im running some devil claw shit
#psyker-class
umbral jetty
can this be saved
cyan notch
are you a gambling man
umbral jetty
is 25% unyielding any good on the illisi
viral solstice
and then u can run 25% unyielding / whatever and ur gucci
spice veldt
illisi's special deals bonus against unyielding
viral solstice
unyielding is fine its not amazing but its not complete trash
spice veldt
so i guess ur gonna fuck bosses hard
cyan notch
is that the guy who sang the song yeah
umbral jetty
the 20% warp resist makes me excited for it.
near wyvern
Take kinetic deflection instead of kinetic shield, pick pinning fire shredder for your ranged slot and a slaughter deflector Illisi in your melee slot.
You see a mutant/flamer? Delete with shredder. You see some trash here and there? Delete with shredder/Illisi. You see a horde? 4 stack AB to max out pinning fire and keep trashing to refresh the dot to delete all but ogryns and mutants in 30m cone with one ult. You see a monstrosity? Get to 100 peril and start 97 pumping that BB.
It's the build that can do it all.
viral solstice
is that the guy who sang the song yeah
idk
umbral jetty
deflector is built into illisi, or did that get hotfixed?
spice veldt
not fixed yet
cyan notch
its still there
umbral jetty
I feel like deflector + kinetic deflection makes FS better than ogryn shield if your goal is to be a sponge
what second perk would you suggest for illisi? maniac or flak?
spice veldt
i personally prioritize maniac over flak cuz I hate specialists and dreg ragers more than flak enemies
ruby plover
spongers 
near wyvern
deflector is built into illisi, or did that get hotfixed?
Will be surely removed so don't build a sword counting on it
viral solstice
like
if its the ranged goonswarm
u shoot them
and if they dont instantly die they get instnatly suppressed
little merlin
hey mates, is it worth buying ?
ruby plover
im glad deflector came free so i know that i dont care at all about it
halcyon creek
hey mates, is it worth buying ?
Stat lines okay, already pre-whiffed on the Blessing (and maybe perk?)…
Buy it and prepare to be disappointed by Hadron
little merlin
gotchu thanks 🙂
halcyon creek
It got a flashlight on it. I’m ogryn main, am jealous
Tried to swipe my sah’s lasgun and tape it on my rippa. Everywun says is flashlight, yes?
viral solstice
also i feel like ppl dont realise how funny the sprint stuff is
spice veldt
what do you mean sir crab
viral solstice
ill show
weary palm
thoughts?
viral solstice
but u can basically do the "if i dont believe in them they will go away" strat
spice veldt
i'd pick the left one if I had to choose, though I dislike both of them
viral solstice
this ia more general one
but ill show a goonier one
and this works if ur like righ ton top of ppl too
dont need a slide when i can literally just sprint sideways
spice veldt
do ur cardio to dodge bullets
viral solstice
i just remember reading all this complaining about ranged damage in damnation like 3 months ago
and it took me a while to realise that most ppl didnt know like
u know
the basic stuff
spice veldt
and yet despite the tutorial, people don't use it
probably because it's not explicitly stated in words that it makes you unhittable by ranged
ruby plover
i mean there was a guy in zealot chat yesterday saying zealots have to hide in cover because they cant just walk into ranged
if will never change
viral solstice
somebody very confidently informing me it doesnt work on vet
spice veldt
well you can always do something about it
spice veldt
doesnt hurt to put the information about it out
ruby plover
spice veldt
pro gamer move to not sprint towards or away from your problems but to sprint perpendicularly
viral solstice
im so glad i played deadshot duck n dive for so long
because it teaches u immediately what stops u taking ranged damage
u should NEVER sprint on vet btw u will INSTANTLY die
leaden thunder
true
viral solstice
let me show u
leaden thunder
happened to me twice just now
viral solstice
how instantly u die
ruby plover
dont even move just take camp expert and shoot from spawn the whole mission
viral solstice
(btw this is why letting vets not play deadshot duck n dive has made the community dumb)
leaden thunder
clearly I sprinted when joining a game
viral solstice
i actually have clutched an assassination because of this
the boss shooting his shotgun at me as i slid away gave me the sprint juice to avoid some poxwalkers who were running after me
it happened once so ill say it happens every mission
still hearth
Knife Veteran secretly OP
Get stamina from dodging to push attack more
And sprint more
cloud sequoia
Anyone tried quicken build? 
stray solar
bloodborne??
cloud sequoia
The "can't explode" Build
still hearth
Quicken build is pretty fun
Too bad it doesn't work on bosses
We need BB to give 1 stack even if you don't kill
cloud sequoia
We need BB to give 1 stack even if you don't kill
That sounds broken
fresh reef
voidstrike my beloved
meager plinth
Keep the crit damage or switch to enemy %?
spice veldt
switch to enemy%
although the force sword has a high crit dmg multiplier to somewhat take advantage of it, 8% is not really that much anyways
i'd go for something like +maniac (mutants, dreg ragers, almost every specialist) or +flak (scab ragers, maulers)
meager plinth
Aight sounds good 
olive ember
We need BB to give 1 stack even if you don't kill
exactly psyker is weakest class still, we need more buffs
all the buffs
spice veldt
derpy has relatively plain human names for his characters iirc
peter and steven are the ones I recall
olive ember
peter steven brian and andy
my ogryn's name is brian
maybe I should've mispelled it to be brain but meh
spice veldt
was about to shoo you away from this chat if you gave your ogryn the namesake of your discord name
olive ember
lol nah
typically its DerpySlurpee, DerpySlurpy, or SlurpeeDerpy
or some variation of that if i'm using IGN
I even got last names chosen for my funny characters if needed for some other game
since some games ask for first and last name cuz rp
spice veldt
4 split personalities
weak galleon
are level 4 blessings generally more rare than lvl3 in current system ? I.e., higher chance to get warp nexus later on.
lethal folio
Flak/maniac
olive ember
4 split personalities
honestly I haven't rly thought of personalities for em
Maybe i'll base em off the darktide personalities I chose kek
spice veldt
are level 4 blessings generally more rare than lvl3 in current system ? I.e., hi...
yup, they are rarer than T3s
spice veldt
shoots out a follow-up shot after a crit
however, on the trauma staff, it only works on the LMB
spice veldt
yup
neat sand
i would have loved a higher base level item but im total out of coins, milk tokens, plaststeel and down to 300 diamantin lol
I cant wait to chop a muti in half now XD
feral verge
bloodthirsty is thoroughly meh now
olive ember
Still great on illisi tho
neat sand
and enough warp resistance to use it more then 3 times before your head explodes 🙂
feral verge
i dislike high warp resist on illisi
on all force swords
the lower, the better for me
spice veldt
I only dislike it if it took points from the other stats
feral verge
makes it easier to get high peril for quietitude and damage
spice veldt
bitch ass 80% warp res and 31% mobility
umbral jetty
this is what i've got until i find a bloodthirsty 4
it'll probably hold a place in my heart even after if just to use with gun psyker
neat sand
lol 79% damage but 1 more point then my 80% XD
spice veldt
i'd prob prefer unstable power over bloodthirsty
feral verge
mine
spice veldt
since the condition is easier to trigger and the effect is more easily seen when cleaving targets
umbral jetty
either or I suppose. unstable and slaughterer would be nice.
i wish they made deimos rub like the illisi
spice veldt
though since you're usually already stacking power with slaughterer, the relative increase of damage from unstable power would be less compared to crits
the lowest target hit by a heavy receives a 1.15 crit multiplier compared to the usual 2.3x multipler at 80% finesse
neat sand
since we quell so fast now is US power still worth the slot ?
spice veldt
i'd say so especially with the illisi since the special is very spammable
and especially since they fixed the thresholds for unstable power
huh the falloff for crit multipliers is sharp instead of gradual
for the heavy-special, the first three targets take 1.474x more damage from crits compared to normal attacks, and the 4th target & beyond take 1.15x more damage
spice veldt
it's still good against melee elites since the base cleave of the special is enough to cleave two ragers/maulers
and it staggers them like the power sword special (enough to stagger ragers out of their combos)
I use the trauma staff so it throws enemies around
neat sand
We have good aoe staffs
my fire staff is good at aoe clear you are right but some times i want to chop things up like a preacher but look cooler doing it 😛
spice veldt
melees also tend to kill split-up groups of enemies faster and I prefer them when I'm rushing a map
neat sand
also melk will insists on giving me kill XXX in melee EVERY week
near wyvern
i'd prob prefer unstable power over bloodthirsty
Illisi so so fucking good for WU and Unstable Power stacking. Wish Deimos could be janked the same because
Can be done at 2 warp charges with 80 or more peril and having more reduced the peril treshold obviously.
summer prairie
I like how consistently deimos stabs can hit weakspots even from behind e.g. mutants.
twilit badger
Psyker is so good after buff
I'd say the best class in the game
Forget about vet
Slow ass class that can't do unlimit dodge and needs ammo for shooting boolets ))
rain saddle
still does less damage kekw and isn't in god mode
obsidian creek
so whats the gold standard blessings for staves now
near wyvern
Slow ass class that can't do unlimit dodge and needs ammo for shooting boolets )...
Wait till you learn about the fact that with Deimos you can spam dodges faster than a vet can sprint with stamina
rain saddle
enlightened stubber vet
twilit badger
Wait till you learn about the fact that with Deimos you can spam dodges faster t...
Illisi >>>>> PS
Also
They think PS is OP
Kek
summer prairie
weak galleon
what's the meta on void, right now?
twilit badger
Warp flurry
weak galleon
blessings specifically
twilit badger
The one that makes your peril gone
near wyvern
so whats the gold standard blessings for staves now
BiS:
- Purge, Flurry Nexus
- Void, Flurry Peril
- Surge, Flurry Nexus
- Trauma, Flurry Shockwave
Good runner ups:
- Trauma, Nexus Spirit
- Surge, Focused Channeling + anything else
weak galleon
yeah, that one
obsidian creek
BiS:
- Purge, Flurry Nexus
- Void, Flurry Peril
- Surge, Flurry Nexus
- Trauma, ...
gratitude
twilit badger
Is shockwave on Trauma
Actually does something
Other than making your team mates
long wharf
BiS:
- Purge, Flurry Nexus
- Void, Flurry Peril
- Surge, Flurry Nexus
- Trauma, ...
I think you meant Surge, Nexus Blazing Spirit
twilit badger
Easier to kill Crushers?
cyan notch
john darktide
twilit badger
Trauma charged secondary fire already ignores armor pretty much isn't it
I guess after few secondary charge ups you can destroy crushers with primary energy ball spamming
near wyvern
I think you meant Surge, Nexus Blazing Spirit
Only if Surge had Blazing Spirit
still hearth
Surge but not that Surge
cyan notch
lieutenant surge
near wyvern
Actually does something
Trauma ignores armour already so it doesn't increase trauma damage, however, many ranged weapons deal significantly less damage against crushers who actually don't have that much health.
You apply brittleness on that tin can while a veteran of zealot unloads a brauto or even just lasgun and it will have more holes than my mother's swiss cheese.
It's also really solid if you throw a lone elite on your feet to finish it off with melee.
The nice thing about rending Shockwave is that while it has a cap of 8 stacks, any application will refresh the duration of that debuff. Since trauma has huge range, you can have a pack of 8 crushers all britteled up and ready to be popped.
twilit badger
So it's more of support weapon
near wyvern
...
The other option on trauma would be Warp Nexus but the critical damage bonus on that staff is very low, therefore Rending Shockwave is the better choice.
twilit badger
Rather than directly buff it's performance
near wyvern
As you will get more overall DPS out of your whole team
calm sapphire
Is stamina curios worth it?
twilit badger
If only surge blessing could have worked on trauma secondary charge up attacks
near wyvern
Rather than directly buff it's performance
Yeah the damage buff you get applied to your team mates is greater than the additional crit every 6th spell.
twilit badger
Is stamina curios worth it?
Depending on what you are trying to do
near wyvern
Is stamina curios worth it?
Yes. You should use one with +3 stamina regardless of your build. Psyker weapons have very low stamina so it makes avoiding getting hit a lot easier. Even if you run kinetic deflection, the peril cost to block is reduced by your max stamina.
near wyvern
Why not.
twilit badger
Yeees
calm sapphire
To assert dominance
Dominate DH yes yes
near wyvern
You can dominate DH by just dodging with Deimos. If you can go around in circles she can't keep up and constantly tries to teleport to you but that is too slow as well.
calm sapphire
You can dominate DH by just dodging with Deimos. If you can go around in circles...
That's good to know
Feels great going into damnation at lvl 18 
The power gap isn't an issue since brain burst still going strong
feral verge
if i see a level 18 on damnation, with a common/low level border im quitting
near wyvern
Yeah please don't do damnation at 18 unless you have friends who you asked to carry you
Your damage is just not really there so you are going to slow down the run for everyone
near wyvern
Feels great going into damnation at lvl 18 <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239...
The moment you get hit by a horde + 6 crushers, 2 dogs, 2 mutants and 3 flamers the damage is the issue. Just please don't. You need better gear and all the feats.
calm sapphire
if i see a level 18 on damnation, with a common/low level border im quitting
I've already played damnation 200+ games on my ogryn and vet so it isn't bad for others as long as u are capable of holding your weight
Psyker power gap isn't as bad as the other classes when jumping difficulties
summer prairie
It's fine, a minor damage difference doesn't matter if you can pull your weight
feral verge
low int damn is perfectly fine. regualr damn might be pushing it. high int damn, you're throwing
summer prairie
a lvl 18 running illisi (when does this unlock) + surge or purgatus isn't any different than a lvl 30
just missing barrage
calm sapphire
Run Purgatus
Yes that's what I run to make life easy
still hearth
Voidstrike is the most stat reliant staff
But even a shitty Purg isn't that much worse than a perfect one
summer prairie
a 40 dmg void is fine if you can get the blessings
mortal crest
Is the Surge staff super mid or is that just me?
mortal crest
It doesn't even stun things instantly. If they're going into the animation sometimes they still get the hit off on your teammates before being stunned.
feral verge
purga, even
purga and trauma can not only stun shit (except muties ofc) BUT they can also kill shit
mortal crest
Stopping Mutants and Bursters is nice, but against a horde you need to stun more than just the front few enemies.
feral verge
unlike surge
mortal crest
Yeah.
feral verge
a killed enemy is a perma CC'd enemy
mortal crest
I like Trauma because if someone has to do an objective you can spam it on them.
Or just run into them and spam it on your feet.
feral verge
yea same
mortal crest
I tried playing with a decent Surge staff and the entire time I was picked apart by shooters as my team sliced up the elites, specials, and trash I was stunning.
Kinda defeats the purpose lol
feral verge
surge staff is the only staff that i havent bothered to farm for a good one
twilit badger
I'm having terrible luck on melk and crafting with my psyker
feral verge
cuz all surges are the same, and surge overall is very mid
mortal crest
Me, too.
twilit badger
Legit want me to make another psyker character
Just to get better odds with melk
mortal crest
cuz all surges are the same, and surge overall is very mid
I wonder if they'll ever buff it to have UNLIMITED POWER.
If it jumped to every single enemy in a horde I could see it being better.
Or just increasing its range and making it an insta-stun.
What really gets me is how much peril the Surge staff takes for each attack versus how much CC and damage it does.
Doesn't feel equivalent.
faint vault
Legit want me to make another psyker character
Me too!
Contemplating deleting my Ogryn, Vet and Zealot and make it all psykers.
mortal crest
Pfffff
That's crazy. I get bored super fast.
Not bored enough to get my Ogryn to level 30 though.
No thanks.
faint vault
I find the psyker to have the most immersive gameplay. The rest bore me after a few matches.
mortal crest
Zealot I find fun, Vet is kinda easy mode, and Ogryn I genuinely dislike.
To each their own, though.
feral verge
i just want unstable power 4
then my main build is done
i spent 20k plasteel last night, rtying to get
i didnt
but i did get a few other t4s
fading heath
is barrage good on this staff? also which perk to reroll into what
feral verge
i got all of these last night
still hearth
is barrage good on this staff? also which perk to reroll into what
Barrange is always bad.
It centers around you
Which is not where you usually have ranged enemies when you're using your staff
Unless you're doing some insane MLG slide into gunners and then zapping them strat
still hearth
Warp Flurry + Warp Nexus is the go to, yeah.
fading heath
and perks?
still hearth
Why does the Force Sword
Have 11 T4 blessings
Probably Flak + Crit/Carapace
Idk I don't use Surge
I just look at its values sometimes
Sigh about how it can't kill more than 2 targets
feral verge
surge is the middest of the mid
still hearth
Surge is amazing at one thing, decent at another and then just kinda bad at everything else.
feral verge
All my homies hate surge
granite mauve
i need to blow the fuck up
clear heath
I like surge
I just treat it like util
while our actual util slot is like a weapon
late yew
Why shredder is good but recon is bad if they have similar stats?
clear heath
shredder is more damage and way more stagger (recon staggers for 0 on some enemies lol)
but a big reason is the better blessings on shredder
pinning fire gives +100% power
blaze away gives +50%
faint vault
Pinning shot. AB staggers. It's hilarious.
clear heath
also autopistol will start piercing through multiple enemies with power boosts
so with pinning...
late yew
anyway it is pretty fun to use recon lasgun with kinetic flayer
jovial quail
Anyone know if toughness regen on curio affects this whatsoever?
jovial quail
Gotcha, makes sense just wanted to confirm to make sure haha
subtle linden
I kinda want to try out a pimped out autopistol
late yew
actually
Recon has much higher dps
because it is pin point accurate
while good portion of shredder misses
feral verge
there's a reason why people are spouting praise for auto pistol, and ppl are shitting on recon
gilded viper
yeah it would out performed at long range but that basically any gun that can ABS
gilded viper
TRUE
gilded viper
infernus is nice since it like a 150ist bot
leaden thunder
with deathspitter + dumdum
gilded viper
but that kinda it
i hate those blessing
since the vld is long range and having close range blessing is kinda like ???
gilded viper
actually why those recon get close range blessing now thinking about it
clear heath
mg12 exists for long range anyways
autopistol is meant to do really well close
and it's insanely good at this
gilded viper
recon only upside i can say it "hey if u want to hold LMB at long range without missing u can"
that kinda it
leaden thunder
oh and it looks pretty
clear heath
the 0 stagger it does to poxwalkers makes me feel like i'm playing Fox in smash
gilded viper
but im super bias as it my main gun of choice on psyker
clear heath
except faster
still hearth
Gray Deimos weakspot on H2
900 damage on rager
Lul
Might've even been a body hit
gilded viper
also i try using the mk 2 and my god, i almost wanted to leave the match and switch range weapons
nothing was dying compare to my vld
wish rager head was easier to hit in game
they move too much + getting stun by them at the same time
digital narwhal
Love it when the game decides to fuck over a perfect weapon by giving it a T2 Perk
It's still good but
fuck that's annoying
timber shale
Love it when the game decides to fuck over a perfect weapon by giving it a T2 Pe...
i mean, it's purgatus, the perks are pretty meaningless on it most of the time
timber shale
fair
digital narwhal
But hey, I still have this.
Shame about Burn being 75% instead of 76% though
Just barely missed max Soulblaze stacks.
still hearth
Trash it
hollow current
Any other trauma users have an opinion on whether warp nexus helps with Trauma a lot?
leaden thunder
for normal truama not really
still hearth
It doesn't.
feral verge
it doesnt help
still hearth
"Interesting"
hollow current
yeah I tested in the thingy and it seemed to be only about 10% damage when it did proc
leaden thunder
I was trying to test my fire truama build
but kept getting thrown into hi int shock
it seemed
interesting
at the very least
hollow current
current stave on left, new one I might try out after switching the perks to be more similar on the right.
still hearth
Sustained Fire doesn't apply on the secondary
hollow current
charge rate is the only thing that's a bit worse at 1/5 a second slower. hopefully I don't feel it too much.
And yeah that's where warp flurry is going to go
near wyvern
Any other trauma users have an opinion on whether warp nexus helps with Trauma a...
Regular trauma? No. Spirit trauma, it's mandatory.
umbral jetty
warp flurry + rending shockwave would be decent to aim for?
near wyvern
It's BiS for Trauma
umbral jetty
nice. gotta keep my eyes out
perk wise i was probably going to go unarmored + flak. is there a preferred though?
hollow current
goddamnt. I wish i rolled 20% flak instead of unarmored.
25% unarmored makes 1/2 3/4 charges so good
ornate hamlet
ayo, this aint just me, right? 
near wyvern
perk wise i was probably going to go unarmored + flak. is there a preferred thou...
You want +unarmoured and +infested so you can one shot all trash regardless of your damage multipliers. It makea a huge difference for Battle Meditation procs.
Flak mobs have a max of 360HP (excluding elites). Unarmoured goes up to 450 and infested which have 300HP have explosive resistance so they take less no matter what.
So for BiS Trauma you are looking for +unarmoured +infested with Warp Flurry and Rending Shockwave. Statwise, Charge Speed and Blast Radius are the most important ones.
+infested is the more important one for perk
ornate hamlet
shit got me 3 times today already and i still havent completed a match
still hearth
Haven't happened to me once
ornate hamlet
god, i hate dedicated servers when they dont dedicate themselves
its only been getting worse for me since the latest update
vagrant frigate
wow
i just got kicked from a game after carrying the entire team high int shock
three southern sounding 50 yr old men
lol what
hollow current
You want +unarmoured and +infested so you can one shot all trash regardless of y...
I'd say there's an argument for flak over infested. A full charge will turn infested into salsa anyways and they're far less threatening. Pulling off quick charges on flak shooters feels far more valuable in damnation.
leaden thunder
on damnation a full charge won't kill poxies with no damage boosts
hollow current
Oh right, I usually run six warp charges. of course cant have them up all the time.
near wyvern
I was in a match where a vet got downed on the first encounter. Someone started a vote kick. I voted no and the vet got to stay. Didn't get downed for the rest of the run and they did the most damage in the end.
At times shit happens or people are sleeping on the wheel. Say no to toxicity siblings.
ornate hamlet
you can if you try really hard and rush a bit 
hollow current
But it works well enough and I can get rid of shooters more easily 🤷♂️
ornate hamlet
but unless its a snails pace, youll usually be on 5 before you can pop someone again
near wyvern
I'd say there's an argument for flak over infested. A full charge will turn inf...
If you want anti shooter capabilities you want nexus spirit.
ornate hamlet
I was in a match where a vet got downed on the first encounter. Someone started ...
yeah, sometimes things are just coincidences
clear heath
I've had games where i've blown myself up at the beginning but did well for the rest of the game. We've all fucked up before
ornate hamlet
maybe someone misses an overhead dodge, eats a chainsaw to the face and then waits for a rescue twice, then saves the match on the finale
sometimes im chaining laspistol headshots like a cowboy, the other times ill miss a dude standing still 4 times
hollow current
If you want anti shooter capabilities you want nexus spirit.
I haven't tried it but I'm not quite convinced it's better than flak and unarmored with warp flurry.
near wyvern
I haven't tried it but I'm not quite convinced it's better than flak and unarmor...
If you are looking at pure DPS on mobs no, it's not better. The neat thing with it is that you can deal more damage with the outer radius explosion if you peel for vets.
But in any case +infested allows you to get Battle Meditation procs reliably on poxwalkers which is really good. Flak ranged will get killed if you hit with epicentre anyways.
clear heath
is nexus spirit trauma used with wildfire?
near wyvern
is nexus spirit trauma used with wildfire?
You can but it's only pretty visuals and +2 DPS
With spirit nexus you either go PA/PC KF AB for cycler. Basically when a horde comes in you use only max charge shots until proc and then AB. It's a half 7 stack half 4 stack ult at that point.
Other option is to go warp battery with KB or Quicken, depending on if you want to spam the staff all the time or also BB every now and then.
late yew
Should i spam heavy or lights with illi against horde?
hollow current
If you are looking at pure DPS on mobs no, it's not better. The neat thing with ...
Yeah I can't deny it's 50/50 at times with walkers depending on my stacks, but I just like being able to half charge flak units to delete them asap. Walkers taking an extra charge is less punishing from how I play I guess.
near wyvern
Should i spam heavy or lights with illi against horde?
Depends on the situation. There is also the heavy light repeat which is purely horizontal.
leaden thunder
that's what i do generally
wet jacinth
A psyker with a Cracked Illsi Force charged 6 warp charges and a prime poxwalker horde infront of them.
near wyvern
@late yew
To elaborate, heavy heavy is your top DPS combo both single target and horde. However it's unsafe to use vs horde unless you have someone staggering for you because the moment you kill the mobs, new ones come in who are ready to slap you before the next heavy comes out.
The light light is lower DPS but it interrupts fast. It's also unsafe if there is a thick horde but it's safe and good to use while moving around the horde as you can focus on dodges and positioning.
Heavy light is the middle road of these, allows good horde cleave with the heavy followed by a quick horizontal light to interrupt the new ones coming in to slap you and then you repeat.
wide tiger
power sword still king
wet jacinth
near wyvern
Trauma is the cleave king
near wyvern
It's a bit odd it doesn't even cripple enemies
Like if you have that kind of meat sack charging through you some bones are going to break
wet jacinth
Poxwalker: Yeah and then their ogryn just Charged at me. A SINGLE POXWALKER. I lived but then I got blasted by their vet using a fire shotty
near wyvern
You mean roasted
wet jacinth
late yew
<@351362618981744653>
To elaborate, heavy heavy is your top DPS combo both sin...
that's the thing, light spam feels like it has more dps
hollow current
slaughterer IV, a true gift from the emperor, i am blessed 
feral verge
get unstable power iv or 3 on that bad boy and its gonna be a thing to behold
oh
the first target is pretty sad tho
hollow current
first target doesn't scale as badly as finesse but I just sacraficed it for the blessing anyways
she's darn near perfect
late yew
I don't get why force swords hav e infinite dodge
hollow current
I don't make use of blood thirsty for obvious reasons though. 2nd poke so strong.
lucid olive
what perks are good for illisi?
hollow current
Slaughterer, + whatever else. maybe blood thirst because it doesn't stick like the other two force swords do when charged.
spice veldt
or unstable power
hollow current
yeah unstable power would probably be my first pick.
stroke it off to 100% and then swing.
hollow current
sticking my head in the sand and am pretending the bug is never going to get fixed.
spice veldt
dodging and sliding
feral verge
@gusty furnace that psyker was interesting
feral verge
yea
olive ember
Surge staff!
feral verge
i was mai
gusty furnace
I'm a huge fan of the palpatine staff on my ogryn/zealot
olive ember
What he do
olive ember
Bruh
gusty furnace
but I killed myself with a plasma gun
feral verge
i saw that lmao
gusty furnace
so win some, ya lose some
feral verge
thats the most damage i've taken in a long time
i was fucking around with a deimos sword
gusty furnace
I was addicted to taking 20% of the BoN's HP per shot
feral verge
instead of illisi
gusty furnace
plasma gun doesn't like addicts
late yew
i hate t hat it damages hp on vent
gusty furnace
Yeah that's frankly my only real complaint about the weapon
You're forced into a nearly 10 second reload
to not hurt yourself lowering heat
or you just facetank the heat like a real man
and die to one poxwalker's chip damage
olive ember
I mean sienna from VT took hp damage whenever she active vented
lethal folio
VT you could get that hp back.
gusty furnace
I just reload at this point
QQ swap as soon as the 135 pops up
cuts the reload down from ~10 seconds to ~7
But still, 10 seconds of downtime every 6 shots is horribly designed
Very much a "We only played this on malice" kinda vibe from it
late yew
Can take 20% increased reload speed talent
gusty furnace
It just can't keep up with the enemy density on damnation unless you like fighting way more specials than is necessary because you're camping in a room
feral verge
with unstable power
late yew
It just can't keep up with the enemy density on damnation unless you like fighti...
it seems that plasma just way worse bolter in about every regard
gusty furnace
Bolter is better in 10 out of 10 situations
It even takes more boss HP in the same amount of time
olive ember
Shh don’t let vet chat hear you
late yew
foking blunts
gusty furnace
I'm not even using a bad one either
I just need gloryhunter
Wish I could've gotten maniac instead of carapace as second perk, but alas
austere estuary
if only executor didnt suck
Sadly especially on Deimos
gusty furnace
I think the most annoying part about the plasma gun is that arms have a static 51.5% damage reduction
austere estuary
It’s actually going to give you some value on illisi done when you cleave and first touch is weakspot
gusty furnace
I only do 273 damage to dreg shooters when I shoot them in the arm
Gets shot by plasma round that can go right through leman russ armor
shoots your face off in return
okay fatshark 
austere estuary
Plasma should be insane line nuke at least, like a mega cracked out void with the downside of insane reload
gusty furnace
Unironically Unarmored/Flak would probably be BiS on this stupid weapon so you can consistently one-shot all man-sized enemies
austere estuary
Maybe one day
gusty furnace
Maniac only gets you one shot BPs on charged shots
austere estuary
D:
gusty furnace
which you can do with a headshot anyway
gusty furnace
Plasma should be insane line nuke at least, like a mega cracked out void with th...
yeah, 553 damage on an 80% roll feels way too low
should be like. . . 700
so you can at least one-shot everything you're looking at thats the same size as you
Sorry, 562*
austere estuary
umbral jetty
dump stat for shredder autopistol?
gusty furnace
dump stat for shredder autopistol?
mobility
er
collateral?
Yeah, collateral - even with pinning fire.
late yew
I'm not even using a bad one either
what is brittleness b tw
gusty furnace
zoom zoom
spice veldt
damage reduction reduction
gusty furnace
So if you have 50% carapace damage
And 4 stacks of rending/brittleness
That means you get 20% more damage
against carapace
Which is, surprisingly, relevant on the plasma rifle
spice veldt
still hearth
4 stacks of brittleness is 20%
gusty furnace
Ignore the bottom line, it got patched
still hearth
20% of 50%
spice veldt
in your example, 20% brittleness would make you do 60% damage against carapace instead of 50% damage
gusty furnace
Oh
well, close enough. it makes armor marginally less effective - 8 stacks is the maximum too FWIW
I say marginally, but it lets ripper guns absolutely fuck up crushers
still hearth
Yeah it's just another needlessly complex thing
gusty furnace
Can Opener Tier 4 = 8 stacks of brittleness per stab
8 stacks of brit = 400 damage with your ripper(I think its actually like 330 ish?)
= lol goodbye crusher
flint sky
Any gun psykers in chat?
feral verge
hhmm
ik deflector is pointless rn
but for later, when its patched
not to blcok bullets
but for use to generate peril
flint sky
(Tho the weakest since I'm a recon fan boi)
Thank you for identifying yourself, the black ships are coming for you
gilded viper
flint sky
You will have a long time to think about your misdeeds
gilded viper
umbral jetty
going to hunt for a shredder autopistol for gunpsyker..
vestal raven
i dont think its that deep, its also fun+ an effective pdw
olive ember
I mean you say that but have you seen the pug vets
gilded viper
Not what the score board telling me most of the time
olive ember
Lmao
gilded viper
And gun can be inefficient with ammo but it up to the player to not mag dumb all their ammo in the first 5 min of the match
olive ember
But
spice veldt
are we still on the issue where people can't comprehend that it's a player issue and not a build issue
olive ember
Funny autopistol go brr
spice veldt
do melee weapons not exist to you
who cares about what gun you run as long as you bring a good melee
literally bring a recon to damnation just for suppression and it'll work fine
olive ember
I had a malice game where none of em did hab dreyko objective
Didn’t even follow me around and cover me
spice veldt
use your melee then
gilded viper
You acting like everyone just try to main gun 100% of the time and mag dumb instantly which isn't the case most of the time and if that happen it the vet doing dumb shit or shotgunner user from my experience
spice veldt
almost like a significant portion of specialists take extra melee damage
hmm
HMMM
and they still leap at you in a straight line
smack them with melee
smack them with melee
gilded viper
Or shoot them when they get close and not when they running away
gilded viper
And can we not go around calling people brainlet because u don't agree with someone, it just make u look childish
spice veldt
it's not skill
it's just using a good melee weapon
psykers have brain burst so it doesn't matter what ranged weapon you bring most of the time
gilded viper
Ok then
spice veldt
yeah and melee-locking ranged enemies is also a great piece of utility
use your melee
good
then you don't need to worry about using up ammo
that's good then
gilded viper
Congrat I guess
spice veldt
since you don't worry about using up ammo, then why do you care about what your teammates run?
and other classes have melee
why is this even a psyker exclusive problem?
zealots don't even have a particular boost to their ammo economy
then don't use overly specific wording that implies that it's only psykers
like this
so it's fine for me to magdump enemies with recon lasguns as a vet
gilded viper
So basically anyone that isn't vet?
spice veldt
got it
how is it a reach?
it's bad for me to magdump as zealot/psyker, but it's not as a vet?
so it's a weapon problem
gilded viper
Not a bad reach, u saying u don't like gun psyker can they steal the ammo for the vet
spice veldt
and you can avoid this problem by just not using the weapon
i mean in a perfect premade team, sure
but I'm not trusting teammates to be good at shooting
leaden thunder
if the vet isn't braindead they don't need all the ammo
spice veldt
what's wrong with conserving ammo?
it's apparently wrong to magdump, but then you have a bone to pick with conserving ammo
olive ember
Ngl there’s plenty of ammo to go around in my experience
spice veldt
that's a player issue if they're using the bolter on the horde
leaden thunder
if they mag dump hordes
olive ember
Unless team as a whole has bad ammo consumption
spice veldt
and ADSing exists for bolters
olive ember
I don’t only place malice lmao
gilded viper
Why u gotta assume people just play on malice
spice veldt
so I wasn't exactly sure
leaden thunder
idk seems like you are just angry people aren't playing exactly the way you want them to
mint stump
bolter converts to semi-auto when ADSing
spice veldt
like I said, it's a player issue
if people are magdumping, that's on them
certain weapons have shittier ammo economy, but if they're being wishy washy with their ammo, that's still on the player
why are you even blaming the build when the blame demonstrably lies on the player
if you're worried about running out of blocks, just flame the player and incentivize them to block you
spice veldt
that's a good example of bolter usage?
gloomy yarrow
ok so I have 4 shredder pistols for psyker for a gun psyker meme which do I keep
spice veldt
or you could just melee since they're all enemies that comes to you
olive ember
ok so I have 4 shredder pistols for psyker for a gun psyker meme which do I keep
Get pinning fire 4 and then decide I suppose
spice veldt
if you just reduce it to two mutants and two dogs, that's perfectly manageable
olive ember
Shredder is trash w/o it
pearl lion
Maybe its cause I play with a staff, but I almost never see ammo be a cause of wipe
gilded viper
Gun isn't the only option to killing all of them and most of the time your teammate won't just afk and leave everything to you to kill
pearl lion
I almost never run out of ammo when Im playing ammo classes anyway
leaden thunder
Maybe its cause I play with a staff, but I almost never see ammo be a cause of w...
it very very rarely is
strange nova
wanted ta run a quick question by yas
pearl lion
Shoot biggun
strange nova
Tank yu. So's I'm tryin ta get the last penance for me oggy
olive ember
@gloomy yarrow prob the top two ones if you have the luxury of choosing but you are hoping for pinning fire 4 + blaze away 3
spice veldt
like I do not see a problem with ammo if you just use your melee most of the time
strange nova
buts i'm strugglin ta get 2 charges in during the 20 sec time limit
I was told ta talk to the spark'eads
spice veldt
even in your mutant dog example, they're all enemies that come close to you
gilded viper
Out of my 400 hour I only see ammo wipe us once and that was t5 hi with the special modifier cause we had no vet and was barley able to make progress in the map
olive ember
buts i'm strugglin ta get 2 charges in during the 20 sec time limit
Prob cuz we give CD refund
pearl lion
OH yeah we have a cooldown reduction talent
olive ember
It’s a bit weird tho
leaden thunder
the times I have wiped becuase no ammo
leaden thunder
it's not been becuase we didn't share it or anything
normally it's becuase the ai director is throwing hands
olive ember
15% CD refund to everyone in coherency whenever the psyker kills an elite
strange nova
O dats wild fren.
olive ember
So idk how useful it is for penance tho cuz you have to charge into our coherency range and then we kill elites
pearl lion
Honestly though, yesterday I had a particularly bad game where I died twice where it was very avoidable if my team had been more competent. While I was dead I spectated and watched a vet almost exclusively use their plasma gun and extremely poorly at that
spice veldt
I have never had a problem with killing dogs once I smacked them unless I had another priority to focus on
pearl lion
Basically the only time I saw them melee was when there were like 3 or less enemies
Otherwise it was plasma or grenades
And they were bad at being an elite killer too
So its not just loadout, its about the player
olive ember
All I’m saying is that the game provides enough ammo that it shouldn’t be a problem unless someone on the team is using it inefficiently
spice veldt
most melee have a good enough damage to either one-shot or two-shot them unless you're only using lights
pearl lion
All I’m saying is that the game provides enough ammo that it shouldn’t be a prob...
Yeah, this.
I exclusively play pugs and I still almost never see this problem
If you're worried about ammo efficiency and it keeps becoming an issue, use an efficient gun like a XII
olive ember
I’ve had the problem before but that probably was because I was trying out the shotgun on vet and the other vet was running a bolter not rly well
spice veldt
player issue
olive ember
Eh I just find shredder on psyker runs reasonably well, just that they gotta use it properly
Namely elite and mid range shooter killing
gilded viper
Shredder don't eat too much ammo tbh, better then recon
olive ember
Damn
spice veldt
it's the player's issue that they're not playing around the ammo economy of their weapon
leaden thunder
<@&735928989146939404>
olive ember
Here we go again
lament glen
he gone
leaden thunder
ty
pearl lion
EVERYONE I PLAY WITH IS BAD, IVE BLOCKED SO MANY PEOPLE THAT IM RUNNING OUT OF BLOCKS
WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT MIGHT BE ME
gilded viper
Tbh u the one crying since u came here, ask for any gun psyker then start complaining
olive ember
Was that his first time?
leaden thunder
he's gone
gilded viper
Oh it over
leaden thunder
gilded viper
Thx God
olive ember
Cuz I’m psure it wasn’t
spice veldt
that didn't take long to make him angry
pearl lion
Imagine constantly having bad experiences in a team game, no one else having that experience and then not having the self awareness to wonder if you're the problem
gilded viper
Can't believe he made fun of my pfp to prove his argument, , actual child behavior
leaden thunder
I saw him saying something bad coming after he did that and started calling people brainlet
olive ember
Ain’t his first time psure but can’t tell anymore
lament glen
dont be afraid to summon the mods the minute somebody breaks rule 1
olive ember
I got locked up for a day for talking about politics sadge
pearl lion
Yeah I actually saw the pfp and thought to myself "I'm pretty sure this guy is awful"
gilded viper
Noted, wasn't sure if I should had earlier after I ask him to stop saying that
pearl lion
Read the tone of his posts and kind of just HEEERE WE GO
The banned guy, not you tekuki
pearl lion
Since crafting I've found Heresy very manageable
gilded viper
No I mean like getting a mod after asking the dude to stop saying brainlet, unless I'm wording this bad
pearl lion
Yeah, I tried it once and it seemed fine
leaden thunder
malice to heresy is the biggest jump imo
olive ember
Idk what crosses the line normally so I just only go up to dumbass
gilded viper
Normal damn is pretty chill ngl
pearl lion
Except I had some awful australian blame me for the run wiping
pearl lion
Which like, I've played this game enough to know it wasn't the case
leaden thunder
even when it was actually my fault
pearl lion
He had been taking weird digs at me a few times earlier
leaden thunder
like I got dropped into hi int shocktrooper damnation
and blew myself up at a bad time
olive ember
Idk some communities desensitize and distort the weight of some words
leaden thunder
and I think that cuased us to lose
pearl lion
I wondered if maybe they were playing a premade and just decided to be awful to the pug
gilded viper
Had it once, but the guy was an asshole round start so it didn't matter
olive ember
Been in csgo communities that just casually use the n word, the f word and the rword casually
leaden thunder
i've only experienced actualy toxicity once
and it was like
idk one guy I think was rping
but he was rping as an asshole
so idk
olive ember
I had a couple runs with toxic people but eh
leaden thunder
it def wasn't his normal voice he was talking in
safe crystal
I've only had one toxic person, but it might've been because i blew him off the map twice with a barrel
pearl lion
When we died it was to a horde where we had three of them guarding one entrance and me taking the other. One went down, I ignored it, two went down I turned around and tried to get in there and then the third went down, then me
He was like "Unreal, tunnel vision much?"
safe crystal
Who knows
leaden thunder
I think he was like, rping as the loner psyker
olive ember
Epic pog voice changer
gilded viper
Everytime I blow up people just say "how does that happen on gun psyker"
olive ember
Idk why when someone mentions using a voice changer catfishing is the first thing that comes to mind
leaden thunder
olive ember
I blame a csgo community I was in
leaden thunder
I was on my ogryn when this happened
pearl lion
Everytime I blow up people just say "how does that happen on gun psyker" <a:dies...
BB is a helluva drug
olive ember
There was this huge conspiracy that someone on their was a guy using a voice changer to try and catfish people
leaden thunder
and I thought about telling him to shut the hell up, becuase the other person clearly didn't realize he wasn't serious
gilded viper
BB is a helluva drug
KB + BB do be like that sometimes
olive ember
And then there was another COUNTER conspiracy that it was a girl pretending to be a guy with a voice changer so they didn’t think they were a girl
So yeah
Csgo communities
An experience
leaden thunder
valve game moment
pearl lion
i would have killed for this prior to update
Id grab it anyway, it'll probably get buffed/the other swords nerfed to bring them all in line
leaden thunder
been cussed out in multiple languages when I played dota
portueges, russian and arabic
gilded viper
Valorant community ain't better but since riot allow u to ban toxic people it a bit calmer
spice veldt
mr world wide
leaden thunder
this is the na server as well
olive ember
My toxicity dial goes up to 11 whenever I play csgo
leaden thunder
so I was very supprised by the arabic time
one of my friends I play with is middle eastern so he basically translated the toxicity
wide tiger
middle eastern*
spice veldt
how very nice of him
wide tiger
I once saw a guy break into a car
and called the cops
and said yeah some guy.. Arabic descent, pretty fat
the police guy on the phone was like
Arab is a religion not a race
Corrected me good
felt like a fool
LIKE A FOOL
olive ember
I had a guy cuss out my friend in romanized Chinese
gilded viper
Arab is a religion not a race
Wait it not
olive ember
And then another Chinese guy told the first guy to use real Chinese or stfu
gilded viper
olive ember
It was 10/10
wide tiger
Well i was think of arabian nights
Cause thats definitely talking about a place i thought
but whatever
olive ember
Arab is a religion?
pearl lion
This is one of the reasons I don't really play competitive games
wide tiger
Arabic is what i was told, Idk
leaden thunder
arabic is the language
pearl lion
I think Skaleek was making a joke
wide tiger
OMFG IM NOT A RACIST
gilded viper
Oh
wide tiger
wasnt a joke police officer corrected me and everything
pearl lion
Arabs are a people, they are Arabic. The most common religion in Arabian countries is Islam
olive ember
You American? @wide tiger
pearl lion
Muslim -> Islam
wide tiger
No
pearl lion
If you said Muslim descent then yeah you got it wrong
olive ember
Oh I was gonna say if you American
If the officer says the sky is red
Then the sky is red
wide tiger
Yeah you dont argue with police
Im Canadian but same deal
this was like 15 years ago my memory is hazey
LOOKS LIKE I GOT IT WRONG TWICE
Happy to make a fool of myself for you all here
calm sapphire
Is wildfire good with purgatus staff?
wide tiger
Lets talk about wildfire guys
olive ember
Nope
There’s a hidden cap or wte that makes it so that it only transfers to mobs with less than 4 stacks or wte
gilded viper
Think wildfire will pair well with WnR (being serious)
olive ember
Idr I don’t use it kekw
leaden thunder
spice veldt
i think the wording is that you can't apply more stacks than the original target had
rare furnace
Is that nerf on occasions?
olive ember
It says “transfers up to 4 stacks to surrounding enemies” or some shit
The question is
safe crystal
Whatever you're blasting with purgatus will have more stacks than wildfire can transfer, so it doesnt work great with it
olive ember
Does that mean transfers up to 4 at a time
Or transfers to max 4 stacks on the enemies around them
spice veldt
the wording doesn't really imply that it doesn't apply a stack once the target already has 4 or more stacks
wide tiger
if i understand it correctly it randomly distributes 4 of their soulblaze to enemies around the target, not to exceed on the new target what the current target had
so like 1 here 1 there 2 here
spice veldt
is this a fatshark description moment or is it bugged 🤔
olive ember
But someone mentioned that it can only stack up to 4 and it’s hidden
olive ember
Idk unless someone wants to code dump
lethal folio
The description is crap.
wide tiger
if a mob dies with 12 stacks, and a nearby enemy has 7
it can still give them 4 up to 11, i believe
lethal folio
Non
spice veldt
hmm so shitty description and not a bug
gilded viper
I'm so confused
blazing oak
I love the immersive psyker gameplay of not knowing what my warp powers are doing
lethal folio
There is no way to know which is intended, the description or what it actually does.
olive ember
I love the immersive psyker gameplay of not knowing what my warp powers are doin...
Very immersive
wide tiger
Pretty hard to test
umbral jetty
can you just put the crusher next to a reaper, and flame the reaper, then also flame the crusher towards end, see if it gets more stacks?
spice veldt
i spawned a single poxwalker and burnt like 10 mutants down, and it could only get 4 stacks
lethal folio
Unless the code is written something absolutely stupid, believe the description is what it is meant to do.
olive ember
If it’s bugged
rare furnace
I JUST CUT MUTANT IN HALF WITH ILLISI HOLYYYY MOLY
gilded viper
olive ember
I JUST CUT MUTANT IN HALF WITH ILLISI HOLYYYY MOLY
Psykers finally got a psword side grade
pearl lion
My favourite thing to do with mutants is charge a psword/fsword/thammer special and stand just around the edge of a a door way and bonk them as they run through
rare furnace
I DO THE SAME
blazing oak
Meanwhile I get carried through enemy spawn doors by mutants
pearl lion
It is very grim knowing that I'm basically cursed to never be able to time dodging mutants and dogs right
Cause lag
spice veldt
I have a habit of avoiding certain map sections just to avoid getting stuck in spawn doors
pearl lion
Ive lost count of the amount of times I've watched them go past me and then I go down
The downside of being in NZ I guess
pearl lion
Yeah I'm sure I'll get the hang of it one day
spice veldt
helps to have the ping monitor mod
olive ember
That’s how people did it on csgo
pearl lion
It will never feel right though
olive ember
There’s a gamemode where you dodge lasers and yeah
300 ping moment
They dodged the shit like a second early
pearl lion
Im still kind of mad that FS went dedicated servers and this is the result
olive ember
Like where you are supposed to jump over the laser they would jump early and like land in the laser
But that’s how they compensated for 200 ping
hollow current
when you make it to the end of a hi-shock assassination and the other players tunnel vision on the cap, getting downed by hordes and letting the shooters spray them in the back
blazing oak
Can’t say I can relate
olive ember
when you make it to the end of a hi-shock assassination and the other players tu...
Didn’t bring a purge staff?
hollow current
Trauma 🎇
pearl lion
Did they change toughness generation recently? I've been feeling like I've been having trouble maintaining it. Or is it just that we have good melee now and I'm not getting as many force based kills triggering the talent
olive ember
Rly? Every one said psyker is super easy to regen toughness now
Tho it’s mostly cuz high peril gain + high quell speed + Quietitude
pearl lion
Yeah OK it's just me using melee more
lethal lagoon
Yeah, quell got a huge buff. But if you don't use quietitude then it's not noticable lmao.
pearl lion
And yeah I've heard I should switch to quietude
still hearth
So you don't get the 10% from it
pearl lion
I dont use warp absorb so it's not that
lethal lagoon
I'm basically a melee psyker now cause of Illy. It's wonderful.
still hearth
Warp Absorption is 10% toughness per kill on warp effects.
Which apparently doesn't work on Illisi special
But it does work on Soulblaze which it didn't(?) before
pearl lion
Ah right, I don't think that's what's causing the issue, but good to know
still hearth
Other than that toughness is the same as before
pearl lion
I think its just that I'm in melee more and void striking less
ornate hamlet
i was disappointed to see illisi didnt work
pearl lion
It's probably also that illisi has made me feel so stronk that I'm getting overconfident haha
lethal lagoon
The deflect bug pls Illy makes me forget I'm a squishy psyker sometimes.
spice veldt
i dodge-slide while fighting melee enemies when I'm getting shot at by ranged
olive ember
Psyker is super tanky until they actually get hit
The definition of a dodge tank rly
rare furnace
The psyker psykering
Yeah I fell like a wall cleaving all monsters untill one hits me
lethal lagoon
Psyker finally feeling like the glass cannon it was supposed to be on release.