psyker-class

[worn bolt]

it is for deimos

[hollow current]

blegh superiority is yucky.

[ruby plover]

if you're saying we shouldn't nerf anything

that includes specific things

[runic hornet]

people who say "never nerf,only buff" are literally living on another planet

[hollow current]

looks like flak is going to become maniac.

[humble star]

Do you guys really think warp unleashed is balanced?

[cyan notch]

idk thats kind of a reach

[fierce sinew]

I do think in general nerfs are worse as a methodology than controlled power creep combined with higher difficulty content

[ruby plover]

okay let me lay it out in a more clear fashion

[hollow current]

SIBLINGS

I've been blessed

[worn bolt]

Nope

[runic hornet]

make it the psyker passive and put an interesting choice in that feat level instead

[spice veldt]

I'd say that warp unleashed is too strong compared to the other feats

[humble star]

the source of nearly all of Psyker's current power issues stem from warp unleashed being buffed.

over buffed

[spice veldt]

since zealots also have a +25% damage feat, though that specifically applies to ranged weapons based on distance

[ruby plover]

someone said we shouldn't nerf anything so i gave clear examples of things that should be nerfed

[runic hornet]

it's obviously best-in-level but, I actually kind of like it as a concept

[worn bolt]

it'll get nerfed I believe, its a MASSIVE source of damage

[runic hornet]

shades of Sienna Unchained

[spice veldt]

I wouldn't necessarily say the feat itself is too strong

[ruby plover]

if you say everything in the game is fine as is then yes you are saying every specific thing is fine

[cyan notch]

damn this is really good congrats

[ruby plover]

and its reasonable for me to point out specific examples for what makes that silly

deep breath

[worn bolt]

no its the multiplier it puts on already strong weps and other +dam bonuses

[runic hornet]

like if Warp Unleashed were made a passive I... don't think I would have a problem
It makes an interesting point for class identity

[fresh reef]

Agree. There's just no reason to equip the other two, ever

[cyan notch]

shame about 15% flak but its still amazing

[ruby plover]

||and remove warp charges||

[spice veldt]

they could either nerf warp unleashed or buff the other two feats; both options I'm personally fine with

[runic hornet]

And I think the blessings should be adjusted first

[hollow current]

To be able to freely switch between deflector and unstable power.

[worn bolt]

I used to like wrack and ruin before soulblaze got massacred

[ruby plover]

oml

[humble star]

Thx for reminding me that we don't have any subclasses in this game

[ruby plover]

we basically have unchained now

i was waiting for this patch the entire time

[humble star]

A psyker subclass without brain burst

[ruby plover]

honestly

i kinda like brain burst now

took long enough but i was playing zealot and kept getting annoyed that i didn't have it

[fresh reef]

Biomancer, probably

[fierce sinew]

the challenging thing about warp unleashed from a balance standpoint is it makes it hard to tune the class shared weapons

[humble star]

Oh no, it's definitely good. I just want to change things up

[ruby plover]

true

but also i hated it forever

and i still hate people that just spam it

[spice veldt]

I only hate it when it happens to be the best option in very shitty situations such as having to deal with shooters at different elevations

[humble star]

Have a build that doesn't rely on warp charges

[spice veldt]

otherwise I can usually avoid brain bursting and keep it in the basement as the anti-bulwark/bomber/trapper tool

[worn bolt]

Finally its done, can't wait for them to nerf the everloving shit out of slaughterer soon

[ruby plover]

i haven't thought about warp charges in my life

[humble star]

Was actually very fun to use with wildfire

shooter patrol? not anymore

[olive ember]

lmao comon guys

its just flak dmg nerf

purge was op

something something

[fierce sinew]

one thing they could also do (but won't) is change the soulblaze DoT damage curve that's being scaled in the first place

[humble star]

Purrg did too much carapace damage OP pls nurrf

[fierce sinew]

since that's distinct from the burning one they could crank that and leave the lower flak multiplier

[worn bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/eggman_slap-gif-24023679

[spice veldt]

that's a pretty good solution yeah

[sharp shoal]

Uncanny on illsi?

[olive ember]

idk apparently 9/10 psykers only use purge staff

[humble star]

This is why I don't understand people saying soulblaze got accidentally nerfed. Shouldn't it be separate from burning damage? how could they nerf it on accident

[olive ember]

and if you don't see 9/10 psykers then you are an uprising player

[worn bolt]

huh??

[fierce sinew]

I can tell you exactly how I think it happened

[sharp shoal]

I saw a psyker mowing stuff down with surge today

[olive ember]

yeah a guy earlier today said that to me

[fierce sinew]

the guy who went in and changed the multis straight up had no idea what those variables corresponded to

[olive ember]

this guy said 9/10 psykers used purge staff to try and tell me purge staff was op

[worn bolt]

surge is still my go to, at least until I find a good trauma I want

[olive ember]

and when I said he made that number up

he said I only played on uprising

and then proceeded to call me stupid and a clown kek

[spice veldt]

the people who've read darktide's code have had extremely low opinions of it

[worn bolt]

dude rolled a d20

[cyan notch]

purg is a probably the safest quickplay pick unsurprising that people just use that

[humble star]

Speaking of that, does trauma have any breakpoints for damage rolls? I got one from milk with amazing blessing and perk combo, but ass damage roll

[fierce sinew]

somebody told him to change the burn DoT on flak, he saw something called "soulburn," didn't know what it was, didn't really understand the instructions he was given in the first place, changed it

[olive ember]

they are both debuffs, but they are using the same burn values iirc

[worn bolt]

not the one to ask for that, only really used surge and still havent found a good trauma staff so idk

[fresh reef]

kek

[olive ember]

just that flamer has more direct damage and the big difference is that a "burn" dot ticks every 0.5 seconds and a "soulblaze" dot takes 0.75 seconds

so yeah

but they used the same value in code

different debuffs, same burn dmg table or wte

[worn bolt]

the burn is a majority of flamer's damage tho

[olive ember]

same with purge

burn is like 9-11 dmg a tick

[fierce sinew]

I really think the original architects of this looney toons codebase and the poor bastards tasked with maintaining and adjusting it either aren't talking or straight up can't navigate the labyrinth they've made for themselves

[humble star]

purg damage doesn't also come from it's soulblaze?

[half crater]

Bruh the first 2 staffs I roll on my new psyker are god tier

[runic hornet]

fatshark are using nordic coders aren't they

[fierce sinew]

they're swedes

[runic hornet]

WHat countryare they based out of again

Yeah, sweden

[worn bolt]

not anymore

[runic hornet]

EVE Online's icelandic coders and Fatshark's swedish coders both

[olive ember]

but yeah its not they changed the wrong value

its literally just the fact that burning dot and soulblaze dot uses the same dmg values from what I heard

so when they nerf burn dot

they also fucked over soulblaze

[runic hornet]

let's just say that for as much shit as people talk about the hypercompetitive gristmill that is the US tech industry

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[worn bolt]

I'd say this is spaghetti code but its more like a sloppy joe type beat

[runic hornet]

Nordic "work laws" are almost as bad as Japanese salaryman culture when it comes to competency in coders

[humble star]

The real question is how did they not even consider that this would fuck over other burn based damage too

[runic hornet]

spaghetti coders get to keep their jobs

[olive ember]

good question

lmao

[cyan notch]

they specifically said all burning dot damage

[runic hornet]

which... good for them, but rip the code

[olive ember]

idk but basically

flamer basically untouched

purge is kinda worse off

[worn bolt]

I think its hilarious that the nerf was unintentional

[runic hornet]

i did a couple games with flamer

[unkempt juniper]

did it affect bleed too?
that would be really funny

[runic hornet]

Literally didn't notice a difference

[olive ember]

every other burn build on psyker got slapped

[olive ember]

nah bleed uses diff values iirc, but bleed in general is a meme and rly shit

[runic hornet]

eh, i never relied on the burn to outright kill flak

[worn bolt]

you won't really, it still hass massive up front damage. you mind spend slightly more ammo and thats about it

[olive ember]

but then again they nerfed infernus again this patch so who knows lmao

maybe next patch they half bleed dmg for the funny meme

[north cradle]

I've been on a psychic rampage this game. Did even better than the Veteran with his Bolter

[humble star]

Infernus looking at it's beta version and wondering where it went wrong

[fierce sinew]

this is the heart of it, there's either very tenuous or zero connection between balance intent (make flamer less effective as a general purpose ranged weapon) and result of the changes

[olive ember]

its like 3 extra ammo to kill a mauler on flamer

[north cradle]

This Illisi is freakin' awesome

[worn bolt]

chasing the green circle dragon I see

[olive ember]

with how flamer functions its you just hold m1 and burn and yeah you won't actually notice the flak dmg nerf

maybe ammo consumption comes around to bite you in the ass

[north cradle]

I'm a Kerillian main

[olive ember]

but the dmg nerf you won't feel

[worn bolt]

but yeah the illi is nutty

[olive ember]

but since the burn dot dmg nerf is global

psykers get fked

[north cradle]

But this is better than I'm used to, I think I'm having a great time as a Psyker for the first time in a while

[fierce sinew]

we've had multiple patches now where the most impactful changes are just a bullet point not mentioned anywhere in the explanatory documentation

[unkempt juniper]

quick question: why tf is rampage on dueling swords?
do any of the dueling swords even have an attack that can hit 3 targets?

[cyan notch]

its only vs flak bro

[worn bolt]

SAME, I vowed to never play again and heard the class got fun again so I got back into it

Amazing time so far

[olive ember]

only vs the most important armor type in game kekw

[north cradle]

Also the buff to Warp Unleashed makes Gun Psyker so fun to play

[olive ember]

I should try warp absorb tbh with my illisi

heard the toughness regen is bonkers

[worn bolt]

you could use a toothpick with that feat and still do well

[cyan notch]

which had a 2x multiplier before

[humble star]

Anyone saying soulblaze and infernus deserved this nerf is nuts. Neither were nearly on the level of power the flamer had due to it's armor pen and range.

[olive ember]

some people think purge staff was op and deserved a nerf

[north cradle]

I make sure to grab the MG XII so I'm not hogging ammo from everyone else, but great Man-Emperor of Mankind, this feels like pre-release beta Psyker

[olive ember]

I would name and shame his absolutely hilarious takes but

eh

you could prob find me arguing if you scrolled up far enough

[worn bolt]

I honestly never gave a shit about purg staff

[olive ember]

I legit won't take him seriously anymore

oh yeah I don't use purge staff either kekw

[north cradle]

Purgatus is the staff you use if you don't have a Zealot with a Flamer, that's all I'll say

[humble star]

Purg staff actually had downsides, unlike flamer

[worn bolt]

I even used a soulblaze build back then lmao

[olive ember]

just kinda a bruh moment when nerfs that aren't even specifically target you nerf like 1/4 of the builds your class uses

[fierce sinew]

it's also really hamfisted for no obvious reason. Let's pretend for a laugh that they understood the full balance implications of changing the multiplier. 200->100 is the change you make? Not going to maybe try 175 and see how that plays?

it's not like the game is on console and they have to certify every patch with sony and wait a month

[worn bolt]

riot games could balance it better

[olive ember]

idk fatshark nerfs are pretty

yeah

they either kill the weapon or barely affect it

I love their flamer nerfs

[worn bolt]

laughs in power sword getting "nerfed

[olive ember]

its like a master class in fatshark balancing

[fierce sinew]

I'm not saying we need 3% move up or down every week or something

[ruby plover]

my homie was using purg staff with me today and i still appreciated having it there

[unkempt juniper]

so does the explosion even get crits on trauma?

[olive ember]

they simultaneously nerf 3 different things on the flamer at the same time, and fairly sizeable things like ammo n shit

[fierce sinew]

but maybe literal 50% gone is a touch too much for a first draft is all

[humble star]

Cut it in half

[olive ember]

but at the same time because of how flamer functions

[ruby plover]

still staggered stuff nice and good

[worn bolt]

everyone needs a fren

[olive ember]

those nerfs barely matter

its like

[humble star]

get the flex seal, quick

[cyan notch]

they can always change it up again

[worn bolt]

eventually

[olive ember]

idk how they managed to be both heavyhanded but also barely useful nerfs on the flamer

its like

im genuinely astounded

[long osprey]

I think its only the primary attack

[worn bolt]

probably because they are so slow pushing out changes

[olive ember]

one day

[worn bolt]

they rushed it and made it just stupid

[humble star]

I just love such volatile changes. Never know what to craft because FS might unintentionally neuter it

[cyan notch]

theyre not trying to kill flamer tho

[olive ember]

craft the worst weapons possible

[fierce sinew]

this is true but not that reassuring until they learn, you know?

[humble star]

and they didn't flamer is fine

[olive ember]

so run devils claw revolver until it become smeta

flamer is fine

Its just

[humble star]

Recon lasgun with infernus??? Still got murdered

[olive ember]

XD

[fierce sinew]

it's "what will they break this time" rather than "this will get fixed"

[olive ember]

we don't talk about recon las

that shit is in the ground

buried

[worn bolt]

we going back to ol' reliable?

[olive ember]

this update was the fucking bird shitting on the grave

infernus recon?

lmao

[cyan notch]

idk man derpy takes are kinda just blabbering sometimes

[humble star]

Unlike preacher. Psyker has no armor pen button for flames

[olive ember]

my takes are 10/10

concise

to the point

[long osprey]

We have brain burst for armor

Like carapace

[cyan notch]

often misinformed

[long osprey]

Or deimos sword

[olive ember]

not rly

[cyan notch]

completely wrong sometimes

[humble star]

Ya have fun BBing every flak rager now too

[runic hornet]

I still remember when an infernus recon could solo a boss

[worn bolt]

This, kinetic barrage makes quick work of any and all armor

[olive ember]

im never wrong smh

[runic hornet]

those were the days

[olive ember]

i stand by my words

fuck the deimos

[ruby plover]

okay moral quandry here

how much more damage do i have to do than someone to take ammo over them

[worn bolt]

mosquito on balls

[ruby plover]

just a hypothetical

[runic hornet]

damage isn't hte question

[olive ember]

I just take ammo first ask questions later

[runic hornet]

it's how many speicals/elites are you killing

[ruby plover]

okay thats actually even better

[olive ember]

I know I can kill things with the ammo i take

[ruby plover]

because

[runic hornet]

if someone is taking all the specials

[worn bolt]

you don't, if they have less ammo than you you let them have it to not be a prick

[olive ember]

idk if they can

[earnest jewel]

Hello can i ask a question, which one is best for the sword?

[runic hornet]

let them have the ammo, they're putting it to good use

if you're the one killing all the specials for your team

[ruby plover]

here's the guy that complained

[runic hornet]

it's kind of important you keep doing that

[worn bolt]

this is textbook green circle syndrome

[ruby plover]

(vs me)

okay but actually

im a good teammate i share ammo

[olive ember]

tbf apparently there was a game where two stubber ogryns took all the ammo from the vet

[worn bolt]

ik m8

just sayin

[olive ember]

so the vet was just perpetually out of ammo

[ruby plover]

this guy was a camo expert goober that sat in the previous elevation until the room was cleared

and then got mad that i didnt leave ammo behind (he ran past ammo that i pinged several times)

[earnest jewel]

I already tested unstable power, its fun but quite dangerous since I have to maintain max peril

[worn bolt]

oh its a vet, yeah not unexpected

[fierce sinew]

if the scoreboard looks like that I don't care what my teammate has to say

[ruby plover]

and i had to resist the urge to clown on him over the scoreboard

[olive ember]

they changed it to 80%

you just need 80% peril now

[ruby plover]

so im doing it here to vent :)

[runic hornet]

far less dangerous than you think it is tbh

[long osprey]

Slaughterer is gold on it and you can have it proc if you use purgatus and wild fire

[humble star]

Psword nerf got him taking camo to avoid horde completely

[worn bolt]

vets have some sort of anime protagonist shit going on recently

[runic hornet]

just... don't, uh, pushattack

[fierce sinew]

he can leave the game if he doesn't like it, he's a bot already anyway

[runic hornet]

that's the big oopsy

[cyan notch]

i mean if people are taking your ammo just take it before them lol?

unless ur 700m behind ur team all the time

[ruby plover]

[runic hornet]

illisi JOI to get to 100% peril, get blindsided by a rager, pushattack it

oops

[clear heath]

he can't walk to the ammo because that would disable camo

[olive ember]

I mean its annoying when the white ammo fker takes it while im on orange i guess

[ruby plover]

i thought push attack didnt generate peril anymore

am i insane

[runic hornet]

push doesn't

[worn bolt]

HUH'

[earnest jewel]

the purgatus force staff yes?

[ruby plover]

yeah i know but the actual attack too

[fierce sinew]

push attack does, push does not

[ruby plover]

hold up

[cyan notch]

push attack always did since launch

[runic hornet]

pushATTACK does

[olive ember]

well actually

[runic hornet]

a tiny amount

[olive ember]

wait

[runic hornet]

but, if you just stroked to 100% peril, goodbye

[olive ember]

did push attack did at launch?

[fierce sinew]

yes

[olive ember]

psure it was the push that gave peril not the push attack

[fierce sinew]

push did at launch too

[olive ember]

and then they changed it so the push didn't give perl but hte push attack did

[runic hornet]

both push and pushattack built peril on launch

[worn bolt]

always did, it was a psychic attack

[runic hornet]

it was aids

[ruby plover]

wtf

[earnest jewel]

true but the mental note to keep my peril in xheck sometimes takes my focus in the game haha

[runic hornet]

then they made it just pushattack, thank god

[ruby plover]

sometimes it blows me up when im at 100% but sometimes it just doesnt

[olive ember]

not sure I just know that prelaunch psyker was baddddd

[sharp shoal]

Just camped a door spawning dogs so I wouldn't die

[ruby plover]

i just did it at 100% 3 times without blowing up

and then the 4th time i blew up

[worn bolt]

I noticed that, the block actually uses stamina for once

[runic hornet]

push attack has a really high "minimum safe threshold"

[fierce sinew]

do you have the mod that shows your actual peril

[ruby plover]

nope

[spice veldt]

the push-attack does indeed have a bug where you can push-attack without consuming peril

[ruby plover]

time to get that i guess

[fierce sinew]

yep

[runic hornet]

you can actually push it at "100%" peril if it's actually like 99.9% peril

[ruby plover]

i put it off thinking what does it matter

[spice veldt]

but that bug goes away if you push-attack an enemy or randomly

[humble star]

When you encounter Psyker players who are still unable to push a burster with force sword on damnation difficulty

[ruby plover]

wow thats hilarious i checked this multiple times

[runic hornet]

might not be their fault

[ruby plover]

and was like huh they removed that cool dont need to worry about it anymore

[runic hornet]

did someone wing the burster with damage

that's the thing people are fucking other players with

[worn bolt]

most does because its based a lot off of actions per recently aquired peril, there are times where im almost certain I was at 120 then vented after

[runic hornet]

if you are going to push a burster

NO ONE CAN HIT IT

[earnest jewel]

thanks man I think I get the build now since I use purgatus

[fierce sinew]

leave it to fatshark to pick thresholds that aren't viewable without it, right?

[primal plume]

what should I replace here? Trauma staff btw

[runic hornet]

if a burster is hit by "light stagger" while it's running it'll become immune to pushes for a few seconds

[ruby plover]

i basically never push bursters anymore unless its an emergency

[worn bolt]

laughs in surge staff

[olive ember]

Don't you love reddit

[ruby plover]

its just not worth the risk

[humble star]

Probably what it is then. I don't shoot it, I just laugh when they get sent flying with an unlimited dodge weap

[runic hornet]

so if someone, say, hits the burster with a few autogun bullets

[ruby plover]

honestly

this one is on me

[runic hornet]

now that burster is immune to pushes

[ruby plover]

fatshark is a wild beast it is in their nature

[clear heath]

i love it when it bugs out and surge staff pulls the burster towards you

[cyan notch]

finally on dark mode im impressed

[ruby plover]

as a fatshark game enthusiast its on me to be aware of these things

[runic hornet]

it's very obvious who knows about this and who doesn't

[worn bolt]

just push it harder smh

[olive ember]

that aint dark mode

it just does that when you click on image

smh

[ruby plover]

i would never autopistol bursters

[olive ember]

can't see shit when I'm in the sun

[ruby plover]

[worn bolt]

have you tried opening your eyes?

[ruby plover]

one time an overenthusiastic zealot literally F'd into a burster that i was shooting to push it

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/blind-spongebob-blinded-myeyes-sizzle-gif-4697428

[runic hornet]

yes, my retinas are ash

[olive ember]

I mean

why you shoot it smh

waste of ammo clearly

[cyan notch]

me looking at light mode screenshots

[sharp shoal]

Why does psyker move so slow not

[ruby plover]

umm

because i want the green circle

:)

[humble star]

it's honestly a weird mechanic to give them. Because a Vet is always going to want to put a bullet in it. Even when they really shouldn't

[spice veldt]

the normal attacks can cleave 3 groaners since they have 0.75 mass, and the push-attack has 6 cleave (which translates into 6 poxwalkers or 8 groaners)

[runic hornet]

it's baked into the stagger system of the game, period

if an enemy is affected [stagger type], it becomes immune for a little bit to that [stagger type] afterward

[olive ember]

I mean I remember back in like january or wte I was playing a heresy game and the vet literally asked me how I didn't take damage to a burster

and I had to teach him, mid match, how to push a burster

[runic hornet]

And you need a heavier stagger type if you want to "restagger" the enemy

[olive ember]

hi int heresy moment

well heresy, but it was always hi int back then

[runic hornet]

it's why you can't infinitely stunlock crushers with trauma staff

if they get hard knockdowned

[worn bolt]

yeah took me a while to figure that out with my smooth brain but I eventually learned how bursters worked

[humble star]

Doesn't Fsword push have the biggest stagger a push can get tho?

[ruby plover]

to be fair in the past couple of days i've just been running away from bursters to see what my teammates do

[runic hornet]

You cannot re-hard-knockdown it until it stands all the way back up

[ruby plover]

and almost everyone pushes them successfully now

[olive ember]

probably, it can knock crushers n shit

[runic hornet]

it also has a fucked up hitbox

[olive ember]

that too

[ruby plover]

is that it

[worn bolt]

what about the one recon lasgun vet that shoots them a single time to fuck you over

[ruby plover]

i dont understand fsword push

confession

[runic hornet]

I should try using it on bursters actually, but my recollection is that it's REALLY JANK

[humble star]

Like I swear I've pushed bursters that have been shot before just fine with the force sword...

[ruby plover]

everyone keeps saying its good but i dont use it that much man i just spam infinite dodge

[spice veldt]

Slaughterer is better since +power% is Damage, Cleave, and Stagger, and it increases all of them directly. As in, +60% power means +60% damage, +60% cleave, and +60% stagger. I'd replace Blazing Spirit with it. So once you kill 5 enemies, you've got that 60% power from t3 slaughterer.

[ruby plover]

it feels weird

[worn bolt]

I mean as long as you live it dont matter

[runic hornet]

if ENOUGH stagger is built up on it that your push would add up with it to go from light stagger to medium/heavy stagger, the nit'll work

[olive ember]

blazing spirit got nerfed anyways

does worse damage to flak

[ruby plover]

this is why i need unstable power IV

for maximum burster pushing

[olive ember]

and you one shot poxwalkers anyways

[worn bolt]

deez also got nerfed

[cyan notch]

whats deez

[spice veldt]

force sword pushes are good because of two things:
1. The pushes cost 1 bar.
2. It has access to Slaughterer.
+Power% increases the stagger of your pushes, so your pushes end up throwing groaners/poxwalkers to the ground once you have enough

[worn bolt]

you fool, you absolute bafoon. you have fallen for my trap

[cyan notch]

i dont understand please explain

[ruby plover]

oh its slaughterer

thats the sauce

i see

[worn bolt]

prepare your self

deez nuts

[spice veldt]

if you don't know the answer, it's always slaughterer

foolish fool

[humble star]

Like I said, with how massive FS stagger is. I don't really think that's a problem. At least I've never noticed it being a problem. Maybe I play with too many disciplined players.

[ruby plover]

tru.........

[cyan notch]

oh haha u got me good xD

[ruby plover]

anyways

[runic hornet]

can creature spawner "activate" enemies in the psykanium

I forget

[ruby plover]

i think i will take shred over slaughterer

finesse weapon

[runic hornet]

I want to spawn a burster who will jump at me

[cyan notch]

yes

turn off invisibility

[runic hornet]

wait, no, I can't set the situation up by myself

[worn bolt]

🥚

[ruby plover]

[runic hornet]

wait no I can

[clear heath]

man i love mutants

[runic hornet]

I can shoot it on the way in and then try to force push it

[spice veldt]

your friend should've brought better boots

[ruby plover]

ummm maybe ur friend wouldnt die if u turned ur CHEATS off mister

[olive ember]

honestly I think thats a staircase issue more than a mutant issue

XD

not sure tho

[ruby plover]

oh thank you for reminding me to download the peril mod before i play

[cyan notch]

yea surge mid pound just puts the dude back into the spot he was before he got grabbed

[clear heath]

i mean probably both

[spice veldt]

prob both

[clear heath]

mutants have clipped me through walls and stuff before too

[spice veldt]

I just had a game where a power cell got stuck under a staircase

[clear heath]

if they drop you or die while holding you, weird shit can happen

[ruby plover]

when are we getting the all mutants mode

please

[worn bolt]

poke it with a stick

[ruby plover]

i need it

me and the boys with 4 thammers playing mutant baseball

[spice veldt]

unfortunately there were no sticks around

[olive ember]

I mean I had a game where I was stuck crouching underneath a thingy and I had to literally let a poxwalker hit me to unstuck myself

[spice veldt]

very sad situation

what is a world without any sticks?

[safe crystal]

I've had a game in the smelter where a mutant carried our vet through the locked escape door and left him there

[cyan notch]

honestly its more of a surge and stairs issue since ogryn charge on a disabled teammate doesnt rubberband them back to the spot they were grabbed from

[humble star]

Got my recon lasgun ready for this

and HH autogun

[olive ember]

make sure to make a funny bug report

actually dont

[sharp shoal]

Why does psyker move slower then og now

[olive ember]

in case they somehow fk surge up

[spice veldt]

eh well HH autogun is good right

[olive ember]

does psyker move slower? can't tell

Then again I like hard space out while playing darktide

[spice veldt]

psykers have a slower base sprint speed but only by a slight margin

[sharp shoal]

Slower then og now for me

[spice veldt]

I think?

[clear heath]

nice speedrun strat btw

[spice veldt]

or are they the same

I forget

[humble star]

I thought it's maniac dps was mid? I literally only use it on Vet who I then would just abuse power sword for mutie.

[spice veldt]

oh nah ogryns have the same sprint speed as psykers

prob just ogryns with bull butchers being fast as fuck

[humble star]

Although now that you mention it. Deimos on a mutie map would be stupidly OP

[runic hornet]

oh, it's worse than mid, it's downright terrible

you need so many shots to kill flamers

[cyan notch]

crusher gaming

[runic hornet]

and mutants are basically not worth shooting, save your ammo

[spice veldt]

well both of them do take 3x melee damage

[olive ember]

I mean the no stam sprint is prob what you actually feel

as long as you are sprinting more than 3 seconds

[cyan notch]

no stamina sprinting is horribly worse

[ruby plover]

thats why i stay sliding

[spice veldt]

oh wow headhunters do have doodoo maniac damage

[ruby plover]

all the time

every day

[spice veldt]

smh weak ass cardio non-sprint eff mfs

[sharp shoal]

Are ragers unyielding or maniac

[ruby plover]

maniac

[spice veldt]

dreg ragers are maniac

[olive ember]

maniac

[humble star]

Someone get psyker on the damn treadmill

[ruby plover]

and flak

for the flak ones

obviously

[sharp shoal]

What about mauler

[ruby plover]

flak

carapace on head

[cyan notch]

you can spam dodge too but u have to go sideways

[sharp shoal]

So double armor

[olive ember]

unyielding is bosses (not including assassination boss which is flak), bulwark, and reaper

is dh also unyielding?

[spice veldt]

yes

[humble star]

the crab crawl

[sharp shoal]

Bulwark is squishy

[spice veldt]

squish squish

[sharp shoal]

Reaper is harder then Bulwark

[spice veldt]

reapers have a ridiculous base hp

[sharp shoal]

I'm aware

[clear heath]

mutants don't need a staircase to fuck you up
sometimes all it takes is a wall

[ruby plover]

reapers when i autopistol them in the head with kinetic flayer

[sharp shoal]

Pfft

[ruby plover]

kinetic flayer is the talent i never expected to love so much

[spice veldt]

bring better boots

[humble star]

Now that I can Kill all Ogryn types in 2 BB It doesn't matter

[sharp shoal]

Bulwark is slow enough you can dodge around to hit cause they can't turn to block quickly

[clear heath]

least buggy darktide creature

[ruby plover]

bulwark is easiest bb into shredder of my life

[ruby plover]

what in tarnation

ive seen some shit in darktide but i have never seen such goonery as this

[clear heath]

I have no idea if it would ever let me go if no one killed it

[humble star]

Mutie found a weapon to surpass metal gear

[ruby plover]

holy fuck that is so funny

[cyan notch]

it only ever seems to happen with ogryns

never seen it happen to other classes

[ruby plover]

this is leaked content they're adding new special subtypes like b4b

new mutant that picks up ur teammates and bashes u with them

i never see ogryns anymore

i miss my stupid big boys

[north cradle]

I love this mod that changes everyone's ready screen weapon to ranged weapons

[clear heath]

it just looks hilarious with the ogryn being completely stiff in its hand

mutant found an ogryn figure

[humble star]

Also the fact that it looks like Ogryn is being wielded by his massive sword

[olive ember]

did someone say B4B

pls stop

special subtypes suck

how many different versions of "shitty boomer" and "ranged hunter" are in B4B

[runic hornet]

eh, the problem with B4B subtypes was that the counterplay was always the same

"shoot the weakspot so it dies before it gets to you"

but darktide specs actually get to use their abilities a lot more

[olive ember]

I mean the big problem with subtypes is

[runic hornet]

imagine a bomber that throws bombs that explode in a star-shaped pattern

[earnest jewel]

thanks a lot

[olive ember]

The problem is that they gotta be distinguishable I suppose

[runic hornet]

or a flamer that leaves behind a flaming patch because it explodes a few seconds after it dies

[sharp shoal]

The sticky hags counter play is avoid her

[humble star]

Is there a mod for custom sounds on special deaths yet?

[runic hornet]

or a mutant that walks very slowly but picks you up

[olive ember]

one of the big things in l4d is special themes or wte its called to announce a special presence, which I guess could be applied to same enemy of each subtype

[runic hornet]

like a beast of nurgle

[olive ember]

but like idk

[sharp shoal]

If she grabs you you're dead

[runic hornet]

there's definitely room for some cool variations

[olive ember]

if they are different enough then they might as well be a different special with their own spawn sound n distinguishing features

but if they aren't different enough then it kinda just gets annoying

[sharp shoal]

Sticky hag won't drop you when damaged

Gotta kill her

[cyan notch]

well we have mini doggos now

[sharp shoal]

Otherwise you die

[cyan notch]

tho they arent too different

[olive ember]

like when I hear pox hound spawns I don't wanna think "oh shit which flavour of dog im going to get"

[humble star]

less fucking jank from my experience

[olive ember]

besides the specific modifier that also comes with its specific sounds

idk just my opinion but it could just be B4B souring me against special subtypes

[runic hornet]

B4B specials were bad, period

because the game had very little defensive play

[olive ember]

especially with special spam in the game tho

[runic hornet]

other than "shoot it until it dies"

[olive ember]

like imagine 3 mutants spawn

but they are all different subtypes with a varying gimmick

[runic hornet]

so variations just felt like more of the same

[sharp shoal]

I used melee not guna

[olive ember]

idk

[sharp shoal]

Melee was op

[runic hornet]

versus DT, where you can actually fucking dodge

[olive ember]

would have to see if they get implemented

[cyan notch]

took them years for them to give you all your cards

[runic hornet]

or position to use bombers as bonus horde DPS

[cyan notch]

killed it for me

[humble star]

make a combo of the dog mode and mutie horde

[cyan notch]

lame as shit to work with 2 cards then die

[humble star]

the best position against dogs is the worst position to prepare for muties

[runic hornet]

meanwhile, B4B ranged special just fucking shoots you with a gun

[unkempt juniper]

games with active dodge mechanics are always more fun than those without them

[runic hornet]

what the fuck.

[olive ember]

I only played the Alpha and Beta Test for B4B thankfully

saw the $60 pricetag for a worse l4d2 and laughed

[runic hornet]

I disagree, i hate dodge-mechanics in shmups and bullet hells

[cyan notch]

only played it cuz it was free on gamepass

[olive ember]

but yeah Ik I ran a tanky holly melee build

and I heard they nerfed that shit into the ground

[runic hornet]

because then the patterns have to be balanced around the player being able to get iframes and then that ruins the point of the spatial-based patterns and reduces it to a timing based game

[spice veldt]

depends on the bullet hell games

[unkempt juniper]

i don't play bullet hells except for ultrakill p-1

[sharp shoal]

It's why I quit

[olive ember]

at one point the meta was literally a speedrun build where you literally outran the spawns

[sharp shoal]

I'm waiting for more ror2 content

[runic hornet]

to be fair that was asscancer, the spedrunning

[sharp shoal]

I already 100% it

[runic hornet]

because also remember, no private lobbies UNLESS you had a full stack

[olive ember]

p-2 apparently is hard

so yeah

[runic hornet]

so what would happen is

[unkempt juniper]

p-2 took me 256 deaths to get through

3 hours

[runic hornet]

you'd get a game and then some random ass speedrunner would join your lobby and get the entire team killed with "their" speedrun

[olive ember]

oh yeah

my friend complained about that

but idk apparently trying to play the level normally was just not it

like you would just get screwed in special spam

[runic hornet]

it's because the game was a DPS check through and through

but the builds and cards baited you into thinking you could try to play otherwise

No, you build to fucking kill things, don't get distracted by meme builds

[olive ember]

I remember how I described the... tallboys? crushers? wte they were called as

[unkempt juniper]

this worth trying to improve? is blast area worth losing 9% charge rate?

[olive ember]

"l4d2 tanks, if they had the ability to become chargers, and they spawn like 6 of em at a time, all the time"

[cyan notch]

pretty hard to stagger too

u gotta like melee it or some shit

and u cant even dodge their attacks i dont think

[runic hornet]

yeah, the tallboy spam was basically "do you have damage"

"no? die"

the stagger threshold is literally from hitting damage thresholds on weakpoint lol

unless you usedspecific meta builds to get those thresholds early enough, you would just die.

[cyan notch]

yea i remember something with melee builds that can stagger them

but if u dont have it your counterplay goes down the drain

which was stupid since they were bullet sponges too

[spice veldt]

blast radius is not too important on the voidstrike because it really only scales the explosion of the outer sphere, and the epicentre has a cleave limit of 6 when fully charged

you do lose stagger if you care to make space with the voidstrike, but as a purely offensive tool, blast radius otherwise doesn't do anything

[olive ember]

Honestly dunno since blast radius is dump stat

But damn 20% is bad

[unkempt juniper]

apparently i would only lose .02 seconds of charge time

[spice veldt]

ah that's true; voidstrike has pretty low charge rate scaling

[shadow wigeon]

You also have to ask if +unyielding is useful

[olive ember]

Oh yeah for B4B

They released the fire fighter chick

And isn’t she basically just better holly

Or wte

[spice veldt]

I'd prob still pick the right voidstrike personally, though if you like the stagger, you can build the left voidstrike

[olive ember]

Starts with the fire axe too like wtf

[digital loom]

trauma is the best

[olive ember]

Def keep the one on the right until you roll left atleast

[digital loom]

if you disagree that's ok, but it's still the best

[olive ember]

Hadron likes to brick weapons

[unkempt juniper]

i'm gonna see if i can get either of those blessings on the left one, if i can i think i'll swap for the 1 dmg increase lol

[olive ember]

Not surge staff therefore opinion disregarded

[digital loom]

what am i gonna do with a surge staff? charge the heretic's phone batteries? lolol i'd rather clean my toilet with that staff

[unkempt juniper]

surge staff refills enemy lasgun ammo confirmed

[cyan notch]

bro they dont got phones u think they got nurgle on speed dial or sum

[digital loom]

yes

[ruby plover]

dude what did i just witness

[olive ember]

Not 0

Not pro player

[ruby plover]

1.9k

[cyan notch]

counts damage taken while downed too i think

[ruby plover]

i dont think my mans shoved or dodged a single time

dude just kept walking forward until he died

[runic hornet]

pretty sure it doesn't

[ruby plover]

also walked past several med stations

[runic hornet]

I got netted when I went to get a drink and full-died

scoreboard told me i took as much damage as my max HP as vet, slighly above 150 or whatever

so damage-while-downed is definitely not counted

because those poxwalkers were beating my ass for a long, long time

[earnest jewel]

Idk why but playing as a pysker is funny because they always get verbally abused by zealot and veteran in voicelines because of lore, I feel bad for the character especially the enforcer voice

[cyan notch]

its amusing when ur the one constantly ressing them

and theyre like no!!! dont touch me!!! for the 5th time

like ok bro weve been over this already

[viral solstice]

well then why are u touching them

sounds like harassment

[spice veldt]

you ask too many questions

[viral solstice]

i on the other hand would rather die than res a vet

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/YF6yLRnye89v_/d1337XRjwqo9?invite=cr-MSxYcUQsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[earnest jewel]

i like the one where they say something about pysker thing being contagious

[viral solstice]

or maybe i would die and res a vet

hard to tell

[cyan notch]

they were like no!!! dont leave me on the floor!! but then no!!! dont touch me!!! make up ur mind buddy

[ruby plover]

lmfao

[viral solstice]

[ruby plover]

absolute chad not hitting f for the clip

god i love this game so much

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZeOctBfkmDiz3/d1337DvCbuSZ?invite=cr-MSxlMEksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

showing the secret no explosion tech

[idle bay]

I remember loner saying line to Zealot he revived "I touched you.Now you damned. Ha-ha!"

[viral solstice]

but obviously u cant let the viewers down

[ruby plover]

kjlhkjhljk

[runic hornet]

for what purpose

[viral solstice]

sometimes u gotta splode

[cyan notch]

purg normie

[ruby plover]

u seek to understand the crabs motives?

[viral solstice]

that was the one time ive run purg

[ruby plover]

[viral solstice]

i cant remember why

[ruby plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1053447258382807113/1060226361698041956/D401B6D9-916B-44AE-871E-C7C38B79AE98.gif

[viral solstice]

but im a serial criminal in that vein

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/WYcFxrITWpK5y/d1337H2DFrXa?invite=cr-MSxYUlcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[earnest jewel]

Maybe because there's a handful of zealot and veterans that the sweet Ogryn voicelines to pysker is often overshadowed

[spice veldt]

skill

[viral solstice]

i got zero frame insta death swaps

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/YNA8hd2NmEhu1/d1337HMF6SND?invite=cr-MSxKSHgsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

i got the TECH on deck

[ruby plover]

[idle bay]

There is an advanced - anti-explosion Tech. As soon as pre-explosion animation starts - go hug a charging Mutant. You can't explosde while he holding you.

[viral solstice]

anti-explosion tech? sounds kinda useless bud sry

[idle bay]

It can be used as Delayed Explosion if you miscalculated

Mutant literaly throws you as greande!

[viral solstice]

now that sounds dank

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Y8p82HohOWb9L/d1337Ap3ichQ?invite=cr-MSxDUDgsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

ok im off to bed but i hope this demonstration of psychic power thrills u

[cyan notch]

ok see u in 20mins

[viral solstice]

nice jorts iditot

[idle bay]

In bed?

[viral solstice]

they are actually nice

[cyan notch]

i dont have jorts tbh

[umbral beacon]

ey yo, whats the best force sword

[feral verge]

Both Deimos and illisi are good

There is no best

Deimos is good at single target, decent horde clear. Illisi is good at horde clear, decent as single target

The default/og force sword, obscurus, is decent at horde clear and decent as single target. Because of this, you could say it's the worst (but it's not bad)

[ember sentinel]

my only issue with obscurus is i dont like getting stuck when swinging the special

Deimos does it too but its not a cleave + damage is better

[cyan notch]

obscurus lights are pretty trash compared to deimos

also worse mobility than deimos

and worse single target/boss damage

[north cradle]

Obscurus doesn't really have anything going for it

[ember sentinel]

i havent used it in forever but i do feel like its either illsi or deimos

[north cradle]

I'm hesitant to even say it's good at horde clear

[ember sentinel]

both are very good at what they do + are decent at everything else

[north cradle]

I think you should try out the Deimos though, it's the friendliest Force Sword to get into

[ember sentinel]

does it use less peril at least?

[north cradle]

Nope

[ember sentinel]

damn

[feral verge]

The more peril used the better

[fierce sinew]

want to use less peril on your sword

must be new

[worn bolt]

how long till they nerf illi and/or warp unleashed? what do you guys think

[sour bison]

Ilisi have good clear and bad st, deimos have good st and bad clear, obscurus have bad st and bad clear

[feral verge]

Low warp resist means high peril which means way higher damage

[sour bison]

[north cradle]

Deimos has monstrously powerful stabs and still has the ability to delete enemies with its special attack

[feral verge]

Nah

[worn bolt]

obscurus have bad

[feral verge]

Illisi doesn't have bad single target

Deimos doesn't have bad horde clear

[worn bolt]

^ that thing is jsut outright busted

[ember sentinel]

illsi single target one shots flamers and shotgunners

[north cradle]

Technically with enough Slaughterer and Unstable Peril, every Force Sword is good at everything

[fierce sinew]

if I had a million dollars I'd be a millionaire

[ember sentinel]

most anything not mutant/ogryn or armor

[worn bolt]

this is exactly it lmao, and warp unleashed jsut turns everything into a powerhouse

[north cradle]

Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes

[ember sentinel]

oh tbh i forgot about stable peril when i mentioned peril build up lol

[worn bolt]

every grain eaten is one grown -Phalicus

[feral verge]

Bull shit. Can we ban this guy for stating lies

[worn bolt]

o spoder landed on my arm

[fierce sinew]

you get paid off for high peril twice over, once blessing and feat

[worn bolt]

I let the smol fren go

[feral verge]

3x, if you grab kinetic shield

[north cradle]

25% for Warp Unleashed, 75% for Slaughterer, and 20% for Unstable Peril?

[fierce sinew]

24% from charges

[feral verge]

And 24% with warp battery

[north cradle]

Oh yeh Warp Battery

[worn bolt]

unstable power too (if you have that it works)

[north cradle]

Which one is Unstable Power

[ember sentinel]

more damage for higher peril

iirc

damage scales with peril

[fierce sinew]

the stacking one with the fatshark tooltip that we have to explain daily

[worn bolt]

^

[north cradle]

Am I misremembering the name

[feral verge]

Hourly

[north cradle]

Guess I am

I thought it was Unstable Peril

[worn bolt]

wait till the dementia kicks in and you have to explain it to me again

[north cradle]

That happens when you never get it in your store

[worn bolt]

legit melk had a t4 unstable power rolled on mine

[ember sentinel]

i feel like that one was decently common

deflector was the really rare one for me

[fierce sinew]

doesn't even take dementia, might just be clap -50% and calculated based on the current cycle of the moon in the next patch

[worn bolt]

still havent found deflector

[north cradle]

Check out this beaut I got from an Emperor's Gift a few days ago

[ember sentinel]

hey thats almost identical to mine

[worn bolt]

[north cradle]

Zased

[feral verge]

Unyielding is sad but that's a nice one

[ember sentinel]

yeah my unyeidling is carapace or something

[fierce sinew]

nah unyielding is great

[north cradle]

Unyielding is bosses

Better on Deimos or Obscurus than Illisi

[worn bolt]

unyielding is my bowels after tacobell

[north cradle]

But my other option was uhhhh Sprint Efficiency

[fierce sinew]

better on deimos but still good

yeah aint no way you keep that

[worn bolt]

but hear me out... zoooom

[fierce sinew]

if infinite dodgesliding isn't getting you where you need to be fast enough did you really need to go

[north cradle]

He do be nyooming

[worn bolt]

control key is smashed into my desk at this point

[ember sentinel]

infinite dodgesliding is a godsend

[north cradle]

If I manage to get a new Illisi with a similar stat spread, I'm hoping I can kit it out with Maniac and Flak

[worn bolt]

also really helpful for if you turn a corner witha shit laod of shooters, they just can't do shit to you half the time

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/j7gbqd

[worn bolt]

which were maniacs again, ragers and shit? I know its the armor type but which have it

[spice veldt]

mutants, dreg/scab flamers, dreg ragers, scab trapper, scab bomber off the top of my head

[worn bolt]

so everything important for the most part

[spice veldt]

basically every specialist except sniper and dog

[worn bolt]

illi can kill dog with a single power attack anyway

[worn bolt]

gotta love the crabwalk combo

[spice veldt]

very stronk

[worn bolt]

honestly once you get used to it, it makes damnation pretty easy

[spice veldt]

can't believe that people think that infinite dodges is not a strong advantage

pretty much no penalty for dodge-sliding

[worn bolt]

I thought they tried to nerf it after beta, no?

or was that just dodge

[spice veldt]

did they? I only hopped onto psyker a month after the release; after they had nerfed the force sword's push

[worn bolt]

used to be able to pretty much infinitely dodge and they increased the cooldown on it, basically made it almost the same as vt2's dodge

[summer prairie]

the knife had, I think, infinite dodges and even faster/longer ones

[spice veldt]

oh right dodges in general

[worn bolt]

was it just the knife? thought it was for most general weps

[idle bay]

By the Emprah.. review-bombs downed Karktide from 65% to 61% recent...

[ember sentinel]

checks out

[ruby plover]

my power sword

sometimes i think about how op we were in beta

aside from chip damage at full toughness

zealot was so goofy

[shy prairie]

cannot understand having fun with the power sword, it goes fwoosh, the enemies are bisected and then.. you keep doing it

[fierce sinew]

does anybody think this?

sounds like some reddit shit

[unkempt juniper]

been using illisi
oh boy this is next on the chopping block i swear

[spice veldt]

I've had arguments with people a while ago arguing between the duelling swords/knife and force swords

with the obscurus force sword

[unkempt juniper]

do all the force swords have infinite dodges?

or just obscurus?

[ruby plover]

all baby

[unkempt juniper]

tbh its not something i really notice in-game

[ruby plover]

i sure notice it

i barely even push anymore man

just dodge all day

[spice owl]

I notice it when i switch class. Get bad habits

[fierce sinew]

yeah if you're not noticing it's because you're not taking advantage, it's pretty degenerate tbh

[ruby plover]

its okay when i switch to zealot i get used to twbs and fuck myself up on psyker

imagine psyker with twbs

[unkempt juniper]

psyker with a 3+ invuln save

[shy prairie]

well, at least if they kill my iblisi I can be a deimos enjoyer

[unkempt juniper]

just upgraded this on my psyker

ez game

[viral solstice]

now they nerfed power swords i can finally start using them

power sword VI is a push attack power sword

its very goofy

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/12UivluGnWDQwt/d1337Fdmdm3r?invite=cr-MSx4UnUsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

look at the damage on the heavies and lights vs the push attack

[potent echo]

Does the burn damage nerf on flak affect the purgatus? Or isit only orange fire

[summer prairie]

it affects the dot, not direct damage

for flamer it's both

[potent echo]

So is still purge nerf

Also they said they "fixed" criticals and burn stacks what does that mean

No more double stacks on crit?

[summer prairie]

you do get double stacks, maybe they work more consistently

[potent echo]

Wait so is ascendant blaze dead after the flak burning changes

[summer prairie]

if you run flak+wu it's fine

[potent echo]

Gotta test now what's the breakpoint

[graceful aurora]

Greetings brothers. How does one maintain max warp charges for 5mins?

[spice veldt]

i assume part of the challenge is just remembering to brain burst every 25-ish seconds or so

[graceful aurora]

fair enough, I have gotten to 268 of 300 seconds.

[spice veldt]

I got the penance on a hi-intensity map by just rushing a map with purg + communion + flayer

[graceful aurora]

Might just need a good group or the right level. The elevators have been screwing me

[graceful aurora]

ah, high intensity, that's what i need

[spice veldt]

consignment yard might be one of the better levels since it's a fairly linear level with little sidetracking

[timber bolt]

How viable is the purge staff now?

[spice veldt]

so you're going to be constantly moving forward and whatnot

[timber bolt]

Haven’t been able to play yet

[summer prairie]

the nerf hurts wrack and ruin and such more

[timber bolt]

But I was so happy with my ilisi purge build

[graceful aurora]

I dunno, but I've still been using it. I can't let go of the false Emporer Palputines power.

[summer prairie]

you still melt flak elites with purge

[graceful aurora]

I just like the stun

[spice veldt]

the direct damage dealt by purg is not insignificant

[timber bolt]

Okie dope!! Does it still stun ravers?

[cyan notch]

its only a problem at low stacks of blaze aka not purg

[timber bolt]

Ragers*

The left click used to stun ragers does it still so that?

[cyan portal]

hurts wildfire and wrack and ruin more than anything

[timber bolt]

I’m glad to hear it’s still okay, it’s the most fun I’ve had in ages

Thanks guys : )

[cyan notch]

speaking of purge

lets see what hadron does to this

[vestal raven]

thats nice

[cyan notch]

ill take it

[spice veldt]

huh

pretty nice

[timber bolt]

You want warp flurry right?

[feral verge]

Yup

[cyan notch]

i want focused channeling but its up to u

[timber bolt]

Why prefer that one?

Not challenging, just curious

Figure the extra killin is better the the change you get hit which ideally wouldn’t happen anyway

[cyan notch]

i play a little more aggressive with purg so it helps me not get cucked by shooters

[cold geode]

mod framework just got updated

[timber bolt]

Ah that’s fair

[timber bolt]

That’s fair!!

[cyan notch]

considering dropping nexus for channeling flurry but idk

[summer prairie]

nexus is stronger

[feral verge]

Aww hell naw

Especially after they buffed/fixed purga/flamer crits?

[cyan notch]

how much is it really doing though

2 charges and ur capped already

idk im on the fence

[summer prairie]

you get flak to higher stacks much faster

[cyan notch]

ok but how much faster is this much faster

[viral solstice]

cant sleep see u talkin about using purg

literally caught green handed

[summer prairie]

you spend more time spending your charge than charging with purg anyway

[viral solstice]

sf4 zangief lookin ass

[summer prairie]

so flurry not great

[cyan notch]

it was a ruse to keep u awake

you fell for it

[viral solstice]

wrong

i was awake as a ruse to make u fall for purging in order to keep me awake as a ruse to ruse me into staying awake

[feral verge]

Damn

We out here playing checkers

Crab playing 7d chess

[cyan notch]

no

he is fart

yknow what i should be like a deflector coper and and say focused channeling should be default for all staves

@ FARTSHONK PATCH NOW

i kinda forgot my old one is kinda the same thing

[feral verge]

I think all blessings should be built in

[cyan notch]

i think all guns should be built in to each other

[meager cedar]

Is carapace perk a good substitute for unyielding on a surge staff? Need to switch around some perks on a new staff

[ornate hamlet]

surge has carapace as one of its highest damages, so if youre looking into crusher hunting, sure

not that its recommended over brain burst

[potent echo]

I rather get +unarmored so you can deal with dregs slightly better

[meager cedar]

I usually use it to lock down ogryn squads and specials, and hordes if I'm not just swording through them

[runic nest]

what if you already have that, what's your second choice?

My surge currently has 25% unarmoured and 20% carapace

[viral solstice]

this is 100% true

[summer prairie]

for surge carapace is only crushers, pretty pointless to keep that

and you always want flak

[ornate hamlet]

surge has a critical bonus, so id personally at least want to keep nexus and crit chance on it

[spice veldt]

not that the crit bonus is that good anyways

really only a 30%-ish damage boost for anything that's not Unarmoured or infested

[ornate hamlet]

when is it

[runic nest]

I was wondering if infested or maniac could be worth it

for dogs and flamers

[spice veldt]

das true

[summer prairie]

absolutely not

[ornate hamlet]

i mostly just do crit on certain weapons because of some inherent synergy or to be an off-meta contrarian

[spice veldt]

mmm I would prob use the Surge for a quick stun and then melee dogs/flamers

[ornate hamlet]

flamers to me are gun or kinetic barrage material

dogs are bonking them on map geometry and doing a heavy headshot

[runic nest]

25% flak it is then

[ornate hamlet]

speaking of, right now i got this funny

wish i could roll the rending blessing on my blues already

rampage being activated on pushes is annoying

well, push attacks

[summer prairie]

against groaner hordes also on lights

[ornate hamlet]

not like i dont push attack on the loop, but it makes push attacking specifically 3 or more enemies a concern

[feral verge]

Imagine using dueling sword

In the age of Deimos

Actively throwing

[ornate hamlet]

otherwise i want to keep distance and not care about how many enemies i hit

this is the new mk4 im working on

it has better stats than the other and im hoping hadron doesnt cuck me

haha wouldnt it be funny to lose a sword like that to shit rolls

[feral verge]

Mk4 got drip

Dueling swords need a big buff

To compete with Deimos

[north cradle]

You can uhhhh dodge far

[feral verge]

Deimos ain't as far, but it's close

I love Deimos but it's sad

I used Mk4 for like a month

Till this update

[ornate hamlet]

the mk4 model is the only reason i still use the sword

well, that and the diagonal overhead lights

the mk5 has a wonky first light that tends to hit the body

the same goes for the mk4 first heavy, funnily enough

it seems the enemies are just prone to get hit on the body from that angle

[rocky cedar]

DS was never particularly good TBH

It's just fun

[ruby plover]

i love excited zealots