not get hit?
#psyker-class
cyan notch
still hearth
For trolling newbies
Not running Revive Speed, Sniper Resistance and 2x Gunner Resistance, 1x Stamina Regen
Is basically throwing
idle bay
I know it's nearly impossible to get combo. Wasted tens of thousands plasteel to roll my 3 current ones
cyan notch
i want 21% health + health + toughness + toughness regen
but curios are impossible to get
umbral jetty
is it worth running %chance to get a curio lol
still hearth
It supposedly doesn't work properly atm
umbral jetty
I bet its like "increases base chance by 15%". so your 5% becomes 6% or something
cyan notch
waiting for fatshart to change it so we only get 1 lockout on curios
idle bay
but curios are impossible to get
At some point i stashed few dozens of curios with decent health + desired perk combo... and the i started upgrading them to get 2nd perk. 90% ended up with + Experience or + Dockets or + weapons/Curio chance
21% health green curios always get + Experience or + Dockets or + weapons/Curio chance on first upgrade. ALWAYS!
leaden thunder
idle bay
All crafting system is badly designed slot machine that does not have a dopamine kickback
leaden thunder
i want 21% health + health + toughness + toughness regen
this is basically what I want
execpt like
2 of them as toughness curios
maybe 1
i'd have to see how much 15% extra toughness puts me at
I find I don't get shot by gunners or snipers enough to make it worth while
idle bay
If Fatshark made all crafting like a gambling system, then they should at least spice it up a bit to keep player entertained while he pulls the lever
leaden thunder
at least on psyker
cyan notch
yea i havent taken health damage from shotgunners since the patch
mostly snipers are the issue now
spice veldt
I can finally run into a group of 5 shotgunners woohoo
cyan notch
they also fire much slower now
idle bay
Seeing "Dwarf Level 30 Tier 2 Skill Invincibility" in Darktide bugs forums section....
leaden thunder
idle bay
First thought - are we getting a squat reject ? 🙂
And then realisation kicks in - he just posted in wrong section 🙂
cyan notch
3 ogryn 1 dwarf
leaden thunder
dwarf is just small bone 'ead
idle bay
Extra protective of lil'un
leaden thunder
show ogryn how to rock and stone
idle bay
Yeah squat will boss around all those orgyns 🙂
And being depress that there is nothing to dig
And that there is no beer in mess hall
And ration tasted like corpse
And depressed about hardass Hadron ruining his best pick-axe with her "Improvements"
And naturally mentioning his cousin impossible heroic deeds.
fresh reef
4 psykers is a very fun experience
feral verge
check this out
fresh reef
hells yea
halcyon creek
Skill issue
fresh reef
how in the everloving fuck is your teamwork score at 321
feral verge
im just that good
fresh reef
what caused this lmao, never seen it go above 150
feral verge
skill issue
fresh reef
clearly
your defense score is also lower for you
were you lagging at some point and it caused it to skip a few points maybe?
still hearth
Two people disconnecting
Fucks up the values
Scoreboard is noteable to fuck up a lot
icy hare
got unyielding and carapace on my purg staff atm, which should i ditch for crit? ditch unyielding?
feral verge
yeah, i was starting to think it was because i joined mid game
feral verge
got unyielding and carapace on my purg staff atm, which should i ditch for crit?...
carapace no good
ditch it for crit
still hearth
Unarmored is so unworth
feral verge
but carapace is the worst of the two
feral verge
i like unarmored so i can kill them quicker, to get more stacks of warp charges
icy hare
and for blessings, atm i've got rank 4 terrifying barrage and rank 2 focused channelling. ditch focused channelling for warp nexus when i get it?
still hearth
Unyielding is also very few enemies.
No
Terrifying is useless
It procs around you and you're not often within 8m of shooters
feral verge
its useless on purga
still hearth
And not flaming them already
cyan notch
helps u not get backstabbed by zombos
still hearth
Only groaners
cyan notch
if thats a thing u get hit by
still hearth
Every other melee enemy doesn't care
icy hare
hmmm alright, so keep the focused channelling? is that remotely good or should i fish for a diff staff?
the blessings seem kinda shitty on purg anyway
ember hornet
I've never liked terrifying or hit and run or ghost
pretty sure you want crit blessing
for more burn stacks
cyan notch
i like focused channeling
ember hornet
faster
feral verge
you want these on purg
still hearth
Nexus + Flurry is probably best. Focus Channeling is also good.
But you can also just run Nexus
And spam short bursts
I don't think Flurry actually makes a big difference on Purg
It saves peril
icy hare
ok cool thanks for the advice
ember hornet
purg could definitely use a cooler blessing
still hearth
Wildfire should be a blessing
ember hornet
much like all the staffs
still hearth
And stronger
icy hare
still pretty new to psyker and i feel like there are so many newbie traps in this, hard to know what's good sometimes
ember hornet
there are a ton of noob traps in DT
basically if you want to know how something actually works then ask here or look for pinned guides
still hearth
Even things that seem great is somethings shit
And things that seem shit is sometimes great
quasi pier
And then there's things that say %power
icy hare
eviscerator seemed so awesome while leveling, but just too damn slow
spice veldt
devil's claw with savage Sweep and rampage performing the same as a force sword with just slaughterer
ember hornet
?????????
still hearth
Wdym the same
ember hornet
not possible
still hearth
Explain this insanity
spice veldt
if you just add up the net damage they do, it comes out at identical numbers
spice veldt
1.3k or something net damage
icy hare
for mk 5 force sword, i want flak/maniac, slaughterer and something else, right?
ember hornet
a devils claw with rampage is no better than a vet shovel
spice veldt
force sword not psword
still hearth
Ahh
spice veldt
force sword heavies vs devil claw heavies
that's also only considering bodysuit damage
and ignoring the higher weakspot bonus on force swords
and the damage dealt by devil claws is spread across way more enemies compared to the force sword
10/10
still hearth
The Illisi deals 2x the infinite cleave damage unpowered than the Claw does
With Rampage vs Slaughterer
ember hornet
ember hornet
which is rarely useful tbh
still hearth
And laugh
viral solstice
ye savage sweep will get u out there if ur hitting specifically like
24 poxwalkers
viral solstice
weirdly the devil claw actually gets got coming and going there
still hearth
And then Heavy Sword comes in
viral solstice
because it has good finesse bonus
still hearth
And does 200 damage to 20 enemies per swing
ember hornet
oh geez the flak numbers on claw are horrible
viral solstice
say it aint so
just wait until u see carapace
actually
just wait until u see unyielding too
the dc4 ideal loop vs unyielding involves light 3 iirc
u go h1 h2 l3 h2 l3 h2 forever
because l3 is the weird strikedown light that looks the same as the others
ember hornet
so basically it only does damage to poxwalkers and groaners?
viral solstice
but does triple unyielding damage
ember hornet
and maybe unarmored
viral solstice
but still is bad of course
maniac and infested damage
both good out the box
the catch there is ur not comparing to other weapons out the box
but yeah a grey devil claw does solid vs a mutant eg
ember hornet
yeah....
viral solstice
but ye u got simple heavies with nice hitboxes and headshot prio
ember hornet
wtf is fatsharks maniac scaling
viral solstice
so this is dc4 h1 vs a mutant
and u will probs hit that head but even if u dont its not too bad
thats hs IX strikedown heavy vs the mutant
and u can see that like, if u were balancing these weapons
u would be like "oh thats a notable improvement" right
its just...
viral solstice
well again
that diff isnt what u would expect
eg
hs IX strikedown heavy vs a scab gunner
ember hornet
that's just so bad wow
viral solstice
dc 4 stikedown heavy vs a scab gunner
on paper not that diff right
its just......
ember hornet
but add a billion power and damage
viral solstice
indeed
and the special loop
and the lights that hit 7.5 mass out the box to deal with stuff around it on top, etc etc
ember hornet
claw gets a whopping 20% damage
hsword gets like 170% or something ridiculous
maybe 160
somewhere around there
viral solstice
theres also just that heavy sword light attacks are simply better
for all purposes
viral solstice
i mean its not even the cleave
umbral jetty
So to finish this staff I just need to find a warp flurry?
viral solstice
just take any category
lethal folio
IV claw sneaks a crappy strikedown in the light chain.
viral solstice
nono the strikedown isnt crappy, because its ur best unyielding loop
because the l3 loops back to h2
so u chain h2 l3 forever
woweee
ember hornet
So to finish this staff I just need to find a warp flurry?
I think so
viral solstice
this is a 3.6 light vs a 7.5 light btw
lethal folio
And half mass
viral solstice
but yeah its just like, the idea behind the devil claws was that they would be good vs flesh - maniacs, infested - suffer vs armour but have some duellist utility to make up for it
but it turns out they were so outclassed by everything else that nobody was talking about buffing them
ember hornet
it's just none of the values make sense
viral solstice
literally every class had alternatives that were better, and so the better alternatives got the buff focus
like heavy swords, etc
ember hornet
yeah
ember hornet
did you see what MainerZ posted? potentially a patch tomorrow
viral solstice
every single thing here other than perfect strike arguably is usable
ember hornet
with possible hammer special changes being alluded to
viral solstice
this is the devil claw blessing pool
viral solstice
we do a lil oofing
hammerblow, thunderstrike, vicious slice, trauma
so many options
lethal folio
Imagine if claw had the finesse of forceswords.
viral solstice
i mean it wouldnt actually make that much difference
lethal folio
I don't think even that would help
viral solstice
ur lights have 3.5 cleave and shitty hitboxes
u get 75% power
ur lights now cleave 5-6 mass
u boosted the damage on that 4th target up to idk 20
25
spice veldt
+damage also doesn't boost crit/weakspot right
still hearth
At least then it has a use
ember hornet
L1 on scab shooters
still hearth
It does
spice veldt
oh
viral solstice
its generic damage
viral solstice
but weakspot finesse damage is irrelevant on cleaves
spice veldt
so the claw just has a shittier multiplier than force swords
viral solstice
on that fourth target the normal hit is 8.8 the CRIT WEAKSPOT is 11.1
umbral jetty
Does the level of charge on the Purge staff impact more than just the duration of the flame?
still hearth
No
lethal folio
Only weird stuff like sustained fire ignores finesse.
viral solstice
well its where they have additive bonuses that they felt went into special buckets
ember hornet
special shit buckets
viral solstice
so raking fire (backstab damage, only instance ive found), flanking damage (this doesnt exist), the named weakspot/crit/crit weakspot damage (jesus christ why does precog work like this), and then some of the %damage bonuses on targets specifically
like target-specific effects
Tend to be in these weird additive buckets
still hearth
The fact that crit & weakspot damage
Isn't the same as crit & weakspot damage
Is my favorite thing
viral solstice
ye but vanessa consider the following
if u get a crit weakspot and u have precog up, th at gives u weakspot and crit damage
it would be double dipping if u got that bonus twice
ur 6% crit damage and weakspot bonus gets turned into a 6% crit weakspot bonus
still hearth
That's true
viral solstice
and u will be thankful
viral solstice
stay mad hater
but yes the funny thing is
the finesse multi on force swords being so high is, im pretty sure, a balancing mechanic
the idea is they wanted to give force swords archetypically juiced single target
and much less good but not dogshit cleave
so they go "ok theyre finesse weapons"
ember hornet
I think whoever wrote the scaling for crit and weakspot damage perks/blessings forgot how the calculation worked
viral solstice
👍
cool
but then they also did the same thing with devil claws and just made the falloff absolutely fucking stupid
still hearth
10% crit damage is good because it happens on every enemy, Lazor.
Just crit
All the time
And you do
3-4% more damage
viral solstice
the other thing about devil claws
still hearth
Like how do you even balance this system
viral solstice
and i hadn't appreciated how fucked this is
still hearth
Its so unintuitive
viral solstice
the devil claws were definitely made very early on
viral solstice
have u ever compared the models?
ember hornet
every time I see a god roll weapon with crit or weakspot perk I die a little inside
spice veldt
is there something wrong with them
still hearth
At 50% crit damage Knives would actually run crit hard
spice veldt
o no
viral solstice
all i will say is
u know how sometimes u see a weapon
and u know that they were like
"we fucked some shit on this weapon because it has this one, strong feature"
ember hornet
cough hammer
viral solstice
here is the light profile of the mk 1 devil claw
now u might be looking at this and thinking
DAMN boi
i get TWO sweep heavies?
spice veldt
:D
viral solstice
u telling me i can just heavy thru hordes and do no cancels? no thinking? no nothing?
so the weapon is just strictly a worse dc4 in every other way and has no upsides?
correct
those 2 heavies btw
are clones of each other
with diff anims
fair kayak
I used to love the Devilclaw Sword
viral solstice
the push, parry etc are absolutely identical to the 4
spice veldt
dc4 is the one with the 1st diagonal heavy right
fair kayak
Ilisi is my new best freind
viral solstice
the lights are identical, including the 3rd single target one (the animations are a little diff), but u dont get the fourth one
dc4s first heavy is just a strikedown followed by a horizontal cleave
its real basic bitch hours
umbral jetty
After playing zealot for a bit, the purge staff feels pretty good
viral solstice
and then on VII they went spicy
VII has its single target heavy second instead of first, but ur push attack is now single target (consolation). but u still have the same lights and parry as the dc1
there u go, full list of differences
umbral jetty
Ascendent blaze is worded such that it implies the target must die to soulbaze to give the 10% chance for the warp charge. is that accurate?
or is it just a target with soulblaze dying
spice veldt
latter, at least when tested in the meatgrinder
still hearth
If you kill it while it has soulblaze you get a stack.
We haven't confirmed 100% if someone else kills it it works.
But it'd be weird if it didn't work.
You get a chance for a stack*
umbral jetty
Trying to gauge whether I can greed taking off Psychic communion
fresh reef
hi intensity shock troop is fucking rough
summer prairie
You can even get a stack if the soulblaze stack expires and you kill within 1s of that
fresh reef
got ressed into instantly getting sniped twice, and then they bombed my freshly rescued corpse for good measure
still hearth
I've never had issues on Purgatus + AB on Damnation
There's just so much stuff dying
If you kill 20 enemies the chance you'll get a stack is about 90%
And there's a lot more than 20 enemies per horde
60% chance to get 2 stacks. 32.3% to get 3 stacks.
You'd need some insanely bad luck to run out of stacks
fresh reef
interesting
spice veldt
it shoots out a follow-up shot
still hearth
If you run it with Nexus it gives you like a 60% damage boost on average
Assuming it doesn't just hit nothing because you killed the thing
summer prairie
technically it might have competitive dps but you are going to waste the extra dps more frequently and dealing with fewer targets and shooters is more annoying
fresh reef
well, lucky me that I have t3 nexus already
still hearth
But Flurry and Transfer Peril is just so good
viral solstice
but yes i have a lil gift for the devil claw lovers
leaden thunder
viral solstice
u might go "well idk with savage sweeps and qq cancel sweep heavy spam might dc7 not pop off ?"
not just savage sweep but also devastating strike on this badboi
(if u wonder why those heavies rae being held so long, get a dc7 and try using the sweep heavy. u will discover something funny)
near wyvern
Unstable Power 4 and maniac 3. It can be done even at 2 warp charges but then peril must be 80%. I gotta start to leverage this shit more.
lethal folio
More fun stuff, Heavy swords don't have hold time on their blocks, so you can do free block cancelling unlike clawsword.
worldly chasm
Dunno if this is already well known, but PSA for you lovely trauma enjoyers - you can blast enemies behind their spawn doors with the secondary, this includes dirty little poxbursters, so no having to wait for them to come out if you know they're waiting
near wyvern
Dunno if this is already well known, but PSA for you lovely trauma enjoyers - yo...
this is even better if you have blazing spirit on it
spice veldt
poxbursters take 20x ish explosion danage
lethal folio
Poxbursters will die in two outer blasts easy.
spice veldt
so you can kill them with two fully charged blasts in the outer afea
worldly chasm
Indeed it takes two to kill them behind the door
fresh reef
Surge blessing seems really neat, but a little impractical because you can accidentally anim cancel the shots lol
near wyvern
PSA: Wildfire while sounding cool is actually very shit dps due to the hidden 4 stack max limit and the 2 stack treshold.
That is Wildfire cannot target enemies that have 5 or more stacks regardless of the stacks on the original target. In addition, 1 stack does not spread, you need a minimum of 2.
What this causes in practice is that you only get Wildfire effect when people die on the edges of the Soulblazed mob and it diminishes very quickly, not to talk about the abysmal damage 1 or 2 stacks do.
...
so we lost one useless feat and got another useless feat instead
still hearth
@uncut cradle Wildfire fix please? 
near wyvern
there is some minor benefit for generating warp charges with blazing spirit melee but even then, PC is more reliable for that
leaden thunder
is fire truama kill
summer prairie
it works fine with very specific setups
still hearth
I found it worked okay to farm stacks on Autopistol builds
cyan notch
i think its fine
still hearth
Set things on fire and then blast them with your gun
But that's not for the DPS
Just for the stacks
And then I ran Quicken with Flayer
umbral jetty
how have people felt about quicken? I've been enjoying it while using the trauma staff
still hearth
And had 4 charges all the time anyway
Quicken is fresh and fun
I think its still the worst option
But it has a niche now
umbral jetty
it hits the power fantasy at least. doing a 100 peril ult and knocking everything down
and being able to do that over and over
spice veldt
I still dislike quicken
I don't take communion and I refuse to BB trash just to guarantee having 4 stacks
still hearth
Aren't you running Flayer then
spice veldt
yup
fresh reef
spice veldt
i only like BBing elites/specials because the damage usually doesn't go to waste
still hearth
So just use the extra shout then flayer to get stacks back
umbral jetty
does warp battery hit any breakpoints for purge?
spice veldt
so aura is still fine to me
lucid olive
what do crits normally don on purg?
umbral jetty
oh, but you want for the ascendant blaze*
still hearth
what do crits normally don on purg?
You get an extra stack of soulblaze and more damage
ember hornet
I love having healthbars turned on so I can see how often people do damage to targets I am brainbursting
lucid olive
You get an extra stack of soulblaze and more damage
so does surge add an additional one to that?
umbral jetty
does psykinetic's aura impact teammates CDs? or just yours
still hearth
Purg can't get Surge
spice veldt
health bars are too much clutter for me
still hearth
Only Voidstrike and Trauma has the Surge blessing
spice veldt
does psykinetic's aura impact teammates CDs? or just yours
all allies in coherency get the CDR when YOU get the kill
ember hornet
I do think healthbars probably provide a bit of an advantage, but fuck it seeing the damage values in practice is so nice
how else am I supposed to see 17000 damage vs a daemonhost
umbral jetty
does wrack and ruin have any place? I figure it encourages BB gameplay which is boring. but sometimes when I am sniping specials I wonder if its nice
I guess it depends on the AoE
idle bay
health bars are too much clutter for me
There is a a hilarious thread on forums screeching on top of lungs that healthbars is cheating, and providing nonsesical arguments. Another Karen whants a tine bit of power 🙂
still hearth
@lethal folio likes Wrack and Ruin
umbral jetty
warp unleashed is so cozy.
lethal folio
Wrack has its uses.
cyan notch
healthbars do provide an advantage but its like whatever
ember hornet
There is a a hilarious thread on forums screeching on top of lungs that healthba...
um sliding ruins mah immersion
still hearth
It does let you kill the horde around Ogryn
still hearth
But I can already have so many ways to do that
lethal folio
Much harder to choose over buffed warp unleashed now.
ember hornet
I like big number
idle bay
um sliding ruins mah immersion
Level arguments provided - using better gaming chair than others = cheating 🙂
lethal folio
but if you have gun and high resist warp sword, it can be hard to generate enough peril.
umbral jetty
healthbars is just clutter. at end-game you learn breakpoints. I'd say let people have the info they want
ember hornet
it does tell me more specifically how much I need to charge something like hammer to kill a crusher or whatever
but whatever it's nice to see
cyan notch
for elites and up its useful
umbral jetty
if its tunable to turn it on only for certain enemies I'd probably turn it on
cyan notch
but for horde cmon aint nobody need 500 healthbars for that
idle bay
healthbars is just clutter. at end-game you learn breakpoints. I'd say let peopl...
It helps to keep track of elites in field of view disabled with flamer of purgatus 🙂 Or fining a Dog in a pack of zombies
ember hornet
if its tunable to turn it on only for certain enemies I'd probably turn it on
it is
ember hornet
I like seeing them when I run illisi
umbral jetty
My CPU is trash, so last time I tried to turn on mods I was getting my inputs eaten.
weak galleon
does Shred work on single target you are chain attacking, or just chaining attacks (be it light light light or heavy heavy) regardless if you change targets or not?
still hearth
Shred sticks as long as you keep hitting things
But if you don't hit things you lose all stacks
weak galleon
nice, ty.
feral verge
you lose shred if you miss, or block
idle bay
I like seeing them when I run illisi
There should be kill-counter mod that shows a number that taking more and more space on screen - showing a kill count for you 🙂 Must have for Illis
umbral jetty
I think they should change how effects like shred work... you shouldnt be punished for incorporating pushes/blocks into your attack pattern
umbral jetty
and its not even punished, its just choosing a different blessing
still hearth
ember hornet
I think they should change how effects like shred work... you shouldnt be punish...
meanwhile they buff brutal momentum
karmic copper
@umbral jetty yes. I didnt notice anyone repond to you. Flurry yes.
still hearth
But yeah so many blessings just have random end criteria
ember hornet
WHY WOULD THEY BUFF BM
umbral jetty
I just wish they decided on a power-scaling they want to encourage, and try to bring the bad blessings up to fit that
spice veldt
lmao BM buffed and devastating strike still in the grave
still hearth
Devastating Strike being nerfed
umbral jetty
Like. lets say slaughter and blaze away... lets make the other ones fun
ember hornet
no no, devastating strike was clearly too strong on chainsword
summer prairie
because Tyr posted a bug report about some blessings not refreshing
idle bay
Meanwhile Veteran gets buffs
Plasma gun is still meh.
summer prairie
not because they one day went "hmm, BM needs to be stronger"
ember hornet
they nerfed crit DS and then crit dr
I thank God every day for the crit DR nerf
still hearth
Plasma gun is still meh.
spice veldt
still funny that BM remains as it is whereas devastating strike is still gutted
idle bay
https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-no-one-cares-gif-18925814
Start worring when they buff it.
weak galleon
Shred not working on push attacks is a huge downturn then, for Mk5 axe.
ember hornet
yeah, I can't wait for BM to be nerfed tbh
still hearth
You don't want crits or push attacks on Antax
ember hornet
but I hope they change axe cleave at the same time
umbral jetty
I tried to make a crit Mk5 axe and realized that I wasted a shred 4 on it.
so it just sits
ember hornet
"fine"
still hearth
I mean compared to running power blessings
spice veldt
push-attacks on combat axes have a 3 target dmg cap btw
still hearth
umbral jetty
It just feels meh compared to bringing either a better MK5 or a heavy sword
spice veldt
you deal 0 damage to the 4th target and beyond
umbral jetty
and as far as crit weapons go, the taxe and combat knife feel good
still hearth
People kept telling me that push attack Antax was horde clear
I remember
Everyone said I was nuts
weak galleon
You don't want crits or push attacks on Antax
push attacks on mk5 axe?
it was meta before Kinetic Deflection nerf.
idle bay
So idk what you on about, bud
Imagine:
Fatshark massively buffs Plasma Gun
A lot of vet players starting using it
Exploding vets in each mission! 🙂
still hearth
It was meta because it was the safe way to play
ember hornet
antax and hsword, two of the best free weapons
still hearth
It isn't effective
spice veldt
people on reddit still talk about Antax push attacks
still hearth
compared to spamming light attacks
spice veldt
for fuckin hordeclear
weak galleon
It isn't effective
safe way literally means effective in vt2 and dt context.
spice veldt
wow you damaged 3 people
still hearth
You stagger anything with light attacks anyway
spice veldt
you might as well not take brutal momentum then
still hearth
The push attack was a crutch
ember hornet
lights are just as safe because of BM and BM only
still hearth
Yes
cyan notch
its helpful in a mixed horde
umbral jetty
evis needs some love
lethal folio
I accidentally took antax without a BM once.
ember hornet
it has a base cleave of 1.3 AND THEY GAVE IT INFINITE CLEAVE
spice veldt
push attacks are still useful but not in a hordeclear sense
still hearth
I ran a game with Rashad and wee woo
umbral jetty
I was trying yesterday to get evis to work.. but it feels so clunky in bad situations
still hearth
That's a hassle and a half
Evisc requires specific attacks and still isn't very rewarding
umbral jetty
2 shotting crushers is neat though
ember hornet
evis is just.... really really undertuned and slow
ember hornet
yeah you 2 shot crushers if you waste BOTH Fs
umbral jetty
my heavy sword isnt even ideal, but I just mow through everything. but no chainsaw. how that work FS
ember hornet
and charge after rev lands
viral solstice
push attacks on mk5 axe?
it was meta before Kinetic Deflection nerf.
btw it was meta because people didnt test it
weak galleon
btw it was meta because people didnt test it
elaborate?
viral solstice
antax 5 push attack clears like 33% slower than spamming shovel lights on a veteran shovel
it takes 20s+ to kill 20 poxwalkers
its one of the lowest possible damage outputs u can do
summer prairie
With a perfect roll and blessings psyker can kill 3 groaners with one antax push attack, I think
spice veldt
the kinetic deflection nerf didn't change anything meaningful against melee enemies
ember hornet
woo 3 groaners let's go
umbral jetty
chain weapons should have basekit lacerations 🙂
summer prairie
but then you have no BM
still hearth
Well you're a push machine
spice veldt
in fact it buffed push attacks because you don't get guardbroken anymore
cyan notch
it staggered everything that was the main draw
viral solstice
imagine if shit like just doing l1 h2 push on a force sword killed 2x as quickly and also gave u the stagger
spice veldt
imagine
ember hornet
imagine if you could kill 20 poxwalkers in 1 swing
umbral jetty
illisi?
spice veldt
imagine
still hearth
I don't think you can kill 3 groaners
cyan notch
imagine if shit like just doing l1 h2 push on a force sword killed 2x as quickly...
not crushers maulers ragers
still hearth
Per push attack
ember hornet
yeah illisi
lethal folio
Antax push does about 8 more total damage if you hit exactly 3 enemies.
still hearth
lethal folio
And that is all I can say for it damage wise.
karmic copper
@weak galleon you can actually see the buff now in the meat grinder. You can see it reds out or greys out depending what you do. If you push attack, push, block cancel etc.. OR MISS A SWING. It is very informative acrually. All of those odd blessings can br tested by anyone WITHOUT mods now in the psykanium
summer prairie
I think I double counted, but headtaker+limbsplitter is what you would want with push attack spam
spice veldt
too lazy to get out of my bed to post my push attack vs light demonstration
still hearth
You can also get 20% power from All or Nothing now
summer prairie
Can you
ember hornet
20% power isn't changing anything on the damage above
viral solstice
not crushers maulers ragers
just wait until ppl find out about the push attack on the force sword then
summer prairie
it's not
still hearth
Not accounting feats
cyan notch
just wait until ppl find out about the push attack on the force sword then
single target unlike unlimited target on bm antax push attack
still hearth
Or warp charges
spice veldt
and you still need to rely on the luck of the draw for those three damage hits to actually target the rager/maulers inside the horde
summer prairie
push attack with no attack, amazing
still hearth
If you have 100% peril you can one-shot 3 groaners
viral solstice
single target unlike unlimited target on bm antax push attack
its not unlimited
still hearth
But also you have your melee out
viral solstice
??
still hearth
ember hornet
why would you push attack when you could lmb spam
spice veldt
I don't dispute that the push-attack can control them, but you are not doing much to a mixed horde with push-attacks
it's still only 3 targets damaged
alright I'm getting out of my bed
ember hornet
what is psykers min antax cleave damage with BM, like 50?
still hearth
If you have all the possible boosts you can do 107 min damage
But that requires 6 stacks and 100% peril
And Unarmored damage
And Headtaker + Decimate
Which isn't giving you cleave
ember hornet
hard to stay at max peril with an antax tho
ember hornet
I guess peril block
viral solstice
and blocking should keep u high no
still hearth
The most reasonable base is 82.9 min damage
viral solstice
ye
lethal folio
Blocking = not attack = silly.
ember hornet
but why would I peril block when I could have 33% toughness DR on a force sword
still hearth
Which is Decimator T4, BM, +25% Unarmored, 6 stacks and WU at 0% peril
ember hornet
and spam slide
cyan notch
resses
still hearth
I don't save people anyway
ember hornet
it's literally just rezzes
viral solstice
its specifically reses in situations where the res would be impossible with just say 1 3stam curio
which is a pretty niche subset
ember hornet
yeah
cyan notch
nobody is taking a 3 stam curio
cyan notch
ur a nerd
ember hornet
why not take a 3 stam curio
still hearth
Tru
viral solstice
u will find that advice on this very discord
spice veldt
who fuckin takes stamina curios with kinetic deflection
lethal folio
People who want to run and avoid guns
hybrid solstice
BM + Dec or BM + Headtaker on Antax?
viral solstice
who fuckin takes stamina curios with kinetic deflection
ahem
still hearth
who fuckin takes stamina curios with kinetic deflection
Literally gives me insane block reduction wdym
viral solstice
lethal folio
viral solstice
sorry that one was too easy
spice veldt
fake news
cyan notch
fs block cost is notoriously shit so if ur just using default stam and u do a push maybe a sprint and u cant block anything
spice veldt
hehe
ember hornet
GOTTEM
spice veldt
taking stamina curios specifically for peril is still bad
also i'm surprised you found that so quickly
viral solstice
i remembered u had said it because i thought at the time "chad choice"
spice veldt
lmao
spice veldt
that was when i was in my gremlin phase
until i realized that sprint efficiency existed
spice veldt
speff
lethal folio
I also want to keep stamina sprint speed which is tough when your base stamina is only 1.
ember hornet
I think we all had a gremlin phase
I used to run sna + momentum on hammer with a flamer
lol
spice veldt
yeah I have no problems with taking stamina curios with kinetic deflection beyond reasons for blocking
ember hornet
pre power buff
spice veldt
but if you take it specifically for blocking
spice veldt
am still gremlin
cyan notch
it was good for ressing under heavy fire
lethal folio
I have a longheld vermintide mentality that blocking anything is a waste.
spice veldt
except in specific scenarios
but yeah
pushing is just better
or dodging
i just need to click my RMB and LMB in shorter intervals to avoid getting hit when I'm trying to input a push
viral solstice
its like in mad max fury road
spice veldt
i fucked my muscle memory from when I used to use my ring finger for RMB and I still need to fix that
summer prairie
even in v2 you still mostly ran bcr for ressing
shy prairie
what's the 411 on mkv with bloodthirsty
aware that slaughterer/unstable is more practical
vagrant hollow
guys can you give me tip which talents I should play with surge staff? 🤔
cyan notch
blocking obviously has its uses even in vt2
spice veldt
i personally don't consider it particularly good when unstable power exists, but bloodthirsty isni't totally neglible
fresh reef
emperor has gifted me a t4 Decapitator
woo
spice veldt
I just don't like bloodthirsty because it only affects the next attack now
viral solstice
blocking had more uses in vt2 because at least there was like... the parry mechanic and i guess PLAUGE MONKS and arguably stuff like shade stealth
cyan notch
or idk like half the bosses
shy prairie
mhm, but charged into heavy followed by light is all horizontal
lethal folio
Bloodthirsty if you aren't confident you will hit heads.
viral solstice
but in darktide they dont even give u those incentives
bloodthirsty if u wanna thirst
near wyvern
aware that slaughterer/unstable is more practical
Who says you can't run bloodthirsty with unstable/slaughterer
viral solstice
triple blessing
cyan notch
try to not block vs minotaur or nurgloth
viral solstice
maximum heretic slaying
umbral jetty
easiest way to get the fall damage penance? 7 targets thing
shy prairie
Simply too true, just find the secret toaster pickup in one of the levels and give it to Hadron
unlocks 380+ power base and the third blessing
near wyvern
I just want OFS and DFS to give a fucking warp charge on special kill. That would be such a nice way to enable melee playstyle but it would break Quicken obviously.
lethal folio
Pull any horde near a ledge and then circle dodge it.
spice veldt
illisi has a true horizontal for its 1st heavy so you're going to be hitting heads most of the time
and crits have reduced bonus if you're already hitting a weakspot
fresh reef
the spice (except not really)
viral solstice
its spice
spice veldt
and unstable power boosts all attacks instead of just the next attack after a special kill
shy prairie
truth be told, what's the point of having a very high cleave special ability if you don't aim for the waist so they get bisected
fresh reef
high warp res tho
spice veldt
and the extra power makes it a little faster to reach the threshold where your pushes begin to throw groaners/poxwalkers to heaven
shy prairie
in my free time on the mourningstar, i can listen to nothing but "entering throneside"
criminal in it's usage ingame
spice veldt
does anyone know the stagger threshold off the top of their head to break dreg ragers out of their combos
viral solstice
its a little bit complex because it depends on things like whether or not what ur using has stagger reduction ignore or not
spice veldt
oh damn
viral solstice
and theres also a thing where stagger builds up
and drains from a pool
but i can probs dig up the number
spice veldt
was just wondering the exact power% I would need for force sword heavies to begin staggering dreg ragers if it's even possible
ember hornet
it's kinda funny that low warp res on force swords is just better
cyan notch
the spice (except not really)
viral solstice
let the warp in
cyan notch
i already know hardon is gonna brick it
ember hornet
👀👀👀
cyan notch
ima do it anyway
ember hornet
rip
spice veldt
hmm nvm seems to be impossible to stagger ragers with FS sweeping heavies even with t4 unstable power and max t4 slaughterer stacks
also f sword
cyan notch
back to farming
viral solstice
spice veldt
wish the weapon sheet had values on the push-attacks and specials
hybrid solstice
mine is one roll away from seeing what is what
hybrid solstice
wait is that actually good on this sword
viral solstice
not really but uncanny is fun
spice veldt
uncanny is not that good on the force sword
viral solstice
its a nice idea
hybrid solstice
that's what i thought yeah
spice veldt
woe that it deals 100% against every armour type except carapace on heavies
cyan notch
yours is so close to greatness but you have to god roll the last blessing
hybrid solstice
alas i blew my resources on silliness and havent had time to run a few quick damnations to upgrade
hybrid solstice
erm
yeah true
idle bay
u didnt blow those resources
It's Hadron who blew those resources on Mechincum's equivalent of cocaine and hookers.
And we investing in Hadron's fun
Probably WD-40 and toasters
lethal folio
Uncanny force sword is for light attacks in to mixed hordes.
viral solstice
well i mean this is an illisi
karmic copper
@cyan notch that illi at 10:17 fuuu
lethal folio
Good for deimos and obscurus, even buckets die to light slashes with uncanny.
viral solstice
if u see a mixed horde and ur first thought isnt "time to give my blade some love" and then warp splongle all over them with ur fwo0rd
then u need to return it
karmic copper
Oh im sorry i scrolled down more F
fallow meadow
How is wildfire? Seems nice on paper but can't feel much of the effect on the field.
karmic copper
Sorry for your loss. Youre girlfriend is antivax. My apologies
lethal folio
Wildfire looks pretty but does little.
feral verge
PSA: Wildfire while sounding cool is actually very shit dps due to the hidden 4 ...
@fallow meadow
sweet vault
what do you guys put on your curios? im running toughness atm, but im not sure its even helping all that much
karmic copper
@fallow meadow over and over people are commenting on hidden limiters like no stacks past 4 so anything with 5 or 6 wont spread etc
spice veldt
2 tough 1 stam
feral verge
what do you guys put on your curios? im running toughness atm, but im not sure i...
all hp
i dont recommend wounds
spice veldt
i hate ranged enemies and I usually recover my toughness before I get dinked in melee (if I'm playing normally)
viral solstice
imagine if it was 269
karmic copper
Sniper/gunner/revive speed, hp, ONE stam regen is recommended
sweet vault
psyker is my least played class out of the 4, and i feel like i just get absolutely shredded by ranged if im a bit out of position
spice veldt
dodge slide
i can stand in the open for hot moments with the trauma staff and dodge-sliding
karmic copper
@sweet vault yes i have 350hr only psyker and its ALWAYS shooters fucking me. Every. Single. Time
Ill get my spring interupted before i can slide to bridge the gap if im using short range, or im just hiding 100 feeet away void charges one mob at a time lol
spice veldt
keep in mind that running perpendicular to ranged enemies and dodging/sliding makes you unable to be hit by ranged enemies
sweet vault
gotta say, BB is ALOT more efficient on damnation now compared to when i ran damnation earlier
feels pretty good
karmic copper
The vent initiation is quicker, and the venting is quicker, so youre stuck less on the 100-97 period also for bb spammming in a bad situation
karmic copper
O no
I always love the emotes and shit. Im weekend warrior dad and have no idea how the fuck
Always makes me laugh. All this pepe stuff
shy prairie
thanks.. hadron..
viral solstice
well u have children i have emotes we both have achieved our goals
shy prairie
shy prairie
fresh from the forge, so blessed
karmic copper
@still hearth just tosses out memes all day and it makes my day. I read on break at work and at the gym and im always laughing st the shit
sweet vault
so this is the build i am running, but i have no idea what im doing, so i gotta ask how bad it is and what could be improved
viral solstice
i would believe it
shy prairie
t4 as well.
spice veldt
psyker feats are all pretty good imo
spice veldt
so it really doesn't matter what you run as long as it caters to your playstyle
e.g., I'll take your lunch money if you run warp absorption without running a staff, but it looks fine
I personally would prefer taking aura over lacerations, but that depends on how many elite/special kills you usually get
viral solstice
do u think sanctioned psykers are allowed pizza
does pizza exist
dida they lose the stc
rich rose
what feats are preferred for surge now?
fallow meadow
Thx lol. We lost a trash and get s new trash. So funny.
viral solstice
i mean realistically it doesnt really matter what u run with surge
its surge
go nuts
live ur dreams
spice veldt
i'd prob build around my melee or BB with surge
shy prairie
spice veldt
lmao
still hearth
<@123830341696880641> just tosses out memes all day and it makes my day. I read...
But I'm serious 
viral solstice
spice veldt
wow you got two t4 blessings :)'
viral solstice
maybe shes refroemd and will give me surge now
spice veldt
how very very fortunate of you
shy prairie
:)))
shy prairie
hexed sage
Are any of the new weapons a standout on psyker?
spice veldt
there's a general consensus that they're both better than the obscurus
viral solstice
both are gud but they also made doing psychic shit illegal and u get arrested now so it was a really mixed update
ember hornet
illisi is giga broken with slaughterer
deimos supposed to be super good for single target
hexed sage
illisi is giga broken with slaughterer
Is that the one with more horde clear patterns?
ember hornet
yeah
spice veldt
and a cleave special like the power sword
hexed sage
When I play surge I feel like I'm missing some horde clear so maybe it could be a nice combo
spice veldt
with almost the exact same cleave distribution
albeit with slightly lower damage on the lower end and less cleave
ember hornet
it's kinda funny to think about a better melee weapon than illisi
sweet vault
e.g., I'll take your lunch money if you run warp absorption without running a st...
so staff attacks are considered warp attacks then?
ember hornet
that also has 8 special charges lol
spice veldt
yup
including soulblaze kills from purg
just from testing in the meatgrinder
not sure how that works out in actual missions though
sweet vault
you never really know with this game, i would not be surprised if it was counted as a range attack in the same vein as a gun
spice veldt
trust no one
viral solstice
dude imagine if on surge
the staff special made u charge it up like a thunder hammer
then u get a 0 recoil thunder hammer slam
thats otherwise like the htunder hammer
when u hold it
and lazorr doesnt get told about it
and all the surge psykers are running around with the real thunder hammer
really makes u thonk
ember hornet
what if instead there was a useless special for all staffs
still hearth
albeit with slightly lower damage on the lower end and less cleave
It's made up for by the Psyker damage boosts though
spice veldt
yup
viral solstice
psyker damage boobs
cyan notch
viral solstice
to be fair the power sword is designed to be brainlet
no resource
no peril
u push button receive delet
spice veldt
and 2 charges per activation
ruby plover
power sword users when i fart on em
viral solstice
it really is the perfect predator
viral solstice
really makes u thonk
ruby plover
idle bay
psyker damage boobs
Like this ?
hexed sage
I haven't leveled my Veteran yet, maybe I should to experience this braindead weapon
spice veldt
i got to experience it back in the days when it had infinite cleave and no particular damage falloff
viral solstice
because the activation on obscurus gives u both warp absorption and the melee kill bonus
idle bay
https://tenor.com/view/cat-dyingaliengif-gif-23950364
it's from a really old and cool game made before most of of Darktide playerbase were born 🙂 Redneck Rampage
viral solstice
wait that sucks
illisi activation doesnt give u warp kill
but obscurus does
dub obscurus smh
viral solstice
quietude is for weaklings who arent running voidstrike and killing infinite enemies per second
viral solstice
idk what that is but it sounds swiss
cyan notch
how do u get 20
viral solstice
like this
cyan notch
spice veldt
wat
rain saddle
i want to make crit trauma soulblaze work
cyan notch
oh u probably have toughness stacked
spice veldt
smh
viral solstice
cyan notch
2 stacks