psyker-class

[gloomy obsidian]

Best stats for MK IV Blaze force sword?

[spice veldt]

I have a bloodthirsty blazing spirit one and I'd still prefer my slaughterer one

[gloomy obsidian]

Slaughterer best

[sonic coral]

yea I'm trying to build a better slaughterer one than my current

slaughterer and unstable power

[spice veldt]

probably warp res and mobility as your dumpstats

i personally choose warp res as my dumpstat

[vagrant frigate]

you want crit chance on illisi

[forest coral]

warp res would be my choice

[obsidian creek]

i just made this one before realizing that the special is different

[vagrant frigate]

because illisi benefits from crit like crazy

wtf wow

[spice veldt]

hopefully the special being different came as a welcome surprise

[forest coral]

mobility just lets u do so much more

[spice veldt]

well every force sword benefits from crit

[vagrant frigate]

first target is dump stat on illisi

[spice veldt]

though one could argue that the illisi benefits from crit the least

[vagrant frigate]

warp resist dump on deimos

[spice veldt]

because of the special spam

since the special has a reduced critical damage multiplier

[vagrant frigate]

no it doesnt?

it has more

[gloomy obsidian]

Best stats for Deimos?

[vagrant frigate]

its 5x damage on maniac

for crit

illisi is a crit machine

[vagrant frigate]

damage>first target>mobility>finnesse>warp resistance

[spice veldt]

i would not put finesse over mobility

[vagrant frigate]

i didnt

[forest coral]

hmm

id say more like

[cyan notch]

u def want finesse

[forest coral]

damage>finesse> first target> mobi

[vagrant frigate]

yes i put mobility above it

[spice veldt]

oh fuck

[vagrant frigate]

lol

[spice veldt]

i reversed it

[vagrant frigate]

idk

[spice veldt]

I meant I would not put mobility over finesse

[vagrant frigate]

everytyhing is good besides warp resistance

[spice veldt]

finesse is attack speed and weakspot damage

[vagrant frigate]

yeah which isnt huge on deimos

cuz you do L1 H2

[spice veldt]

it is absolutely huge

[vagrant frigate]

nonstop

[cyan notch]

u can get away with low mob on deimos its + even at low values

[vagrant frigate]

attack speed doesnt do anything

on deimos

[spice veldt]

yes it does

[vagrant frigate]

ok man

[spice veldt]

and the weakspot damage multiplier scales from 1.5x to 2.5x

[vagrant frigate]

finnesse is weakspot damage

[spice veldt]

yes

[vagrant frigate]

okay then its god stat

nvm

[obsidian creek]

can one of you reference where you found the innate crit chance of illisi?

[spice veldt]

If it's anything like the obscurus, it should be 0%

[vagrant frigate]

youtube video

[cyan notch]

its not any different from the other fs

which is nothing

[obsidian creek]

yeah the others are shit

so

please back it up with numbers if you claim a high crit chance for it lol

[vagrant frigate]

deimos goes crazy

[obsidian creek]

deimos crit chance is awfully low

[vagrant frigate]

doesnt matter

you dont build crit on it

[obsidian creek]

well

[spice veldt]

you also don't build crit on the illisi

[obsidian creek]

yeah

duh?

[spice veldt]

because it has the same crit dmg scaling as the other force swords

[cyan notch]

who is saying it has a high crit?

[obsidian creek]

someone did

[spice veldt]

and the special has a reduced crit dmg multiplier

[gloomy obsidian]

Decent start, it's the only thing I can get from brunt's for now

[spice veldt]

here's an 80% finesse Illisi's heavy-special

[vagrant frigate]

why would you NOT build crit when the multipliers are that high

[spice veldt]

where in the world are you reading this data off of

hit [V] and then [Tab] in game

well

actually you can't do that with the special

but for the normal attacks

you can see the critical damage dealt

[vagrant frigate]

youre looking at non charged attack bro

[spice veldt]

and I'm looking at charged here

time to whip out a bloodthirsty illisi to test it out

522.53 compared to 354.50

crunch the numbers and that's a 1.474x crit damage multiplier on infested

[vagrant frigate]

idk i think riposte slaughterer is still insane

[kind jay]

"disgustingly resilient"

[obsidian creek]

i'm confused as to why finesse would be wanted with force swords lol

[vagrant frigate]

its good on deimos

[obsidian creek]

attack speed doesn't matter, crit dmg doesn't matter

[vagrant frigate]

thats it imo

its weakspot damage

finnesse is weakspot not crit

its both

[obsidian creek]

true true

[vagrant frigate]

its good on deimos for breakpoints

[obsidian creek]

i'm assuming everyone uses quickswap for light attacks

[forest coral]

quickswap?

[vagrant frigate]

idk what that is

[obsidian creek]

hm

[spice veldt]

QQ?

[vagrant frigate]

i press 1 2 and 3 lol

like a NORMAL person

[spice veldt]

for the deimos, I'd do that for the l1->h2 combo

since you otherwise get locked into the other light

[forest coral]

l1 h2 has been the most consistent thing for me to do for accessing shank

[vagrant frigate]

this

you can also block and it resets shank

if you have to shove

[forest coral]

ye

i just like it cause the l1 there is a small diagonal

a lil bit of extra damage or kills annoying trash in the way before shank

[obsidian creek]

https://streamable.com/vy0au0

[forest coral]

but the push is great for like dealing with ragers

[obsidian creek]

quickswap light attack

[vagrant frigate]

lol

[forest coral]

oooh

nah

[vagrant frigate]

does that work on stabby left click

[obsidian creek]

yes

it's amazing

[vagrant frigate]

i must test

[forest coral]

that looks so jank lol

but wouldnt u just do more damage with shank spam tho

[vagrant frigate]

is it just a macro

[obsidian creek]

just a macro yeah

[vagrant frigate]

qq lmb?

[obsidian creek]

lmb qq

[vagrant frigate]

i am doing it rn just manually

[spice veldt]

I'd do it for lights if there were a few groaners here and there

but otherwise I'd activate the special for bosses or just QQ the 1st heavy instead of the 1st light for hordeclear if I didn't feel like using the special

[forest coral]

true true

nice thing with deimos is the lights are actually pretty efficient at medium hordes

[obsidian creek]

https://streamable.com/lbog8s

[forest coral]

since it does so much damage

[vagrant frigate]

get the one that makes it so headshots = rending

on that

[forest coral]

wew

wait

was that also kinetic flayer proc

[vagrant frigate]

ye

he bb'd it

[forest coral]

can u show one without flayer

[vagrant frigate]

ill make a macro

[spice veldt]

here's an example of the reduced critical dmg multiplier on Illisi specials https://streamable.com/z2anfi

[obsidian creek]

yeah it triggers flayer

[spice veldt]

this is with an 80% finesse illisi

975 over 788 comes out to a ratio of 1.24x

[vagrant frigate]

yes because the headshot doesnt matter

on illisi special

[spice veldt]

ah right the headshot

time to do it on a bodyshot

forgot about the reduced multiplier when combining weakspots and crits

[vagrant frigate]

i just know illisi sucks with headshots

it doesnt do shit

[obsidian creek]

here's without flayer on the illisi https://streamable.com/nzct0x

[spice veldt]

well the weakspot and critical damage multiplier are the exact same

[vagrant frigate]

yeah

thats why i said build crit

[spice veldt]

here's the testing done on flak bodyshots https://streamable.com/5g8pyb

[obsidian creek]

heres deimos https://streamable.com/tra4c9

[spice veldt]

there's also the fact that weakspot/crit multipliers drop with enemies cleaved

for the normals, only the first target receives the full 2.3x crit/weakspot multiplier which then drops to 1.15x for the 2nd/3rd/etc.

[vagrant frigate]

doesnt seem very worth it

[forest coral]

normal heavy shanking would kill them faster in this case

[spice veldt]

for the specials, only the 1st/2nd/3rd target receives the full 1.474x crit/weakspot multiplier which then drops to something that I forgot

[obsidian creek]

well it hits faster and you can hold it while sprinting, it's situationally good

[steep shuttle]

I just realized that light attacks on deimos do more damage than heavies

[spice veldt]

does more damage than the 1st heavy but not the 2nd heavy

[steep shuttle]

stab sward

that's what it wants to do

[forest coral]

the shank is like

incredible

but the lights are very good for what they are

[spice veldt]

shame that the duelling swords have none of what the deimos has

[forest coral]

deimos is the successful relative of the duelling swords

that does everything they do but better

but they play very similar too

[steep shuttle]

I do enjoy deimos when I have to delete a rager or something armored in the middle of a fracas

if for some reason somebody more suited cannot

[forest coral]

imma repost this agaaain

https://streamable.com/dfnzaz

[vagrant frigate]

bro u wanna see my deimos

[forest coral]

sure lol

[vagrant frigate]

i dont rlly clip shit

[forest coral]

i love this weapon since there's quite a few dynamics to it

[obsidian creek]

yeah so i feel like the quickswap is way more efficient in situations like that

[vagrant frigate]

lemme see

[obsidian creek]

just something you get used to using i guess

[forest coral]

yeah

Ive never used quickswap cancel outside of voidstrike

[vestal raven]

im a slave to illisi

[spice veldt]

too much APM for just spamming the 1st light

[forest coral]

ye

[obsidian creek]

it's the same thing basically

you can do it with lazpistol too

[spice veldt]

except you do it for the heavy on the illisi

[forest coral]

i know, i usually just odnt like using macros if i dont have to

[spice veldt]

it's easy enough to do it if you have your weapon keybinds on two different keys

for me, I have my ranged on Q and my melee on E

[obsidian creek]

some people are against macros

[spice veldt]

locks you out of sideways movement though

[obsidian creek]

to each their own

that's another reason i have it macroed, you can dodge around while poking

makes for fun melee

[steep shuttle]

I have uncanny strike on my deimos and it's real nice since the headshots come easy

[forest coral]

ye

uncanny is decent

[steep shuttle]

I was using slaughterer but it felt like I was killing slower

[forest coral]

waa

no dont drop slaughterer for it tho

thats direct damage increase as you kill

[steep shuttle]

Slaughterer is on my Illisi

[forest coral]

have it on both

trust me on this one haha

[steep shuttle]

I will when I make it orange

[forest coral]

think of it this way

slaughterer isnt just extra damage

its also extra stagger on top

[spice veldt]

and cleave

[forest coral]

and yes cleave too

[spice veldt]

and it increases all of them directly; +60% power is +60% damage, +60% cleave, and +60% stagger

[vestal raven]

wow thats pretty insane

always thought it was just dmg

[forest coral]

ye, it was the blessing that enabled the vanilla fs before last patch

turned it from a mediocre elite sniper to decent all rounder

[steep shuttle]

I wish it told you this stuff in game

in the perk description

[forest coral]

but afaik its the only blessing in fs that direclty gives more damage without relying on peril playstyles

[spice veldt]

though since the deimos has normals that you're going to use often, uncanny strike isn't a terrible option;
for the 1st light (stab), 100% rending is a
- 1.33x increase in damage against infested
- 4x increase in damage against carapace
- 2x increase in damage against maniac

for the 2nd heavy, 100% rending is a 1.5x-ish increase against carapace

though not that you should be using the lights against carapace or maniac ideally

still a bit more mediocre than slaughterer even if the condition to trigger it is easier than slaughterer

i'd probably pick it over unstable power tho on the deimos

[forest coral]

yup the normals are actually really good unlike its predecessor

[spice veldt]

obscurus had good normals too >:(, just that they weren't single target except the 3rd light which is also the 1st light on the deimos

[forest coral]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-ye-robert-pattinson-the-lighthouse-willem-dafoe-gif-16327355

i unno, it just felt

sluggish

[spice veldt]

damn two bottles thrown at me

[forest coral]

like it was aight for picking off trash but

was horrendous outside of that

[spice veldt]

i liked the light->heavy combo and having to cancel it since it gave a reason to push

[forest coral]

ye

that was actually fairly decent in horde clear

[spice veldt]

pre-patch obscurus, I could reach 80-ish minimum cleave damage with the heavy

[steep shuttle]

What would you pick obscurus for now?

[forest coral]

deimos can do the same but its lights are good enough for me not to bother with it

[spice veldt]

4 heavies to kill 11 poxwalkers at minimum

[forest coral]

ye

[forest coral]

its really preference at this point

[spice veldt]

slaughterer + unstable power

[forest coral]

there is some players who still like it, i personally find it outclassed by its newer cousins

[spice veldt]

since the sweeping lights don't have a weakness against infested unlike the stab lights so uncanny strike is almost pretty much meh

oh what reason would you use the obscurus

[forest coral]

ask derpyslurpee, he was very vocal on it lol

[spice veldt]

yeah none in particular unless you prefer the more horizontal 2nd heavy over the more vertical 1st heavy of the deimos

since despite my love for the obscurus, I despise the sticky special

The Illisi and Deimos offering their respective reasons for avoiding the sticky special

I think derpy is warm to the deimos now

[forest coral]

I still like my obs but deimos just felt better for me

then again I think its because its super similar to elf weapons in vermintide

[steep shuttle]

obscurus special should do something different from the other 2

[spice veldt]

they nerfed Bloodthirsty, so I no longer have a strong preference for obscurus over deimos

[forest coral]

it just felt nice the moment i picked it up

[steep shuttle]

make obscurus shoot a cone projectile or something

[forest coral]

yeah

sadge about bloodthirsty nerf

never had the rng to try it out in its full glory

still dont have tbe blessing

[spice veldt]

smh

smh my smh

maybe make the obscurus special akin to the crusher special with a stagger aoe

[steep shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dbz-dragonballz-gif-5367140

[spice veldt]

might be a bit much though

[forest coral]

Melk showered my psyker in guns that would make vets froth at the mouth

[steep shuttle]

when do we get this staff?

[forest coral]

knowing full well she aint gonna use them

[spice veldt]

in a year when they finally remember that we only have CC staffs

[forest coral]

and never once did i see bloodhirsty in store

[spice veldt]

my peril glock

[steep shuttle]

Trauma staff feels so bad to use

[spice veldt]

:(

[steep shuttle]

it's got kind of short range by the way its targeting works

[spice veldt]

:(

[forest coral]

suplex my boi

[spice veldt]

that's true

[forest coral]

u will appreciate it in hi intens 5

[spice veldt]

though the range is still longer than the purg

and well suited for pretty much most map sections that I encounter except areas like the area leading up to the finale of excise vault and etc.

just have 700 hours on the trauma staff to get used to the targeting

[vagrant frigate]

[obsidian creek]

so how do you determine your charge level for it

do you always try to full charge?

[spice veldt]

yup

because of the fact that it scales damage AND AoE with it

that's basically cubic scaling

[steep shuttle]

I wish it was bigger

[spice veldt]

unless I'm killing something like a flak enemy

[steep shuttle]

vermintide size

[forest coral]

Flurry also makes trauma much nicer to use

[spice veldt]

if it was bigger, it would be a bit too strong

[obsidian creek]

flurry / shockwave for it?

[spice veldt]

and keep in mind that the outer area interrupts the volley of shooters when sufficiently charged

[cyan notch]

thats l2

[spice veldt]

it's not just the damage that you should be caring about

it's also the stagger

though if you don't take advantage of the stagger, then I can see how it's meh

[forest coral]

think of it this way

[obsidian creek]

what blessings you like on it

[forest coral]

there's no target limit to what you can burst or kill in the epicentre

[spice veldt]

I prefer focused channeling over rending shockwave so that I can hold W into shooters

[forest coral]

you can aim it in mixed hordes and stagger/ knockdown any elite

[spice veldt]

since I don't care about crushers since they already get CCed by the trauma staff

[forest coral]

doesnt matter how thick the hordes are, they will get gibbed

[obsidian creek]

so you go focused and flurry?

[hollow spruce]

how rare is bloodthirsty on the force sword

[spice veldt]

i only recommend focused if you take full advantage of it

[forest coral]

im nearly 500 hours in and never seen it

[spice veldt]

e.g., running into shooters

[forest coral]

[hollow spruce]

damn man

[spice veldt]

otherwise, rending shockwave is better

i got my bloodthirsty at 500-600 hours

[hollow spruce]

spent 10K plastile and didnt see it

[spice veldt]

what a t4 only blessing does to a mf

[forest coral]

im glad its not an enabler like Vet powersword cycler is

[spice veldt]

damn; if only we had another blessing like that besides slaughterer

psykers truly are oppressed

[obsidian creek]

you can indeed roll t4s onto a blue though

i rolled a power cycler off of a 357 green

so, don't lose hope

[forest coral]

yeah, its like korean mmo levels of rng to get something useful tho

[vagrant frigate]

@forest coral i have linkin park playing in all of it lol

but ill show you how i play deimos

[forest coral]

thats fine

[vagrant frigate]

i dont rlly clip shit

[forest coral]

linkin park is slowly becoming less cringe

[vagrant frigate]

i just went through a breakup

its my sigma music

[forest coral]

i understand

[vagrant frigate]

idk if you guys think healthbars mod is cheating

i have it on in some of this

doesnt change how i play tbhh

[spice veldt]

I personally don't use it but I don't mind if other people use it

[forest coral]

i dont like it, but i dont care if other people use it

[vagrant frigate]

idk if i like it or not

[forest coral]

eh, its a multiplayer coop game so its like w/e

if it was an advantage in pvp then id care lol

[vagrant frigate]

i use purg staff because i can swap to to stun stuff in a pinch

as youll see

im not a normal cringe purg user

[forest coral]

nah, embrace the cringe

[forest coral]

u are playing psyker after all

thats some good stabbing

[autumn smelt]

love me deimos stab attack

[forest coral]

being able to one tap muties

priceless

[obsidian creek]

i like how you speed up with the charged heavy held down while sprinting

it's fun

[vagrant frigate]

yes

[autumn smelt]

walk up to enemy
left click
win

[forest coral]

approach child menacingly

[spice veldt]

it's a very nice move tech

[obsidian creek]

yea

[autumn smelt]

i love it

[spice veldt]

prepare your heavy during a slide to avoid the initial slowdown and then hold your heavy after you stand back up

[primal plume]

What stats should I be looking for in Surge Staff

[forest coral]

all these techs is what makes deimos fun to use

[spice veldt]

then QQ cancel the attack and repeat

[obsidian creek]

although, now that i know the islislilsi is supposed to special attack like yall said

i'm about to play it like a power sword

i'm intrigued

[forest coral]

damage, crit, charge speed

others are like, eh

[autumn smelt]

it is a little cringe in that it is only for one swing

[forest coral]

tbh surge is the least reliant staff on stats

[obsidian creek]

awww

damn

[forest coral]

since its mostly anti flak and cc stick

[obsidian creek]

oh well

[forest coral]

That one swing will do plenty dw

i think vaness tested on t4 slaughterer

can cleave up to 28

28 targets is the limit

so go nuts

[obsidian creek]

at least the light attack is back to the original lawnmower with quickswap lights

[cyan notch]

its not 28

[obsidian creek]

that's one thing the deimos doesn't do

[spice veldt]

probably 20 rather than 28

[vagrant frigate]

@forest coral \

[cyan notch]

no way u have 28 cleave

[forest coral]

well, ya can test with vaness later

that waht they told me yesterday

[forest coral]

ayy

https://streamable.com/zag5pu

[spice veldt]

special cleave is 10.5 base and you can have 95%-ish power with t4 slaughterer and t4 unstable (or 100% with t4 slaught and t4 exec), so that comes out at 21 cleave

[vagrant frigate]

up your fov bro

i cant see

[forest coral]

im used to it ahaha

[vagrant frigate]

i have two seperate mods that up my fov

so i can see

i cant play under 120 most games

[cyan notch]

yea 21 sounds more likely

[forest coral]

well, still alot

[kind jay]

wait till they see my default fov

[vagrant frigate]

bro keemo

[spice veldt]

45? 30? 2? 1? 0.001?

[vagrant frigate]

you should see the buttfuck wizardy i pull off

with fs

and infinite dodge

[forest coral]

oh ye?

[vagrant frigate]

yes

i only play psyker for the infinite dodge

[forest coral]

its kinda nutty now that dodge distance on these new swords are huge

[vagrant frigate]

i love how it 1hits ragers

99% of the time

[cyan notch]

its only deimos that has super dodge

[forest coral]

ah

[shut ether]

If I Get Brutal Momentum off of a Tactical Axe, can I put that on my Combat Axe?

[sterile vale]

Nope

[shut ether]

I forget and I don't want to waste melkbucs

ty

Might have to try out surge

If the Emperor wills it

[vestal raven]

IT IS DONE, GOOD VARLET

[vagrant frigate]

ay i have that

just not the unarmored

[shut ether]

Is unarmored good? I'm not familiar with Surge

[vestal raven]

crit chance instead?

was thinking that too @vagrant frigate

[kind jay]

yes

[vagrant frigate]

@forest coral

nah i have the purg staff

[vagrant frigate]

almost as good as yours

[vestal raven]

25% flak is the play

[vagrant frigate]

oh for sure

[fallow meadow]

You think I can get a better one if I upgrade this? I don't have plas now.

[vagrant frigate]

thats amazing

carapace sucks

flak over unyeilding

[rocky cedar]

Unyielding is aight if mercing bosses is valuable to you

[forest coral]

ahaha, bullying

[near wyvern]

Damn, I am jealous

[rocky cedar]

I want this so bad

[vestal raven]

nutty

[vagrant frigate]

put warp flurry on it

and its pretty much god

[vestal raven]

and swap off carapace

[vagrant frigate]

to flak or unarmored

[vestal raven]

^

[vagrant frigate]

damage doesnt do much on purg

burn is #1

but the one you already have is amazing

[spice veldt]

I like the one you're currently running; I personally treat warp res as the dumpstat on purg

[kind jay]

what if the emperor gave you

but also

[spice veldt]

is that on the achlys

[spice veldt]

oh shit

[vagrant frigate]

take the blessings

yoink

[kind jay]

LOL

[spice veldt]

o shit stats

f

[vagrant frigate]

take headtaker

and put it on smth else

[spice veldt]

mk4 TAxe is a pretty good TAxe for brumo headtaker

since it has diagonal lights which don't have a damage target cap unlike TAxe heavies

[kind jay]

its like the emprah tried to light me a blunt but used oregano by mistake

[vagrant frigate]

wow this is nice

[cyan notch]

gunner resist mid

revive speed mid

[vagrant frigate]

revive speed is good

i revive so many people as psyker

with kd and ult

and i run 60% gunner resist

90% toughness regen

then some other shit

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[mortal crest]

Do blessings transfer across all force swords or nah

I don't remember.

[vagrant frigate]

nada

[mortal crest]

Oof

[spice veldt]

yes

they do

[mortal crest]

Aight bet.

[vagrant frigate]

they dont lol

but ok

[spice veldt]

they transfer between the obscurus, deimos, and illisi

[vagrant frigate]

illisi is seperate

i swear to god

[cyan notch]

this takes 2s to verify

[spice veldt]

I think you need to sleep more

[cyan notch]

u should try that

[vagrant frigate]

im checking

u rite

kinda wanna try shred 4 deimos

cuz mine has transfer peril and thats useless

and i got a shred 4 roll one

can put slaughter on

[fierce sinew]

you don't need to check, different marks share blessing pools

different weapon patterns don't

if the words that come after the mk[number] are the same, you chillin

[blissful dirge]

Is there an Internal cooldown on the Transfer Peril blessing?

[ruby plover]

oh lord i just read some redditor takes on illisi

[golden tartan]

Do enlighten us

[ruby plover]

its bad

apparently

[blissful dirge]

at fighting bosses? sure. everything else? lmao no

[spice veldt]

special deals bonus against unyielding

[ruby plover]

(its not bad at fighting bosses)

illisi can literally one shot bulwarks

its boss damage is just fine

[blissful dirge]

yeah but the obscurus has better boss damage I mean

[spice veldt]

it definitely does not

the illisi's special deals bonus against unyielding, which the plogryn, bon bon, and dh are

[lucid olive]

is special damage shown in game stats anywhere?

[spice veldt]

nope

gotta test it out yourself or use a certain calculator that I'm currently not in the time or place to link to

alright here's the calculator https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

here's the illisi's special against bon, dh, and plogryn

and here's the obscurus' special

marginally lower bodyshot damage in all cases, but marginally higher weakspot damage in all cases

and since the special doesn't lock you in place for a moment, it comes out to more DPS

[golden tartan]

I what

A powersword on steroods

Bad

What

Now i gotta see this post

[still hearth]

The weapon that can cut through 21 poxwalkers

Not one-shotting bosses

= bad

[potent echo]

Wait you can one shot bulwarks

[still hearth]

You need to have everything stacked and be at high peril but yeah

[potent echo]

It shows around 1.1/2.7k damage on special heavy crit headshot

[golden tartan]

Slaughterer

[potent echo]

alright if you stack all the things then it might be possible, pretty wild

looking at the calculator, light1 from deimos can one shot shooters/stalkers damn

[vestal raven]

Recommended perks for surge staff?

flak and maniac?

[still hearth]

Check the damage chart for the secondary fire.

Since data calc doesn't show what damage it does. But I think it does meh maniac damage

[clear heath]

Flak is the main thing i really care about on surge

it's so ass at hurting anything else

[forest coral]

flak and probably stamina/ sprint honestly or unarmoured

[clear heath]

I'm thinking unarmoured

[forest coral]

yeah, like its not great but it can take out groups of gunners

[cyan notch]

all trash mobs get 1 shot with with stab

[clear heath]

I don't even think you can get sprint speed on ranged weapons

[still hearth]

There's no sprint speed

Only efficiency

[clear heath]

i mean eff

i don't think it's on surge

[forest coral]

ah stam then

i unno, apart from flak everything else is like

eh

[clear heath]

stam on ranged weapon only works when the weapon is out

[still hearth]

Run Flak + Unarmored and shoot them with the LMB

[forest coral]

which is good for chasing down the vet in the party going on a volley fire rampage

[still hearth]

You're not meant to run with staves out

[forest coral]

vaness u know who im talking bout ye

[still hearth]

Just AFK and take the free W

[forest coral]

nah, if theyre gonna abuse the damage, may as well help them get an easier w

or play loot goblin

[clear heath]

idk maybe elite damage? is that a thing ranged weapons can have?

[forest coral]

Not 100% on surge

But tbh it would be pretty inconsequential

[clear heath]

so would just about everything else

[forest coral]

Ye, that’s why I’m like eh just go stam or something

Maybe crit

Actually

Crit.

So u can rng zap extra target

forgot that was even a thing

[late yew]

is lightning even worth using on horde?

[clear heath]

no

[forest coral]

hell no

It’s like the worst thing u could do

Damage fall off from first target is crazy

Target cap is 5 unless crit

Ye

And worse is the bounce is rng on what gets controlled

[clear heath]

is the breakpoint calc broken for surge staff?

it looks like those are just staff bonk numbers

and primary

i guess lightning damage was too much work to figure out

[forest coral]

I’d say it’s better to judge in psykanium

[still hearth]

They're just the special staff hits

The calc doesn't have the lightning for some reason

[cyan notch]

yup

same for purg

[late yew]

And i am still not sure if i should charge staff at all

like if mostly what we want is stun, makes sense to spam it

[potent echo]

charging it is useful for killing the handful of gunners behind cover, not so much for mixed hordes

[idle bay]

Question to VT2 veterans: was there any effect that reflected damage?

[potent echo]

unless you can get your charged surge off on scab mauler/ragers at the front of the horde

[stable silo]

lol this sword

[golden frigate]

Unlimited 2cm dodges

[cyan notch]

nope

[stable silo]

urgh so close

[idle bay]

I see. Was there any ricochet mechanics?

[cyan notch]

no i dont think so either

[idle bay]

crosses out few things in his notebook
By the way i uded your resources screenshot for topic suggesting a minor band-aid changes to crafting system. It was a perfect for it 🙂 Topic will get ignored for sure... But it had to be done 🙂

[cyan notch]

wdym

[idle bay]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/band-aid-for-crafting-system-bribe-hadron-option/77651/6

[ornate hamlet]

dump stat being moody

[cyan notch]

oh lmao yea im always hovering around 40+k diamantine

i think im at 47k now

[vagrant cedar]

i'm really curious if they gonna make the game free to play once they fix all the shit

like evolve

[idle bay]

Your crafting materials situation was perfect for such topic 🙂

[vagrant cedar]

red items and 100% not out yet is it

[cyan notch]

no lol

[vagrant cedar]

damn

[idle bay]

Hadron is running local gambling ring. Also she overcharges Rejects in materials costs for her services and deliberately makes bad upgrades to get even more materials. And she uses all those extra materials for her own projects and for good upgrades for regular inquisitor's operatives of less expendable grade (to keep her from the hot water).

[vagrant cedar]

that's how you prolong the end game

in a game with no end game

[cyan notch]

gotta rng at brunts then rng at hadron

[idle bay]

Crafting system is a slot machine with best strategy is to stop spinning as soon as possible unless you get good perk and blessing on blue item 🙂

Though it's a bad slot machine - it does not feed into desire for gambling, no dopanime surges... nothing. Bad slot machine!

[vagrant cedar]

you get dopamine hits when you find them 5 value stacks of resources

small hit after a small hit

surprised there's still 6k peak daily gamers in this

no new maps

[idle bay]

It negated by knowledge that it will most likely go to waste at Hadron's casino 🙂 And all that time you spend collecting those small dopamine hits will get you nothing 🙂

[still hearth]

Because hitting the heretics

Feels fucking great

[vagrant cedar]

how many same heretics in teh same rooms can you kill

[still hearth]

All of them

[vagrant cedar]

the correct answer was FOR ETERNITY

[idle bay]

Only source of Pleasure in this karking mess of the game is purging heretics.

[vagrant cedar]

best part

[idle bay]

And some rare fun players interactions as cherry on top

[vagrant cedar]

maaaaan this game is so much better than VT2, sucks that they butchered the launch

😔

[still hearth]

And the crafting

[vagrant cedar]

well, by launch i mean that they released half a game

early access pretty much

[still hearth]

Well they still haven't fixed the crafting

[idle bay]

We still flying half of the ship

[vagrant cedar]

madness

i'm wondering if they are making all these changes with the idea of red/100% items coming up

or they will change everything again once they are out

[twilit badger]

Crafting been just so much waste of materials for me

[regal jasper]

How is phyker always active?

Server will be dead except for this chat

[twilit badger]

Maybe i'm cursed but wasting 20k plasteel and couldn't even get 1 T4 blessing

Is pretty brain ded moment

[still hearth]

Currently Psyker is the most fun class.

[twilit badger]

So i quit craftinf at this point

Just

[regal jasper]

True

[twilit badger]

Big E's gift

And melk

[ornate hamlet]

zealot has the funny semi-immune dash

it ties between freak and priest

[twilit badger]

Power of faith

Cuz in Warhammer universe

If you believe shit so hard

Then it grants you power

[primal plume]

TIL you can examine power cells

[ornate hamlet]

funny eagle

[drowsy slate]

What is considered the best build atm for psyker?

[potent echo]

yes

[still hearth]

Your choice of Illisi/Deimos, or Antax.
Then pick a staff you like (not Surge) or one of the good guns.

[kind jay]

reconlas or revolver

nah too big brian. just go with shredder

[steel egret]

Laspistol

[late yew]

I am about to hit 30

what should i do with gear

What power is worth upgrading?

[steel egret]

Depends on item

[primal fjord]

Why you make PapaPalpatine sad.

[stable silo]

nothing he said about surge was shocking

[kind jay]

it may not be electrifyingly good, but its currently not a bad choice

[steel egret]

I mean its fun stun stick, thats how I use it

But its partially tied to my surge staffs being utter shit.

[kind jay]

my game is full of muties and dogs

my surge doesnt care

[steel egret]

Mutie does sick dance moves when he gets shock

Shock staff is all fun till your team doesnt kill anything.

[lilac tapir]

My first decent Illisi dropped, First Target too low I guess? Rest OK? Thoughts?

[kind jay]

shock + illy them

easy

[steel egret]

Yeah

But if you cant reach them

And your team vet is collecting his pokemon cards from floor

Albeit full charged damage is alright, I still do more with other staffs.

Its very situational if its ok in ranged situation I suppose.

If enemies are all piled together they get fucked

Or if they are behind thin wall they get fucked

If they are spread out, you are somewhat fucked as you have to run around pick and choosing if you want to ranged kill.

[kind jay]

i find my full charges to just outright kill things

[near wyvern]

FUCKING FINALLY. THANK YOU HADRON.

[ionic frost]

damn

still no bloodthirsty

[river sand]

could by a obscourus with bloodthirsty and t4 deflector today

[ionic frost]

but i just got power cycler a day or two ago =)

[river sand]

too sad its shit now

[ionic frost]

yeah it should be 5 seconds

imho

they're afraid of wildfire melee spam?

[river sand]

its okayish for illisi special spam

[ionic frost]

tho for illisi it'd be nasty with 5 sec duration

they could change it per weapon

maybe 2 seconds for illisi

[near wyvern]

time to give this a spin

[ionic frost]

4-5 for the other two>

nice

i like

[steel egret]

Mm

[near wyvern]

although it might not be as good as this one

[river sand]

does it apply the soulblaze (and spread with wildfire) if you kill the target with the attack ?

[near wyvern]

no

[river sand]

then i fear standard slaughterer is way better

[drowsy slate]

How does blood thirsty Funktion?

Kill something with special attack next attack Auto crit?

[river sand]

next attack after special attack killshot is crit. was crit for 5 seconds

[near wyvern]

after killing something with special attack your next swing for 5 seconds is gonna crit, it's consumed on that crit

[drowsy slate]

Why is it good?

[river sand]

it was good before the patch

now its not so

[near wyvern]

I will show you in a minute

[twilit badger]

Is it just me or melk's random gambling item gotten far far worse than before the crafting patch

I tried it 3 times, items all just been white with really low scores

Like 305 and so

[river sand]

brunt gives me lowish 300s all the time as well

[drowsy slate]

Noticed this too

[near wyvern]

@drowsy slate that's 50 poxwalkers, killed 47 of them in 5 swings so around 9-10 poxies per swing

https://streamable.com/nnakjw

[drowsy slate]

But wouldn’t slaughterer be better for that?

[kind jay]

why not both

[drowsy slate]

I mean like enough

[near wyvern]

it has both mate

[summer prairie]

has anyone noticed that void charged shots don't suppress at all, lmb does

[near wyvern]

more is more, you can special up and just gib the elites

[near wyvern]

it's the RMB explosion that supresses, not the projectile

[summer prairie]

yeah but how does that make sense

[near wyvern]

if you use quell cancel macro on RMB you can just supress a whole squad of ranged

[near wyvern]

calssic fatshark

[drowsy slate]

Nevermind i looked up the possible blessings and I saw there is no good other blessing available 😂

[summer prairie]

actually i'm not seeing the explosions suppressing either in the grinder, might be different on a mission

[drowsy slate]

What is that?

[summer prairie]

the explosions only suppress if they hit and even then it's low suppression

[kind jay]

you can use quell to animation cancel on staves to spam lmb (or also rmb on void)

lets you machine gun fire

[drowsy slate]

Oh i see now what is meant thanks

Still trying to learn 😅

[summer prairie]

https://streamable.com/dhl646

[kind jay]

you know its early morning when matchmaking fails for t4

[summer prairie]

Meanwhile look at purge https://streamable.com/nbolsj

[near wyvern]

@drowsy slate https://youtu.be/kaF6_PMLkgY

it's more of a visual prettyness than effective DPS but it supresses a shitton

[summer prairie]

can you get the suppression to work in the grinder

it certainly staggers

[near wyvern]

supression is a bit weird in grinder

doesn't work the same as in missions imo

[viral solstice]

make the ai active if u want to sim it properly

[summer prairie]

it is in the second one

not that i noticed a difference

[viral solstice]

theres some stuf fin blackboard

that responds to suppression that doesnt happen if the ai isnt on

but i dont think it matters mostly

[summer prairie]

rmb explosion suppresses if it hits but it's way lower than just lmb flying past the target

[viral solstice]

o wait whats the mod that shows the enemy state

update to the creature spawner?

[summer prairie]

secret

no

ok you can find it on the mod discord

[viral solstice]

ah i havent been playin so havent bothered updatin mods

[summer prairie]

https://streamable.com/ey7p65

[viral solstice]

he really do be upset

by the left clik

[summer prairie]

meanwhile direct explosions add like 4 suppression and it decays so fast you can never get it high

[viral solstice]

ive never noticed much suppression with voidstrike but then again i just blast stuff so it ees wat it ees

[summer prairie]

two direct lmb hits and a reaper is permanently suppressed if you keep shooting

[late yew]

d

REEE

[ornate hamlet]

real

[summer prairie]

Purg suppression is pretty ridiculous, just demonstrates how useless terrifying barrage is https://streamable.com/1vbgjl I don't think terrifying barrage even triggers when the dot kills the target

though to get to that point i first did a short secondary charge and then only maintained it with lmb

[late yew]

What is considered kills by soulblaze, aside from purgatus?

Worth buying?

[kind jay]

yes

its good enough on its own but at least you can strip slaughter off it too

but thats perfectly workable

[late yew]

Why strip slaughter?

[twilit badger]

To put on better swords

[kind jay]

yeah

[near wyvern]

any kill that has the soulblaze effect on them and that was made by you or another psyker having AB

[summer prairie]

doesn't get much better than that anyway unless you really want low warp resist

[near wyvern]

yeah bloodthirsty blazing spirit on illis is a bit meh

[late yew]

... that's what i asked, what applies soulblaze

[near wyvern]

the proc kills anything so fast it's hard to get the fire going

you are just better off stacking bloodthirsty with slaughterer and then do push light heavy

[late yew]

So i have 0 idea on how crafting works. What should i do with it now? ANd how blessings work?

[twilit badger]

Because you already deleted enemies with Illisi

Before benefits from soulfire

kek

[summer prairie]

upgrade it to orange and replace stamina with flak probably

or maniac

[twilit badger]

If it were additional direct dmg instead of being DOT dmg

It could have been useful

But nah

[late yew]

So i do this and i give up the weapon?

[near wyvern]

purgatus, blazing spirit (on crit blessing), Ascendant Blaze, Wrack and Ruin

[kind jay]

NO

[summer prairie]

don't do that

[twilit badger]

You give up the weapon

And gets blessing

[kind jay]

Consencrate (upgrade to orange)

[late yew]

yes, i read that

[twilit badger]

To apply on other weapons

But only do that with shitty weapons

That Illisi is pretty usable

Use it till you get better swords

[summer prairie]

"usable" it's perfect

except for t3 slaughterer

[late yew]

Ok, what do i do now

[twilit badger]

Use it

Till you get better blessings

Than unstable power

And swap it

[late yew]

I see

Can't reroll perks?

[lethal folio]

This mod is making me learn a lot about stagger count, and how it doesn't make sense.

[twilit badger]

Reroll unarmored dmg

[summer prairie]

yes, useful mod

[twilit badger]

You already pretty much deletes unarmored enemies

You don't really need it

[lethal folio]

No respite scales so high on things like beast because stagger count only resets when a stagger animation ends.

But I can't figure out what triggers a stagger count +1 if it doesn't cause an actual stagger

[viral solstice]

stagger count lol

[twilit badger]

Explosion causes stagger on bon

[viral solstice]

on BoN specifically?

[twilit badger]

Barrel explosion at least

[viral solstice]

hes got some weird hit response stuff

im pretty sure thats what ur seeing

[lethal folio]

It's not just beast

[viral solstice]

on other enemies when i looked at it ages ago

[drowsy slate]

Thanks mate

[lethal folio]

He's just the most egregious

[viral solstice]

part of the fuckness was from the default stagger count going up by 1.5 not 1

tho it could be overriden

[late yew]

how?

[lethal folio]

It did lead me to learn that for the ragers and bulwarks, they have a mechanic where increasing stagger count actually reduces incoming stagger power

so they get tougher instead of weaker by stacking attacks

[twilit badger]

Examine crafting table

[safe crystal]

Whats a better blessing combination than unstable/slaughterer on Illisi? Unstable goes up to 20% power on T4 at 80% peril, nothing else comes close to that

[lethal folio]

that's only 11% extra damage if you have slaughterer active, you can get a better utility blessing if you want.

[viral solstice]

bloodthirsty is fun

[lethal folio]

See look at this, sometimes the count goes up without at a stagger.

[safe crystal]

Like what, for example

[lethal folio]

on crits

[safe crystal]

Im genuinely curious

[twilit badger]

bloodthirsty/executor

I'd say bloodthirsty is better

[viral solstice]

this is the shit i found previously that made me stop bothering

stagger-count would not increment or clear properly

in a bunch of situations

i assumed it was just that u were getting state transitions that were chopping off the parts of states that should be clearing values

but its just like

[safe crystal]

Executor resets whenever you use special, its at near same value as unstable except you cant use specials.

[lethal folio]

The consistent thing is it always clears when a stagger animation completes.

[twilit badger]

Executor is for spamming light attacks

[viral solstice]

ye thats what i mean

[twilit badger]

Pretty much 25% power all the time when you fighting off hordes

[viral solstice]

that u get situations where its happy to increment

[safe crystal]

Yes, like i said. You cant use specials at all, otherwise you lose it

[viral solstice]

with the assumption that u would get a paired clearing animation

but then no animation

[twilit badger]

For specials use bloodthirsty

[ornate hamlet]

ayo, i didnt realize blessings were account-wide

[twilit badger]

Like there aren't THAT good of blessings left to choose for FS once you get Slaughterer

[lethal folio]

I'm going to stick it in a bug report, but that doesn't have a high chance of going anywhere

[viral solstice]

in fact its probably just that the system that increments simply isnt hard linked to the beginning of a fulls tagger animation

it's that simple

they have a bunch of errors like this

and the decrement is logically linked to the stagger state that doesn't always get triggered

[late yew]

Which power level minimum to be worthy to upgrade to orange?

[twilit badger]

If you are in the mood of gambling for T4 blessings

Even shittiest of shitty ones

Preferably the one you got from emps gift

Since it comes with purple

[summer prairie]

Yeah don't use purg near a DH https://streamable.com/s28dpp

[late yew]

So when i do this the other perk will be locked?

[twilit badger]

Yes

Will be locked

[late yew]

• 1 stamina is alright i guess

[summer prairie]

no

[twilit badger]

It's okay on FS

[summer prairie]

reroll stamina

[twilit badger]

Since FS comes with shitty stamina

Like only 3 bars

[late yew]

it has 3 stamina by default

[summer prairie]

it will be better when they fix it

[twilit badger]

Fix what?

Did they ever say that it's an unintended feature? 🤔

[late yew]

So what perks should i be looking for now?

[halcyon creek]

So don’t upgrade it at all, if “it’s going to be fixed”

[summer prairie]

it doesn't use its inner block range values, everything is like you were blocking a hit from behind

[late yew]

+15% block efficiency right now

[twilit badger]

Can't go wrong with flak armor dmg

And maybe maniac types to achieve some breakpoints i guess

[late yew]

fuck

i rerolled + 20% against maniacs

[twilit badger]

It's okay

You want 25% one

Anyway

Also after you reroll it enough it becomes free to reroll

So just reroll it

[late yew]

what was that reroll mod

[twilit badger]

Reroll until rarity

I think what it's called

[late yew]

thanks

+20% block efficiency good on illi?

[ornate hamlet]

gets fairly saucy if youre doing the funny deflector tanking

i do wish deflector was base to all fs and the deflector blessing enabled the ranged block during revives

[late yew]

i gotta find deflector blessing

it only appears on FS right?

hell yeah, found it

now

[ornate hamlet]

possibly overkill, since you can get a nice amount of block efficiency on curios and have 3 slots for those

[late yew]

What should i look for in reliquary

just got orange one from emperor gift

[wet belfry]

I really dont think block efficeny is worth it

[late yew]

Trash?

[wet belfry]

Like the situations this will matter are situations you really shouldnt find yourself in as a player.

[late yew]

Situations where it matters is when ally is downed

To revive

[wet belfry]

Ye but then revive speed works even better

Its also not like the psyker struggles there.

Kinetic deflection + the base stamina is alot of wiggle room to get a revive.

[ornate hamlet]

yep

the stamina is more to deflect on emergencies and do a little trolling on the shooters

if youre maxed on peril, the deflector goes straight to stamina

that shit can drain fast if youre in the thick of shooters

[wet belfry]

By that point however something has genuinely gone wrong.

You didnt manage to hold enough peril + stamina with a weapon with infinite dodges.

Like its obvious that its either about to be a wipe or the player is severly out of position. The last answear is that the player just genuinely isnt using the mechanics offered by the game to avoid shooters (dodging, sliding).

[ornate hamlet]

well, people can edge on peril, why not on stamina as well?

[wet belfry]

I think the stronger manuver is to invest into pure sprint efficeny or stamina efficeny.

They are more versatile stats then block efficiency.

[cyan notch]

stamina regen

[wet belfry]

Ye its probably the better stat.

I personally run both on some classes.

I think the major differnence between these stats and the block efficeny is that block efficeny is defense only, while stam regen, sprint efficeny have usages both defensive, offensive.

Ex sprint efficeny can allow you to sprint slide for longer, thereby engage gunners easier in melee.

On the other hand if the player needs to retreat stamina efficiency also makes sprinting last longer.

[near wyvern]

@summer prairie this is what one can do with trauma, just walk in the middle like you don't care

it's surprisingly effective on holds / objectives when you can just create a safe space around you

https://youtu.be/CWUnfFfvB4o

[neat sand]

That seems a lot of work when you could have cooked them in half the time with a flame staff XD

[spice veldt]

it's useful on Hab Dreyko where the objective is scanning and there aren't really enough ranged/special spawns to warrant killing the horde

same goes for ammo raid and excise vault

one blast is all you need to get a scan off reliably

and if your teammate is trusting enough, you can just blast under their feet as they carry the ammo/bio contagion

[summer prairie]

that's nice due the blazing spirit, because otherwise psyker can just push through or spam push to lock them in place with peril block anyway. Of course better when there are elites mixed in

[spice veldt]

but you'll run out of stamina more easily and you'll need a power buff from slaughterer to push against a horde

[neat sand]

Letting the hertics live is a crime against the Emperor don't give the zealots any reason to smite you 🙂

[summer prairie]

they still get staggered in place

[spice veldt]

and what if the horde is blocking your way

still more reliable for a circular AoE than pushing where it's only particularly effective in an angle in front of you

and the aoe and reach of trauma is far larger than pushing

[summer prairie]

if you get completely surrounded you can get stuck with just regular pushes and no ult, but don't think I've ever had that happen

https://streamable.com/s96hwf

[spice veldt]

this is about supporting a teammate who's carrying a heavy object though

[neat sand]

I often have used a 6 charge 100% peril shout to remove dogs form party members 1 floor above me (some people just can't stay with the party lol)