Friendship is heresy
#psyker-class
forest coral
woeful cliff
Friendship is magic and magic is heresy
calm sapphire
Friendship is magic and magic is heresy
Ah from my little pony is that right?
woeful cliff
Picture of space marine punching a pony or something idk
prisma copper
What feats do I run with shredder / what perks am I looking for?
faint vault
111112
forest coral
You need pinning fire and preferably blaze away as blessings
faint vault
Pinning fire/blaze away
forest coral
Also aim for flak+ unyielding
the enabler is pinning fire
Without it the gun is t r a s h
woeful cliff
The need for Flak damage is so abundant.
faint vault
Or 1-1-2-1/2-3-3
kind jay
ok im done rolling these
summer prairie
I'm not
feral verge
ok im done rolling these
id swap nexus off for transfer peril
summer prairie
it's surge actually
kind jay
surge doesnt have it
summer prairie
it just has a skin
feral verge
oh i got fooled by the skin
still hearth
People gotta stop using skins.
still hearth
vagrant hollow
guys whats the build with surge staff?
still hearth
Depends on what you want to do
feral verge
warp nexus warp flurry
kind jay
i use the voidstrike skin because its small
feral verge
surge is mid tho
weary palm
my brain bursts when playing surge
olive ember
surge is mid tho
Fk u surge staff best staff
vagrant hollow
i mean talents not blessings
feral verge
okay gunker malice player
olive ember
weary palm
beam staff when
kind jay
Fk u surge staff best staff
no no. surge is trash and should totally be buffed!
still hearth
Surge does need buffs.
feral verge
no no. surge is trash and should totally be buffed!
it almost IS trash and should get a big buff
kind jay
i agree
olive ember
i mean talents not blessings
Eh run idk like 3/1/2//1/3/3
kind jay
calm sapphire
it almost IS trash and should get a big buff
Make surge staff able to cc Beast of nurgle and PO and other bosses 
faint vault
Just let me shoot a massive thunderbolt with the weapon special, and I'll be happy.
kind jay
it should increase target count based on charge
olive ember
Just make it cc entire hordes at the same time
feral verge
let it do damage, thats all i want
olive ember
Then jt will be balanced
onyx lotus
how does crit work on surge? like for the entire chain, or does it crit on some enemies in the chain?
twilit flicker
I hate using surge, I ain't nobodies glorified taser. Except for me, I take because I want to, not so I can make you feel safe. But watch out for that poxwalker!
begins tasing
If you die, I die, and we can't have that!
feral verge
i feel more safe when they have any other staff lol
cuz i associate surge with the many noob psykers i've encountered using it
spice veldt
i consider surge a DPS loss most of the time because you're preventing enemies from clumping up and you're not using melee
olive ember
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feral verge
its a huge dps loss
twilit flicker
I prefer playing aggressively with fire as my chosen weapon. If there another Purge staff user it's on. If that zealot is acting too aggressive it's on!
spice veldt
if i have a living teammate, it's on
feral verge
i always see surge users in damnation with around 150k dmg, while everyone else is pushing close to 400
twilit flicker
Only I can carry the team no one else lmao
calm sapphire
i feel more safe when they have any other staff lol
Surge cc niche is nice but most pubs kinda already know how to deal with pox and muties pretty easily imo
kind jay
cant do damage if youre dead. surge prevents a lot of deaths
support is powerful if you know how to use it
spice veldt
i'd rather die fast than finish slow
still hearth
It really doesn't.
feral verge
you cant take damage if everything is already dead, from voidstrike, trauma or purga
still hearth
The other staffs all staggger most things
kind jay
welp maybe im the only good surge user in existence idk
feral verge
that's the thing
spice veldt
depends on what situations you use your surge staff
still hearth
The only unique thing is that Surge is most reliable and can stun mutants
The other staffs can all stagger all elites and specials otherwise
wet belfry
The problem with most surge players is that they begin spamming the staff relentessly
spice veldt
but adding to the DPS of your team is the most useful thing IMO
feral verge
the best surge user in the world cant compete with an ok void/purga/trauma user
wet belfry
Its like they completely forget they have 2 other ways of dealing damage.
olive ember
welp maybe im the only good surge user in existence idk
I’m an amazing surge staff user
I just mostly run malice
kind jay
YOURE THE BEST DERPY
feral verge
ye
still hearth
You want to have it out as little as possible
river sand
problem with surge is you can hit only a hand full of enemies so its usefulness goes down dramatically on damnation
still hearth
But then you're just playing backup
wet belfry
You want to have it out as little as possible
Thats how i feel with most staffs in the game.
still hearth
I run like 80% of runs with Voidstrike out
olive ember
But then you're just playing backup
You call it backup I call it overlord commanding his minions to do the menial horde clearing while you lock the important enemies
still hearth
Purg you also want to swap constantly
spice veldt
i have my melee out 80% of the time with trauma
still hearth
Because of AB stacks
calm sapphire
But then you're just playing backup
What if you could adjust the targeting parameters on surge to target specials + any ranged fodders while ignoring melee fodders?
feral verge
70% of the time i have my illisi sword out. 30% of the time i have purga out
still hearth
That doesn't really save its core problem
spice veldt
still terrible damage
still hearth
But it would at least make it more reliable
olive ember
What if you could adjust the targeting parameters on surge to target specials + ...
They want damage and killing power which the surge isn’t good at so yeah
still hearth
It's just such a niche that doesn't need to be filled at the cost of effectiveness.
If it could at least like
Slow down bosses
Or stagger them a bit
That'd be something
river sand
surge would be good if it could roll blazing spirit
olive ember
But yeah there’s only like two ways of buffing surge without homogenizing it and that’s either a) make it cc literally entire hordes at a time or b) buff single target damage rly rly hard
wet belfry
Cant they just add an actual good special.
feral verge
surge would be good if it could roll blazing spirit
i'd love to use that with wildfire tbh
summer prairie
make it so it does full damage to all targets as long as they are non-elite and buff unarmored damage
wet belfry
Like the specials on all the staves are such a waste of time.
spark oxide
I run like 80% of runs with Voidstrike out
How do you build your VS? I haven't been able to get mine off the ground
feral verge
the special has only been useful for me like 3 times, where i used it to knock a doggy off of so mebody
river sand
imagine a surge staff with uncapped blazing spirit and its 5-6 crits from the low dmg dot. playing 10+ stacks per cast with a wildfire AB build
river sand
How do you build your VS? I haven't been able to get mine off the ground
flak+unarmoured with flurry and transfer peril or nexus/surge
feral verge
this is the meta/bis perks/blessings
olive ember
You are telling me
feral verge
except maybe switch infested for unarmored
olive ember
You choose to have a block on the end of a stick as your staff appearance
calm sapphire
the special has only been useful for me like 3 times, where i used it to knock a...
For purgatus, even if a hound pounce at you when flaming it, you are always guaranteed to cc it off you correct?
still hearth
How do you build your VS? I haven't been able to get mine off the ground
Basically what Mankar showed.
Though I run Unarmored
Because I prefer to hit the oneshots on shooters over infested scrubs
feral verge
For purgatus, even if a hound pounce at you when flaming it, you are always guar...
not guaranteed. lmb has wonky hitboxes and i think hounds and bursters get sttager resistance if someone shoots them
summer prairie
infested is only for farming more overkill
river sand
summer prairie
since you want to almost full charge anyway to cleave 6 targets
near wyvern
I forecast the following in next update:
- Illisi & Deimos (damage) nerfs
- Illisi & Deimos built in Deflector will get fixed
- WU will get toned down to +5% with additional +10% based on peril but will continue to affect all damage
- Shredder blessing nerfs
- Wildfire will not get fixed
- Trauma Bulwark interaction will not get fixed
- Veteran buffs
feral verge
flamer nerfs
grizzled jasper
Is this the comms link we’ve been waiting for
calm sapphire
Is this the comms link we’ve been waiting for <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Live commlink
spice veldt
weapon balancing patch next week 🤔
still hearth
Vets don't even think Psword is OP
calm sapphire
Vets don't even think Psword is OP
Thoughts on deimos against bosses?
I shredded through assasination magis
still hearth
It doesn't actually do a ton of damage I think. The H2 spam seems decent.
long wharf
unless you're DoomGuy, avoid Deimos.
lethal folio
single target sword good against single targets
viral solstice
what if ur doomcrab
still hearth
You do 699 on weakspots with H2 vs bosses
So maybe around 1k DPS if you do L1 > H2 combo
fierce sinew
People asking for nerfs in a pve game where the average teammates callus their hands from dragging them on the ground so much are a special kind of stupid tbh
still hearth
If you can reliably hit weakspots
calm sapphire
single target sword good against single targets
I had to babysit a vet the entire game
still hearth
Which is pretty nasty.
still hearth
People asking for nerfs in a pve game where the average teammates callus their h...
If they don't have internal balance between classes asking for enemy/difficulty balance just becomes twice the issue.
Same with weapons, feats, blessings
spice veldt
if I frame it as "buffing enemies", would you agree
still hearth
The Power Sword currently is so strong that if you buff other weapons to match it, the game has no difficulty.
fierce sinew
Internal balance is a pipe dream though, and having some things be bad on purpose is a fairly mainstream design principle
olive ember
if I frame it as "buffing enemies", would you agree
No pox hounds are aids enough reee
spice veldt
i mean the problem is that it is quite a level above the other weapons
viral solstice
Internal balance is a pipe dream though, and having some things be bad on purpos...
spice veldt
it's not a binary "worse or better"
viral solstice
mainstream in that in most game design courses the example of "toughness" from 3rd ed dnd as a trap feat is used as a literal example
of outmoded logic?
yeeeees
we made this thing shitty as a joke
spice veldt
in the same way that although the obscurus is worse than the other two force swords, it's not that far off
olive ember
3rd Ed DND? 3rd Ed? What a BOOMER
fierce sinew
aside from the jokes it's a lever that gets used to make the good things (that the player is actually meant to use) feel powerful by comparison
viral solstice
spice veldt
which the concept of the special already accomplishes
"have this small moment of downtime for big dick energy"
fierce sinew
the power sword isn't the only weapon in the game
spice veldt
yes?
that's one of the major points of the weapon balance discussion
and you aren't the only player in the game
fierce sinew
I'm making a more general point about the power spectrum of competing elements in general
Feats, weapons, etc
spice veldt
I have no problem with one thing being better than another
snow panther
I had to babysit a vet the entire game <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
how did you get a readout of the actual after game stats??
spice veldt
but if it is such a standout
calm sapphire
how did you get a readout of the actual after game stats??
mods from nexus called scoreboard
spice veldt
e.g., certain TAxes being better than another because of better attack directions
that's fine by me
fierce sinew
That's not to say that it can't be taken too far of course, but having some things be just bad is a feature, not a bug
calm sapphire
how did you get a readout of the actual after game stats??
heres a guide if your interested
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11cod2i/guide_how_to_install_mods_in_darktide_w_gifs/
spice veldt
but it's clear that they forget about certain things
fringe garden
Im fine with outliers, so long as all classes have something that stands out as powerful as well. Like if they nerf the new Force Swords while leaving the Power Sword I'd feel some kinda way about it.
spice veldt
devastating strike being nerfed to the ground and being left untouched for months after that
they really should reevaluate weapon balance
fierce sinew
I'm not sure what kind of autism plagues you but not every sentence typed in chat is a direct response to you personally and the hyper specific thing you are presently thinking about
(this one is)
spice veldt
:(
then write it out in more detail
I can only garner so much from sentences
if you speak broadly, then you leave more up to interpretation
reeks of "it's other people's fault that they don't understand me"
robust relic
Siblings! I think I replace flurry3 with flurry 4 since transfer 2 is good enough? which perk do I replace (presumably with Flak)?
still hearth
I'd rather have Transfer Peril 4 personally.
And those perks are a bit sad.
I'd replace Weakspot with Flak
robust relic
its pretty esy to weakspot with void, so wouldnt 8% weak just be 8% dmg?
fierce sinew
the crit/weakspot perks are the things that stand out most to me as underpowered by oversight rather than design
still hearth
its pretty esy to weakspot with void, so wouldnt 8% weak just be 8% dmg?
No
That's not how it works
It increases the difference between your base damage and the weakspot damage
fierce sinew
its pretty esy to weakspot with void, so wouldnt 8% weak just be 8% dmg?
precisely because it doesn't work like this
safe crystal
8% weakspot damage is literally 10 damage on a max damage roll voidstrike
robust relic
oh wow, that's not what it seems like at all haha
fierce sinew
it seems really clear that the person who picked the values for the perks and the person who did the damage calculation weren't the same person, and probably weren't talking enough at the time
if they want to keep the arcane damage calculation that 8% needs to be like
500%
or something
still hearth
Voidstrike without weakspot damage vs voidstrike with 10% weakspot damage
You do a staggering 12 extra damage
robust relic
how does the 4% crit actually work out on that 400 damage hit? +4% chance to do 800?
still hearth
The crit will do about 100 extra damage
Because crits are also absurdly complex to do
And all weapons have different values for everything
strange nova
Hello Spark'ead friends
safe crystal
Feel free to correct me if im wrong, but the damage calculation for the weakspot damage increase is (base weakspot - base bodyshot)*1.08, or something pretty close to this
spice veldt
in this case, the crit multiplier being 1.3x more than bodyshot damage
strange nova
Krugg da Ogryn 'ere
feral verge
hello krug the ogryn
robust relic
lovely, so it s a bunch of numbers none of which mean anything like what they seem to mean...
strange nova
I wonder if i might get one of you frens assistance at some point
I'm in need of your juicy 15% CDR
still hearth
Feel free to correct me if im wrong, but the damage calculation for the weakspot...
It's (Total Weakspot Damage - Base Body Damage) * weakspot multiplier.
fierce sinew
And all weapons have different values for everything
this is what's actually hard about the perks being the same across weapons, in the current regime any number you picked that was usable on all weapons would be busted on the ones with good multis
safe crystal
It's (Total Weakspot Damage - Base Body Damage) * weakspot multiplier.
Aight, so i wasnt COMPLETELY off the rails. Thanks for the correction
still hearth
this is what's actually hard about the perks being the same across weapons, in t...
Which wouldn't be a thing if crit damage was just X % of the total value. Then all weapons would get an equal boost but crit weapons which should be stronger on crits, would be stronger.
fierce sinew
agreege
still hearth
But Fatshark had to make it immeasurably complex
fierce sinew
the actual right decision seems like just to scrap the goofy ass damage formula
which won't happen
still hearth
And apparently they also use some inane curve on the weakspot and crit damage
Which is why you lose like all of your bonus to it when you cleave
viral solstice
olive ember
I need to make a meta vet guide on Reddit using the revolver and knife
Call it the cowboy build
robust relic
so do things like +25% Flak actually work as written on the tin?
still hearth
Yes
viral solstice
ye they are multiplicative
viral solstice
will now use the buff multis from ur swapped weapon
still hearth
10% weakspot which isn't actually 10% extra damage on hitting weakspot
Or 25% damage which increases all the damage to that armor type
Including crit and weakspots
safe crystal
Nah, precog BiS on everything
leaden thunder
true
feral verge
Wish staff had precog
still hearth
On most weapons 10% power would be better than 100% weakspot damage.
Amazing system
safe crystal
Trauma with precog and transfer 
viral solstice
i think in particular
weakspot stuff is profoundly unintuitive
because its like
if i shoot u in the head
u get fucked beacuse its ur head
still hearth
In fact 10% power on Voidstrike would be 53 damage while 100% weakspot damage would be 112 damage.
viral solstice
not because my gun has bonus to headfucking
safe crystal
Didnt they buff all or nothing? Does it still apply to everything you do?
viral solstice
u will have seen this when u hit a beast of nurgle in the mouth right
robust relic
Oh, there's an interesting question, Scab bruisers have a mix between unarmored and flak, and many others as well are like that...how does it decide if you are applying a given modifier when you use things like Purgatus? or how does soulfire decide what it uses to compute tick damage?
viral solstice
so now u end up asking urself
still hearth
They buffed it and it only applies to your melee now.
viral solstice
wait if they have positional damage multipliers, why dont enemies have big damage taken mods on their heads
on top of weakspot stuff
??
still hearth
Oh, there's an interesting question, Scab bruisers have a mix between unarmored ...
Whichever weapon is active and the base armor type of the unit.
viral solstice
still hearth
If you go into Psykarnum and burn then you'll see the armor type that it does.
spice veldt
wait if they have positional damage multipliers, why dont enemies have big damag...
clearly we need two independent systems for it
still hearth
Scab bruisers are flak, Dreg bruisers are unarmored.
frail summit
any goood?
feral verge
Executor bad
still hearth
any goood?
Looks pretty pog but low stats.
feral verge
Slaughterer good
olive ember
@viral solstice have you played GTFO before
robust relic
Whichever weapon is active and the base armor type of the unit.
Ah so the specific hit locations are only relevant for melee or bullets? not Purg/soulfire?
olive ember
I think you would fit right into that game
feral verge
robust relic
that is an angry crab, but not tiny
feral verge
No tiny crab dark souls gifs
olive ember
robust relic
Ok, so, given how bad you guys have said crit is, why do people advise Nexus on staves?
viral solstice
depends on the staff
leaden thunder
applying other effects generally
viral solstice
on voidstrike nexus procs surge
olive ember
Cuz crit gives more effects on surge and purge
viral solstice
purge crits = u apply 2 stacks of burn on a tick instead of 1
and on surge theres nothing else u can put on
feral verge
Crit on purgatus puts 2 stacks of burn
leaden thunder
truama can do funny fire staff
olive ember
Surge crit has a stronger CC effect I heard but eh
viral solstice
i mean what other blessings even are there for surge
leaden thunder
uh
viral solstice
run n gun?
olive ember
i mean what other blessings even are there for surge
Surge had identical blessings to purge so
leaden thunder
like 1 not shit one
viral solstice
exactly
olive ember
Run n gun focused channeling terrifying barrage warp flurry
viral solstice
so theres no real options
crit oculd be the worst thing ever and it does more than those mostly lol
clear heath
Ok, so, given how bad you guys have said crit is, why do people advise Nexus on ...
Crit damage is always bad
Crit chance to proc certain effects is sometimes good
viral solstice
staff blessings: really shit
still hearth
20% crit is basically the only way to increase damage on the staves
spice veldt
focused channeling is my love
feral verge
Y u getting hit
spice veldt
bullets r hard to dodge
clear heath
dodge better
calm sapphire
range critical hit damage better than crit percent perk?
spice veldt
i get sad when I swap to my staff from my force sword and realize that I hit the cap on my dodges
shadow wigeon
guys whats the build with surge staff?
There are a lot of builds that work
321113 for max efficiency lightning
321112 if you want to pop off blaze instead of brain burst (make sure you're boosting your blaze with illisi slaughter power stacks)
311113 for warp unleashed damage
322133 for team support (aura)
feral verge
range critical hit damage better than crit percent perk?
Crit chance every time
Crit DMG is shit, as we were discussing above
calm sapphire
Is it bad to run 3 +3 stamina curios?
shadow wigeon
Is it bad to run 3 +3 stamina curios?
What he means is, yes
feral verge
I run 3x hp
spark oxide
There are a lot of builds that work
321113 for max efficiency lightning
321112 i...
Don't mind if I copy this for future reference 😂
spice veldt
i run 1 stam curio
I used to run 3 +1 stam curios back when they were bugged, and I don't really recommend it unless you like to run around like a gremlin
feral verge
You take extra DMG when sprinting, btw
So running everywhere is ill-advised @calm sapphire
spice veldt
sure, but you're going to outpace melee enemies and you should be running perpendicular to ranged enemies
shadow wigeon
Don't mind if I copy this for future reference 😂
Of course. I'm currently having the most fun with max efficiency for Hi Shock control, but teamed with a 111112 (I wouldn't recommend this one particularly) recently for least CC and most damage, and he was way ahead damage wise. Really milked the blazes.
spice veldt
of course this advice when applied to psykers has a stronger case because of force swords having infinite dodges
clear heath
run 13 stamina, block eff on everything, inner tranq, 6 charges, kinetic deflection, quicken
Block forever
calm sapphire
So running everywhere is ill-advised <@538719701757329408>
I generally don't sprint too much when the horde comes tbh
viral solstice
You take extra DMG when sprinting, btw
watch this
feral verge
I have a a shieldgryn force sword
summer prairie
you just run that build with deimos and horizontal dodge past everything while blocking
spark oxide
That sounds awesome! I am currently running trauma staff and deimos just cause I haven't gotten my Purg off the ground enough for Damnation, BARELY good enough for Heresy, but a Blaze build is really what I wanna go for rn
feral verge
calm sapphire
I have a a shieldgryn force sword
I have been running deimos to delete crushers and bulwarks since at times BB is too slow when there are 4-8 ogryns
shadow wigeon
That sounds awesome! I am currently running trauma staff and deimos just cause I...
Well you can try surge staff and blaze build 😮 hybrid is fun. All those builds work and do slightly different things, so whatever suits you best.
feral verge
ill post what i use
shadow wigeon
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/11TGEvnaL38ftO/d1337elzt0a...
Duck Dive and Deadshot on vet has taught me the value of dodging when you are being shot at.
viral solstice
duck n dive deadshot should be the mandatory vet build
so ppl have to learn how the game works
viral solstice
the moment ppl suddenly understand that they can do stuff hta tmakes them immune to guns
spice veldt
:o
robust relic
I run 322131 for surge, I like flayer+quicken a ton on it, so I can dump peril, keep surging, and get the dump back up faster.
feral verge
i swap between these two swords
on my main build, which is purga
im not sure what i like more
i think illisi is overall more useful for my setup
the low peril resist, exorcist
v nice
weary palm
deimos is so goated
drowsy slate
What is the best cc weapon for psyker atm?
weary palm
surge/trauma probably
snow scaffold
Force sword 5 imo
snow scaffold
Surge for horde + elites, Purge for staggering most enemies + doing more damage
feral verge
surge is badf in horde
snow scaffold
Surge you have to rely on decent teammates to kill the elites
kind jay
surge is for specials
clear heath
Surge you have to rely on decent teammates to kill the elites
or you rely on yourself, as you have your own sword
clear heath
For surge, pretend your ranged weapon is your grenade slot and your grenade slot is your ranged weapon
and it'll all make more sense
still hearth
If you run 4 Surges
weary palm
i feel like this is all staves
still hearth
Any time there's less than 24 enemies
weary palm
except void
clear heath
well purg qualifies as an actual weapon i'd say
spice veldt
Any time there's less than 24 enemies
and assuming that they all target different enemies
clear heath
you could think of trauma as a spammable grenade sure
snow scaffold
Surge is good bc you don't have to aim and you can make far targets more visible
snow scaffold
Especially shooters near cover
feral verge
purga is the best cc
snow scaffold
Purge makes it so hard to see sht
feral verge
nukes the whole screen
strange nova
So pals, is it good practice to ask park'eads to 'elp with a penance?
still hearth
Trauma is basically a better Vet grenade
feral verge
surge is terribad at hordes lol
strange nova
Krugg understand is a bit iffy
feral verge
it will only stun like 8 enemies
olive ember
So pals, is it good practice to ask park'eads to 'elp with a penance?
never had someone ask so dunno
strange nova
Krugg is askin'
snow scaffold
it will only stun like 8 enemies
I use surge as support
snow scaffold
We all know purge is better for hordes but surge has some good benefits for crowd control over purge
snow scaffold
And crushers
feral verge
purga stuns everything else, and actually kills them
a dead enemy is permanently CC"d
snow scaffold
It doesn't stun crushers and bulwarks that much
feral verge
lmb
snow scaffold
And it makes everything messy so it's harder for the team to focus kill
spice veldt
i'd rather DPS down crushers and bulwarks unless they're spawning in massive numbers
olive ember
eh
shadow wigeon
it can stun muties and bursters
Muties, bursters, dogs, crushers, opens up bulwarks to hits, stops shooters.
spice veldt
even then, they will follow you once they perform two attacks if you back away until you step forward
olive ember
psyker DPS against crushers is BB anyways
snow scaffold
Yeah but I'm talking really chaotic situations not easy to manage ones
olive ember
so you can bring surge and still dps crushers
snow scaffold
Like the crusher is about to knock your teammates down, mutants are throwing your teammates and it's that moment your team can lose the game
still hearth
Its way better
To clear the enemies around crushers
And make room
Than to stun the crushers
shadow wigeon
It's a choice, it's not better.
still hearth
Purge keeps you from getting into situations where you have to use Surge
No its definitely better to run anything but Surge
shadow wigeon
Purge keeps you from getting into situations where you have to use Surge
That's just not true...
still hearth
olive ember
is it tho? when my teammates can't dodge for shit and get overhead by singular crusher
still hearth
Unless you're being carried and want to save the people doing the work
shadow wigeon
I find Purg boring and has cc that doesn't matter
fierce sinew
nah if people are getting bopped by crushers without other enemies constraining their movement they deserve it
snow scaffold
That's true but I care about my plasteel
fierce sinew
yeah you're right, monkeys have thumbs
snow scaffold
Can't pick it up if your team loses the game
fierce sinew
amputee monkeys
olive ember
Toxic smh
still hearth
I never feel like we lose because of a situation that surge solves
Instead I feel it much more when things aren't dying fast enough
spice veldt
well it's rather that purg allows you to effectively use surge
still hearth
Some Veteran with XII and not Psword
spice veldt
since you can't really control the targeting
snow scaffold
I'll try purg more on armor
still hearth
Purg fucks anything up except Carapace
faint sigil
Por que no los dos
spice veldt
purg works on everything that's not a crusher or bulwark
still hearth
In fact it does more damage to flak than unarmored
snow scaffold
If you aim at them they usually get shocked
olive ember
Eh “fucks” is a strong word when it’s like a full charge to kill a mauler
faint sigil
I don't need purge, thats what my illisi is for
spice veldt
it's strong word when we're talking about a single mauler
spice veldt
but if we're talking about groups of enemies
shadow wigeon
And ragers
You're thinking of flamethrower
olive ember
Well yes but they gotta be in a line
summer prairie
that would be useful if there were infinite amounts
snow scaffold
I use a lot of melee but there's situation where using staff to stun in better for team survival and your own
fierce sinew
you get to pick 1 guy with surge, the rest you just hope it picks the right guys and not the irrelevant horde chaff interspersed between
faint sigil
If you're in a horde, don't use the surge, swap to melee
shadow wigeon
you get to pick 1 guy with surge, the rest you just hope it picks the right guys...
Either the targeting is smart or it's not that hard to grab the targets you want... I don't usually have a problem grabbing priority targets.
olive ember
I do find it funny that zealots are called shouties but we are the ones with the funny knock ‘em over shout
shadow wigeon
The worst part of surge is when that random grunt didnt get caught by anyone and just walks you down.
olive ember
I mean melee weapon I guess
faint sigil
Melee is very strong and good
spice veldt
not when your melee's cleave gets stopped by carapace
snow scaffold
Again I'm using surge to support and prevent the team from taking extra damage, I'm relying on my teammates to do the killing. I know how to melee if I need to as I play aggressive with vet and zealot
gilded viper
No ogryn 
frail berry
Dang, still no news about whether deflector on FS is intended or bug (thinking bug but no fix so far or mention today?)
gilded viper
Wasn't it confirmed a bug by the dev already?
frail berry
oh ya?
gilded viper
Heard it was somewhere on the forum or something
shadow wigeon
Dang, still no news about whether deflector on FS is intended or bug (thinking b...
I'm sure it's a bug just not a big priority because it doesnt affect too much
gilded viper
Who know if it won't be in the minor update next week
jagged lance
Again I'm using surge to support and prevent the team from taking extra damage, ...
YUP, IT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE STAFF FOR SURE
ruby plover
well it could be a little better at doing that :)
still hearth
I mean its good at that.
But the Ogryn Shield is also great at tanking shots from gunners.
But that's just not very useful 90% of the time.
summer prairie
surge is pretty useful on hi shocktroops
still hearth
It definitely helps when 6 trappers comes around the corner
summer prairie
you can have 6 mutants at once, or more if you hit a level spawn point
anyway it's better now that psyker has higher dps melee weapons
you can only use one weapon at once anyway
gilded viper
Surge bad cause it need teamwork /s 
calm sapphire
What if we could switch our melee for another staff?
olive ember
I'm sure it's a bug just not a big priority because it doesnt affect too much
You say that but they have a history of fixing bugs no one cared about
kind jay
i'd bring 2 swords before i bring 2 staves
leaden thunder
and not fixing ones that are really easy
for a long time
fire frenzy just now getting fixed
olive ember
Still sad that they didn’t run a primary side arm melee system
I could use a funny lad pistol or shredder with my surge then
shadow wigeon
You say that but they have a history of fixing bugs no one cared about
For sure. Just because we see a bug s=doesn't mean they're all equally easy to fix - so I expect them to prioritize easy fixes. The FF8 fix took quite awhile and it's a pretty wild bug.
olive ember
For sure. Just because we see a bug s=doesn't mean they're all equally easy to f...
I mean the ff80 bug is literally a typo no?
still hearth
Pretty much
leaden thunder
it is
gilded viper
Sidearm would be nice but seeing we don't have that many I guess it not realistic thing they were thinking of
robust relic
I win far more pugs with surge than purg, my pug teammates get hit by everything all the time, surge keeps them safe
summer prairie
Their developers likely aren't spending a lot of their time fixing bugs right now, probably haven't since Christmas
shadow wigeon
I win far more pugs with surge than purg, my pug teammates get hit by everything...
Yeah surge is excellent for pugs. Great on Hi Shock as well.
olive ember
Their developers likely aren't spending a lot of their time fixing bugs right no...
They had their first break, then their second break, what about 3rd break kek
robust relic
Surge has some utility vs hordes if you arent in a wide open space, if you stun the front of a horde when they are coming down stairs/hallway/etc collision stalls the whole horde. Good vets notice and nade them there
shadow wigeon
Yeah there's a lot of things you can do with it
pull shooters out from behind cover
left basin
is obscurus any good for anything now
wet jacinth
shadow wigeon
scan and tag enemies whiel you are juggling other enemies
wet jacinth
whiel
shadow wigeon
its german for "while" which means "during"
gilded viper
is obscurus any good for anything now
Believe all the fs are in a good spot tho I haven't use that one after the 2 new fs
olive ember
It’s a deimos with a lot less damage and mobility for a bit more horde clear
shadow wigeon
The new FS are specialized in a way that leaves the Pbscurus in a tricky place.
wet jacinth
We send the little German boys to the Black Templars
olive ember
I still use it cuz honestly the OG FS special is enough for 90% of use cases
For single target
shadow wigeon
Yeah agreed
gilded viper
Ob fs can atleast want to use the special compare to deimos
Deimos feel like I'm griefing myself using special instead of L - H combo
robust relic
Deimos feels very bad when vs a horde, for me, but I do miss the "kill elite" button when using Illisi, it makes me consider switching back to Obscurus for purg staff
lucid olive
worthwhile?
shadow wigeon
worthwhile?
Outstanding
twilit badger
Does 76% burn
Achieves 15 burn stacks?
You kinda need the one with 15 burn stacks
lucid olive
yes
twilit badger
Makes huge differences
shadow wigeon
I believe 76 is the cut off
stray radish
is there any universal/optimal build for deimos and voidstaff or palpatine staff? I'm still kinda new to psyker...
robust relic
melk needs to give me higher level nexus for mine
shadow wigeon
is there any universal/optimal build for deimos and voidstaff or palpatine staff...
For palpatine there are many builds, but you could start with max efficiancy first
321113
I would not use Deimos with it, but Illisi for hordeclear.
Other build options
321112 for blaze bursting
322133 for team support
robust relic
I enjoy 322131 for surge, I have a lot of success with it, gives the team support aura and PW off CD all the time
shadow wigeon
What is the math on flayer + quicken vs just staying at 6 stacks all the time I wonder
robust relic
surge doesnt do much damage anyhow, so having 6 stacks isnt that important to me if I am running surge
shadow wigeon
surge doesnt do much damage anyhow, so having 6 stacks isnt that important to me...
For tranquility
near wyvern
Who is this guy not taking WU
twilit badger
Warp flurry kinda unneeded on Purgatus?
shadow wigeon
Warp flurry kinda unneeded on Purgatus?
It's very fun and seems very strong
robust relic
Warp flurry kinda unneeded on Purgatus?
flurry good, you want full charges
shadow wigeon
Although sometimes overkill
elfin crystal
i think it's just overkill. there's more usefull stuff
shadow wigeon
@ 5 stacks you sometimes hit max charge before the next wave even makes it in range
twilit badger
Focused channeling worked greatly than flurry for me tbh
near wyvern
Nvm I am drunk
Warp Flurry is super good on Purge
Allows you to charge that tank up so fast
elfin crystal
you don'r really need it. even without you'll spam for days
shadow wigeon
It feels really good
The downtime is almost 0
and you can get it up to speed really fast
summer prairie
You spend less time charging on purge than with other staves
near wyvern
It's not for the reduction in cost it's for the fact that your min charge will have enough juice to stagger things so you don't get hit
robust relic
What is the math on flayer + quicken vs just staying at 6 stacks all the time I ...
its a good question, but also its annoying to monitor my stacks and make sure I dont drop them, kin/quick sorta just makes them a vehicle to keep PW off CD
twilit badger
The thing is most of time i use purgatus there aren't many situations that i need multiple full charge attacks
elfin crystal
you don't charge that often yeah. left click is used a lot more
twilit badger
Mostly after one full charge attack it's partial charge attacks
And partial charge in urgent
When few loose melee chaff comes close
shadow wigeon
its a good question, but also its annoying to monitor my stacks and make sure I ...
on anything damn above I am at 6 almost the whole time
elfin crystal
When few loose melee chaff comes close
i prefer terrifying barrage with kinetic flayer personally. it just nullifies all those
near wyvern
And anything else is not really adding anything
Focused channeling - poor positioning
Terrifying Barrage - overlap with cloud supress and poor positioning
Run N gun - lmao
twilit badger
Purgatus already does AoE suppress
still hearth
Terrifying doesn't do anything on most melee enemies.
I think only Groaners can be suppressed
elfin crystal
terrying barrage instantly lock down waves if you're using kinetic flayer
twilit badger
Didn't really feel like TB does particularly something tbh
elfin crystal
makes it so you have no stragglers ever
still hearth
Poxwalkers and bruisers ignore suppression
robust relic
on anything damn above I am at 6 almost the whole time
I am with Psy Comm, but I run Aura with surge so I don't tend to cap as often
elfin crystal
well that's not what i've seen but ok
olive ember
TB is just aight for a bit extra CC but yeah
It ain’t amazing
People took it before cuz flurry was broke but since it ain’t anymore
hollow current
@near wyvern rummaged through my trauma stockpile and this isn't half bad. shame about sustained fire but it's not like it breaks anything.
shadow wigeon
I am with Psy Comm, but I run Aura with surge so I don't tend to cap as often
Yeah Aura + Flayer is what I used to run. I will try it with Quicken to see how it works now.
twilit badger
My favorite staff is void
still hearth
Void is dope
olive ember
Yeah Aura + Flayer is what I used to run. I will try it with Quicken to see how ...
…. Not…. Bad??? But not… good either
twilit badger
It's surprisngly good at killing shooters
Than i ever thought it would be
With T4 flurry
near wyvern
<@345531303942291457> rummaged through my trauma stockpile and this isn't half ...
Yeah that's pretty neat. I wonder if sustained fire can hit 2 shot break points, my LMB tends to 3 shot on body so if it does 2 shot ranged it's at least something. Rending Shockwave is just really good if you get one with flurry and shockwave.
shadow wigeon
My problem with Quicken is losing you stacks AND giving up the benefits of Kinetic barrage (especially with Aura)
near wyvern
Especially now that they increased the pack sizes so you can have 6 to 8 crushers wishing you welcome
feral verge
oh
didnt know i had this
i might try wildfire build with this
warp flurry for nexus
infested for crit chance
viral solstice
do it
for the setting shit on fire
dont let them shut u down
u will make the fire
and it will be wild
twilit badger
4 soul stacks kinda weak
hollow current
I got a bunch with Warp flurry and rending shockwave but either the perks or the stats are all over the place on most of them
still hearth
Terrifying T2 doesn't even suppress groaners
hollow current
rending shockwave IV is a sweet team boost for sure
twilit badger
Besides 6 stack soulfire release would destroys hordes after all
Wildfire doesn't seem so.. appealing to me?
near wyvern
i might try wildfire build with this
Try and be disappointed. The best build I have found is 311112. Sadly the AB procs are not really enough to keep the charges going but with that build you pretty much have 6 stack ult always ready to go when it's off CD.
near wyvern
warp flurry for nexus
Yeah it's a must to have nexus on it. Haven't found a 4 or sadly I have only nexus 3 on mine, but I have 79 charge speed and 79 radius which are super nice
hasty torrent
Like for example if you were to throw a rubber duck at an armed robber
perhaps the robber would stop what he was doing
near wyvern
Wildfire doesn't seem so.. appealing to me?
Wildfire is either bugged AF or way too weak if only the description is wrong.
viral solstice
perhaps the robber would stop what he was doing
i know i would
because its like
hell yea why do i need to keep doing crimes i have rubber ducky now
still hearth
Wildfire is so sad.
west galleon
Its sketchy
near wyvern
@feral verge The real beauty of Nexus Spirit Trauma is that you can spam at your teams feat and still be effective since the outer radius applies blaze on crit. You can create a safe space in the middle of a horde for vets which in turn can keep ranged at bay.
feral verge
Try and be disappointed. The best build I have found is 311112. Sadly the AB pro...
i had that same exact layout in mind
i appreciate you
twilit badger
You can pretty much BB all shits in 2 shots
feral verge
this should be interesting
robust relic
What do I have to do so Hadron doesnt ruin this roll....
twilit badger
Except mutant
feral verge
What do I have to do so Hadron doesnt ruin this roll....
that's so good
that warp resist is delicious
elfin crystal
i wish surge blessing was more useful
feral verge
i am praying for you
robust relic
i am praying for you
I am trying to find the button where I can give Hadron double mats and she doesnt fuck me
feral verge
this is the first time i've swapped off of purga in weeks lol
here goes
ofc im going straight into high int damn shock with it
robust relic
ofc im going straight into high int damn shock with it
seems like a good idea
steep shuttle
would you rather have uncanny strike 2 or precog 3 on a Deimos?
steep shuttle
that makes my item score a bit deceptive
it was higher with precog 3 just because of the perk rank
that makes my choice a lot easier tho, ty
how about slaughterer 2 vs uncanny strike 2
west galleon
Man all the new 70+ base curios that i find with hp or toughness get bricked, the ones with stamina get ability regen and useful shit...
I dont want stamina i am using my mind god damnit
steep shuttle
But you can just block with peril
twilit badger
If you take that
Feat
That is
You don't need to pick that feat with stamina curio
west galleon
So going 1.1.1 is legit for curios?
I always feel like i am wasting a slot with the extra stam
still hearth
The feat's effectiveness is increased by more stamina
west galleon
If only i had the mental stamina to play more than 2 runs and not quit, i'd maybe notice a difference
twilit badger
And going to pick other useful feat
west galleon
Thanks for giving your opinions, i will keep those in mind and probably keep the stam curio
Until i maybe roll something with better perks
olive ember
Psyker is rly flexible
You can basically run any combo as long as you don’t take more than one stam or one wound
Like I run hp/hp/wound, people have run 3 hp, some have 2hp/stam, others all toughness etc etc.
unreal dust
I tend to favor Tough/Tough/Stam or Triple Tough.
And have been experimenting with Toughness Regen trinkets... ... ... though I'm starting to wonder if Combat Ability Regen is the one true path given that I tend to go Purg builds
unreal dust
combat regen is pretty ass
Its not much, but 3 seconds is a long time in a fight. On that note, has anybody actully seen 4-pip Combat Regen? I only ever see 3...
twilit badger
Tho you really need sniper dmg reduction on your curio
At least on 2 of em
Else you are going to get one shot pretty much
If you are running 2-3 HP curios then i don't think you really need sniper dmg reduction
olive ember
Eh it’s still better cuz their ain’t much else
steep shuttle
Playing so much zealot made me more comfortable playing on 2 wounds
twilit badger
Gunner dmg resistance
Ordo docket reward(Who dafuq playing the game without this on your curio )
feral verge
results from the wildfire blazing trauma build @near wyvern
in high int damn shock
(we lost)
twilit badger
Maybe toughness regen there
Instead of sniper dmg res
Since psyker has that toughness regen over time on 5 lvl feat
Question is, would toughness regen also affects toughness regen from feats
olive ember
in high int damn shock
Should’ve taken surge staff
twilit badger
Probably not?
ornate hamlet
For the Serial Killer penance (20 consecutive headshot kills) can I brain burst for that?
fierce sinew
For the Serial Killer penance (20 consecutive headshot kills) can I brain burst ...
yes
lethal folio
Everyone likes toughness recovery.
olive ember
Everyone likes it but you gotta specifically build for it
Dunno if I value it over something like sniper res tho
More importantly there’s like only a couple noteworthy ones like sniper res, gunner res, toughness regen, ability regen, I guess extra +hp/health
And of the bunch sniper res is def one of the noticeable ones
twilit badger
Extra HP and Toughness
So not worth it
Over dmg res
Tbh
I do agree that you can't go wrong with sniper dmg res ever
Especially now that we have shits like hi shock
unreal dust
Especially now that we have shits like hi shock <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163...
Prior to Hi-Shock, I wouldn't have given Sniper resist a second though
Now I eye it greedily
twilit badger
Hehe
shut matrix
but s'aite
If no ones helped you by the time I get on I'll try to help ya. Though the vox lfg chat might serve you better than here
feral verge
Prior to Hi-Shock, I wouldn't have given Sniper resist a second though
?
whats the matter
cant dodge 5 snipers at once?
skill issue. try: getting good
delicate stratus
You haven't felt fear until you hear rapid clicking from all sides
Or the damned ringing of four bombers competing in a shotput competition with grenades
unreal dust
I buttpucker when I hear the click and the scream of a mutant
feral verge
mutie is my nemesis
i;ve had alot of 'easy' clutch moments ruined by them
and dodging is pretty finnicky
and the turn radius is very, very deceptive
unreal dust
I put Damage to Maniacs on my Deimos. That helped a lot. I can one-shot them on charge now
olive ember
cant dodge 5 snipers at once?
Actually a skill issue smh
feral verge
my two main swords
olive ember
I dodge snipers based off sound queue alone
feral verge
yeah he should be ashamed
unreal dust
I dodge snipers based off sound queue alone
Dodging doesn't help when theres 5 of them
feral verge
?
willpower issue
try willing them not to hit you
smh my head
they let anyone be a psyker these days
halcyon creek
smim my incomparable mind
olive ember
There was a clip actually of a guy spawning in line 20 snipers in a semi circle around him
He was able to dodge em for a good 10 seconds idk where clip went tho
unreal dust
Again. Outside of Hi-Shock? Easy shit. In High shock where there's a horde and you can't get a bead on them and there's 5+? Nah fam
Fuck that
olive ember
Simply skill issue smh
near wyvern
results from the wildfire blazing trauma build <@345531303942291457>
You'd be amazed how little of that is by wildlife
olive ember
What do you mean you can’t locate em based off sound queue alone within the second between the sound and the shot
near wyvern
@feral verge go into creature spawner and spawn 100 poxwalkers. First with wildfire and then without wildfire. Time it. There is no real difference.
unreal dust
<@253355223400185867> go into creature spawner and spawn 100 poxwalkers. First w...
That doesn't surprise me at all tbh
summer prairie
you can do the same test with something like WU or warp charges and you wouldn't notice a difference
unreal dust
Wildfire is at its -most- useful during Blackout maps. Where it turns enemies into candles
viral solstice
yes but if he wouldnt notice the difference
then he can take wildfire
simple
see it works both ways
he can have his pretty lites
feral verge
You'd be amazed how little of that is by wildlife
yeah the entire time i thinking of how much damage i'd be doing with a BIS trauma staff
viral solstice
olive ember
What is with the skins honestly
Didnt you reskin your purge staffs to look like surge staffs lmao
feral verge
1: i like the look of some staves, over others. 2: i like fucking with people lol
players never question it, but i like to think they go wtf in their minds
when they see me in the lobby with a surge staff skin, but im spitting fire instead
timber shale
they kinda match their names though, so its not that hard to remember
trauma is the medical one, purgatus looks like a bbq fork, etc
oh wait, no, voidstrike is the one that looks like a medical symbol...my life is a lie, ignore me
leaden thunder
surge is the pop tart staff
amber vine
The fun bit of wildfire is spreading fire without doing anything and getting free slaughterer stacks
late yew
How "common blessings between characters" works?
west galleon
Sniper dmg res gunner res or even bomber?
The 3rd one i think is a no, but asking doesnt hurt right?
feral verge
bomber is broken i think
west galleon
Btw this is pretty late to ask at this point...but for a "chained" attack, do you need to channel the attack to a certain point to chain or is it just timing?
feral verge
i think it only applies to his melee
sniper resist is the best
gunner is next best, as far as dmg resist goes
the rest are very meh
feral verge
Btw this is pretty late to ask at this point...but for a "chained" attack, do yo...
chain attacks are just reapeated attacks
they can be charged, they can be heavies, they can be lights
west galleon
I have one curio that has locked bomber res but decent tough regen
west galleon
they can be charged, they can be heavies, they can be lights
Ok i made this way more difficult in my head
Than it actually is apparently
feral verge
yeah its just lmb spam
west galleon
Ty
feral verge
yw
feral verge
Nope
late yew
or should i wait for 30
feral verge
Both perks and both blessings are bad/subpar
spice veldt
terrifying barrage is not too remarkable of a blessing, and that voidstrike staff is overall mediocre
so yeah I'd hold off
raw heath
what would the dump stat be in a staff like that?
river sand
on void ?
spice veldt
blast radius; or warp res if you're running transfer peril and want to proc Quietude
river sand
charge rate as well
the whole scale of charge rate on void is 0.3 sec span so its no that important
on trauma its 1.5 sec from min to max thats noticable
guess you want a 80 dmg 75 all other stats one
spice veldt
i'd want 80 in everything except blast radius or warp res personally
quell speed since it scales nonlinearly
blast radius is meh in particular because the epicentre has a cleave limit anyways
river sand
im not that happy with void atm anyway. since patch there are so many crushers/bulwarks lurking around, trauma seems the way to go
spice veldt
that's true
feral verge
Skill and willpower issue
spice veldt
I hate it because of the slower charge and the fact that it's a slow fire rate projectile weapon
feral verge
You can will your voidstrike to 1 shot crushers
I can do it with mine
Stay in malice buddy
river sand
....
leaden thunder
smh my head
leaden thunder
tbh tho void can kill carapace I think just slower then with trauma
feral verge
The sun is a wondrous body, like a magnificent father
spice veldt
maybe comparable because of the higher base damage and weakspot hit
with the caveat that you're only hitting one crusher per ball
river sand
tbh tho void can kill carapace I think just slower then with trauma
it can, but it hits only one enemy then. trauma hits all 5 crushers and kills the 20 poxer around
near wyvern
it can, but it hits only one enemy then. trauma hits all 5 crushers and kills th...
This. The true value of trauma is that you can reliably CC all elites/specials but mutants + stagger and clear everything around them so that they can be killed in the middle of a horde.
river sand
yeah its just the ultimate jack of all trades
near wyvern
Surge is super strong but only when it finds the correct targets. When you have a mixed horde Surge becomes just a wet noodle.
river sand
surge instantly gets the worst staff when you rise up from malice
thats no question
low hit count. no damage on unarmoured/infested, high peril cost, super high charge time, extremly difficult to aim when there is more than 5 enemies
near wyvern
You'd be surprised how much damage you deal with surge especially at Damnation low and Damnation low gauntlet
The biggest limiting factor is that it does not have any priority for the targets + the target cap
river sand
the damage is not super bad, but inconsistent and you just soften up targets and get no kills
near wyvern
Which makes it unreliable when dealing with a mixed horde
near wyvern
the damage is not super bad, but inconsistent and you just soften up targets and...
Half of the enemies have flak armour, which surge absolutely annihilates
It's just the horde it cannot really deal with but that's why Illisi is so good
river sand
i dont say its not unplayable, definitly better then a purg in the hands of a noob
but trauma beats it in every way
near wyvern
Not every way but the key thing is reliability
With trauma you know you can create a safe space just where you want it
feral verge
yeah, trauma might be my 2nd fav staff rn
1st being purga
the thing i love about purga tho isnt purga... it's ascendant blaze
near wyvern
I main the nexus spirit trauma, I find it the most interesting
It's not optimal DPS but I use it as a team support stick while dealing some damage as well
feral verge
no wildfire?
still hearth
Support Psykers
river sand
most damage comes from flurry 6 stacks inner tranq
late yew
Just played game with 3 veterans
i was so useless
they would just throw like 5 grenades into each horde
near wyvern
No, I tried 20 games with it but it just doesn't achieve much, mainly due to the 4 stack max cap and 2 stack treshold for spread. If they buff it I will give it another try. 311112 is the way to go at the moment.
feral verge
most damage comes from flurry 6 stacks inner tranq
yeah that's what my trauma build looked like, before i stuck with purga for weeks
summer prairie
you can trigger blazing spirit with trauma, then ult with whatever stacks and switch to your slaughterer melee and wildfire works fine
feral verge
this WAS my trauma build, before the update
river sand
purg can be good, but i personally dont like the limited range and the blocked sight. And tbh when i play with a purg in team they end up with super low dmg cause all the mobs are already killed by the time soublaze is stacked high enough to do damage
near wyvern
I tried to use wildfire with PA so that I fished for max charge proc, then ulted but I rarely got to 3-4 stacks with it. Usually 1 or zero stacks. Even KF was able to make a noticeable difference. But that 311112 with the 6 stack ult always ready to go is just sweeeeet.
near wyvern
you can trigger blazing spirit with trauma, then ult with whatever stacks and sw...
2 damage per tick times 1.75 is 3.5 damage per tick... Meh...
summer prairie
trauma applies 3 and then your ult applies 1-4
near wyvern
Where as if you just continue using staff you can control and kill stuff more efficiently
feral verge
I tried to use wildfire with PA so that I fished for max charge proc, then ulted...
i might give that build a try
thats literally my purga setup too
same feats
near wyvern
trauma applies 3 and then your ult applies 1-4
And wildfire quickly decays to 1-2 stacks and only around the EDGE of the fiery mobs
summer prairie
it doesn't if there's density, 4 stacks with slaughterer+unstable power is enough to kill poxwalkers
river sand
i've tested blazing trauma. its funny but not efficient
feral verge
And wildfire quickly decays to 1-2 stacks and only around the EDGE of the fiery ...
have you gotten a good fire illisi yet
near wyvern
https://streamable.com/caogim
Just being able to do something doesn't mean it's meaningful and effective.
"Why don't you bring the BiS Trauma then?"
It's because I often fire my trauma deliberately at my team's feet. It tanks the DPS yes but it also means nothing is touching our vet which can just fire freely at enemy ranged. The Ogryns/Zealots can also just melee the mobs near the outer rim which causes them to stick more close to the team instead of starting to run around like headless chicken in their search for decap gore dopamine.
near wyvern
have you gotten a good fire illisi yet
- Just waiting for that Bloodlust to drop so I could slap it on one of them...
feral verge
2. Just waiting for that Bloodlust to drop so I could slap it on one of them...
what about using shred?
summer prairie
warp battery is also not very meaningful or effective and people keep picking that
it's only particularly useful with AB ults
near wyvern
Because you could be controlling the area with your trauma. People often forget that in this game it's not just about top DPS, it's about not getting hit. Trauma is safer and keeps the team safer + I can use Deimos to one shot incoming mutants.
summer prairie
but ab ult also works fine with 4 stacks if you have slaughterer
spice veldt
wildfire seems like it could be pretty neat if enemies are continuously pouring in
summer prairie
I don't think controlling with trauma is particularly meaningful except against specific elite groups
near wyvern
what about using shred?
Shred is just not good enough crit chance. You get some enemies blazed here and there but it's nothing compared to just Slaugherer 3.
near wyvern
I don't think controlling with trauma is particularly meaningful except against ...
I can stand in a middle of melee horde, surrounded by 360 degrees and not get hit with Trauma without ever stopping.
spice veldt
balancing safety and DPS; I personally like to err to the side of DPS
near wyvern
that doesn't do anything
Oh really? 😂 I have clutched so many objectives and escorts with it.
spice veldt
i mean if you're talking about events where enemies are going to keep on spawning, then of course CC is better than killing them
near wyvern
you can do that with anything
Ok, I'll throw you a challenge clip tomorrow and I want you to repeat it with a different weapon.
willow hazel
warp battery is also not very meaningful or effective and people keep picking th...
It lets BB one shot Flamers and Ragers, which is something.
pearl lion
12% more damage is not very meaningful?
summer prairie
not even sure why this discussion got to this point from a discussion about wildfire
spice veldt
8%
pearl lion
oh yeah that
feral verge
would anyone play high int damn shock troop with me if i brought my shieldgryn OFS and just blocked the whole time
near wyvern
not even sure why this discussion got to this point from a discussion about wild...
The discussion when in a nutshell like this
S: Wildfire is nice
P: doesn't really add anything
S: you can kill poxwalkers with 4 stack AB + wildfire + unstable
P: that requires you to have the sword out and melee trash, where as the staff provided more damage and control against the horde
S: that's not meaningful
P: internal screaming
summer prairie
controlling hordes is not meaningful yes
pearl lion
P is psyker
S is syker
feral verge
syllogism
summer prairie
since hordes are never an issue, at most they slightly inconvenience your vet
olive ember
P is psyker
S is syker
I c I c
near wyvern
On those endless horde objective parts it is very meaningful
summer prairie
I wouldn't say wildfire is nice, I'm mostly saying you can sort of make it work and that warp battery also isn't great in most cases
it's only good for AB
near wyvern
I only use battery for that 6 stack ult
summer prairie
and if you run trauma blazing spirit, you don't necessarily need 6 stacks ult since you get 3 from your staff
so you can have some fun with wildfire without losing much
but sure if you don't use your melee then it's a different build
pearl lion
I think people saying battery isn't good is only looking at it in a vacuum