in terms of "I don't die to mistakes" which isn't you slaying out with guns
#psyker-class
runic hornet
but not dying like an idiot
also you're a psyker period
between sniping specials with BB
and warpunleahsed melee damage
you barely have to do any more
sniping specials is like most of the rest of the work you need to carry a pug group
and you can do that with any long range tool, psyker just happens to have BB built in
digital loom
if you kill elite everyone in coherency gets reduction
runic hornet
does it have to be your kill?
i'm still confused about that
like do you need the last hit or can it be anyone in cohernecy
spice veldt
yes; it must be killed by the Psyker with Psykinetic's Aura to proc the CDR for everyone in coherency
whole oxide
i mean, i'm not arguing that it's meta best pick, but, this idea that it's barely playable dog-tier is just objectively provably false
runic hornet
it's not "barely playable", but it is masochistic for no obviously good reason
dawn orchid
It's objectively worse than other options by a large margin
runic hornet
like right now the state of psyker is
strong af
you can use a fucking grey recon lasgun and clear
that's not recon lasgun being good or even decent or even mediocre
it's psyker
warp unleashed is a helluva drug
fierce sinew
turns out when you staple multiple multiplicative power buffs onto a weapon (before blessings) you kill things
news at 11
leaden thunder
runic hornet
in all seriousness how would you make hte recon las fit a niche
it used to be infernus but fatshark said no to that
how would it be tuned to not just be a reskinned autopistol/autogun
leaden thunder
general damage buff
wet belfry
I think its a boring gun to begin with
leaden thunder
then massively buff it's weakspot/crit damage
past parrot
Unnerf Infernus 😦
clear heath
does it have to be your kill?
You have to kill
Also keep in mind it's elites+specials despite the game just saying elites
olive ember
Idk why they nerfed infernus tbh
leaden thunder
it should be a pin point laser
runic hornet
autogun is already the headshot weapon though
chrome arch
Siblings, these are my first two weapons on lvl30 psyker
leaden thunder
reward using it as such
olive ember
It’s such a weird thing to nerf especially looking at the dmg we can do now
wet belfry
If it was good it would also be brainless to use.
chrome arch
chrome arch
and just wanted to ask what 2nd blessing to switch the other time
wet belfry
They are for sure
olive ember
Wow
chrome arch
is Warp Flurry viable on purg or
wet belfry
I dont agree with fatsharks design there
chrome arch
is it bad and sacrifice for Hardon
olive ember
Since flurry got fixed
runic hornet
I don't like warp flurry on purgatus but that's just me
olive ember
Purge meta is flurry + nexus
chrome arch
mhm so it will work
runic hornet
i strongly prefer interruption immunity because i'm weird
olive ember
FS meta is slaughterer + wte you choose
dawn orchid
how would it be tuned to not just be a reskinned autopistol/autogun
Perhaps giving it more damage comparatively in exchange for barely having stagger/suppression. A simple damage boost would solve the problems of ammo efficiency and dps at the same time.
dawn orchid
The blessings list needs to be tweaked too
runic hornet
Perhaps giving it more damage comparatively in exchange for barely having stagge...
that's probably enough
Autoguns are massive headshot multiplier but meh damage and ammo economy
So recon las could just be a bodyshot damage focused weapon with low headshot multiplier as it's hilariously inaccurate
dawn orchid
Almost all of them are not something you want on the gun. Blaze away, cavalcade, good options
runic hornet
make it feel like a flamer but at midrange
chrome arch
for that FS, I reckon I will find better one and sacrifice IV Slaughterer to Hadron
dawn orchid
that's probably enough
Autoguns are massive headshot multiplier but meh damage a...
Depends on the gun, vraks 3 is extremely ammo efficient and a bodyshot monster that hits one burst breakpoints on all shooters without perks
runic hornet
Depends on the gun, vraks 3 is extremely ammo efficient and a bodyshot monster t...
oh yeah
I meant more the Infantry autoguns
chrome arch
BTW because of uncanny strike I can 1 shot headshot scab gunner with light attack 
dawn orchid
Haven't played around with IAG's much, mostly stick to brauto and vraks 3 nowadays
chrome arch
I should at least
clear heath
Perhaps giving it more damage comparatively in exchange for barely having stagge...
I actually just want it to have more ammo
Let it be this constant stream of damage to wear enemies down
chrome arch
with uncanny it just is stupidly decent against multiple armored enemies
runic hornet
I use the agrippna infantry auto extensively on zealot because of the push-F-to-pierce-armor interaction
it's FUN to push F then headshot two crushers to death at range
chrome arch
the probably-bug-early-on-but-eventually-feature of having armor penetration on weapons while in zealot F is an invaluable asset to its overall gameplay IMHO
I say that as a zealot with revo about to hit 250 missions 😅
gilded viper
talking about guns, why do the autogun sometimes give u the super fast reload?
gilded viper
RNG reload 
runic hornet
mind bullets
supple skiff
finally got out with a bang, shout out to the peril building power of the illsi lol
magic burrow
you can use a fucking grey recon lasgun and clear
I think the main reason Psyker is strong now is because the staves are so woefully undertuned that they have to prop psykers up with feats to make competitive. Like the voidstrike staff seems neat, until you realize it is effectively a half damage plasma rifle.
supple skiff
idk I find the void staff pretty great for ranged horde clear, plus its solid at takeing out shooters around cover
as an aside, do we know if the new swords have deflector built in is intentional or not
silent trout
I don't see how it can be intentional if there is still a deflector blessing tbh
spice veldt
it's definitely not intentional
the new force swords also have the old ass bug where swapping to them momentarily makes you move faster
supple skiff
might be moving to deprecate it
fierce sinew
the fact that deflector (the blessing) is still in the pool makes me think unintentional lmao can you imagine
rare furnace
So did psyker get shotgun as well?
gilded viper
So did psyker get shotgun as well?
if only 😦
wish psyker can get shotgun/brace but i can understand people getting upset the range pool have too many guns> stave
supple skiff
I could see them doing it knowing it would cause how many of us to reroll swords and burn god knows how much plasteel
probably just copium on my part
whole oxide
i mean, just testing VraksIII right now vs Recon 6d+Infernus, standing on far side of psykanium, I kill gunners/reapers just as fast if not faster with the recon than the Vraks, since at that distance can't guarantee every Vraks shot is a headshot
gilded viper
if they keep the deflector bug then deflector blessing need to be rework into something else so doubt they'll let us keep it
late yew
Recommended level 20 feat?
gilded viper
blocking
dawn orchid
i mean, just testing VraksIII right now vs Recon 6d+Infernus, standing on far si...
Post the guns you're using
Also, why are you testing them exclusively in a way that would benefit the 6d the most due to falloff?
gilded viper
from my testing i got around 1.1k dps on reaper or 1.6k (if BB happen) then again i don't know if i was using the best range since i was using the vld
steep shuttle
Deimos obliterates single targets but brain burst already kinda does that
whole oxide
Also, why are you testing them exclusively in a way that would benefit the 6d th...
because that's the scenario where I would want to use a gun rather than a staff, picking off shooters/gunners at medium/long range, rather than having to peep and BB over and over
gilded viper
proof that gun psyker is bad 
supple skiff
well a thread pointing out the innate deflector was marked as aknowledged so there goes that lol
stray radish
Hello there. I'm starting my journey with Psyker. lvl10 - deimos and Palpatine staff. What curios I need to look for? Is stamina +3 needed?
gilded viper
well a thread pointing out the innate deflector was marked as aknowledged so the...
+3 stamina not really needed once u get the level 20 blessing but i think if u not there it a ok choice
late yew
proof that gun psyker is bad <:Kappa:254711570305646602>
just play vet
steep shuttle
+3 stamina not really needed once u get the level 20 blessing but i think if u ...
block with peril?
gilded viper
- no BB
quasi pier
well a thread pointing out the innate deflector was marked as aknowledged so the...
Sad part is it's pretty much proof that's how the fs was designed. They probably chopped it because they couldn't think of enough blessings for the pool
chrome arch
Hello there. I'm starting my journey with Psyker. lvl10 - deimos and Palpatine s...
Honestly depends, i use one stam curio for better blocks and sprints
gilded viper
block with peril?
yeah
supple skiff
i say let us keep it and rework the deflector blessing to give idk block efficiency increase and mobility or something
clear heath
Sad part is it's pretty much proof that's how the fs was designed. They probably...
but force sword has one of the bigger blessing pools in the game
chrome arch
i say let us keep it and rework the deflector blessing to give idk block efficie...
I second this
chrome arch
Something has 10 blessings
steep shuttle
i say let us keep it and rework the deflector blessing to give idk block efficie...
make it reflect 
chrome arch
Tac axe?
dawn orchid
because that's the scenario where I would want to use a gun rather than a staff,...
You need to test at medium and long range then, as opposed to purely as far away as you can. I would like to see your testing guns, as I know you aren't running gray versions of both.
quasi pier
If you count precognition as a blessing
gilded viper
hate that zealot crusker is all impact blessing when the weapon impact is super good already 
clear heath
regardless, force sword is on the higher end of blessing count
it didn't really need extra blessings to pad out the pool
steep shuttle
What's a good blessing for a single target sword
leaden thunder
sluaghterer
leaden thunder
executor is probably not terrible on the deimos
it's moveset should let you consistently hit weakpoint easier
steep shuttle
would be good on either i think
quasi pier
Executor on illisi is great
steep shuttle
sweep the heads
whole oxide
You need to test at medium and long range then, as opposed to purely as far away...
not sure why you'd not try with optimal blessings, as part of the whole reason to run recon 6d is Infernus, and part of the reason headhunters are meh is they don't have any great blessings
steep shuttle
we seem insane...
what
gilded viper
i saw a clip on reddit where we can 1 shot the mutant with deimos
was cool ngl, try it myself but only manage 2.6k
quasi pier
They probably had damage to mutant perk
Also your first target is probably losing you 10% or so
dawn orchid
not sure why you'd not try with optimal blessings, as part of the whole reason t...
Uh, what? Who told you that headhunters were "meh" or that they didn't have great blessings?
gilded viper
true, i need to find a better one 
dawn orchid
You also still haven't the guns
gilded viper
i could try the "test" but i don't think i have a good HH
frozen fulcrum
whats the best staff for spamming m1? or are they all the same
gilded viper
all the same expect purg
kind jay
(quell staff)
whole oxide
Uh, what? Who told you that headhunters were "meh" or that they didn't have grea...
what great blessings do they have?
frozen fulcrum
all the same expect purg
the flamethrower one?
steep shuttle
a little blep blast or a small flame poof
gilded viper
yeah, the flamer LMB is a short burst one for straggering
steep shuttle
that's all the m1 you get
frozen fulcrum
👍🏻
gilded viper
the only HH i have, i guess i can test with this
leaden thunder
the agri is the worst hh
gilded viper
steep shuttle
I like agri because it has highest damage per shot
dawn orchid
what great blessings do they have?
Crucian roulette is the big one, or at least it was before the recent change which undertuned it heavily. No respite is quite good on them due to having pretty good stagger across the board and some having ridiculous stagger. I'm guessing a crit fishing build with deadly/headhunter might be meta now for 3 but I'd have to see.
gilded viper
i can't do a fair teste then, this is the other HH i have but vs my recon it would be a complety bias testing
oh well 🤷♂️
dawn orchid
Yeesh
leaden thunder
crucian is still probably better then headhunter
dawn orchid
It's really, really undertuned now
gilded viper
i could use this but this is a autogun so
spice veldt
agri iag is great
past parrot
what counts as a repeated weak point hit?
dawn orchid
Here's my vraks 3 for reference, although I'll probably have to roll an alternative
Headshots
past parrot
is it same target consecutive headshots?
spice veldt
can be a different target
past parrot
or can I cleve a horde?
spice veldt
repeated = don't break your attack chain (swap weapons, wait too long, block)
past parrot
or wait do I even want that since peril = bonus damage
gilded viper
hmmmm, idk if this mean it good far damage on everything else that isn't listed
whole oxide
Here's my vraks 3 for reference, although I'll probably have to roll an alternat...
and what kind of DPS do you get with that on a Reaper, if you're not standing next to it?
dawn orchid
Pick a range
gilded viper
i got around 1.2k from this far
whole oxide
standing between the poxs and groaners
whole oxide
'cos from there, I get about 1400 with recon on reaper, without any stacks/buffs/feats
gilded viper
mine or his?
leaden thunder
idk what they where smoking when they nerfed crucian
gilded viper
i guess i switch it too fast or something
Trade out +8% specialist or +20% Carapace on an Illisi?
leaden thunder
cara
dawn orchid
Here's the talent setup. Nothing damage boosting. Counterfire only boosts weakspot damage on volley fire and that wasn't used.
late yew
Here's the talent setup. Nothing damage boosting. Counterfire only boosts weaksp...
Wrong channel fuckn BLUNT
This channel is for cool kids
gilded viper
also from my testing i think i got:
1.2k without buff
1.4k with buff + WU (at 80ist%
1.6k with 6 charges+WU (at 0%)
gilded viper
dawn orchid
Can go a little higher or lower depending on the crits.
gilded viper
I mean it’s certainly better now with warp unleashed buff
honesty wish there was a tanker flak/unarmor enemy and not unyielding, since this recon have bad damage to it
valk have around 150-200 more dps
wait i didn't test that far give me a min
game crash
bruh
spice veldt
skill issue
dawn orchid
honesty wish there was a tanker flak/unarmor enemy and not unyielding, since thi...
My vraks 3 has 5x the base unyielding damage
gilded viper
xD
dawn orchid
And over 6.5x the the weakspot and crit damage per bullet
whole oxide
gilded viper
ok im getting 1k-1.2k cause skill issue and sometime the reaper get surpress
like where the head
whole oxide
dawn orchid
Well, it looks like you're pulling a lower number even with two perks that would boost your damage to reapers, and the benefit of inverted falloff.
whole oxide
the thing is
i could have stopped firing half way through that, and logged out
and the reaper would still die
dawn orchid
Infernus does do more damage to reapers than most targets, last I checked
whole oxide
okay?
gilded viper
so that why it always so high to them
dawn orchid
That's a lot of factors going in your favor with these tests and my nerfed vraks 3 was still able to beat it out
gilded viper
digital loom
i used to use achlys axe and its so nice i have a force sword equiivalent now
whole oxide
That's a lot of factors going in your favor with these tests and my nerfed vraks...
not sure that innate Vet 15% weakspot damage is in my favour, but okay
gilded viper
actually it seem good on flak too, even better then reaper
but for real guys, are we really going to aruge about recon weapon being not bottom of the barrel pick, it clearly outskill by most of the weapons in the game anyways even if it good in it niche
dawn orchid
not sure that innate Vet 15% weakspot damage is in my favour, but okay
Oh that's fair, I forgot that existed. But you are the one who was testing with weakspot hits. We can compare bodyshots if you like
I can't think of any niche for the recon for it to be "good" in honestly
I guess it's the best infernus user
whole oxide
infernus isn't trivial, alot of times I have to break off shooting, and 5s later the thing dies
gilded viper
people who like high rate rate wepaon i guess, that the only real niche i can think of
that kinda my main weapon of using it
ornate hamlet
recon would feel a lot better if i could tap fire without a cooldown between clicks
whole oxide
and, again, I'm not arguing that its way better, just that it isn't the bottom of the barrel you think it is
dawn orchid
infernus isn't trivial, alot of times I have to break off shooting, and 5s later...
It's some nice icing on the cake, but sadly doesn't carry the weapon into competitiveness by itself. Not that it's particularly good game design to have a weapon NEED an extremely rare blessing to push it into being decent or good.
whole oxide
"icing on the cake" literally doubling your damage
gilded viper
dps wise not really
dawn orchid
It doesn't double your dps, no.
gilded viper
it like bleed knife
dawn orchid
That test was also extremely imbalanced in the recons favor by the way.
gilded viper
it good for hitting a traget and going to the next one, but it doesn't increase your dps as fast as just a damaging blessing (i could be 100% wrong i don't use knife that much just saying)
whole oxide
but again, this is obsessing over raw DPS numbers, when in a real match there's alot more going on
dawn orchid
Two perks that affect damage to reapers on your gun, infernus does considerably more to reapers, recon doing full damage at that range
gilded viper
tbf i don't think we can get a apple to apple fair test unless it the same family of weapons beacuse of diff blessing
unless we just straight up only use gray or something
whole oxide
using gray isn't apples to apples either
some weapons are carried by their blessings, others aren't
dawn orchid
Using them both at 15m should result in equal damage from range bonuses
Assuming they work how I think they work
gilded viper
or we could use the close range recon to test the close range gun
dawn orchid
There's a big dps difference between the recon models
gilded viper
oh yeah
near wyvern
All this optimisation about guns when in reality you take WU and IFS and it doesn't matter what's in your ranged slot, it will do fine.
leaden thunder
with like infernus 3
whole oxide
difference between infernus 3 and 4 is pretty huge
gilded viper
VIIa? i hate that one honesty, feel like vld is that but better
whole oxide
wouldn't recommend recon without infernus 4
dawn orchid
9
gilded viper
6
dawn orchid
t4 is 9, t3 is 6
spice oar
just had an ogryn res me and say "Once more psyker. Show me your strength" never had such a morale boost
gilded viper
leaden thunder
ah
dawn orchid
More info from my prior testing.
leaden thunder
mk2 is the close range fast one right?
dawn orchid
mk2 is the close range fast one right?
Middling fire rate close range one, yes
Slowest is 7a
leaden thunder
oh I was using the vld
dawn orchid
which is also close range
ornate hamlet
i also just noticed recon uses 2 ammo per shot
gilded viper
idk why i thought "lower number = slower"
dawn orchid
7a uses 2 ammo, but only that one
For ammo efficiency I was counting the damage it did with each ammo consumed
All recons have the same ammo pool
whole oxide
you sure it uses 2 ammo to shoot once?
trim hearth
has anyone done the malleus monstrorum penance? the 90% health on a monstrosity with brainburst in Heresy threat?
dawn orchid
2 rounds?
gilded viper
7a does, yeah
can comfirmed
dawn orchid
So if you tap it you'll shoot twice and poof 4 ammo
ornate hamlet
oh shit, so does the laspistol
flint nest
what weapons are really good for end game psyker? i have just started playing it
trim hearth
what weapons are really good for end game psyker? i have just started playing it
purgatus force staff seems to be a good one
the flame staff however that's actually spelled
leaden thunder
any staff is good
either of the new force swords are great
antax is good but boring
trim hearth
I do love the Deimos force sword
leaden thunder
any gun that is good on other classes is good
gilded viper
^
autopistol is meta on psyker cause of pinning fire + AB
im done with the recon talk for now, got to go do some irl shit
dawn orchid
Of course, you could just use those guns on vet....
ornate hamlet
whole oxide
More info from my prior testing.
how did you calculate that? given that the maximum of the damage range for all 3 is 52.5
ornate hamlet
tap firing drastically reduces fire rate
dawn orchid
how did you calculate that? given that the maximum of the damage range for all 3...
Damage to to unarmored per ammo used according to the stat screen, not taking ranges bonuses/penalties into account
This was for 80% rolled guns
trim hearth
what is the best way to get weapons with rolls like that? is it just Brunt's armory?
worthy jewel
keep an eye on Exchange whenever possible, high rolls will still pop up in there, and sometimes you'll get a nice roll from Brunt when yer flush with cash
Emprah also gives nice uns occasionally, and Melk can have em but that's obv not common
dawn orchid
Keep in mind that the damage number you get when hovering over the damage stat is misleading and guns have various boosts/negatives to armor types as visible when pressing tab in the inspect menu.
supple skiff
unstable power maxes at the listed value right?
trim hearth
I'll have to check the exchange more frequently then
spice veldt
unstable power maxes at the listed value right?
unstable power stacks 4 times; t3 unstable power grants you a stack of 4% power at 20/40/60/80 peril
worthy jewel
most efficient timing for me is checking the exchange on the :50-55 minute mark, checking both exchanges, then yer free til the following hour's 50-55
devout belfry
And it seems to stick around for a second after dropping below a threshold.
supple skiff
so max stacks at t4 is 20% power
topaz sable
what is the best way to get weapons with rolls like that? is it just Brunt's arm...
And another note, if you're looking for particular blessings, check the limited acquisitions once a day. Probably the best way to earn blessings
devout belfry
It honestly feels like the only way to earn blessings lol
trim hearth
And another note, if you're looking for particular blessings, check the limited ...
I'm pretty on it with checking that
whole oxide
I'll have to check the exchange more frequently then
the thing is, the difference between say, 50% and 80%, on some stats, on some weapons, is a huge difference, and on others its literally impossible to feel any difference
so depending on the weapon, don't sweat about getting all stats maxed
trim hearth
got Warp Nexus 4 early so I've been religious with that one
gaunt stone
for the Illis force is it worth charging the sword more than once each time or does it just refresh it and people do it to stack peril?
steep shuttle
How is Blazing Spirit blessing? Good?
olive ember
Meme
steep shuttle
they should make dot damage a bit better.
olive ember
Eh it’s just how the blessing is overall
You have to crit to apply the dot and of the things you crit half of em are dead anyways
spice veldt
for the Illis force is it worth charging the sword more than once each time or d...
charging seems to only refresh the duration; and yeah you could do that to generate peril to quell for quietude or just damage buffs from unstable power or warp unleashed n' all that
steep shuttle
You have to crit to apply the dot and of the things you crit half of em are dead...
was making me think that on crit effects are for hard targets or bosses
obtuse moth
You have to crit to apply the dot and of the things you crit half of em are dead...
its a little better for trauma/voidstrike since things on the edge get burn damage instead of just tickled by stagger
gaunt stone
charging seems to only refresh the duration; and yeah you could do that to gener...
recommended blessings on Illis? Deflector and Slaughter?
spice veldt
I like slaughterer and unstable power
gaunt stone
why unstable?
olive ember
was making me think that on crit effects are for hard targets or bosses
Eh you aren’t rly using the voidstrike or trauma on bosses tbh
gaunt stone
does it scale with ranged too?
olive ember
It’s mainly just for more horde clear
spice veldt
cuz moar power = more cleave
ember hornet
I have decided that illisi only psyker with quicken and quietitude is giga broken tier
olive ember
Quicken?
spice veldt
illisi is giga broken tier
olive ember
Care to explain
honest frigate
Illisi isnt even broken bruh its a bootleg power sword
gaunt stone
is this a solid base?
spice veldt
yes, and I'm of the opinion that the power sword is also broken
dawn orchid
The heretical furry has a point
honest frigate
is this a solid base?
indeed
olive ember
is this a solid base?
Not bad, tho the perk is E
ember hornet
this was illisi only with shock Troop 
gaunt stone
Not bad, tho the perk is E
what perks we aiming for?
gaunt stone
so cross my fingers on one being a roll for it got it
olive ember
this was illisi only with shock Troop <:KEKW:998673601035255918>
What staff you pair with it anyways
ember hornet
I was running trauma
gaunt stone
so I am really enjoying Ill with surge
ember hornet
void a better pair
wide tiger
DONT FUCK ME HADRON
gaunt stone
they pair super well imo
spice veldt
i have a 620k damage run with shock trooper by using the illisi
spice veldt
actually busted
ember hornet
i have a 620k damage run with shock trooper by using the illisi
yeah it's absurd
wide tiger
😦
olive ember
It’s over
wide tiger
time toooo say goood byeeeee
ember hornet
it's definitely power sword tier broken
olive ember
🤔 oof
spice veldt
I went into a game with a particularly good vet and they still outdamaged me tho with their god damned power cycler power sword
gaunt stone
I guess max maniac and 15% flak is better than 10% sprint eff LOL
supple skiff
managed to make this from a brunt piece
still need to figure out what im doing perk wise
prob swap crit for flak
olive ember
It feels rly nice that psyker gets good melee weapons finally
wide tiger
Nah unstable/slaughterer is just so much easier to maintain
olive ember
Rip zealot tho
wide tiger
Zealots still feel great
gilded viper
i can't see myself keep up unstable on deimos
wide tiger
if you hit a body does it reset?
yeah i feel like your uptime wouldnt be great
but you know what
gilded viper
but it esay to keep up since most of the attack pattern should always hit head
wide tiger
I'll test it
olive ember
Just run deflector smh
gilded viper
it consistent for me
gilded viper
TRUE
olive ember
Filthy bug exploiter
wide tiger
thats me!
got so many rez's with deflector
executor is bad, it instantly drops if you chasrge
charge
but holy shit the deimos does a lot of damage
i can one shot mutants without charging?
insanity
gilded viper
yeah i kinda use exec for horde clearing tbh
spice veldt
i don't like executor because I just qq cancel the 1st heavy if I ever want to use the normals
ornate hamlet
sweet mother of christ, i managed to remove the tshirt i was using
silent trout
any preferred perks and blessings for a surge staff? Is flurry worth it?
olive ember
Nexus and flurry
silent trout
i suspected as much, ty
stable silo
It seems nexus and flurry are just overall bis
leaden thunder
pretty much
stable silo
Running it on my purge surge trauma void is quelling and flurry lol
leaden thunder
even if not used together they have their builds on each staff
stable silo
If i could get them on my shredder build why not rofl style points screw pinnin blaze
karmic apex
perks are bad right, which should I reroll?
lunar hollow
the change to warp unleashed makes me wanna run an autopistol/illisi psyker build
leaden thunder
dew it
lunar hollow
i gotta get an autopistol and illisi for psyker
thats the problem
aint got either
ember hornet
the change to warp unleashed makes me wanna run an autopistol/illisi psyker buil...
I haven't used my secondary for the past 3 games on damnation shock troop
lol
ember hornet
illisi autopistol might be one of the most broken things in the game atm
good job psykers
past parrot
My plan to start playing Psyker last paid off
stable silo
I was running duel sword shredder before now its ill shredder and i love it
The funniest thing is spamming sword special to build peril for warp unleashed dmg pistol shots you just stroke your sword over and over. Slaneesh is proud
ember hornet
casually killing 2 flak ragers in one swing
I could actually unironically run revolver cause it just doesn't matter
lunar hollow
mfw the prophesized day of meaningful psyker buffs has finally arrived
ember hornet
mfw psyker gets this and I get this
lunar hollow
the hammer got kneecapped so psyker could get out of the wheelchair
ember hornet
psyker went from 0-100 real quick
whole oxide
i mean, if you analyze strength purely from reddit memes, sure
stable silo
Every match now is triple psyker so i started playing my zealot and veteran more to support my new siblings
Where the hell did they all come from
ember hornet
the only reason I play zealot is for fire shotgun now lol
solid elk
Where the hell did they all come from
The Warp
ember hornet
600 hours of playing a skill based weapon and it's nerfed into the ground, guess I'll join all the brainless builds that fatshark buffs
stable silo
Hammer? Just spam lights like a true chad savoring each individual heretic kill one at a time
ember hornet
I used to dive packs of ogryns and bonk all of them
but I guess I should just press F with an autopistol or flame weapon instead
or use illisi
stable silo
You could always flame on with firesword
ember hornet
is deimos crit blaze a thing
whole oxide
deimos doesn't really have the attack pattern for it
digital loom
deimos doesnt have particularly good crit and it tends to one shot things so you wont be able to make blaze stacks
ember hornet
ah
digital loom
its quite good if you primary a staff with good hoarding ability
its basically a force sword equivalent to achlys imo
olive ember
I tried the meme void blaze build
Tbh if you wanna blazing spirit prob run trauma
Meme void is like you need rapid fire macro
fair kayak
this thing slaps
cold geode
maybe its just me, bad rolls on weapons and what not, but i haven't become enamored with the new swords. they aren't bad, but nothing slaps like my antax with bm/dec
fair kayak
Antax with BM is still prbably BiS
I still use it with my Surge Staff
but this thing is no joke
I saw some folks saying it cant hurt elites
that aint true
this thing will clap anything
leaden thunder
the illisi is very strong
spice veldt
it won't hurt elites in a mixed horde
olive ember
It kinda does
ornate hamlet
give me horizontal lights, vertical heavies and a beefy special for extra damage
steel flame
i whot. illi with slaughter blows anything the BM Antax could dream of out of the water
olive ember
Only problem is that it’s lights only have like 2 cleave
spice veldt
here's the illisi's heavy cleave distribution with t4 slaughterer (10.5 cleave)
here's the antax light cleave distribution with t4 decimator
olive ember
here's the illisi's heavy cleave distribution with t4 slaughterer (10.5 cleave)
That with or without special
spice veldt
that's without
here's the heavy-special and t4 slaughterer (18.4 cleave)
i hope people aren't light-spamming with the new force swords
I will shit in your pants if you light-spam and then go on to say that they're not that great
stray radish
Can somebody explain for a psyker noob why illisy is op and Deimos isn’t?
spice veldt
I have been light spaming and think they are great
i'll still shit in your pants
spice veldt
Can somebody explain for a psyker noob why illisy is op and Deimos isn’t?
people do like the Deimos, but they don't seem to be on right now
spice veldt
you're not real
fair kayak
I use the Deimos with my Purghatus
spice veldt
I like the illisi because the special doesn't lock you into place and a cleave melee is always appreciated
leaden thunder
and I didn't know the cleave values yesterday
fair kayak
I like the illisi because the special doesn't lock you into place and a cleave m...
you can also spam the special button in order to quickly gain peril
spice veldt
smh you don't know the cleave values of the force swords off the top of your head even though you're not a psyker main? smh weirdo
fair kayak
which you can use to buff your damage or heal yout shiled
fierce sinew
they're just specialized at different things
leaden thunder
smh you don't know the cleave values of the force swords off the top of your hea...
I know wierder shit off the top of my head
for this game
spice veldt
hit me with one of em
leaden thunder
just how rending works
spice veldt
ah right
that shit
engrained in my head through ptsd
people also like the deimos because three of our four staffs are hordeclear, so it's a bit redundant to bring the illisi
spice veldt
6 cleave 1st heavy and stabs that actually do meaningful damage
leaden thunder
infintite dodges that are insanely good
rare furnace
I haven't played my psyker today
How does that feel
stray radish
Well, Deimos looks fun for me. I like stabby-stabby. But I’m only lvl12 psyker, and I spent nearly 300h on zealot, so I need some time adjusting to new character xd
leaden thunder
I was finishing weeklys on my vet
olive ember
I haven't played my psyker today
Heresy
rare furnace
Illisi is so strong that with god base rolls I don’t care for god blessings
leaden thunder
putting the fire shotgun through its paces
olive ember
He’s too busy appeasing the filthy powersword samurai
rare furnace
Is fire shotgun for preacher too?
leaden thunder
yeah
leaden thunder
after I got an agripina shotgun just
ruined
I am probably gonna play my pskyer for the rest of today
ember hornet
regarding conversation from a bit ago
what do you even need to think about with illisi
literally deletes everything
past parrot
Well, Deimos looks fun for me. I like stabby-stabby. But I’m only lvl12 psyker, ...
I’m making the switch too rn and I blow myself up wayyy more than I care to admit
leaden thunder
one thing I noticed for both the fs is they both feel great for clutching
the staying power of the illis and the movement of the demios is just 10/10 for that
ember hornet
yeah psyker definitely stronger alone than they used to be
stray radish
I’m making the switch too rn and I blow myself up wayyy more than I care to admi...
Palpatine staff is weird for me, so I’m waiting for flame one 🤣
past parrot
Palpatine staff is weird for me, so I’m waiting for flame one 🤣
I only liked Surge Staff on my way to 30 since I was playing a lot of Hersey and my low stats mattered less when doing cc
past parrot
Purge Staff feels good now with good stat rolls
ember hornet
only on the primary
oof
past parrot
and haven’t gotten to seriously try Trauma or Void
ember hornet
void and trauma the only ones I use
leaden thunder
same for the most part
past parrot
I need to build a Void next
leaden thunder
but I bring out the purge every once and a while
past parrot
Got a serviceable Illis + Purge currently
Purge kinda just makes me sad because it’s like Flamer if the Flamer was bad balanced
past parrot
Fair
Infinite ammo doesn’t even matter too because Flamer has such good ammo economy
fierce sinew
purg outdamages flamer pretty free tbh, the juice is just split between the weapon itself and feats
past parrot
I actually didn’t know Void Staff existed until I made a Psyker
ember hornet
very high damage
lunar hollow
if the purg could stagger shotgunners and nothing else i would be happy
ember hornet
how much damage does max blaze stacks do
past parrot
Yeah Purge stagger is throwing me off coming from Flamer
some stuff just keeps coming at me unexpectedly
fair kayak
I completed a Heresy with the ENDLESS ENDLESS horde bug thanks to purgatus
Oh whats that game? you spawned infinite Poxwalkers?
good thing I have infinite blaze
olive ember
Ya know I just realized that’s Melk
Didn’t realize Melk was higher ranked than morrow tho
fierce sinew
there's banter about melk having an actual title
hollow steeple
is Surge any good on Voidstrikes?
or does it only work on the primary fire?
fierce sinew
morrow is just a sergeant major
leaden thunder
is Surge any good on Voidstrikes?
or does it only work on the primary fire?
it's funny
it does work on the secondary but it's not great
scarlet timber
olive ember
🤔
I’d ask if my psyker can get ironhelm but
Why would I ever need it compared to the force swords
wide tiger
i feel like dumping mobility defeats the purpose of the deimos
Tell me im wrong so i can roll this
olive ember
Ehh
fair kayak
i'de tap that
olive ember
I mean warp res is the dump since special is irrelevant on the DFS
olive ember
But mobility ain’t the worst I guess
wide tiger
and its better to have low to increase your peril quick
Why do you taunt me oh hadron
fair kayak
and its better to have low to increase your peril quick
keep going
gilded viper
bruh moment
fair kayak
lucid olive
https://youtu.be/uo0Q2Jojt6s
are there melk lines during missions that are cut?
fair kayak
that'll do
olive ember
Ewww unstable power
Might as well use precog
I forget tho
How useful is slaughterer on the deimos anyways
timber bolt
Hey hey, how’s the new horde clear force sword?
fierce sinew
wide hitbox + slaughterer
olive ember
One of the zealots think it’s S tier
timber bolt
Is it okay to use it with the flame staff… how’s it’s damage against Muties, bulwarks, and Crushers
olive ember
Just below vet power-sword apparently
leaden thunder
the staying power it can give you on top of doing solid damage
olive ember
I personally hate the vet power sword to the point where I just run the antax and perform better
timber bolt
It might be redundant with the flame staff since they both hired clear
olive ember
But I’m liking the new FS
leaden thunder
It might be redundant with the flame staff since they both hired clear
it technically is but it doesn't really matter
spice veldt
illisi's special only has extra damage against unyielding unlike the deimos and obscurus special which deals 200% against flak
olive ember
The cleave one is good enough that it can be used with anything
timber bolt
Hored
leaden thunder
at worst you can use the illis has a quiteude toughness battery
spice veldt
I still think it's fine for single target since it'll stagger elites if you repeatedly light-special them
ember hornet
illisi's special only has extra damage against unyielding unlike the deimos and ...
200% to flak sounds useless except for assassination
spice veldt
maulers and scab ragers
timber bolt
Is it better with electro staff?
ember hornet
Illis deletes them already lol
spice veldt
you knock two melee elites out with 200% flak
I don't disagree with that, but 200% flak is meaningful
at least with a pre-patch bloodthirsty OFS
ember hornet
I am just enjoying melee only psyker way too much
pine relic
Me too
ember hornet
zealot main comes to Psyker to use more melee
feelsbadman
pine relic
What are you doing here Lazorr
timber bolt
I’m a zeolot main looking to play psyker for more melee too
pine relic
I thought you hadn't given up on the hammer yet.
pine relic
Psyker: I'm kind of a zealot myself.
runic hornet
Wildfire psyker is growing on me
timber bolt
Psyker is wayyyyyy less tanky then zeolot tho right?
olive ember
Psyker is wayyyyyy less tanky then zeolot tho right?
If you get hit then yes
spice veldt
we have a fast stamina regen delay
runic hornet
illisi JOI gives you insane amounts of toughness regen passively
spice veldt
as long as you're not balls deep inside a horde, you should be safe with the occasional push
runic hornet
zealot5 feat levels of toughness
spice veldt
even then, you can be safe inside a horde
ember hornet
also infinite dodges
runic hornet
you don't have as much HP, or the passive, but yeah - infinite dodges, and massive toughness regen to tank ranged or a hit every 2-3 seconds
olive ember
It really is a “just don’t get hit” moment on psyker
runic hornet
and receive a whole lot of toughness passively
olive ember
But technically yes psyker is the weakest of the 4
runic hornet
you can also trade with shooters all day
timber bolt
@ember hornet what’s your sword?
wide tiger
damn nice
ember hornet
I got that after like 3 upgrades
olive ember
If only he had +maniac instead of +groaner rip
past parrot
Is Warp Resist dump stat a benefit on an Illis?
ember hornet
yeah
pine relic
You lucky bastard, you always get the right T4 blessings so fast.
olive ember
Warp res is the dump stat on nowadays to hit high peril to benefit from warp unleashed
ember hornet
it took me 3 months to get the hammer blessings lol
olive ember
Tbh tho even at hi warp res idrc
ember hornet
but now it seems fairly easy
olive ember
Just means I gotta stroke my sword a few more times
pine relic
Didn't you get it from milk?
past parrot
I can stroke my sword for days before I pop with 77% warp resist roll
ornate hamlet
stroking your sword is exactly what slaanesh wants
pine relic
The only annoying part is the high peril sound effect.
ornate hamlet
olive ember
The only annoying part is the high peril sound effect.
There’s a mod for it to completely remove it
Ngl I use it as an indicator tho
When I play the game muted
spice veldt
it's an in-game setting now
olive ember
Literally malice player
Gets mauler overheaded into flamer into blowing myself up with staff
pine relic
There’s a mod for it to completely remove it
Thanks, I'm going to check that out. It has become quite disturbing after the new patch.
ember hornet
but in game setting
narrow palm
Aside from the pins, anyone have a good just starting resource for psyker?
ember hornet
built into game
olive ember
I forget if that gets rid of sound
spice veldt
it does
olive ember
Or just makes the VFX less obnoxious
past parrot
:0
past parrot
I would not have guessed that was there
olive ember
Cuz I’m a TRUE PSYKER
cyan portal
But technically yes psyker is the weakest of the 4
The weakest if you get hit, the best as not getting hit though. With skill I'd say it's the most tanky by a good margin.
past parrot
The voices actually have some pretty interesting things to say
olive ember
The weakest if you get hit, the best as not getting hit though. With skill I'd s...
Ehhh vets are stupid tanky ngl
75% DR
With practically infinite toughness as long as they keep killing elites
pine relic
It should be turned off by default.
dusky bear
fantastic. yet another glorious day of melk offering only axes and autoguns
pine relic
dusky bear
what site/mod is that?
dusky bear
ah
ember hornet
I'm a dirty autopistol psyker now
onyx oracle
I'm a dirty autopistol psyker now
The Purge staff is like now not bad. I see more flame staffs now.
cold geode
I'm a dirty autopistol psyker now
is ok, i am as well
wide tiger
so i could put slaughterer 4 onto it
Does superiority only exist as a t3 blessing? that must be what bloodthirsty replaces in t4
cyan portal
one of us one of us
Purga is BiS no? Shredder is strong but not as strong.
wide tiger
ehh depends
on what you want to do
i dont think Purgatis is BiS though, just different
i actually think trauma might be king shit for aoe Dps
dusky bear
being able to drop a damnation mutie in 3 seconds is pretty nice
olive ember
tbh all the staves are meta imo
wide tiger
shredder autopistol is awesome for specialist erasure
olive ember
Psyker has 5 meta builds, one off of each staff + autopistol psyker
onyx oracle
I like ius as it has good close and long range. Very holistic.
cyan portal
But which is the best meta build?
olive ember
and then they got the off meta builds, like builds using quicken, or builds using wildfire + blazing spirit
cold geode
my current shredder
olive ember
But which is the best meta build?
depends on team comp, map, condition, etc. etc.
for example if you have a flamer zealot, bringing a purge prob aint it, as is voidstrike
you would be better off running trauma, autopistol, or surge
cold geode
dmg maniacs on shredder is crazy good
olive ember
shock trooper gauntlet ups surge staff value by a good amount
onyx oracle
What is the best build for Purgatus?
Is this a good build?
olive ember
What is the best build for Purgatus?
Is this a good build?
Level 5 run either 1 or 3
then 1/1/1/1/2
you can choose to swap communion for aura
but yeah
cyan portal
flame zealot only better to f to delete orgyn and bosses imo, I'm easily out dpsing them now with purga and wildfire.
past parrot
hunting grounds makes surge staff dogshit
I mean only for the dogs, but they aren't even that big a deal
onyx oracle
Level 5 run either 1 or 3
then 1/1/1/1/2
Not Wildfire? I thought that spreads fire everywhere?
olive ember
its mid
wide tiger
Armoury delivers, but the perks/blessings, worth 18k?
cyan portal
wildfire is great if you have slaughterer 4, otherwise better with warp battery i think
olive ember
i forget the details but wilfire is only rly standout if you have a way to consistently apply low amounts of dots
runic hornet
Armoury delivers, but the perks/blessings, worth 18k?
ducats are easy
runic hornet
buy anything in the shop that looks remotely okay, but expect nothing
plasteel is your limiting factor by a thousand times over
olive ember
but on something like the purge where you are constantly applying high dot count
the 6 stack from warp battery is better
cyan portal
4 stack ab with fs out, burns every chaff all the way back to spawn.
olive ember
the problem with wildfire is that it can only apply up to 4 stacks or wte of dots and it can't go over. Which with the purge staff's high dot count its kinda useless
runic hornet
4 stack ab with fs out, burns every chaff all the way back to spawn.
yeah, but if you're on purgatus duty, you don't need that IMO
cyan portal
one full channel with purga, switch to fs and same thing.
runic hornet
wildfire is much stronger when you are using it to give you purgatus-levels of dot spread while you do something else
olive ember
6 stack is just more consistent and with recent changes to warp unleashed 6 stacks lets you kill everything squishier than a rager
runic hornet
such as trauma
trauma into illisi melee cleanup with dots ticking
I've been loving it as a wildfire-capable build more and more
olive ember
6 stack + warp unleashed iirc will burn ragers, flamers, etc. etc. down
runic hornet
I don't even have an unstable power+slaughterer illisi, just slaughterer
cyan portal
yeah, so will 4 stacks if you got the right fs though
olive ember
its way more consistent
and yeah wildfire just aint it on purge imo
tried it out
barely noticed a difference except for the fact that my burns were weaker
jovial quail
Woah old man finally came in sorta clutch
cyan portal
do you have your fs out most of the time?
runic hornet
when you use wildfire on purgatus you literally don't notice shit and not having 6 warp charges for higher passive damage is noticeable
the opportunity cost is high and the added utility is low
olive ember
yep
I run FS always nowadays
kinda a feelsbad almost since I don't use the antax anymore
gilded viper
cyan portal
I dunno, I feel like I'm burning way more things to death with wildfire now. Beating meta vets and flamer zealots on dmg meters I wouldn't have before.
olive ember
also the 4 stack + slaughterer takes time to proc cuz you know... gotta wait for the dot to finish
runic hornet
I dunno, I feel like I'm burning way more things to death with wildfire now. Bea...
damage meter is just padding
olive ember
whereas 6 stack doesn't
runic hornet
if you get 50 damage on a poxwalker it won't meaningfully affect your zealot's TTK as he clears
since he'll still headshot it with an antax for a OHK
olive ember
its just kinda eh my use case for AB is either for when I wanna fall back during an objective so I press F and let em burn, or for taking out mixed hordes/shooters
runic hornet
but you just stole 50 damage for scoreboard padding from him
olive ember
idrc about the fire spreading to another poxwalker
timber bolt
What’s the build for the new sword?
runic hornet
seriously, wildfire pads your scoreboard a ton but if you're already on purgatus, every poxwalker in your range should be burning to death lickety split anyway
runic hornet
What’s the build for the new sword?
slaughterer + unstable power
perks can be whatever tbh because at that point your damage is in the stratosphere
I unironically take unarmored+infested (lol) for wildfire shenanigans and I don't notice any loss of power against flak opponents anyway
timber bolt
Okie, and flame staff is okay with it?
cyan portal
wildfire kills things far past the max range of purga though, it spreads through high density back to spawn
runic hornet
wildfire kills things far past the max range of purga though, it spreads through...
and again that's completley excessive because you are purgatus
you don't care if the mobs are at 100% or 1% hp when they get in your range because you'll instantly stunlock+kill them anyway
cyan portal
purga has short range, extending range is big imo
timber bolt
How’s the movement with the sword? Are you super slow?
runic hornet
wildfire does not cover any weaknesses of purgatus
olive ember
How’s the movement with the sword? Are you super slow?
which one you asking about
DFS or IFS
runic hornet
all the force swords have infinite dodges I thought
timber bolt
What are those acronyms
runic hornet
the illisi or deimos Force Sword
timber bolt
Oh sry
runic hornet
I dunno why people wanna abbreviate, I just say the name
timber bolt
Illisi
digital loom
i have one health curio that only rolls a t4 every 600 rolls or so
same base ps as my other curios
just unlucky
olive ember
Idrc rn cuz I'm on pc
but when im on my phone
i'd rather spell DFS, OFS, IFS over deimos, illisi, obscuruc
so yeah
timber bolt
That’s fair, I just didn’t know
cyan portal
you don't care if the mobs are at 100% or 1% hp when they get in your range beca...
most of them are 0% though, reducing significant pressure on team.
olive ember
Deimos has infinite dodges and like dueling sword dodge distance
the other two also have infinite dodges but noticeably worse dodge distance iirc
timber bolt
Oooohhhh
runic hornet
most of them are 0% though, reducing significant pressure on team.
vets with power swords are already oneshotting
zealots with heavyswords or antaxes are already slaying out
other psykers with illisi are already slaying out
ogyrns don't give a shit
timber bolt
Deimos is prolly better with the flame staff right?
runic hornet
here's the thing
cyan notch
deimos has dodge speed too
runic hornet
as purgatus
you should be on purgatus during horde
and if you're on purgatus during horde
you can't get the massive powerspike from the illisi swap
timber bolt
Gotcha
runic hornet
that makes wildfire dots go from "the enemy is softened up" to "the enemy is FUCKING DEAD"
(while you use the illisi against things that aren't poxwalkers)
timber bolt
This is very big brain.
olive ember
yeah most people pair deimos with purge or trauma or wte
runic hornet
As trauma I can weave in stunlocking maulers+crushers+bulwarks
timber bolt
Is ilisi any good agaisnt non horde enemies
runic hornet
with hardknockdowns
olive ember
illisi works with anything cuz its basically a psword
and obscurus is the deimos but with hordeclear
cyan portal
you should be on purgatus during horde
being on fs doubles burn dmg, and lets you focus on killing anything tough enough to get through. Imo you shouldn't need to be on purgatus during horde because it is dead with wildfire and fs unstable slaughterer.
olive ember
I still use the obscuruc on everything I would use the deimos on
i just don't value the single target dmg that much
runic hornet
then, go in, charge up @ 100% peril, and focus on elites while the wildfire dots boosted by my illisi instantly kill poxwalkers all around
olive ember
and if I rly need to the obscurus special does single target fine
not sure how good wildfire is on trauma and voidstrike builds
ik its actually decent on like
nexus + blazing spirit
but
digital loom
runic hornet
it's great on trauma
I tried it on voidstrike and it's not graet because as voidstrike you're often attacking at range against scattered rifles and the value from blazing spirit crits there is extremely low
also the blast radius is much smaller compared to trauma
restive slate
Pray to the toaster harder
olive ember
the problem is that the meta for both those staves are warp flurry + transfer peril (voidstrike) or warp flurry + rending shockwave (trauma)
runic hornet
as trauma you can stunlock crushers and accidentally set every single poxwalker on fire with its massive "scratch damage" range
Yeah, you lose rending shockwave which is noticeable
But by weaving trauma and your illisi for the boost on your dots
you literally just kill poxwalkers that would get in your way, in like 5 ticks
cyan notch
u can just use ab and then start killing things
olive ember
I mean the thing is if you relaly want to utilize blazing spirit
prob wanna slab nexus on it
I guess so
but in my experience if your only source of soulblaze is AB wildfire also kinda sucks
cuz it fizzles out rly quickly and the downtime is huge
runic hornet
yeah, i have a trauma with crit chance on perks, nexus and blazing spirit for blessings
Not having rending is an oof but faster kills on crushers whom you are already stunlocking is whatever compared to burning poxwalkers while you do so
it's all about not hyperspecializing past the point of usefulness
olive ember
so its only rly stand out when you can constantly apply the dot, but then its also gets kinda meh if you are applying too many stacks of the dot
so again, blazing spirit + warp nexus builds
runic hornet
Which, again, is my gripe with purgatus + wildfire
I don't think wildfire adds anything meaningful that purgatus staff is not already capable of
cyan notch
downtime is every 30s
cyan notch
it lasts for quite long as long as theres a horde to burn
olive ember
and it can't be more stacks
than wte it was spread from
so the actual effect is kinda mid
cyan portal
4 stacks is enough with the right fs though, still kills most things when its damage is more than doubled
runic hornet
yeah you don't need to spread stacks, you need those 4 spread stacks to hit like bricks
with purgatus you could just keep flaming and kill things anyway
olive ember
I mean i guess, but the time it takes to spread those stacks and then burn em you could just
walk up and purg em
cyan portal
all the way back to spawn?
runic hornet
and it's better than doing the illisi swap anyway
you have a freakin' purgatus staff, why do you NEED to illisi swap
olive ember
and against shooters its even worse cuz it takes time to spread to shooters and they have more hp than poxwalkers so it takes even longer to burn em
where as AB is just
runic hornet
just flame whatever the fuck is in range
runic hornet
elites, horde, it doesn't matter