult myself, so Econ Student shall do
spice veldt
I can barely handle 3 already
ember sentinel
5 classes + working was bottom 1 experiences
olive ember
I mean Iβm thinking of cramming 6
olive ember
Iβm prob gonna need to take a class over summer if I wanna graduate
ugh
Internship and then a class from 6-10 this is gonna go great
I can already see it
supple skiff
hadrons got my back today
ember sentinel
surely you wont get another bad perk to go with that sprint efficiency
olive ember
That sprint efficiency says otherwise
supple skiff
ok so the perks arent great lol
late yew
What is opinion on slight soulblaze buff?
radiant lance
Ok now it has warp flurry
Some people
supple skiff
got ranged damage elites t3 and surge for a final blessing
ember sentinel
rip
welp you can take warp flurry off it or replace surge with shockwave if you have it
supple skiff
yeah ill stick shockwave on there
was hoping to get carapace and unarmored for perks but thats fine
ember sentinel
thatll be pretty good if they ever make it work tho
supple skiff
which is really too bad
olive ember
Eh
runic nest
I think that might be a bit too good, if it can trigger two full blasts.
I'd rather make either Surge just plain better (like fixed "every 5/4/3 shots, doubleshoot") or make the primary better and leave surge.
Because the primary is rather underused and a little underrated, imo.
long wharf
Surge wouldn't be bad if it was an additional crit hit
runic nest
It suppresses really well, and doesn't cost a lot of peril.
long wharf
and if the staves with it had better than base crit chance
runic nest
Surge wouldn't be bad if it was an additional crit hit
It would help, but not enough imo.
long wharf
I agree, Surge needs to be more than a second crit
either buff the crit damage multiplier for the staff, or buff the crit damage multiplier for Surge specifically
Surge needs to turn the attack into an absolute blast
a noticeable boom
runic nest
Yeah, that could work. Or if the primary fire is made to be solid by itself, then the extra shot already becomes good
cyan notch
I'd rather make either Surge just plain better (like fixed "every 5/4/3 shots, d...
yea if rhey made it more deterministic itll be great
they had stuff like that in vt2 where u dont get random crits anymore but every 5th hit was a crit
olive ember
Where are my surge staff buffs wtf
late yew
Do mods work?
leaden thunder
just need to reenable them ye
late yew
unplayable without numeric ui
long wharf
lame
cyan notch
Where are my surge staff buffs wtf
just for you and only you youll get the βimpactful vfxβ buff again
late yew
Counter argument: your mom
olive ember
just for you and only you youll get the βimpactful vfxβ buff again
.> smh give me my 15 target cap thx
runic nest
they had stuff like that in vt2 where u dont get random crits anymore but every ...
@long wharf actually gave me an interesting idea, I think.
How about every Nth hit becomes a mini-voidstrike shot with explosion, while voidstrike's alt fire becomes a trauma-like explosion? At that point, it could also work on trauma's alt and make that even bigger.
long wharf
or even better, trash the existing special attacks for all the staves
runic nest
The smacks?
long wharf
and give each staff a unique special related to its warp attack
spice veldt
bonk
runic nest
Yeah, I've been thinking that since day one.
cyan notch
they have to balance it around flashlight tier
olive ember
The special attacks are so useless smh
long wharf
like, for Trauma, make the special a charged attack like the alt-fire, but have it suck enemies in
long wharf
and place a patch of warpfire
olive ember
Give it some kind of use ffs
runic nest
like, for Trauma, make the special a charged attack like the alt-fire, but have ...
Stagger inwards, then use the alt to blast them, sweeeeet
cyan notch
most ranged specials are like i said flashlight tier and arent supposed to be great
spice veldt
would counter one of the downsides/upsides of it though, so maybe for another variant
olive ember
I mean
runic nest
Purg can have a concentrated beam - make all the melta-staff wishes come true
long wharf
for surge staff, make it charge the player so that any hit they take "casts" a surge charge to them and enemies near them
runic nest
Voidstrike can have a big push
olive ember
for surge staff, make it charge the player so that any hit they take "casts" a s...
Thatβs so shit tho
long wharf
make void a self-centered big AoE blast
long wharf
Thatβs so shit tho
then you come up with something
cyan notch
flashlight
leaden thunder
I mean make it proc on blocks
olive ember
Lightning bolt
long wharf
I mean make it proc on blocks
that works, sure do that
olive ember
And let me chuck it at the nearest crusher
runic nest
for surge staff, make it charge the player so that any hit they take "casts" a s...
Hm. Perhaps rather "surge to all players in cohesion and briefly stun enemies about to hit them".
Maximum defense and team support.
long wharf
or a single target massive lightning bolt, I'm okay with that too
point is - make the special, you know, special
not a stupid ass melee poke
olive ember
Or just a flashlight kekw
cyan notch
theyd have to revamp a ton of ranged specials
olive ember
Id actually take a flashlight over the staff bash
runic nest
Or at the very least a really fast poke
cyan notch
all of them are just yseless melee pokes or flashlights
runic nest
So that it's worth for finishing off that one trashmob who survived and is about to hit you
olive ember
Atleast a flashlight is funny for my monkey brain cuz I can turn it on and off while in an elevator
runic nest
all of them are just yseless melee pokes or flashlights
Or special bullets for the shotguns
Which is the best implementation of specials so far.
olive ember
Alright so who wants to make a bug report and the title is βplaceholder for staff specials are still in gameβ
long wharf
go for it
cyan notch
u do it
runic nest
And fex the bolter bash is actually kinda useful in the way I described
olive ember
Iβm in class so yeah
cyan notch
no replies labeled not a bug and locked in 1 day
runic nest
It pushes quite well, giving time for a reload
long wharf
I've equally thought about making a bug report "certain psyker staves are missing blessings common to other staves"
and "psyker staves are mistakenly separate weapon types instead of mark variations of a base staff type"
olive ember
no replies labeled not a bug and locked in 1 day
You donβt know that
What if they actually forgot to replace the placeholders smh
leaden thunder
I mean
they fucken could be
tbh
the primary fire feels like a place holder on most of them
ornate hamlet
trauma primary fire
now do avatar earthbender combos
smack staff on ground for endless aoe
olive ember
Alright whose at their pcs and can make a bug report
If we all think itβs a bug then surely it must be
Thatβs how things work in darktide
leaden thunder
already made one for something that isn't realyl a bug
so I am not gonna make another
magic burrow
I dislike playing with Trauma Psykers, since they knock all the small riff raff around, and since they get knock down I keep thinking they're dead until they get back up and start humping my leg.
long wharf
I wonder if the devs would care if 20 people liked the bug report
long wharf
I dislike playing with Trauma Psykers, since they knock all the small riff raff ...
this is one of the two reasons why I dislike the Trauma staff
dispersing a horde is not good for the team
ember sentinel
if you aim it so that the front half the circle is all that hits then it at least just knocks them into the horde and kills that front part
but its weird yeah
foggy canopy
I only like to use it when we're getting overrun, or in a bind like trying to secure a revive
ember sentinel
or you do it so deep in the horde that it doesnt matter but thats a certain situation
foggy canopy
but again, it's utility is limited compared to others. When offense feels like a better defense than whatever it could provide
ember sentinel
with trauma i usually just fire off a couple slams and then when the hordes close i just melee
so it only gets very certain use
i enjoy it tho
long wharf
I don't mind that, I mind when a trauma user decides to help me with the horde right in front of me
ember sentinel
tied with purge but below void
long wharf
and by doing so sends still living enemies everywhere
I had the damned horde contained and controlled, damn you
ember sentinel
yeah i usually try not to do it near people and if i do for some reason ill slam whatever goes behind them
as well
so that it doesnt hit them lol
spice veldt
I do like the stagger for bulwarks/crushers/ragers and you're not able to move out of position; recently had a game where I couldn't move out of a pillar since I didn't have any space to kill the sniper and I had to keep two bulwarks and a few maulers/ragers off of me
very nice staff for fighting in-place
ember sentinel
me when purge just staggers AND kills them
ornate hamlet
I dislike playing with Trauma Psykers, since they knock all the small riff raff ...
same-ish tbh
spice veldt
though crushers seem to have a period of stagger resist/invuln against purg
ornate hamlet
when shit's on the ground, it's shit that's not lined up for a headshot with horizontal swings
ember sentinel
yeah usually i just BB after the stagger if i can
long wharf
nor heads lined up for void shots
spice veldt
purg is nice, but the range does hamper it against ranged enemies a little bit (not that it matters for a lot of map sections)
ember sentinel
range is the only issue with it yeah
long wharf
I dislike Ogryns that charge through a group just to bleed them for the same reason
ember sentinel
i generally take it on maps where i dont need a ton of range
spice veldt
esp when my sword can cleave 21 poxwalkers
leaden thunder
bleed on charge is terrible yes
ember sentinel
i think i used the toughness one?
long wharf
uh oh FartShart broke Warp Nexus description
ember sentinel
havent played ogyrn in a while
leaden thunder
warp nexus and thrust both have broken descriptions rn
ember sentinel
yeah some of them are broken lol
olive ember
Apparently they screwed thrust
long wharf
like what the hell, how hard is it to not break a description that you didn't touch anyways?
come on, FartShart, get your shit together
get all together, put it in a backpack, bag, whatever
spice veldt
and an ogryn feat description I believe
long wharf
just.. get your shit together
near wyvern
though crushers seem to have a period of stagger resist/invuln against purg
Crushers have stagger immunity for like 3 seconds ish (hard to measure) after getting hit by a strong stagger or getting up from a knock down
lethal folio
Probably fixed some international localisation and shunted the default.
long wharf
alright, siblings
if I'm not going to be blocking like I used to, what should I reroll block efficiency to on my curios?
already have toughness regen
spice veldt
I'm a toughness stan, so I vote for +toughness perks
long wharf
stamina regen? is that a serious suggestion?
spice veldt
sure it is
lethal folio
Crusshers have3 second immune time for explosive stagger.
spice veldt
for running around, getting bars for pushes
I do find stamina to make a difference for moving around when enemies are around, though it especially matters only for a few events so far (relay station midevent, hab dreyko, ammo raid finale, excise vault finale)
though I also don't run KD
long wharf
okay time to try something... funky
twilit flicker
Dockets, if you dare
long wharf
Illisi, Surge staff, 333133
foggy canopy
As someone just getting back into the game at level 20, what are some good perks to look out for?
long wharf
gonna be edging like a teen whose parents went away for the weekend
spice veldt
if I forget all the times I get sniped, then I've never been sniped
ember sentinel
As someone just getting back into the game at level 20, what are some good perks...
Flak/unarmored/mutants
if your talking about weapons
carapace/unyielding in certain situations
twilit flicker
As someone just getting back into the game at level 20, what are some good perks...
Dockets and skill, cuz nothing can overtake skill.
They have good advice though ^^^ toughness, hp, toughness regen, dockets if you're a chad. And for weapons, flak, and mutant.
gilded viper
if I forget all the times I get sniped, then I've never been sniped
If u close your eye every time u get snipe did u really get snipe or a random enemy hit u 
idle bay
So Mutants now just run and can't do anything to players ? π
twilit flicker
They scream a lot.
gilded viper
So Mutants now just run and can't do anything to players ? π
Yes
I did 1 game on zealot before school
void mural
What about the dogs? That was the main issue I had with disabler enemies
gilded viper
And I had multiple time where a mutant would just ran pass me and do nothing
austere estuary
woo good contracts
gilded viper
It feel so crazy that I'm countering them by doing nothing and should had been punish
cyan notch
So Mutants now just run and can't do anything to players ? π
ran through me twice in a game lol
spice veldt
dogs can't pounce you if you're
- Dodge-sliding backwards or sideways
- Dodging forward into them or sideways
gilded viper
Umm I had surge psyker so dog were 
spice veldt
at least from testing in the meatgrinder
ember sentinel
thank fuck
gilded viper
Need more games but colleg
cyan notch
i didnt even react in time and he phased through me
ember sentinel
dogs and poxbursters had me malding before
idle bay
woo good contracts
There should be at least two 700 Melk tokens contarcts - or it's a waste of time π
void mural
dogs can't pounce you if you're
- Dodge-sliding backwards or sideways
- Dodg...
So, actually properly dodgable, like with how gutter runners were consistent and not buggy?
idle bay
i didnt even react in time and he phased through me
Now we need tweak to Snipers that matches their speed of aim and accuracy to match one of average camo-Vet π
twilit flicker
There should be at least two 700 Melk tokens contarcts - or it's a waste of time...
I tan out of dockets to replace a "no player deaths: 1 time" contract. Lmao
Had to play a game to get more, no one died lmao.
gilded viper
Sniper laser just need to be seeable in the sand map
I swear it invisible on that map
ember sentinel
i think it shouldnt be red anyway
idle bay
Sniper laser just need to be seeable in the sand map
Dodge simple does not work vs them in missions with a slight signs of lag. You dodged - you behind cover, sound of shot - AFTER you gone to cover - and you still take damage
ember sentinel
hard to distinguish from lasers at times
grizzled jasper
I tan out of dockets to replace a "no player deaths: 1 time" contract. Lmao
Been there I had to sell my gear to avoid that or
Barrel a player 
spice veldt
even when I can see a sniper's laser, I can't formulate the correct reaction in time for whatever reason
I have this habit of needing to hold a direction key for a moment before I dodge instead of just tapping dodge immediately
leaden thunder
I drop shot a sniper today, wasn't hard
ember sentinel
i usually dont have an issue with them unless they just prefire me around a corner
leaden thunder
but felt cool
ember sentinel
before i get a chance to react
or i get stuck on something
like on that one map with the train rails
void mural
I feel like if they changed the sniper aiming laser to some other color besides the same as normal las shots, that'd be really helpful for differentiating between them when you've got lasers flying
grizzled jasper
Pink
cyan notch
green would work
long wharf
yeah, Wrack & Ruin definitely needs to proc on any BB hit
even on a specialist mission, I was competing for elite/special hits
void mural
Yeah, I personally think green would fit for sniper aiming laser
summer prairie
yeah but you are always competing no matter what feat you pick
leaden thunder
also green is nurgle color
idle bay
There should be an easter egg of dead sniper in some missions. Dead sniper with his sniper rifle half shoved inside his throat.
summer prairie
if you pick +damage you are still not getting anything out of it when someone kills the target first
long wharf
yeah but you are always competing no matter what feat you pick
that's the problem
gilded viper
I think if u use kb u can out speed some teammate on elite killing but sometime your teammate are actually Chad and are useful
long wharf
nah, because then you could target any mook with BB to get W&R procs
gilded viper
Not really but then again I use w&r alot on my gun psyker build and I don't have that much of a problem getting the used out of it
long wharf
instead of requiring hitting the elites
halcyon creek
There should be an easter egg of dead sniper in some missions. Dead sniper with ...
There is a dead sniper at the start of one of the missionsβ¦ of course I donβt remember which one
spice veldt
that should be the ammo raid map?
cyan notch
logistratum
idle bay
There is a dead sniper at the start of one of the missionsβ¦ of course I donβt re...
His dead body is too intact. There should sniper rifle shoved inside him from either side - or it does not count
gilded viper
I don't think hitting a elite is that big of a issue unless your gsme is overrun by that 1 bolter vet
long wharf
I just want W&R to be more generally usable
a feat that is genuinely usable in a somewhat rare circumstance will always be beat out by an always useful feat
aka WU
void mural
Hmm... what if W&R just aoe'd any excess damage from a BB kill around the target? Would make targeting low hp enemies in a crowd actually do something, and provide a horde clearing niche if you took W&R
long wharf
Hmm... what if W&R just aoe'd any excess damage from a BB kill around the target...
that wouldn't make sense with what BB is
ionic needle
Not really but then again I use w&r alot on my gun psyker build and I don't have...
What's the reason for using W&R with gun?
long wharf
which is crushing the enemy's head/weakspot
summer prairie
yeah no, killing 3 poxwalkers would be much worse
fierce sinew
number of stacks scaling with overkill damage is much too cool, nothing like that can happen
leaden thunder
which is crushing the enemy's head/weakspot
turn their skull into a frag grenade with your mind
gilded viper
Cause it feel nice with kb and bb help the fact I don't have armor pen weapons sometimes
void mural
that wouldn't make sense with what BB is
Idk, psychic explosion of the excess psychic power used to pop the target's head or something
ionic needle
Cause it feel nice with kb and bb help the fact I don't have armor pen weapons s...
Makes sense, what weapons are you running with it?
ember sentinel
auto pistol is also good
i actually enjoy mk12 las gun but its not the best build
in the world
gilded viper
Used mk12 in the new event and it felt nice
ionic needle
Never actually tried anything but the autopistol, I love that shit too much
gilded viper
The other guns are fun, but the auto pistol do be going turbo
No lie my biggest reason I use the recon alot now so I can't pretend hit reg isn't a thing when I shoot 5mil bullet at a time
supple skiff
just had a game where I popped a demon eye and got to like 90 percent corruption instantly
idle bay
just had a game where I popped a demon eye and got to like 90 percent corruption...
You forgot to say "Emprah protect" before poking it.
supple skiff
should have figured it was a skill issue
ionic needle
anyone up for helping me finally getting these two bad boys?
long wharf
anyone up for helping me finally getting these two bad boys?
ask in lfg
so, my next test run for W&R is going to be 332232
ionic needle
Oh, right, thanks!
long wharf
the more I think about it, the more I'm sure that Kinetic Flayer isn't a good option for this
might just swap that for WB
ionic needle
How do I roll this? flak instead of infested and flurry instead of run n gun?
ionic needle
cool, thanks
olive ember
Ah alright