psyker-class

[ember hornet]

indeed

[forest coral]

It’s funny lazor

I switched to br auto vet and hey, damage suddenly was almost matching up

But to be fair this is a really big outlier

Darcy is a bit next level with the funny pistol

[ember hornet]

purg is a nice pub staff

[forest coral]

it’s excellent

Will hard carry if need be

[mellow dock]

^^

[forest coral]

But psyker lacks that straight killing output the zealots and vets will dish out in a short notice in mid rang

[ember hornet]

vets just need to be nerfed into the fucking ground

[mellow dock]

Hell no

[ember hornet]

the class is so silly strong

[mellow dock]

I play all classes

[ember hornet]

1300 toughness

[mellow dock]

and i dont agree with that at all

[ember hornet]

they have 1300 toughness, F all the time, and 50% toughness regen on kill

and powersword

[spice veldt]

I think it's fine that vet has that ranged deletion niche

[ember hornet]

and grenade regen

[mellow dock]

1300?

[ember hornet]

yes

[mellow dock]

What do u mean by 1300

[spice veldt]

they presumably mean with unwavering focus

[ember hornet]

effective

[mellow dock]

oh...

[cyan notch]

idk unlimited ult god mode with 5million toughness with 5million toughness regen and nonstop ammo regen is pretty nuts

[forest coral]

Unwavering focus, counter fire

[mellow dock]

lololol

[forest coral]

Basically invincible unless crusher wave happens

[ember hornet]

and then you just power sword the crushers

[spice veldt]

and that 7.5% toughness regen on melee kill compared to everyone else's 5%

[cyan notch]

or ur teammates kill the crushers because everything else is dead

[forest coral]

This.

[mellow dock]

Idk... I started with the vet

to me its become the most boring class to play

[ember hornet]

it is

[crystal jolt]

cuz its easy

[ember hornet]

it's really strong in a boring way

[cyan notch]

ur john shootgun

u shoot the gun

[mellow dock]

I know what you mean though

when you see vet players

[forest coral]

Lemme give u a perspective

[mellow dock]

who think they are good

[forest coral]

https://streamable.com/m138ho

[mellow dock]

at the game

[forest coral]

This isn’t even with the most op gun yet

[ember hornet]

and power sword is just like... illisi with unlimited swings

[crystal jolt]

the power sword is far too versatile for its own good

[mellow dock]

You mean like this one?

[ember hornet]

people do solos with this build

[mellow dock]

😂

[ember hornet]

literally solos

[olive ember]

Balanced

Psyker is just very weak

needs more buffs

[radiant lance]

Freakin' ridiculous

[spice veldt]

you can kinda do that with the trauma staff

just can't dump damage into reapers though

[radiant lance]

Yeah Powersword is just a better Illisi isn't it?

[spice veldt]

where's my fucking peril glock

[forest coral]

You literally can with bolter haha

[ember hornet]

you can tank multiple shotgunners on vet

actually tank them

[spice veldt]

oh yeah i meant as psyker

[radiant lance]

To add insult to injury Illisi special actually takes peril while Powersword special is unlimited

[forest coral]

Oh yeh for sure

[spice veldt]

though we did get the illisi whose special does bonus damage against unyielding

which is very cool

[ember hornet]

pretty sure a vet can also tank a full sniper shot

[olive ember]

The only counter to the vet

[crystal jolt]

yeah, your two options for vet are that or mag dump bolter to delete anything with a health pool

[olive ember]

are scab stalkers

kek

[spice veldt]

no longer will I whack at reapers for 10 seconds

[mellow dock]

IDK i dont find the psyker weak

[forest coral]

Psyker ain’t weak

[olive ember]

try walking into a group of scab stalkers and watch as your counter fire ends and you get shot to shit kek

[mellow dock]

I wonder why people say its weak

[forest coral]

We just lack direct burst damage

[ember hornet]

they were memeing trying to get more buffs

[olive ember]

psyker is super duper weak

[crystal jolt]

its fine, they usually have some shotgunners with them, so just stagger the kills lol

[olive ember]

its not vet level

[spice veldt]

i think some players who say that are also the type to just hang back at the team and brain burst all the time

[olive ember]

anything that isn't vet level is just super weak

😄

[mellow dock]

lolol

[spice veldt]

I have had psyker teammates who fucking sit in the backline and just brain burst enemies that are right in front of me

[forest coral]

Whoever saying vet is weak

[spice veldt]

with my god damn melee out

[olive ember]

also a part of me thinks if people say psyker is strong or wte

[radiant lance]

I would still like better breakpoints for Brainburst, personally

[forest coral]

Probably uses camo to die alone in a corner somewhere

[woeful cliff]

No one said vet was weak

[spice veldt]

brain burst is very good already

[olive ember]

no

[spice veldt]

it's a utility weapon

[forest coral]

Or just trolling

[mellow dock]

yeah BB is excellent

[olive ember]

I've seen a couple people say vet are weak unironically

on reddit

kek

[forest coral]

Hue

I will say that vet kinda sucks at clutching in mixed horde tho

[olive ember]

I think vet was genuinely like bottom tier in CBT tbh

[radiant lance]

Idk, BB breakpoints feel too weak for me

[olive ember]

and then that shit got mega buffed

[forest coral]

But they rarely ever enter clutch scenario

[mellow dock]

Psyker definitely takes the most skill to play though

[forest coral]

cause everything dead by then

[olive ember]

every other class got nerfed and then vet got like buffs

from CBT to pre-launch

[tidal violet]

I think that over-nerfing Vet because of what the top 10% of players are capable of just echoes moves that killed a lot of fighting games.

Psyker is simply the least flexible class. The new swords are nice, but they still don't have the equivalent of like, the sheer variety of vets or the team focus/tankier/bloody Ogryns.

[woeful cliff]

Grenades are their clutch tool

[cyan notch]

it already 1 shots like basically everything what other breakpoints do u need

[mellow dock]

but when you get good the sheer versatility of it... its friggin awesome

[ember hornet]

cries in hammer nerfs

[crystal jolt]

they should re-enable the toughness bug to balance vets.

[spice veldt]

i'll have to disagree on the flexibility part

the only thing we lack is a burst ranged dps option

[radiant lance]

Why do you find it so?

The damage feels bad to me

[olive ember]

The problem with vet is that its just a fucking statstick

so if you nerf it hard then its shit

[spice veldt]

because you're not supposed to use brain burst for damage

brainburst opens up bulwarks and pierces carapace armor

[mellow dock]

^^

[woeful cliff]

I kinda assume Psyker is actually very flexible dependent on weapon choice.

[spice veldt]

it has aim assist that will catch fast enemies or those behind the cover of fire

[mellow dock]

and Elites that are not reachable

[radiant lance]

So you're saying I'm not supposed to use it against specials generally

[crystal jolt]

yeah, honestly, BB makes psyker a lot more versatile than other classes

[mellow dock]

do not use BB against Trash Mobs

[olive ember]

psyker is flexible in the sense that no matter what you are running you can fall back on BB

[spice veldt]

generally yeah; I like to use it against trappers since I don't ever want to be near them

[crystal jolt]

if only cuz its infinite in a vacuum

[mellow dock]

Only against Elites and specials

[olive ember]

but BB itself is kinda meh

[mellow dock]

and Ogys

[cyan notch]

bb 1 shots all specials on damnation besides mutants and dogs

[mellow dock]

but only if your vet is not on it

[olive ember]

and bursters

[spice veldt]

BB just doesn't have the cleave that your other weapons have

[olive ember]

can it one shot bursters now actually?

[cyan notch]

yes

[spice veldt]

yeah it can

[clear heath]

It kills bursters now

[woeful cliff]

Dont they oneshot with warp now

[mellow dock]

You are a gap filler

[clear heath]

They used to be left alive with like literally 20 hp

[mellow dock]

you fill the gap for the situation you may find yourself

[olive ember]

I'm assuming i need like 4 stacks + high warp or wte

[mellow dock]

in

[cyan notch]

no

its pretty easy

[olive ember]

is it

[mellow dock]

and Psyk can Carry hard!

[cyan notch]

1 stack at 100 peril

[olive ember]

huh I should use BB on them more often

most of the time I just wait for em and shove em

[ember hornet]

check the pins

[radiant lance]

You mean with Warp Unleashed?

[cyan notch]

yes

[ember hornet]

there's updated breakpoints

for BB, in pins

[spice veldt]

^breakpoints with warp unleashed from Pygex's guide

[radiant lance]

What do ya'll feel about Wrack and Ruin?

[spice veldt]

i don't like it because it involves brain bursting

[olive ember]

mid

[tidal violet]

The staves are options, but for the most part they're the same weapon except for what the channeling eventually releases.

Psyker doesn't have as much that shifts the power or use of their ult/BBs as vet or Og do. Especially with the majority of their weapons still being multiclass ones that Vet and Zel can make more use of.

[radiant lance]

How does the 25% extra damage on BB affect these breakpoints I wonder

[magic burrow]

wrack and ruin works good with the shredder

[cyan notch]

those are the breakpoitns

[magic burrow]

but warp unleashed is just insane right now

[ember hornet]

yeah that's already with warp unleashed

[clear heath]

wrack and ruin was bad for a long time, meh for one patch, and now i can't see anyone trying to justify it with warp unleashed getting so much better

[olive ember]

I mean vet ult is literally a stat stick

[radiant lance]

I mean the "lashing" something skill

Which provides 25% damage on BB

[olive ember]

gives wall hacks, 75% DR, 50% ranged damage + wte

and refreshes

take away the stats and its fucking trash

[clear heath]

vet's entire class identity is stat stick

[radiant lance]

Cerebral Lacerations, that's it

[magic burrow]

'take away the thing that makes the the thing good and the thing is trash'

[mellow dock]

^^

Idk... why people whine about other classes

[woeful cliff]

Without the warp powers, psyker is trash guys

[mellow dock]

all are fantastic

[spice veldt]

Psyker's ult having no interaction with their weapons beyond BB is indeed a weakness; however, Psyker's baseline power is very good.

I agree that all of the staffs are same-y because they all fulfill a CC role of some sort, but I do think that our staffs have some very serious power. Trauma's stagger should not be underestimated if you can make use of it. I don't like the other staffs so I won't comment on them.

[mellow dock]

all very fun to play

[ember hornet]

cause when you start playing hi5s and fucking around with premades the balance issues become very obvious

[mellow dock]

I dont do premades

[ember hornet]

it's not like people with 500+ hours have anything better to do

[clear heath]

It's very clear that vet was made to be this huge statstick when you look at vet's hidden stats too.
Highest crit, toughness, toughness on kill
Ability gives more damage
Powersword is meant to be this immobile clunky weapon that has a shitload of damage

[mellow dock]

and Have over 300 Damnation runs

and i dont see issues

[tidal violet]

Putting Warp Unleashed/W&R, and Warp Battery/Wildfire in the same tiers feels rude. One set of options is fun, the other is arguably better.

[spice veldt]

there's also our very whack 0.5s stamina regen delay

[magic burrow]

staves are just kind of underwhelming in terms of DPS, and the only real outlier is purgatus because of all the soulburn feat support

[spice veldt]

we regen stamina before our slide is even over

[ember hornet]

pub players are just so bad at utilizing class strengths

[mellow dock]

Ofcourse they are

[ember hornet]

it's hard to compare

[mellow dock]

but

[woeful cliff]

The class stats aren't readily available.

[mellow dock]

thats what makes you better at the game

adapting

[ember hornet]

I mean trust me I know

[mellow dock]

premades is like butter

[woeful cliff]

New players can't just know that "Oh, the way I regenerate stamina is more powerful than the other classes"

[spice veldt]

our base stats are shit, but our toughness regen is so insanely good with the quelling buggs and Quietude; there's the stamina regen delay; our low base stamina can be fixed with a single curio

[ember hornet]

pubs aren't hard either but

[olive ember]

I rly should find a premade team

[ember hornet]

the balance issues are super obvious with decent players

[olive ember]

The pug experience ain’t it ngl

[spice veldt]

we have the same dodge interval as zealots

the force swords have infinite dodges

[olive ember]

Actually @ember hornet how often do you pug

[clear heath]

i think every class is actually pretty good with regaining toughness these days

[ember hornet]

I used to pub a lot but not as much anymore

[cyan notch]

hes just saying the outliers become extremely apparent when you play with decent people

[magic burrow]

yeah but force sword dodges are kind of shit though, coming from someone used to a knife and the dueling sword

[spice veldt]

i think psyker is particularly good because you can regen against ranged very well

[olive ember]

You should pug a bit more

[tidal violet]

Between just the Las and Auto weapons, there's a ton of variety in handling and feel. The shotguns are a great example of this now. I feel like some of the best weapons in the game are locked behind the hope that we could get unique M1s out of the staves, or special bonks instead of what we have now.

[spice veldt]

with trauma, I can stand in the open and tank some shots

[olive ember]

It really puts things into perspective sometimes at how shit some players are kek

[mellow dock]

^^

[spice veldt]

yeah; I absolutely hate the staff LMBs

[ember hornet]

oh I know

[mellow dock]

well said

[ember hornet]

I pub enough

[mellow dock]

When you have to carry

you have to hard carry

and sometimes that even isn't enough

[ember hornet]

I used to hard carry pubs with the hammer

now I just don't want to until they fix the special

[olive ember]

The one poxwalker at a time?

[spice veldt]

it's a bit hard to differentiate weapon feel without recoil and whatnot though, so I'm curious as to what new staffs that Fatshark will introduce

[olive ember]

Painful

[cyan notch]

improvise adapt overcome

[mellow dock]

Pugs now days is just people scattering in all directions, and its particularly annoying when its the DOGS modifier

[olive ember]

I’m just not touching zealot tbh

[ember hornet]

it's not that, it's just much less fun

[woeful cliff]

omg

I hate

When people just decide to split up

[olive ember]

Cuz I don’t particularly like the zealot melees and the flamers prob getting nerfed and eh

[woeful cliff]

It's like some scooby doo shit where the entire team just splits up

[mellow dock]

I had 3 people with the Damnation frame do that a few games ago

[woeful cliff]

And I'm sitting there like

"Why."

[cyan notch]

mats

[sacred dome]

If we take Vermintide 2 as a source, then possibly a spear or sniper staff could come into the game.

[olive ember]

I do that all the time

[cyan notch]

gotta get mats

[clear heath]

Vet can kill an elite and get a shit ton of toughness, while just having more to begin with.
Ogryn has the coherency thing and confident strike on most melees if you want more
Zealot can get a quick burst of toughness with F
Idk they're all very good with toughness in different ways

[olive ember]

Cuz when I play darktide i space out hard

[mellow dock]

"I have damnation frame, I'm good and my ego has gotten the better of me, so I can just seperate from the group and do my own thing"

[cyan notch]

fatshonks fault they put mats all over the place

[spice veldt]

force sword dodges are shit, but it's good enough because you have virtually no downtime
I've avoided hits from enemies that I didn't even know were behind me just because I spammed dodge
I can turn my brain off and just melee without having to worry about things like good positioning and whatnot

[ember hornet]

I now just take a fire shotgun into damnation and use it to kill everything my hammer can't, kinda boring

after a while

[olive ember]

I tried using that damn thing on my vet

[mellow dock]

I have not tried the Fire shotgun yet

[spice veldt]

if I'm caught out in the open without stamina, I just spam dodge

[olive ember]

Worst experience of my life

[ember hornet]

fire shotgun is nuts

at least on zealot

[olive ember]

My fault for bringing a grey fire shotgun into damnation ig

[tidal violet]

's fun for flaming a third of an entire wave in one shot.

[mellow dock]

waiting to get a good roll on one

[ember hornet]

it cleaves through bulwarks

[tidal violet]

Makes me badly want a warpfire version.

[mellow dock]

infact I have zero good rolls on any of the new weapons

Even though i play alot

[spice veldt]

skill issue

[mellow dock]

on damnation too

[magic burrow]

when you have a dueling sword/knife, the moment you hit the dodge limit and your dodges get worse, they're still better than the regular force sword dodges

[spice veldt]

consider having better luck

[mellow dock]

LOLOL!

good advice

[olive ember]

clearly a skill issue

[summer prairie]

I've a 379 illisi and 380 deimos, could be better but fairly skilled

[spice veldt]

but you also trade up hordeclear with the duelling swords and knife

it's not just the infinite dodges but all the other things that come with force swords

[cyan notch]

not with deimos

[sacred dome]

Ye everybody gangsta 'til they meet your 10 luck base roll fallout char

[mellow dock]

who wants to play

[olive ember]

Why did they give deimos broken dodges anyways

[spice veldt]

I don't mean to say that infinite dodges or longer dodges are comparable or that one is better than the other, but I do think that infinite dodges make up for the illisi and obscurus having a terrible dodge distance

[cyan notch]

cuz they want to bury obscurus

[vestal finch]

That's kind of the point

[cyan notch]

power creep it out of existence

[vestal finch]

You get infinite dodges but they're shit

Vermintide style

[olive ember]

Meh obscurus horde clear good

[spice veldt]

perhaps they were worried about the deimos being too niche?

[olive ember]

Deimos bad

[spice veldt]

I was personally surprised at how many people liked the deimos

[cyan notch]

except theyre not shit on deimos

[vestal finch]

They want to make it... obscure

[olive ember]

But they are

[mellow dock]

hang on

didnt you guys say both the new swords are good

[olive ember]

🤔

Maybe

[spice veldt]

derpy doesn't like the deimos

[mellow dock]

LOL

im confused

[cyan notch]

they are good

[ember hornet]

I once had the best weapon roll, look how they massacred my boy

[tidal violet]

Have you considered it looks cool, and that it compliments the majority of staves being CC?

[mellow dock]

cause i dont have em yet

[olive ember]

I can say it’s good and still hate it

Just saying

[hexed wedge]

Is wildfire a new feat or have I just been blind?

[mellow dock]

😂

[olive ember]

Reworked kinetic overload

[vestal finch]

Must you bring your coping to the psykers, kindred?

[spice veldt]

das true; I just expected people to float more towards the power sword-ish force sword

[olive ember]

Wildfire is better but still not useful unless you are going for blazing spirit builds

[spice veldt]

esp with how many people complain about the obscurus' sticky special

well deimos doesn't require you to use the special

[clear heath]

hammer is dead
you have to let go

[hexed wedge]

Nice one. Makes purg build way powerful

[vestal finch]

Hammer will LIVE

[cyan notch]

i think most people just used purg so they didnt really need another omega horde stick

[vestal finch]

Forever

[olive ember]

Oof don’t worry enough people are complaining on the subreddit

[ember hornet]

I will cope everywhere until they fix it

[olive ember]

If you cope hard enough maybe they’ll bring it back

[spice veldt]

can't believe people use their staffs instead of their melee

smh

[vestal finch]

#SaveCRUCIS

[ember hornet]

anyways, I want a good deimos

[olive ember]

It’s like how I’m coping that deflector should be base weapon and the blessing should give me ranged block on device

Eh eh? Ranged block on revive is cool for everyone right?

[shy prairie]

[ember hornet]

it's not like deflector is too strong

[olive ember]

1.3% sounds about right

[ember hornet]

it's just a cool mechanic

[cyan notch]

sure if they allow u to change the locked blessing

[ember hornet]

so I agree

[mellow dock]

Anyone wanna play

[shy prairie]

good penance, even better that it's harder than the supposed "toptier" pskyer penance

[mellow dock]

Assasination mission is up with lights out and High Int

[cyan notch]

if they make sweeping changes to blessings like they always do this locking shit is just gonna brick a lot of shit

[mellow dock]

Fun mode

[ember hornet]

me casually waiting for them to brick BM

[spice veldt]

bricked like devastating strike did

[cyan notch]

crucian bloodthirsty devastating strike

[olive ember]

remember when they casually screwed crucian over

[vestal finch]

I don't see it happening

Crucian was an "unintended feature"

[spice veldt]

i do, because they nerfed devastating strike

[ember hornet]

tbf, crucian ranged nerf was absolutely needed 10000%

[clear heath]

no they nerfed crucian again

[olive ember]

Infernus was good on the recon las but apparently it was broken?

[clear heath]

this patch

[ember hornet]

yeah they did

[vestal finch]

what did they do?

[vestal finch]

what?!

[ember hornet]

and that was for no reason

[cyan notch]

yea im not talking about the melee shit

[olive ember]

^^

[spice veldt]

instead of making crits ignore hitmass for x seconds like BruMo, they made it so that only the critical swing ignored hitmass

despite weakspot kills arguably being an easier condition to trigger than crits

[ember hornet]

yup

[olive ember]

They just casually took crucian values and moved the decimal to the left

Actually dogshit lmao

[ember hornet]

at least it's not much of a nerf to revolver cause it has shit crit scaling

[olive ember]

Lmao

[clear heath]

yeah who cares about crucian anyways

[olive ember]

It used to be funny melee only crit build

But we can’t have nice things smh

[ember hornet]

it was broken as fuck come on, you know it was

[olive ember]

Yes but

It was funny

[ember hornet]

it was funny

I ran crit hammer with the DR once

and decided it was too heretical

[vestal finch]

Thunder Hammer was broken

and fun

[cyan notch]

vets have that shit too

[ember hornet]

it wasn't even broken though

it was balanced

broken against monstrosities yes

everything else, no

[olive ember]

SMH stop exploiting bugs cheater

[vestal finch]

It felt pretty broken to me

I guess I'm just too good

[cyan notch]

how was it broken

[vestal finch]

Once I learned how to hit elites in a horde

[clear heath]

are you still talking about using it with crucian?

[ember hornet]

hsword/caxe still outperformed it at highest level

even if you played lights out

[vestal finch]

nah

[ember hornet]

I know how hammer works I have 600 hours with it

and did hi5 duos etc

It was very good

with a lot of effort

now you can't even use the special in most situations without taking health damage

[vestal finch]

Maybe you're right

[ember hornet]

but psyker melee is fun in the meantime

[olive ember]

10/10 Reddit take

642 upvotes

[ember hornet]

yeah it's stupid

it's just people admitting they like using a melee weapon in far fewer situations

and having less fun

[blissful dirge]

Yeah I know how the weapon works, it works fucking badly lmao

[ember hornet]

and abusing ranged with F

it's a giant self report

I'm trying to kill crushers with hammer now and dumbfuck mcgee just presses F with an autopistol

well I guess I didn't bring a hammer for crushers anyways

[cyan notch]

use crusher for crushers

[olive ember]

Use flamer for crushers

[ember hornet]

it's just really mind boggling that I can just switch to my ranged weapon and shoot 3 bullets and press F

and kill 10 crushers

but nope can't spend 10 seconds moving around in melee to kill 4 crushers

[olive ember]

Tbf that’s the zealot armor strip more than flamer imo

[vestal finch]

the veteran zealot playstyle

[olive ember]

Like the autopistol and brauto pea shooter and press F and it shreds

[vestal finch]

even when you're a melee class ranged still works better

lol

[ember hornet]

they really need to remove the F mechanic on ranged and then provide some other buff

like idk, making the F actually do more things

[olive ember]

it’s in a weird place where if it got removed it would make some zealot ranged a lot worse

[ember hornet]

Yeah

[olive ember]

But at the same time holy shit it’s jank and unbalanced

[ember hornet]

you can just run hsword + anything

which is dumb

[olive ember]

I love pressing F but not actually using it as a charge but to buff my ranged gun

[vestal finch]

remember when people were complaining about hsword being bad?

[olive ember]

Idk zealot just ain’t for me rn, prob doesn’t help that I don’t particularly like the hsword and the thammer

[ember hornet]

it was the worst weapon

[olive ember]

Well it was bad during the leveling experience

[ember hornet]

and they made it the best one

[olive ember]

Hsword crutches on buffs like headtaker and rampage

[ember hornet]

they have also buffed it what, 4 times?

[olive ember]

No one was getting a headtaker 4 hsword with good states at the start to begin with never mind the buffs

[vestal finch]

This proves all you need to make a weapon god tier is to cry hard enough

[ember hornet]

also the power fix

[vestal finch]

also #zealot-class

[olive ember]

So they were using the weapon base and yeah it’s

Actually trash

I think base the hsword legit does less damage than the claw yeah?

[clear heath]

headtaker numbers on it are just cracked

[vestal finch]

power fix?

[ember hornet]

and rampage being a multiplier

[ember hornet]

power used to only effect damage

[clear heath]

fatshark likes to make some weapons go from complete shit to amazing with a power blessing

[ember hornet]

for a solid month

[clear heath]

blessings in this game are just kinda fucked

[ember hornet]

like autopistol having +100% power

[olive ember]

I mean autopistol is a prime example

[ember hornet]

+150% power

[olive ember]

That gun was literal trash

[vestal finch]

This is how they shake up the meta

[olive ember]

Still is if you don’t have pinning fire

[clear heath]

why do the power blessings have such high numbers?

[cyan notch]

[ember hornet]

I have this and dear lord it is so busted

[olive ember]

It’s like what

A 3 round burst to the body kill a shooter?

[ember hornet]

I don't know how many shots it takes

I'm too busy blazing away

[vestal finch]

It takes 2 fully charged voidstrike shots to kill one dreg shooter

Or a fully charged one and a half charged one, rather

[ember hornet]

does it really?

[olive ember]

P sure it’s one shot if you hit the head

[ember hornet]

cause I feel like I play void and it doesn't

[cyan notch]

well theres stuff like +5% power for 2s after elite kill

[vestal finch]

If you don't hit heads, that is

[clear heath]

fatshark making the most nonsense blessings possible

[ember hornet]

oh void is shit without weakspot yeah

[vestal finch]

I have one such beauty on my force sword

[cyan notch]

god roll

[olive ember]

That literally might as well be a circle holy shit lmao

[ember hornet]

I just found out about this blessing yesterday and I was like ?????????

[cyan notch]

oh its 5s actually

but still like bruh

[olive ember]

Amazing lmao

[ember hornet]

or get this

15% power on hit

stacking 5 times

[vestal finch]

balanced

[ember hornet]

yes yes

[vestal finch]

You need to hit enemies for it to work

[ember hornet]

let's make the weapon 2x as good

[vestal finch]

you need a constant stream of targets

[ember hornet]

in all aspects

[vestal finch]

otherwise you die

you clearly don't get it.

[ember hornet]

like my hammer would be bad right

if it didn't have 135% power

lol

[vestal finch]

wait

that's how much slaughterer gets you?

[ember hornet]

with thrust

[vestal finch]

Guys, this is a super secret thing I just found out

[ember hornet]

a standard heavy is +95% power

[olive ember]

75% from slaughter + 50% from rampage with hsword

[vestal finch]

You can't tell anyone

[olive ember]

Is thrust 50% or just 20%

[vestal finch]

BUT!

You can save up Thrust's stacks

if you cancel your heavy by blocking

[ember hornet]

rampage is damage, and it's a multiplier so it's actually like 85% damage increase or something

[olive ember]

Oh

[idle bay]

Luckily got a good New Hammer from Melk. And WTF what MORON crated it attack pattern? Someone who HATES players for sure

[ember hornet]

tfw I've been unconsciously doing this and buffing my lights all along

[ember hornet]

uh the one that tried to make a hammer that satisfied people crying about not being able to hit things with the old one

[idle bay]

O keep getting Strikedown instead of Relentless... .combos in this game are karked...

[olive ember]

I was the one who had poxwalker mr presidenting plague ogryns

I am indeed very sad new hammer is shit

[ember hornet]

literally just jump lol

[vestal finch]

I learned how to use swing manipulation like a real chivalry pro

and hit ragers in a horde

[olive ember]

Chiv 1 or 2

Chiv 2 is nothing

[idle bay]

To make new hammer good - just remove the karking Strikedown from Heavy attacks and it's done

[olive ember]

You haven’t mastered the art of the rainbow

[olive ember]

Or the reverse 🌈

[vestal finch]

That's the one where you hit someone behind you by looking up right?

[rocky cedar]

That heavy is absolutely not the issue with new Hammer lol

[idle bay]

Also strikedown from Light 🙂

[fading patrol]

Well slaughterer on force sword is only 2s

[rocky cedar]

It's easy enough to block cancel every 2 heavies

[olive ember]

I fucking hate it

[idle bay]

Whithout strikedowns it's perfectly fine to use all-arounder with some drwbacks

[olive ember]

Makes weapon badddd

[ember hornet]

the overhead is definitely not the problem

you should be block canceling

and pushing

[rocky cedar]

The issue is inconsistent special cleave with power bonuses

Those same bonuses that are necessary to hit one shot break points in the first place

[idle bay]

I'm using special exclusively for Ogryns and bosses

[ember hornet]

yep

[ember hornet]

isn't it fun to have a weapon that forces you to rarely use the special

[rocky cedar]

Then you should like the strike down heavy, it's the only way you do good single target without special

It's actually an advantage of that Hammer if anything

With recoil cancel gone

[shy prairie]

just got.. out with a bang

[ember hornet]

nice!

I kind of cheesed it I guess

[idle bay]

It fits in my playstyle perfectly. I use auto-gun to kill everything that kilable by it, and swtitch to hammer to deal with close straggler and hoad, and use special for Ogryns. SO all bases are covered

[ember hornet]

what difficulty do you play on.....

[rocky cedar]

Then just use crucis and jump honestly

[shy prairie]

5

[idle bay]

Yesterdey i played with pskyer that maaged to get it without cooperation from team. He did not even asked for help ... and managed to pull it off 🙂

[rocky cedar]

My mate did out with a bang by accident

[ember hornet]

sorry wasn't responding to you

[rocky cedar]

Over charged by accident

[shy prairie]

[ember hornet]

but back on the topic of that penance

[rocky cedar]

Noticed elites were near by

[cold geode]

I did it randomly as well

[rocky cedar]

Rushed in figuring why not

[idle bay]

Stirkedown special heavy deals shit damage. Swing special heayy deals good damage. For some nonesensical reason. Should be like you said.. but karktide.

[rocky cedar]

Got it

[ember hornet]

I just kept restarting the hab dreyko type map until I found rager packs

lol

[shy prairie]

fair enough tbh, it's

awful

[ember hornet]

yeah

had an ogryn shield a daemonhost for the other awful penance

[vestal finch]

My first character was a psyker, still don't have all the penances done

[shy prairie]

^

[vestal finch]

Zealot was ez asf

[ember hornet]

yeah

zealot penances are trivial

[vestal finch]

I did them all in pubs

including the speedrun

[ember hornet]

I did all of the penances in beta lol

[shy prairie]

I'm 90% done both psyker and zealot haven't done like 1/2 of vets

[ember hornet]

zealot penances that is

[rocky cedar]

Oh really?

[shy prairie]

ogryn will be my prestige character

[rocky cedar]

Looks how I'd expect

[ember hornet]

wait whats the special numbers on it

[rocky cedar]

The same I'm pretty sure

[ember hornet]

on like, plogryn

[idle bay]

Old or new hammer?

[rocky cedar]

When I tested in meat grinder

[rocky cedar]

New

[ember hornet]

just tick the special active box

and screenshot

[idle bay]

i was talking about old one. And old one had only light Strikedown... that actually expalined why it sucked

[tall torrent]

so...I made this, and it fucks

[rocky cedar]

@ember hornet

[ember hornet]

yeah rip

[ember hornet]

[rocky cedar]

Old Hammer heavies

[idle bay]

And Strikedown only light...

[ember hornet]

aka actually better cause they one shot trash

[rocky cedar]

So yeah categorically the heavy strike down does more than either hammers cleave heavies

[vestal finch]

I could never get them to kill all trash in 1 shot

[rocky cedar]

In fact damage calc is saying it does more to flak than special heavies

[vestal finch]

always 2 shot gunners and heavy infantry

[rocky cedar]

Which seems wrong

[ember hornet]

just roll good

lol

[vestal finch]

lol

[rocky cedar]

Is ironhelm special that much weaker to flak?

Or does damage calc not know values for iron special?

[ember hornet]

it one shots flak ragers so no

[rocky cedar]

On the new Hammer?

[ember hornet]

yeah

[rocky cedar]

Guess damage calc doesn't know its special values yet

[ember hornet]

granted I have this

[rocky cedar]

Regardless yeah the strike down heavy does much better single target than the other heavies when special isn't involved

[idle bay]

Sweet Thrust T4 🙂

[vestal finch]

So I decided to upgrade a new hammer on a whim...

[ember hornet]

anyways I feel bad for continuing so much zealot related talk, but whatever every channel talks about random shit and I'd rather game talk than waifu posting

[vestal finch]

Just spammed consecrate

[rocky cedar]

Unfortunate it doesn't get extra damage from special because light light special heavy is such a slick combo

[ember hornet]

nearly perfect

nice

sad first target but it won't matter too much really if you get slaughterer

[vestal finch]

How big is the difference between x1.05 and x1.03

[ember hornet]

I'd say just under 2% lol

[vestal finch]

I have another TH with 71% first target

so it's really not a big difference

[ember hornet]

nah

[vestal finch]

In the grand scheme of things

[ember hornet]

not in practicality

I just like having a hammer that does

the most possible unyielding damage in the game

[cyan portal]

I read once that even with cleaving first target matters because the rest do a % of that dmg. Is that true?

[ember hornet]

it makes me big happy when big number

[vestal finch]

Nah

That's not how the math works out, I don't think

[ember hornet]

I've heard the same as box

[vestal finch]

It does a % of the base damage, first target multiplier not included

[ember hornet]

haven't verified it myself

regardless, hammer doesn't have cleave damage

[vestal finch]

It is very important

Cleave on the hammer, I mean

[cyan portal]

Would like to see proof either way, if any exists

[vestal finch]

Those 3 targets aren't going to kill themselves

[ember hornet]

cleave is important for CC and safety at least

yeah that 3rd target taking 20 damage really gets me going at night

meanwhile power sword killing 30+ poxwalkers in 2 swings

[still hearth]

On some weapons it seems to affect it according to calculator

[vestal finch]

You have to dodge and press a button to power it up tho

[still hearth]

But I don't know if that was a bug

[vestal finch]

It's balanced

[ember hornet]

yeah that's why it's so bad and I run knife, just no mobility you know

I love how easy it is to self report in this game

and almost all of them are filled to the brim with confidence

it's so weird

I don't know how this happens

[stray radish]

So, how's experience with good tier Ironhelm?

[ember hornet]

in practice a worse crucis

that's my summary

[stray radish]

fair enough xD

[vestal finch]

Fuck... Now I'm a hammer gambling addict

I've had to sell off all my stockpile of emperor's gifts to get enough money for more hammers

[ember hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-star-wars-emporer-palpatine-darkside-gif-4624104

[stray radish]

Well, because hammers and Evi feels meh for me right now, I create psyker - never played before, and force swords are funny :D

[ember hornet]

yeah it's funny

they are just like, Illisi is OK

but hammer

it deserves 2+ seconds of lag

[vestal finch]

Illisi generates peril with each charge

[still hearth]

Kek

[vestal finch]

Which just gave me a great idea...

[still hearth]

What an issue

[ember hornet]

as if peril matters lol

[still hearth]

That's actually a benefit

[ember hornet]

yup

[still hearth]

[vestal finch]

What if they gave the power sword a heat meter like the plasma gun?

[ember hornet]

so I didn't realize but

Holy shit does peril quell fast on staff now

like what

[forest coral]

mhmm

[still hearth]

Peril quells fast on everything tbf

[forest coral]

makes quietetude reaaally good

[ember hornet]

but like

[vestal finch]

psyker nerfs incoming

[still hearth]

Like 3s to full quell on hands

[ember hornet]

why did they buff it SO MUCH

[still hearth]

2s on staff

Who knows

Its fun

[ember hornet]

it is fun

[pliant junco]

i dont like ilisi nor any "press button" weapon such a lame design

[ember hornet]

but they did the thing where

now there is 1 build

[still hearth]

I rarely use the special for anything but peril gain

[ember hornet]

close enough to 1 build anyhow

[still hearth]

The attacks feel so good anyway

[forest coral]

the accessibility faceroll build and then everything else

[ember hornet]

lol

[vestal finch]

"Oh, we nerfed this class so hard people stopped playing it. Let's buff everything"

[ember hornet]

gotta prep for Xbox

[pliant junco]

power sword may be braindead and op its boring af to play and you can largely play almost another melee weapon on vet with decent result

[still hearth]

Zealot buffs when

[ember hornet]

hammer recoil removal when

[cyan portal]

Hopefully all the flavor of the month Psykers will be as bad as the average vet and so we'll get to stay op so they can beat heresy

[ember hornet]

if I'm good enough to use only a hammer, please just fucking let me

[still hearth]

Hammer recoil bug fix: Now stuns for 5s

[pliant junco]

real

[ember hornet]

I need the feeling of bonking many things to keep me going

it's basically heroine

[vestal finch]

Thunder Hammer now deals self-damage every time you hit an enemy with a Special

[pliant junco]

[ember hornet]

oh wait it already does that if you want to use it

[still hearth]

Thunder Hammer explodes and you no longer have a melee

[shy prairie]

Thunder Hammer striking Bulwark shield now causes knockback for the user.

[ember hornet]

I literally just trade health now

to feel the bonks

[still hearth]

I'll protect you with my Crusher

[ember hornet]

I'll care about living when I'm under 25%

[vestal finch]

This would make it more realistic since it would simulate the knockback breaking your spine apart

Right now it just lets enemies maul you for a few seconds

[ember hornet]

hey let's have hi5 and also shock troop

and also

a mechanic that disables all player freedom for 2+ seconds

because that scales

[steel flame]

No thanks

[stray radish]

well, for me using Hswords and Caxes is boring, I like class specific weapons :p

[steel flame]

I like playing the game thankyou

[ember hornet]

same, this is all I do on each class

like

[stone pulsar]

is the staff's weapon special used for anything? the melee strikes seem useless

[steel flame]

No

[ember hornet]

why the FUCK would I use a gun on psyker lol

[still hearth]

Yes

[ember hornet]

it just dilutes the pool

for no reason

[still hearth]

Staff special stacks Flurry

[steel flame]

Shredder on psyker is cool and I'll fight anyone who says otherwise

[stone pulsar]

it...works on warp flurry?

[ember hornet]

shredder is cool on everything cause it's broken lol

[still hearth]

Yes

LMB and special stack flurry

[lethal folio]

That should have been fixed.

[still hearth]

Maybe not then

[steel flame]

It was

[still hearth]

Sad

So in that case no

It's useless

[smoky fractal]

gun psyker is a little less memey this patch tho

[true cobalt]

just made a meme force sword its fun but does not work aswell as i hoped

[stone pulsar]

ahh. anyways what does the acendent blaze 10% chance to gain a charge do? if a enemy dies with soulblaze on i get a 10% chance to get a charge?

[still hearth]

It's actually more memey

Biggest meme

[ember hornet]

what all does warp unleashed buff now

[still hearth]

Everything

[smoky fractal]

the changes really put some respectable damage on guns

[stone pulsar]

even brain burst.

[ember hornet]

it's just a flat power buff?

[still hearth]

Damage

[ember hornet]

damage ok

[vestal finch]

Scaling with peril.

[steel flame]

All da damage

[ember hornet]

so cool

psyker just gets +50% damage on everything lol

[vestal finch]

You can reliably 1 shot ragers and flamers now

[still hearth]

You can get up to 3.72x damage on Autopistols now

[smoky fractal]

so like, you can see it

[ember hornet]

meanwhile zealot is like, have 25% when you F

[smoky fractal]

but its not always the best option

[stone pulsar]

the peril quelling buff means you can't keep the damage up often

[ember hornet]

for 1 hit

[still hearth]

Zealot kinda bad atl

Sad

Atm*

[smoky fractal]

ive always seen chastise as a heal button mostly

[vestal finch]

This is how they incentivize playing different classes

They nerf one and buff another with every patch

[smoky fractal]

i use it alot to retreat

[true cobalt]

the new illisi force sword you can just spam spec to keep peril up

[vestal finch]

First they got all the psykers to stop playing

Now they're being brought back and zealots are out

[ember hornet]

zealot is still braindead with hsword caxe taxe tho

[steel flame]

I dunno. Warp unleashed doesn't add much to shredder. It's damage was already so ridiculous and it's only weakness covered by bb and lacerations, the extra 25% from WU is just overkill

[stone pulsar]

i use chastise as a DPS boost. i take the +20% attack speed one.

[smoky fractal]

zealot rn is braindead

faceroll and win

[ember hornet]

smh, the more overkill the better cause they are more dead

[stone pulsar]

heavy sword + chastise = dead horde

[steel flame]

Fair

[true cobalt]

Warp unleashed does let you hit some dumb brain burst break points aswell

[still hearth]

You hit oneshot breakpoints on poxwalkers

[smoky fractal]

fuckin carapace

[still hearth]

That's not nothing

[ember hornet]

I was gonna do a hammer special only run at some point to see how much overkill I could get, but NOT ANYMORE

[smoky fractal]

but got pinning * blaze away

hmmm

[stone pulsar]

meanwhile i am 200 melkbucks away from getting T4 warp nexus but....i completed all my quests already T_T

[true cobalt]

i do like the inspiring barrage blessing

[steel flame]

I used WU for 2 days with my shredder build but I've gone back to wrack and ruin because it covers more stuff and has better value on a gun build

[ember hornet]

I'm kind of sad that I don't like purg after getting a T4 nexus t4 flurry one with a good roll

[smoky fractal]

is it worth tho is the question

[ember hornet]

eh

[steel flame]

The uptime on WU with the quell change means it doesn't provide much for gunplay

[ember hornet]

inspiring is omega shit tier btw

[stone pulsar]

i thought with purg warp channelling is prefered so you don't get cancelled by a poxwalker stab?

[true cobalt]

250% its kind of nuts tho

[ember hornet]

it only buffs coherency regen

that's it

it's awful

[stone pulsar]

wait what. i thought it just recovered you toughness.

[ember hornet]

nope

[stone pulsar]

wtf.

[steel flame]

It's a blessing sink. Better options are available. Purge has loads of stagger so you shouldn't be getting interrupted much anyway if you just dodge back

[smoky fractal]

there a video on reddit showing some guns working as intended

[stone pulsar]

ahh fair point.

[still hearth]

Inspiring is definitely meh, but it's more that it's value is too low atm

[smoky fractal]

yeah agree

[still hearth]

If it was 100% and stacked faster

It would actually be good

Not amazing

[smoky fractal]

games values moving forward than enabling to turtle

[still hearth]

But you'd be able to use it

[ember hornet]

but also more often than not you aren't gonna fire a whole clip to get like 20 toughness

lol

[steel flame]

Wrong reply

[true cobalt]

its only like half a clip to max

[steel flame]

Go with blaze away

[true cobalt]

i got 1 with blaze aswell

[still hearth]

[ember hornet]

what

it is definitely not

[still hearth]

Blaze Away and Pinning Fire makes the weapon

[ember hornet]

to max what

[still hearth]

Max Inspiring Stacks

[ember hornet]

lol

[steel flame]

For toughness on shredder build I run essence and 3 relics with 30% Regen speed. It's not the fastest Regen but it's constant with kb and Flayer and I can mitigate most damage anyway with the stupid amount of stagger and suppression the shredder has

[still hearth]

Well, that's an interesting way to play

Run it on Veteran instead

75% toughness dr bby

[ember hornet]

just never get shot

or else you wont regen

[still hearth]

Toughness regen curios takes the delay down by about half I think

Which might be 1.5s on Autopistol

So at 0.75s delay you can probably get it rolling before you leave a slide

Idk if I'd consider it worth it though

[steel flame]

Shredders better on psyker. It's only weakness is ogryns, and BB laceration counters them completely

[still hearth]

Nah its definitely better on Vet still, because Vet is OP

[ember hornet]

yes much better when you have 100-166 toughness than when you have 1300

[lethal folio]

Bear in mind Autopistol has assault toughness, which is broken and terrible if you are moving and not aiming, because the code is still backwards.

[still hearth]

Just stand still and regen like insane

[ember hornet]

how is this still backwards

jesus

[still hearth]

Not a prio

[ember hornet]

it would literally take

all of 5 seconds to fix

[still hearth]

Probably

[cyan notch]

what about rashad

[ember hornet]

that is a crab only weapon

and will remain so

[lethal folio]

This is a murder machine. Even the slicing lights oneshot bucket heads with the buffs up.

[ember hornet]

question, does anyone actually play VT on consoles?

I just cant imagine how bad of an experience it would be to play this game with a controller

[sacred dome]

Depends on, I've tried it, comfy af.

Comfy to put pc to tv big screen and just lean back.

[ember hornet]

it might be comfy on like malice, where you don't have to do many inputs

[sacred dome]

Depends on, I mean you're asking a very vague question. What is your definition of a bad experience and why does it apply to controller and how is it hard to imagine?

I'd say this:
-controller is comfy, you can lean back
-probably not gonna play damnation on a controller cuz hard af
-point was to be comfy, controller wins in comfy

[ember hornet]

I suppose I could see controller for really casual play

would be limited in terms of weapons/playstyles

very limited but

[lethal folio]

Controller mode does have aim-assist.

[ember hornet]

how does aim assist work in hi5

[sacred dome]

Agreed.
But ye if you meant to say "don't play controller on highest difficulty" then ye, play only melee chars I'd advice, but then again ain't going for min-max BiS stuff.

[ember hornet]

I guess it's all perception

my playstyle is whipping around a hammer and sliding like madman etc, just couldn't do that on a controller

[sacred dome]

Yup, I suck at controller so would only play melee chars. Seen some sick players w controllers, but it's hard. Controller is couch relax mode for me.

[ember hornet]

I was a halo kid once but that's the last time I've used a controller lol

[sacred dome]

The pain of aiming trauma staff w a controller. Nightmare fuel

[ember hornet]

I bet

[sacred dome]

+100% peril before you shoot

[ember hornet]

how do you even move aim and dodge/slide at the same time

in succession with slides in multiple directions

[cyan notch]

i play controller

just press the buttons

[ember hornet]

but you need 2 thumbs on sticks

[sacred dome]

Most ppl don't, I guess. Even w keyboard and my casual buddies we tend to try and hold straight lanes only.

[ember hornet]

and also fingers pressing buttons

[cyan notch]

slide your fingers over a/b to slide

[sacred dome]

I don't headshot every elite on 0,1 sec and BB the ogryns etc.

[ember hornet]

I suppose if you just don't and learn to play that way it's an option

[cyan notch]

you gotta take your thumb off the right thumbstick for a split second yea

[sacred dome]

Usually hit the pleb unit right next to the reaper and game over 🤣

[cyan notch]

or u can use paddles

[ember hornet]

this is heresy

[cyan notch]

i used to play bolt staff on controller with aim assist turned off too

that one was a bit hard

[ember hornet]

but hey, it's impressive you can make it work lol

I'd probably throw my controller at my screen before the end of the match

[cyan notch]

u dont really need ultra precise aim with psyker

autopistol and mgxii were fine too

melee combat is not an issue that ones pretty ez

[ember hornet]

I would pay to see mg12 controller gameplay with a scoreboard at the end

[cyan notch]

probs easiest on john shootgun

[ember hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/walking-master-chief-pablo-schreiber-halo-here-i-am-gif-25536886

[cyan notch]

thats john sexman

[ember hornet]

no it's John magicman

simply touch an artifact and your desires will come true

[fiery atlas]

so how are we feeling about new psyker swords

[spice veldt]

OOOOOO RAAAAAAH

[ember hornet]

good

[fiery atlas]

most devious

i will be toying with illisi more when I can

i'm depressed rn so my drive to do anything related to games is low

[ember hornet]

illisi = dopamine

[cyan notch]

plasteel = dopamine

[ember hornet]

ngl I kinda hate how much plasteel there is in random fucking corners

[fiery atlas]

they should give us more plasteel

MMMM AMONNOMONOMNOM GIMME MORE PLASTEEL

[cyan notch]

thats why i have the kind of cheating mod where u can see mats from far away

[ember hornet]

oh shit that's a thing

yeah screw the mats implementation I'm installing that

[cyan notch]

yea u can see the icons from up to 80m away lmao

default apparently is only 15m

[fiery atlas]

might just stay on malice and farm for a while

or heresy

damnation is not it rn

joined a low intens damnation run and managed to lose everyone as soon as I spawned in

[cyan notch]

you probably get more/the same from losing damnation than winning malice

[fiery atlas]

[summer prairie]

Just what I like to see

[cyan notch]

thats a YOU HAVE FAILED THE EMPEROR SPEEDRUN right there

[leaden thunder]

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[gilded quail]

please give it to me

[cyan notch]

#1048318548180738118 message

[gilded quail]

oh nice thanks

[scarlet timber]

need help

what stats do i pirotoise

on dimose?

also

what perks and blessings?

[scarlet timber]

start of a porn movie xD

[stable hare]

How much is critical peril? 80%+?

[scarlet timber]

when its red i beleive

[golden tartan]

Slaughterer

[scarlet timber]

on the single target sword? really?

[golden tartan]

Why not?

[stable hare]

Would you say kinetic deflection or kinetic shield? I'm using ilisis with deflector

[cyan notch]

97

[golden tartan]

Its one of the strongest buffs and the single target sword still kills things

just one at a time

[stable hare]

Yeah slaughterer is the best perk for melee hands down

[scarlet timber]

thing is i wont get it out unless im ifghting a boss or elite

[cyan notch]

u can use unstable power then

[golden tartan]

And those never spawn with chaff around them

never

Nope

Not once

[scarlet timber]

my secondary is voidstirke

[golden tartan]

😛

[scarlet timber]

well i got chaff clear with my staff

[golden tartan]

Deimos is faster when the horde is 'thin' and theres just say a dozen boys running around

Void is faster when the horde is thick and you get the juicy collateral

Like when you get the 6 or 7 chaff in your face you arent gonna swap off the deimos to the voidstrike

You just gonna merc them and go back to killing the boss/elites

[summer prairie]

slaughterer doesn't matter then though

[golden tartan]

And voidstrike will generally leave stragglers lying around

[golden tartan]

Slaughterer procs off the chaff and lets you twack the boss harder

[summer prairie]

for 2 seconds

[golden tartan]

3.5

Thats basically doubling the damage of your heavies

Which is a lot of damage

[summer prairie]

FS slaughterer is 2 seconds unless they just changed it

[cyan notch]

they did not

[golden tartan]

2s then my bad

Still like what else are you gonna take?

[summer prairie]

unstable power is consistent damage for your l1-h2 pokes

[golden tartan]

You are gonna get chaff mixed in with the boss regardless. A lone boss is a non threat anyway

[golden tartan]

Mhm

And?