That's every class
#psyker-class
vagrant frigate
nah like how do you die as psyker
seriously
infinite dodge weapon
near infinite block with KD
still hearth
Silent Backstab enemies
golden tartan
nah like how do you die as psyker
3 surprise shotgunners
vagrant frigate
3 surprise shotgunners
right click your FS, ult them, or lmb them once with purg or surge
proven cipher
Yeah psyker die easy, mutants and shotgunners are my psyker worst enemy
ember hornet
just get 1500 toughness on vet
wooden flint
Yeah psyker has infinite dodges, a instant stagger than can be done while charging other abilities, a glitched sword that blocks bullets it shouldn't, and probably the most burst+aoe damage in the game.
golden tartan
right click your FS, ult them, or lmb them once with purg or surge
That requires u to see them before they instagib u
vagrant frigate
That requires u to see them before they instagib u
pay attention
proven cipher
Shotgunners still continues to shoot my ass even when hit by my purge staff
still hearth
Vet being able to have 4k effective toughness vs snipers
golden tartan
Lmbing with purge ans surge is too slow btw
vagrant frigate
any class dies to that if you dont pay attention
still hearth
golden tartan
That loses to shotgunners
vagrant frigate
no?
golden tartan
Yes
golden tartan
You cant dosge 3
golden tartan
Cos u dodge one and the other two catch u
wooden flint
don't stand in a field during a storm bruh
proven cipher
Vs Shotgunners
vagrant frigate
you can dodge them infinitely with a fkin fs
shut ether
Or you can line 2 up and oneshot them with a void HS
ember hornet
imagine using secondaries against shotgunner on psyker when you could just run at them
vagrant frigate
you can dodge anything forever with fs 80 mob roll
proven cipher
Vs Shotgunners I find. Killing them as quick as possible is best option lmao
golden tartan
you can dodge anything forever with fs 80 mob roll
You can dodge anything forever with a thunderhammer if u play perfectly
wooden flint
just allah ahu them sombitches and you win
vagrant frigate
You can dodge anything forever with a thunderhammer if u play perfectly
solo a daemon host and record it w thunder hammer
proven cipher
Just take the bullets to the face and hope for the best
golden tartan
solo a daemon host and record it w thunder hammer
... you realize soloing a daemonhost is exactly what the TH is made for?
vagrant frigate
is it?
clear heath
solo a daemon host and record it w thunder hammer
considering a thunder hammer can kill a dh in 3 hits, i think you picked the worst example
vagrant frigate
it kills in 3 hits on t5?
wooden flint
It's meant to make DH's more doable, but it isn't meant to solo it lmao
golden tartan
Yes
ember hornet
but also you are gonna take damage
vagrant frigate
idk i dont play zealot
ember hornet
against a DH with hammer
vagrant frigate
ah
wooden flint
2 crits with ability, and one more lucky crit and yeah it can 3 hit. otherwise it's 4 or more likely 5 because their heads are a pain in the ass to hit
wooden flint
yeah you're right. been a staple and people can't convince me to use another 4th column perk
ember hornet
I either never take damage on psyker or just go down instantly lol
golden tartan
I either never take damage on psyker or just go down instantly lol
This
wooden flint
I become the ultimate resbot with KD and block efficiency on my curios
golden tartan
Psyker takes the least chip damage
But any damage they do take is usually critical
shut ether
Because you can't afford chip damage
wooden flint
Illisi is kinda fucking insane
golden tartan
illisi 🤮
ember hornet
lol
wooden flint
Deimos is mid
golden tartan
What are you. A vet wannabe?
ember hornet
I don't understand the point of deimos when illisi also 1 shots everything
golden tartan
I don't understand the point of deimos when illisi also 1 shots everything
Its fun
wooden flint
I'd rather have versatility of the OG or massive wide range
idle bay
Imagine not using the chad deimos
There is only one TRUE CHAD weapon in the game - grey starter Devil's Claw
ember hornet
I need to farm a deimos
vagrant frigate
On deimos u dont use the special
this
golden tartan
The horde clear is mid
wooden flint
Which is why you should use an Antax instead
golden tartan
But mid on a single target weapon is good
vagrant frigate
i have an insane deimos
golden tartan
And it will one stab mutants once u get stacks up
ember hornet
can I kill 4 specials in 1 swing
vagrant frigate
deimos is single target
ember hornet
see see
golden tartan
You can swing like 3 times in the time it takes an illi to special charge
ember hornet
illisi is single target to all the targets
golden tartan
Sooo
wooden flint
but maintaining stacks in the down time of missions is impossible, and that's when mutants always show up
ember hornet
very good design
vagrant frigate
deimos is pokey one right?
golden tartan
but maintaining stacks in the down time of missions is impossible, and that's wh...
Then instead of 1 stabbing them. U go H1 H2 and they die
wooden flint
Also illisi has a perfectly horizontal swing as well, making all the weak spot FS perks actually useful and stacking them to max on hordes instantly.
golden tartan
deimos is pokey one right?
Yes
wooden flint
the light heavy combo is better than most zealot horde tools.
vagrant frigate
the second i get slaughtered 4
ima get an insane illi
with the 100% crit on special
and slaught 4
omgg
cyan notch
On deimos u dont use the special
what about maulers
vagrant frigate
what about maulers
nvm u right
golden tartan
what about maulers
Depends if they are lone or in a horde
vagrant frigate
if solo you can alt fire
ember hornet
I'll switch back to something that actually takes skill/braincells when fatshark gets their head out of their ass
golden tartan
If lone special. If in a horde L1 H2 kills them since u have slaughterer stax
wooden flint
I use the special on maulers with illisi to start stacking rend on their head, kills quicker than body shots. then follow up light, heavy, and it's dead.
cyan notch
u dont have to use things that takes skill
golden tartan
But its fun
cyan notch
just use whatever u have fun with
wooden flint
Illisi doesn't care about the horde
ember hornet
I had fun with hammer when I could use the special
wooden flint
wanna talk about boring, purg is boring.
vagrant frigate
true
wooden flint
sit there hold right click for 30 minutes
golden tartan
wanna talk about boring, purg is boring.
This opinion is correct
vagrant frigate
purg is fun if you run it how i do
golden tartan
Thats why i dont run it 
wooden flint
I enjoy it, the pyromaniac in me is very happy it exists, but also zealot.
cyan notch
bull butcher
golden tartan
Hey look at all the weapons i dont use
wooden flint
alright I'll start playing knife psyker
golden tartan
Chad
ember hornet
hsword same gameplay as illisi
yeah hsword is busted, BB busted, caxe busted, powersword busted, Illisi busted all braindead
golden tartan
Push attacks lets go
ember hornet
some of them are much more busted than others lol
wooden flint
tbh it's an entirely PVE game everything should be busted
still hearth
Nah
cyan notch
no
golden tartan
No
vagrant frigate
yes
wooden flint
also it's set in the most power crept universe in existence
still hearth
Everything should be worth using
golden tartan
make people feel like a god
Thats what difficulties are for
ember hornet
they don't even have engaging mechanics
still hearth
I don't like feeling like a god
cyan notch
yea u are a god if u play on sedition
vagrant frigate
busted as in useable, yes
ember hornet
how is it engaging to sit there and bang face on keyboard with a power sword and win
they are making every weapon like that
all of them
vagrant frigate
not the shovel mf
still hearth
Shovel is bad
still hearth
So?
vagrant frigate
its so fun
ember hornet
at least shovel is better than claw
wooden flint
I mean i did a heresy on psyker with a friend and didn't even take half a healthbar in damage. It's easy to feel like a god once you understand the game, but I'd never be able to do that with a catachan sword on psyker.
sour bison
Shame we haven't got force axe
half iron
shovel is cute and adorable
still hearth
Is it though
golden tartan
Tbh i dont think every weapon should be exactly the same level of power/ease of use.
clear heath
at least shovel is better than claw
wow setting the standards high i see
vagrant frigate
I mean i did a heresy on psyker with a friend and didn't even take half a health...
u literally can though
golden tartan
It lets people who wanna have a challenge have a challenge
still hearth
They should at least strive to make every weapon on a similar level
golden tartan
And people who want something responsive use that
vagrant frigate
They should at least strive to make every weapon on a similar level
nah thats how games end up dead, there needs to be a meta, but yes every weapon should be "useable" not even level
half iron
force shovel for psyker when
vagrant frigate
u need meta in games
golden tartan
They should at least strive to make every weapon on a similar level
Im actually thinking there should be some level of difference. Enough to feel the gap, but thr top end shouldnt be braindead and the bottom end shouldnt be unusable
That lets people adjust and play as they want
wooden flint
Not as efficently. That's my point. It should be viable to use anything. That's Fatshark's entire mantra for this damn game. they want us to test every possible build imaginable, and they're railroading us hard into these "hits more than one thing" weapons without making "hits one thing really well" better to balance it out.
near wyvern
They should at least strive to make every weapon on a similar level
That's likely not going to happen. VT2 has a lot of unbalance in weapons and feats as well
ember hornet
I mean I get they are preparing for a console release but does everything have to be busted and require 0 brain cells
golden tartan
Atm i think the bottom end is mostly fine and just 4 weapons need adjustments
golden tartan
The top end is...
golden tartan
Too strong.
vagrant frigate
10x over
golden tartan
We either need difficulty 6 or we need stuff like the psword to be less dumb
cyan notch
you dont need to make things the same thing they just have to have different use cases and tradeoffs
vagrant frigate
if every weapon is about the same power level then there will still be a meta
still hearth
You don't need everything to be equally good at everything
wooden flint
The game is challenging, having every weapon be overly complicated will turn away a new playerbase. It already got shit PR on launch least they could do is try to recover so the game doesn't become a dumpster fire 6 months in
ember hornet
current they are making all the good weapons good at everything
still hearth
But why does the cleave weapons
vagrant frigate
its good and healthy for there to be overpowered shit and also bad shit
still hearth
Do amazing single target
cyan notch
its good and healthy for there to be overpowered shit and also bad shit
the gap is too wide
still hearth
Just reduce Illisi and Psword first target damage
ember hornet
while requiring nothing for the good things to be good at everything
still hearth
And make the cleave stay the same
vagrant frigate
the gap is too wide
its just the cata and the claw tbh
wooden flint
And you know there's some fucker out there who LOVES the idea of a crusher and wants to use it exclusively, even though it's objectively better to use a TH
cyan notch
what the hell is cata
cyan notch
thats 2 weapons
ember hornet
remove BM from the game, rebalanced caxe/taxe, rework hsword blessings, nerf the fuck out of psword, nerf illisi, buff evis, buff hammer
wooden flint
cata is claw m8
clear heath
what the hell is cata
clearly he means the devils claw
The devils claw and the devils claw
vagrant frigate
shut up lol
golden tartan
remove BM from the game, rebalanced caxe/taxe, rework hsword blessings, nerf the...
Buff claw, buff shovels and for the love of god buff shield
wooden flint
unless you're talking about the knife but context clues suggest otherwise
Please buff shield
vagrant frigate
nah i thought devil claw as just one swords name
wooden flint
or give more ogryn weapons
vagrant frigate
i forgor they just different marks
near wyvern
cata is claw m8
Dagger is also catachan
clear heath
Please buff shield
nah, taking 5 heavy attacks to kill a poxwalker is part of the experience
golden tartan
And you know there's some fucker out there who LOVES the idea of a crusher and w...
Uh
Uhhh
vagrant frigate
yeah ogryn is rough
cyan notch
lots of weapons have their different marks just not worth using
golden tartan
But its FUCKING BORINH
still hearth
Atm Crusher is better than TH
golden tartan
Crusher is the most boring weapon in the game
wooden flint
In most cases it is. I agree it's stagger is good but it's damage is ass
still hearth
Get rekt hammer nerds
wooden flint
unless they buffed it in the last patch
ember hornet
at least you get to use the crusher special ðŸ˜
wooden flint
and i missed it
golden tartan
In most cases it is. I agree it's stagger is good but it's damage is ass
Damage is irrelevant when nothing can hit u kek
ember hornet
it's been known that the crusher is both a terrible weapon and S tier
vagrant frigate
tbh deimos is just what the rapier wishes it was
golden tartan
it's been known that the crusher is both a terrible weapon and S tier
This
vagrant frigate
i want to run rapier so bad but deimos is just 2x the damage
golden tartan
Its s tier in that it plays the game dor u
vagrant frigate
like i wanna run a crit build w a rapier
vagrant frigate
deimos is literally just that
wooden flint
Damage is irrelevant when nothing can hit u kek
yeah, i guess. I'm mad you're right, but it also means you're coasting by relying on someone else to clear the horde for real while you just stunbot
still hearth
Literally no reason to use it
vagrant frigate
it 1hit heavy attacks EVERYTHING
golden tartan
Its terrible in that u do special L1 ad infinitum
still hearth
yeah, i guess. I'm mad you're right, but it also means you're coasting by relyin...
Run Flamer
Easy game
golden tartan
yeah, i guess. I'm mad you're right, but it also means you're coasting by relyin...
I mean even the most braindead teammate can do this.
valid marsh
Illisi is so damn fun
clear heath
like i wanna run a crit build w a rapier
man the way they implemented crit damage in this game is just tragic
wooden flint
I mean even the most braindead teammate can do this.
you'd be surprised how braindead people can get
still hearth
Crit needs a rework too
ember hornet
crit is tragic
golden tartan
you'd be surprised how braindead people can get
They still can kill shit that literally cant attack
vagrant frigate
man the way they implemented crit damage in this game is just tragic
at least theyre fixing the blessings that are SUPPOSED to provide crit and dont
still hearth
It's just so trash and the perks and blessings don't build on the system
valid marsh
Aside from only lasting one hit, how exactly is Illisi functionally different from a power sword?
vagrant frigate
zealot too bro
golden tartan
Aside from only lasting one hit, how exactly is Illisi functionally different fr...
Better defences
still hearth
The perks and blessings are built like crit works normally and not in this unhinged way
valid marsh
yeah that infinite dodge is
wooden flint
They still can kill shit that literally cant attack
I run quicken psyker and I know for a fact that is not true. They see the maulers and ragers fall and stop firing, not even a glance at the kill feed.
valid marsh
golden tartan
zealot too bro
Thats the ult for one swing
clear heath
crit dmg perks only buffing on bonus damage is so dumb
the numbers look like they're balanced around working on the total damage, but it only works on like a third of your damage
golden tartan
I run quicken psyker and I know for a fact that is not true. They see the mauler...
Look. They wanna statpad
ember hornet
bleed hsword wut
vagrant frigate
i run max crit revolver on vet
golden tartan
They will come and beat up ze horde
golden tartan
Hsword. Bleed.
I what
vagrant frigate
?
fierce sinew
The perks and blessings are built like crit works normally and not in this unhin...
this is the real problem, they could make their unorthodox frankenstein damage calculation work, but they'd need to change all the crit/weakpoint related blessings pretty drastically
golden tartan
i run max crit revolver on vet
I mean this works
vagrant frigate
do u know how the talents work
golden tartan
Hsword bleed crit doesnt
ember hornet
do you?
vagrant frigate
ult = bleed
bleed = crit
wooden flint
do u know how the talents work
are you okay?
ember hornet
oh no
still hearth
What
vagrant frigate
make them bleed
ember hornet
no no no no no
still hearth
What what what
golden tartan
vagrant frigate
ult = crit
crit = bleed
bleed hit = crit = more bleed
still hearth
What r u doin
wooden flint
ONE HIT MAKES 10 ENEMIES BLEED then what
ember hornet
that is not how hsword works
still hearth
I mean it's a fun meme
ember hornet
to do less damage
still hearth
But it's bad
still hearth
wooden flint
you get like 1 bleed stack with that build man
fierce sinew
I'm glad fatshark doesn't listen to the majority of what this unhinged community has to say tbh
vagrant frigate
it just makes things bleed
wooden flint
don't use a heavy sword for bleed
ember hornet
it's funny sure
fierce sinew
we deserve to be treated with more contempt
wooden flint
use a weapon that can roll a bleed blessing
golden tartan
Ye hsword is garbo warbo for bleed
vagrant frigate
ig i need a new one
ember hornet
yeah you want headtaker + rampage
feral topaz
I'm glad fatshark doesn't listen to the majority of what this unhinged community...
comically, maybe thats why Locks still exist. But I digress
clear heath
use a weapon that can actually achieve crit chance higher than base crit if you're building a crit build
wooden flint
knife, chainsword, chain axe
ember hornet
for that sweet 170% damage buff
golden tartan
You dont want to give 10 enemies a papercut
wooden flint
but it's probably only 2 or 3 bleed stacks
golden tartan
U want to see 10 heads hit the floor with every swing
ember hornet
bleed generally regarded as one of the worst things in the game
wooden flint
that's not even 1 crit with my knife
vagrant frigate
psyker had a crit build before nerf
100% chance to crit for 5 seconds after FS alt fire
still hearth
Crit and bleed are both just meh
vagrant frigate
is now a 100% chance to crit ONCE
wooden flint
on my bleed build my knife puts 7 stacks of bleed per crit, 3 otherwise
clear heath
yeah but that setup was pretty meme anyways
golden tartan
Vet has a crit build thats actually legot
ember hornet
is now a 100% chance to crit ONCE
they got the zealot treatment
golden tartan
But its on ranged
clear heath
like slaughterer would be better most of the time
still hearth
It used to be dope on Zealot because you could be immortal
75% dr on crit was dummy
ember hornet
which was also awful balance
still hearth
But 50% is too low
wooden flint
You can still be pretty tanky
vagrant frigate
revolver on vet is fun w crit
still hearth
So now it's just mid
vagrant frigate
crucian and the other crit one
wooden flint
considering the CDR on crit
golden tartan
Crucian got nerfed
vagrant frigate
i havent played it since nerf
ember hornet
crit DR actually useless now
clear heath
crucian died ages ago
golden tartan
Also crit is capped
clear heath
it has been months
ember hornet
crucian died even more in last patch
still hearth
There's no cap
feral topaz
Crucian was made less effective especially on revolvers recently.
still hearth
You could get 100%
vagrant frigate
actually
golden tartan
Laspistol crit build actuallt legit on vet
wooden flint
Crucian caps out at what, 25 now on the last shot?
golden tartan
Same for shotgun crit build
still hearth
20
ember hornet
crit numbers are so nonsensical on everything
vagrant frigate
back when you could empty your mag of a gun with crucian roulette and get that crit chance on your melee you could do fun things
golden tartan
Half the weapons also have garbo multipliers
wooden flint
rip
weak sapphire
Is it a known problem that you cant headburst when looking through a fence with 1-2 bars and plenty of space between the bars.
Railings etc
wooden flint
Half the weapons also have garbo multipliers
half?
clear heath
Is it a known problem that you cant headburst when looking through a fence with ...
It used to be worse actually
still hearth
90%
vagrant frigate
Is it a known problem that you cant headburst when looking through a fence with ...
they "fixed" this a while ago
feral topaz
Is it a known problem that you cant headburst when looking through a fence with ...
there are some places like that, it used to be worse
vagrant frigate
but it still is wonky
golden tartan
Nah theres a good chunk with good mults
ember hornet
people get baited so hard by crit
vagrant frigate
my favorite blessing
still hearth
Even a lot of weapons that roll crit suck balls on crits
ember hornet
oh boy 10% more damage on a crit
still hearth
They fixed that
feral topaz
its the opposite now, its now +power the less stamine you have
still hearth
It's now on 0 stamina and up to like 10%
wooden flint
Anyone try the new hammer? it worth anything? looks cool
still hearth
vagrant frigate
It's now on 0 stamina and up to like 10%
wait thats even more useless!
still hearth
Hammers suck now
feral topaz
yup
ember hornet
new hammer is worse than old hammer
feral topaz
wait thats even more useless!
You're welcome varlet
fierce sinew
wait thats even more useless!
it's actually way better for psyker kek
still hearth
No, no it isn't
fierce sinew
still not worth probably
golden tartan
HH likes crit.
Deimos likes crit.
Laspistol LOVES crit (and actually has a legit crit build)
Shotguns love crit
vagrant frigate
@still hearth i have a limbsplitter shovel with the +4% power shit, it used to be so bad its funny
golden tartan
IAG likes crit
fierce sinew
I'm on 0 stamina virtually all the time if the axe is out
vagrant frigate
<@123830341696880641> i have a limbsplitter shovel with the +4% power shit, it u...
isnt laspistol like 15% crit
ember hornet
too bad only 1 class can do crit on ranged weapons
golden tartan
Laspistol is innate +15% crit rate
still hearth
Deimos has two but it's also bad ones
fierce sinew
either from sprint sliding or pushing
golden tartan
Deadshot makes it 55
still hearth
And now you're running worse feats
vagrant frigate
deadshot is mid
still hearth
To make up for your gun being built around crits
golden tartan
Sorry cant hear u over the crab rave
vagrant frigate
deadshot sucks if your gun shoots fast
golden tartan
🦀
cyan notch
all or nothing is 20% at 0
golden tartan
deadshot sucks if your gun shoots fast
Just be crab
restive slate
Does all or nothing still apply to your ranged?
golden tartan
Crab ran deadshot on a fucking graia IAG
ember hornet
doesn't revolver have low crit scaling?
still hearth
Nope
golden tartan
doesn't revolver have low crit scaling?
Volver has high crit scaling
still hearth
Revolver does like 30% extra damage on crit
restive slate
Sad, thought it'd be useful
fierce sinew
limbsplitter all or nothing stam is for losers meta
still hearth
It's ass
ember hornet
so low
still hearth
Probably
golden tartan
Ye
ember hornet
why is there a weapob
golden tartan
IAG also
golden tartan
The Lucius iirc also has good crit scaling
But thats... mostly irrelevanr
Hi yes I would like my heretic extra extra well done
restive slate
Lucius crit doesn't even matter half the time... Maybe for Infernus proc
golden tartan
Lucius crit doesn't even matter half the time... Maybe for Infernus proc
Hi yes id like my corpses to be on fire
Kek
restive slate
Kantrael Shotty?
ember hornet
I can't even tell when I'm in psyker or zealot chat anymore
still hearth
restive slate
General Chat
ember hornet
lots of zealots playing zealot psyker after the patch
golden tartan
I can't even tell when I'm in psyker or zealot chat anymore
Theres a difference?
restive slate
Both Zealot and Psyker are mad and not right in the head
weak sapphire
They should add wheelchairs to the game
ember hornet
I picked up psyker for voidstrike fun
still hearth
And buffs
ember hornet
not to replace fucking zealot in melee
golden tartan
I picked up psyker for voidstrike fun
Same
cyan notch
first time?
restive slate
Wdym you get an AWESOME NEW Thunder Hammer
still hearth
All they had to do was make it actually cleave
ember hornet
both new zealot weapons have been ass
still hearth
But noo
idle bay
While Zealot gets nothing or nerfs
Zealot will get serious buffs - just for sake of spike of interest to the class. To boost players retention
still hearth
At least we get shotguns
ember hornet
shotguns are fun
golden tartan
Shotguns are great
ember hornet
if psyker had a shotgun then man zealot would be in a worse spot lol
restive slate
I try to make Zealot Shotgun work but ammo seems really hard to maintain
ember hornet
eh
still hearth
Just melee
golden tartan
I try to make Zealot Shotgun work but ammo seems really hard to maintain
The trick is to just let them all burn
still hearth
golden tartan
While u cave their skulls in
idle bay
if psyker had a shotgun then man zealot would be in a worse spot lol
Bolter and Flamer on Psyker would be nice too 🙂
restive slate
Trying to make Agri Shotty work on Zealot
ember hornet
Trying to make Agri Shotty work on Zealot
do you have no respite
feral topaz
Bolter and Flamer on Psyker would be nice too 🙂
Sibling, we wouldn't want to see psykers magdumping a bolter into poxwalkers would we
golden tartan
Sibling, we wouldn't want to see psykers magdumping a bolter into poxwalkers wou...
Its a psilencer
restive slate
do you have no respite
I have No Respite and Full Bore
golden tartan
It has infinite ammo
ember hornet
that is the combo
golden tartan
Go wild
idle bay
Flamer on Psyker, right
I know, right 🙂 To Choose between flamer with infinite ammo but smaller area, and real mean BIG flamer with limited ammo 🙂
fierce sinew
100 peril 6 charge pinning fire bolter would be some shit
golden tartan
also kant is better on zealot
This
restive slate
I thought so too
idle bay
Sibling, we wouldn't want to see psykers magdumping a bolter into poxwalkers wou...
That is whole point of Bolter - to do occasional magdumps 🙂
restive slate
I got a Trans AgriShott with those blessings so I thought to try and make it work
feral topaz
That is whole point of Bolter - to do occasional magdumps 🙂
tactical magdumps fr fr
golden tartan
New psyker ranged weapon kek
ember hornet
I miss when arguing with bolder zealots was the controversial thing
restive slate
Does Kantrael Shotty run out of ammo fast on Zealot?
idle bay
tactical magdumps fr fr
To be serious - i've seen Vet that masterfully used Bolter , and only did magdaump when it was worth it, deleting dangerous clusters of enemies, and now waiting it on poxwalkers blobs
restive slate
Force Hammer
ember hornet
Does Kantrael Shotty run out of ammo fast on Zealot?
if you have a vet it's not a problem at all, otherwise just let burn do a bit more work
idle bay
New psyker ranged weapon kek
Psycannon?
golden tartan
Psilencer
restive slate
Gonna try and build Kantrael Shotty then for Zealot
golden tartan
This is a psycannon
feral topaz
To be serious - i've seen Vet that masterfully used Bolter , and only did magdau...
Oh definately, I'm not saying otherwise, its just some nights....I realise I should just skip this session
ember hornet
Gonna try and build Kantrael Shotty then for Zealot
the special penetrates everything including some walls and bulwarks btw
restive slate
Aren't Psycannons more of a Grey knights weapon?
idle bay
This is a psycannon
I always misteken one for another 🙂 even in Deamongates game 🙂
restive slate
the special penetrates everything including some walls and bulwarks btw
Yee I used Kantrael on Vet before, so much fun
Just not on Zealot
ember hornet
on zealot you can use F after burning crushers with shotgun and they die lol
golden tartan
Aren't Psycannons more of a Grey knights weapon?
restive slate
slow clap
idle bay
I need to do some more testing, but i stun-locked Beast of Nurgle in place with Vet shooting it in the face with Vraks MK III... Sadly have to wait till evening to double check in meatgrinder
restive slate
on zealot you can use F after burning crushers with shotgun and they die lol
The burn damage is boosted??
golden tartan
The burn damage is boosted??
Yes
still hearth
You shouldn't be able to stun bosses without explosive stagger
restive slate
Nuts
still hearth
ember hornet
The burn damage is boosted??
zealot F downgrades armor on ranged, so cara turns into flak
can do 800 dps to crushers with a flamer
golden tartan
Faith is a drug
still hearth
And flak takes a billion damage from Fire
cyan notch
nerf f
restive slate
So do you burn first then Ult or the other way around
still hearth
It's already dead
idle bay
You shouldn't be able to stun bosses without explosive stagger
I know and that is why i noticed that boss behavior as strange, and made a note about it to check later
ember hornet
nerf f
if they nerf F then how am I supposed to kill multiple crushers when I run hammer ðŸ˜
restive slate
Okie dokes gotta try this for sure
still hearth
Two special shots then they should die from burn and F
rocky cedar
So I know warp nexus peril breakpoints were fixed, anyone know if unstable power's ones match it so were also fixed?
ember hornet
man why is my only staff with t4 blessings a damn purg
still hearth
@lethal folio probably
cyan notch
it is
still hearth
Because fire is the way
ember hornet
If I want a flamer I'll just play zealot that has a better flamer
golden tartan
Oh hey btw Lazorr did u see ogryn chat the other day saying kantrael shotty sucks? 😛
still hearth
When do we get new Marks of staves
rocky cedar
Cool there's a T4 unstable in Melk's I'm thinking serious about
still hearth
Oh hey btw Lazorr did u see ogryn chat the other day saying kantrael shotty suck...
Shocking
Ogryn chat being wrong about other classes
A classic
ember hornet
ogryns appear to be incapable of thought in this game
spice veldt
So I know warp nexus peril breakpoints were fixed, anyone know if unstable power...
according to the buff UI in the bottom-left corner, the thresholds have been fixed for unstable
rocky cedar
Oggy chat is cool and all but yeah they often have awful takes on other classes
ember hornet
including the people that play them
golden tartan
At least theres one take that every chat seems to agree on
still hearth
Vet OP
golden tartan
Nah vet chat wont agree on that
still hearth
They do sometimes
still hearth
Veterans are so bad they think Zealor is OP
timber bolt
Anyone clearing the new mission modifier?
still hearth
Kek
timber bolt
It’s fucking crazy
idle bay
Vet chats been saying Zealot OP for a while now
Vet chat is weird, they worship tau hentai
golden tartan
But at least we all can agree, fuck camo vets
hollow current
surge is really good for hi shock
still hearth
But otherwise fun
timber bolt
The high gauntlet
golden tartan
Hi shock is something
primal plume
Whats the Peril % to get 25%?
idle bay
But at least we all can agree, fuck camo vets
Sideways with glass cactus
cyan notch
takes forever if ur the only special killer
still hearth
Whats the Peril % to get 25%?
100%
golden tartan
Whats the Peril % to get 25%?
When you get the about to go explody noises.
ember hornet
psyker is pretty much played at 100% peril now on everything outside of a couple builds right
still hearth
Basically every build yeah
still hearth
Some still cling to warp resistance
hollow current
takes forever if ur the only special killer
50 min jesus
still hearth
Which is fine on surge or purg
hollow current
I just went through one where I stunned all the specials and had the other guys kill them basically.
cyan notch
yea we didnt have a vet we got flamer zealot ripper gun ogryn and surge psyker
not the best for specials
golden tartan
Surge Psyker
Tbh its fine if he is running the illisi
Thats all the horde clear u need
still hearth
I should build a good surge sometime and see if it feels better
But all the other staffs are still better
hollow current
it's damage is ass but it's cc against a horde of specials is awesome.
forest coral
Or Deimos shank
hollow current
i pub it so a good team is uncommon
still hearth
Any stagger does
Mutants are fine imo, as long as they go for my team I can just kill them
weary idol
what if we got a force hammer
still hearth
But when they go for me my team doesn't comprehend
hollow current
That's why I go surge on hi shock
still hearth
what if we got a force *hammer*
Enjoy being stunned for 3s
hollow current
I love trauma but if your team is half decent then surge makes it a LOT easier.
wooden flint
force glaive
still hearth
I'd rather run autopistol
weary idol
just casually give the psyker a grey knight force pike lmao
still hearth
Than surge
hollow current
guns dont belong on psyker and you can't change my mind
cyan notch
mages dont seem like a spear type class
still hearth
Telekinetic Knives when
weary idol
guns dont belong on psyker and you can't change my mind
the incomparable power of my mind increases the damage of my gun by 49%
still hearth
They're in the game just run release them
hollow current
the incomparable power of my mind increases the damage of my gun by 49%
makes the bullet shoot faster
hollow current
kinda think illi is overtuned
spice veldt
imagine having only increased ranged damage based on the distance of enemies to you
still hearth
Zealot could compete with 25% damage
spice veldt
imagine not having global damage bonuses
still hearth
And attack speed on charge
rocky cedar
Zealot could compete with 25% damage
Two feats you would basically never take and would gimp your melee output
rocky cedar
Yeah I don't count that
cyan notch
psyker guns are mid tho
hollow current
psyker autopistol is nuts
still hearth
It's literally S+ tier atm
cyan notch
everyone has that
still hearth
Wdym
hollow current
but that's because pinning fire is OP itself.
weary idol
I use laspistol or an iauto personally
spice veldt
none of the guns that we have are unique
still hearth
Psyker has no unique guns
rocky cedar
Yeah autopistol Psyker honestly debatably > autopistol Vet IMO
hollow current
OP/broke. Like slaughterer but you need only one kill really
cyan notch
no brato no bolter
spice veldt
so literally no guns are mid+ by your definitions then
cyan notch
we got stupid recon
golden tartan
I mean unless psyker gets a psilencer, i dont see why psyker should get unique guns tbh
still hearth
Recon is trash yes
Psyker should have force push special
On all guns with torches
weary idol
well they do with the laspistol
cyan notch
even duelling sword is garbage
rocky cedar
Man how am I still just not getting anyone join Damnation matches half the time
weary idol
even duelling sword is garbage
how dare you
cyan notch
hard carried by the new fs now
rocky cedar
Starting a damn run and having noone join for 10+ minutes really makes me just want to put the game down for the day
still hearth
But now that niche is useless
rocky cedar
I'm in Aus so probably that's a part of it
rocky cedar
But it's hugely variable for me
spice veldt
damn you really are fucked
cyan notch
vpn it
hollow current
relationship with Mac V ended.
weary idol
wish psyker had shotguns though
cyan notch
i was about to say
cyan notch
no brauto no bolter no shotgun
weary idol
so I can spend the best years of my life both quelling and reloading
imagie psyker bolter
49% passive damage boost on a bolter lmao
hollow current
beam stave
spice veldt
bonk for 300 dmg
weary idol
so are the ogryn ranged weapons, but they sure do get melee attacks too
hollow current
beam stave where the melee is a poke followed by a kaboom
weary idol
but like imagine a staff that is a polearm type weapon and has melee attacks on lmb
and ranged attacks with rmb
and you can have it alongside a force sword!
golden tartan
A blunderpole?
weary idol
it'd be fun
golden tartan
spice veldt
with unstable power, warp unleashed, and t4 slaughterer stacks, I only need to be at 40% peril for my force sword to deal 100 bodyshot damage to poxwalkers with a normal heavy
three-shot 11 poxwalkers (10.5 cleave at +75% power) or two-shot 14 groaners
spice veldt
i'd personally choose flurry
hollow current
I don't use purge but I've heard crits don't do a whole lot for it.
Something about adding extra stacks that are limited anyways
spice veldt
crits apply 2 stacks of soulblaze instead of 1
viscid cedar
If I extract flurry here can i then rebless on another different staff or for purgatus only
spice veldt
only on purgatus
viscid cedar
unfortunate, ok
spice veldt
blessings between staffs (even the Equinox staffs Trauma and Voidstrike) are not shared
viscid cedar
not a purgatus enjoyer personally so perhaps i'll give this a miss
hollow current
you some kind of weirdo that likes having undamaged retinas?
viscid cedar
zealots will do it for me
hollow current
true. every other zealot has the flamer.
tidal kernel
just getting back into the game, heard psykers finally got some love and i'm wondering if the new force swords are good, as well as what each of the staffs excel at.
spice veldt
witness this bodyshot cleave damage distribution at max t4 slaughterer stacks
still hearth
Purg excels at killing anything that isn't carapace.
Surge stuns things and kills flak.
Trauma stuns and explodes most things.
Voidstrike is good at everything.
idle bay
It's better to have OP weapons then weaposn those existence in the game is questionable.
spice veldt
both are bad
spice veldt
at 40% peril with my specific blessings and feats, I deal 200 minimum bodyshot damage to groaners and poxwalkers with my heavy-special
idle bay
If they're too OP they make other weapons more questionable
True to that. But also means that other weapons can get buffs to put them on more desirable position
spice veldt
at 18.4 cleave, I'm guaranteed to one-shot 25 groaners
timber bolt
Wtf lol
still hearth
Yeah Illisi is pretty hilarious
spice veldt
why is the solution to buff every other weapon when we can just nerf one weapon
tidal kernel
what's the difference between illsi and deimos? what're they better at
tidal kernel
i like cleave
timber bolt
I gave it another chance without slaughterer but. A better roll and it’s crazy strong
I’m really enjoying it with purge staff
still hearth
They'd have to nerf Illisi and Deimos, nerf Psword, nerf Flamer and Purg, nerf Bull Butcher and Heavy Sword.
hollow current
pulling trick shots off on muties with the deimos is fun.
still hearth
The curve currently is just such a massive gap
timber bolt
Fair
still hearth
The worst weapons can't even compete with the best ones
People say "I can clear damnation with X"
And sure you can
timber bolt
But the worse ones can definitely be more then viable
still hearth
But you're like 10% as useful
timber bolt
But agreed they’re not as much fun
still hearth
Compared to running the S tier weapon
timber bolt
I agree
timber bolt
I think the bottom weapons need a buff
still hearth
I die a bit inside
hollow current
People say "I can clear damnation with X"
i think they mean they got carried in damnation with x most the time tbh
still hearth
They need that too, yeah.
I mean you can "hold your own" but if you compare someone running the Claw + Revolver
timber bolt
Worried the nerfes will be to much
still hearth
To someone running Heavy Sword + Autopistol
sour bison
Force axe next week
timber bolt
That’s true, I mean claw is bottom of the list
still hearth
Claw would be good if it had any blessings that actually impacted it
timber bolt
Not argueing at all, I totally agree
hollow current
give claws parry a 10x damage modifier.
still hearth
Which is funny because its only good blessings are impact
But yeah its all about how much they balance things
Claw parry is so garbage atm its sad
timber bolt
For sure
timber bolt
The parry should change damage based on the attack your partying
spice veldt
claw parries have the damage distribution of their 3rd lights
timber bolt
Parying
timber bolt
Lol
still hearth
Claw parry should 1) stagger like a truck 2) damage like a truck 3) cost no stamina
timber bolt
It should be playable tho
spice veldt
- have access to power blessings
spice veldt
literally a hordeclear melee that doesn't have access to slaughtererer
timber bolt
I’m doing really well with my non slaughterer force sword
wet belfry
Why do you actually think purgatus is op?
still hearth
Purg has infinite range
Staggers
Suppresses
The DoT builds up to insane damage numbers
And the direct flame kills hordes in like 4s
spice veldt
infinite cleave
cyan notch
it dont have infinite range
spice veldt
for the same reason that the pre-nerf power sword was ridiculously
infinite cleave with no damage falloff
timber bolt
I don’t think it’s OP it is top tier tho
cyan notch
theyre not gonna nerf the cleave
still hearth
I think its far too good compared to other options
manic halo
The DoT builds up to insane damage numbers
this is so sad can we buff camo vets
cyan notch
flamestorm was the same in vt2
hollow current
wasn't there someone talking about the total area of the purg's cone and saying that's why it's the best stave.
still hearth
Or something stupid like that
restive slate
Sniper Purgatus when?
timber bolt
A bolt staff would be sick
hollow current
oh yeah bolt stave
restive slate
Sienna vibes
timber bolt
Like In vermintide
still hearth
We have no additional marks of staves yet
Unlike other weapons that have 3 of each type
Since each staff is its own type
idle bay
And what about Beam staff?
still hearth
So I hope they'll work on that next
restive slate
Not sure if that's possible
manic halo
I wonder if other staff types will only come with new sub classes
timber bolt
I’d like some varied staves
still hearth
I want Purgatus to have different marks
Same with Surge
Give me a close range Surge with no cap
hollow current
I wonder if other staff types will only come with new sub classes
have to grind out the blessings again 
timber bolt
Crazy pitch but I think some non damage staves would be cool
still hearth
Let me stun hordes
timber bolt
Like a damage boost one
spice veldt
please
spice veldt
we literally have no single-target dps staff
restive slate
So if we have variants then... For example, Trauma variants would be fire, another time locks
spice veldt
all of our god damn staffs are currently CC
timber bolt
Nah, not talking cc staffs. Support staffs
still hearth
Support weapons make people play shitty
timber bolt
That’s fair
spice veldt
surge and trauma fulfill that role of setting up kills already to dish out more damage
still hearth
People already play Shield and Surge and it hurts me
spice veldt
and that damage buff staff better make the teammate do 100% more damage to make up for your lost DPS
spice veldt
one teammate
still hearth
Ahh
spice veldt
hehe
still hearth
Nah
spice veldt
still ridonkulous
still hearth
I mean that'd still be nutty
timber bolt
Was just an idea
still hearth
Just have a Heavy Sword + Flamer Zealot
And watch them one-shot everything everywhere
hollow current
hi shock is the only time i use surge. really shines there
west galleon
Surge is already like poleaxing yourself
spice veldt
same problem as overwatch where you just hold LMB/RMB as mercy
timber bolt
Sniper staff and shotgun beam staff would be hype
west galleon
"Unlimited powaaaaah.... uh the scabs wont die"
weary idol
ngl VT2 has this same problem
where flamethrowers are just way too reliable at what they do to the point that someone who knows how to use one just
does everything p much
cyan notch
no lol
west galleon
Melee staff
timber bolt
The flame staff is definitely not top tier in vermintide 2 is it?
hollow current
dont recall flamers being used that much when i played VT2
cyan notch
nope
timber bolt
At least it wasn’t when I played
It kinda sucked
Shotgun staff, bolt staff, and fireball staff were the good ones
hollow current
anyone around when the beamstaff flaming head cheese was a thing?
hollow current
how about machinegun kruber?
timber bolt
The good old days
Lol
Wish Psyker’s special was a little teleport, that was so much fun
restive slate
Variants Idea
Void
-Hadouken that explodes on impact
-Antiarmour Hadouken that generates a lot of peril
Trauma
-Fire/Bleed Dot
-Levitate/Timelock stun
Purgatus
-Anti armour Beam
-Freeze
Surge
-Single high damage lightning bolt
-Aoe Lightning Strike
timber bolt
Knocking monsters off the map
hollow current
asking for ways to ledge yourself
weary idol
psyker teleport but only if it's broken like how battle wizard TP used to be
hollow current
battle wizard was always cracked
weary idol
and you can TP to unintended locations
hollow current
that cc was amazing
cyan notch
flamers didnt do much damage to armour in vt2
hollow current
I think famished flames was/is pretty powerful against everything but superarmor/chaos warriors
west galleon
Srsly have a staff that turns into some psychic lance or something like that
timber bolt
Lol I got stuck in the map so much with the teleport
weary idol
I always did that too but with the KNIFE for funny mobility
timber bolt
Wanna try burn sword build with the ilisi in this game
golden tartan
Only one problem with that
timber bolt
I liked the aoe of the burn sword
hollow current
I liked the fire sword swipe for the damage resistance and infiniate cleave
timber bolt
Yup