I’d be interested to see how charged headshots on crushers go— could be ok in a pinch
#psyker-class
past parrot
feral verge
But the rest of the poxies in the cleave will survive the strike
Atleast they'll take extra damage
primal fjord
Do you mean Maniac?
past parrot
Maniac is so nice
feral verge
Infested sounds pointless until you find out it lets you kill even more poxies in a single cleave
Idk the exact breakpoint but it lets you 1 shot dogs too
primal fjord
The uncanny strike just feels worthless and trying to roll for something decent to go with slaughter.
feral verge
Until you get a low warp resist one that has slaughterer and untsble power
Unstable power is what you want
Unstable and slaughterer are best in slot
On Deimos and illisi
And obscurus
Unless you really value deflector
primal fjord
I don't think I'm about that life, of high warp playing.
primal fjord
I explod already by accident when mobbed and hitting wrong button.
lethal folio
What do you have against uncanny strike?
feral verge
Because trauma is very expensive
feral verge
What do you have against uncanny strike?
Uncanny is meh
lethal folio
Do you not like doing extra damage?
ruby plover
okay why cant hadron do this when im crafting illis
primal fjord
Using a Illisi on armored mobs?
feral verge
the only armored mob i wont touch with illisi are crushers
everything else dies in 1 swing
2 at most
besides reapers
formal flume
Reapers do be a bitch
lethal folio
Do you only charge attack?
near wyvern
Depends. I have so far only tested for Soulblaze and assuming all weapons would work like Soulblaze it seems that there are 2 buff categories.
Warp Unleashed, Psyker Elite bonus, and perks like vs special and vs elite are additive with each other. These are Group A.
Warp Charges and vs armour perks are additive with each other and belong to Group B. Group A and Group B are then multiplied together. Power and Cerebral Lacerations stack multiplicatively with Group A and B.
fresh reef
Depends. I have so far only tested for Soulblaze and assuming all weapons would ...
I was specifically wondering about weapon base damage with perks
fresh reef
So to clarify, Base damage with something like +mutant would be a multiplicative increase?
near wyvern
I was specifically wondering about weapon base damage with perks
If it works like Soulblaze it's multiplicative on base. So +10% would mean multiply by 1.1. Should be easy to test in grinder.
feral verge
reaper
near wyvern
Need more power
feral verge
crusher
feral verge
Need more power
need more power
still looking for unstable 4
might be able to 1 shot the ragers atleast
with it
near wyvern
I doubt a bit, seemed like a long way to go
lethal folio
Armour mods are multiplied
lunar hollow
is unarmored worth anything on illisi
near wyvern
Perhaps if you have +elite +maniac on it for perks
lethal folio
Power is multiplied, and practically everything else is additive.
lament glen
What blessings should I be fishing for on this thing
feral verge
Perhaps if you have +elite +maniac on it for perks
i have that on my deimos
lethal folio
Uncanny slaughterer
feral verge
What blessings should I be fishing for on this thing
unstable power and slaughterer
for perks you want maniac and flak
but elite isnt bad
@near wyvern since elite is additive, with this 10% elite perk im doing 20% in total, with psyker's innate elite dmg buff?
primal plume
What perks are good for fire staff?
feral verge
What perks are good for fire staff?
flak and crit chance
near wyvern
<@345531303942291457> since elite is additive, with this 10% elite perk im doing...
That's how it works for soulblaze, haven't tested for weapons.
feral verge
ooh
lethal lagoon
crit and personal preference probably.
feral verge
What perks are good for fire staff?
and you want warp nexus and warp flurry for blessings
near wyvern
@feral verge check the Soulblaze damage formula in Atheneum. There are 2 categories of buffs which stack additively within category and multiplicatively with the other group. I have listed the buffs there in the formula.
Weapons are likely to behave the same, but as I said, I haven't tested this.
high prism
which lv 5 feat is the best ?
near wyvern
Quietitude
feral verge
<@253355223400185867> check the Soulblaze damage formula in Atheneum. There are ...
will do homie
near wyvern
You need to bring a very specific setup to consider running anything else with the current meta for lvl 5 feat
karmic copper
Purg staff, Focused + nexus, or Flurry+Nexus
high prism
wish i can dress like dow 1 psyker
karmic copper
do i toss rank 4 nexus on this? or replace focused with rank 3 flurry
karmic copper
or forget it , because i have
feral verge
or forget it , because i have
That one is better
karmic copper
the tiny bit increase in burn and cloud radius not worth redoing the other?
feral verge
you only need 76% burn
karmic copper
ive BARELY used purg
feral verge
76% is the breakpoint
feral verge
it gives oyu 1 more stack of burn
feral verge
15
karmic copper
o nvm 16 is with 100% cap.
feral verge
yee
karmic copper
so a rank 3 flurry on that staff, with already rank 4 nexus, is superior to focused fire and rank 4 nexus
feral verge
imo yeah
karmic copper
id rather not smash the newer one for feats etc anyway=)
worn bolt
how rare is slaughterer 4
feral verge
focused channeling is for extreme aggressive play or bad positioning
feral verge
how rare is slaughterer 4
i spent 50k plasteel trying to get unstable power 4
didnt get it, or slaughterer
this is all i have to show for 50k mats
worn bolt
i spent 50k plasteel trying to get unstable power 4
oof, I feel bad cause melk gave me this, I had to roll slaughterer on but yeah
feral verge
lucky bastard
unstable power 4 is literally all i need
to make my build p much perfect
been trying to get it for over a month
ive checked melk every single day
primal fjord
If I had to pick perks on a Deimos, would it be Flak over Maniac?
feral verge
maniac damage will let you 1 shot muties with the 2nd heavy attack
karmic copper
have i been reading it wrong each time?
feral verge
have i been reading it wrong each time?
smh my head shaking my
feral verge
If I had to pick perks on a Deimos, would it be Flak over Maniac?
pygex shows it off in this vid
formal flume
If only other weapons could be as good as this beauty of a force sword
low parrot
Unstable power is 5% per stack right
leaden thunder
at t4 yes
spice veldt
yup, and you get a stack at 20/40/60/80% peril
low parrot
Not bad
fresh steeple
query: does Toughness Regeneration Speed affect the percentage increases of toughness gen like Quietude, or only coherency toughness regen?
feral verge
only coherency
spice veldt
though it's still quite good for that assuming you're the type to stick with the team
fresh steeple
yes, of course. Just wanted to make sure I didn't overweigh it
I thought it only affected coherency, but I recalled sideeyeing a comment in this channel some time back that suggested otherwise
spice veldt
mightve been early on when none of us really knew what it did
fresh steeple
naw, it was like two days ago
spice veldt
o
gray kelp
How are things looking for psykers? Haven't played a while, took a break after like the only thing they did a month after launch was make psyker clunkier to play >_>
fresh steeple
How are things looking for psykers? Haven't played a while, took a break after l...
very good
leaden thunder
very very good
gray kelp
sweet
spice veldt
they basically gave us a power sword
spice veldt
quelling is faster, warp charges give a little more damage
fresh steeple
massive improvements to warp charge stacks, toughness generation, peril, etc.
gray kelp
oh damn wasnt expecting that I figured it would've been a shitshow for at least a year
spice veldt
ikr
fresh steeple
they're honestly acting pretty fast with game balance stuff, especially given they have very few players left and could have just chucked the game as a pump and dump
leaden thunder
well
some times
some things stayed op for way too long
and some things are still incredibly shit
fresh steeple
but far less long than I would have expected them to
leaden thunder
I mean not really
fresh steeple
didn't say they've perfected anything
gray kelp
well sorry guys psyker isnt allowed to be good when I play so expect some nerfs next week
fresh steeple
but I expected FS to take a LOT longer to balance... anything
leaden thunder
the flamer and power sword have been op since the game launched
fresh steeple
the flamer and power sword have been op since the game launched
yup. and they now nerfed them, and now pissants are bombing reviews because of it
fresh steeple
indeed
leaden thunder
the one thing I think is fair
fresh steeple
i SpENt SEvEN HUnDReD HouRs FArMInG PoWER CyClER
gray kelp
oh they nerfed flamer/psword? I wish I was there to see initial reaction
leaden thunder
is getting annoyed becuase you had to go through a bullshit grind for some stuff
fresh steeple
oh they nerfed flamer/psword? I wish I was there to see initial reaction
it was two days ago
you can presently see it right now on reddit and in this discord
stone quest
And Steam
gray kelp
im guessing they're still top tier but people are saying they're trash now
leaden thunder
I just slapped brutal momentum on my power sword
gray kelp
figures
leaden thunder
im guessing they're still top tier but people are saying they're trash now
pretty much
though unfortunately
fresh steeple
they're just not comically and obnoxiously better tahn all other options
leaden thunder
a couple of things got hit in the crossfire of the flamer nerf
fresh steeple
but I still use my flamer without incident on my zealot
low parrot
Flamer still does what its supposed to, trivialise hordes
fresh steeple
Flamer still does what its supposed to, trivialise hordes
and frankly it still also does what it is not self-evidently supposed to do in killing crushers
leaden thunder
infernus and soulblaze both got a hit
low parrot
Only thing I felt was the ammo count so just be a bit less trigger happy
fresh steeple
it just does so marginally less efficiently
leaden thunder
it just does so marginally less efficiently
yep
low parrot
and frankly it still also does what it is not self-evidently supposed to do in k...
Yeah I didnt notice much difference in killing stuff
leaden thunder
lazorr killed like
fresh steeple
so you gotta get a bit of chip damage on them
fresh steeple
or otherwise have carapace damage roll
leaden thunder
compared to 40 in 1 mag
just for context on how fucked the flamer actually was and still is
fresh steeple
you only need one mag to kill crushers if ou have a carapace roll or double power blessings
even with the nerfs
leaden thunder
it might have been a grey one he did it with idk
fresh steeple
with two mags? possibly
not possible with one
unless you take range damage talents
worn heath
I remember him having a clip of killing a pack in 26 ammo post nerf
leaden thunder
I guess I am wrong
fresh steeple
my flamer is max burn max damage with continuous fire and can't one-mag a full health Damnation Crusher
leaden thunder
and it is still even more op
worn heath
Mayve had 2x power cara don’t remember if rolls were shown
fresh steeple
it gets about ~85% of the way there
leaden thunder
my flamer is max burn max damage with continuous fire and can't one-mag a full h...
using f?
fresh steeple
but the mag isn't really what's important. It's the 5 seconds of your ult
the flak damage nerf is what stopped single-ult crusher kills
worn heath
leaden thunder
"they ruined the flamer"
worn heath
Totally unusable, can’t kill flak either
leaden thunder
late yew
remember that clown that kept whining saying that psyker got killed
spice veldt
derpy is shit posting 51% of the time
late yew
Yes
late yew
cuase I am pretty sure he was shit posting if it was him
can't be shitposting literally several hours in a row
so i think he was sincere
leaden thunder
I don't think he was
late yew
nah 100% sure he was
primal plume
Is using firestaff on bosses any good? always feels like a futile effort
sinful spruce
is the leveling experience rough for psyker? i feel like i struggle so much more on malice and hereesy while levelign psyker than i am with ogryn or vet for that matter
primal plume
Starting out as psyker can feel rough
but the more stuff you get the greater it feels
sinful spruce
yeah im just now getting close to level 12 on psyker and it feels like such a fight to get to purge staff at level 15
spice veldt
purg is fine on bosses
esp on the beast of nurgle, since he takes half damage from brain bursts
late yew
is the leveling experience rough for psyker? i feel like i struggle so much more...
eh
not really
spice veldt
just gotta get used to Psyker's quirks
late yew
just use quititude
spice veldt
since while they have low base stats, they do have a fast stamina regeneration delay of 0.5 seconds compared to ogryn's 1 second and vet's 1.25 seconds
As long as you're on top of your game, you should be pretty fine
Psyker also has the same cooldown between consecutive dodges as zealots, so dodges are as spammable, and our Force melees have an infinite dodge limit
make of that information what you will
low parrot
Unbinding jump from space bar to easily spam infinite dodges with the force sword was a game changer
leaden thunder
^
late yew
hmmm
spice veldt
demonstration of spamming dodges https://streamable.com/dfg8rx
feral verge
space bar will make oyu jump sometimes
leaden thunder
^
low parrot
Jumping ruins it
feral verge
you have to seperate the two for the best mileage
spice veldt
and it keeps the muscle memory for sliding the same
leaden thunder
I have jump on alt
late yew
also this potatoe graphics 
feral verge
i bound space for dodge, alt for jump
spice veldt
i'm running this game on a laptop
low parrot
Save yourself the brainpower so you can mash the space bar and put jump on C or something
ruby plover
jump on X gang
spice veldt
and i love potatoes
low parrot
You barely jump anyway
feral verge
i'm running this game on a laptop
running? hell nah bro. you walking it.
leaden thunder
jump on X gang
spice veldt
running? hell nah bro. you walking it.
ok mr t3 unstable
late yew
running? hell nah bro. you walking it.
crawling
spice veldt
i'm going to use that as an insult until the end of time
feral verge
ok mr t3 unstable
ruby plover
i randomly found it on a blue i got somewhere that i missed
feral verge
because i spent over 50k plasteel and over a month to get it
to get unstable 4 i mean
i am stuck in unstable 3
spice veldt
imagine missing out on 4% power
digital loom
mankar j ust dont do it
feral verge
and its funny because the difference between unstable 3 and 4 is 4%
spice veldt
absolutely embarassing
low parrot
I'm playing on damnation with blue items and I'm not even 30 yet
digital loom
one day they will make stuff easier to get and you will kick yourself in the ass for working so hard for free
low parrot
Illisi too stronk
feral verge
I'm playing on damnation with blue items and I'm not even 30 yet <:KEKW_ogryn:10...
glad i aint playing with you
ruby plover
one day they will make stuff easier to get and you will kick yourself in the ass...
well the fortunate part
is that the game was still fun along the way
spice veldt
tbf illisi without slaughterer is probably as good as an obscurus with slaughterer
low parrot
I'm top of the scoreboard most games 
feral verge
i dont need unstable 4
digital loom
yeah same, if its not fun i dont play
feral verge
i just want it because its the one thing from making my build perfect
low parrot
I've got T1 slaughterer 
ruby plover
i think you should just power it up at the start
feral verge
both of my swords are stuck on unstable 3
ruby plover
and then its good for the rest of the mission
leaden thunder
I've got T1 slaughterer <:EZ:641926808907939850>
I only have t1 and t4 unlocked
was a little bit of an upgrade
feral verge
I only have t1 and t4 unlocked
me with no respite
except i dont even have no respite 1
ruby plover
wait i forgot i finally found t3 slaughterer today
feral verge
i think you saw me post the shotgun i got today
ruby plover
unfortunately i dont have any unstable swords to put it on
feral verge
on zealot
blazing oak
Darktide crafting isn’t crafting, it’s dumpster diving and then sticker application
feral verge
this border
blazing oak
That border seems very Khorne
feral verge
If I keep using the purga I think I should hit 1 mil kills pretty fast
spice veldt
I'm like 60% of the way through that penance at 1k hours
then again I don't use purg
cold geode
650297 for me currently
feral verge
I am at 520 hours
cold geode
ornate mason
Voidstrike fun.
cold geode
yea i was in the first beta in october, the pre-order and every day since then
leaden thunder
I am pretty sure quite a few people also have inflated hours as well
I have like 600 hours
cold geode
yea, mines probably inflated a bit
leaden thunder
but only about 400 or less actually playing
cold geode
im also funemployed lol
leaden thunder
sometimes when I close it it doesn't "close" according to steam
spice veldt
I sometimes just afk with it in the background and then I forget it's running
cold geode
<:DT_wat:959078239018573824>
I AINT GOT MNO JOB
ruby plover
this shit makes me laugh every time
blazing oak
Better with the staff special bonk
feral verge
I use it but not for the decimal
I use it to see the true value of my peril
In base game it shows your peril smoothly decay as you quell
But with the mod, it doesn't so the smooth transition
It shows what your peril is
Exactly
Idk how to explain
spice veldt
there's some visual interpolation to make the transition of your peril dropping look smooth
gray kelp
what do people run for feats nowadays? still 3 1 1 1 3 3? I noticed quicken doubles warp charge generation now so was thinking something like 3 2 1 1 1 1 could work out, easy peril management + emergency PW is the idea behind it
feral verge
Peril management is easy as is
With the quelling buffs
i dont see the value in quicken when you have ascendant barrage for deleting hordes and kinetic barrage for deleting elites/specials
ember sentinel
I run 3 1 1 2 1 3
spice veldt
same as yoshi
ember sentinel
But i also enjoy kinetic flayer
spice veldt
oh wait i got my numbers mixed up
lethal folio
Quicken is for when you just want to do lots of staff stuff.
spice veldt
i run 3 1 2 2 3 3
north cradle
312113 because I want to be a Sith instead of being pragmatic
gray kelp
oh you guys don't run kinetic deflection? did it get nerfed or something
ember sentinel
Illsi sword can also build peril really quick and they quell for toughness which is nice in some spots
spice veldt
no I just run a stamina curio instead
ember sentinel
Its still fine i just prefer damage reduction
north cradle
Kinetic Deflection got nerfed by how passive quelling works now
ember sentinel
I dont block a ton anyway im usually pushing
north cradle
And also how Deflector got nerfed
gray kelp
Oh, by that do you mean getting peril from block would interrupt passive quell?
north cradle
Ya
gray kelp
ah it had to happen at some point lol
north cradle
No more tanking Daemonhosts
spice veldt
probably
blazing oak
Honestly it made sense to me
blazing oak
Unlike removing deflector blocking bullets on revival
spice veldt
seems more of a "we forgot this peril generation method should stop passive regen"
blazing oak
That was a bs change the no revive with bullet deflection.
orchid shadow
Yet more garbo from Melk. 😦
lethal folio
We're lucky we have block revive at all.
north cradle
Are mind bullets supposed to be faster cast now?
lethal folio
That was a bug originally.
feral verge
Are mind bullets supposed to be faster cast now?
if you're referring to the video, pygex is using quell peril cancel
to lmb spam faster
it works on all staves
north cradle
Neat
blazing oak
I don’t want my inevitable arthritis to be more severe
feral verge
you just hit r and lmb in a certain rythm
spice veldt
im sure you dont need your fingers
north cradle
So you can tank Daemonhosts, but you'll need some +Stamina curios to reduce the peril buildup
wet belfry
One of the more annoying animation cancels to do in the game.
ember sentinel
Its so nice
blazing oak
just make a macro
Steam deck no thanks
cold geode
Steam deck no thanks
You can make macros for the deck.
cold geode
its barely any work, just make a macro that repeats infinitely while pressed with 0 ms between button presses for LMB > R
hollow dove
Hi All -- curious for opinions, does Soul Blaze make sense on a Purgatus or is it redundant?
feral verge
Hi All -- curious for opinions, does Soul Blaze make sense on a Purgatus or is i...
you mean wildfire?
yes wildfire is redundant with purga
its not very good in general
with purga you want to run warp battery instead, combined with ascendant blaze
ascendant blaze + warp battery will delete hordes, and you will get all, or most of your warp charges back in the process
potent glade
Thank u emprah
feral verge
shieldgryn
potent glade
im living the dream
fallow falcon
Is this surge staff worth picking up from Melk?
I know that it can lean into a crit build pretty well
Change crit damage to carapace
cold geode
charge rate is a dump stat for surge imo since you don't really charge to full anyway
feral verge
I wouldn't spend melk money on a surge unless it was a god roll
fallow falcon
What is the god roll surge then?
feral verge
Or if it had a needed t4 blessing
feral verge
What is the god roll surge then?
Warp flurry + warp nexus t4
Crit rate + flak dmg t4
feral verge
Yeah
But not godroll
A legendary surge is only 10% better than a grey
It's just a stun stick in the end
spice veldt
crit bonus would be my dump stat
blazing oak
But then less warp resist means more quelling
fallow falcon
Shame that it can't roll with Surge for the double crits
Probably not worth it over flurry mind you
But imagine oneshotting a crusher
feral verge
But then less warp resist means more quelling
I like high peril
stable silo
i to like high ....peril
stable silo
tiny isnt interested in anything thats not blazing spirit illis with wildfire build
feral verge
There's a psyker named Simran
gloomy yarrow
is uncanny strike good on the deimos force sword?
feral verge
You want slaughterer and unstable power
stable silo
i think u want slaught for sure UP or Def
spice veldt
not too much, but if you really want to spec into being anti-crusher
gloomy yarrow
yeah I want something that can delete armored guys now that the flame staff has been nerfed
dusk sierra
how we feelin about this blessing
spice veldt
force sword heavies only deal <100% damage to carapace
lights are a bit meh, though you're not doing lights on flak/carapace anyways
excluding the stab i suppose
oh right uncanny strike synergizing with purg as well if you run that
stable silo
isnt that blessing like super meme but not actually good on void
gloomy yarrow
oh right uncanny strike synergizing with purg as well if you run that
oh it does that?
spice veldt
it synergizes with soulblaze/bleed/DoTs in general
gloomy yarrow
nice
stable silo
i think u generally wanna run the quel on weakspot then warp flurry i think
spice veldt
all active DoTs also inherit the buffs from the weapon you're currently holding out
so soulblaze starts ticking some proper damage on carapace once you've got some uncanny strike stacks up
stable silo
thats what i was always told by peple much better than me
twin pond
whats the best force sword? deimos illsi or obscurus?
spice veldt
any force sword except obscurus
stable silo
illis horde clear deimos single target dmg obscurus is obsccure
spice veldt
deimos is more single target, illisi more generally
gloomy yarrow
it synergizes with soulblaze/bleed/DoTs in general
well along with that is executioner good for dealing with heavy armored guys?
digital loom
i use a deimos with trauma staff
spice veldt
executioner isn't that good because you drop stacks very easily; e.g., blocking/pushing will drop your stacks
swapping weapons also drops stacks
missing an attack drops your stacks
gloomy yarrow
slaughterer then maybe?
spice veldt
yeah I'd say slaughterer/unstable power/etc. depending on whether you're using deimos for hordeclear or not
slaughterer for hordeclear, and unstable power otherwise
gloomy yarrow
alright thanks
spice veldt
dodging doesn't, though if you wait too long, your executioner stacks get dropped
ye
very slippery stacks
stable silo
ya i think im gonna end up running def/slaught on my FS cause the alternative is exe/slaught
spice veldt
sounds neat
digital loom
slaughterer not needed on deimos but its nice to have
dusk sierra
so surge blessing is meme? sad days I wanted to double voidstrike
dense ivy
Man I'm just loving new glass cannon psyker
Almost dying constantly does suck, is the 33% ranged DR talent any good now with the rescaling?
spice veldt
did they change kinetic shield?
dense ivy
They changed the scaling on peril in general
Instead of it capping out at 97-100% it caps out much lower
spice veldt
that's just for warp nexus and unstable power though right?
dense ivy
Before you got 10/15% and only got the full 33% while at max peril
spice veldt
kinetic shield should scale like warp unleashed
in that the scaling is from 0% to 100%
dense ivy
I kinda wanna try a crit build with my Voidstrike
Does the double shot on crit blessing work on charged though or only basic attacks?
Because if it’s only basic that’s depressingly useless
dense ivy
Just more reason to not use trauma
spice veldt
:(
dense ivy
And the insane peril generation
spice veldt
which is the tradeoff for having the fastest charge among the staffs
though it also has the highest charge dependency
having the 2nd strongest stagger among the force staffs
agnostic targeting if you imagine that stairs aren't real
gloomy yarrow
trauma is good for fucking with pub vets (thats its only use but at least its a good use)
dense ivy
It's funny because I rather liked Conflag in VT2
I just don't like it as much in DT
Different game when you get down to it really
gloomy yarrow
also this is an open letter for psyker mains and closed to everyone else, if people are stealign your kills and not even trying to not steal them wake the dh and make it run into your team
torpid merlin
is this worth buying from the special store? in no good as psycker
cold geode
Man I'm just loving new glass cannon psyker
it mE
blazing oak
also this is an open letter for psyker mains and closed to everyone else, if peo...
Friend them, win their trust, and then go gunker and take all the ammo
north solstice
imagine playing the space wizard class and not using the space wizard staves
dusk sierra
imagine not trying the meme autopistol soulflame build
although I stg melk just shoves recon lasguns in my face every day
orchid shadow
is this worth buying from the special store? in no good as psycker
It's not somethingy you couldn't get from upgrading from a bunch of greys or greens and transferring a blessing. It's similar to a staff I used for a month straight, but I wouldn't recommend wasting your Melk money on that.
ruby plover
my sword is plenty space wizardry enough
twilit flicker
imagine not playing into the magician archetype and gunning down the fool
"get back into the darkness from whence you came! ... fool!"
cold geode
imagine being a space wizard and not using your magic space shredder wand
twilit flicker
shadow quail
melk just gave me this
twilit flicker
ruby plover
locked blessings wouldnt feel so bad if shit ever rolled good blessings on blue
but alas only your orange blessing matters 98% of the time so
fuck you
blazing oak
shadow quail
got defelctor 4, but not gonna stick it on it, waste of time, hopfully i can get slaughterer 4
First time using the demios seriously though it's amazing
native geyser
I am also a fan
shadow quail
might actually prefer it over the lllisi
native geyser
this is my current one:
shadow quail
it's horde clear isn't..that bad, but it's single target is insane
native geyser
shadow quail
nice
native geyser
hoping to find a slaughterer iv
native geyser
any tips on Melleus Monstronum aside from "find a willing group"?
blazing oak
I can invite you to a group that I have
Someone else has already secured someone else
You’d make a party of 3 going for penances together
fringe garden
I.. guess I need to buy this from Melk
blazing oak
Accept friend request because discord requires that for groups
native geyser
accepted, gimme one sec
spice veldt
i'm a rather empathic person of course
potent glade
I.. guess I need to buy this from Melk
damn melk wheres mine
fringe garden
best ive ever seen from him
blazing oak
That goes for everyone. If y’all are looking for psyker penance groups and lfg isn’t working for you dm me and I’ll add you to the group so you can be in contact with other penance hunters
twin pond
does surge on trauma staff double the right click explosion? or only primary fire?
twin pond
hollow steeple
what are best perks on deimos FS? flak+maniac?
spice veldt
doesn't hurt to kill mutants faster
dusk sierra
only on the voidstrike does it work on the RMB
is it just a regular uncharged voidstrike shot?
ornate hamlet
I think I have a slight problem! I seem to be addicted to Illisi Blaze Force Swords, and my Beloved keeps enabling me!
spice veldt
jumpscare
spice veldt
is it just a regular uncharged voidstrike shot?
I unfortunately don't know since I'm relying on some broad testimony from others in the chat
native geyser
I think I have a slight problem! I seem to be addicted to Illisi Blaze Force Swo...
I too love the Illsi, but today Deimos has my attention
ornate hamlet
I too love the Illsi, but today Deimos has my attention
Yeah, I'm also kind of slowly stumbling down that rabbit hole
And I always hated the Obscurus Blaze Force Sword. Never used it.
dusk sierra
I unfortunately don't know since I'm relying on some broad testimony from others...
yeah if only, you know, a dev explained any damn thing in the game so we don't have to be sherlock holmes to know what happens
primal fjord
If they explain something, then they can't use the excuse that something a bug. When they want to change it later
spice veldt
wher ma in-game glossary
primal fjord
Was gonna finally have higher than T2 Deflector but it had to role T4 Unstable Power. Guess I'll get this from Meik and put T3 Slaughter on it and sacrifice current Deimos to the Machine God..
cold geode
Was gonna finally have higher than T2 Deflector but it had to role T4 Unstable P...
can you come to my house? my zealot needs t4 thrust
primal fjord
Pretty sure mine don't have it either. 🤣
cold geode
lol
fresh reef
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1091603140194873427/1091839607353659402/image.png?width=1191&height=670 gore appreciation post
rancid burrow
I think I have a slight problem! I seem to be addicted to Illisi Blaze Force Swo...
Oh yeah me too I looove that sword and I just can't get behind using a rapier or sword when I have psychic powers so...
I've built up these two
kindred sand
near crow
IIRC unstable power and slaughterer are the BIS
twilit comet
Can't argue with this natural role:
viral solstice
avoid deflector it baits u into taking peril block and its all downhill from there
u need power more power
unlimited powerrrrrrrrr
digital loom
i run a stamina curio and block efficiency
i dont use kinetic block
because i'm always at critical peril anyway
elfin geode
How are we feeling about staves these days? Been a while since I played Psyker
Like which ones are in a bad spot I guess is mostly what I'm askin
blazing oak
lightning goes zap and heretic goes bzzt
digital loom
trauma good
elfin geode
I do not much care for the flow of lightning staff, is there something I'm missing?
cyan notch
none are bad
digital loom
the key is focused channeling and rending shockwave
elfin geode
Trauma is the little aoe circle one?
blazing oak
I do not much care for the flow of lightning staff, is there something I'm missi...
Fair enough
elfin geode
I know Jsat was using it for ages so I'm sure it's good it just never clicked with me
grizzled jasper
Which one is the staff that lets me fight like darth maul
blazing oak
No
elfin geode
Phew
blazing oak
He’s the dude with the spikes on his head and gets his legs cut off
blazing oak
No staff lets you fight like that
primal radish
anyone use macro for staff canceling attacks? is that allowed or no
orchid shadow
You want to be able to intentionally miss attacks on wide open jedis?
blazing oak
Yeah that’s the one
elfin geode
Cool, thanks! Sorry to ask a bunch of dumb questions
static pine
thoughts on what to do with this thing? also what does the finesse stat do?
elfin geode
Yeah exactly
Played Psyker and Zealot in beta
Psyker on launch was rough
Played all zealot
blazing oak
It’s better now
cyan notch
thoughts on what to do with this thing? also what does the finesse stat do?
press v then hover over the stat
feral verge
thoughts on what to do with this thing? also what does the finesse stat do?
finesse is swing speed, and crit/weapkspot damage
static pine
oh wow good stat
cyan notch
what
feral verge
like, if you ever see a weapon with weakspot or crit damage perks/blessings it's bad
cyan notch
they absolutely do on finesse
static pine
why?
feral verge
say you do 100 dmg normally, and a critical hit does 110 damage. that's 10 extra damage. with a crit damage boosting perk of 10%, only that 10 points of damage is getting 10% boosted
so if thats unclear
you will only do 111 damage on a crit
meaning you only gained 1 point of damage from the crit damage boosting perk
blooddrunk may be right about finesse crit/weakspot damage being good idk tbh
but crit/weakspot dmg boosting perks are bad, and if possible, should always be replaced
viral solstice
depends on the weapon is the short answer
eg on an obscurus u will get like 15% ish damage on a weakspot hit going 20 to 80 finesse
because it got a big ol multi to play with
feral verge
yee
i aint saying finesse is bad
its really good
warp resist is the dumpstat
not finesse
i like high finesse on all force swords
viral solstice
but on idk a tac axe
its very mediocre
altho surprisingly less bad on rashad than u would expect
iirc like 8-9% damage on a weakspot light going 20-80
weary wasp
meaning you only gained 1 point of damage from the crit damage boosting perk
That's not how +cdm works. It's a flat +% damage like any other with crit condition
cyan notch
and we dont talk about combat axe finesse
cyan notch
weary wasp
I concur
dense ivy
The conclusion is Fatshark is dumb
Melee and ranged crit chance are separate stats ree
weary wasp
Probably because of wack code that would transfer your gun crits to melee
dense ivy
That is the exact reason yes
There was a bug on release that caused crucian roulette to be active on melee if you just didn’t reload your gun
weary wasp
It was around for a while
dense ivy
So dump down to 1 bullet left and you now crit more often than you don’t
Game design is my passion
viral solstice
That's not how +cdm works. It's a flat +% damage like any other with crit condit...
what do you mean by this
because it is not an additive base bonus like eg raking fire
weary wasp
what do you mean by this
Let's take warp stacks for example. 20 some damage that persist all around unconditionally (minus stacks going down). 20 crit damage would be same damage buff but it would only trigger on crit, and get nultiplied by crit. Both buffs would be +20 normally and +40xCrit IF it crits
It's not +20% to crit multiplier
viral solstice
oh it is not 20% to crit multiplier
viral solstice
its a multiplicative 20% scaling of the lump of bonus damage u get from crit tho
ees not flat
weary wasp
Yep, suppose to
viral solstice
it is very cursed tho
weary wasp
Hiss
dense ivy
It’s honestly absurd they’re using this system
viral solstice
imagine not having separate buckets for weakspot, crit, crit weakspot, flanking AND backstab damage
with the only thing using backstab damage being raking fire
and nothing using flanking
imagine
dense ivy
It was crap in VT2 when it actually just meant you did a flat 20% bonus damage more or less
Because 20% crit power was making a crit modifier 2.4x instead of only 2.2x
Now it’s fucking fractional
viral solstice
the finesse boost system in general is pretty cursed
weary wasp
I don't think anyone rolled crit damage intentionally after 20 hours of game
dense ivy
Half of the stats could say “fuck you” and do literally nothing and have the exact same gameplay impact
viral solstice
eg boltgun cant by default get more than 50% of its base damage from finesse calculation
no matter the source
and this means flak weapspot hits default to the same damage as flak weakspot crits
hollow steeple
need to get warp nexus for this
blazing oak
This is why I just ditch thinking about the specifics
blazing oak
If it kills heretics good enough
hollow steeple
that's what I'm going to replace
weary wasp
Big numbers good
Simple as
hollow steeple
at least focused channeling theoretically will be helpful for this staff
dense ivy
Why is the void strike so goddamn inaccurate
If you charge it’s instantly pinpoint accurate
I hate it so much
viral solstice
the left click is pinpoint to where u were aiming when it decided u were shooting
when this was can be a movable feast latency dependent
weary wasp
Well charge it then know
Make those heads pop
blazing oak
Primary fire for staves just feels off
blazing oak
I’ve heard people tell me otherwise
dense ivy
If you stand still and click 8 times they’ll hit 8 different places
blazing oak
You mean I’m not just shit
weary wasp
Latency seems to be the cause for a lot of miss jank
dense ivy
The thing that fucks me is that it doesn’t have first shot accuracy
In VT2 it’s fine because there’s basically no ranged enemies
In Darktide it makes void unnecessarily bad at left clicking shooters at anything but close range forcing you to just spam uncharged charge shots so you can at least stagger them
weary wasp
It's been multiple times when I clicked a head with a gun point blank just to hear the HS sound and get smacked anyway
compact cargo
and vt2 peer to peer is variable, some lobbies are good others not so much...with servers the hit reg is reliably shit
dense ivy
I got two ghost hits on a crusher
cyan notch
If you stand still and click 8 times they’ll hit 8 different places
no lol
viral solstice
the staff left click doesnt have the big boi collision like the right click
dense ivy
Then my dodge didn’t get registered either and the crusher telefragged me
viral solstice
which is sad
but i have in general found it is pinpoint accurate so long as i uh, just kinda dont move my mouse and let enemies run into the shots
weary wasp
dense ivy
I can’t understand how dedicated servers are so much worse than peer 2 peer
I never had ghost hits issue in 1000 hours of clicking on rats
viral solstice
but if ur moving ur mouse while shooting it ur gonna have a bad time
weary wasp
All friends I played with in vt had utter shit ping so I can't complain
blazing oak
Pls no peer 2 peer I can’t go back to getting kicked out of every game I didn’t host because vt2 hates the steam deck
cyan notch
maybe u have bad ping to their servers
blazing oak
A lot of America is middle of nowhere
viral solstice
dense ivy
But I also was playing with fuckin Europeans in VT2 and managing better than when a Darktide server decides to die
viral solstice
it doesnt matter waht if reginald decides to show up
ur powerless before his might
dense ivy
Which is WAY TOO OFTEN
compact cargo
I can’t understand how dedicated servers are so much worse than peer 2 peer
Because they are shit servers
viral solstice
his sheer bad vibes. his negative energy
thats why they call him negative reginald
(no reg for short of course)
compact cargo
If fatshark paid for standard dedicated servers and didn't pay for 1 nad used it for 20 sessions...it wouldn't be this bad.
blazing oak
Imagine needing to aim - surge staff users
viral solstice
i mean these are aws data centres
i just blame emmanuel macron
idk how
but hes behind it
and he wont get away with it
dense ivy
God and just all the times enemies decide to attack then aol loading screen only to decide to shoot after your dodge finishes
blazing oak
i just blame emmanuel macron
Who?
dense ivy
On top of shooting while in point blank in general
viral solstice
dense ivy
Enemies were way more prolific in swapping to melee before this patch
cyan notch
i dont thin kthey changed anything
dense ivy
Now I’m getting shotgunners blasting me at point blank range after I smack them in the face and they don’t even flinch again
weary wasp
Gunner stopped hugging me with a shotgun to the gut so I'm happy
dense ivy
I also got Spartan kicked into a death pit by a flamer today
That’s unrelated it was just kind of funny
viral solstice
i dont thin kthey changed anything
they have a knob called "enemies doing fucked up shit" and every patch they just spin it to a new value
thats factual
i seen it
dense ivy
Idk where he even came from
blazing oak
Shotgunners smart to not switch to melee
dense ivy
Technically yes gameplay wise it’s AIDS
cyan notch
dregs dont switch they kinda just poke u with their gun
dense ivy
Stalkers are back to preferring ranged to melee too prior to this little patch for two glorious weeks they were actually favoring melee like their description says they do
blazing oak
Your fault for charging the shotgun I guess 
weary wasp
My answer to first sight of a shotty is always either slamming F on any class or t-posing with deflector
blazing oak
You did charge a shotgun.
viral solstice
just kill them
dense ivy
I just kill them because at this point they often miss the first shot and have a generous wind up
viral solstice
dense ivy
But when they decide not to get staggered or swap to melee and just blast me that’s very frustrating
cyan notch
push em
dense ivy
It does not feel fair it just feels like they broke the game again
blazing oak
Taste lead, loyalist
weary wasp
Some times game just hates you
blazing oak
Use Chainaxe it comes with built in stagger
dense ivy
No
vestal raven
dense ivy
I will not use the meme garbage
blazing oak
It’s not garbage
cyan notch
these guys looks like goofballs
dense ivy
It’s garbage
cyan notch
what are those shoulder pads
weary wasp
Chain axe is great at staggering one target. Too bad there are 20 more 
compact cargo
Chaxe is quite good.
blazing oak
No it’s not bad
compact cargo
Have you tried the optimal combo?
dense ivy
I don’t care that chain axe is usable for zealots with optimized blessings while ulting
compact cargo
With slaughterer and thrust?
dense ivy
I care that it does worse than everything that isn’t a knife or shovel for 99% of encounters
compact cargo
Psyker can 1 shot crushers too if you roll peril at 90%
blazing oak
Just because “shovel does it better” does not equate to “Chainaxe unusable”
dense ivy
And then I can suffer on poxwalkers for three minutes yaaaay
dense ivy
Just because “shovel does it better” does not equate to “Chainaxe unusable”
No shovel does it much worse
I’m saying the only weapons that do worse than chain axe are shovel and knife
compact cargo
Chaxe kills pox walkers faster than dueling sword if blessed correctly..
weary wasp
Just power sword
dense ivy
Dueling sword is only slightly above knife in dps why are you using that as a point of comparison
compact cargo
Specially with 4 slaughter stacks, where the light spam begins
blazing oak
Like force swords?
compact cargo
Sure then, it's comparable in hourde clear to old force sword
digital loom
the point of dueling sword is to grief your team as a hipster
dense ivy
Which is rendered fairly moot when they gave the same exact benefit to force swords that do way more damage
blazing oak
You solve the problem of bad melee horde clear weapon by using horde clear ranged weapon
compact cargo
Maybe a bit better since ur bash is killing 2-3 pox per
weary wasp
I never saw the appeal of dueling swords tbh
compact cargo
or you run purga yep
compact cargo
I never saw the appeal of dueling swords tbh
move tech
dense ivy
It had a tiny niche when there was only one force sword
Best mobility + defensive stats on a melee
dense ivy
Knife has better mobility but also garbage defensive stats
compact cargo
?
Before the fix you could do maps in under 9 minutes with bb/duel sword and knife (only one with move tech left)
weary wasp
Seeing people run around with knife and struggle to kill scab trash is kinda cringe tho
compact cargo
You went faster than max mob knife
dense ivy
Force sword is awful for sprinting even if it has good dodges, it’s not much of a niche
But that’s dueling swords niche
The stats it has except for damage
Of course you may think. Hey. Isn’t damage kind of really important
Well this is the company that thinks 25% vs flak that works on all damage dealt to flak armor is equal to 10% more weakspot damage only
Which doesn’t boost your damage by 10% either but more commonly 2-6% instead
blazing oak
More reasons why who cares about the specifics
compact cargo
Don't forget sprint efficiency...or crit chance at 5%
blazing oak
If nothing makes sense
dense ivy
Crit chance is good frankly
compact cargo
5% is only worth on 3 weapons in the entire game.
feral verge
yee
dense ivy
It’s a good “generally stronger” blessing if you don’t want to get specific boosts
compact cargo
Versus other choices.
weary wasp
+5 to default 10 is a 50% increase
4head
dense ivy
Base crit chance is 1 in 20 while raising it 5% makes it 1 in 10 which helps a lot of blessings actually work
dense ivy
It’s more impactful on vet because he just has 10% base crit chance so he pretty reliably crits
Maybe that’s just my VT2 talking but 5% crit chance matters a lot there when swift slaying is a thing there
compact cargo
Vt2 crit modifiers are better...so it's not only 1 class with crit builds
Mostly because base crit is 10
not 5
dense ivy
Also crits are good on purgatus
dense ivy
You’re throwing out so many attacks and crits apply double dots
compact cargo
Surge has a higher modifier last time I checked
feral verge
i live at high peril with warp nexus and i have 5% crit rate on it
weary wasp
most crits ive ever landed in a game was 1.7k
It's less about crit damage and more about double SB stacks
feral verge
i know that
weary wasp
Kekw
feral verge
alls i was saying was with purgatus specced into crits, i got 1.7k crits
wasnt saying anything about dmg
dense ivy
The actual attack damage is awful the DoT is what kills
weary wasp
Some say it's dead after dot nerf but I dont agree. It still melts
dense ivy
Yeah people are dumb
feral verge
its not dead
weary wasp
Tho the ult got hit hard
dense ivy
Don’t listen to them
spice veldt
mostly the soulblaze feats that were impacted by it
feral verge
purga got hit harder than flamer but purga is still good
dense ivy
There are people review bombing powersword for being nerfed
And it’s still the second best weapon in the game
compact cargo
so many people leaving rage reviews because they nerfed their brainless weapon usage
feral verge
There are people review bombing powersword for being nerfed
it's the vets being forced into learning how to melee
and they dont want to learn
dense ivy
And only because the Illisi exists and has the upside of being able to sprint while charging
compact cargo
dense ivy
it's the vets being forced into learning how to melee
YOU DONT EVEN HAVE TO DO THAT ITS SO AWFUL
weary wasp
I can't care less about PS nerf due to a God rolled one with power cycler. People should just get good
dense ivy
Powersword is still completely BRAINDEAD
feral verge
vet in general is braindead
cyan notch
people probably dont play purg if they think its dead it takes a total of 2 seconds of any brain activity to realise nothing much changed with purg
weary wasp
I like clicking heads tho
feral verge
that's why my vet is at level 11, since week one of the game coming out
and i havent looked back
dense ivy
Just special heavy special heavy special heavy and you stunlock everything you don’t kill and kill everything else
feral verge
but i am tempted to make a shotgun build
thts the only thing thats interesting to me
that i want to try with vet
cyan notch
yea idk bout that one
clear linden
are purge staffs with low dmg still good?
dense ivy
Like its base stats are better than almost every weapon in this game
weary wasp
New brown shotty with right blessings oneshots any elites in a body on max stacks. Minus ogres
dense ivy
I’m not even joking just go read the stats
feral verge
are purge staffs with low dmg still good?
the dmg stat isnt very important
you want high burn and cloud radius. burn should be 76% or higher
dense ivy
Base cleave weakspot modifier and base damage on the powersword are all flat better than a devil’s claw
cyan notch
LOL
cyan notch
cmon dont pick on devils claw like that
weary wasp
+damage perks still impact dot damage and I think so does the base, but to a lesser extent
dense ivy
Also you can get rampage and slaughterer on a powersword
feral verge
my purga has unarmored locked in
cyan notch
devils claw shouldnt even be in a comparison
dense ivy
At which point you are now performing the same as a brutal momentum axe or head taker heavy sword
Before you ever press the power button
weary wasp
I feel like devil claw needs more cleave damage
dense ivy
Vets need to get fucking good the class is so easy
weary wasp
Oh yeah.
feral verge
literally a skill issue
dense ivy
I have to re learn basic mechanics like not running into enemy fire after playing vet because unwavering focus is so strong
olive ember
crab loves the claw
feral verge
crabs have claws
dense ivy
Like I love playing Vet but he’s legit just playing his own game only tangentially related to Darktide
weary wasp
So I jumped into a game yesterday on a vet. There were two more with a las and auto, so I figured they will deal with shooters so I'll just switch to plasma. And guess what? NO THEY FUCKING DIDN'T
feral verge
vets have main character syndrome
dense ivy
Whenever I play vet I just make it my job to facefuck anything with a gun
And when I’m not playing vet and there’s a vet not doing that I get irrationally angry
feral verge
i want to say it was vet mains who were trying to make surge staff and shieldgryn meta for damnation, in the early days
cuz they wanted other classes just to enable them lol
weary wasp
I usually run maxed out headhunter with ghost and delete shooters
cyan notch
i dont think unpowered ps comes close to heavy sword
dense ivy
I run a stripped down braced auto
dense ivy
i dont think unpowered ps comes close to heavy sword
Try it (if you can I guess)
Rampage and slaughterer
weary wasp
Wish I had one with maxed strip
dense ivy
Two of the most busted blessings in the game
cyan notch
and also has ultra slaughter and ultra rampage
dense ivy
Just sitting on powersword
weary wasp
Hsword has more cleave even without any cleave blessings
dense ivy
Press special 1 time and you kill so much crap
Have stacks and do it and watch as the entire horde disappears it’s so dumb
weary wasp
And its still decent against armor