psyker-class

[faint heron]

that one was super fun

[cyan notch]

beam is not really m1 simulator

[olive ember]

I think I only used coruscation staff tho

[ruby plover]

beam shotgun was insane

[forest coral]

I blew myself up as an unchained a few times

[olive ember]

tbh I didn't like sienna in VT kek

[ruby plover]

also blowing up the beam after channeling it

[forest coral]

Cause I forgor

[olive ember]

Oh yeah i guess there was that yeah

[cyan notch]

how can u even blow up with unchained u have a built in anti blow up mechanic

[faint heron]

playing unchained wrong, you just spam flaming flail

[forest coral]

you see

[olive ember]

I was IB main

[forest coral]

I set up fires to 100%

[olive ember]

Bruh flaming flail

[forest coral]

And then a rat hit me when f was down

[olive ember]

I can't bring myself to buy the dlc to get that weapon

kinda ruined sienna as a whole for me

[faint heron]

i think they nerfed flaming flail

[olive ember]

cuz I don't particularly liked the fire sword

[forest coral]

Flail is such a goated weapon still

[olive ember]

maybe

[ruby plover]

chad unchained users use mace

always has been the truth

simple as

[olive ember]

I just run IB bardin

[forest coral]

Mace unchained is fukin good

[olive ember]

coghammer + trollhammer

ez pz

[cyan notch]

mace is slow

[faint heron]

coghammer is pretty broken

[cyan notch]

needs push attacks to start its combo iirc

[ruby plover]

correct

[forest coral]

and then I played waystalker with glaive/ spear and life was easy again

[ruby plover]

but i thought that was cool

mace has light bonk, heavy bonk, endless heavy swing combo

all available

just have to open with push sometimes

[faint heron]

saltspire billhook was a skill build, so much fun

[cyan notch]

it was a cool fire stick until flail became a better fire stick

[olive ember]

Briar javelin + glaive hand maiden

A pretty kekw build

[ruby plover]

i hated the flail moveset

i used that shit once and went erm nvm

[cyan notch]

after they changed mace it didnt set shit on fire anymore

[ruby plover]

after begging for a flaming flail for months and months

[faint heron]

flaming flail was OG brutal momentum lol

[forest coral]

Flail is antax u mean

[faint heron]

pretty much

[cyan notch]

meanwhile crowbill left in the dust

[faint heron]

that overhead heavy too ooooffff

[forest coral]

What’s a crowbill never heard of her

[olive ember]

Why don’t we have troll hammer in darktide smh

[cyan notch]

flail just beats mace and crowbill it can do armour and cc and horde

[forest coral]

Dagger

[faint heron]

crowbill was abandoned when they nerfed her

[olive ember]

I’d run a trollhammer on zealot fuck those other guns

Give me a trollhammer

[faint heron]

just run Bardin with troll hammer and cog hammer but you never use trollhammer because coghammer is just better in every way lol

you bring trollhammer for the 1 or 2 times a boss comes lol

[forest coral]

I got blown up on troll hammer when I was on elf yesterday

Some things never change

[cyan notch]

when u want to fight the boss but bardin says no

[forest coral]

When u want to melee the hookrat and bardin says “LOOK OUT WAZUMGI”

Or was it wutelgi

[cyan notch]

azumgi is kruber yea

[faint heron]

i know having a squat in this game doesnt make sense lore wise but man would it add some funny dialect lines haha

the voice acting in this game is the best part of this game lol

[cyan notch]

what is a squat

[faint heron]

space dwarf

[olive ember]

I mean at this point we already slaughter our way through plague ogryns daemonhosts n beasts of nurgle

What’s a bit more stretch of the imagination

[faint heron]

soon they will have us killing plague marines no doubt 😂

like its a walk in the park

imagine a human killing something thats virtually unkillable

[forest coral]

Final boss, chaos itself

[edgy finch]

is illis redundant with purg psyker?

[forest coral]

https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy-chaos-square-enix-gif-21948103

[edgy finch]

starting to think deimos suits it better

[forest coral]

Still viable since illisi is good all rounder

Deimos generally better for picking off stragglers and wrecking elites

[olive ember]

Both are good with purge

One is an all rounder and the other is specifically amazing against stuff like mutants

[edgy finch]

i see

[spice veldt]

there's some overlap, but the illisi is still nice even as just a melee stick for getting toughness back

[shadow quail]

Melk is being nice to me

[primal plume]

this is a meme on trauma staff isnt it

[spice veldt]

if you really like the LMB on trauma yup, since it doesn't work on the RMB

[primal plume]

a shame

[vestal raven]

thats hot

[plucky perch]

i feel like even with bb i NEED a solid single target staff...

[spice veldt]

yeah

BB is not exactly the best DPS weapon ever

peril glock when

[plucky perch]

its.. reliable, but shooter gunner packs singular targets at range that dont warrant a 3 second channel per target....again we so need somehting along the lines of the bolt staff, hitscan full auto primary sniper style secondary with peirce

they alredy copied the cuaroustation, flame waver, and fire balls staff XD

[bold flint]

if you need to kill mass gunners quick then just pop them all with kinetic barrage

dont blame bb not being enough when you choose not to pick the perk that makes it enough

[spice veldt]

that's still pretty slow and only 5 enhanced BBs at most for the duration of barrage

[edgy lotus]

Best purgatus blessings?

[drowsy slate]

Increase crit and uninterruptable (in my opinion)

Crit on flame get you additional soulblaze stacks so critchance blessing is… ok? It synergies with high parrel as well and as long as there is no other good Offensive blessing I would take uninterruptable

Perks flak armor unarmored infested are all good crit chance is ok

[edgy lotus]

cool, ty

[drowsy slate]

Before you take Action wait for pro psykers to respond. That’s what I know but iam no psyker pro

So take it with a grain of salt 😂

[edgy lotus]

Too late. I sold my house, divorced my wife

[drowsy slate]

In that case…. Take my words as if they were spoken by god 😂

[kind jay]

instructions unclear, dick stuck in medicae station

[edgy lotus]

well, it is the 'me-dick-aye'

[drowsy slate]

I also like charge Speed blessing but it’s a different playstyle 🤷

[cyan notch]

[edgy lotus]

any advice on this one?

[tacit jungle]

mob makes me cry a little

[kind jay]

change one to slaughter. gonna be your choice

or actually maybe not? depends if you will use it for hordes at all

i would personally do slaughter\unstable for the juicy juice. but if you like deflector you can swap unstable instead

[drowsy slate]

If you play purg I like unstable if not I think deflector is more versatile

[ionic frost]

Methinks he doesn't play damnation...

[edgy lotus]

Me? I play exlusively damnation, but pretty new on Psyker.

[ionic frost]

Whoever said you get 1100 plasteel on damnation. =)

[edgy lotus]

oh. 1100? Never even seen 800 tbh

[ionic frost]

i've gotten 805 before =)

[digital loom]

mutant poking stick

now i just need to try and make a better one

[shadow onyx]

is it me or deflector doesnt work when reviving someone ?

[digital loom]

zealots complained about it so they removed it

cant block bullets anymore

while revive

[shadow onyx]

never saw whining about this in zealot chan

probably in reddit

[elfin flower]

Pysker doesn't deserve anything

[shadow onyx]

[kind jay]

tinfoil theory that fartshark only buffed psykers so they have new things to nerf, as pre patch psyker was nearly dry on useful things

so far this theory checks out

[shadow onyx]

its obvious devs are main vets who play in t3

we all know that

[river sand]

ultimate mutant poking stick 😉

[digital loom]

hadron has bricked all of my good deimos swords

i'm down to the b list

[cyan portal]

Do you even need mutant dmg to one shot them?

[river sand]

good question

[digital loom]

my guestimate is no

[river sand]

ill check how much peril i need

[digital loom]

but i havent found an 80 damage finesse first target yet that will get the perks and blessings that i want

[river sand]

nahh even at 100 peril i still need 1 stack of slaughterer for 1 hit

at least without warp stacks

at 6 warp stacks i need >40% for oneshot. so yeah +mutant is good

[shadow onyx]

i think you need at least slaughterer

but i have 0 luck with psyker

so i cant try

[river sand]

but my test was without warp unleashed

cause i mostly run flurry trauma

but anyway imo best melee weapon for a non-surge staff build

[cyan notch]

u do need +mutant

else youd need to be 6 warp charges 100 peril and more

[river sand]

or slaughterer stacks wich sucks

needing the stacks sucks, slaugtherer in general is great

[cyan notch]

yea

less consistent

[shadow onyx]

but special ticks stacks slaughterer right ?

[river sand]

no kills stacks slaugtherer. and the one hit is not with the special its with the second heavy

with that you can kill the charging mutie without dodgin

[shadow onyx]

oh yes

i always forgot slaughterer stacks on kill

[prisma condor]

Hmm

[kind jay]

3k for nexus 4 on surge is a good deal

[idle bay]

perks are borked though....

[kind jay]

nah pull the blessing

[idle bay]

But besides perks - it's quite good

[thorny crypt]

wats the best psyker fire build?

[twilit flicker]

Quietude sounds like a common pick for staves these days, and it goes without saying Ascendant Blaze. Some like wildfire but idk, I use Kinetic Barrage in all my builds, I pretty much keep mine mostly the same...

[twilit flicker]

I guess it's personal preference

[edgy kite]

Is the deimos trick to one shotting maniacs to first do a normal swing, then charge the heavy attack poke?

[cyan notch]

yes

[edgy kite]

Ok cheers 🙂

[cyan notch]

[steep shuttle]

Why use a dueling sword?

[leaden thunder]

uh, you don't have a deimos yet or are leveling

[olive ember]

The duelling sword was like a B or C tier weapon the moment they removed movement tech

now that the deimos overshadows it its like

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[edgy kite]

This worth taking to legendary?

[olive ember]

transfer peril lmao

eh

If you have resources to spare i think its worth gambling to see what blessing you get

[near wyvern]

That's a bit subjective. For me, no, for you? How do I know.

Reasons:

• looking for T4 Blessings? Sure
• don't have anything better? Sure

[edgy kite]

Aight i'll pass then, strapped for resources

[olive ember]

basically what you would need to do is pray for warp flurry or rending shock as your 2nd blessing and if you get neither then the staff is bricked

[edgy kite]

ah ok, I have this but it feels weak, though maybe I'm using it wrong?

[near wyvern]

Just a quick tip if you pass on all "hurr durr not perfect blessing and perks" when you don't have something better it's gonna take a long ass time to get a weapon for yourself

[olive ember]

oh yeah no but I'm assuming hes already got something decent if hes asking

[edgy kite]

Oh i know, I've been using the trauma staff, and it's been doing okay

[olive ember]

typically when you are asking "if this thing is worth upgrading" i'm assuming you already have some form of half decent equipment lying around

and you aren't like... lvl 20 or something asking about a rating 200 weapon XD

[near wyvern]

It feels week because it's a support stick

[olive ember]

yeah if you are expecting that thing to kill it won't rly

besides maybe shooters

[near wyvern]

Flak is the only thing that really dies to surge

[edgy kite]

Worth swapping the crit blessing then to something else to emphasize on the support?

[near wyvern]

No

[olive ember]

Nah crit increases CC and is BiS on surge

[near wyvern]

Crits increase stagger

[olive ember]

Also has surge innately high crit rate so it pairs well

[edgy kite]

Ah okay, what about the two perks?

[olive ember]

Honestly idk if the perks are that important 🤔 prob one of them to flak or maniac or even just crit chance

[near wyvern]

Swap unyielding into +crit chance if you wanna go all the way on the support category, other option is to roll unyielding into maniac

[edgy kite]

Okay cheers 🙂 I'll go crit chance then, more universal

[near wyvern]

Carapace is good to have since it helps to deal with crushers. Unyielding is bosses which you should not hit with that staff under any circumstances and Reapers + Bulwakrs which die fast by your team once you stun them anyways.

So wither + crit chance for more crits or + maniac for better damage against flamers, bombers and trappers.

[shut willow]

What's the BiS blessings for Voidstrike?
Got one with Transfer Peril 4 + Surge

And want to put Warp Flurry 4 on it
But both Blessings are tantalisingly good...help me out, associates 😦

[edgy kite]

Got it, thank you very much 🙂

[near wyvern]

Transfer Peril 4 + Warp Flurry 4

Surge is ass

[shut willow]

Is it?

Aw

[near wyvern]

You trigger a second shot when you crit so most often what happens is you bowl through heads, get a crit and cast another ball straight into wall cause they all dead already.

What about elites? The elite damage is still shit even with surge and warp nexus. Transfer Peril + Flurry can just cast faster and do it forever until the wave ends.

[shut willow]

Got it, thanks for the explanation! 🙂

Surge on Trauma's secondary would be a dream
Alas, it's not working like that

[near wyvern]

Yeah and even if it was it wouldn't be that great for the same reasons. You blast once and send shit flying, an immediate second cast would just hit air.

[river sand]

voidstrike with surge and t4 nexus isnt completly bad when you manage to quell cancel between shots

but flurry+transfer is the more reliable option

[near wyvern]

It's tricky cause you can actually quell cancel the surge proc if you are too fast

That is, you can prevent it from proccing

[river sand]

but its extremly satisfying when it proccs on gunners/shotgunners/ragers and you onehit kill them

[snow coral]

played RNG with my force swords and managed to earn Unstable Power III, I should replace Shred with that one, yeah?

[river sand]

yeah shred 1 sucks

[snow coral]

Yeah I know it does, I was waiting until I had enough force swords stocked to consecrate and fish for a better blessing

[river sand]

unstable isnt bad

you got a nice base stats roll with low warp res, which comes in handy with unstable

[snow coral]

The only 4's I got was Slaughterer, so that's out, and Shred and Bloodthirsty

Yeah, I've been trying to keep my peril above 80, leaning into increased damage with high peril

[river sand]

slaughterer + unstable or slaughterer + deflector are completly viable options

deimos has slaughterer + uncanny as a third option

[snow coral]

I like the illis a lot more than the deimos

[river sand]

i fell in love with deimos 😉

[snow coral]

I don't like the animation lock on the deimos, I prefer how the illis acts like a PS on the special

[river sand]

its good with small hordes (higher density is my staff) and amazing on singletargets

i never use the special

the standard second heavy attack can kill charging mutie in one hit without even dodging

[worn cypress]

the stabby attack hits harder than the special afaik

[cyan notch]

nah

[worn cypress]

I might be confusing it with something else

[river sand]

it just slightly weaker than the special but much faster and no animation lock

with this one, no buffs, no stacks, warp unleashed at 0 peril 3274 dmg on mutie headshot with the 2nd heavy

and ~ 3700 for the special

on crusher its 620 for the heavy and 1134 for the special

it can oneshot everything except mauler/crusher/bullwark/reaper with the second heavy

[feral verge]

LMFAOOO. LOL LMAOOOO AHAHHA

WEAKSPOT DAMAGE

BAD SWORD

WORST SWORD

REROLL BOZO

[river sand]

Atm im expirimenting with the trauma staff and wether to use warp unleashed or inner tranq

[obtuse moth]

if you use trauma repeatedly inner tranq is better imo

if you use it to build peril or immediately swap to melee you might like WU

[nimble burrow]

i love my trauma, the power of inner tranquility overcomes all my enemies.

Oh, Darktide? Surge. I like Siths.

[river sand]

thing with trauma is you need + infested for oneshotting poxers and unarmoured for dreg bruisers (or at least 5 warp stacks) but i want flak as well. so running inner tranq means having standard mobs that need at least 5 stacks for the oneshot

[cyan notch]

u can use aura and kinetic barrage to keep stacks

then do unarmoured and flak

u only need like 2/3 warp charges to 1 shot poxwalkers

[river sand]

yeah sure, but on the other hand WU helps with the onehot mutie 😉

maybe i should play void again. with transfer peril WU is set

[olive ember]

had a game with 3 ogryns and not a single one of em had a bull butcher

lets just say it was alot of stabbing the ground

[plush fossil]

Oof

Did one of them have the slab shield tho?

[olive ember]

no

but one of them did go afk

twice

or was it three times

[plush fossil]

Perhaps the slab was just intensively thinking to himself

[ruby plover]

i love poking a sea of ground while the guy responsible waltzes ahead

peak tide

(he will later blame you when he dies to waddling out in front of 4 gunners )

[olive ember]

They forget to ping enemies too

its like

4 gunners and 3 reapers

just suppressing the shit out of us

and its just like dude ping em so I can actually BB em

pls

too busy holding m1 and spraying their stubber

[cyan notch]

people rarely ping in this game

idk why

[snow coral]

i find people either never ping or they have that shit tied to their primary attack and it's obnoxious

[summer prairie]

I just spam t, probably a few hundred pings per map at least

can't imagine playing a psyker without ping spam

[still socket]

Ajust took me 3600 Rolls to get a perk in a Curio

[olive ember]

hadron lmao

[still socket]

Imagine that without mod

" Hey what did U docon easterbweekend" nothing big Just reolled a Curio 3600 times

[void mural]

For real. When your "crafting system" requires mods to not make your players commit suicide, you screwed up

[river sand]

imagine it would be like in other games where it gets more expensive the more you reroll

[lucid olive]

time to go to hadron to brick this

unsalvageable?

[olive ember]

pretty much

I mean if you don't have anything else slap warp flurry on it and its useable I guess

[nimble burrow]

Of the two, Keep sustained, it’s nice for shooting galleries outside your secondary range when you don’t wanna just sit and pop

[still socket]

Big time

[nimble burrow]

Genuinely it only needs flurry and whatever perk you prefer. you hit bingo on everything. Im jealous.

[sly cove]

Thoughts?

[olive ember]

Illisi is pgood

voidstrike blessings are big rip

[sly cove]

What blessings are best in slot for Void?

[runic nest]

eh, one of two is good

with those stats, it's still a good staff

[sly cove]

The perks are trashy on voidstrike staff

[fluid cove]

where should I put slaughterer IV? what should I do about the perks?

[void mural]

Deflector is nice if you find it useful. Exorcist is ok, depending on what build you're going. Personally I'd replace exorcist with slaughterer

[safe crystal]

Transfer peril and flurry

[olive ember]

^^

[lucid olive]

on void I use flurry

[still socket]

Flurry and peril Transfer works insanely good

Requires some decent AIM tho

[orchid shadow]

Ooh, not the best start for Perks or Blessing, but might get lucky

[drowsy slate]

When Fatshark unlocks all perks and blessings for reroll that sword will be beast

Wo t salvage it. Community Manager Said something about unlock everything for rerolls a while back

[orchid shadow]

Really? I must've missed that one. I was thinking that they wouldn't budge on that particular design choice.

[twilit flicker]

Could be hoping/coping hehe. I certainly hope so but also agree with you. Not that would know, and I don't.

[fresh steeple]

it's such a good base, why couldn't blast have been larger?

I'm still thinking of getting it, as epicenter radius isn't affected too much by blast

[twilit flicker]

Would be nice to find a system for all that extra EXP and Diamantine though ...

[fresh steeple]

It's a difference of ~1.25 yards for full blast radius and ~0.18 for epicenter radius.

kk I'm getting it. Talking to myself here, of course, but still. Let's see how it rolls.

rip. bricked on the upgrade. Guess it doesn't matter.

It's a fool's hope that they remove the stupid locking system, but I'm gonna keep holding onto that hope anyway

[twilit flicker]

Sorry I didn't give you any input, i don't use voidstrike. I'd say it looks OKish if you fine with the low rank nexus, but there's always an if ... and I mean the upgrades.

[ember hornet]

if they remove locks then perfect weapon is like 5-10 damnations of brunts idk

If I had to pay my student loans then everyone else should have to

forever

[olive ember]

bruh

fucking boomer

[ember hornet]

you don't understand

it's just not fair

[nimble burrow]

beta tester 🫵

[void mural]

Remove locks, make rerolls cost diamantine, lower the cost, but remove the free eventual cost. If only fatshark was reasonable

[nimble burrow]

I want to forge diamantine weapon skins

then i can finally bring a flashlight to lights-out

[hollow spindle]

Diamantine is used for toilet paper aboard the Mourningstar

Great that it comes in great excess.

[ornate hamlet]

The free reroll reminds me of Remnant's world analyzer

The devs did some dumb shit of making people mindlessly grind for that one dungeon or event where the final item they need for a build shows up, and people do need to do it on console, but PC has a program that allows you to just enter a world, see the list of every item in it and reroll it if you don't like it

[void mural]

Yeah, if you're going to make rerolls free, why not just let us buy whatever perk we want instead of wasting our time

[ornate hamlet]

It's maybe 30 minutes vs. 30 seconds

[void mural]

RNG for the sake of RNG is stupid

[ornate hamlet]

Makes me feel really bad for the console players and also think the developers don't understand people aren't exactly fond of paying for a game that is designed to waste their time

It's funny that we live in a world that developed F2P systems of "pay to skip", then actual paid games come and adopt the same grind and don't give you the option to pay to skip

Well, depressing funny, not haha funny

The paid games are more F2P than the F2P ones

[void mural]

It's the devs believing in false padded gameplay through randomization. There's a right way to do it, that some roguelikes have managed to fulfill, but it requires an entire thought out big picture for it to not be just "lol, rng"

[hollow spindle]

It's a weird thing though. I guarantee you if everyone had their perfect rolled weapons, people would whine that there's nothing to do.

Darktide wouldn't be the first game to have that happen.

[autumn moth]

RPG elements and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[copper torrent]

Gamers are gonna grind.

[void mural]

It's not that there needs to be no grind, it's that the grind would actually be satisfying if there was measurable results every time you spent resources. You don't get that with slot machines because it's purely RNG

[ornate hamlet]

I do think that people quitting after getting godrolls varies between a game problem and a player problem

[void mural]

Having incremental upgrades like changing your blessing, and it starts at T1. Then you spend x amount of resources to upgrade it to the next tier.

[hollow spindle]

True.

[fresh steeple]

are you talking to me? That was a trauma staff.

[ornate hamlet]

On the game side it could be that the game offers them nothing besides the grind, which is the case for some games where you don't really feel an intrinsic motivation to keep playing and the same can apply to a person as a problem with the way the person approaches activities, namely shallowly

[void mural]

Or allowing players to subtract from one item stat bar and add to another chosen stat bar in small, but measurable increments and cost resources

[ornate hamlet]

Warframe to me became a game that I played to grind, which differed from Vermintide 2 and even Darktide to some extent because here I just play to have fun and the grind happens by itself in the background

[twilit flicker]

Lol! My bad, didn't get enough sleep last night, I also barely use trauma...

[ornate hamlet]

At the end of the day, I do play VT2 and DT because they are just fun to play for me

[valid tulip]

Guys what are currently the best blessings for force staves?

[hollow spindle]

and L4D2 is still a great game, even without any grind mechanics.

I love to play that with friends

[ornate hamlet]

The gear offers a little carrot on a stick, but even when I got reds and godrolls in VT2 I was still logging in and using the same character with the same loadout to do the same missions because it was just what I enjoyed

And if one asks me, I do feel that people who don't feel that kind of motivation themselves for games might be a bit problematic in the head

[valid tulip]

Here's a motivation

Ideal force staff blessings

[ornate hamlet]

And I guess any activity, because if a person plays a game they aren't the best they can be yet and just ditch with "it's not giving me anything to do", I see them taking guitar classes and giving up after learning the basics because "oh, but I'm just practicing the same song and that's boring", as if they couldn't see their own skill progression in the activity

Me, I notice a huge gap between when I started VT2 and where I am now, and even after starting DT after playing VT2 I still had a noticeable improvement to the way I play the game itself

[valid tulip]

Wut

[ornate hamlet]

Basically you can see yourself gitting gud and that's rewarding

People don't need to be held to a game by materialistic progression if they can see their own improvement

[valid tulip]

If you gud I'd like advice on blessings please

[ornate hamlet]

I don't know, I'm mentally damaged

[steel flame]

just had a stupid fun run with high peril illi and shredder pistol

[ornate hamlet]

Based weakspot hit enjoyer

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, and knowledge of game calculations and metas is even a separate category of being good at a game, but I already talked a lot about it and people are getting sleepy

[valid tulip]

I don't usually aim weak spots with charged staff attacks personally

[glad glade]

hey psyker gang, what would you change?

[leaden thunder]

I mean there is only 1 you can realiable hit weakspots with

[steel flame]

infested to flak

[leaden thunder]

and you should always aim at head height with it

[ornate hamlet]

I do admit that while I'm adequate at the basics, when people ask me about breakpoints and perks and blessings I can only parrot most of my "knowledge" because I don't really understand it the same way I understand things like horde management, positioning and other in-the-moment shenanigans

[leaden thunder]

infested to flak and warp nexus to the quell on weakspot hit blessing

[steel flame]

that

[ornate hamlet]

So I know people take flak because flak is important, but which breakpoints it hits on where and if it's actually relevant on the gear people are asking if they should use it on, I have no idea

[glad glade]

warp nexus isnt that good on voidstrike?

[leaden thunder]

not compared to being able to spam it at headheight basically forever

[leaden thunder]

it's mostly becuase like 75% of enemies are flak

whether or not it hits a bp doesn't matter a whole lot, but it bumps your damage up against the most common actually threatening enemies

[glad glade]

Okay makes sense, thanks Sean!

[leaden thunder]

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, that's the only part I really grasp of it

I'm even wondering if psyker can get a damnation bodyshot on the mk12 lasgun or whatever was its name with flak

[valid tulip]

Are those the best general staff blessings?

[leaden thunder]

warp flurry is

[ornate hamlet]

I've been trying some guns loosely in the psykhanium and found out that it feels like the mk12 is the most ammo-efficient of the bunch, not that I've done any Excel spreadsheets or anything

[leaden thunder]

you'd be right

[ornate hamlet]

I just shot enemies and looked at ammo and though "maybe this is better than the other"

[leaden thunder]

it is incredible ammo efficient

I have to try to run low with it

(or play bad)

[ornate hamlet]

A job I'm perfect for

[cyan notch]

fake ammo count btw

stop that shit fatshark

[ornate hamlet]

Me hitting several headshots with ghost laspistol while dancing in front of shooters:
The wall who ate two thirds of the magazine I dumped on the shooter crowd:

Oh yeah, the lasguns and other weapons like it really annoyed me with the ammo

It makes the whole thing feel huge, then you realize some eat 4 ammo on a single shot

[void mural]

They really should have an ammo per shot stat for lasguns

[cyan notch]

helbores are fine cuz variable charge shots

but laspistol and lasguns are stupid

[ornate hamlet]

The recon that eats 2 ammo per shot

Fuckin'ell

[cyan notch]

why tho

but i ask again

why

scientists in the year 4067 will still struggle to solve this mystery

why stop at 2 ammo

i say just say fuck it and make revolver have ammo counts in multiples of 56.74

make bolter use 27 million ammo per round

[ornate hamlet]

🤝

EXCUSE ME WHY DO I ONLY HAVE TWO ORANGES, MELK

MELK

[void mural]

Truly the day of milk duds

[ornate hamlet]

I'mma be honest, I wanna buy the recon out of pure spite

Actually

Fuck it, we ballin

Recon psyker

[copper torrent]

I think I saw a recon psyker yesterday doing really well.

is the recon the full auto lasgun?

[ornate hamlet]

Yep

This one is the smartass that eats 2 ammo per shot

[void mural]

I really wish the recon was good. It's quite fun to use

[ornate hamlet]

Also today I tested

Dumdum's "close range" is measured in lightspeed

"Close" means "within 2 galaxies of distance"

[autumn smelt]

unga

and quite possibly bunga

[feral verge]

X

low first target

high warp resistance

that's a pass

[nimble burrow]

ya know they should make a psyker shotgun

warp around n find out

[ornate hamlet]

Kiiiinda works?

The suppression or whatever it is that makes them crouch kinda tilts me tho

Might just use hipfire instead uwu

Oh, dumdum's catch is that it resets if you miss

I recall someone mentioning laspistol has a higher base crit chance, does this apply to the recon too?

[wet jacinth]

Different guns

Different crit rates

[leaden thunder]

recon has a lower crit chance but when it crits it crits multiple times in a row

most automatic weapons do tha

[ornate hamlet]

Based

[leaden thunder]

so while building for crit on sometihng like the autopistol isn't good

it will crit alot

[lost folio]

Ayo, what's the carry staff?

I need something that can basically clown on the game for when the team's toppling over.

[nimble burrow]

depends on what your teams weakness is

[formal flume]

Surge tends to help any comp

[nimble burrow]

need a 1-man army for hoards , purge
surge covers the oh-shit moments and slows the rush, but the team needs to be able to not hit W if they are low damage
trauma is my generalist, but only if maxed
void is to be dragonball

https://tenor.com/view/ki-ball-vegeta-super-saiyan-gif-19073151

[formal flume]

[autumn smelt]

im 100% convinced that there is not a t4 toughness regen perk on curios

[nimble burrow]

i was happy hitting 30% once, i aint got all day to do mods or rolling

[lost folio]

We need another staff.

[twilit flicker]

What would the new staff do?

Bo staff, backflip dodge to roundhouse kick.
No, maybe windstaff that works like Purge but holds off the horde. Or another Trauma staff that causes fire, like what that one guy said way back.

[lost folio]

Revive the twat who just ran in and got himself killed at the press of a button, please.

Mind, not forward running, backwards running.

[olive ember]

A healing staff

Noice noice

[lost folio]

Or a Voidstrike with Surge on it so I can stun an entire horde, please.

Either will do.

[twilit flicker]

I could imagine revival as a class feature, replace psykinetics wrath to revive team mates but have it at a 5 or 10 minute cooldown. No it would be too easy lol. Healing would be new though.

[unreal dust]

... you can just get a soulblaze blessing on Trauma staff though...

[twilit flicker]

Yes! Yes!

Do it fatshark!

[lost folio]

If Trauma blasted harder, I'd use it.

[autumn smelt]

holy

[snow coral]

I need to get that plugin

[lost folio]

Watch Hadron brick it.

While looking you straight in the eyes.

[void mural]

Took me 360 rerolls to get it last time I rolled. This mod is your friend
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/30

[autumn smelt]

i cant use mods

[void mural]

Why?

[autumn smelt]

i use geforce now

https://tenor.com/view/kazuhira-miller-they-played-us-like-gif-25533461

should i keep going on it

[olive ember]

Eh

I mean

It’s not ruined yet

[autumn smelt]

yet

[void mural]

Implying that you didn't previously? Boot up the game on your local machine with mods when crafting.

[blazing oak]

Does anyone else feel like the last man standing track is too quiet

It gets drowned in the fighting

[autumn smelt]

im pretty sure booting the game on this pc would brick the pc, its already on its last legs lmao

[autumn smelt]

salvageable i think

shit perks but yknow

[olive ember]

Huh I mean salvageable but yeah

Slap warp flurry on there

And change idek

[void mural]

Oof, though there's a mod for that.
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/49

[autumn smelt]

i use 2 different pcs, the one im using rn is the worse one

the better one couldnt handle the potato config

[void mural]

Well, save crafting till the better one. Because the garbage "crafting" is made to waste your time

I got that t4 perk with 4 clicks and about 2 mins of time instead of the possibly hour it could have taken manually

And hundreds of clicks

[autumn smelt]

i feel like keeping the crit chance would be better

cuz that 8% damage against poxwalkers wont really do much if im one shotting them anyway with it

[late yew]

Damn, Melk is such a bro to my psyker

"You are an inspiration"

What should i replace with deflector?

and which perk

[feral verge]

ive never felt like i needed flak on deimos

[olive ember]

That sword is bricked

[feral verge]

oh

[olive ember]

You aren’t putting deflector on it

[feral verge]

yeah

that first target is bad

[formal flume]

Can still make it work

…maybe

[olive ember]

I mean he can put slaughterer on it and it would work

But putting deflector on it is

Suboptimal at best

[formal flume]

[feral verge]

put deflector over exorcist

[formal flume]

Always nice to have defense

[feral verge]

then when you get bored of deflector, put slaughterer over it

[late yew]

What does that mean

[feral verge]

for slaughterer + unstable wombo combo

[formal flume]

There ya go.

[olive ember]

Swords no good

Bricked

For deflector atleast

[late yew]

well i also has this

[late yew]

What exactly makes it bad for deflector?

[olive ember]

It doesn’t have slaughterer

[formal flume]

That crit damage/chance

[olive ember]

Slaughterer is just BiS for basically all force swords

[formal flume]

All weapons*

[plush fossil]

Pretty much this^^

[feral verge]

for best results, put deflector over exorcist

[late yew]

i have only slaught 2 though

[feral verge]

then like i said, put slaughterer over deflector

2 slaughterer is still amazing

[formal flume]

Basically slaughterer is the best perk in the game and deflector’s only purpose is to not take bullets

[feral verge]

which can be solved 80% of the time by dodging

[formal flume]

Yes

[plush fossil]

On a sword that has infinite dodges too

[late yew]

So remove flak or unyielding?

[formal flume]

Especially since force swords are some of the most busted melees with their infinite dodge

[formal flume]

Keep those

[feral verge]

lowest damage taken, highest damage done

no slaughterer in sight

regular damnation

just dodging

[formal flume]

Although what would be a good alternative to flak damage?

Maniac?

[late yew]

I mean, if you play behind everyone, it is not hard to get least damage

Try do that with melee focused zealot

[feral verge]

i wasnt playing behind everyone

this is my zealot-wannabe melee build

just slide dodging all the time

[olive ember]

Using voidstrike smh

[feral verge]

not voidstrike

that's just the victory pose

[formal flume]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-batman-begins-i-want-one-materialistic-envy-gif-9001708

[feral verge]

it gives you the voidstrike model

i was using surge staff

but you cant tell, because of the damage

[formal flume]

What’s your set up for the illisi?

[feral verge]

this

[formal flume]

[olive ember]

Doesn’t use deflector

SMH

[plush fossil]

Just out of curiosity, what ranged weapons are you psykers primarily using?

[olive ember]

Slaughterer 3

You can use literally any staff

Or auto pistol

And yeah those 5 are the meta

[feral verge]

surge on my zealot-wanne be melee build with illisi

[formal flume]

Recon and purge

[feral verge]

purga on my flamer zealot wannabe melee build

with deimos

[spice veldt]

trauma as an anti-shooter weapon

[formal flume]

Quick question, is there even a reason to use the normal force sword over the Ilisi and the Deimos?

[plush fossil]

Uhhhhhh

It’s got…. The ol’ classy feeling of the og force sword

??

[feral verge]

there's no reason

[formal flume]

[feral verge]

unless if oyu just really like obscurus

[ionic frost]

If you have a good obscurus but garbage deimos/illisi =)

[feral verge]

obscurus is not bad, but it's just outdone by deimos and illisi

[formal flume]

Yee

Deimos is just a straight upgrade in every aspect tho, I’ll say

[late yew]

Ok, first time i see such incompetence

[formal flume]

Illisi can be made an argument for having less single target damage

[plush fossil]

What did I do wrong this time?

[fluid cove]

bloodthirsty/soulblaze does good damage because of guarenteed crits and multiple hits on obscurus, but thats a meme build.

[late yew]

I was downed by mutant throwing me into fires, and then killed by literally 3 shooters

2 other psykers were too dumb to deal with them

[olive ember]

My obscures is great screw the deimos

[formal flume]

Good ol’ meme builds

[plush fossil]

It looks cool as hell on an illisi with wildfire tho

Just soul-smite ye olde pox horde

[late yew]

How to one-shot mutant with deimos?

[fluid cove]

hot take: illisi is too good for wildfire, you wont get to burn anything because it's all dead too fast

[late yew]

You know, i am still convinced that illi lights have more horde dps than heavies

[feral verge]

use the second heavy attack (the stab)

you need maniac damage perk

[plush fossil]

I don’t see how this is a hot take without wildfire since there is no fire

But also true

[feral verge]

and maybe 2 warp cjarges

[feral verge]

nope

lights have 2 cleave

heavies have 6

with lights yo uare only hitting 2

with heavies you are hitting 6

[late yew]

ah, that

[late yew]

except only like first 3 enemies get any damage

after that damage becomes too low to matter

whiel lights like 3 times faster

[feral verge]

damage starts getting way higher on the cleave when you've got slaughterer and unstable power running

[late yew]

So i am thinking may be replace unyielding perk to maniac?

[feral verge]

that's how oyu start killing 20 enemies in a swing

[formal flume]

Even then, you’re still applying some stagger to the 4+ enemies in that swing

[feral verge]

with slaughterer + unstable power + infested/unarmored damage

[formal flume]

Makes it a lot better for horse clearing instead of just spamming lights

[plush fossil]

On top of warp charges and maybe force unleashed no?

[feral verge]

think so

but im not sure, i've never tested the break points tbh

because i always play far above them

i always have 5-6 warp charges, at high peril with warp unleashed + unstable power damage

[late yew]

horse clearing

[formal flume]

Lol

Fuckin autocorrect

[plush fossil]

In b4 we get a new mob… the Nurgle pox horse

[formal flume]

Sounds like how I run my psyker.

[faint vault]

have four warp charges and 80 percent peril, 25 percent damage to mutants, l1 when it charges, h2 to the face.

[late yew]

So peril reistance works really well with flurry right?

[feral verge]

by default flurry reduces cast cost

it doesnt necessarily need peril resistance to be effective

but the higher the warp resist on a staff + warp flurry, the better yeah

[formal flume]

Alright before I go, what’s the best set up for Illisi?

[late yew]

I mean the feat

[formal flume]

If I went all damage with it, anyways

[feral verge]

inner tranq?

inner tranq is only worth considering with trauma

[late yew]

Why not void and purg?

[feral verge]

any other staff, i would pick warp unleashed every single time

[feral verge]

void with transfer peril doesnt need inner tranq

and purga isnt expensive at all

[faint vault]

Depends on what you're aiming for. I like slaughterer and unstable, +maniacs and flak. Everything as high as I can get it, with mobility being the dump stat.

[feral verge]

this

just replace stamina with infested or unarmored

for insane horde clear

for even more insane horde clear***

[plush fossil]

The bread and butter is Slaughterer, everything else is just fat icing on the cake

[faint vault]

Don't really need it for unarmored. Slaughterer just kills everything.

[formal flume]

There we go, that’s what I was looking for

[feral verge]

you dont need infested neither

but the idea is to kill 20 of them in a swing

[faint vault]

Nope

[feral verge]

when in a horde

you can start doing that with +infested and unarmored

idc for flak because you can just 1 shot them anyway with the special charge

flak isnt bad, it;s good

[faint vault]

Does it add more targets? I thought only power affected cleave like that.

[feral verge]

i'd just rather delete the horde

it does not add more targets, but it adds more damage to the cleave

[olive ember]

I delete horde without unarmored tho

[faint vault]

That's true

[olive ember]

Just slaughterer

[feral verge]

so instead of killing a few poxwalkers and hurting a few

you kill all of the poxwalkers

[olive ember]

Nah

Flak is better

Slicing up shooters

[faint vault]

Not the mention ragers etc.

[graceful aurora]

I don't get how you spend this much time in melee. I'm usually on my staff for the whole run

[faint vault]

Cause the sword is FUN 😛

[olive ember]

Cuz he wants to play like that

[feral verge]

melee is really really storong now

[olive ember]

He’s a melee focused psyker build

[graceful aurora]

I am learning.

[feral verge]

i spend 90% of the time on melee with surge, and 70% of the time in melee with purga

[faint vault]

Do you run toughness on warp kill?

[feral verge]

quietitude

[graceful aurora]

So, light on fire/stun then slice?

[faint vault]

Just rub your sword for toughness while in melee?

[feral verge]

for surge, i only save it for groups of specials/elites, or sometimes shooters behind cover. i use melee exclusively for hordes

sometiems i'll use surge for a quick stun if i feel fancy

purga i play similarly

except when there are hordes, i swap to purga

and at the peak of the horde, i use ascendant blaze and swap to deimos

because DOTs will proc slaughterer, and start doing massive damage

and the DOTs benefit from unstable power too (whilst sword is equipped)

[olive ember]

So much work

Honestly

I just take my force sword

And slice people

Job done

[feral verge]

yes, i am constanly rubbing the sword to keep peril at 100%. i try to never go below 60%, unless i really need the toughness form quietitude

[faint vault]

I hide behind a pillar, press x to calm myself while looking at my beautiful laspistol.

[plush fossil]

Whenever I play zealot and I see a decked out melee psyker,I accept that I am not needed except to murder monstrosities.

[feral verge]

my purga build

my surge build

i run 2hp curios + stam curio

[faint vault]

This is my precious.

Too bad about melee damage, but that's what I got.

[feral verge]

218 hp in total. i've got 20% gunner and sniper resist, and 24% sprint eff. and 10% stam regen for perks

[faint vault]

Sweet

[edgy kite]

Could be a higher base level, but this is what I'm looking for with a purgatus ideally, right?

[feral verge]

you want burn to be 76% or higher so yes, but

you want cloud radius to be as high as possible

so that cloud could be better

[olive ember]

That cloud radius is oof

Not the worst tho

[edgy kite]

Alright cheers 🙂

[feral verge]

for my surge build, i run quicken for spamming ult

for toughness (with quietitude)

if my toughness is getting low i'll ult

then 7 seconds later i can ult again, if im sitll in danger

[olive ember]

Stop

Quicken

[ornate hamlet]

What has become of the "fuck it we ballin" moment

[olive ember]

You disgust me

[faint vault]

Nice, been playing with quicken too. It kinda rocks. Do you run communion and battery?

[ornate hamlet]

I have an incomplete list of blessings, but since I get to keep maniac and dumdum, I can change out of the kritz anytime I want

[feral verge]

i have yeah, it's comfy

i always run battery

[faint vault]

Yeah, it's pretty nice

[feral verge]

i am trying cerebral lacerations for 2 shotting reapers with bb

[faint vault]

I like it when I'm not pugging.

[feral verge]

i always pug

[olive ember]

Quicken enjoyers

Disgusting

[faint vault]

It's just sweet for melee focused builds.

[plush fossil]

Quicken is the one with warp charges dictating cooldown right?

[faint vault]

Yup

[plush fossil]

So does the extra charge granted whenever one gains a charge contribute to extra toughness regen with that one tier one psyker feat (I forget the name) or does it act as one charge for refilling toughness?

[olive ember]

??

[faint vault]

It works with quietude, the lvl one feat, to dump peril and grant toughness, yes.

[leaden thunder]

unfortunately (as far as I am aware) that talent doesn't stack so it wouldn't matter if it counted as one or two

[olive ember]

Whenever you gain a charge or refresh it the buff activated which refills 30% toughness over 10s

The problem is that the buff doesn’t stack (like vet does) so you are always going to only have one buff active

Which means if you gain two charges at the same time you only get toughness regen of 30

[faint vault]

It's pretty shitty. But works surprisingly well with gunker - in lack of better options.

[olive ember]

I mean even gunker just runs Quietitude nowadays

Or even warp absorption

[faint vault]

I like EH.

[olive ember]

Mostly cuz most gunkers run illisi now

So if they need regen just stroke and quell

[feral verge]

quicken + quietitude provides an instant 25% toughness

[faint vault]

It's the stroking that gets me. With a gun, it just feels wrong.

Stroke and then shoot. Nope.

[feral verge]

then 7 seconds later (with 6 warp chjarges) you can get another 25% toughness

[olive ember]

Imagine needing 25% toughness every 7 seconds

And if you rly need that then just use warp absorption

It’s like

80% toughness per swing of the illisi

[feral verge]

i dont need it

it happens rarely every game

once or twice a game

[copper torrent]

please remove the hidden camera in my room

[twilit flicker]

Just use the revolver or laspistol to regen toughness no feats required!

[faint vault]

You gunker well, Pyrrus.

[obtuse moth]

or you could just take kinetic barrage with psykinetic's aura and burst 5-6 elites in the same time

[feral verge]

yeah, not banking on that

when there's a horde and BB targets random poxies

[faint vault]

But I play with barrage 90 percent of the time. It's fun to mix it up!

[feral verge]

and other teammates killing the elites before it can proc

[feral verge]

rip

blazing spirit is meh, precog is one of the worst blessings in the game

but the perks are really good

[vernal arrow]

Yeah that's a damn shame

[long wharf]

get bloodthirsty on there

[late yew]

why infested good?

Is surge bad?

[ornate hamlet]

teh doog

but can be replaced since it has maniac

[feral verge]

infested lets you kill around 20 poxwalkers per swing

if you have slaughterer and unstable power

[leaden thunder]

that's a demios

not illisi

[feral verge]

oo yee

[late yew]

So what do i want on trauma? Warp flurry and?

I wanted to try blazing spirit

[feral verge]

rending shockwave

blazing spirit is a meme

[late yew]

also how good is this?

oh

Damn 😄

SO why rending shockwave?

what is its purpose?

Also, which perks should i take for this staff

[leaden thunder]

basically your other options aren't great

[late yew]

even crit?

[leaden thunder]

warp nexus; trauam doesn't have very good crit multi, blazing spirit; unless you also have warp nexus it's not reliable enough to use, uninterruptible; actually good but doesn't offer offense, surge; doesn't work on the explosion so not worth it, terrifying barrage; lol, lmao even

[late yew]

So what about perks?

[feral verge]

flak, infested, unarmored

[late yew]

but damn i love Deimos

feels soo good to use

[elfin geode]

What's are we feeling these days for feats?

[leaden thunder]

quietude is very very good

as is warp unleashed

thats about all that's different with psyker talents

[elfin geode]

What about last talent?

Quicken still tops?

[leaden thunder]

it never was last I checked, it was the worst for a long time

but it's again usable now

[elfin geode]

Oh uh

[feral verge]

i dont think quicken was ever top

[elfin geode]

kinetic barrage then?

[feral verge]

kinetic barrage for most builds

[leaden thunder]

kinetic barrage for general usage ascendant blaze for purge or other fire stuff

[feral verge]

unless you are running purga staff, then you run ascendant blaze + warp battery

[elfin geode]

TY

Not sure where I got the idea that quicken was meta previously

Oh well 🙂

[feral verge]

depends on the last time oyu played

[elfin geode]

Beta psyker

[feral verge]

yeah

shit was crazy back then

people were trying to say shieldgryn was the meta

[elfin geode]

Never made it to max level either lmao I was just stoned looking at them and thinking about it IG

[feral verge]

now it's become clear to most that shield is one of, if not the worst weapons in the game

[elfin geode]

Literally only useful for DH

Which is better handled by hammer zealots

[feral verge]

advice: if you want to win rounds in the higher difficulties, if you see a shieldgryn in the lobby with you, leave

[elfin geode]

I just got done carrying a shieldgryn through malice hi intensity

[feral verge]

the shield is weak af, but not only that, you can infer that the person using it is going to be bad/mediocre at the game

[elfin geode]

Can't even imagine at damn

Uh OK last question about feats

I've got

3-1-2-3-1-3

[feral verge]

nah, ask as many questions as you please

[elfin geode]

Seem about standard?

[feral verge]

nope

seems like you're using mind in motion

mind is motion is the worst feat in the psyker's kit imo

especially now, with quelling peril being so fast

it's a measely little quality of life feat

whereas the other two in that column are major game changers in terms of survivability

[elfin geode]

I do not like the idea of 1

[feral verge]

mind in motion (mim) is a meme, and no one should run it

[elfin geode]

Kinetic Deflection

[feral verge]

kinetic deflection is really nice for getting clutch revives

[elfin geode]

That's how psyker block used to work, right?

[spice veldt]

on lower difficulties, I think MiM is fine

[elfin geode]

Yeah but I just hit max and am gonna start pushing up difficulty so

Don't wanna be a hindrance

[spice veldt]

Kinetic Deflection covers Psyker's low base stamina; Kinetic Shield is basically another toughness curio

[feral verge]

btw, unstable power is a really good blessing for force swords. the 2nd best, behind slaughterer

[elfin geode]

I picked MiM cause the other 2 didn't seem that necessary

1 seemed like an active avoid to me

[spice veldt]

Kinetic Deflection is considered useful for reviving inside a horde if you don't have a space clearer like the Trauma staff

[elfin geode]

I'll take 2 tho

[feral verge]

the tool tip for unstable power is fucked. it makes it seem like oyu are gaining only 5% power

no, instead it stacks 4x

[copper torrent]

no no. it's 1%

[feral verge]

for 20% more power at high peril (80%)

[feral verge]

ok matt

[copper torrent]

lol

stop gaslighting me

[feral verge]

gaslight yourself into being a better player

[copper torrent]

Haha

[elfin geode]

Are staves more or less even?

[feral verge]

kinda, yeah

surge staff feels the weakest

but it's not bad

if you pick surge staff, you need to commit to melee

[spice veldt]

I'd personally rate purg and trauma over void and surge

[elfin geode]

Surge staff does seem weak, but CC is strong I guess

See a lot of people using em

[leaden thunder]

surge is very good in hi 5 shock iirc

[feral verge]

surge staff should only be used for elites/specials and sometimes shooters behind cover

never ever use surge staff for hordes and shit

too many noobs fall into that trap

[elfin geode]

I like voidstrike the best but it's not useful all the time

[spice veldt]

i'm mostly worried about specialists being inside hordes, where the surge's targeting will fail

[elfin geode]

Long hallway is OP tho

[feral verge]

with surge staff, you should have your melee out roughly 80% of the time

with all staves, you can have melee out more, or less on preference

[elfin geode]

Yeah I'm kinda feeling out this kinda

Skirmishy playstyle

[feral verge]

but for surge, you 100% need to have melee out most of the time

to actually be effective

[elfin geode]

Fast horde handler weapon

[feral verge]

illisi

[elfin geode]

That's my shit

[feral verge]

illisi force sword is amazing hordeclear

[elfin geode]

I do like claw too tbh

With the right blessings is p fun

But illisi more fun

[feral verge]

claw is seen as one of the worst weapons in the game

illisi is miles, miles better than claw

no reason to use claw on psyker when illisi exists

[elfin geode]

Yeah that makes sense to me

[feral verge]

unless you are in lower difficulty and just like the claw that mutch

but i would never bring claw into damnation

[elfin geode]

Meh it's fine if you have the right blessings

[feral verge]

deimos force sword is really good too

[elfin geode]

But agree that illisi >

[feral verge]

deimos can 1 shot charging muties in the head

[elfin geode]

Just depends on what RNG gives me first

[feral verge]

with no special charge up attack

you can sit in the mutie's path, let it come to youi

stab it

and it's dead

no dodging required

[elfin geode]

Deimos is a thrust weapon?

[feral verge]

like an ogryn with a grenade box

yeah it's the stabby force sword

[elfin geode]

Word

[feral verge]

obscurus is the OG forcesword

it is not bad

but

illisi and deimos are just better

[elfin geode]

Illisi > horde

Deimos > single target

[feral verge]

yes, however

illisi is still decent as single targetr

[elfin geode]

No kidding

[feral verge]

and deimos is sitll decent at horde

[elfin geode]

I'll stick with illisi I'm sure

[feral verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlUkBoKxY10

video showcasing mutie 1 poke

by @near wyvern

the guy behind the big psyker guide, aka the atheneum

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[elfin geode]

Ah yeah, that's what I needed

TY

[feral verge]

this is what a good illisi looks like

+stam is good, but ideally you'd want infested/unarmored/flak instead

[spice veldt]

or maniac

[feral verge]

i like infested/unarmored because that means killing more of those types in a single special swing

[feral verge]

yes, i was gonna add that i always pick maniac

warp resistance is actually really good to have low

[spice veldt]

with slaught + unstable + warp unleashed, you can usually hit the one-shot bodyshot breakpoint on groaners, so you can usually forgo +unarmoured as a choice if you happen to have those blessings/feats

[feral verge]

it lets you attain high peril quickly, which is great for more damage from warp unleashed + unstable power

and for toughness from quietitude

aswell as toughness dmg reduction from kinetic shield (which protects you from ALL damage types, not just ranged atm)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UyAv2rMiM

[spice veldt]

as a weapon you're not using much (e.g., staff focus, gun build), low warp res on the illisi is nice

[feral verge]

this is what 41% peril resistance looks like

if otherwise unclear, a high peril build is very strong and very viable

[late yew]

I don't get trauma

seems so much worse than void in 90% of situations

[spice veldt]

i guess fatshark thought that the range of void and better aiming was a significant advantage over trauma

[copper torrent]

If it doesn't clear it flings enemies all over the place, making it harder for people to clean up. .. ime.

[spice veldt]

though one can always simply not use it for hordeclear

which is what I do, though it being relegated as the anti-mixed horde or anti-shooter weapon still makes it very strong

[copper torrent]

Ah, I should be clear. I don't use trauma. Just when someone in my party brings it, that seems to be what happens.

[spice veldt]

true; I also get annoyed when other trauma users blow enemies up that I'm currently meleeing

same with rumbler ogryns

[late yew]

Void is better at anti-shooting, otherwise just take surge

[spice veldt]

I like the trauma because of the stagger

at 80% blast radius, that's a 16 diameter circle of stagger

where shooters will have their volleys interrupted

that's space for me and my teammates to run in and melee

[copper torrent]

I need to watch a good player use void. Charging or even abusing animation canceling, I can't kill shooters with the thing.

[late yew]

Just aim for heads

[spice veldt]

I also dislike the somewhat longer charge time, though the voidstrike also deals more base damage

[late yew]

projectile is big enough

[late yew]

assuming they are close enough for your trauma to ev en reach them

[spice veldt]

most maps are pretty cqc yeah

even on long corridors, ranged enemies have damage falloff, so it's no biggie to just hold W most of the time

and there's an abundance of cover

I don't find the range of trauma a problem on most maps

[copper torrent]

"Oh just be GOOD. Thanks I'm cured."

[spice veldt]

not that headshots matter too much; it's a bit deceptive

[obtuse moth]

its really worth taking your time, charging, and making sure you hit a head or not shooting because you'll just stumble them in a way that makes it impossible to follow up otherwise

[spice veldt]

since the bonus weakspot damage is about a 100 or something along that scale