psyker-class

[olive ember]

smh

[hollow current]

I have these two already but I wish I could combine them. Keep the blessings on the right and the perks and modifiers on the left.

[olive ember]

ewww

camo pattern

[hollow current]

shut up. it looks like a gladius, it looks cool

[feral verge]

Yeah shameful drip

The shape is cool, but the paint job is embarrassing and horrible and bad

[hollow current]

I'm not a fan of deimos vanilla look.

[olive ember]

I didn't know the gladius was colored like a giraffe

[hollow current]

Yeah the paint is eh but the shape is sweet.

[feral verge]

I use the redwaste skin on it

Makes it look like an illisi

[spice veldt]

the illisi skin is more fitting on the deimos imo

wish the obscurus had a skin so I could slap that onto the illisi

[feral verge]

I thought so too

[spice veldt]

the wider blade being more indicative of sweeps and all that

since the illisi looks more like a rapier to me compared to the other force swords

[feral verge]

Deimos be looking kinda like a harpoon

[olive ember]

I mean the deimos and the illisi blades should be swapped

the thin blade for stabbing

and the funny curved blade for slicing

[feral verge]

Yee

I would if I could

[hollow current]

first draw lol

[feral verge]

Atleast the Deimos can get the illisi model

[feral verge]

That's really nice

It's like mine

I'm praying for you

That hadron doesn't brick it

[hollow current]

Flak for perk 1

[olive ember]

what is this staff skin

how do people use this thing

[hollow current]

it's trauma skin but any staff can use it

[feral verge]

it comes with one of the skins in the cosmetic shop

[hollow current]

@feral verge oof for the blessing

[olive ember]

ik

[feral verge]

id still roll it to legendary

[olive ember]

what I'm saying

[feral verge]

because its salvageable

[olive ember]

is that that skin looks like shit

why the fuck would you wanna use it

[hollow current]

[feral verge]

fuck hadron

f

[olive ember]

BAHAHA

Fucking deimos

[feral verge]

atleast you can buy 20 more swords

[olive ember]

deserved

[feral verge]

actually more than that, if you sell some ofthe bad rolls

[olive ember]

That weapon was destined to be shit

remember its not rng

[hollow current]

The last good one I rolled slaughter IV on

[olive ember]

its "unlocking its hidden potential"

one day they'll remove rng

right?

[hollow current]

it does feel like there's some sort of "fuck you" seed in the game sometimes. I rolled the exact same trash tier shit on 5 ripper guns for my ogryn last week

[olive ember]

maybe even let us unlock weapon

[feral verge]

one of a few of my deimos'

[olive ember]

dont even know cuz its all server sided

[feral verge]

by a few, i mean hundreds

i have crafted hundreds of deimos' for unstable 4

[olive ember]

but apparently they were "keeping an eye" on the rng aspects of crafting or wte

so maybe they'll remove the rng in a few

weeks? months? years?

[hollow current]

probably with a big content update

so like 1 to 1.5 years in the games life

[feral verge]

i am coping hard

[hollow current]

red weapons

[feral verge]

holding onto all of my failed legendaries

so maybe one day i can break them down to get all my plasteel back

my inventory is so fucking clogged lol

[hollow current]

I bought 10 more swords and they were all trash

[feral verge]

but hey, i dont need the $ from selling them

[snow coral]

is there a way to avoid the plague ogrine charge?

[hollow current]

I just block and take it

[snow coral]

I just kited one around a map while everyone else attacked it, so it worked, but unless agro was pulled it just kept coming

[spice veldt]

usually better to block and just eat the stamina consumption

but if you want to dodge it, you can just dodge sideways at the correct time

https://streamable.com/m56l7j

[hollow current]

I like doing the rat ogre back and forth with it.

[olive ember]

oh

he was giving actual advice

[cyan notch]

just eat it the thing without blocking

it does like 10 toughness damage

instantly healed from coherency

[olive ember]

Meh but blocking makes me feel stronk

[near wyvern]

Yes. It's going to suck until you hit 30 and get decent gear (staves).

[olive ember]

why else do you eat crusher overheads

[lament glen]

man fight it, weeny brain wizard VS hulking abomination, test of strength

[cyan notch]

it does a ton of peril damage if u block it

[olive ember]

is there a clip for

[cyan notch]

instantly 97

[olive ember]

how quickly you can kill an ogryn with deimos combo

out of curiosity

need to compare with thammer zealots

[near wyvern]

@unreal tapir once you are familiar with the Psyker, check out the Psyker Atheneum (it's in the pinned messages). Contains all the currently known information about Psykers that the game doesn't tell you.

[cyan notch]

1000dps

so about 32s

[near wyvern]

Plogryn charge? If you have even one +3 stamina curio it's face tankable. Does around 63 with one, down to around 25 with +9.

And when fighting the ogryn, if you dodge, always dodge to the right or directly back for everything else than the charge.

[cyan notch]

yea im not using any stam curios

[olive ember]

smh you mean you aren't running +9 stam psyker

can't believe it

[cyan notch]

i always just eat it without blocking or just block out of habit

better to let it stay close so team can nuke it down imo

[weak sapphire]

Hi

[near wyvern]

It was funny how I got mine. I had found only one +3 stamina curio during 350 hours of game play, complained about it here once and the next day when I opened shop, Brunt had one and Melk had one.

[cyan notch]

+3 stams are actually pretty easy to get i think

only requires 75 roll

but 17 toughness and 21 health need like 77 or 78 idk

[near wyvern]

But diff between 16 and 17 or 20 and 21 is quite marginal, where as +2 and +3 it's a lot. 50% more.

[weak sapphire]

Any good advice how to kill off the bots if I want to play solo? I need to get a facking achievement done.

[hollow current]

ledge them with a barrel

[spice veldt]

find some enemies and let them fight them until they run out of stamina/dodges and get killed

[near wyvern]

Aggro bunch of stuff and then hide behind a corner near enemies. The bots follow you around. Barrel is also an option.

[weak sapphire]

Thanks

[near wyvern]

Depending on the diff it might take a while tho. Sometimes those things are surprisingly durable.

[cyan notch]

they cant handle gunners or orgyns

[weak sapphire]

I'm still having problems getting my 5 bbs done. I was so happy over the new mods due to em spawning 3000 specials. But I always have John fucking Wick in my team.

[kind wing]

This worth getting and using?

[near wyvern]

Damnation hi gauntlet with kinetic barrage and warp battery is your friend.

[kind wing]

It looks pretty solid, even if Rending Shockwave isn't the best

[near wyvern]

You can get it even without forcing it in there

[spice veldt]

looks good

rending shockwave is nice if you have a modicum of trust in your teammates

[kind wing]

The Rending doesn't apply for yourself, does it?

[near wyvern]

Even if you get a shit roll it's very usable. Turn carapace into unarmoured and slap on warp flurry for the other blessing.

[kind wing]

I doubt it helps one-shot enemies

[weak sapphire]

Yeah I have specced accordingly and Im only playing damnation. Was hoping that I would "naturally" get it, but to no avail 😄

[spice veldt]

+rending is brittleness

which is an enemy debuff

which applies to all attacks to go to the enemy

including attacks from yourself

[kind wing]

Oh it just doesn't apply the extra damage on first hit then

[spice veldt]

it doesn't help with one-shots and does not apply to the first hit yeah

[kind wing]

Okay yeah makes sense

[spice veldt]

but it helps with followups and lasts for 5 seconds

[near wyvern]

It doesn't for Trauma since it ignores armour already but it helps your team to finish off that crusher on the floor and also helps your melee weapon. Makes a difference when you have 6 of them coming at you.

[spice veldt]

also mildly buffs the damage of brain burst against crushers

[kind wing]

Time to get it and put some work on it, ty

[near wyvern]

@kind wing Rending Shockwave mechanics are listed in the Atheneum

[kind wing]

Oh right the Atheneum, I keep forgetting to check it

Wish some people made one for Zealot instead of constantly arguing in there, smh

I should make my own, with blackjack and hookers

xd

[near wyvern]

Zealot Shrine (of Slaneesh)

[kind wing]

[gloomy yarrow]

Slaanesh is the worst god of the 4 my opinion is objectively correct

[tired jackal]

is all the warp sounds effects under the sound effect volume slider, sometimes its just so loud

[ruby plover]

interface settings

i think

[spice veldt]

yup

"Peril FX"

[tired jackal]

nice thx, could hardly hear the cc'ers spawn constantly at max peril n shit

[ruby plover]

yeah kind of a gamechanger

[cyan notch]

not 0%

[naive junco]

... just had an endless horde glitch on a low intensity. wtf

[tired jackal]

i went down to 50 to see whats up

[fierce sinew]

sometimes the AI director has a tummyache

[uncut sable]

unironically just keep this on one bullet and i can one tap most special enemies

reload isnt that slow so its got uptime

[weak sapphire]

I just got the 553 rating sword. Im thinking about keeping it as it is. I used the one with 509 rating earlier. Or should I change Unstable power IV for Slaughterer III?

[spice veldt]

if you want it as a direct upgrade to your current obscurus

though I'd personally change deflector into slaughterer

since it's not like your current obscurus is lacking except for the t3 deflector

so that's really only a 3% block eff difference

[weak sapphire]

Alright 🙂 Thanks. Also thinking about rolling for infested enemies instead of unyielding. What do you think?

[spice veldt]

that seems fine for hordeclear and whatnot

I'd personally go for +maniac since I hate mutants

[weak sapphire]

Ok 🙂

[feral verge]

maniac is a must have for me

because i too, abhor the mutant

im not posting this to brag

but to laugh at my teamwork score

of 16 lmao

cuz i didnt perform the scanner interrogator thing

[tough trail]

Wait till you realize what it measures

[feral verge]

i've never really payed attention, but i think thats the lowest teamscore ive gotten

on the new scoreboard

[tough trail]

Spoiler alert team score is uselesssss

Don't worry about it

[feral verge]

yee i figured

im guessing it's time on the objective

[tough trail]

Literally means you didn't pick up enough crafting materials lol

[feral verge]

oh yeah i dont go out of my way for them

i collect them when i see them

[spice veldt]

or the amount of time you held onto a med/ammo pack

[feral verge]

but im too laser focused on threats

[tough trail]

I'm pretty sure crafting materials are universally shared so as long as one guy on my team is a fiend for them i don't really care

[feral verge]

yeah they are shared

thankfully

that'd be cancer if they werent

[spice veldt]

i'd be running combat knife sprint eff otherwise

[feral verge]

welp... despite me not liking surge i made this

sick of spending mats trying to get t4 unstable power

ofc gonna get rid of barrage for warp nexus

whenever that drops

i aint gonna farm for it tho

[spice veldt]

smh not gonna waste mats for +4% power

[feral verge]

i've already spent 50k mats looking for it

over 50k

[naive junco]

its 4% per 20 peril stage

[feral verge]

been checking melks for over a month, too

im cursed

[feral verge]

he knows

its a 4% power difference between t3 and t4, in total

t3 is 16% power

t4 is 20%

damn i never noticed/knew this

you can see who the lightning is gonna arc to

they have an electric aura around them

it flickers

it's suble

[humble star]

good luck noticing that in hi int horde situation

still a cool detail

[nimble burrow]

Man I love using Trauma, but I always end up on stairs duty and want to cry

[uncut sable]

what range is critical peril?

or is it just at 100%?

[feral verge]

97% or higher

[uncut sable]

thanks

[feral verge]

np sibling

[spice veldt]

200iq avoid maps with stairs

or close your eyes with sections that have stairways

if you can't see them, they don't exist

[primal plume]

Hot Take. This trait Synergizes way better than Warp Unleashed on any staff. You get more casts and take advantage of the stacks way more than Warp Unleashed

used with this too

[feral verge]

but it doesnt synergize with quietitude, the best overall toughness regen feat

[spice veldt]

for pure staff usage, sure

[feral verge]

and it gimps your melee dmg

[hollow current]

I think voidstrike is the exception with the easy quell on head shot

[spice veldt]

but for brain burst and melee, the damage is non-negligible

[primal plume]

I hardly ever use Melee on psyker

[feral verge]

going pure staff usually aint the best

[spice veldt]

Inner Tranquility was meta before the WU buff for a reason

[primal plume]

I make pure staff work

[spice veldt]

you could, and that feat selection would work best for you

[feral verge]

i personally would only consider inner tranq potentially on trauma

[hollow current]

I use tranq on my trauma for the cc staying power

[spice veldt]

I spend most of my time in melee, so I'm going for WU

[feral verge]

same

[spice veldt]

and I sometimes unselect my lvl25 feat, so having WU to kill bulwarks is nice in two BBs

[feral verge]

i used to be almost pure staff

but have found im way more effective being mostly melee

[bold flint]

ooh neat, t4 emperors gifts

[feral verge]

t4, but its a devils claw

so its stil ltrash in the end

empra betrayed you

[spice veldt]

melee is much faster for pushing a map since enemies are generally spread apart, unless you're intentionally baiting and grouping them up to kill with trauma/purg

[feral verge]

i only use purga for groups, intermittent stunning and hordes

70% of the time i am melee

[spice veldt]

I only ever use trauma for a quick stun or if it's an unfavorable position to melee ranged enemies

[humble star]

Especially since we are now the best melee class

[hollow current]

I like using my deflector force sword to push into shooters and distract/bunch them for my teammates.

[spice veldt]

god bless the illisi

[feral verge]

that reminded me of this shieldgryn psyker i encountered lol

trying to block a horde of shooters (Which he could take), but they were shooting at all of us, not just him

[humble star]

You don't even need deflector for this tbh, just spam unlimited dodge and shooters miss most of everything anyways

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/j7gbqd

[humble star]

deflector is like how everyone used to think you needed to use shield on Ogryn

[feral verge]

POTATO CONFIG POTATO CONFIG SPOTTED

BAD PLAYER SPOTTED

[spice veldt]

you're a baked potato

deflector is still nice

since it is guaranteed safety

whereas there's still a period of vulnerability with dodge-sliding, especially if you're not comfortable with the timing

[hollow current]

Hey it's a nice crutch. Sometimes it feels like the shooters stagger their shots on you when they're deep.

[feral verge]

i love your movement

nonironically

it's better than mine

i can slide dodge and all that

but not like you

i gotta be like that

[bold flint]

didnt stop em from taking 2 morbillion damage from a barrel though

[humble star]

tbf so is dodge spam tho, that period of vulnerability is so small it's almost impossible for shooters to actually take advantage of

[spice veldt]

it's particularly impactful when your toughness got peeled by shooters

since your dodge will get interrupted in the interim if you're shot in that very slight moment between pressing dodge and the transition into the dodge

[humble star]

True, but that's more of a positioning fuckup

[spice veldt]

smh using dodge-slide to get to better positions instead of being a monkey

[humble star]

Which you can just spam dodge to get to cover quick anyways

[spice veldt]

i had to nerf myself of course; the world could not handle my full 100+ hp power

[humble star]

But taking it means I lose out on more damage thru blessings

[north cradle]

Is there any particular difference between Deathspitter and Fire Frenzy

[humble star]

isn't spit just a worse version?

same shit, but slightly worse

[spice veldt]

I think the difference is that deathspitter actually gives +power% but doesn't stack?

[humble star]

both stack up to 5 times

[spice veldt]

oh it stacks

[humble star]

nah it stacks now

they realized a single 6% powerboost for 1.25 seconds was ass

4 months after release

[bold flint]

it seems like deathspitter improves power at any distance when you get the close range kill

where fire frenzy only works against nearby enemies

thats about it

[spice veldt]

yeah the difference is that Fire Frenzy actually gives +damage% and Deathspitter gives +power%

[north cradle]

Wonderful, more tooltips I have to put an asterisk next to

[spice veldt]

just reading off of crab's messages

[spice veldt]

wow that's quite fast for fatshark

[bold flint]

fastshark

[north cradle]

Zoomfish

[humble star]

I wonder if that means it can increase the cleave of certain guns

never actually tested this

[spice veldt]

it should since the cleave stuff should work the same with guns

[humble star]

Lawbringer alt fire finally useful?

[spice veldt]

:o

shame that the kantrael exists though as it currently is

classic lawbringer L

[humble star]

kantrael shotgun just got that indirect nerf

although it still goes thru walls

[spice veldt]

ah right burn

[feral verge]

I need to get no respite

Cuz so far, without it the shotguns feel meh, to me

I tried both the agri and kant

[humble star]

I'm either perma reloading, or always out of ammo with them. Fun gameplay

10/10

[feral verge]

My agri rolled 10% reload speed

[bold flint]

is that good

[feral verge]

Seems worth it to me

A lot of time is spent reloading

I put 25% flak on it too

[humble star]

a LOT of time

makes me want to see if I can do it faster IRL

[feral verge]

I might put maniac on it instead

But then again idk

[near wyvern]

I can do it faster with my semi auto, but that is loading 2 and shooting 2

[feral verge]

Based

First gun I bought was an Ithaca model 12 trench gun

[near wyvern]

If you load 1 and shoot 1 it's actually quite close to the in game animation speed

[feral verge]

What model is your semi

I want a browning auto 5

I like old models

[near wyvern]

Some old Browning I got from my dad, 12/70

[feral verge]

Nice

Heirlooms are beautiful

[near wyvern]

Yup, it's just seen some seawater. Nothing too crazy but should take it to a gunsmith for polishing up. It's still very doable to put almost into original state.

But internals work so haven't really done it

It's mainly a tool not a piece of art

[feral verge]

Refinishing is fun

I did that with one of the .22s my grandfather gave me

[daring nexus]

Just got slaughterer 4 on an illisi

I could cry

[feral verge]

Based

Congrats sibling

[near wyvern]

Sweet. Illisi with Slaughterer 4 goes woosh.

[daring nexus]

It’s times like this that I love the casino 🥲

[feral verge]

What is the legend of Mr Boston?

[humble star]

Just as fartshart intended

[daring nexus]

Feels like a damn TCG

[feral verge]

I live 20 miles from Boston and have heard of no such thing hmmmmmm

[daring nexus]

Mr Boston was that crazy white dude from the VH1 reality show “I love new York”

[past brook]

out of curiosity, is either the illisi force sword or the power sword(s) faster to activate and take a heavy swing, or do both pretty much take the same amount of time?

[feral verge]

Oo

[daring nexus]

The illisi feels fast as fuck

[spice veldt]

illisi is faster i believe

the 1st heavy definitely comes out faster

[feral verge]

Y'know what's awesome? Both the illisi and Deimos are good

Idk usually with these patches you expect one to suck, and the other to be the go to pick

[spice veldt]

and it's fast enough to stagger ragers with light-specials repeatedly without getting hit; whereas attempting to spam light-specials with power swords is not fast enough to stagger ragers before they can get an attack off

[feral verge]

Feels nice that's not the case

[daring nexus]

Sometimes the illisi feels so fast it looks like spamming push attacks with the knife

[spice veldt]

though the obscurus did get left in the dust unfortunately

yeah esp if you QQ cancel the 1st heavy

[feral verge]

I wonder if they'll do anything about the obscurus

[daring nexus]

I feel like the obscurus could be slept on

[feral verge]

Maybe if they made the obscurus not get stuck in an enemy on the special

[daring nexus]

It’s attacks theoretically have the same damage as the illisi but it’s just got worse attack patterns

[feral verge]

It would give it a case

[spice veldt]

although I hate light-spamming, i do occasionally do lights if the enemy is going to die in a single light; and that 2nd light really fucking sucks

the timing on the 2nd heavy also got changed with the patch and is different from the Illisi's 2nd heavy for some reason, so my muscle memory gets fucked

[humble star]

Thus, it gets slept on for simply being a downgrade currently

I hate how new marks just invalidate the old ones when introduced.

[feral verge]

Obscurus is good. Just not as good as the others

[humble star]

yup

[feral verge]

But it isn't bad. I maintain that

[daring nexus]

I think if your very comfortable with the move set you could use it to great effect but it’s just awkward

[humble star]

ofc you could use it and do good, it's still a force sword

was one of Psyker's best weapons before even getting buffed

[daring nexus]

The demos has better attack pattern and thus better hoard clear

[kind wing]

Does Sustained Fire even work on Trauma Staff RMB?

[ruby plover]

guys i keep missing deflector

[past brook]

I swear they tweaked something with the obscurus moveset timing, for some damn reason I feel like the time between the l3 stab and looping back into l1 uppercut got increased dramatically since I last used it

[feral verge]

What needs buffing the most rn is dueling swords. Almost completely left in the dust

[spice veldt]

the duelling swords are the dust

[humble star]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-no-no-40k-gif-24271093

[kind wing]

Thank you, Saltzpyre

[daring nexus]

I don’t think there’s a clear way to make the dueling swords as fun as the force swords

[feral verge]

More damage

[kind wing]

Give it a gun on the other hand

[feral verge]

Give insane crit/weakspot damage

[humble star]

also give them the ability to oneshot a mutie on headshot

[spice veldt]

better crit

[feral verge]

Make dueling swords more like saltz rapier

[spice veldt]

fatshark is really afraid of making crit good

[daring nexus]

Those are just numbers, the cool thing about the force swords is how much cool stuff they introduce to the kit aside from just attacking

[feral verge]

My ideal would be a force dueling sword

[humble star]

believe me, if any of the dueling swords hit as hard as a deimos. They would be plenty fun

[feral verge]

Kinda like the deimos...

[past brook]

how is crit handled anyway? is it standard RNG crit, like crit in Division 2 or smth, or is it weighted in some way? I vaguely remember it being weird in VT2, not sure if that carries over

[spice veldt]

yeah the stabs do basically the same damage as the overheads

[hollow current]

I used the Mac V before switching over to deimos.

[spice veldt]

crit deals full damage to the first target hit in a cleave, but the crit multiplier drops for any target beyond that

exceptions apply to the cleave specials of the power sword and illisi which deal the full crit damage to the first three targets instead of just the first

there might be other exceptions that I don't know of

[past brook]

what about crit chance?

[daring nexus]

It’s interesting to me how crazy people have gone over the illisi and it’s not really talked about how the demos is like one of the nastiest crusher,mauler, mutie killers in the game

[past brook]

illisi doesn't stick, and therefore stands out from the other two force swords
plus it's cool to lop the heads off a horde

[humble star]

Deimos having the same weapon special as the obscurus is kind of a waste IMO. Especially since you really don't need or want to use it

[feral verge]

Mutie hunting with the Deimos is my favorite thing in the game. Hands down

[spice veldt]

I'm not sure about crit chance% in general, but I know that it's handled very weirdly for automatic weapons in that you can get "strings" of crits, where if a shot crits, then the next # of shots will crit

[digital loom]

i dont have one that can one shot muties yet

its on my todo

[spice veldt]

so automatics end up having a higher effective crit chance than what it is listed

[hollow current]

I want to get a deimos with maniac + unyielding and slap the scab bosses with it after getting slaughter 4 warmed up.

[humble star]

Do it quick before it gets neutered

[feral verge]

Pygex changed the way I played the game with that video lmfao

I thought illisi was my favorite, until I saw it

[digital loom]

it shouldnt have to take a video

[feral verge]

I didn't realize deimos could do that

[past brook]

it's absolutely awesome

[humble star]

Those 2 seconds are gonna be big damage

[feral verge]

I think I saw ppl mention it in chat before the video

But I didn't realize

[daring nexus]

They really gave the pskyer two melee weapons that put the zealot to shame

Feels like what the class was really missing all along

[feral verge]

I'd play zealot a whole lot more if they had a dueling sword/rapier type weapon

[past brook]

where's that deimos quack video, it's great

[hollow current]

I think it does roughly 20% of the captain's health without the unyielding perk

[feral verge]

It's the only other class I've taken to 30

https://youtu.be/CphpuX_KXmU

Oops

Wrong vid

[digital loom]

oh ok you're new

[humble star]

u WEENer

[digital loom]

yeah then its totally understandable, have a nice day

[feral verge]

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10

[past brook]

ah ya there it is

[feral verge]

What's ironic is

I'm the first comment featured in the video

The first detractor lol

[lethal helm]

Im pretty happy rn

[feral verge]

I would be too

Congrats

[lethal helm]

thanks

may the luck go to you as well

[feral verge]

All's I need is unstable power 4

Spent over 50k plasteel trying to get it

Checking melk's for over a month

I'm cursed

[hollow current]

delete all your non pysker chars and make them into psykers

[feral verge]

I have a psyker alt

But that means playing malice difficulty

By level 9 I said fuck this lol

(malice and heresy are harder than damnation because of the players)

[hollow current]

I made one for Slaughter IV but it popped up on my main 2 days after I leveled the alt.

[feral verge]

Rip

[hollow current]

I got warp flurry IV for surge tho on the alt so I guess that's neat.

[quasi pier]

I've got like 200 hours on psyker and just upgraded to slaughterer 3 like last week 🙃

[humble star]

Yeah, having 0 way to just simply upgrade the tier of blessings is pretty dumb

IDC if it would cost 5k plasteel, would rather have the option instead of waiting for milk to bless me.

[feral verge]

Damn

I got over 500

No slaughterer 4, no unstable 4

[hollow current]

or 10k diamantine to unlock one of the locked slots.

maybe 2k

but ain't doing shit with it

[quasi pier]

Yep, simply the rng of trying get the stats you want on a weapon and then 1 blessing and perk you want is wayyy more than enough rng

[feral verge]

I am coping hard

[humble star]

literally any system more deterministic than the current one

[feral verge]

I'm saving all of my failed force swords. All 300+ of them

[quasi pier]

After that you should be able to upgrade your blessings and perks with more mats

[feral verge]

In the hopes that I can dismantle them some day for plasteel

[hollow current]

damn. I rolled a slaughter IV on a deimos I upgraded from grey. Actually the one I use rn.

[hollow current]

yeah they need to tone down on the rng aspect at some point. it's just awful

[idle bay]

I got myself today good 377 Surge staff with really good distribution. Bricked it ofc..... 2 bad perks and 1 trash blessing already. Karking RNG

[humble star]

This would also be a way to up play time from us addicts. I'd 100% be more tempted to play if I knew I could upgrade my slaughterer 3 simply by grinding plasteel without RNG

[hollow current]

I think I only have 3 of the t4 force sword blessings. slaughter, blood thirsty which I rolled by chance before the nerf and I forgot the third.

[quasi pier]

Yep, I've been saying since the beginning every aspect of weapon attributes should upgrade or be upgradeable with time played. 0 rng

This is not the right game for rng

[humble star]

old fashioned bloodthirsty on the Deimos... what could've been

[quasi pier]

It's not an mmo, not a looter shooter

[hollow current]

[quasi pier]

The greatest reward I'm looking forward to from this "crafting system" is when I stop interacting with it

[humble star]

I farm enough plasteel to get another FS to orange. If the blessings are shit, I just sigh and turn the game off for another day.

yet I keep coming back. I have a problem

Still cuts down on my play hours tho

[hollow current]

But yeah, it's total horse shit that there's rng at hourly shop and brunts. There's rng in the stat distribution. Then you need to roll it 4 times and hope that at least 2 of the upgrade are something you want/can use. Then you can fill in a hole with your preferred perk and if you're lucky, a blessing you already have. Otherwise you're held hostage by rng for a blessing to drop whenever it feels like it.

I swear the next tide game is going to have paid gacha mechanics.

[quasi pier]

Imagine if leveling up, during the pointless cut scenes , instead the npc gifts you a new weapon type you just unlocked. "Alright now, you've earned my trust. I've been waiting for the right person to give this to. Take care of it, and it'll take care of you." Then you never have to buy another of that type you just keep playing and upgrading its stats and blessings

[hollow current]

I'd settle for sacrificing two weapon and picking/choosing what you want to make a giga weapon.

[autumn moth]

no you can't get rid of random loot how will you bait in psychologically-vulnerable peopel

[hollow current]

But that's because like @feral verge I have dozens of weapons I raised to orange that are collecting dust because hadron let her ogryn apprentice fiddle with it.

[feral verge]

I have so many legendaries

My inventory is filled with legendaries, and greys waiting to become legendary

[slate oasis]

yeah the weapon crafting/obtaining system being designed to waste your time is super scummy. easily the worst aspect of the game

[quasi pier]

"one should not attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity or ignorance"

The itemization was rushed and a complete afterthought. That's the reason it's shit, full stop

[humble star]

Is there a cap to the inventory? I'm surprised you haven't hit it yet

[feral verge]

I've been wondering that myself

[humble star]

Going to take you 10 mins to scroll down to the bottom if RNG keeps being that bad

[quasi pier]

Don't quote me on it, but I thought I heard of issues after 1000 or so inventory

[spice veldt]

my curio inventory has an extremely low frame rate

well not frame rate, but the scrolling is ridiculously laggy

[feral verge]

My inventory is so cluttered that I use weapon skins to 'save' any weapon I'm interested in upgrading/keeping for later

The vast majority are for t4 farming, and I don't actually want them for any build

[humble star]

Are you really trying if your inventory doesn't crash your game?

[slate oasis]

when it's a company that wants money and player retention at any cost it's pretty safe to assume some level of malice. especially when these people have made two other games of the same type

[quasi pier]

What you're saying would be true if rng was the only way to get player retention

[quasi pier]

The real issue is that they didn't put thought of effort into it because they ran out of time

[feral verge]

🤔

[quasi pier]

They could have developed a better system and player retention would be much higher than what it has been

[slate oasis]

rng isn't the only way, but it contributes. they could easily make it where Hadron doesn't lock one perk/blessing and make crafting your perfect item way easier while still requiring a grind for mats, but they deliberately didn't

[safe crystal]

Thats a choice they made because they wanted to get the game out just before christmas. Thats entirely on them for not having time, they could've delayed it after the betas for example when they had a lot of feedback from whoever played saying the game felt like shit aside from in-mission.

[vestal raven]

@feral verge would be proud

[quasi pier]

Yea, the thing rng has going for it is its the lazy approach. That's why I say all of this is because they rushed it out, not because they were "trying to increase player retention"

[feral verge]

Yea that thing is gonna fuck

[slate oasis]

I thinks that's giving a bit too much benefit of the doubt. yes it was rushed, but that doesn't mean there weren't deliberately manipulative design choices made. case in point: Hadron locking things on items, which was added later and has no reason to exist other than wasting the players time
and the only reason to waste a player's time is to keep them playing

[idle bay]

There should "True names" mod.

1. Adds - "early access" everywhere (there are already mod for it - but it adds Closed Beta instead of Early Access).
2. Changes Entreat Hadron to Hadron Casino
3. Consecrate changes to "Brick your weapon or curio"

[quasi pier]

I agree with you that the locks are to slow down item progression, but it's a symptom of the bigger problem not malicious manipulation. Without the locks it would be trivial to get whatever weapon right now. Like 4 or 5 damnation matches would essentially get you everything you need to make the BiS anything. Aka like 2 hours of game time

[spice veldt]

assuming that you have the blessings unlocked

[quasi pier]

Assuming you're level 30 playing damnation you probably have seen minimum level 2 of almost every vlessing

And without lock you still just craft your headtaker rampage heavy sword in 2 hours and upgrade it whenever

[spice veldt]

i mean they could lower the mat gain to compensate for that

for me, the chance component is the problem, not the time investment

[quasi pier]

Yep they could but none of this is thought out which is my whole point.

[spice veldt]

sure, but then you bring in the topic of it being "trivial to get whatever weapon right now", and that's what I'm addressing

if they change one aspect of the crafting system, then it goes that another aspect can be changed

[slate oasis]

you're literally saying they added manipulative time wasting progression in order to artificially keep players playing for longer, aka player retention. this is exactly what I'm also saying lol

[idle bay]

Simply implementing "Downgrade back to grey" solves locks problem. In a way that still may require a lot of re-tries to get desired item.'

[quasi pier]

Literally all I'm saying is: this system is shit, and it's not because "fatshark did rng for player retention," it's because they rushed the game and put almost no development time into the itemization

[spice veldt]

that much I agree with

anyways, they can always lower the mat gain to compensate for releasing the locks

[quasi pier]

Yea I think this will eventually happen

[spice veldt]

at least for either the perks or blessings

I don't expect them to release the locks on both if it ever happens

[quasi pier]

Or just add another Hadron button that costs x and then the locks are gone

[vestal raven]

tons of fun

removes alot of nonsense from my screen

crushers/mutants

BEGONE

[river sand]

the randomness of blessings / perk is kinda ok. for me the main problem is i dont get good bases. i spend like 100-150k per day at brunts and i see one 370+ every few days ....

[fallow falcon]

PAIN

[forest coral]

Weeklies done?

[fallow falcon]

Yup

Got something else the other day

Think it was a blaze away for the shredder

[forest coral]

It will come around again one day.

Eventually

:soon

[uneven drift]

Emprah truly want me to be a gun psyker.

[river sand]

by giving you a mediocre rolled revolver with shitty blessing/ perk ?

[uneven drift]

Yes, as always.

[vestal raven]

happy days just got slaughter 4

[river sand]

gz

[devout belfry]

I'm so glad the force swords share a blessing bank.

But God damn I wish we could roll any slot forever lol

[visual gorge]

Congrats I am still shooting for that one myself but I don't want to screw my team mates over to do it you know?

[rigid sky]

Do it at the entrance door on Malice Comms-Plex on Malice, just let your team know

It barely even slowed my random team down @visual gorge

The entrance of the mid-mission event I mean

[west galleon]

Oh wait going out with a bang is the flex?

I did that one by chance with some randos, hab dreyko is the best map for that imo

[tepid umbra]

If I buy this, can I refine all 3 perks as much as I want, or will 2 of them get locked?

[west galleon]

Very close corridors

[west galleon]

In your heart of hearts, what do you think is the most likely?

[tepid umbra]

Guessing game gonna go ahead and lock 2 of em for me, but I would hope not

[steel egret]

It will lock 2

[west galleon]

Unfortunately your guess is right, im coping about it

[ember sentinel]

anything you guys would change about this sword other than t4 blessings/perk?

[forest coral]

deflector to slaughteror

[meager cedar]

Is anyone running the True Peril mod at the moment? How are you finding it? Not having the 97% crit peril thing to go off is either throwing me or making me way more efficient and I can't tell either way

[forest coral]

carapace to either flak or unyielding

[uneven drift]

SlaughteROAR.

[forest coral]

i made silly spelling error

[ember sentinel]

does it not just murder flak anyway?

[forest coral]

i deserve to peril explode

[ember sentinel]

i havent used it before

[forest coral]

for consistent one taps

and to one tap flak trash units with light attacks

[ember sentinel]

ah ok

[forest coral]

carapace isnt a bad choice

[uneven drift]

What this mod do tho?

[forest coral]

there's jsut not really enough targets to justify it imo

[ember sentinel]

i can BB carapace anyway

tbh

[forest coral]

exactly

and sword thrust kinda 2 shots maulers anyway

without it

[ember sentinel]

one shot with almost any amount of peril

[forest coral]

yup

[ember sentinel]

whats the best horde clear combo for it? Ik thats illsi job but at some point i will probably be fighting a group of enemies at melee

[meager cedar]

It seems to give you exact peril down to 2 decimal places exactly as it's getting used

[forest coral]

honestly u can get away with just light attacks

[meager cedar]

So like with de-periling you see that the drop in peril is instant rather than a gradual/rapid decrease

[forest coral]

otherwise heavy one> light one> heavy etc

[ember sentinel]

is it like MK 5 Axe where the damage is so fast i can just dodge circle + push the horde and one shot everything

basically

[forest coral]

pretty much

[meager cedar]

It's kind of interesting, you end up seeing far less numbers so it seems like it's easier to manage peril exactly

[ember sentinel]

ok

[meager cedar]

But I'm no super psyker so I'm not sure if it's just some placebo effect

[ember sentinel]

ty for help im only really getting into the game recently

[forest coral]

think of it like saltspyres weapons

cleave is low but damage is so good

• attack speed is f a s t

so it handles well in most small and medium horde

[uneven drift]

Sounds lie prohibited thing if it's changing your gameplay, but whatever. Like if it make quell faster. But, i guess it's just matter of preference and what you get used to.

[forest coral]

dense horde you'll want staff or something else

[ember sentinel]

makes sense

[forest coral]

the stuff you can pull off with this sword is juicy

https://streamable.com/avz2yb

[ember sentinel]

i was just gonna stick to illsi forever cause its my fav melee weapon but i couldnt turn down that roll lol

[meager cedar]

Nah it doesn't change the actual quell rate or anything, it just gives more accurate numbers

Sort of like the damage breakdown when you inspect a weapon, only immediate

It's on the nexus so I assume it's fair game

[forest coral]

illisi busted but deimos does have its niche if you want individual things to die even quicker

[summer prairie]

Kurperdole: When you quell, peril doesn't actually go smoothly from the starting value to the value when you stop, but rather every tick (~275ms or whatever) instantly goes from the starting value to a lower value. Normally the game doesn't display this jump but rather presents it as a smooth decay over time.

[ember sentinel]

Yeah ive seen both hold there own on damnation

[summer prairie]

So if you are at 100 peril with BB and quell the shortest possible time (a single tick), your peril instantly goes from 100 to 91.xx

Without the mod it's actually safe to start channeling BB again as soon as you see the numbers dropping from 100, even if it shows 98 or 99 briefly

that's only for active quelling though, passive quelling works differently I believe

[meager cedar]

Having the accurate numbers makes me feel way more efficient with the surge staff but I dunno if the 97% crit peril threshold looks the same

[summer prairie]

97.00 kills you

[meager cedar]

Okay, cool

I was worried the numbers might be thrown off a little so I appreciate the confirmation it's the same

Active quelling even for a half second or so drops it to 81% so I can keep up surging without too much worry

Probably depends on the staff too, I suppose, might have to test others

[summer prairie]

The tick length is the same for everything I think, the amount quelled just varies based on the stat

Oh here it is min_vent_time_fraction = 0.2

or vent_interval = 0.25 actually and then perhaps 0.2s fractions afterwards

[meager cedar]

I suppose it's a little less important on staves that require charging to be good, since you're never gonna get good damage inside that tiny window

Might have to turn down the psyker fx if I'm throwing zaps out at near 100% all the time though

[potent echo]

The illisi can definitely carry any situation, it made my revolver build feel good to play even though I'm pretty sure it's actual doodoo

[west galleon]

Illisi makes me not dread being surrounded anymore

I cant one shot muties on damnation but im damn near close and if latency doesnt fuck me they cant touch me too

[slate oasis]

since I have to pick only one for now, is unstable power or slaughterer better for the deimos?

[summer prairie]

if you use it for horde at all slaughterer is better. Maybe even if you don't

[cyan notch]

slaughterer is better imo

its just too good

helps your blaze too

cast then poke zombos in the face instant super damage

[weak sapphire]

Psykers. I need help. I have problem finding a team for psyker heresy/damnation penances. I'm only playing on damnation but with randoms. If anyone needs more teammates in Darktide and don't mind exchanging favours please send a message. Sorry for posting here but you are the only ones who can feel my pain. Ill remove this message shortly.

[idle bay]

Have you tried LFG channel?

[weak sapphire]

Yes.

[wet belfry]

Are you NA or EU?

[idle bay]

There are no more beter options. Sadly

[weak sapphire]

EU

[wet belfry]

Which penaces?

[weak sapphire]

I'll dm you 🙂

[ornate hamlet]

some lads and i managed to do pick and mix for another lad and my whatever-it-was 90% boss damage

[blazing oak]

@weak sapphire I have a group for this

I’ll add you to it and you can add anyone you’re working with

[weak sapphire]

Thanks Ill dm you. Also sorry for derailing the psyker channel. I have contact with Wilmer and Ice now so Im satisfied 😄

[steel flame]

isnt the darktide community great. dartide getting review bombed for nerfing vet

truly the community coming together

[ornate hamlet]

i am currently part of the community and im not doing that, so...

cant really look at people doing dumb shit and go "community bad"

[frail summit]

retards gonna retard

[idle bay]

Teamwork in coherency! Uncapable of doing it in game - but doing it outside the game 🙂

[cyan notch]

your bad

[ornate hamlet]

[cyan notch]

dude

u gotta stop

@ornate hamlet u have changed your pfp like 4 times now

[ornate hamlet]

i am in the creative process

interrupt me and perish

[cyan notch]

dont think i dont know where its from either

u gotta stop

SEEK HELP

[ornate hamlet]

but sir

i am pagliacci

[idle bay]

Siblings i'm in doubt. I have a nice picture of my amazing cat, but there is mine ugly mug in there are well, even in-game ogryns looks better than me. Do i still post it in #pet-tide ?

[cyan notch]

yes

[slate oasis]

you could just censor your face if you're self conscious

[idle bay]

Blur only makes it more horryfing 🙂

[olive ember]

just cut it out ez pz

or with the power of ms paint

funny black blob

[idle bay]

On second though cat's image not so clear ... though he have hillarious face expression 🙂

[blazing oak]

@ornate hamlet while I have to commend you for using the obviously correct spelling of “impostor”, I have to sentence you for heresy for making among us references in your profile description

[weary wasp]

Was the soul blaze nerf intentional?

[cyan notch]

yes

[weary wasp]

F

Well, more power to surge

[idle bay]

With Illisi and Surge i noticed that a spend 95% time running and poking and chopping, and only 5% using surge staff on packs of Scabs in position too uncomfortable to run to and kill in melee or to stop the push of Crushers + Ragers + Bulwarks.

[weary wasp]

I used to carry surge to deal with spread out shooters

[idle bay]

If only scabs. With dregs it's a waste of few minutes..... Faster to zap once for stun and then break distance and start killing

[blazing oak]

With dregs you zap to bring them out of cover and pop their heads with the primary fire

[weary wasp]

Works fine when fully charged, just doesn't one shot. I ran maxed out crits

[blazing oak]

I’m much more staff focused, I play it like a battlemage, mixing melee and surge

Stun everything is how I play

[idle bay]

The more i feel comfortable with a sword the less and less i use staff

[blazing oak]

That’s good then for you. But I enjoy using the staff because I like playing support so I use it

[idle bay]

You can support team in both ways 🙂

[blazing oak]

What sucks though is when there’s a pack of bulwarks and other melee elites and then I have to stop stunning them as they reach my team because no one cleared behind us and I have to waste time doing that

[weary wasp]

There is little point on using surge on full trash horde

[blazing oak]

Yes, but I find satisfaction in “enabling” my team rather than just doing it myself

[weary wasp]

But stunning elites is a Chad move

[blazing oak]

True, UNLESS you are stunning the front few to keep them within the Vet’s grenade radius

[limpid lily]

yikes I got this psyker I played with who said all this after we said gg's

[blazing oak]

Send them to the black ship

[limpid lily]

some ppl I swear, and he didnt even do that well according to scoreboard

[weary wasp]

Muh meta

[idle bay]

Surge to spot the push, or hold the Mutant, or push away ~~Cockthirster ~~Poxburster , or delete pack of Scabs far away, or 50/50 to stop the karking bugged poxhound that now almost unstannable by Surge. And for everything that SUrge are not that effective - it's better spend time to kill it melee 🙂 Dead enemy is even better than stunned enemy 🙂

[blazing oak]

This is why I don’t use scoreboard. Not to harp on anyone else, but because I’ll feel like a total piece of shit useless bastard if I don’t score top in 75%+ of the stats

[idle bay]

telling name 🙂

[limpid lily]

yeah no kidding xD

[limpid lily]

I usually dont really care at all but it's funny to look at for scenarios like this

[blazing oak]

Scabs die so I’m doing both to them

[idle bay]

Dreag are the issue though. The most irretating sound in the game that even beats poxound sounds - is burst fire of dreg shooters....

[blazing oak]

True. I wish they recovered from stun less quickly because i swear I don’t have the time to charge another surge before they start shooting

But the strat with them is surge, shoot heads, advance, surge, shoot heads, advance, melee

[idle bay]

So i just charge ahead and murder karkers with a sword 🙂 Sliding and Deflector helps

[blazing oak]

The difference between spellblade and battlemage play styles

[idle bay]

Previously i was using LMB spam on Surge with Run and Gun blessing to kill few, and suppress rest while i breking distance to chop thier heads off with and axe.

[blazing oak]

And that’s great, the play style diversity is good

[weary wasp]

Deflector saved my ass so many times. Total clutch tool vs shotgunners

[blazing oak]

I just prefer using the staff more than you do :)

Deflector needs to reinstate the revival deflect and needs sniper deflection imho

[idle bay]

I'm just get a bit tired of using it.. after all those hours 🙂

[blazing oak]

And the refusal to switch to a lesser staff

[idle bay]

~1200 missions with most of them on Psyker....

[blazing oak]

#bring back revival deflect

[blazing oak]

By the throne…

So. What should be done with Obscurus

Now that Deimos and Illisi have kicked it to the curb

[idle bay]

Put it on shelf 🙂

[blazing oak]

I mean balance wise

My suggestion? Turn the Deimos into a spear

[idle bay]

Balance wise it have no use

[blazing oak]

But that’s not gonna happen

[blazing oak]

As in how would you change it!

[idle bay]

Make it's special equal to BB for feats and effects with added explosion

[limpid lily]

I mean I wouldnt say Obscurus has no place, it's like, a middel ground, it has a pretty good cleave-y combo and good single-target capabilities with its special, whereas Illisi great for horde-clear and deimos's great at signle target

[idle bay]

And Obscurus does have use - as non-meta weapon to give yourself extra challenge

[limpid lily]

then again, middle grounds are middlegrounds

[rare furnace]

EXTERMINATUS ADEPTUS BORDER LETS GOOO

and knife from emp…

[weary wasp]

Special on fs is kinda weak overall. A heavy poke on new FS hits harder than heavy special

And it doesn't even stun when you need it to

[rare furnace]

The poke is full melee

Combat psyker

Oneshots mutant

[blazing oak]

Still want a force spear though

[cyan notch]

i mean the poke is really good

but it doesnt hit harder than special

[weary wasp]

I'll show in a hour. But I also run full armor shred

Special is not affected by it

[cyan notch]

well yea in that specific situation

you dont need to show me

[weary wasp]

Which is kinda dumb ngl

[ornate hamlet]

is it a bad thing that at first i thought the deimos was the horde one because i could use a heavy light combo of diagonal slashes on hordes?

[cyan notch]

nope

its one of the reasons why obscurus is mid in comparison

since u still have a heavy light horde combo along with better light horde combo

[blazing oak]

Anyone else feel like the Obscurus animation is just the psyker flailing around before stabbing with it

That’s how I felt while using it

[weary wasp]

Its theatrics

[devout belfry]

Eh. With the flak armor changes it's hard to not use surge and the new Force sword. All the perks can synergize perfectly. Everything else is janky.

[ornate hamlet]

its like giving a fencer a rapier and telling them to slash with it

[blazing oak]

Which perks?

[ornate hamlet]

and they just flail around unaware of how to use the instrument incorrectly

[devout belfry]

Especially toughness on force kill. Since the new sword alt fire is free real estate.

[ornate hamlet]

you mean illisi or deimos?

[devout belfry]

Ignore soulburn build.

[weary wasp]

But purgatus is toughness on every soul blaze kill

[devout belfry]

Illisi.

[ornate hamlet]

i think they fixed the warp kill thingy for illisi at least, which is pretty dope

[devout belfry]

Surge actually kills flak and armor.

Purge is just weak now. Especially with the meh range.

[ornate hamlet]

only problem with the warp kill is that its forgettable on hordes if the player knows how to manage it and it cannot passively be procced by communion

[devout belfry]

Might as well just whip out the force sword.

[cyan notch]

purge is the same

[weary wasp]

That's why you use melee or bb for armor. It's just other side of the coin

[ornate hamlet]

so for ranged battles you probably eat more than the maybe 16-ish toughness you can get by exposing yourself for a bb

[devout belfry]

It covers more bases. Goes through cover, cc, shits on armor, longest range, etc.

[ornate hamlet]

and you need to actively farm your toughness

[devout belfry]

I still prefer toughness on quell.

[ornate hamlet]

toughness on warp charge is the one im using now because i got a dueling sword and a headhunter

[weary wasp]

You can stun anything in range with purgatus. Easy to disabled shooters as long as they are in range

[ornate hamlet]

if luck doesnt give me it, i ult and do a quick burst

[devout belfry]

Yeah with the charge chance on ally kill is hype. But it just feels way more consistent with quell.

Though I have a soulburn illisi build that's fun lol

[blazing oak]

Toughness on quell so I can sit in a corner under cover

[devout belfry]

4 stacks on crit and crit chance on chain and 5 percent base increased lol

Not optimal but I need to keep it fresh.

[ornate hamlet]

quietitude is great to run around solito and bumping into a crowd of shooters

[weary wasp]

The best use of purgatus is extra dense hordes. Enough frags to just keep your peril going down on sheer kills alone

[devout belfry]

I just don't find any hordes on damnation ever that dense that it's worth taking it instead of something more useful.

[blazing oak]

Quietitude also good for clutches with lots of shooters so you can regenerate toughness before killing more shooters

[cyan notch]

hordes are often mixed hordes and they happen more often

[blazing oak]

I’ve been in positions as zealot where I wish I had quietitude as I was pinned under many shooters

[weary wasp]

Bring able to stagger any trash in 360 radius for the team just by looking at it is a boon on its own

[devout belfry]

Certainly but it feels trivial to take out whatever we need. Especially since purge is basically only killing trash now.

[blazing oak]

Purge wasn’t nerfed against dregs though right

[cyan notch]

it kills elites

[devout belfry]

Only on flak afaik.

[cyan notch]

even a decent option vs bosses at range

[devout belfry]

But it feels weak if you take it into the meat grinder.

[weary wasp]

You deal less damage but it still kills just fine. Crit build stacks SB like it's nothing

[devout belfry]

Yeah, that's what I used too.

I'll still take it with premades. But I feel the illisi and surge is the best rando carry.

[weary wasp]

Consider that lost thing that you point at during combat will be ablaze with 4 stacks from wildfire already

It ultimately depends on preferance

[devout belfry]

I like my damage up front and beefy.

[weary wasp]

I feel like surge is best for parties with shit or no vets

[devout belfry]

Or vets that can't do their job lol

Damn shooters.

[blazing oak]

As if I’d change my staff off surge

Even when another teammate uses surge and I feel redundant

[devout belfry]

After playing V2 again I wish we had some more interesting weapons. Throwing spears and axes 💦

[devout belfry]

Palpatine vibes.

[blazing oak]

Throwing hunting lances

The ones the rough riders use that explode

[devout belfry]

Force axe. I want it.

AND THE ABILITY TO THROW IT

[blazing oak]

No.

Force spear first

[weary wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAU-NKIJPP4

[devout belfry]

I have my mom build with handmaiden lol. Save the crap teammates.

24 revives on the new map first run LOL

[weary wasp]

oof

[devout belfry]

Nah, makes me feel hype.

Like an iron breaker carry.

[white cedar]

is this worth to build? 🤔

or 3 stacks is too little to notice

[weary wasp]

SB on crit is essentially useless

[white cedar]

• sad noise *

[placid blade]

Fails to mention 2 people sat back and did nothing during the ending of the round watching the chode of a psyker go up to the fence and pad numbers killing everything including pulling two demon hosts because it's "fun" not knowing how good or bad the zealot was. Other three players questioning the fucking stupidity on that one. Coming in here talking bullshit with your scoreboard. Leave it to the chode to play like an asshole all map and then come in here trying to flex on a scoreboard screencap giving little context. Fucking KEK

[leaden thunder]

it was a fun build

but idk if i'd use it now

[weary wasp]

Purgatus wombo combo
(pretend its +5 crit instead of carapace on staff. I ran out of plasteel for 20th time this week)

[rare furnace]

I lowered perill effect on settings and I could see everything without getting blinded

Feels better

[ornate hamlet]

this baby here, not even maxed stopping power

with 6 warp charges it two-taps any trash on a bodyshot

gun psyker gaming

considering the lasgun hipfire, this one has it god-tier

[weary wasp]

maxed out stopping power +25% flak or unarmored should one tap shooters

[ornate hamlet]

saucy

i was considering putting unyielding and maniac on this one

maybe infested and maniac

[leaden thunder]

flak + maniac/unamored

anything else is really not worth it

[weary wasp]

its pretty bad vs maniac

[ornate hamlet]

not sure how much use it can be against reapers when the primary purpose of my gun is to soften them for the two bb breakpoint

oh yeah, it really is

the flamers are so shit to kill

[weary wasp]

but with ghost you can shred reapers

[ornate hamlet]

fortunately the trapper goes down like a fly, but holy shit

[leaden thunder]

get yourself opening salvo on it

and ghost

[ornate hamlet]

getting that sick extra damage on the first shot?

[weary wasp]

the issue with opening slavo is that it takes a long time to reset

[leaden thunder]

not on that

it's is very fast

on semi auto vraks

[ornate hamlet]

wait, really?

do we have a fatshark moment here?

[weary wasp]

its like 0.5-1 sec. you can be consistent with it but you will have to pause

[leaden thunder]

it's less then that

[ornate hamlet]

if i can get myself to one-tap shooters, ill so go for opening salvo

[leaden thunder]

on the vraks

it depends on how fast the weapon settles

[ornate hamlet]

local psyker uses warp magic to make gun fire better

outpaces veteran because veteran gets bonus damage on head

epic trolled

le meme face

[weary wasp]

well it surely beats damage on stagger for the most part

[leaden thunder]

it mostly does

but no respite can give some crazy numbers sometimes

but it's not consistent

[weary wasp]

bloody thing kills stuff before it staggers even on vet ult

and then lasguns also have that for some reason
wheeze

[leaden thunder]

no respite can give like way more thne 20% damage

[ornate hamlet]

now if only 40% stab didnt look like this

[leaden thunder]

I use it on my hellbore

helps me just destroy beasts of nurgle sometimes

[ornate hamlet]

thank fuck for hitmarkers

[weary wasp]

vet's toy

[ornate hamlet]

i think the moving hitmarker might be a mod, actually? idk

[leaden thunder]

but I wouldn't put it on the xii

or the headhunter

maybe the agripina one

but it's kinda ass

[weary wasp]

looks like oneshot thing is for vet ult alone

oof

[leaden thunder]

should 1 shot headshot most things wiht opening

[weary wasp]

I meant body shot but yeh

probably

[leaden thunder]

always try to headshot it makes you a gamer (even if I miss a lot)

though I have been using ghost + duck and dive with deadshot on my xii

[weary wasp]

ghost is a good incentive for headshots

just stand still in a middle of a firesquad room and take your sweet time taking shots

[leaden thunder]

throughly recommend trying duck and dive + deadshot with that

ghost puts you in the dodge state

[weary wasp]

I never tried duck and dive

does it cheese?

[leaden thunder]

so you proc the stamina restore from duck and dive

it's fun

[weary wasp]

[leaden thunder]

worse then unwavering

but I full expect unwavering to get a nerf at some point

[weary wasp]

but muh 75% toughness DR

[leaden thunder]

but DnD and deadshot is one of those actually good vet builds that people don't use becuase the other stuff is op

[weary wasp]

oh with deadshot

HMMMMMMMM

interesting

[rich rose]

You work with what you got, not what with what you wish you had

[feral verge]

but what u got is nothing

rip ):

[devout briar]

Since fatshart's descriptins suck, do I have to really kill different specials and elites for pick and mix or can it be any 5 specials/elites?

[ornate hamlet]

my goal with leveling my vet was actually using deadshot and 3 stamina curios

since im used to playing gun psyker at 140 toughness, 200 toughness is heaven

elf main spotted

[blazing oak]

It was fun coming to vt2 and gravitating towards handmaiden only to learn that Kerillian is the toxic class

[ornate hamlet]

i saw you admit guilt

🫵

i play shade

shade pog

[blazing oak]

Hypocrisy

[ornate hamlet]

ur mum

[blazing oak]

Vt2 is borked on the deck somewhat anyways so I’m not wasting the gb space on it

[supple skiff]

Any, can be all the same.

[rare furnace]

Very sus bio bro

[ornate hamlet]

jung predicted the sus impostor long before it was named such

[rare furnace]

It was never about impostoring it was about how do divide humanity

[ornate hamlet]

i am even half-joking, cuz theres like an actual possible psychological theme to it

[blazing oak]

While you use the better spelling of impostor, the among us references are heresy

[rare furnace]

Traitor AMONGUS

[blazing oak]

Using the word “sus” is another charge

[rare furnace]

Bro traitor of Darktide was the worst story of who did it

Because we don’t care about any dead npc

And we don’t even find him ourselves

[supple skiff]

What you mean the character with literally no linens

[rare furnace]

The boss just did the buisness himself

[supple skiff]

Lines*

[halcyon creek]

What was even their name?

[supple skiff]

But they probably don’t have linens either

[blazing oak]

I’m honestly convinced there are two different design directions with player characters

[halcyon creek]

Ha, I bet they were a [bot], but you don’t see them after Lv30

[supple skiff]

My favourite character development in Darktide was my Loner Psyker claiming to be a loyal argent of the throne to Zola, then ten minutes later calling the emperor a “carrion lord”

[rare furnace]

Your first match of Darktide is with ransoms you can’t play with your friend yet

Make that first match be a close escape

Of bots that they die or something

And you escape alone with the traitor

That would actually fix the whole thing

[halcyon creek]

Yeah, I can see how that would work

[rare furnace]

Randoms *

[halcyon creek]

Then you’d notice the traitor in the cutscenes

“Hey it’s that one bot from the tutorial”

[rare furnace]

Yeah like only time only two come back that would rock

Maybe in two years they’ll be like oh btw we added better experience for new players

[halcyon creek]

Instead of Zola in the tutorial, it’s the traitor?

[rare furnace]

I mean if you two survive on the ship and a cutscene plays with only one line of traitor “can’t believe only us made it back alive”

BOOM

[halcyon creek]

Or would it be two tutorials?

[rare furnace]

First tutorial is super fast

Just your first match on new chracters can’t be with friends

So that’s a window

[halcyon creek]

Yeah. It would also be nice if there was a forced mission instead of just a cutscene at the trust levels

But you could choose to push a button and skip it (because you’re playing with friends)

-you are being summoned to the hangar, obey/obey
-“why are you here?”

But anyway. All of this is just story hopium

We must wake from this dream, and return to the real dream that we’re already having

[rare furnace]

We can have it better in our heads

[ornate hamlet]

be me
assblast 16.000 heretics
mayonnaise or whatever was her name wants to talk to me
tell me in a stereotypical african accent that nobody cares about me and that i should prove myself

ok thx

[supple skiff]

well I dont think having hope for a better story (read a story) going forward, is all that misplaced

[ornate hamlet]

its like

[blazing oak]

I think being summoned to the hangar was a prank on Mazosi by one of her friends

[ornate hamlet]

they call you to tell you to get the fuck out of their face

[supple skiff]

like I give a shit what the pilot thinks lol

someone needs to hook Rannick up with a teleportarium like yesterday

[ornate hamlet]

with the amount of pseudolatin the game has, im impressed its not called warhammerum

well, the franchise itself

[blazing oak]

Best voice line is loner schooling the fanatic on high gothic

[ornate hamlet]

is loner the french one?

[supple skiff]

german if male

something eastern european if female

[kind jay]

german psyker has best voice lines

[feral verge]

thats savant

female loner voice actress is arabic

indian or iraqi

[supple skiff]

the dreamer has grown on me but I still prefer loner

[feral verge]

the worst psykers i have encountered play as dreamer/seer

so now i like that personality less

because i associate it with bad players lmao

[supple skiff]

makes sense the try hards pick the personality with the god complex

[feral verge]

the best psykers i have seen have been male savants (african guy)