so take that instead of slaughterer if it's just your elite/boss stick
#psyker-class
summer prairie
golden tartan
Unstable power gives way less than slaughterer
summer prairie
yes but it's more than 0
golden tartan
Iirc one stack of slaughterer is around 100% peril unstable
cyan notch
unstable power is easier to access on demand
cyan notch
yes
leaden thunder
use both
scarlet timber
so take that instead of slaughterer if it's just your elite/boss stick
so then what blessing together ?
still hearth
But yeah both seems the way to go
scarlet timber
other than unstable power?
summer prairie
you'll probably just want both if you can, but if you have to choose, for that purpose unstable power may be better
stable hare
whats the dump stat for surge staff? Warp or quell speed?
still hearth
Slaughter just so good on hordes
scarlet timber
okay what other good blesing daimos has other than those two?
scarlet timber
Slaughter just so good on hordes
dude i dont want horde clear
still hearth
Then you're outta luck
summer prairie
quell probably
cyan notch
deflector
summer prairie
someone asked for the surge dump stat
scarlet timber
quell probably
exorcist?
golden tartan
Ah
summer prairie
don't dump damage
still hearth
Accept the stun life
scarlet timber
which blessing is for quelL?
shadow onyx
Slaughter just so good on hordes
its so good*
still hearth
Exorcism for Force Sword, Transfer Peril on staff
golden tartan
which blessing is for quelL?
There are no good quell blessings for Deimos
shadow onyx
probably the best blessing
cyan notch
okay what other good blesing daimos has other than those two?
shred, uncanny
still hearth
The quelling is most important because you can repeat special
summer prairie
exorcist doesn't help you with that
scarlet timber
guys slaughterer though is very horde clearign depedant
still hearth
Just hit twice and special, speeds up the recovery time some
summer prairie
does it though, the alternative is to quell for <0.3s and passive quelling isn't much longer
still hearth
Then you didn't get in another attack
golden tartan
The quelling is most important because you can repeat special
Tbf i dunno if you wanna special on the deimos vs bosses
still hearth
Dps loss
golden tartan
H2 might have higher DPS
still hearth
scarlet timber
hmm unstable power + shred?
still hearth
I've actually not used Deimos
golden tartan
Cos the H2 fucking shreds
still hearth
Shred is probably good for single target
golden tartan
It does like 70-80% the damage of a special
still hearth
Just don't miss
golden tartan
Yea shred is really easy to drop
still hearth
Just do special H2
golden tartan
Just do special H2
Special doesnt increase the damage of H2
Its the same as a special H1
stable hare
Best i could do for know. What to change? I know terrifying goes to flurry but perks?
golden tartan
L1 H2 spam i think is the highest DPS
still hearth
Dude
cyan notch
special isnt for dps its for 1 shotting stuff
golden tartan
special isnt for dps its for 1 shotting stuff
Which the H2... one shots most things
still hearth
How can empowered H2 not do more damage
summer prairie
carapace to flak and it's great
golden tartan
The big one iirc is mutant where special winns out
cyan notch
Which the H2... one shots most things
not mutants in the back not maulers
summer prairie
elite damage is pretty good for surge
golden tartan
not mutants in the back not maulers
Hence most things
leaden thunder
simply hit the mutant in the face then
golden tartan
Yea the deimos' H2 is batshit insane
cyan notch
Hence most things
ok and i know this u know this why are you telling me that
stable hare
carapace to flak and it's great
Thanks!
still hearth
The only elites it does much damage to is shotgunners, maulers and scab ragers, no?
golden tartan
The only elites it does much damage to is shotgunners, maulers and scab ragers, ...
It deals bonus to flak ye
and cara
I dont think it has maniac mult
stable hare
cara is like 2 enemies no? Elites are kinda way more
lucid olive
saveable?
summer prairie
surge can one-shot two flak gunners/shotgunners
still hearth
Oh, yeah gunners too I guess.
lethal folio
With buffs up it will oneshot maulers.
golden tartan
saveable?
Wont be meta but drop Ripostle for Slaughterer and swap out stamina for insert damage perk
still hearth
That's not how it works
golden tartan
Well except for sprint
still hearth
And ressing, and blocking
lethal folio
I cap out at 1630 damage on mauler head with this.
still hearth
And currently built in deflector
golden tartan
And ressing, and blocking
Block -> Peril
i guess you swap out crit if you are runnign MiM instead
still hearth
10% crit damage is just absolutely trash
golden tartan
Thats fair
cyan notch
stamina helps peril blocking
golden tartan
Both perks are garbo
urban hearth
a wins a win....
still hearth
Which you get for free now
urban hearth
which one do i rip out
summer prairie
does uncanny strike apply a few stacks before the special big damage procs
lethal folio
Yes.
lethal folio
But rending doesn't matter, force strike is 100% to everything but flak which gets 200%.
still hearth
Lmao
stable hare
yo, surge staff slaps
stable hare
They both do
karmic delta
Trauma is where its ta
still hearth
Idk about running Quicken. I'd probably still run AB or Barrage
Unless you want to spend a lot of time getting stacks back
still hearth
You get one free shout then you gotta BB or sit there and hope for stacks
faint vault
I like the way you think.
still hearth
I think Quicken is in a nice spot but it doesn't synergize super well with staffs
Like its not bad but you get a free shout but lose your damage buffs
And if you want to staff more then Tranquil might be better
Though something like 3-1-2-1-3-1
faint vault
But the damage bonus from unleashed and six stacks is sick on the trauma staff... I kinda want to sit at high peril and just quell for a second in between high peril casts.
still hearth
Gives you a lot of CDR to play with
shy prairie
rub the sword
free toughness
still hearth
Yeah if you want to run like that then I'd probably run Barrage, just for the sniping convenience
faint vault
Yeah
shy prairie
I do be using the barrage
faint vault
Any thoughts on wildfire? Got a staff with blaze 4 on it....
faint vault
Yeah, the BB combo is nice - run it on basically all my pug builds, but it would be fun to try something else.
still hearth
Like it wont jump to valid targets
faint vault
Weird. Does the damage from the spread even make a difference at 5?
still hearth
You can get a domino kind of effect from the flames if you stack it enough
faint vault
That's what I'm worried about. I kinda synergises well with a pinning shot shredder for the extra stagger... buuut otherwise... Eeeeh
Cool
It*
still hearth
I think the biggest benefit of Wildfire is to get 10% chance to get Warp Charges from AB
faint vault
That's true
lethal folio
Wildfire can't get more than 4 stacks on an enemy.
so it isn't likely to kill something.
Scab shooters are the biggest thing it will kill.
real silo
my ult sometimes hit no one, thats normal? ·_·
i have like a full horde in front of me, i throw the F, nothing happens
ult goes on cd
lilac tapir
my ult sometimes hit no one, thats normal? ·_·
that can also happen when you're in the air (jumping up in place or jumping down from even a small ledge)
real silo
i think i was falling a little when i drop it last time
lilac tapir
yup that would definitely be the case then
happened to me so many times, so many great horde-clearing ABs wasted 😦
real silo
just lost a game to that ult
still hearth
Shredder not too bad
Low int so that's why the damage numbers are so low
I tried to run AB + Wildfire with Shredder
Mostly to get the 10% chance to get stacks from it
It was pretty reliable to shout into a horde and then get full stacks
woeful cliff
I was wondering, since you can just block ranged now, why does deflector exist
leaden thunder
it's a bug that we can
woeful cliff
o
worldly chasm
A bug, you mean what the force swords were actually intended to do, but FS deemed that would be to good, so made them blessings instead. Almost as if these new force swords were created at the same time as the Mk2 was, shelved for "content drip", while the Mk 2 was tweaked for live removing the deflector.
Put my tin foil hat away now
worldly chasm
Literally just turn deflector into bullets are reflected, like you know.. the name suggests
still hearth
Shredder kinda good
I think Quicken + Flayer felt better
I also tried Essence Harvest and ew
It felt so slow
lethal folio
I don't want it because ranged block means shield weapon, and shield weapons are not allowed to be good.
past parrot
So is this Illis Sword just wicked good? I ran this on Damnation and it felt pretty good
tired estuary
I don't think that's a good illisi, I think Illisi is just really good by default lol
past parrot
I don't think that's a good illisi, I think Illisi is just really good by defaul...
I built it at level 19
tired estuary
oh lol
still, illisi is def in ps/hs/bb tier where it doesn't need much to be really strong imo
past parrot
Just upgraded to this:
spice veldt
I recommend slapping Slaughterer onto your force swords
past parrot
All I want is Slaughterer
spice veldt
damn
past parrot
Is blood thristy kinda good?
spice veldt
it was nerfed this patch, but it's still nice if you're spamming specials
tired estuary
better for illisi than other fs
past parrot
or is it like if I cleave a horde only 1 target is insta crit?
spice veldt
the crit applies to all targets hit
it was sadly nerfed from having crits on all attacks for 5 seconds to only your next attack within 5 seconds
tired estuary
there will still be dmg dropoff from cleave but yeah just flush riposte for slaughter and you're good to go
that might be for best since the sword is already so good lol
cyan notch
yea but the other 2 fs suffer for it
trim cargo
is warp nexus better than flurry for purg?
still hearth
I'd say so
You don't benefit much from Flurry
Since charging it just means you flame for longer, it doesn't affect damage.
Flurry mostly saves you peril
still hearth
Flurry is mid on Purg
Doesn't affect the DPS much
Nexus makes things die much faster when crits are rolling
trim cargo
yeah im trying to up dps as much as possible
still hearth
But its one of those "either option doesn't do much" deals in my eyes
cyan notch
i dont think its much faster
trim cargo
Is there a better blessing to run?
cyan notch
crits on purg deal less damage with direct hits anyway
still hearth
Its the stacks that matter
And once you're at 15 stacks it doesn't really matter much, you're better off swapping to your other weapons
cyan notch
ur maxed in 2 full charges anything that isnt dead then doesnt benefit from nexus
if its a bon u might as well keep flaming
still hearth
You should swap to BB once you're at max stacks
And do 2x BB, back to purge for reset stacks
For that optimal DPS strat
cyan notch
who came up with this
still hearth
Me
cyan notch
why 2 random bbs
cyan notch
i dont think bb does more than direct flame
valid marsh
How good are the new swords?
cyan notch
what is 16 x3
still hearth
48
past parrot
Am I missing anything major for Psyker feats? Just hit level 30 and this is what looked good to me (Illis + Purge staff):
still hearth
Then you do 3s of flaming compared to 3s of BB
cyan notch
what is that number what
trim cargo
I BB and purg mostly and play high damnation all day long. works nice
cyan notch
it does like hundreds
spice veldt
How good are the new swords?
very good
cyan notch
no
still hearth
Ok then
cyan notch
it doesnt do 16 damage wtf
still hearth
It does 16 damage per tick and ticks every 0.34s
cyan notch
no
it scales with the number of dots and how long u hold it for
it can do like 400 on the last tick
if u test in the meat grinder youll see numbers that go 200+ 300+
and thats not dot cuz dot doesnt go that high
summer prairie
do lmb only and maintain the stacks that way and then compare full charge rmb only
cyan notch
what does that do
summer prairie
to see the difference of mostly dot damage and both dot + direct
still hearth
I honestly can't tell because the damage numbers float together a lot
summer prairie
vs boss
still hearth
I think its actually just that the timing of the stacks
Makes it look like you're doing more damage
Because I get super inconsistent results on BoN
Sometimes the last tick does 300, sometimes it says 400
cyan notch
max stacks dot is a constant number its like idk 213 or some shit
cyan notch
theres some weird splitting of the damage numbers or something sometimes when it crits it will only show max of 135 yellow
youll never see a crit for like 300 or something
still hearth
I'm still 100% sure its just how the damage numbers shows
Though almost all armor types take more than 100% damage from the secondary
summer prairie
if dot and direct damage occur sufficiently close to each other, it looks like it adds them up
still hearth
It does seem correct that the damage increases over time, though. But that's really hard to test
Hmm
I have no idea actually 
It doesn't increase by just letting the flame run and then going onto the target
summer prairie
Pure lmb dot maintenance was 237dps vs monster, full charge rmb 330dps
still hearth
And the damage numbers merging makes it hard to tell
summer prairie
no warp unleashed, had nexus though
patent steeple
rate my purge feat selections, please... i am willing to try out something like this. also sorry about the uncropped pic lol
still hearth
Not bad. Lacerations isn't super worth it so I'd rather run Aura to get AB back, but its not a big deal.
summer prairie
lmb stacks only + bb was 440dps no barrage or lacerations
still hearth
I mean, Lacerations will make your boss damage pop.
patent steeple
Not bad. Lacerations isn't super worth it so I'd rather run Aura to get AB back,...
ehhh yeah, but i like the capability to support my team in killing a boss, because since bosses are only a detriment with no rewards i kinda want to get them to die as quickly as possible...
still hearth
Yeah, its definitely got its niche.
+25% damage on top of Unleashed and max stacked burn
Is a ton of damage
patent steeple
but i see your point, so maybe now that psyker is good at killing stuff i can finally swap back to aura or something...
summer prairie
pure bb is better dps vs bosses than pure purg dot
still hearth
To be fair you're not likely to need AB that often, even.
So Lacerations is good just to nuke bosses.
patent steeple
so my usual build of WU, Communion, peril block, Battery, and KB is just better?
still hearth
They fill different niches so I can't say if one is better or worse.
If you run KB I'd run Lacerations, though
summer prairie
bb with warp unleashed, lacerations and mostly 6 stacks is 481 dps vs bosses which is still pretty bad
cyan notch
bb with warp unleashed, lacerations and mostly 6 stacks is 481 dps vs bosses whi...
i got 494 with pure rmb purg
summer prairie
my dagger is 1335dps, granted a rather ideal scenario
@cyan notch: that test was with 0 stacks and no warp unleashed
cyan notch
mine was 0 stacks but with warp unleashed cuz ur gonna be using it anyway
summer prairie
I didn't use it because I was testing it vs pure dot only to get a better idea
patent steeple
bb with warp unleashed, lacerations and mostly 6 stacks is 481 dps vs bosses whi...
i mean yes, so i think i could run aura (at least with the build i showed earlier because i want to get charges passively sometimes and Communion helps with that so i am prob never going to use Lacerations when running KB), because i kinda need to use my ult to get out of a horde-on-all-sides situation (which happens too often for me regardless of what class i play, i dunno if i am doing something wrong in my playstyle)
past parrot
Do staffs share blessings?
still hearth
Nope
still hearth
Flurry is great on Void and Trauma, good on the other two.
past parrot
I kind of like how mine just makes it easier to flame more:
spice veldt
I particularly like Focused Channeling for Trauma
past parrot
and is warp resistance the dump stat?
dawn orchid
Does the new warp unleashed affect dots?
still hearth
Yes.
summer prairie
flurry is of a bit questionable utility on purg unless maybe you run tranquility
leaden thunder
still hearth
And Warp Resistance is
Not necessarily a dump stat
It depends on what you prioritize
It is better to have it high if you run Flurry
past parrot
a lot of my feats want me at high peril anyway
still hearth
Yeah but Flurry loses all stacks if you have to Quell
So its mostly for Voidstrike that you want low Warp Resistance because you can use Transfer Peril
Which makes low Warp Res almost a pure benefit
spice veldt
damage is a bit of a dump stat on trauma as long as you have at least 60%
olive ember
Am I missing anything major for Psyker feats? Just hit level 30 and this is what...
I'd recommend swapping communion for Aura and then Quicken for AB, with AB you will be getting your stacks back from purging and then you can use Aura to refund your CD
plush glacier
What staff blessing matter? I haven't really seen any that sound amazing
for void, I like Warp Flurry and Transfer Peril. let's you fire near infinitely without quelling on any decent size group
for trauma, I like Warp Flurry and Focused Channeling. let's you channel ridiculously fast at 3+ stacks of Warp Flurry and you have to expose yourself to fire more with trauma so the lack of interruption is quite noticeable
the other staves I don't have a ton of fun with so I don't really use 👀
olive ember
it also provides a little bit of team util
dawn orchid
So what's up with the illisi? I'm testing it in the psyk and it just seems like a power sword but much worse
leaden thunder
still hearth
Its a Power Sword
leaden thunder
not entirely wrong, but it's still pretty damn good
dawn orchid
But way less killing power
still hearth
Nope
dawn orchid
still hearth
Its just as good with the right blessings
dawn orchid
doubt.jpg
still hearth
In fact it might be better since Psyker gets a stupid 49% damage boost
olive ember
So what's up with the illisi? I'm testing it in the psyk and it just seems like ...
its a powersword, but it becomes an hsword uncharged
just use
cyan notch
this is just naked no blessings no buffs heavy special
olive ember
heavies instead of lights
still hearth
Slaughterer + Your choice of Power Buff
olive ember
Slaughterer + Deflector* Fixed
ornate hamlet
How high does warp nexus go? II?
still hearth
Illisi does like 10 less damage on heavy special compared to power sword
olive ember
How high does warp nexus go? II?
at T4 its +20% crit at 80% peril
still hearth
Nexus goes to T4
If they remove built in Deflector there's no way I'll run Deflector
plush glacier
psykers are already so good at dealing with hordes I don't feel compelled to run the Illisi. I'd only consider it if I were running a surge staff, which is notably bad at hordes
still hearth
I've not ran Deflector before and I ain't starting now
ornate hamlet
at T4 its +20% crit at 80% peril
Daaaang that sounds sweet
still hearth
Illisi is just good at everything though
It kills single target, hordes, dogs, your taxes
olive ember
smh deflector hater
still hearth
Deflector sucks because you lose damage
shy prairie
Illisi could finance a Dauntless Light Cruiser while I was asleep and still get a good deal
plush glacier
Deimos is better at specials/elites, which is when I'm rolling into melee usually
cyan notch
single target is not as good as deimos
dawn orchid
Illisi does like 10 less damage on heavy special compared to power sword
But I can get more swings on the power sword for each activation, especially with cycler (that I have)
leaden thunder
I mean
still hearth
You're not wrong
leaden thunder
one is the best melee weapon in the game
still hearth
But also Power Sword is broken OP
But you also lose all mobility and what else are you gonna use on Psyker
Claw?
plush glacier
let us not neglect that simple fact that Diemos is the coolest looking force sword. that is an important factor
still hearth
Diemos looks like a pp
ornate hamlet
harpoooon
dawn orchid
So not as good then, but still a better alternative than most
What about blazing spirit and shred?
ornate hamlet
I want like 50 more skulls on my force sword
olive ember
I mean if the illisi wasn't good we would just default back on to the antax
or the obscurus kek
still hearth
Illisi is like the biggest S tier weapon Psyker has no aside from Antax imo.
I haven't tried Diemos but its probably also great since they apparently use the same attack values
olive ember
the deimos is just light -> heavy stab combo
cyan notch
they all have the same attacks uncharged
still hearth
How is that not stupid
olive ember
until psyker is as strong as vet its underpowered and needs buffs
still hearth
Apparently the new one is also super bugged
olive ember
yep yep
dawn orchid
What about blazing spirit and shred?
For illisi blessings
cyan notch
For illisi blessings
bad
dawn orchid
In conjunction with purge staff and related talents
still hearth
Blazing Spirit is just always trash
cyan notch
no slaughterer = less cleave = bad
still hearth
The only reason to run it is to farm AB charges
leaden thunder
cyan notch
doesnt shred go poof on block anyway
cyan notch
yea thats not happening
still hearth
Bloodthirsty + Blazing would be decent on Illisi but why do that when you can instead have 20.5 cleave swings that do this
cyan notch
yea ultra cleave with slaughterer is too good to give up
especially for a horde blender weapon
dawn orchid
Just keep swinging
still hearth
You actually do more damage than Power Sword
Because of Psyker charges
So
In fact you do way more with the first target
steel flame
Also WU
still hearth
Psword does 761 to most enemies, Illsi can do up to 1030
gilded viper
help this poor gunpsyker out, is this good or nah?
steel flame
Numbers
olive ember
help this poor gunpsyker out, is this good or nah?
swap out barrage for flurry and yeah
gilded viper
should i get it?
cyan notch
whats ur current surge
still hearth
Do it
dawn orchid
Did they actually fix flurry cutting some of the damage off surge staff?
gilded viper
i forgot mine is kinda good semi
still hearth
It definitely seems better lately
gilded viper
haven't used surge (or stave in general) in a long while this ok or should i switch it up a b it?
still hearth
For Surge?
olive ember
3/1/2/1/3/3
gilded viper
yeah
gilded viper
ornate hamlet
Do the saveable loadouts keep your feats in place?
sweet vault
could i get your opinion on this force sword? i have not really played psyker all that much and have no idea what this sword needs in terms of perks and second blessing
summer prairie
it's good
sweet vault
im thinking slaughterer is normally good on anything, so ill keep that, same with flak armor damage
cyan notch
change riposte to whatever u want unstable for more damage or deflector for utility or whatever
ornate hamlet
hey what are the best blessings for a trauma staff?
sacred pumice
hey what are the best blessings for a trauma staff?
I run blazing spirit and rending shockwave because I think they're cool but warp nexus and warp flurry are both solid picks too
cyan notch
they should give unstable power to staves
leaden thunder
warp flurry + rending shockwave or warp nexus + blazing
cyan notch
🤯
olive ember
hey what are the best blessings for a trauma staff?
what sean said
sacred pumice
rending for team, blazing for yourself, both if you're silly
summer prairie
flurry+focused is good too
sacred pumice
with peril buffs it's just pretty good with whatever
bold flint
finally got the drip
lucid olive
hadron keeps bricking my illisi's
elder pewter
do our swords all have deflector since patch
cyan notch
exorcist slaughterer isnt bad
still hearth
Is it right that you can only get one Exorcist proc per hit?
sterile vale
Oough just got a Slaughterer Deflector illisi
still hearth
Per attack*
cyan notch
i think so
still hearth
Ew
cyan notch
good enough anyway ur just dropping below 100
subtle linden
with the new illisi horde clear + special purger...
im starting to really like the force trauma staff with it
dawn orchid
Petition to add blazing spirit to the surge staff
olive ember
I just want them to buff surge staff in general
make its damage not dogshit and make it hit like atleast 3x more targets
dawn orchid
Yeah, the damage is absurdly shit. Even non-stop casting you're guaranteed 4th place in damage every game, maybe 3 if someone is trolling especially hard
ember hornet
that's pretty much BIS recon after a blessing swap and perk swap right
olive ember
um
ember hornet
I'll probably do infernus for the funny
ember hornet
I know it's still ass lol
ornate hamlet
Tried out the trauma staff, actually pretty sweet
shy prairie
my fellow psykers
gilded viper
ok guys im i crazy or are sniper scope just invisable 90% of the time
shy prairie
exorcist iv useful on any forceswords
summer prairie
not really
shy prairie
olive ember
bleh
exorcist
I think the only time people genuinely thought exorcist was BiS was like way back in december
gilded viper
exorcist is kinda weird imo, especially if the gameplan is to use peril scaling blessing/feat
quelling is also super fast that it make me wonder is it just worth just weaving in a 1 sec R and call it a day
gilded viper
no >.<
dawn orchid
Even on vet
gilded viper
recon can work trust 
dawn orchid
With the power of the scoreboard mod I can see with objective measurements how bad the guns are
I'd say wait for buffs but I've been doing that for months now and they keep not doing it
gilded viper
tbh i don't range ever going to get balance
out of all the balance done to range wepaon we only got blessing nerf and ogyrn range changes
well i guess HH did got a buff
stable hare
how important is blast radius for the trauma staff?
lethal folio
Very Important.
dawn orchid
HH and helbores were buffed substantially, as was autopistol. Columnus IAG also got buffed, although the rest of the fast firing variants did not.
olive ember
@dawn orchid I don't think you've realized that @gilded viper has been running recon psyker for months now kek
its like their go to weapon on psyker lmao
stable hare
Aw damn theres this available to buy
gilded viper
hey i make sure my teammate get ammo before me
olive ember
YOU'RE THE ONE STEALING MY AMMO AND DOING NO DAMAGE
ALL MINE
gilded viper
i don't like wasting all my ammo and be "that guy"
stable hare
What to change?
ember hornet
lmao, my second slaughterer 4 roll in a row
olive ember
What to change?
swap sustained fire for warp flurry
swap groaner and poxwalker perk to unarmored or something
frank lake
spice veldt
we got a bootleg power sword and we quell way faster
our feats were buffed and so did warp charges (decay one-by-one instead of dropping all of them)
spice veldt
god I'm reminded of how shit psyker was before
olive ember
god I'm reminded of how shit psyker was before
wdym you didn't like the 85% peril blow up
honest frigate
psyker was never really shit
olive ember
no it is beyond shit
honest frigate
just not as good, but still good
olive ember
it will stay beyond shit
spice veldt
with purg and all that
spice veldt
but more clunky before
spice veldt
whaddya mean you guys
olive ember
nope
spice veldt
don't lump me with derpy
olive ember
Lmao
spice veldt
I think that psyker right now is a bit too strong
olive ember
say it with me
spice veldt
no
olive ember
Psyker is underpowered dogshti because it isn't as strong as vet
no, don't look at zealot, look at vet
spice veldt
no
still hearth
Meanwhile Ogryns say they're stronger than Vet
olive ember
camo expert vets aren't even that good
the 75% DR toughness Vet is actually stupid tho
dawn bluff
but it's funny looking at everything standing still while you tap at them
when you're perched on some boxes
gilded viper
i wish psyker can have that level of thoughness DR
whole oxide
how important is blast radius for the trauma staff?
It really isn't important, people just think big number better
gilded viper
Again Psyker is underpowered trash
olive ember
gilded viper
can't wait for to buff this to 25-75% DR
leaden thunder
tbh
the vet one will probably get toned down at some point
I do think kinetic should go to like ~50%
leaden thunder
15% passive with another talent
but it's multiplicative or something so it doesn't get you 75% with both
ogryn has like 35% on hp and toughness
and can get a further 50% against other ogryns
zealot and ogryn are both melee bruisers so it makes sense they have dr
vet's stuff is just way over tuned atm
olive ember
Slaughterer is +75% power at max stacks
and then +20% power with 80 + peril
+25% damage at 100 peril
so yeah
lots and lots of damage stacking
gaunt stone
Someone told me psykers are busted now what did we get that makes us cracked now?
fierce sinew
warp unleashed
steep shuttle
My Illisi sword blocks bullets even though the only blessing it has is Slaughterer 3
gilded viper
alot of things
gaunt stone
Is that a new talent choice?
fierce sinew
remember that bad feat that only boosted damage on some force weapons
gaunt stone
Yeah
fierce sinew
it's now 10-25% to everything
olive ember
warp flurry works on purge and surge staff now
gaunt stone
Omg
olive ember
passive quelling has been reverted
fierce sinew
e v e r y t h i n g
olive ember
even buffed
olive ember
so the old passive quell on non force melee is back
the new force swords also drain like 2x as fast as before
the active quell is even more cracked
olive ember
its like 10% quell instantly, and you go from like 100 to 50 in like a second
steep shuttle
Stab sword kinda neat but I like the sweep sword more
olive ember
they added a discount powersword in the form of the illisi force sword
and they added a better thammer with dueling sword dodge distance + infinite dodges in the form of the deimos
steep shuttle
they added a discount powersword in the form of the illisi force sword
superior
fierce sinew
multiplicative power bonuses are busted, quell is now faster than ever because they both buffed the rate and changed the curve so it doesn't need to ramp up like before, flurry fixed, new force swords have deflector built in for some reason just because (not sure this lasts, but lmao)
marble wedge
what curios should i be building for psyker?
gaunt stone
So what are we running now can I see some sexy screenshots?
fierce sinew
tldr solid patch/10
gaunt stone
Can't get on until tonight but you got me hyped
proper elbow
How does Psykinetic's Aura work? Do I have to get the elite kill or just any ally in coherency?
olive ember
Whoever kills the elite gets 15% CDR iirc
so its selfish team support in that it only effects whoever kills the elite
but hey its better than no CDR for no one
wet belfry
Weirdly enough even with all the buffs i still think psyker will be the weakest class in the game
spice veldt
the psyker must get the elite kill
and the CDR refresh applies to all allies in coherency
e.g., if a veteran kills an elite while in coherency with me, they get no CDR. But if I get an elite kill and they are in coherency with me, me and the veteran will get the CDR
olive ember
tf
thats like
the opposite of what I heard
which was
the elite kill refunds the CDR for whoever killed the elite, as long as they are within psyker coherency
spice veldt
i used to think that but it's been confirmed to work that way now
spice veldt
gets fun when there's another psyker on your team with it
mellow dock
Guys
gaunt stone
Ty will watch in a little
mellow dock
i wish it encompassed all things with a gun
leaden thunder
wait it gunner and reaper
correct
which is still pretty good
mainly for reapers
imo
leaden thunder
it's been tested quite a lot afaik
idle bay
I'm loosing last hope in humanity - there is a MOD that changes Roman numbers into Arabic ones. Seriously?
spice veldt
just a removal of a little abstraction i suppose
and whenever I refer to numbers that require more than one roman symbol (e.g., MG XII), I just prefer to use the arabic symbols anyways
idle bay
It breaks WH40k taxonomy
And we don't even started touching Mechanicum's taxonomy with greek letters 🙂
spice veldt
for whatever reason, I have so many fucking purgatus staffs that have like 80 in every stat except quell speed
what the fuck
i'm looking through my inventory to just earn blessings and sell shit and I notice this weird ass trend with my purg staffs
idle bay
Maybe some specific RNG seed bound to your character ? 🙂
spice veldt
damn I didn't get the RNG seed that gave me trauma staffs with 80 in everything except damage
idle bay
damn I didn't get the RNG seed that gave me trauma staffs with 80 in everything ...
My RNG seed prevents me from obtaining 380 Surge staffs.
long osprey
For my fellow psykers, if you spread wildfire around and you swap for your weapon with slaughterer blessing, the kills from wildfire trigger the slaughterer proc
So with a big horde you can have slaughterer active at all time as lon GB as the fire goes
idle bay
Is AB still can trigger from party members Soulfire kills?
spice veldt
I think I've read a discord message post-patch saying that AB procced warp charges from a teammate's soulblaze kills?
shy inlet
Does surge even work on this?
idle bay
Was it reported as a bug and acknowledged?
fierce sinew
Not fixed yet and probably completely overlooked by Fatshark 🙂
if the multiple instances of the same DoT interact the way it's been recently speculated it's probably intentional
idle bay
if the multiple instances of the same DoT interact the way it's been recently sp...
Like benefeting from bleed inflicted by other players for Ogryn's feats?
fierce sinew
specifically, if you and I soulblaze the same enemy, our stacks use the same pool, but "belong" (for the purposes of buffs, perks and so on) to whoever put it on first
if AB didn't work the way it currently does, it might create a situation where psykers prevented each others' AB from working at all
idle bay
But for now it can result Psyker stealing charges from each other when AB procs ? 🙂
Only one gets it
fierce sinew
I don't think it's a for now thing is what I'm saying
if the above is actually how DoTs behave, making AB source agnostic makes sense
because what would be worse than the current behavior (which is powerful and fun and everyone likes) is flaming a whole map and never getting any procs because someone else touched the mobs first
past parrot
Do you guys do Toughness or HP curios on Psyker? (pls react to vote; toughness could not have an H due to HP occupying it)
fierce sinew
"fixing" AB might involve a wholesale rework of how DoTs work in the game, and that's juice that doesn't seem worth the squeeze
spice veldt
Do you guys do Toughness or HP curios on Psyker? (pls react to vote; toughness c...
I personally run toughness curios-- x2 toughness and +3 stam
idle bay
Do you guys do Toughness or HP curios on Psyker? (pls react to vote; toughness c...
x2 HP and +3 Stamina one.
olive ember
Do you guys do Toughness or HP curios on Psyker? (pls react to vote; toughness c...
I run 2 hp and a wound
some people run 1 hp 1 toughness 1 stam
some people run 3 toughness
idle bay
Some players using Wound Curios notice at some point that they go down quite rarely and switch them off to something else at some point.
past parrot
I feel like I actually do pretty good on Toughness with recharging it via quells
wet belfry
2 health, 1 toughness
olive ember
Some players using Wound Curios notice at some point that they go down quite rar...
idk what you mean
fierce sinew
it matters less than some people make out, other than wounds marking you as a goofball for everyone to see
mint stump
has anyone done a comparison of the new force swords? I can't really tell the difference
olive ember
wounds are the mathematically superior health optoin clearly
runic hornet
i'm a 1-1-1 myself
1 HP was great insurance against shotgunners, still helps against snipers
1 wound because I trust most of my teams and I can often make sure to go down in a convenient place, and it also saves you in situations where you need a "double rescue"
1 toughness is then the filler to make life slightly easier all around
idle bay
wounds are the mathematically superior health optoin clearly
Mathematically yes indeed 🙂
olive ember
i'm a 1-1-1 myself
1 HP was great insurance against shotgunners, still helps aga...
you've already lost when you trust your team
past parrot
I had a guy in a Malice run named "YouBetterNotSuck" or something like that and he was running 3 wound Zealot knife and kept dying 😅
he also trash talked our level 15 shield Ogryn
clear heath
I have nice hp and toughness numbers
wet belfry
Respectable
past parrot
1st Malice run in awhile and it completed the bingo card in one go
runic hornet
you've already lost when you trust your team
shockingly I find I can sherpa most pugs with liberal use of pings
the ones I can't that die, I'm not emotionally attached to clutching anyway and I usually just let myself die so I can get a new lobby
idle bay
Store extension is fully operational again if you missed it
And again: Does anyone reported that Surge T4 Blessing only affects Primary fire on Trauma? I don't remeber seeing it in bug section on forums. Not reported bug = not fixed bug.
leaden thunder
only primary on truama I believe
olive ember
And again: Does anyone reported that Surge T4 Blessing only affects Primary fire...
its been like that
idle bay
only primary on truama I believe
Maybe it should not behave like that and affect secondary as well? And we don't really know
clear heath
Doesn't it only affect primary for things in general?
olive ember
no surge blessing affects secondary on voidstrike
clear heath
i remember people saying it only affects primary on voidstrike
idle bay
I don't have such staff+ blessing combo on my char - so no materials to make bug report
clear heath
oh damn
olive ember
no
tbf even on voidstrike its a meme
if you are running meta its warp flurry + transfer peril
if you are running critstrike its nexus + blazing spirit (with wildfire)
so yeah
mint stump
are the force staffs actually meta, though?
fierce sinew
purg 100% is
gilded viper
sheeeesh 400k damage
olive ember
and autopistol psyker I'd say is arguably meta
so 5 builds, one for each staff, and then autopistol build
gilded viper
deimon sword is really fun
mint stump
the Deimos Mk IV force sword?
gilded viper
yeah
mint stump
how does it compare to the Illisi and the Obscurus?
spice veldt
i find it hilarious that people are misspelling the names of the new force swords
mint stump
on paper it has really high base damage
spice veldt
just seeing a different misspelling each time
gilded viper
idk how it compare really, but deimon feel like a FS that don't need to use it speical, feel like h2 just do more damage faster then charging it up
spice veldt
that light damage you see is just for the 1st light
spice veldt
idk how it compare really, but deimon feel like a FS that don't need to use it s...
you fucker
spice veldt
oh i thought you were intentionally messing with me after I said that
gilded viper
-no im just that dumb
spice veldt
smh
hearty dagger
I really like the illici force sword, it's honestly what i really wanted while running the obscure. The dellpc one doesn't really do it for me but i can see why people would like it
spice veldt
dellpc
spice veldt
illisi is the "spam it at the horde brainlessly" one so I like it
don't care if a rager is in that horde cuz it has enough cleave to smack his ass
gilded viper
i just accept my defeat to the hounds, they so inconstant that if i don't kill them in rage i just know i fail
mint stump
I really like the recon lasgun though...
gilded viper
based
ornate hamlet
recon psykers rise up
olive ember
oh no
mint stump
I'm going to try the purgatus staff for a bit and see if I like it more than the recon lasgun
hearty dagger
I do dig the recon because of the unholy firepower, but the voidstick is just too much fun
dawn orchid
how you feel
Feel about what
ornate hamlet
recon's biggest problem to me is tap firing
ornate hamlet
it has a delay before you can shoot again
hearty dagger
recon's biggest problem to me is tap firing
You mean to tell me you don't just slam an entire mag into a poxwalker?
Like the emperor intended?
clear heath
I don't like how little the stagger is on recon
stable hare
What enemy armor type does the purgatus affect when burning enemies with stacks?
past parrot
If Recon Las killed stuff it'd actually be pretty good
stable hare
i mean on enemies that have multiple armor types
clear heath
i shoot things 10 times with recon and it just walks up to me and hits me
hearty dagger
I don't think we used the same recon las
olive ember
best gun in game
mint stump
if there's something the recon lasgun can't kill easily, you brainburst it
hearty dagger
Whenever i ran it it just melted
fierce sinew
i mean on enemies that have multiple armor types
every enemy has a base type
dawn orchid
The whole line is unfortunately just numerically lacking in every way. Low dps, low ammo efficiency, low stagger/suppression despite having collateral.
fierce sinew
you can see in the meatgrinder
spice veldt
i mean on enemies that have multiple armor types
it depends; for example, both scab and dreg shotgunners/gunners have a base armour type of flak
dawn orchid
As someone who wants to like the guns and is eagerly waiting for fatshark to buff them, I can't recommend them to anyone in the meantime.
hearty dagger
Accatran gaming and revolver gaming is pretty pog rn
clear heath
they need better ammo efficiency imo
gilded viper
i won't say the recon is the best in the game even if i was trolling, but it my favorite one just because of the fun factor
but with how easy t5 is where u can runn the METAGUNPSYKER BUILD tm and still do it well the game isn't that hard to feel like u need to use meta
stable hare
it depends; for example, both scab and dreg shotgunners/gunners have a base armo...
i see
dawn orchid
They are fun, I loved gatling lasers in fallout. But they NEED some positive adjustments.
clear heath
no stagger is kind of the unique thing about it, so it can keep that despite how much i hate it
it's like a really fast fox laser
dawn orchid
They should swap collateral for stopping power if they're not gonna stagger anything anyway
leaden thunder
they might be marginally less shit after this last patch
with the deathspitter changes
mint stump
OK void stick is fun
dawn orchid
mk2 is absolute garbo dps
leaden thunder
7a is the slow one right?
mint stump
what about mk6d?
dawn orchid
6d is the fast firing with inverted falloff, as is normal for a lasgun
leaden thunder
the 7a can get 2.4 hitmass pen with both deathspitter and dumdum
but uh
still can't 2 shot a poxy with body shots
dawn orchid
Thing is, 7a is still wildly inferior in actual damage output to real spraying weapons
Agri brauto has pierce, fuckload of stagger and suppress
(also has deathspitter and fire frenzy)
Insane dps
leaden thunder
also fire frenzy and deathspiiter is multiplicative I beleive
dawn orchid
And then there's autopistol
mint stump
agri brauto?
dawn orchid
Agri braced auto
My agri brauto does 2080 dps to mutants without volley fire on
Absolutely melts everythings
whole oxide
thing about the recons, is that they have zero recoil, can easily pour an entire mag into a weakspot from across the map, not missing a single shot
dawn orchid
They do have recoil, it's just more slight
leaden thunder
also no recoil is like not that much of an upside imo
not if they loose that much damage for it
mint stump
oh, psykers don't get access to the braced autoguns
dawn orchid
You will start missing shots at 30m if you aren't compensating a bit
Yeah, that's the thing. The recons have stability, but AWFUL dps and ammo efficiency, even compared to other stable guns.
Vraks 3 for example
whole oxide
i play the 6d with infernus-4 and wrack&ruin + kinetic flayer, it does just fine
dawn orchid
6d is the least awful variant when properly tricked out
ornate hamlet
Finally got a psyker outfit I like! Imperial Edition muns had a good use.
dawn orchid
But it's still subpar to meta options
dawn orchid
And it BLOWS through ammo on damnation
whole oxide
it doesn't blwo through ammo
dawn orchid
It does
whole oxide
if you're not mag dumping into everything
gilded viper
it does
whole oxide
well, I rarely run out
dawn orchid
I can rarely run out if I'm hoovering all the ammo
whole oxide
Illi sword for hordes, BB for elites, recon for shooters
i don't even need to take ammo if there's a vet in party
gilded viper
yeah recon is good if u don't use it 100% of the mission, got to be selective on when to use it
dawn orchid
Not quite, no
leaden thunder
execpt other weapons
you can do the same thing
and are just better
like statistically better
dawn orchid
That's saying it can be good if you aren't using it most of the time
Which is a very interesting way of looking at it
whole oxide
statistically better, is kinda small-brain
leaden thunder
not really
whole oxide
there are some things which don't have damage numbers attached
leaden thunder
like
dawn orchid
statistically better, is kinda small-brain
Math is for small brains
gilded viper
im not trying to agrue the gun or good or anything
olive ember
Better horde clear
dawn orchid
You can take an xii for accuracy
whole oxide
the utility, is that is very very fast to swap to and clear out a dozen shooters at mid-range, and hits fast enough to trigger kinetic-flayer almost insantly
leaden thunder
then use a las pistol
dawn orchid
"OH I'M TRIGGERING MY FLAYER ONCE EVERY 15 SECONDS SUPER FAST"
whole oxide
only thing that'll trigger flayer that fast otherwise is auto-pistol, but that won't clear shooters nearly as fast at long range
gilded viper
more ammo per clip, horde clear i guess, no recoil, supression on shooters
dawn orchid
It doesn't even clear shooters that fast compared to meta guns
leaden thunder
also the swap speed isn't that fast
dawn orchid
Just take a vraks 3
runic hornet
it's more that you know Kinetic flayer is up
so in between pulls
you just squeeze the trigger on a bulwark
because you will instantly get a flayer proc that will open it up
leaden thunder
ok but what do that have to do with the recon
dawn orchid
That sounds like a deeply unimpressive use case
runic hornet
i mean the autopistol is better for that anyway
leaden thunder
so is the colmnus
runic hornet
but it and recon have the esame "lol" firerate
late yew
Is there any point in charging force staff? Or b etter just spam lightning?
runic hornet
you mean charging surge?
dawn orchid
Surge is spam as I recall
runic hornet
it does more damage, with a small charge you can one-hit flak instead of two-hitting it
full chrage is overkill though
you'll way overkill flak, and non-flak units still won't die
leaden thunder
but generally it's just spam
whole oxide
you keep focusing on "its not the best at XYZ", but the point of this setup is to be a jack of all trades that can do everything
leaden thunder
fierce sinew
yeah, badly
runic hornet
the point is that recon lasgun is just
outclassed
in its role you are saying
autopistol psyker is fun
recon psyker is just masochism
dawn orchid
It's not even just "not the best", the whole recon line is competing for worst guns in the game
leaden thunder
you can use an autopistol, an infantry autogun or a headhunter
can do all those things
but better
runic hornet
what does recon lasgun bring anyway, lnfernus?
dawn orchid
Vraks 3 does everything you mentioned but better
runic hornet
but infernus is super nerfed anyway
if you wannt to burn things why are you not playing purgatus
dawn orchid
It looks cool?
olive ember
Alright guys screenshot entire convo and send to fatshark next patch recon Psyker gonna be meta
runic hornet
or even blazing spirit Trauma
i've been playing some blazing spirit trauma nad it's unironically fun
dawn orchid
Autopistol is just insane
whole oxide
i mean, i frequently carry HI-T5 with it and people saying "huh, how are you doing that with gun-psyker", I was a doubter before trying, but, it works, can keep believing otherwise if you like
leaden thunder
i've been playing some blazing spirit trauma nad it's unironically fun
i've heard it's decent
m8
you can carry hi 5
with a fucking grey chainaxe
dawn orchid
i mean, i frequently carry HI-T5 with it and people saying "huh, how are you doi...
post scoreboards of you carrying hi5
runic hornet
mate, 90% of "carrying" hi5 is defensive, not offensive