psyker-class

[feral verge]

but swap exorcist with slaughterer

[low parrot]

Probably brain burst spam

[feral verge]

you want low warp resist

[ember sentinel]

just get good rolls on everything + low warp resist

[lunar hollow]

i was thinking that with cerebral lacerations

[heady swan]

5% power doesn't seem like a lot, what about deflector?

[feral verge]

it stacks 4x

[low parrot]

Its 5% per stack

[ember sentinel]

preference

[lunar hollow]

cuz i think it hits the 2 BB crusher breakpoint

[low parrot]

Just a shit tooltip as usual

[feral verge]

t4 unstable power is 20% more power

[heady swan]

oh shit.

[ember sentinel]

but unstable + slaughterer very good

[feral verge]

at 80% peril or higher

[ember sentinel]

esp if you run warp unleashed

id put unstable over deflector just need to get a good unstable

that isnt on something i use

[feral verge]

deflector is a neat utility

but i wouldnt consider it godroll

[ember sentinel]

yeah thats fair

its good till you get slaughter/unstable

[feral verge]

with all the power/dmg feats/blessings stacked you get 70% more damage

thats unstable power, warp unleashed and 6 warp charges from warp battery

[ember sentinel]

i def saw the light on warp battery a little bit ago

[feral verge]

it might be even more than 70%, because apparently dmg boosts and power boosts are multiplicative with eachother or something

Pygex would know the specifics, i think

[ember sentinel]

i used to run brainburst on hit because i thought it would be hard to keep 6 warp charges up but now that its only one at a time its not bad at all

[hollow steeple]

I am actually finding the blessing that provides Rending on headshots is actually really good on Illisi

[feral verge]

its only good for crushers and maulers

but crushers and maulers die to 2 specials anyway

[hollow steeple]

seems to help on helmeted shooters

[feral verge]

safer to BB them anyway

it doesnt

helmeted shooters are 2 lights at low peril

[ember sentinel]

helmeted shooters die to one heavy attack anyway i think

[feral verge]

at high peril its 1 shot light

[hollow steeple]

mmm, maybe I'm just experience confirmation bias
not a big deal, I'm still trying for a better illisi anyway
but my current one is pretty good

[feral verge]

special charge up is so fast anyway

[ember sentinel]

i could see it having clutch potential but as mankar said BB esp with 6 warp charges is very good

[feral verge]

so you can 1 shot them with that

[ember sentinel]

even on crushers

[feral verge]

2 BBs and crusher is dead

[ember sentinel]

and if you run the faster BB its easier to get them off in tight spots

[feral verge]

with my build

[ember sentinel]

yeah i think im the same

with 6 charges

[spice veldt]

illisi heavies do 100% against everything except carapace qnyways

well, force sword heavies in general

unless you're light-spamming with the illisi

[ember sentinel]

do dueling swords have any special quality now? i liked them for there mobility and circle strafing hordes but now that we have good force swords i can just infinitely dodge slide/push hordes and also kill them quicker

[spice veldt]

god gave you a true horizontal as the 1st heavy and you better use it

[ember sentinel]

and demios has the better elite killing

[feral verge]

Deimos pretty much completely eclipses duelies

[spice veldt]

duelling swords have a better block cost

but that's it

[ember sentinel]

oh boy

for all the blocking im doing instead of just pushing lol

poor dueling swords

ive seen one being used in the last month now

dont blame them though new force swords are fun and good

[steel flame]

Better mobility, better blessings, better damage, better horde clear. Poor dueling swords just can't stack up to diemos

[edgy lotus]

worth it to extract blazing spirit?

[feral verge]

nope

blazing spirit is a meme

because everything dies before it can activate

[edgy lotus]

I see. What are good blessings for Illisi?

[feral verge]

unstable power and slaughterer

you want low warp resist

the lower the better

[edgy lotus]

kk thanks

[feral verge]

makes it easier to maintain high peril

unstable pwoer stacks 4x

it doesnt say so in the tool tip

unstable power t4 is 20% more power

[wet jacinth]

Just use a common 380

[north solstice]

just checking, if i have deflector on my sword will my revives get protected by it?

[feral verge]

nope

it used to be like that, back when the game came out

patched out

[north solstice]

what the fuck

man

[fierce sinew]

no fun allowed

[north solstice]

:(

they do that and still nerf my purg staff

[spice veldt]

purg is still fine, but the soulblaze feats were the ones that were hit hard

[worn bolt]

so how does deimos compare to illi? I assume its got okay horde clear but better single target?

[near wyvern]

like I said, need more power

[ruby plover]

yes

and most importantly it has better dodge distance

[worn bolt]

neato, thanks gamer

[fringe garden]

It's biggest downside is that it doesn't control the horde as well as Ilisi

[worn bolt]

thats a given I'd figure, illi can delete hordes

[ornate hamlet]

If you get this, you could replace Riposte with Bloodthirsty (100% Crit Chance on Special) for the Blazing Spirit Meme build.

Otherwise, just get any Illisi and put Slaughterer on it. Second Blessing doesn't matter.

[edgy lotus]

In what way is it considered a meme? That it's bad?

[leaden thunder]

yes

[feral verge]

yes its bad

becaus everything dies before it can be set on fire

thus making blazing spirit p much useless

[leaden thunder]

like in theory it's a really interesting build

but it's not very good in practice

at least compared to sluaghterer

[ornate hamlet]

It's a meme in the way that Slaughterer is really really good; what is better? Killing everything around you instantly with your Slaughterer sword? Or setting everything around you on fire?

[viral solstice]

but its cool tho

so thats important

[ornate hamlet]

It's definitely fun to set them on fire. But it's just not as effective as instant death

[ruby plover]

slaughter numbers sure do seem fine yup

[wet jacinth]

Just purgatus/AB if you wanna set things ablaze.

[copper raft]

fuckin love deimos

[ruby plover]

nah

i will play zealot with kantrael shotty instead

[feral verge]

yee. the deimos is down right sexual

[copper raft]

mankar and flip in the psyker chat? damn this chat's finally getting sick

(in a good way)

[ruby plover]

😳

i love psyker now

[feral verge]

im always in psyker chat

[ruby plover]

goodbye zealot forever

[feral verge]

im a psyker main

[ruby plover]

anyways can purgatus do THIS?

[feral verge]

its zealot chat i frequent less

[copper raft]

can i ask what made the flip happen? (no pun intended)

[ruby plover]

||i joke i save peeople from dogs through walls all the time on psyker||

illisi mostly

but also i lied i still play zealot

[feral verge]

im 3 missions away form 100 missions on zealot

i have uhh

atleast 350 on psyker

[ruby plover]

same except reverse

also i have a bit more than 100 on psyker i think

actually might be considerably more i forgor

[copper raft]

huh, didnt know there were mortis operative skins for both of the new force swords

[feral verge]

i left

[copper raft]

that's pretty rude man

[feral verge]

i am trying to save them

my hope is that they will be like

huh? whats wrong with shield

then they'll look into it

and be like oh

maybe i shouldnt run this in damnation

[static pine]

what if shield is fun

[winter magnet]

toxic shitter

let them have fun

[feral verge]

at the expense of the team?

stay in heresy if you want to have true fun

[winter magnet]

you dont even know you left

he could have done fine

[static pine]

Bro I'm pretty doggers at the game and I can win with of fmeta weapons, what if he's good lmao

on 5

[feral verge]

rare

[winter magnet]

then let him do what he wants

if youre so good then play around them

im done talking im loading in to a mission

[feral verge]

i say stay in heresy with shieldgryn

[static pine]

stay in private games with ur attitude

[winter magnet]

^

[static pine]

😦

[clear heath]

I'm fine with people picking meme weapons on damn

just accept the challenge

[spice veldt]

ain't no solo privates in this game yet

[copper raft]

which staffs are good now

does it even matter

[spice veldt]

all of them are pretty good

[copper raft]

that's good to hear

[spice veldt]

surge is basically an enabler for your melee, trauma is like surge but has hordeclear but can cause chaos

[leaden thunder]

void is like a railgun(but doesn't do the best vs armor)

[ember sentinel]

how important is collateral on the auto pistol

[copper raft]

neato bambito

[leaden thunder]

decently

[copper raft]

so it's no longer

[ember sentinel]

havent used it before but got a really good roll in the shop but collateral is only like 50

[leaden thunder]

higher is better but I wouldn't say no to 50 collat

[copper raft]

the boring "purg n axe" as op combo and now has more variety i hope

[ember sentinel]

everything else is is high 70

[feral verge]

every staff is good but surge definitely feels the weakest

if oyu use surge, make sure you melee most of the time

many ppl make the mistake of using it in hordes fruitlessly

save it for elites/specials only

[copper raft]

cool cool

[spice veldt]

purg is strong but they gave us the illisi, so it doesn't really matter what ranged you pick

I've straight up only used the illisi and BB for 80% of a map, brought out trauma when there was a group of spread-out shooters, and then went back to melee

[weak galleon]

bring me up to speed - did they nerf shield during last few months?
I recall shieldgryns having pretty good survivability on damnation in dec-january.

[feral verge]

shield does no damage

thats the problem

and maybe players thing they are helping with jsut having the shield up

but it isnt doing anything

[copper raft]

@spice veldt for blessings slaughterer i imagine is a must have, is there another that i should keep an eye out other than deflector?

[weak galleon]

that absolutely wasnt a problem as long as it wasn't a team of shieldgryns.

[clear heath]

shield is the same as its always been

[feral verge]

it doesnt even attract fire that well

[feral verge]

go in ogryn chat and ask about shield

[spice veldt]

unstable power if you want to eek out a little more damage

[weak galleon]

i see, ok, ty.

[feral verge]

no one likes it

[weak galleon]

im not going b to ogryn any time soon.

[copper raft]

nice i will keep that in mind

[spice veldt]

on the Deimos, you could make a case for Uncanny Strike and Executor
on the Illisi, you could make a case for Bloodthirsty

[ruby plover]

pretty

oh

i didnt scroll

excellent

[clear heath]

it wasn't a problem because people can win with 1 useless teammate anyways
It was never really that helpful

why use the ogryn when you have actual walls on the map?

[ruby plover]

the walls arent as cute uwu

[spice veldt]

nah, walls are cuter than ogryns

[ruby plover]

[spice veldt]

begone, wrong opinion-haver

[copper raft]

is kinetic deflector still the holy crutch

i remember they "fixed" it awhile ago

[clear heath]

our quell speeds are much faster now

[copper raft]

kinetic deflection* i mean

[spice veldt]

still a great option

because while blocking a hit stops your passive quell, you no longer get guardbroken at 0 stamina as long as you have the peril to take the hit

[steel flame]

I mean our bones are made of glass so kinetic deflection is kinda a necessary evil

[spice veldt]

so it's a buff to basically every melee weapon except Deflector force swords

[untold haven]

Yo sibblings does warp absorption proc off lightning/flame spam deaths?

Or explicit head pop

[spice veldt]

warp absorption will proc off soulblaze kills

and it should also work on surge unless there's some spaghetti going on

[untold haven]

Word thx

[copper raft]

how's wrack & ruin, wildfire and ascendant blaze these days?

[feral verge]

it's a must pick

unless

you are running a high peril build

staying at 80% constantly

then kinetic shield is worth considering

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't say it's a must pick, but it is either that or a stamina curio

[feral verge]

ascendant blaze is amazing with purga staff

wrack and ruin and wildfire are thoroughly meh

especially now with the flak dmg nerf with fire/DOTs

quietitude and warp unleashed are meta

[copper raft]

nice i've always used quietitude since the start

psychic communion or...cerebral lacerations?

[feral verge]

what staff are you running

[copper raft]

undecided

which one synergizes best with which i guess would be a better question

[late yew]

oh do shut up

damage nerfed from 200% to 100%

it is just normal now

[feral verge]

well. if it helps any, here is my high peril purga build @copper raft

[feral verge]

dont make assumptions lol

i never said soulblaze was worthless or pointless

[late yew]

why not deflector?

[feral verge]

as you can see, i still use my purga build

[late yew]

sorry, really sick of people overblowing those nerfs

[late yew]

hmmm, why exorcist on illi?

[lunar hollow]

just did my first game with illisi/autopistol

holy shit

[late yew]

^lame

[feral verge]

insane toughness regen with quietitude

[late yew]

Ah

i see

buuut

[lunar hollow]

it took thousands of plasteel for this ive fuckin earned it

[late yew]

You could just as well take that talent to replenish toughness on warp kills?

[lunar hollow]

the game also had its retribution

[feral verge]

quietitude is too good

[late yew]

it is just a lame build, no matter how much you spent

also recon way more fun to use than autopistol

[lunar hollow]

recon is fuckin trash though

[fresh reef]

why do I even bother upgrading anymore bruh

[copper raft]

thanks @feral verge it'll help inspire me a little bit

[spice veldt]

fun, sure, but absolute shit

not that it matters if you're running the illisi as your melee I suppose

[ionic frost]

@fresh reef that's a low base rating...

[lunar hollow]

i got stuck in a corner with 2 bulwarks and a horde

which was funny

ive never actually had peril blocking get me from 0 to max before then

[fresh reef]

and?

[ionic frost]

not worth the plasteel

[copper raft]

@feral verge what makes me sad is i have so little good blessings and crafting components that it looks like i'm going to have to hit the grind

oh well

not a big deal

[late yew]

how 380 is low lmao

[ruby plover]

bruh

[feral verge]

you should get t3 blessings and workable grey items worth upgrading fairly quickly

[ionic frost]

that's 323 not 380

[feral verge]

what takes fucking forever is building perfect/near perfect shit

it took me over 50k plasteel and over a month's time to get unstable power 4

i just got it today, finally

[ruby plover]

damn

[copper raft]

nice lol

[ruby plover]

the end of an era

[late yew]

literal sight issue

[copper raft]

2 months later

your favorite blessings get nerfed

[ruby plover]

i got unstable 3/slaughterer 3 on an illi with pinning 3/blaze away on an autopistol and called it a day

good enuff baby

[spice veldt]

low base rating

[cold geode]

skissue

[ruby plover]

now im crafting zealot shit

[late yew]

fuck

ok

you got me

[copper raft]

here's another

[spice veldt]

I can't tell if you're trying to pull a Darcy/Derpy or not

[late yew]

i did not even see that spot showing base power before

So 350+ worth upgrading and 370 worth making main weapon?

[feral verge]

i had this attitude. until the update dropped, and my staff was already pretty much perfect, and my swords were near perfect. so i got annoyed that my swords werent perfect. i spent 20k of my plasteel i had saved up to get unstable power 4, but didnt get it. then i just took it as a challenge to get unstable power 4 at any cost lmao

[spice veldt]

pretty much

[feral verge]

and the funniest thing is it's only a 4% power increase over t3

i am just really stubborn

[ruby plover]

unstable power nerf inbound

slaughterer and pinning fire will of course remain untouched

[spice veldt]

since that number by your modifier shows the sum of your five stats

[feral verge]

noob moment

[feral verge]

check out this almost godroll 300 base item rating

base item rating isn't important, in and of itself. the base rating doesnt seem affect damage, or stagger

[late yew]

so what is important?

[feral verge]

it's okay to upgrade and use a low base level item if all the stats are in the right place

[late yew]

i see

[spice veldt]

depends on the weapon though

[late yew]

I on a quest of getting good thunder hammer

[spice veldt]

and you are sacrificing the ability to spam the illisi special on melee elites

[late yew]

and on psyker, i am trying to get good void stuff

[feral verge]

yep, it very much depends on the weapon

if every stat is important to you, then you want a high base rating

[spice veldt]

maybe pre-patch when the obscurus didn't have the DPS to annihilate enemies and I relied on the trauma staff to kill ranged enemies

[late yew]

My current illisi has higher warp resistance than old on e, and it is so annoying, i can't get lots of peril as quickly anymore

[spice veldt]

and just used the obscurus as my quietude stick

[lunar hollow]

i did find without a staff and high warp res illisi its hard to get peril high

[feral verge]

yeah it's a proper pain in the ass

[lunar hollow]

doesnt help i was running cerebral laceration

so i couldnt get warp charges from reg kills or allies

[naive junco]

the base rating is just a total of all the % added up. typically a 350 is good to be good high rolls on 4 with 1 trash.

[cold geode]

this gets me above 80 peril in 4 strokes

[feral verge]

at 41% it takes 3 strokes

😳

[cold geode]

sadly this is the best one ive found currently

once i have it above 80 keeping it there is pretty easy

[feral verge]

that looks like my first illisi

[lunar hollow]

is 25% unarmored worth anything on illisi

[spice veldt]

if you hate groaners, dreg enemies, or snipers

[feral verge]

it will let you kill more unarmored enemies (groaners) in a cleave

same thing with infested

[lunar hollow]

this is what ive got on it

cant decide what to reroll

[low parrot]

Everyones Illi better than mine

[feral verge]

i like infested on mine

i have it locked

idk the breakpoints, but it lets me 1 shot dogs

i dont feel flak is that important on illisi

because

[spice veldt]

i need to heavy-special to one-shot dogs

[feral verge]

atleast for me

i charge up special on flak enemies

whether its shooter or gunner

and they die in 1 hit

[lunar hollow]

true

[feral verge]

anyway

[spice veldt]

there are maulers and scab ragers

who are enemies that I particularly wish for them to die

[feral verge]

i 1 shot scab ragers i think

[lunar hollow]

personally i deal with flak ragers in ways that arent walking straight into the danger zone

[feral verge]

i do not 1 shot maulers

[low parrot]

How are you supposed to do 90% of a monstrosities health...

[feral verge]

with a premade team

[long wharf]

stupid armory

[low parrot]

Annoying

[spice veldt]

I like to hold W into groups of melee elites

[feral verge]

who wont fire on the boss and just tank it/kite it for you

[gray kelp]

perks/blessings for trauma?

[feral verge]

i recognize oyur name

i think we just played a game together, today

[gray kelp]

possibly

I was running fs/purg

[gray kelp]

de-rusting atm

[feral verge]

look familiar?

[feral verge]

you want rending shockwave and warp flurry for blessings

for perks you want flak and maybe unarmored/infested

[lunar hollow]

the autopistol/illisi combo do be fuckin though

i also got a lot of BB kills from kinetic barrage or w/e its called

[gray kelp]

gotcha, thank you. I picked up a few good trauma bases for whenever trauma became a non-meme option

[fresh reef]

picked up surge to pair it with Absorption illisi
kinda neat

[hollow spindle]

Oh yeah, finally got a proper 2nd blessing for my sword. Not bad for the first day of being lv30 on psyker.

Still gotta swap the perk I guess but I have no plasteel

[smoky orbit]

is this a good one? Should I buy it?

[ruby plover]

the random bbs are so stonks

also

everything else

[lunar hollow]

just dont look at my ammo consumption we had 1 psyker and 2 flamer zealots

[gray kelp]

i wish my gearing luck with psyker wasnt horrible, I have like one semi-good item after 300 hours of play on psyker

[ruby plover]

not a long term option but very good short term

hard to say if its worth or not because its entirely RNG if you get to actually craft a better one

in a reasonable timeframe

[lunar hollow]

its good if you dont have better imo

[smoky orbit]

hm, kay, I'll let it go. If it had IV blessings I would have taken

[lunar hollow]

but collateral needs to be at 80 for the easiest pinning fire stacks generation

blaze away tops out at t3

you can put t4 pinning fire on it

[smoky orbit]

oh...all right, thakyou guys

[lunar hollow]

(it only goes to t3 actually)

(only is t3 fuck)

[ruby plover]

pinning is soooooo free most of the time

[lunar hollow]

its one of those weird hipster blessings that doesnt follow the convention of tiers

[ruby plover]

like yeah 57 aint great but its still going to be active all the time

[low parrot]

Is it possible to turn off the Psyker sound effects

[fierce sinew]

there's a mod for that, I know fatshark added a setting later to address some of that but not sure how much (because I use the mod)

[fresh reef]

There should be a (nonmodded) slider in accessibility settings

It reduces both the screen effects and sound effects

[worn bolt]

dude went down back to back and died in my damnation then complained and blamed it on my trauma staff XD

(oh and he didn't teamplay at all)

[fresh reef]

How dare you use arguably the best staff for Psyker? Smh team sabotager

[low parrot]

Perfect thank you

Straight down to 0 lmao

[worn bolt]

doubled his kills too, he was just huffing copium cause he was using purg and it wasn't instagibbing everything now

[spice veldt]

i don't recommend turning it fully down to 0

[low parrot]

Tired of hearing BWAAAAH when I'm trying to be at 100% peril

[spice veldt]

I have mines at 32%

[fresh reef]

I keep mine around 33% personally. Just enough to notice, not enough to be deafening

[north solstice]

i was always told trauma was booty, i know the alt-fire is great for horde clear what are its other upsides besides stagger?

[leaden thunder]

it used to be pretty bad

[spice veldt]

well, it was fine before the buff for quietude

[fresh reef]

Trauma requires good stat rolls to really excel, but it's kinda good at everything

[spice veldt]

but after the buff, you can actually use the staff instead of a quietude stick

[leaden thunder]

by used to I mean before it's buffs

[spice veldt]

I kno

w

[leaden thunder]

oh

[fresh reef]

Namely cc'ing dangerous elites while clearing hordes

[spice veldt]

I'm referring to the peril buff on the trauma

[fresh reef]

Its only real weakness is stairs

[north solstice]

fumny stairs

[spice veldt]

stairs aren't real

imaginary constructs

[leaden thunder]

and really long range

[worn bolt]

trauma always allow me to delete hordes and stun everything except mutants

MASSIVE cc range

[spice veldt]

mostly the CC is what's important to me

if the trauma dealt 0 damage, I'd still run it

[fresh reef]

Personal staff tier list
Beam
Trauma
Purga
Void
Surge

[worn bolt]

the fact that the cc range is bigger than the actual aoe is just crazy

[worn bolt]

I'd argue shock is 2nd on my tier because its even better cc and now does pretty decent damage to specials but thats jsut my preference

[spice veldt]

surge did get an implicit buff from the existence of the illisi

though in a vacuum, ignoring your melee choice, I'd definitely put it at the bottom

[north solstice]

i just hate how surge feels

[worn bolt]

and with the new way the feats work, it does more damage

[fresh reef]

It is my least favorite entirely because of the targeting limit

[north solstice]

its a great staff with good utility i hate using it

[worn bolt]

thats fair, I Respect that. charge rate is super important on it for that reason

[fresh reef]

Even with 79% roll it still feels pretty bad

Need to roll Flurry on it

[spice veldt]

I think the scaling on the charge is from 2.7 seconds to 1.8

[gray kelp]

btw brunt armory a good source of decent bases or nah?

[supple skiff]

takes a bit of dockets but yes

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah I’m with you. Surge is my favourite by a big margin. Just the most fun for how I like to play. The CC always feels really fun.

[gray kelp]

so far I've gotten a few 350-60's which is very acceptible, idk if i just got lucky though

[fresh reef]

What do you guys think is the easiest staff to carry with?

[spice veldt]

purg

[north solstice]

purg

[gray kelp]

from my personal experience purgatus is easy to get good results with, very flexible in tight spots

[north solstice]

im also biased

since i love the funny fwoosh staff

[viral solstice]

easiest staff is the staff reading this post

[fresh reef]

True, Void is very easy to carry with

[viral solstice]

yea

it really is

bsaically the cooler u are the better void staff is

[shadow wigeon]

Purg is safest bet, just do damage. I still like surge for carrying because you can empower a team by taking away the worst threats.

[gray kelp]

good, keep talking up the staves to keep the gun psyker schizos in the darkness so they can practice their evil magicks away from us

[stray radish]

good blessings combo on deimos?

[ruby plover]

best staff is the glock

[half turtle]

no wonder i can't get it to work for me

[high prism]

how to use lightning staff

you need to start charging while horde is in aoe ?

or my staff is low level so at most i can shock 4 - 5 enemies while i seen some shock the whole mob

[half turtle]

hm if you just want the stun, you don't need to charge at all

[spice veldt]

the surge staff won't really target more than 6-ish enemies

[half turtle]

but it generally does only hit yeah like 5-6 guys

[spice veldt]

it is not a hordeclear weapon like the rest of the staffs

[half turtle]

so it's not great vs hordes

[ember sentinel]

its main utility is stunning elites

[half turtle]

the thing the surge does that nobody else does is it stuns literally anything

crushers, bulwarks, mutants, you name it

it gets stunned

[high prism]

so quick charge

[ember sentinel]

illsi/deimos is better for horde clear

[half turtle]

well not bosses

[ember sentinel]

esp illsi

[high prism]

so keep quick charging

[half turtle]

illisi is like vet PS and i hate it

however it is very good

[ruby plover]

illi is fun :)

[half turtle]

so i actually tried both new force swords and i actually still like obscurus the best

maybe im just weird

i think it's weaker than illisi by a lot though

i just like the patterns better

[ember sentinel]

its def the weakest

but deios/illsi is strong competition

[spice veldt]

i do think the patterns on the obscurus are more interesting

but not better

[high prism]

what about obscurus special ?

my sword seem struck at enemy

[ember sentinel]

its just worse

[primal fjord]

I find myself dying using the Deimos, than the Illisi. Too risky using to control aob.

[ruby plover]

deimos has the same special and doesnt even need it

[stray radish]

good blessings combos on deimos?

[high prism]

like draining energy or some sort

[spice veldt]

the obscurus special simply deals damage

it deals 200% damage to flak enemies and 100% against everything else

[half turtle]

it deals pretty good damage, but i don't use it that much

[ruby plover]

looks cool doe

[half turtle]

basically only against dogs or mutants that i'm man-fighting in the open

[high prism]

any dueling sword play like salty rapier ?

[ember sentinel]

its worse than illsi for sure but with slaughter and dodging/pushing youll go through hordes even with deimos

[high prism]

light for horde heavy for special

[half turtle]

one of them has almost the exact same moveset, i don't remember which though

dueling sword is really fun

[ruby plover]

dueling sword

[high prism]

might be the last one to unlock

cause the first two doesn't have the moveset

[half turtle]

dueling sword special stab also staggers ragers which is nice

[ruby plover]

u know whats fun vs ragers

tac axe spam and random zealot ults

[half turtle]

also i really like the light attack > slide thing even though it doesn't make you move at 50000mph any more

[ruby plover]

[edgy finch]

best blessing for illisi? (assuming no deflector as thats pref)

[half turtle]

oh yeah that's one of the reasons i love taxe so much

[ruby plover]

slaughterer

[ember sentinel]

unstable/slaughterer

[half turtle]

you can just heavy into mixed hordes with ragers

no problem

[ruby plover]

unstable and bloodthirsty both work for second blessing

[half turtle]

stagger everything

[ruby plover]

but just get slaughterer

and ur good

[half turtle]

hmm how good is deflector on FS

i still haven't dropped one

[ember sentinel]

good

[half turtle]

after like 300+ hours

[ruby plover]

really its sooo common now

i have like 9

[half turtle]

well tbf i haven't looked that hard

[spice veldt]

it's fine, but if you know how to dodge-slide, the utility of Deflector is not too useful

[ruby plover]

its okay

yeah

[high prism]

after trying psyker i never hit glowing head enemy again unless it is must kill or die situation

[spice veldt]

as long as your toughness isn't completely peeled, dodge-sliding is good enough

[ruby plover]

there are definitely times where it fucks in a pinch

[gilded magnet]

Well, this is kinda tempting just to see what kind of enemies i can throw around. What do you guys think?

[ember sentinel]

its worse than at least slaughterer but as arco said your so mobile you rarely actually need it

[ruby plover]

but id rather just have more power and get better at my fundamentals

[feral verge]

its not an illisi

illisi is better than devil's claw in every single wayx10

[ruby plover]

illisi is shit at throwing enemies around

[spice veldt]

best crusher CC sword

[feral verge]

unless you just like the claw

[spice veldt]

I think the devil claw should be able to knock crushers down with those blessings?

[gilded magnet]

I kinda dig the claw, might use it as a bonk stick

[spice veldt]

don't count my word for it though

[half turtle]

taxe is probably overall the best elite stagger weapon IMO, taxe heavies stagger maulers/crushers in 2 hits (which is fast enough to interrupt their overhead) and ragers in 1

[gilded magnet]

On a side note, is the duelling sword with shred 4 worth it at all?

[ruby plover]

taxe is slept on man

everyone used to love taxe

[half turtle]

idk why they don't use it

[ruby plover]

now they only want heavy sword and antax

[spice veldt]

duelling swords aren't really worth it as they are

[ember sentinel]

like for a dueling sword or vs the other options

[ruby plover]

taxe goes nuts

[half turtle]

with brutal momentum it still fucks against hordes, as long as you're ok with jiggling your camera around

[gilded magnet]

hmmm

[half turtle]

i actually feel like it does hordes faster than antax

[gilded magnet]

aight

[spice veldt]

I like the mk4 TAxes since they have diagonal lights

[cold geode]

Taxe was used as a part of the crit builds that got nerfed

[spice veldt]

and the TAxe lights don't have a damage cap like their heavies do

[ruby plover]

mk 2 gang

[half turtle]

mk7 you can H1 > L2 > repeat

[cold geode]

thats why its not used

[half turtle]

mk2 you can H1 > H2 > repeat

[ember sentinel]

cause if you mean vs the other options no but its fine as far as dueling swords go

[ruby plover]

mk 2 heavy spam is my zen place

[spice veldt]

the problem with TAxe heavies is that they have a damage target cap

[half turtle]

yeah this is why i like mk7

[spice veldt]

they can only damage 3 targets and will deal 0 damage to the 4th target and beyond

[ruby plover]

yeah but its zen

[half turtle]

the heavy staggers everything, then the light damages everything

[ruby plover]

:)

[ember sentinel]

do you like mk5 axe too

or just the tac ones

[ruby plover]

caxe is whack

[half turtle]

caxe 5 is fine

[ruby plover]

dont at me

[half turtle]

it's strong but i don't love it

[ember sentinel]

i see every zealot use it

when they arent using HS

[ruby plover]

i just use kantrael for big walker hordes now

[half turtle]

i think the taxe 7 is competitive or maybe better in terms of damage/control, but taxe benefits a lot more from being good at movement

[gilded magnet]

ahh its too bad duelling swords arent as viable as some of the other stuff - this feels like it'd be fun as a crit tool

[half turtle]

dueling swords are definitely viable

[ember sentinel]

it will be fun

but if your worried about always keeping up in damnation/needing to carry a team then illsi/deimos will do it better

[half turtle]

i've run HI damnations with dueling sword and im trash at psyker

[gilded magnet]

I tend to alternate between damnation/heresy atm

might be a heresy tool then eh

[ember sentinel]

itll be fine regardless if you know how to melee

[gilded magnet]

im just reluctant at spending all my melk bucks D:

[ember sentinel]

just might be some shitty situations

[half turtle]

dueling sword plays a little bit differently than FS does, you're basically trying to farm headshots with your lights against hordes

and you have good mobility you need to use

you can't just shove into a horde like you can with illisi, if it's thick

[ember sentinel]

yeah DS shove is super garbo

i forgot about that

[spice veldt]

well you can't walk into a horde like you can do with slaughterer force swords, but it has the same push as any other melee

[ember sentinel]

guess thats why it has the mobility

[half turtle]

yeah sorry by "shove into a horde" i mean metaphorically, not literally using the push mechanic

[ember sentinel]

i thought its push was bad? Maybe im thinking of block efficiency

[half turtle]

i think it has mediocre base stamina

[spice veldt]

duelling swords also have a better block cost than force swords

with the MKV in particular having its block cost scaling with its defense stat, dropping to about 0.33 bars to block most attacks

[half turtle]

hm does DS have the thing salty's rapier did where it blocked front light attacks for free

[spice veldt]

the MKV Duelling Sword is the best if you want to tank a daemonhost without moving

[half turtle]

but yeahi think you're mostly fishing for headshots with your lights, and it doesn't kill hordes super fast

but it's pretty safe if you have space to dodge around in

[gilded magnet]

hmm alright, didnt think id be buying 2 melee weapons from melk today for my psyker but screw it haha

[half turtle]

i find with the illisi i can often just put my back to a corner and spam the special heavy, and you definitely can't do that with DS

[wheat olive]

I have the option to get this from Melk. Seems fantastic, thoughts?

Will replace Flak Damage perk for Unarmored Damage perk

[spice veldt]

looks fine if you've got nothing better

[ember sentinel]

yeah thats p good

id keep flak

[wheat olive]

Is Warp Nexus considered a good Blessing on these?

[ember sentinel]

only downside of it is not t4 on everything but thatd be perfect

yeah crit chance is good on those

iirc

[wheat olive]

Awesome ty!

[half turtle]

i think flamer crits double the number of stacks or something?

it's pretty good yeah

[fading apex]

buy or pass?

[feral verge]

hmmm

[feral verge]

i wouldnt

because

its a dueling sword

dueling swords have been almost entirely eclipsed by the new deimos force sword

[fading apex]

the dump stat and blessing seems so ass

[feral verge]

deimos is a better dueling sword

[fading apex]

yeah

just sucks balls seeing a shit 549 rating man

[feral verge]

yee

is crit dmg perk worth considering at all on surge?

i think i know the answer, but

[high prism]

i just get penacne blowing hound head while it pouncing

[spice veldt]

probably not

[high prism]

by accident

[spice veldt]

since the surge doesn't really do that much crit damage

[feral verge]

i have no other staves left to build

so im trying to build a surge ig

ik barrage sucks

i dont have nexus yet

[spice veldt]

smh not even a tier of warp nexus on surge

what am I supposed to call you by then

[feral verge]

d-dont...

[ember sentinel]

surge is also the only one i havent made

[feral verge]

n-not again

[gray kelp]

im getting a weird influx of ogryn players on damnation that do like nothing and take >2k damage every single game

[feral verge]

@near wyvern crit damage perk isnt worth considering on surge right? ik the answer but im just checking

before i overwrite it

[spice veldt]

here's the damage table for an 80% crit bonus surge staff

[ember sentinel]

orgryns are a 50/50 recently on taking all the ammo and dying or carrying the team

for me

[gray kelp]

i literally watched him get surrounded then he took out the fucking grenade box

bro was lost

[worn bolt]

same for a lot of psykers, brainbursting only or just using melee, or going apeshit

[gray kelp]

btw, worth getting you think? not too sure what the ideal blessings are on fs

[feral verge]

you want unstable power and slaughterer

[worn bolt]

yeah if you can roll unstable over superiority it should be really good, stats are good

[rare furnace]

Guys only I haven’t seen a 380 in a while?

I only find 378 max many times

[spice veldt]

just probability I reckon

[rare furnace]

Like before crafting patch I found like 4

[spice veldt]

and I wouldn't be surprised if it was weighted

[gray kelp]

ive got >7k dockets so willing to buy something even if it isnt like literally the best

[worn bolt]

380+ are pretty damn rare

[gray kelp]

my gearing rng has been pretty atrocious otherwise lol

[ember sentinel]

i find pysker the easiest to get the highest score with (assuming we gauge carries off score)

[rare furnace]

If you craft your weapon I think it’s 1/30 to get a super good

Like my 378 sword was at 14 tries

[ember sentinel]

like im def the best with pysker over the other classes but i also feel like they just rack up the important stats

[rare furnace]

+1

But I I like preacher too

[ember sentinel]

preachers fun

[rare furnace]

My preacher can sustain his team and let them clean

And delete bosses

[ember sentinel]

i like running hammer/Agripinna shotgun

with them

but its been a while since i played them

[rare furnace]

But I have more fun killin every small stuff with psyk

[rare furnace]

I’m gonna try the fire shotgun soon with blessings

[worn bolt]

meh, I go off or usefullness but youd be surprised how many just do barely anything or die instantly. thankfully most on damn know what they are doing lol

[ember sentinel]

thats fair

[half turtle]

how do you even get a weakspot hit with surge

oh wait is this for the lmb

[spice veldt]

that's for the RMB

the damage table just shows it for the weakspot just cuz

maybe it can hit weakspots, idk

i'd assume it works like explosion/flamethrowers where it targets the base armour type of an enemy rather than a specific body part though

[ornate hamlet]

380's have gone bye-bye after BotO update. It's only up to 379 for me since then

[orchid shadow]

According to the scordeboard mod, I'm getting lots of weakspot hits with surge. I'm just not sure if those are registering correctly since it seems to think I'm getting weakspot hits with Trauma Right click too.

[gray kelp]

i just want plasteel man I just cant get a pug group in damnation capable of doing a run lol

[past parrot]

Is this staff kinda based?

[wheat olive]

that's surprising, most of the pub damnation games I get are wins

Unless it's high intensity

you're probably just getting unlucky

[hollow current]

slap warp flurry on it and it'd be fun. roll crit to unarmored or flak.

[feral verge]

i used surge for this game

98% of this damage was illisi lol

busted

[hollow current]

I was gonna say. looks like illi did a lot of the lifting lol

[feral verge]

after finally crafting unstable power 4

50k plasteel later

empra gives me this

just 2 hours after i crafted unstable 4

thanks...

and the dmg is so bad o nthis its not even worth getting excited over putting slaughterer 4 on it

[blazing oak]

Surge. Trauma. Purgatus. Voidstrike.

Long ago, the four staves lived together in harmony.

Then, everything changed when the Gun Psykers attacked.

Only the Sanctioned Psyker, master of all four staves, could stop them.

But when Darktide needed them most, they reviewbombed the game over Purgatus nerfs.

[orchid shadow]

The screenshots I had of the scoreboard weakspot count were super old, so I did a quick test to make sure I wasn't out of my mind. Played a game with both Surge and Trauma, Right Click only. Zero weakspot hits.

[onyx oracle]

Ius best staff.

[crimson nexus]

wait when did the purgatus get nerfed?

[onyx oracle]

flame damage got nerfted thanks to flamer.

[crimson nexus]

god dmanit

fatshark are incompetent

[onyx oracle]

Because flames only consist of flamer.

The shotgun and Purgatus staff are non-entities.

[cyan notch]

its just soublaze dot vs flak

[ember sentinel]

ping matchmaking i almost always get good teammates

[crimson nexus]

yeah it still feels fine i think. i hope they separate out soulblaze vs burn so they dont have more problems balacing flamer vs purg

[ember sentinel]

purg still does what its meant to do very well

[orchid shadow]

So yeah, weird that the breakdown shows numbers for weakspots

[ember sentinel]

thankfully

[feral verge]

purga is still really good

i dont even feel it on purga

i only feel it on ascendant blaze

[cold geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dvj3JIIxhI

[feral verge]

yeow

block to maniac dmg

they're in for a surprise

[cold geode]

its an illis tho, maniac?

[feral verge]

yeah, ofc maniac

i run it on mine

you almost 1 shot muties

[cold geode]

okie

[feral verge]

1 shot trappers, flamers, uhh

whatever else is maniac

[feral verge]

the last piece

unstable 4

[cold geode]

yea, been upgrading force swords looking for it for the last week

[feral verge]

i wish you better luck than me

[cold geode]

hopefully i find it soon, you as well

[feral verge]

i found it today, actually

twice

after over 50k plasteel

and over a month

[cold geode]

nice

[feral verge]

bear witness

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-delicious-yum-gif-24034660

[orchid shadow]

Omg, he got it

[feral verge]

another bonus of exorcist 4 is

lets me spam the special charge

[cold geode]

yea

[feral verge]

when i rolled exorcist 4 on that, at first iwas pissed. thought it was bricked

but it actually fucks hard

harder than i ever thought it would

[cold geode]

interesting

[orchid shadow]

It feels kinda wrong to be going fishing for swords and going, "Ooh yeah. That is a poop stat. You're going to be Orange soon."

[cold geode]

optimal does not always mean best

and even if you had everything at 80 but warp res, and it was 60, you'd still only need like 4 charges to get to 80%+ peril

[fierce sinew]

putting the min in minmax

[cyan notch]

unstable over slaughterer is interesting

i tried exorcist it was pretty aggressively average

[feral verge]

i like the first strike potential

im always at high peril

so i always have 20% power

[sour bison]

Always angry

[cyan notch]

well then u get 1 kill and ur almost same power

and u only get stronger

[feral verge]

i like 1 shotting stuff on the first strike

dont need slaughterer

slaughterer is the best overall, i aint arguing that

but for what i've got going on here, dont need it

[fierce sinew]

I think there's a big separation in use cases there that gets glossed over sometimes

[orchid shadow]

Welp, there goes 15000 Plasteel. So many Precog and Executor blessings... 😦

[cyan notch]

what does it help you 1 shot that u couldnt without it

[worn bolt]

what mods/blessings should I look for on a surge staff

[fierce sinew]

how much you get out of some of the higher setup cost blessings depends on how long you plan to hold the thing, you can definitely tell some people have the sword out primarily and the staff only for specific things

and other people the reverse

[cyan notch]

i dont think theres a 1 shot breakpoint for anything just with unstable power

[feral verge]

i like the guarantee of knowing the exact damage im going to do

[cyan notch]

well ur peril is always changing

[feral verge]

from 60-80

mostly 80-100

[cyan notch]

yea and thats not really exact damage

[worn bolt]

as long as its below head pop im ok

more damage gud

[feral verge]

it can be

i can see oh my peril is 98 ik im gonna fuck this guy up

[worn bolt]

tbf if you worked it out in meat grinder it wouldnt be hard to see how much damage you do at a specific peril

[feral verge]

yee

[cyan notch]

it would be hard

[worn bolt]

huh? read percentage, read number

[cyan notch]

vs like all armour types

headshot bodyshot

warp charges

for a whole list of peril values

[fierce sinew]

I think building out a rough intuitive landscape of "if I'm at x peril I need y swings to kill z enemy" probably isn't that hard

[worn bolt]

all of this can be tested, not sure what you meant when you said it wasn't exact values and when told there is you respond with its too hard

[feral verge]

it aint lol

[cyan notch]

of course all this can be tested

but if ur telling me it wouldnt be hard to magically calculate the damage youd do at a specific peril on the fly thats just silly

youd have to memorise so many values

[worn bolt]

charge sword and for a moment your peril stands still

boom

easy

[feral verge]

you're thinking too hard

its easy to know

hey if i hit this guy at max peril hes gonna die 1 hit

or hey if i hit him i nte head at max peril he's gonna have 5% hp left

you dont even need to know numbers

[cyan notch]

sure for one value of max peril i agree

[worn bolt]

for example, I know that it takes 3 bb at 6 stacks to kill a damn mutant but 2 at high peril

(for warp unleashed at least)

[cyan notch]

if you could already calculate all these exact values then

whats the difference with or without unstable power

you could calculate those exact values anyway

theres nothing you can 1 shot that you couldnt already do without unstable and since its so easy to calculate the exact damage youd do you that isnt specific to unstable power

im not saying its horrible your reasoning is just a little odd

[autumn smelt]

BRO

MY PSYKER DOESNT NEED MORE LUCK

[feral verge]

i can test later

[autumn smelt]

SPARE A CRUMB FOR MY OTHER CHARACTERS

[feral verge]

idk man i just like having guaranteed 20% more damage

shores up the 'weakness' of illisi of not being a dedicated single target dmg weapon

and whatever i may be missing with slaughterer, i think im making up for a decent amount of it by being able to spam the special, because of exorcist

[worn bolt]

so anyone know what mods/blessings I Should take on a surge staff or nah?

[feral verge]

i was able to do this much damage to the plogryn because of unstable + warp unleashed

there was a BON during that round too, but i onyl BB'd it a few times

[spice veldt]

you're going to do a bunch to bosses regardless because of the bonus unyielding damage on special

[feral verge]

and look at my overkill dmg

dont need slaughterer to kill hordes fsater. i kill them fast enough with this busted thing

i want to kill elites and specials faster

that's what unstable helps me do

[spice veldt]

every second counts, and elites are often bundled with other weaker enemies

how often are you just encountering lone elites

[ember hornet]

so I'm gonna show off my hammer cause there's at least 3 folks who would appreciate and uh yeah, what did I sacrifice to get this

what dafuq

[spice veldt]

whew

who did you kill for this

[ember hornet]

right

[orchid shadow]

Unfortunately, there aren't a whole lot of options for Surge staff. You want Flak / Maniac for Perks, and Flurry + Something else. That Something else being Nexus because you only have 4 choice to choose from

[runic juniper]

gotta love weapons 2 steps from perfect

[ember hornet]

what's cool is T2 maniac hits all the breakpoints

so it doesn't matter

[runic juniper]

waiting for difficulty 6 muties

[feral verge]

that thing is very sexual

i love it

the maniac 2 hurts to see a little

on such a pretty thing

but damn

[ember hornet]

it does hurt

but currently

it doesn't matter at all

[feral verge]

yee

you're ognna delete them anyway

[ember hornet]

ye

[runic juniper]

I disagree more with the 1% first target missing

[ember hornet]

lol

[spice veldt]

that 4% defence is really gonna hurt ya

[ember hornet]

I just decided on a whim to buy hammers from brunts until I got a 370+

[worn bolt]

so which of these do you think I Should rr? and for what

[ember hornet]

and that one was the first I upgraded

[runic juniper]

unyielding for flak probably

[orchid shadow]

@worn bolt Terrifying Barrage is really only good for LMB and Focused Channeling is a waste since you're rarely going to be charging with something right next to you without you whipping out your melee

[spice veldt]

melee isn't the only type that will stagger you

ranged will also do it

[orchid shadow]

Only one real option there, Unyielding to Flak I think

[worn bolt]

managed to get lucky with flak 4 rr, only took me like adozen or two

[orchid shadow]

True, but at that moment, I feel that unless something absolutely needs to be locked down for 1 or 2 seconds, but an incoming attack will interrupt me, I'm out of position and need to start blocking asap and getting out of there.

Since you don't even need to be looking in the same direction after casting, moving out of the way is just easier.

[primal plume]

I notice sometimes my surge staff leaves behind alingering chain of lightning between 2 targets and continues to stun them. Is this a feature or a weird graphical bug

[orchid shadow]

No idea there. I'm not sure how surge picks it's secondary targets.

[primal plume]

Seems to be based on distance and cone of view

[spice veldt]

hmm just testing in the psykanium, it seems that they removed the stagger from getting hit by a ranged attack at max toughness?

alright, focused channeling is proper useless now

[orchid shadow]

Not sure about cone of view. I somehow manage to wake up a Demonhost on floor BELOW me at the first stair activation in the Oubliette assasination mission. There were plenty of targets, on the same floor, but for some reason, there was a random zap to the DH

[cold geode]

yea, i usually have to completely stop using the secondary on surge when there is a dh near

[idle plover]

This good stuff. I will post mine tomorrow. I think you have it beat though.

[north solstice]

is there a reason people dont like the obscurus? is a moveset or stat type thing?

[spice veldt]

moveset really

generally, no one really likes the special

it locks you in place and leaves you very vulnerable

[cold geode]

yea, but it does do pretty high damage to boss type mobs

[spice veldt]

Deimos has the 1st light and 2nd heavy that do massive single target damage, pretty much rendering the special obsolete for most cases

[cold geode]

even so getting stuck stucks

[spice veldt]

Illisi is a faster power sword

personally, I'm fine with the Obscurus and used to use it as my main melee for 500 hours-ish

but it is far overshadowed by what the other marks are capable of

[lunar hollow]

i just got used to obscurus when the other ones were released lol

pain

[spice veldt]

the nerf to bloodthirsty also put the nail in the coffin, for me at least

[feral verge]

@cyan notch here's 1 breakpoint i cant hit without unstable power

scab gunner

testing for more

trapper

[cyan notch]

warp unleashed will kill both of these

[feral verge]

i am running warp unleashed...

[cyan notch]

ur at 0 peril

[feral verge]

oh ye my b

you may be right about the breakpoints thing, im too lazy to thoroughly test it

[cyan notch]

you dont have to manually test you could just play around with the bp calculator if ureally wanted

i wouldnt be surprised if there were 1 or 2 that you could

[clear heath]

Is there a way to input stuff like warp unleashed into bp calc?

[feral verge]

too lazy to test that too. but for my use case, i want to be better at single target damage with illisi. i dont need it to be better horde clear, because it's already amazing at that

[cyan notch]

theres no way to add warp unleashed and warp charges

i just look at the bp format and see the %

[flat vigil]

Am I right in assuming that Quell Speed is the least favoured stat on a voidstrike?

[spice veldt]

you'll just have to do it into a manual calculator

Blast Radius and Warp Resistance are my picks for the dumpstats

[feral verge]

yes, because you want warp nexus and transfer peril

[flat vigil]

Thanks guys

[feral verge]

transfer peril completely invalidates the need to quell with the staff, most of the time

[flat vigil]

Yeah I figured transfer peril would be why it's the preferred dump

[feral verge]

arcotash is right too, though

warp resistance isnt highly needed either, for the same reason

and blast radius doesnt affect a whole lot on voidstrike

[flat vigil]

Yeah tbf I've not really noticed blast radius doing much either

[spice veldt]

part of the reason is that the epicentre has a cleave limit

[cyan notch]

warp unleashed and warp charges and i think are additive with each other i think so u just look at these and see if theyre below 49% for those

[spice veldt]

presumably the equation is dmg * (1 + dmg%) * (1 + power%)

[torpid merlin]

Hey, I keep falling 1 short on "Pop N Mix. Have all the talents for head bursting n such, but any other tips?

[quaint depot]

Same. Been working on that one for awhile now and god save you trying to do the kill a monostrosity with 80 bb needed for 90% damage

[ornate hamlet]

gather some elites you know will die in 2 bursts, burst each once and then use kinetic barrage to finish the job

though i did get killed at 97% yesterday on kinetic barrage, so maybe do a normal bb on the first and kinetic the other 4

for the monstrosity its just having people kiting it around (you included, since youre the only one dealing damage) and you popping it

the problems with pick n mix are you need some coordination and either kill the bots or have 4 players, and the monstrosity one is you just need people to not do anything while you do something

the penances would be a billion times easier if you could just tell your bots to hold the fuck up, but of course itd be a super specific command used like once or twice

[spice veldt]

as long as you ulted down to 0% peril and no more, you'll able to cast the 5th brainburst safely

[ornate hamlet]

thats the problem, i ulted at 0% yesterday and chained until 97

then at 97 i did one more and exploded

it was the first time it happened to me and it confused the absolute shit out of me

[cold geode]

if you are at 97.50 or higher it counts as above 97

i noticed it the other day when using the true peril mod

[torpid merlin]

Sheild ogryn and a diamond host on heresy makes it easyer

[torpid merlin]

I'll try, mostly my problem is the grps I'm with are just killing em lol 😦

[olive ember]

Fuck hes got good pen on his hammer now

rip that maniac perk tho

[torpid merlin]

I was thinking maybe like the dogs or the shock troops event might help. Think those count?

[lunar hollow]

i did mine on high int shock troop heresy

with no help

[olive ember]

the monstrosity penance got easier now with the addition of daemonhosts

[lunar hollow]

run kinetic barrage, run ahead

[ornate hamlet]

odds are they do, but the dogs are gone and shock troops too i think

[olive ember]

since you just LFG

easiest way is to just LFG and find a shield ogryn

then its just afk

the ogryn finds a corner and afks, and yeah

if you have extra people tagging along they can help keep off trash mobs and special spawns

[primal plume]

feels good

[lunar hollow]

welcome to the club

[quaint depot]

Derogatory Psycher Names: The ZitPopper.

[olive ember]

congrats

now become enlightened and realize that malice is the best difficulty

and only play malice

[lunar hollow]

malice is where its easy to solo carry and the teammates are often bad enough that you have to

[quaint depot]

Malice with Hounds and no lights?

[snow coral]

congratz, welcome to the elite

[cold geode]

im starting to fucking hate shield ogryns with the passion of a 10000 suns

[spice veldt]

DPS is very nice for completing a game fast

[cold geode]

completing a game period.

[spice veldt]

I had a normal damn pub where we did magistrati in 19 minutes, and we didn't really rush the map that much

[worn bolt]

so I went back to using the surge staff after getting used to the trauma staff and holy shit it feels so bad now

just lack of aoe damage / meaningfull cc to more than 5 enemies

[feral verge]

only way to get value out of surge is to melee 90% of the time

[copper torrent]

Is anyone running gun psyker and doing well? Trying to make a new build for a change of pace

[feral verge]

only use surge for elite packs, specials, shooters behind cover

[feral verge]

there is a really OP build

using the shredder auto pistol

[copper torrent]

shedder pinning fire?

[feral verge]

yep

@vagrant frigate can tell you about the build

[copper torrent]

What should I have besides pinning fire on shredder?

[feral verge]

cuz i dont know too much about it

[vagrant frigate]

do what

[copper torrent]

Could you tell me your shredder pinning fire build?

[feral verge]

shredder gunker build

[stable silo]

111132

oh you mean the blessing

[copper torrent]

That too

[stable silo]

you want blaze away

il show u my gun aim for tier 4 perkz