Y'all feeling like glass?
#psyker-class
still hearth
velvet crescent
i popped by ogryn chat and now here
how do i help a sibling when i am vet
rare furnace
I feel like canon
still hearth
I just tank stuff while blowing things up
fierce sinew
you have to be trolling pretty hard to die through new quietude
spice veldt
unless you are actively sniping targets with a blue glow around their heads, I don't think there's anything much that you have to go out of your way to do
velvet crescent
roger
lethal lagoon
I'm not saying I'm dying, but that doesn't change how hard you get hit for lmao.
still hearth
Play aggro Veteran and tank all the ranged fire
velvet crescent
when i see a blue glow on someone i let the psykers cook
still hearth
That's the best way to help the team
velvet crescent
sir yes sir
still hearth
lethal lagoon
Vet with crossfire can carry a t5 completely.
still hearth
I tried to play Heresy
Never again
People are so bad
Its easier to play Damnation
cold geode
lol
gilded viper
I find out this weekend that u can still get a warp stack if u charge bb halfway and the target dies to someone else
still hearth
Like a dude was just
olive ember
Psykers love bio optic targeting
olive ember
Fuck demo team
still hearth
Literally only attacked once every 4s
Bio Optic is ass
Just kill everything
Why would you need to mark things if they're going to die
lethal lagoon
People farm on Malice and Damnation. Heresy is for people who think they aren't good enough for damnation.
It's a scary difficulty to pub on.
still hearth
Yeah it was an experience.
High Intensity Shock on Heresy
It felt like I was playing with 3 bots
Absolutely no urgency
lethal lagoon
Probably would have been better with 3 bots lmao
olive ember
I only play malice pls rate my build
still hearth
Half the time they wandered off somewhere
velvet crescent
i got the reverse
Heresy pubs for me actually okay
damnation pubs were uh
hmmm
to put it nicely
one pub had no idea what they were doing
velvet crescent
me internally: "get the fuck back here shouty we cant help if you go down"
olive ember
Pls rate thx
lethal lagoon
" I am fairly confident now in hi-intensity Malice (Can clear it probably more than 50% of the time). "
D:
still hearth
O u f
olive ember
It’s pre patch I gotta change the damn build
lethal lagoon
I should have read what you said before clicking the link
olive ember
Lmao
kind jay
i got a good feeling about milk today. hes gonna have the bestest recon las for me ever
still hearth
The rest of us people will soon find out that Recon will be buffed to OP status
And we'll still probably not use it
leaden thunder
i'll use it on my vet
still hearth
Though Recon is fun for making flashing lights on lights out
lethal lagoon
Recon is relaxing to use.
still hearth
Recon with Blaze Away and Pinning Fire
olive ember
I should have read what you said before clicking the link
The people on Reddit no fun, they were calling out my troll post before I could farm the juicy Reddit “advice”
still hearth
Now we're talking
olive ember
Also fuck demo team
Who actually uses grenade that often
Useless perk take bio optics instead
Information is king
fierce sinew
heresy is 30% people semi afk just trying to level, 30% completionist neurotics farming penances that shouldn't be in the game, 30% baboons with their monitors off + broken fingers, and 10% actual people
still hearth
That I need to keep my ult up
And I hate it when another Vet runs bio optics because it makes me think my ult is still active
When it isn't
olive ember
I mean it’s kinda obvious
Cuz when it’s your ult your entire screen gets like this shader effect
And when it’s another vets you don’t have said shader
Makes aiming a lot easier and the info is just rly good to see bombers and snipers quickly as well as flamers n mutant exact locations
ornate hamlet
Should I try and farm a better trauma staff or is this about as good as it gets?
spice veldt
it's nice for coming up with an order of priority for dealing with the specials
gilded viper
Recon with Blaze Away and Pinning Fire
I'll nut if it got that ngl
olive ember
Over demo expert which is rng proc based on elites only, and personally I don’t think zealots and ogryns use their grenades enough to warrant bringing em
spice veldt
and some areas have really fucked soundscapes so I can't rely on hearing to tell where they are
lethal lagoon
So pre-patch best Trauma was 25% unarmored and then 20-25% flak. With warp unleashed and Warp Charge changes, I'm really not sure anymore.
restive slate
Environment with steam making you think there's a scripture nearby
olive ember
Lmao fucking that repair mission screws with me
ornate hamlet
so I should go flak instead of carapace eh?
olive ember
The lift is just all steam and the game is just jank enough that I used to think their might be a spawn on that lift
calm sapphire
What's everyone's most hated map to play on?
olive ember
Assassination
lethal lagoon
Unarmored would be my pick, as base trauma seems to hit flak breakpoints now with warp unleashed and 6 stacks of warp.
olive ember
The hard one
gilded viper
Sand cause the lighting is broken for me
ornate hamlet
The sewer one is getting a little old cause I've played it so much
olive ember
Also not a particular fan of hab dreyko or the one with like 3 levels
lethal lagoon
I don't like that desert one where you have to carry the 3 battiers at the end. The level is so long and pubs have such a hard time with that ending.
gilded viper
Also not a particular fan of hab dreyko or the one with like 3 levels
The 3 level one was cool at first then I p lay it on t5 and I cry where the event is just shooter shooting us for the first 5 min of it
calm sapphire
Also not a particular fan of hab dreyko or the one with like 3 levels
hab drekyo is really good for close quarter weapons and is honestly a favorite when running purgatus
spice veldt
I don't like that desert one where you have to carry the 3 battiers at the end. ...
excise vault
I personally like excise vault cuz it has a lot of close-quarter encounters
lethal lagoon
Silo intro is hell, but on the plus side if you breeze through the intro you'll definitely win, where as if you struggle you might as well leave lmao.
gilded viper
Don't like the train m8ssion for the assassin, alot of people fail st the boss room
olive ember
My favorite is prob still consignment yard
lethal lagoon
I love all the boss missions personally. But yeah, pubs do not understand how to kill ads on a boss lmao. Or dodge a telegraphed overhead swing.
olive ember
Something about being “outside” and seeing the hordes come from a distance
rare furnace
The beloved psyker sounds kinda rizzy
olive ember
And not spawn out of a like clowns out a car from random hole #342
rare furnace
I wish I had him
gilded viper
What that latest mission we got, that one my favorite one
lethal lagoon
The train defense I think is really well done map design.
lethal folio
Ignoring relay station because no plasteel, I hate enclavum baross and hab dreyko because they have no challenge.
calm sapphire
My favorite is prob still consignment yard
Enclavum Embaross is my favorite tbh since u can camp spawn on the bridge spot obj while the last obj at the end allows u to corner camp or do whatever
spice veldt
consignment yard's finale is a bit too open for my tastes
rare furnace
Enclavum Embaross is my favorite tbh since u can camp spawn on the bridge spot o...
Just finished it
olive ember
consignment yard's finale is a bit too open for my tastes
Yeah arcotash likes the feelings of claustrophobia
lethal folio
Baross bridge has two door spawns for the entire event.
rare furnace
RECOON las after a while on that map is very fun with the hordes
lethal lagoon
@spice veldt You can hide in the train car closest to the entrance, it makes it really easy even on hi int.
spice veldt
Yeah arcotash likes the feelings of claustrophobia
:D
yeah; I just don't like feeling pidgeonholed into being in certain areas
not that you can't do the map in the open areas
but I really fucking hate getting hit by snipers
calm sapphire
yeah; I just don't like feeling pidgeonholed into being in certain areas
Bombers : )
lethal folio
Consignment yard is most fun fighting on the traintop.
rare furnace
Did they add options to lower the popping on psyker peril screen? Where are they
spice veldt
yes
calm sapphire
Is that in base game
yes
gilded viper
restive slate
Consignment yard is most fun fighting on the traintop.
Even Shock Gauntlet with mass snipers?
spice veldt
it affects both the VFX and SFX
restive slate
And everyone is Ogryn haha
gilded viper
Can finally listen to music without getting blow out by psyker gameplay
restive slate
Oh I turned Psyker fx to 0, there's still a lil bit of tentacles at 100% which is fine for me
spice veldt
i kept blowing myself up with the fx turned to 0
calm sapphire
i kept blowing myself up with the fx turned to 0
I appreciate that u have a failsafe button as a psyker to prevent yourself from blowing up. Its called F
spice veldt
i saved myself the first time with the ult
and then I blow myself up while my ult is on CD
very sad story
gilded viper
I use my ult super aggressive so I rarely have it to save me
lethal lagoon
I feel like if you have F available to save yourself you are playing kind of lazily.
spice veldt
I'm just too used to relying on the sound cue to figure out when I should start paying attention to my peril%
shut ether
My ult is secondary knockback primary Peril reduction and Barrage setup
I'm not afraid to scream at the air
lethal lagoon
Saving the dummy who's away from the group and still can't stop dogs after 100s of hours of gameplay is a common use for me.
shut ether
Dogs are so host dependent
gilded viper
Kinda wish they rework them or something, idk how trapper and mutant can work but not dogs
lethal lagoon
There's no host! They are definitely 100% dedicated servers, don't slander them! Believe me.
Oh my whole team lagged when I dced? It's just a coincidence.
hollow current
ohh second psyker already coming in handy with blessing hunting.
shut ether
Gotta check my shop. Melk don't milk me
pearl lion
||get melked||
shut ether
WOW GREAT LOOK AT ALL THESE GUNS
gilded viper
shut ether
FK YOU MELK
lethal lagoon
My second psyker hasn't paid off yet. But it's fun being a gun psyker.
pearl lion
WOW GREAT LOOK AT ALL THESE GUNS
the true melkcperience
gilded viper
Petition to give psyker Shotgun 
hollow current
petition to send you back onto the black ships for wanting to use guns on pysker
gilded viper
pearl lion
Nah using guns on psyker is fine
hollow current
But yeah I don't see why not 🤷♂️
pearl lion
You mean shooting them right?
lethal lagoon
With Illy and the BB buffs, my staff doesn't feel as impactful anymore. I spend so much time in melee or BB.
A lot easier to top the scoreboard too, can't remember the last time I wasn't.
shut ether
WYM sibling you can pretty much 24/7 staff with peril quell buffs
lethal lagoon
Melee psyker go brr
shut ether
This i why we need subclasses fatshark
gilded viper
Wish we grt a new stave already bur I'm happen with rhe fs buff/new ones
pearl lion
I suspect our first subclass will actually be a new subclass for each class + new area
Hopefully they don't charge for it
But yeah, I'm guessing they'll roll it all together
gilded viper
Are fatshark known for roadmaps?
ruby plover
staves 
pearl lion
Once they have finished tidying up things
ruby plover
100 peril illi autopistol 
pearl lion
They have been doing the comm links or w/e which are kind of mini roadmaps
gilded viper
Can't wait for them to go back on the content grindset, feel like the game is in a better place since thier open letter
I see
lethal lagoon
^ I feel the same way, but at the same time I main psyker so of course I'm happy.
tired notch
lethal lagoon
I save melk's currency for t4 blessings, so no for me. But I also have a really good purg already.
gilded viper
I used to main zealot but really is the l they gotten don't hurt me too much
Never did like th
pearl lion
Oh yeah I had a big circuitous conversation in general the other day about how content will follow fixing the base game, which they have almost done
gilded viper
Can't really think what else that need fixing outside of rng, and rng is here to stay and I accept that
pearl lion
Even reviews and such are starting to complain about the lack of content updates, so I suspect we'll start seeing new stuff more frequently/as a higher priority
I still think they need a quasai-pity system
Complete a mission and get a melk-coin per difficulty level, spend 20 coins to get an orange of a particular weapon from melk etc
lethal lagoon
Pity system kind of weird for a non-real money system in my opinion.
gilded viper
We already get orange per mission but yeah milk coin supply is low af 
pearl lion
I just think they need something to address the fact that adding new weapons dilutes the pool so it makes it harder to get the things you want
lethal lagoon
Brunt's armory and more mats already addresses that no?
gilded viper
Ngl all my "good" weapons have been from the bulk shop and not from the god emp or milk
pearl lion
I have so many blue VSs with the same group of 3 or so t2 blessings
You can get t3+ blessings when consecrating to blue right?
gilded viper
Yes
kind jay
gilded viper
And t4 but that actually is super rare
kind jay
lethal lagoon
It's so wild when you cleave and everything but the target you hit dies.
It messes with my brain
I had a low first target sword when I was leveling my 2nd psyker
pearl lion
Just think about how nicely highlighted your BB targets will be
lethal lagoon
Just think about how all you have to do is start BBing someone and all 3 people on your team will drop everything to kill them.
Unlimited power.
pearl lion
hollow current
fuck I'd eat a beast of nurgle's ass for a taste of warp flurry IV on trauma
lethal lagoon
Surge isn't real, don't believe the fake screenshots. 😭
gilded viper
Lol
pearl lion
Oh, so its like power cycler then
ember hornet
Seems good
gilded viper
Run n gun 
shy prairie
lethal lagoon
You want t4 warp nexus on Surge. Crit is huge. So that staff is kind of stuck.
Honestly the stats are good enough that it might not matter, just depends on what your current one is.
near gale
You want t4 warp nexus on Surge. Crit is huge. So that staff is kind of stuck.
What if they wanted mid-crit to let their teammates down...?
hollow current
500k and this is the best stat distribution I got 💀
shadow onyx
its very good stats
lethal lagoon
I wonder what that feels like with the quell buffs.
gilded viper
Till fast af I'm guessing
hollow current
rest in peace
lethal lagoon
o7
near gale
rest in peace
I've... seen... worse...?
hollow current
The perks are poo poo but the blessings could be salvaged.
lethal lagoon
??
hollow current
It went straight into the trash anyways.
lethal lagoon
It's actually good that the perks AND blessings are complete trash. Imagine if either of them were BIS.
I'd cry.
kind jay
new line? maybe?
rare rock
for the new single target force sword, maniac + carapace is great right?
lethal lagoon
Nah
hollow current
Maniac is solid, I don't think you should do carapace tho
lethal lagoon
To be clear I was replying to griever.
gilded viper
Is carapace ever worth on any weapons?
pearl lion
Love the Loner psyker. Old mate pulls no punches and if he wasn't in an inquisitorial retinue, would DEFINITELY be dead by now
lethal lagoon
Grenade Ganulet
spice veldt
carapace might be worth it on the obscurus
rare rock
oh i cant change carapace already did for the maniac, it was unarmored i think and a low roll
hollow current
as shitty was it was unarmored probably would be more applicable to stuff you whack. I just always BB carapace or trauma it.
feral verge
i run maniac and carapace on deimos sword
feral verge
i wouldnt put uncanny on it
the thing already does 100% dmg to armor types, except carapace
rare rock
oh i dont have anything better
lethal folio
Drat, melk has surge but it is on Trauma.
feral verge
i have a few deimos', but, ig this is my main deimos
if i could, i'd trade elite dmg for carapace
rare rock
i'll see if i can get unstable power
feral verge
i really like low warp resist
if i could, i'd have it as low as possible
here's one i have with very low warp resist
low warp resist pairs very well with quietitude + unstable power + warp unleashed
rare rock
hmm i think i have a good one that had low resist but still white
i'll see how it goes, ty
feral verge
nw sibling
dusky bear
"finally melk has a class item to sell for psyker!"
the item:
dusky bear
more like dogshit rng progression issue
lethal lagoon
It's definitely a skill issue. They collect a secret skill score and base your melks on that.
lethal folio
Good for a fireaxe.
dusky bear
i hope next update includes a diamantine to plassteel conversion. my entire gameplay loop now is just running what ever mission i can just to roll weapons in hopes that eventually get the 1 blessing i still need
pearl lion
Yeah it'd be nice if there was an option to hand your items over to Hadron if you already have all the perks and she gives you some mats back
dapper grotto
anyone know the range of the psyker ability
pearl lion
I think its like 20m?
cyan notch
30
dusky bear
i have yet to meet an enemy at a range that i couldnt brainburst
only gets stopped by railings and fences
pearl lion
#2 cause of BB not working, railing and fences, #1 cause, veterans
umbral jetty
which gun besides the shredder would you recommend for gun psyker?
fringe tangle
Anyone else think deflector should become a built-in thing for all the Forceswords?
New FS have a bug that gives them deflector, I think it should stay like that, as well as adding it to the OG FS.
umbral jetty
I spent 400k dockets today and got sad
dusky bear
the super rapidfire lasgun is good for triggering kinetic consistently
umbral jetty
On the topic of deflector, I think its a little bugged
like, not that it is built into the two new ones... but that it interacts weird if your shields are already broken
umbral jetty
more like dogshit rng progression issue
allegedly its to boost player retention!
pearl lion
Every time I see people complain about RNG, one part of me agrees and the other wonders if they played VT
cyan notch
like, not that it is built into the two new ones... but that it interacts weird ...
gotta be more specific
blazing trout
About 500 hours in VT2. The itemization progression was way better imo.
blazing trout
If you didn’t need to craft all the dlc reds
They should have been in the drop table
pearl lion
Its kind of a weird situation where getting the best weapons is worse, but getting a very good weapon is way better
Cause rerolling an orange until you get the right perks, but maybe not good rolls was easy
But getting a red was just a pure slog
cyan notch
no not really
pearl lion
Whereas getting a very good weapon is a slog in DT and there's no equivalent to red
blazing trout
Yeah, getting to the point where you can do cozy book runs solo was a bit of a chore
Because you needed to level and gear your bots
cyan notch
thats nothing to do with progression
pearl lion
Basically, getting to like 90% strength in VT was easy peasy
dusky bear
Every time I see people complain about RNG, one part of me agrees and the other ...
i played warframe since beta update 6. i know rng grind. But this is non fun grind. you have to spend about an hour for a single roll. and the one shop that does sell good stuff takes weeks to sell a single class items thats shit
pearl lion
Getting to 100% was super RNG based if you wanted particular weapons
blazing trout
I’d say it is. That’s some of the peak turn-brain-off solo gameplay I’ve had in life is solo cata runs
pearl lion
I'm not saying DTs loot system is good btw
blazing trout
You hardly ever needed 100% anyway.
pearl lion
Yeah, red dust
half turtle
what are good blessings and perks for trauma staff?
cyan notch
u dont even have to wait for your weapon to drop
blazing trout
Most of the breakpoints were less than 7-8% in a power vs target
sour olive
fuck the lock system
blazing trout
And your items shared across characters
pearl lion
I dont have a problem with the lock system
cyan notch
you dont have to do any solo this cata that book anything
fringe tangle
fuck the lock system
Yeah, delete it. Doesn't respect players time.
pearl lion
I think it's crafting in general that needs a bit more balancing to make it good though
I think they should give us more crafting resources to take the sting out of the lock system
blazing trout
I mean. 40 minutes gets you 3 emperors chests
And you’re not gate kept by anything but experience for chaos wastes
cold geode
or let us upgrade locked blessings with diamantine
pearl lion
ehhh
blazing trout
You also have weaves (lol)
cyan notch
Yeah, getting to the point where you can do cozy book runs solo was a bit of a c...
im just talking about this
this chore of is not needed at all thats just a you thing
you can just play quickplay
blazing trout
Yeah, but to use a weapon in dark tide I need to get lucky. Then get lucky. Then get lucky again
pearl lion
Basically the only time I didnt do QP in VT is when I was doing the legendary all missions skins
blazing trout
I can’t just be fine with a sub par variant with level 2 blessings of what I want
Because I don’t have even the shitty versions
I could make a new weapon in VT, roll the stats I wanted, maybe not have them maxed, but who cares
pearl lion
I dont have a single meta perked weapon and I still have fun and am pretty effective
gilded linden
blazing trout
Yeah, but that’s because the current difficulty is basically Legend
blazing trout
Most people have an issue with breakpoints being locked off by RNG
Because it limits variety
blazing trout
You’re not arguing in good faith here
pearl lion
Reds are pure RNG
blazing trout
The system in darktide is disrespectful
pearl lion
You either roll the one you want, or you break down multiple ones you dont want to get the one you want
shy prairie
lethal lagoon
@fringe tangle I'm personally hoping the deflector "bug" on the new FS was them just releasing a change they made on accident.
blazing trout
What are you trying to say then?
cyan notch
<@659889935238823937> I'm personally hoping the deflector "bug" on the new FS wa...
the number of people coping with this is shockingly high
lethal lagoon
It just feels so nice
pearl lion
I guess that people acting like VT had a vastly superior system that used way less RNG is not a good take imo
cyan notch
ur just setting yourself up for disappointment when they eventually fix it
lethal lagoon
Plus the block is a big psychic shield in the first place
pearl lion
I'd say its better, but not by much
lethal lagoon
I mean I'm still geniunely shocked they fixed the psyker class, so yeah Im getting hopeful we get to keep deflector on all FSs
pearl lion
The reason it feels like theres a bigger gap is that most people who played VT2 have a tonne of resources they can throw into the pity system
fierce sinew
ur just setting yourself up for disappointment when they eventually fix it
what if they do a combat axe and people get used to the unintended behavior, complain when it gets changed, and they cave and revert it like the cowards they are
blazing trout
I mean, golds are fine, again..
pearl lion
I do agree that break points probably need some tweaking though
lethal lagoon
People have been complaining about flamer since release and they've only buffed it since then, so I don't think they give in to public pressure lmao.
blazing trout
There are only a couple extremely greedy builds that need every single % to hit their breakpoints
cyan notch
what if they do a combat axe and people get used to the unintended behavior, com...
sure maybe but then what about people with deflector blessing they have to change that to something else too and thats more work than just reverting to an old version
blazing trout
Most can be done with 5-6% in a roll.
pearl lion
There are only a couple extremely greedy builds that need every single % to hit...
I do wonder if they'll maybe release red equivalents for DT
lethal lagoon
deflector can just be changed to a large % block efficeny
Super simple
still useful
fierce sinew
they just memory hole the blessing clearly
fierce sinew
or leave it there as a disrespectful "fuck you" for the entirety of the remaining life of the game
cyan notch
if u drastically change a blessing that some people have locked
fierce sinew
punishment for our hubris
cyan notch
ur not gonna have a good response from players
blazing trout
like 1.2% atk speed and 7% block efficiency will not have an impact in enjoying a new weapon in VT
fierce sinew
if fatshark cured cancer the forum mongoloids would be apoplectic about all the out of work oncologists
the players will be mad regardless
blazing trout
You make a new weapon, spend maybe 20 blue/green dust to get the stats you want, then you spend like 10 gold dust to get atk speed on crit, and move on
lethal lagoon
I'm not too sure what the argument is here, but the game is no where near hard enough to where you have to min-max. It's mostly just because we are all weirdos who enjoy that shit.
primal radish
Is it true all force swords have deflector built in now? Or is it only certain ones
pearl lion
if fatshark cured cancer the forum mongoloids would be apoplectic about all the ...
I dont like how you said it, but I agree with the sentiment
blazing trout
It’s not about min maxing. I can not experiment due to rng.
leaden thunder
ur not gonna have a good response from players
I mean as long as it's good and does a similar thing it might not piss people off
probably would tho
cyan notch
the problem is the blessing lock
pearl lion
Keep in mind that Legendary was the highest difficulty for years
primal radish
Also is it true that wildfire won't give a new enemy more than 4 stacks?
fierce sinew
Also is it true that wildfire won't give a new enemy more than 4 stacks?
but who was phone
pearl lion
I do wonder actually if modifiers are supposed to take the place of cataclysm
lethal lagoon
I hope they add in some joke modifers like All enemies are now Ogryns
spice veldt
2k bulwarks
lethal lagoon
Ogryn genocide is my fetish
pearl lion
Flamers get around shields yeah?
blazing trout
Blessings and perks shouldn’t have tiers, and the game would have been better with an attachment system
spice veldt
around but not through shields
leaden thunder
Flamers get around shields yeah?
no
ruby plover
ogryns are like #2 most fun enemies to kill
blazing trout
That’s my opinion and I’m sticking to it
ruby plover
right behind ragers
pearl lion
Ah lame
fierce sinew
call of duty smh
lethal lagoon
Blessing and perks having tiers is a lot of needless busy work, yeah.
lethal lagoon
I don't either, but I can see why some people do.
min-maxing is part of the joy for me
ruby plover
optimizing being the end game is fine imo as long as you can guarantee 80% optimal rolls with a little investment
so like
potent echo
They should have kept the part where you can combine 2 lower tier blessings for a higher tier one
fierce sinew
there are definitely people who play for the in mission experience and view all progression as homework they have to finish to access that
ruby plover
well thats silly
they should just understood that it isnt necessary to 100% optimize!
fierce sinew
they want 40k skinned l4d
potent echo
Also I don't get the stats distribution system, devs say it gives players a choice but the end goal is 80% in everything 
pearl lion
I suspect the 80% limit is so there is a possibility of a rarity above orange
lethal lagoon
What would that even be? Upgrading to red gives a random stat 20%? i hope not lmao
pearl lion
I dunno how they'd implement it
potent echo
Hopefully there's a mechanic where you can shift stats around, like you take a 60% defences and get 100% damage
pearl lion
But I'm guessing thats the reason
potent echo
But base weapon power is still 380
dusky bear
I dont have a single meta perked weapon and I still have fun and am pretty effec...
i dont even want a meta perked weapon. i just want to set up a blazing soul staff build. yet i cant get warp nexus any higher than 2 which is basically useless.
My biggest issue is not only the large grind to just roll a single perk, but also the lock system which can turn an item to trash if you roll 2 bad or undesired blessings or perks.
For example, i want a blazing soul build on trauma. It doesnt matter how good the stats and perks are. If i dont get blazing soul or warp nexus 3/4 as one of the perks, the staff is entirely unusable for the build. Its downright disrespectful of the time i put into it.
I cant rely on the shop or melk for it either. Shop rarely has level 3 blessings anymore, and melk 9/10 times has only axes and guns. No staffs or even force swords.
its raw rng hell
pearl lion
i dont even want a meta perked weapon. i just want to set up a blazing soul staf...
Yeah thats fair, I've been saying there needs to be a pity system
Like, for example another currency for completing missions which gives you a particular weapon at orange level when you spend it
potent echo
Isn't that emperor's gift (kinda)
ruby plover
i dont even want a meta perked weapon. i just want to set up a blazing soul staf...
to me this is more of an issue with balancing between tiers of blessings
than the actual means of acquisition
like i dont think the means of acquisition are perfect or anything but thats not the main issue there
pearl lion
1 coin per difficulty for a completed mission. Spend 15/20 to get an orange of your choice
kind jay
honestly now that we have the blessing codex we should be able to outright buy any blessing at their highest tier from melk
ruby plover
in my humble opinion
pearl lion
Or that yeah
kind jay
we have 4 currencies and ALL of them are for rng purposes
dusky bear
id be happy if it was as simple as melk selling a specific weapon you pick each day for +50% cost
ruby plover
honestly now that we have the blessing codex we should be able to outright buy ...
wait thats a neat idea
pearl lion
Maybe Ominisiah's reward, spend a bunch of coins to unlock a blessing
ruby plover
yeah okay spending melk coins or diamantine on rotating blessings
pearl lion
id be happy if it was as simple as melk selling a specific weapon you pick each ...
Yeah or that
kind jay
no rotating
pearl lion
Like I've said, they just need a lever to release the pressure of RNG
kind jay
any and all at ANYTIME
pearl lion
I understand the RNG requirement for retention
But it needs to have some ways of helping get around it
ruby plover
combining blessings would probably be fine right
though that doesnt help with blessings that only roll at t3+
potent echo
I'm from the "remove RNG entirely" camp where if there was a mod that would unlock everything I would
Too bad everything is server sided
pearl lion
I kind of disagree
If you could just play with the best weapons all the time, there's no reward to keep you playing
If you want to play like that, just knock down the difficulty and be as effective as if you had a meta weapon
I guess they could add a shit load of cosmetics
To incentivise replayability
potent echo
If you want to play like that, just knock down the difficulty and be as effectiv...
That isn't true because some builds require specific blessings
dusky bear
I played hundreds if not thousands of hours of left 4 dead and left 4 dead 2 on xbox. Those games have no progression system at all
spice veldt
I'm incentivized to work towards only the best builds because my materials would otherwise feel "wasted"
potent echo
And gameplay retention comes from having a fun variety of builds to choose from
pearl lion
I played hundreds if not thousands of hours of left 4 dead and left 4 dead 2 on ...
Yeah, I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but those games aren't RPGs
potent echo
Not running your single build and then maybe investing x hours for your other build
near gale
I've played over 3000 hours of Risk of Rain 2. Sure you can unlock some skills, but, items are randomized without an artifact that lets you choose what item of a quality you get. >.>
kind jay
the gameplay loop is good enough for me. the rng gear chase actually makes me want to play less
spice veldt
I am not going to grind for another weapon any time soon
potent echo
Not sure if mentioned yet but DRG's RNG progression is very well done
pearl lion
Their progression in terms of character power isn't RNG is it?
You level up, then choose from a selection of upgrades on a suite of weapon/tools you always have
Ive not played that much though so if it changes at higher levels im unaware
fierce sinew
dusky bear
the gameplay loop is good enough for me. the rng gear chase actually makes me wa...
this is my sentiment as well. Recently ive found my self no longer wanting to play after only a game or two. Takes 2 runs usually to upgrade a grey to blue. So i get on, check melk, and then roll a weapon to once again not get what i need and just get discouraged
fierce sinew
they are among us
potent echo
Ive not played that much though so if it changes at higher levels im unaware
The endgame "blessing" grind is rng based, you unlock I think 3 a week? With more during events
pearl lion
Ah OK
potent echo
But you will never get repeats
And there are no tiers
So eventually you will get everything
pearl lion
DRG is a gud game
ruby plover
DRG overclock situation is kinda fucked still with the new additions
but also theyre working on that with the promo changes
potent echo
They changed the OC system? Haven't played since the covid update
gilded viper
just had a DH kill all 4 party member
ruby plover
promotions give overclocks now
gilded viper
because the second guy who die DC and broke the DH
ruby plover
for the class you promote on i think?
dusky bear
and yet another run and gun blessing. fantastic
ruby plover
which means u can grind OCs with no timegate
idk if that patch is live yet but i heard about it
if there's one thing i'll give DRG devs credit for it's that they always fix problems that appear
potent echo
Oh I see, I guess even less reason to complain
ruby plover
but fortunately i would give them many other things too
potent echo
if there's one thing i'll give DRG devs credit for it's that they always fix pro...
Yeap
near gale
just had a DH kill all 4 party member
Oof
shut ether
just had a DH kill all 4 party member
So you were in my game? LOL
fierce sinew
if people wake it deliberately without asking first I votekick now
gilded viper
was the gun psyker 
shut ether
I was the Void
dusky bear
it suck cause i pull it by mistake and our second psyker instant die to it and R...
were you on damnation?
gilded viper
1000% my fault for that
fierce sinew
time wasting smh
gilded viper
yeah
dusky bear
thats not glitched
gilded viper
no?
potent echo
I asked them about why you can't die while down in drg on their dev stream once, they said it just wouldn't be a fun mechanic
dusky bear
damnation DH will squad wipe you
gilded viper
it should only do 2 then leave
dusky bear
malice kills 2, heresy kills 3, damnation kills 4
cyan notch
no lol
potent echo
What's a DH 
gilded viper
demon host
potent echo
Oh thanks
kind jay
I've never seen dh kill more than 2
gilded viper
this is like the first time i seen it killed more then2 people, not counting the time people die during it but it wasn't from the dh attack
spice veldt
under normal circumstances, it'll only kill 2
shut ether
Our teamate dced as soon as he was killed
This caused the DH to reset and kill more than 2
Because it spawned the bot in his death animation
gilded viper
u hate that he RQ too since the spawn was legit 5 feet away
crimson kiln
Does your average item rating matter like power in VT2 or no?
gilded viper
no
shut ether
People that RQ are pussies
gilded viper
i believe
shut ether
Does your average item rating matter like power in VT2 or no?
I read somewhere that it goes off of your highest earned but that could be a wives tale
crimson kiln
You alt-f4 cuz you're annoyed at your skill issue
I alt-f4 to give my team a chance with a bot
We are not the same
lethal lagoon
DH picking another target after someone rage quits is really annoying
Just kill the bot.
fierce sinew
if there's an alt-f4 timing that reliably resets the dh so that it kills the goofballs that woke it that's pretty good tech to learn
lethal lagoon
Huh? DH always kills the person who woke it up. And then it targets the person that did the most damage, which is a really bad setup.
Because it encourages people not to try and kill the DH
If the person who wakes up the DH rage quits, it then targets two innocent people, which is rough
cyan notch
it encourages you not to wake it up without planning
lethal lagoon
Nah, it encourages you not to DPS it, which is dumb.
cyan notch
not to dps it if your first guy is a noob yea
fierce sinew
Huh? DH always kills the person who woke it up. And then it targets the person t...
not sure if this is the intended behavior or you made it up, but it definitely doesn't work this way now
lethal lagoon
Basically if you wake it up, just accept the loss of two people, gg.
Because it will punish the top dps
cyan notch
if your first guy can kite its fine
lethal lagoon
It might be the first person who DPSs, I'm not sure if it's the top DPS.
cyan notch
then your dps wont be punished
lethal lagoon
But basically target 1 = wake up. Target 2 is who damage it first or most, not sure which.
gilded viper
i wake it up, i died
went to X player, player instant died and RQ during death animation
rest of the party get fucked cause of this
gilded viper
if your first guy can kite its fine
i suck 
lethal lagoon
to be clear when I say "wake up" I mean fully activate it.
cyan notch
2nd guy is the one who did most damage or if not the closest player
lethal lagoon
And "damage it first" as in besides the person who woke it up
dusky bear
People that RQ are pussies
had a vet by the name of "knowbody" the other day. Dude constantly ran ahead and then complained about anyone who wasnt right with him having "split up" near the last area i told him to quit whinging about splitting up when he keeps running ahead. we got into the last area and he quit because "im just trying to communicate, and im no longer having fun with yall"
crimson kiln
I read somewhere that it goes off of your highest earned but that could be a wiv...
I will wear this kekw as a badge of honor
lethal lagoon
if the person who aggros the DH rage quits, they are a douche. if the second person it targets rage quits, I kind of get it.
cyan notch
rage quitting is dumb anyway
lethal lagoon
But at least wait till the death animation is over, be polite.
cyan notch
if the team is wiping just stay for like 30s more and u get your pity mats
pearl lion
I had a guy complain that we weren't keeping up while we were looking for mats as if we were looking from books
fierce sinew
ideally you kill it and just agree not to pick up the guy who woke it
pearl lion
Basically saying "Do you need the xp? yeesh"
kind jay
i got 290 pity plasteel on a dam fail once
fierce sinew
he can leave or watch, he aint playing with us anymore
lethal lagoon
I think a lot of the post patch people who flooded into t5 don't realize you have to actually search the mats or you'll win with like 100.
pearl lion
And me and the other two were like, "We want the mats you dingus"
It was weird cause it was difficulty 3 or 4
Maybe like you say Crow, he was a returning player
lethal lagoon
So were they playing the whole time thinking everyone is slow, not realizing that crafting mats aren't just an end reward lmao.
pearl lion
yeeea
lethal lagoon
Imagine going through dozens of missions like that lmao
pearl lion
"I've played 6 hours and I can finally upgrade an item to orange"
potent echo
You alt-f4 cuz you're annoyed at your skill issue
I alt-f4 to give my team a cha...
Pretty thoughtful of them
cyan notch
crafting mats were never an end reward though
even if he was returning he would know you have to pick mats up
potent echo
He just wants to have fun ||berating pubs||
pearl lion
I did see a game get saved thanks to someone alt f4ing
Whole party was down or grabbed
All of a sudden theres a bot
Rescues one of them and we turned it around
dusky bear
had an ogryn start raging about people looking for mats. i said i ways also looking for the grimoires. he said it doesnt spawn over there, and 2 seconds later i picked up the grimoire that apparently doesnt spawn where i was
ember hornet
brain on ogs
ruby plover
i try not to generalize people
but ogryn players...
they're all too committed to the rp idk
kind jay
as long as they stay relatively nearby they can recite edgar allan poe for all i care
ruby plover
oh yeah i've seen plenty of good ogryns in game ||enough to offset the shield goobers anyways||
but whenever there's a terrible reddit post it always includes "i main ogryn"
maiden wolf
Hey, what do y'all think is the best lasgun for gunking?
ruby plover
yeah i wanted to play psyker at launch but the melee psyker support just wasnt there
so i played zealot
but now we have illsi so goodbye zealot hello psyker maindome
petition to let me have TWBS stun immunity at 90+ peril
cyan notch
no
shut ether
I still haven't found a nice enough FS to switch from my Antaxe V
clear heath
Just get like any Illisi FS with slaughterer
spice veldt
if you wore heavier boots, you wouldn't have been thrown off
gilded viper
kind jay
get your revenge by setting up a Deimos headshot oneshot
even if you have to throw the game to do it
gilded viper
playing zealot made me wish i had deimos
never notice how good something is still it gone
also the new shotguns feel kinda
fleet bear
no new shotguns are g-great
gilded viper
maybe i don't have a built one
vague quail
You just need the single bolt action totally a shotgun in 40k that spews fire
The fireshot has what seems like infinite pen, it goes through everything and lights it up
gilded viper
yeah the slug feel like i should ONLY use the slug ammo and not the normal ammo
vague quail
Same deal for both
gilded viper
😦
hybrid glade
Optimal blessing for a Deimos? Im not running a blaze build
feral verge
Optimal blessing for a Deimos? Im not running a blaze build
i recommend these
the lower the peril resist, the better
(lower peril resist means its easier to remain at high peril for unstable power + warp unleashed, as well as draining peril with quietitude for toughness)
calm sapphire
How could I improve this purgatus on perks / blessings?
feral verge
keep flak, keep warp flurry
change carapace damage to crit chance, change run and gun to warp nexus
pearl lion
Run n gun only works on left click yeah? So I cant imagine thats good
feral verge
Run n gun only works on left click yeah? So I cant imagine thats good
it is very situationally useful
whereas warp nexus and warp flurry are always useful
umbral jetty
Struggling to see the value in warp flurry off-hand. it would make your peril generate slower, which is less toughness, less crit rate
but none of the other blessings do anything really. so it can be nice i suppose
feral verge
It puts more fire down range which means more damage which means more kills for battle meditation to proc on
calm sapphire
@feral verge For purgatus, which is considered the dumpstat? quell speed?
feral verge
Quell speed
Especially now, since quelling is already fast
Burn and cloud radius are the most important stats
DMG isn't that important
Peril resist is nice for spamming rmb
calm sapphire
Thoughts on my feat build?
Don't really know what im doing
I'm running purgatus with blaze force sword
feral verge
Not what id call optimal
This is an optimal purga build
Warp battery + ascendant blaze are important
With 6 warp charges form wapr battery, an ascendant blaze ult will wipe out hordes
And you'll get all of your warp charges back
You'll get warp charges from soul blaze attacks (purga)
Kinetic shield is meh
calm sapphire
You'll get warp charges from soul blaze attacks (purga)
from the purgatus flames themselves?
feral verge
Kinetic deflection is amazing for clutch revives for teammates
feral verge
from the purgatus flames themselves?
Yes
calm sapphire
I only play damnation, and this is my main build for it
Does the damage from ascendent blaze is capable of clearing crushers and bulwarks pretty ez?
pearl lion
Yeah Im partial to the fast BB talent
feral verge
If I have Deimos or obscurus sword I might swing at some of them
olive ember
Fucking purge staff
feral verge
Yeah Im partial to the fast BB talent
I like fast BB on other staves
olive ember
SMH become enlightened
pearl lion
Quite strong against bosses if you have the peril = plus damage as well
olive ember
And run surge staff
pearl lion
Or use VS and be doom guy
calm sapphire
(surge is the most mid staff)
Would u say surge synergize well with purgatus compared to the other staffs when u have 2 or more psykers on the team?
mild tartan
feral verge
Because psykers with ascendant blaze can give each other warp charges with warp fire attacks
feral verge
So the 2nd psyker with a purga can give you warp charges
calm sapphire
So the 2nd psyker with a purga can give you warp charges
does that apply to any other psyker who doesn't have purg?
calm sapphire
Hmm so whats your thoughts on shredder psyker and how does it compare to purga or other builds?
feral verge
Shredder is strong, but one of the best aspects of psyker is that they don't need to care about ammo economy with a staff. When you run shredder, or any other gun, now you lose that benefit
And if you match with a team who hog ammo too (vets, ripper ogryns) then you have a problem
I definitely wouldn't bring a gunker build into high int damn shocktroop
Because ammo drains very quickly in that mode
calm sapphire
Because ammo drains very quickly in that mode
yeah that sucks, your basically useless as a psyker if u run out of ammo.
feral verge
Besides elite killer of the team, psyker is usually the CC powerhouse
With a gun you lose most of that cc
With an ammoless gun, you got no cc
Besides ult
And bb stagger
calm sapphire
Besides elite killer of the team, psyker is usually the CC powerhouse
Do u normally just BB the shotgunners since Purgatus struggles to CC them consistently?
inner sable
What’s a good staff to compliment an Illisi sword?
pearl lion
Basically any
Probably not trauma
Since thats short to mid range and illisi is already very good for melee
feral verge
Do u normally just BB the shotgunners since Purgatus struggles to CC them consis...
Depenes. If they're far I'll BB. If they are mid-close, I may rush them with lmb purga to stun, then melee
If I have 6 warp charges and ascendant blaze ready to go, I'll pop that
And they'll melt in a few seconds
pearl lion
I like VS for the long range clear and ability to stagger at a distance
Iliisi murders anything in melee other than bulwarks and arguably crushers basically, but thats what BB is for
spice veldt
trauma is fine for illisi
tall temple
what talent s does a shredder psyker take? auto bb and extra damage on bb?
pearl lion
Im sure its fine, just IMO its the one I see having the least synergy
spice veldt
i use trauma as my anti-shooter staff and avoid using it for hordeclear
spice veldt
including gunners usually since it often includes other shooters/gunners or the outer area interrupts their volleys
most maps don't have long enough lanes for the limited range to matter, and I'm used to finagling with the trauma staff after 700-ish hours on it
I also despise knocking groaners/poxwalkers with it since I don't want to dedicate mental resources to keeping track of them
pearl lion
Yeah I'm not trying to poo poo it in general, I just mean that it operates on probably the shortest range other than the surge staff, but the surge staff has a different function and with how strong we are in melee now, our short range is pretty well covered
spice veldt
ye, just wanted to say that the stagger it offers can synergize with the illisi by making space against shooters
pearl lion
Fair
spice veldt
though it does have some map dependency
if only I wasn't too lazy to make a list of maps that trauma is particularly good on
pearl lion
Note that I am biased, I have basically only used VS
But I'm familiar enough with the concept of trauma from Conflag
spice veldt
same; albeit for trauma
I only ever used the other staffs early on and on lower difficulties when I had yet to garner hatred for shooters
give me my peril glock
cold geode
give me my peril glock
peril glock?
near wyvern
what talent s does a shredder psyker take? auto bb and extra damage on bb?
113132 or 313132 and you need a shredder with pinning fire
spice veldt
peril glock?
pew pew
cold geode
pinning fire / blaze away being the best combo
jagged lance
if you think your cool sword make you so bad ass that you dont need a use of range weapon/ staff and only bb/melee then think of your team or accept getting kicked
youre not helping out enough
near wyvern
What are good pergatus blessings and perks?
+flak +crit chance and flurry nexus
cyan notch
finally
cloud sequoia
1000 Celcius butter knife
forest coral
is a juicy sword
blazing trout
That is beautiful.
cyan portal
@cyan notch how much peril gain on a special charge?
rocky cedar
I would have thought warp res is more important for illisi than the others
cyan notch
<@283547305758687232> how much peril gain on a special charge?
39%
cyan portal
you want high peril. to either quell it for toughness or keep for dmg boost
rocky cedar
Yeah but on Illisi you're spamming special pretty often, seems like the potential down time it causes would hurt more than getting to high peril faster helps you?
cyan portal
with unstable slaughterer 4 you only need one special swing to be one shotting most things.
rocky cedar
Yeah but you're usually going to do that many times in a row to kill hordes quick
The damage is less the limiting factor, in most cases I'd wager
blissful mural
Yeah but on Illisi you're spamming special pretty often, seems like the potentia...
have you used that thing? warp resist is certainly the dump stat+low warp resist is great if you have quietide
cyan portal
100% power is boosting cleave too, so you heavy swing through chaff
forest coral
Illisi is such a build enabler for ranged options 
Ive kinda fallen in love with deimos for staff builds tho
being able to one tap most elites or two tap maulers is nice
also it 1v1s monsties very comfortably, except bon bon
cyan notch
Yeah but you're usually going to do that many times in a row to kill hordes quic...
yea but if ur playing at high peril warp res matters less
fading apex
what is yall opinion should i have gone for something else blessing wise?
shut ether
How does it perform?
fading apex
good i think its still feel like a grey one in a way. I'm wandering if i should just play force sword instead
forest coral
At the moment, deimos fs is basically just rapier but better
same cleave, more damage, basically same mobility. Can actually kill bigger elites
yeah.
fading apex
maybe double dip cc whit ripost instead of precognition
fading apex
At the moment, deimos fs is basically just rapier but better
that was the feeling i had
forest coral
yeah
wet belfry
None of the blessings on dueling sword are really good
forest coral
some of the blessings are counter productive
like rampage, since ds doesnt even cleave 3 last time i checked
fading apex
pretty dumb indeed
wet belfry
It can but it was extremely hard to proc.
fading apex
if it had a bigger headshot multiplier it would make it more appart i feel
forest coral
I mainly used sword V before the latest patch but
currently its in a weird zone of redundancy
deimos has all its strengths and none of the weaknesses
wet belfry
Deimos is insane
wet belfry
Ive been using a level 10 psyker
forest coral
you can 1v1 assassination bosses with it
without any issue outside of horde interference
wet belfry
Deimos still was able to kill stuff in damnation
forest coral
I mainly use it in damnation
I like the illi, but this suits my playstyle more on staves
wet belfry
It speaks about the weapons power when a terrible version can do things.
fading apex
obscurus is completly outclass now i think about it
fading apex
sadge
forest coral
they're usable but just outclassed
like u aint pulling these off with another melee rn
fading apex
would be nice if the light special attack whit the obscurise would cleave instead of stick since deimos is already better at it
forest coral
yeah
fading apex
https://streamable.com/dfnzaz
that looks fun
forest coral
the stick is only useful for 1v1ing and disabling melee elites imo
otherwise just sniping with the heavy thrust is much more efficient majority of times
also the light attacks hit so hard it works in most mild- medium hordes even with the shitty cleave
it however will get overwhelmed in extreme hordes
fading apex
also it can have deflect i think pretty good
forest coral
Having deflect currently in the weapon is very very nice
but after it gets patched it will be a sad day
fading apex
its bugged?
forest coral
yeah
wet belfry
Deflect is a crutch anyways
forest coral
its nice to have but not necessary
fading apex
fun gimmick i'd say
forest coral
nah, its definitely saved my ass a few times but id rather have more damage when it matters lol
wet belfry
Ive had it helped me once since it was bugged
And that wasnt to save me from dying
That was just preventing some health loss.
river sand
thing is, what else do you need except slaughterer, so why not deflector
forest coral
bloodthirsty is juicy on this thing too
river sand
but when you got slaugtherer they just produce overdamage ^^
thought bloodthirsty gives only 1 crit now ?
river sand
unfortunately i still dont have one, so i couldnt test
but with just one crit, it might be good on illisi special spam
forest coral
oof
river sand
but garbage on deimos/obscuros
forest coral
well, guess having deflect on deimos aint the worst choice
in a weird way makes the sword feel complete with the blocking animation lol
fading apex
true
blissful mural
deflect is passive on both new swords, but not obscurus, so if it gets patched, maybe the old new swords will retain them
fading apex
just checked there is like only six possible blessing on duelling sword that just bad man
chrome arch
I mean I don't remember whether Precognition and the other Dodge one work on just dodge or dodging an attack
fading apex
dodge an attack only
chrome arch
I mean if dodging on sound cue counts, then I say it would be fine
Suffice to say both new Fswords are probably more appealing
fading apex
its neat and work well against horde but power sword just make the same but better
forest coral
ye we were discussing and agreeing the deimos is basically just the ds but better in literally every way except mobility
which was marginally different at most
and illisi is just best all rounder available rn
heavy sword+ powersword love child
chrome arch
Pretty much
fading apex
welp gonna try to get a riposte IV + Shred IV should be fun around 50% crit agaisnt horde
chrome arch
That would be awesome
Got riposte IV rampage IV ds but didn't pick it due to low stats
(milk)
fading apex
mine atm got shred IV and Precognition IV high stat tho dmg is kinda low
chrome arch
By the way I noticed something strange
Every Staff counts as separate archetype?
So that you can get blessings for say Trauma only from surrendering Trauma?
Because looks like it
forest coral
yep
forest coral
Its lame but thats how FS wants us to roll i guess
chrome arch
At least all staves have like 4 blessings each
forest coral
I think Force swords share blessings tho
so there's that at least
yeah they do
i was kinda extra sad when i realized my head takers on tac axes didnt go to my c axes
it was like
chrome arch
Recently started playing with Nomanus Surge staff and...
Feels strange
Definitely doesn't damage all the front of the horde like purgatus does
Does Surge have slightly better range?
forest coral
Well slightly
surges biggest issue is there is a target limit of 5 unless u crit
which gives an extra target of cc
so its horrendously bad against horde since the target is rng
chrome arch
Honestly personally I believe if Purgatus had primary fire like rest of the staves it would be the best
But since it has that
Flamer fard
Yea
forest coral
But its very good in specialist gauntlet
chrome arch
The far🇩 you mean?
forest coral
surge
chrome arch
Ah xD
wet belfry
But its very good in specialist gauntlet
You know whats even better?
chrome arch
Well duh
wet belfry
A shredder autopistol! You should become a gunker today!
forest coral
especially hi intense
chrome arch
But yeah I wish purg had the bloody projectile like the rest
forest coral
I agree only if you dont have a good vet on your team
biggest issue with Hi intense gauntlet is ammo management on a competent team
chrome arch
Also I noticed Nomanus really craves more crit like Warp Nexus
forest coral
ye, purg with crit wont go wrong
chrome arch
Thingy is, I would like to run quicken/fast BB + cerebral lacerations for support but I can't get used to Surge which would be perfect for such builds
stable silo
think this is worth buying with milk money ?
forest coral
Yep
1thats a good sword
1 good blessing and a decnet perk already done
god stats
chrome arch
Maybe if I knew more uses for Nomanus (surge) it would be better
forest coral
id say save surge for a team u can use voice comms with
its pretty horrible as a quickjoin staff
snow scaffold
Why is it horrible
forest coral
Very limited target cap, huge damage fall off from first target shocked
snow scaffold
Oh right the survivability
rocky cedar
Surge is as good as your team mates are
forest coral
^^
rocky cedar
It does pretty bad damage on its own
snow scaffold
Not to mention everyone takes all your kills lol
rocky cedar
So if your team can't capitalise off the CC it's dead weight
rocky cedar
I'd rather have Trauma, the CC scales way better with density and you actually get to do damage
stable silo
final product what should be changed u guys think?
snow scaffold
Actually I've really tried purgatus today and it's so fun, you absolutely can play the most aggressive with it
forest coral
I'd rather have Trauma, the CC scales way better with density and you actually g...
Trauma is extremely good the harder the difficulty
It will both horde clear and control elites with no target cap
snow scaffold
I haven't tried that one that much, I was mostly a surge staff user
forest coral
Can easily hit 500k damage in hi intense
snow scaffold
Does it stun crushers
blissful mural
final product what should be changed u guys think?
IDK if this is gonna last, but it already has deflector, so its redundant-until it may not be
snow scaffold
Maybe I'll try the trauma staff but the purgatus is just too fun if you have an aggressive playstyle
forest coral
Purg wont go wrong
stable silo
blackwater try the trauma its hilarius and addicting
forest coral
its only a bad staff if your team is very good since everything will die before the fires even make a difference
But with an average quickjoin, purg will hard carry
stable silo
with purge its great you have amazing horde control but you dont get the viscerally see wahts happening as they burn the light consumes all with trauma u see the explosions bodies and body parts flying around
forest coral
I personally love purg in lights out
slap on a little wild fire and the way is lit for you 
warp battery will still be a stronger option most of the time
snow scaffold
I'll eventually try the trauma staff but I play my pskyer like it's a zealot with a flamer lol
chrome arch
With purg tho I feel obligated to use asc.blaze
And don't like to lose stacks in segments where it will be hard to quickly regain them
💧
With some rng tho it may happen you suddenly regain 3/4/6 stacks right after casting so that is nice
But I think I then used psychic communion not cerebral lacerations
chrome arch
What this abbreviation means?
forest coral
kinetic barrage, ascendant blaze
chrome arch
Ah well yea
snow scaffold
I don't think psychic communion is that necessary, most people don't constantly spam their ability and save it for the right moments in heresy+
forest coral
I like ab in a team that can take care of the elites for me
i use communion just because im lazy and it keeps me topped up with minimal effort
chrome arch
I don't think psychic communion is that necessary, most people don't constantly ...
So do I
I may use lacerations then
With nomanus it's always lacerations bc I use quicken