what feat do you run in the 3rd spot with flayer?
#psyker-class
cyan portal
elfin crystal
euh lemme reopen the game
cyan portal
i run communion to reliably drop 4 stack ab on cd
so an extra wc every 15 seconds seems bad
still hearth
Wildfire isn't going to make a huge impact if you run Purg, but it might speed things up if you set things on fire and swap to melee
Since it softens hordes
cyan portal
yeah, the best blessing for purga is slaughterer on a fs though, so if you're purging optimally you'll be on fs most of the time
fierce sinew
more stacks is basically always better, especially now that 6 charge AB shouts smoke gunners, shotgunners etc now if you're gaming hard enough
topaz sable
The issue is it's really hard to test one way or the other. Pre-applying the first 4 stacks on everything you haven't hit should increase DPS by a lot
I don't run AB half the time I run purga so I'm not really including that in the calculation
pine relic
there is another question.
fierce sinew
it's definitely hard to test, and being in competition with something that gives very obvious, measurable benefits doesn't help
barrage definitely got better relatively speaking this patch
still hearth
8% damage too good to give up for me
elfin crystal
i think i also run communion, but honestly, i'm running flayer just for the super quick kill every 15 seconds not the charge. the auto kill triggers a mass suppression and it just removes any stragglers that somehow didn,t get cc by the initial purg fire proc. just really nicee QOL to create a safe space in general
fierce sinew
I still prefer AB personally but I'm not privately judging people who like barrage like I was before
still hearth
Especially when it multiplies with Illsi power boost
And I am also a mad gal running Quicken now 
fierce sinew
multiplicative power boosts are the secret sauce behind every build or weapon anyone thinks is good tbh
elfin crystal
yeah communion
fierce sinew
just busted
cyan portal
yeah, i think there are several viable builds now to slight playstyle preferences, which is a good thing.
elfin crystal
indeed
topaz sable
@fierce sinew what do you run for second feat when running AB on purga?
cyan portal
i tend to build around the last man standing situation. wildfire really helps to keep up with the endless hordes that can spawn and lets you focus on the threats
topaz sable
*third feat
fierce sinew
warp unleashed is mandatory for anything not surge I think
topaz sable
or just type out all 6 numbers lol
fierce sinew
it's fucking broken
fierce sinew
311112
topaz sable
Psychic Communion? that's surprising to me
fierce sinew
if I see other purg in lobby I switch communion for aura
topaz sable
at least if you don't also choose essence harvest
fierce sinew
yeah that one's close
topaz sable
though quelling is silly now
fierce sinew
essence harvest died with the patch
still hearth
I can't run Communion
fierce sinew
quietude is juiced now
topaz sable
Do you find yourself needing Psychic Communion in order to get 6 stacks fast enough for your ult?
cyan portal
i guess the other handy feature of wildfire is it gives you ab more chances to proc wc
still hearth
No
You can BB 3x before it's off cd
With 6 stacks
So you can ult off cd
If you have targets
fierce sinew
Do you find yourself needing Psychic Communion in order to get 6 stacks fast eno...
I find that if you aren't using it if you want to shout on cooldown you can't melee as much as you otherwise might want to
still hearth
But it did occasionally proc before my third BB
So sometimes Communion just gives you a nice boost.
Actually I might have to try Flayer, Quicken and Communion
cyan portal
i find communion is better with good teammates, otherwise I starve for wc. When you're carrying hard enough or have a second purga then aura lets you max stack ab even more.
still hearth
Since Flayer CD is the same as 4 stack Quicken ult
fierce sinew
multiple purga puts aura into broken tier with warp unleashed, or at least close
still hearth
Though Aura could also be nice I feel like chasing elite or special kills just ends with me waiting or losing kills
twilit badger
So many idiots with shredder
twilit badger
All of them are shitters 
still hearth
Shredder is pretty broken RN
twilit badger
Not on psyker
still hearth
Oh yes it is
fierce sinew
it's definitely the gun to use if that's what you feel like doing
twilit badger
Thay should have gone for vets who does it's jobs 100 times better
fierce sinew
it's just another one of those "multiplicative power boosts are busted" things
twilit badger
With guns
cyan portal
You can have a near constant 3.32x damage buff on it
how do you keep peril up while shooting though?
cyan portal
it just settles for the 10%, fair
still hearth
It's up to 3.72x damage at 100% peril
cyan portal
out of curiosity what's the math on that?
twilit badger
Dumb asses had to use shredder and loses all CC and flow control/ammo conservations
still hearth
Because damage and power multiplication is dumb
cyan portal
10% peril, 24% wc, 100% pinning, whatever blaze away is?
still hearth
Yeah
fierce sinew
10% for free all the time is a wild ass choice
twilit badger
Yeah
fierce sinew
remember that time we took a feat to get 8% with a bunch of setup costs and conditions attached, and felt good about it
twilit badger
And even with all that stacking shits
twilit badger
They somehow still fails to achieve to be the player who dealt most dmg/most elite special kills
cyan portal
i bet it feels extra good running it besides a purga so you get all the free wc from their flames
still hearth
Skill issue
hoary badge
remember that time we took a feat to get 8% with a bunch of setup costs and cond...
I fear its only going to get worse from here
olive ember
remember that time we took a feat to get 8% with a bunch of setup costs and cond...
warp battery?
fierce sinew
yeah the reality is the playerbase of this game is overwhelmingly lobotomized reddit amputee tier
twilit badger
So i'm now just automatically assumes that they are shitters
fierce sinew
warp battery?
yes
twilit badger
When i see psyker with shredder
twilit badger
2 psykers with shredder
fierce sinew
oh yeah, I'm one of them
fierce sinew
it's just funny that 8% used to be the balance bar for "power bonus psyker gets directly from feats"
cyan portal
if you're a staff psyker why do you care who is wasting ammo?
olive ember
I think thats a skill issue on your part ngl
fierce sinew
and now it's 10-25
olive ember
I trust two auto pistol psykers then I do two autopistol zealots atleast
still hearth
Autopistol is perfect for Zealot smh
twilit badger
I think thats a skill issue on your part ngl
Have fun playing with ammo slurpers that does nothing meaningful
Skill issues
Yeah sure
still hearth
You say that like Psykers don't randomly blow up all the time
olive ember
I run auto pistol psyker lmao
twilit badger
When i have to carry their asses so hard
still hearth
KKND have you even tried a stacked Shredder
twilit badger
Deal over 500k dmg and kills with over 40 total special elite kills
Sure i'm the one having skill issues
Not those ammo slurpers
twilit badger
KKND have you even tried a stacked Shredder
I do on my vet
spice veldt
players are always going to affect how a weapon performs
twilit badger
And it absolutely demolishes yes
spice veldt
i really don't think that pub scoreboards are a good way of judging weapon balance
spice veldt
what's the difference between vet and psyker?
cyan notch
psyker is pretty strong now u can use whatever you want
cyan portal
how is a gun psyker any different from all the matches with zero psykers? are you having ammo issues?
olive ember
what's the difference between vet and psyker?
toughness DR and 25% more dmg bost I guess
and more reserve ammo
spice veldt
what meaningful differences cause the weapon performance to become from "absolute demolish" to "kekw"?
twilit badger
autopistol literally performs the same on every class
Yeah except vet active skill makes 200 times more useful than being used on psyker
olive ember
it really doesn't
spice veldt
i get hating pub players, but that doesn't necessarily translate to hating builds
twilit badger
Maybe i should start recording every gun psyker shitters when i see one
twilit badger
If they are this frequent
spice veldt
damn I can't believe purg psykers only do 200k dmg when I can do 620k damage
radiant lance
Is there any point to Quicken? I'm not sure I understand it.
spice veldt
i'm totally not cherrypicking from a game or from shitty pub players
olive ember
Is there any point to Quicken? I'm not sure I understand it.
off meta, do it for fun once you are confident w/ psyker
besides that eh
stick with KB or AB depending on build
twilit badger
i'm totally not cherrypicking from a game or from shitty pub players
Cheery picking
When literally everyone of them were shitters
Thonk thonk
spice veldt
literally everyone eh?
and you've played with every single player that was on at the time?
twilit badger
"It'S oNly sMalL mAnOrItY oF tHeM"
radiant lance
off meta, do it for fun once you are confident w/ psyker
All I can think of is that it makes you able to spam big warp increasing moves.
cyan notch
maybe its just his region
twilit badger
Oh FFs get da fuck outta here
spice veldt
are you an idiot; I'm saying that bad players are a majority
twilit badger
are you an idiot; I'm saying that bad players are a majority
Not as much idiot as psykers with shredder maybe
cyan portal
most staff psyker players are fairly rubbish, do you judge the staves because of that?
summer prairie
I'd expect psykers with shredders to be better on average
olive ember
Some people are just too engrained with bad takes tbh
look at reddit
and yes
gun psykers are two flavors, amazing or shit
summer prairie
people using offmeta stuff tend to be better
cyan notch
hit and miss
olive ember
cuz they are either people who are trying it out and therefore shit or people who are bored and running off meta for fun
tbh idek if its off meta anymore
since autopistol and gun psyker have kinda been getting buffed every patch
magic burrow
@twilit badger go back to the vet channel please
olive ember
nono hes allowed to stay, we shouldn't gatekeep off of bad takes
cyan notch
absolutely not
cyan notch
every single one of my takes have been certified s tier
shy prairie
I myself am the vicar of christ, infallible and a saint.
twilit badger
I think i literally cannot underperform when i have shredder on vet versus psyker with shredder
shy prairie
people are going to use what they want to use
shy prairie
there's absolutely nothing anybody can do about that
cyan portal
why not try shredder on the pysker and see then?
magic burrow
I think i literally cannot underperform when i have shredder on vet versus psyke...
then youre playing a shitty shredder psyker build
olive ember
the op gun that literally every class is gushing about is good on the op class that buffs guns wow who would've thunk
but its also good on literally every class that can run it
including psyker
shy prairie
psyker buffs both guns and melee..
spice veldt
have you considered that you're just a good player irrespective of the build you run, KKND?
shy prairie
rub the magic eightball sword
vestal raven
What even is the build for the shredder
cyan notch
ab thats about it
still hearth
But Warp Unleashed and Warp Battery are definitely required.
olive ember
not even you can run KB on shredder too
still hearth
Just stack damage
magic burrow
What even is the build for the shredder
use shredder with pinning fire, which boosts soulburn DoT damage
vestal raven
alright
magic burrow
also your brainburst complements the weapon's weakpoint, which is a lack of range
vestal raven
Something like this im guessing?
magic burrow
I use psychic communion for more warp charges, but yeah tier 3 is kind of whatever flavor you like.
vestal raven
Good idea
magic burrow
also you can swap warp unleached for wrack and ruin to get more sources of soulfire, but warp unleashed is just almost too good to pass up currently.
magic burrow
the main thing you want is a good statted shredder with a high tier pinning fire blessing
summer prairie
3 groaners per bullet I think https://streamable.com/dpvg21 pretty efficient. I think you can hit 1-shot poxwalker breakpoint too on psyker
vestal raven
MilkBoi gave me this
spice veldt
what 2.5 cleave does to a mf
still hearth
3 groaners per bullet I think https://streamable.com/dpvg21 pretty efficient. I ...
Looks kinda shit tbh
Use a staff
summer prairie
yeah just use void to kill 6 per charged shot, much better
still hearth
Exactly
Its infinitely more efficient
0 ammo cost
I think with max stacks you even hit 4 groaners per bullet
magic burrow
still hearth
Yeah you should cleave through 4 groaners at 150% power
cyan notch
150% power
still hearth
It takes 20 shots to get Blaze Away fully stacked iirc
But Pinning Fire can be stacked instantly
cyan notch
lets take a moment and realise how silly that is
spice veldt
perfectly balanced; what are you talking about
still hearth
If you run +25% infested
You can also reach one shots
On poxwalkers
That is to say
3 poxwalkers
Per bullet
At full everything
To the body, of course
digital loom
well this explains why i've seen an upsurge of machine pistol psykers who suck
stop trolling gullible players with this shit
still hearth
Trying to use a close range gun after you're used to playing at 30m with your baby staff
Just get good
digital loom
i've seen maybe 50 machine pistol psykers and only 1 of them was a good player
digital loom
its always some goofy shitbuild that only works because the person using it is good at the game, and then average players getting tricked into thinking its a good loadout
machine pistol is great, i wont deny, but the funniest shit is when a psyker is crying about ammo
cyan notch
no it works because autopistol is good
digital loom
even funnier when they bring a knife too
spice veldt
you are straight up admitting that it's a player issue
manic halo
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO
digital loom
because they run out of ammo get sandbagged in a corner because t heir knife isn't doing shit and then they get dogged or something
spice veldt
what even is your argument?
digital loom
that its not directly a player issue, but an influencer issue
spice veldt
still a player issue
if they're gullible or use a build that's not fit for them, that's a player issue
digital loom
yeah they can absolve themselves of responsibility like that, but it just exposes them for what they really are
cyan notch
it seems like ur just saying people run out of ammo
light citrus
spice veldt
IMO, block eff to +maniac; and Superiority to Slaughterer
digital loom
is superiority even good
still hearth
No
spice veldt
doodoo
digital loom
i dont get it
still hearth
It sucks
spice veldt
worse than slaughterer for some fucking reason
magic burrow
even if a psyker is out of ammo, they still have brainburst
digital loom
so situational
still hearth
Executor is also better
cyan notch
like any gun just dont run out of ammo
summer prairie
but your weapon activation resets executor
digital loom
just imagine being the one class that has the option to use a ranged weapon that never runs out of ammo, and then instead choosing to run a weapon that requires them to suck up all of the ammo on the map
spice veldt
and blocking
for that reason, I'm not a fan of shred and executor (on the Force Swords)
still hearth
Of course it does, thanks Fatshark
Good job 
So what is the optimal setup for Illsi
Slaughterer obv
spice veldt
idk just play the class that doesn't take ammo then
cyan notch
maybe theyre bored of staves cant just play with 4 weapons forever
spice veldt
what's the problem if other people run guns if you yourself are playing a staff
twilit badger
then youre playing a shitty shredder psyker build
The issue is the amount of shitters with shredder greatly exceeds shitters with staff
And also
They at least all the ammo pick ups on the map
vestal raven
so shredder is gross
magic burrow
The issue is the amount of shitters with shredder greatly exceeds shitters with ...
shitters gonna shit regardless of what they do.
twilit badger
Don't
still hearth
I guess Unstable Power?
twilit badger
The ones with staff
digital loom
the problem is when i'm on vet ogryn or zealot and i run out of ammo because the psyker is sucking it all up and then we wipe because i'm doing all of the work, all because they saw it on a youtube video from some irresponsible clout chaser
spice veldt
don't play other classes; ez
still hearth
Can we stop talking about how you guys have issues with Shredder Psykers being bad. I have more issues with Psykers running Surge and making me kill everything
digital loom
i solve this by just being faster than them, its why i get to lol when they cry about ammo
magic burrow
the reason youre running out of ammo is because you are not staying in coherency with the vet
still hearth
If you want to complain about ammo pick ups then go to Vet chat
spice veldt
at least we're past the issue of people saying that shredder itself is bad
now we're just complaining about pub players being bad
shocker
twilit badger
If you want to complain about ammo pick ups then go to Vet chat
Nah
digital loom
the subject is average players being tricked into using shit builds by the influencers they watch and how that makes said influencers highly irresponsible
twilit badger
Because it applies to everyone on the team
magic burrow
when I play gunpsyker I literally only take the ammo packups everyone skips and I can count the amount of times Ive run out of ammo on a single hand
still hearth
the subject is average players being tricked into using shit builds by the influ...
This is so wrong that its painful.
twilit badger
I hate psyker shitters with gun wasting all the ammo
still hearth
Because Shredder is absolutely broken
spice veldt
i mean, the build is good
still hearth
twilit badger
Whem i'm running flamer as zealot
spice veldt
it's the players that are shit
spice veldt
f blooddrunk
vestal raven
So you stack pinning fire and then cast ur skill? Then Profit!
twilit badger
KKND have you considered that you might be the one with skill issues
How about you
Post some results then so i can understand
cyan notch
the subject is average players being tricked into using shit builds by the influ...
the build is good though ur just saying its bad just because some people dont manage their ammo which is just a basic skill like dodging or not dying or killing specials blahblah
still hearth
I don't have a Pinning Fire Blaze Away Shredder because I didn't care. But I've seen people use it and the numbers don't lie.
So its clearly a user issue if you think its not performing
digital loom
if build is good then why doesn't it carry average players
still hearth
Because I don't need to use it to see that it kills anything
spice veldt
because I've seen actually good psyker shredders
still hearth
cyan notch
ur only argument about why its bad is "people run out of ammo"
spice veldt
in one game, the shredder psyker was the best performing player (besides me) among the ogryn and purg psyker
oh i lied that was a voidstrike psyker not purg
twilit badger
ur only argument about why its bad is "people run out of ammo"
It's worse on psyker whe they are shitters
Simple
spice veldt
wow it's almost like it's the player that's the issue
cold geode
all me using shredder on my psyker, your argument is invalid.
twilit badger
Shitters with staff = don't waste ammo
cyan notch
all me using shredder on my psyker, your argument is invalid.
do u remember what condition the commsplex game was?
twilit badger
Shitters with gun = wastes ammo
cold geode
hi intensity 5
magic burrow
yeah I literally cant remember ever having a game where ammo was an issue
spice veldt
you can go through most of the map with just melee
twilit badger
Let's see if you don't ever runs out of anmo with shitters like that in your team
still hearth
I have with very specific weapons that all my friends use
twilit badger
On dam games with double modifier
cyan notch
hi intensity 5
have u noticed that the special spawns are as if it were shock troops and shock troops itself doesnt even spawn that many specials
still hearth
Like running 4x kick back on Ogryn
magic burrow
maybe for vets who bring a bolter and then use it on every poxwalker they see
twilit badger
You talk big but empty
still hearth
Go into Zealot chat and say you're mad at Shredder players for taking your ammo
And see
cold geode
have u noticed that the special spawns are as if it were shock troops and shock ...
not specifically no, that one had tons of trash mob spawns
summer prairie
hi intensity felt normal to me, shock troops had way more
cyan notch
how many is way more
spice veldt
do you just not use melee in this game
rocky cedar
Finally got a chance to play a bit since last patch dropped and wow it's cool how they made wrack and ruin decent and then basically ruined it by buffing warp unleashed into the stratosphere
still hearth
Melee is for scrubs
spice veldt
how slowly are you moving through a map that ammo is an issue
summer prairie
I was looking at the sniper mutator specs, looked like it might have more snipers than the dog mutator has dogs
twilit badger
Shitters are issues
spice veldt
yay
twilit badger
Not with good players
spice veldt
yeah it's the players that are the issue
rocky cedar
Why the fuck would I ever take Wrack over warp unleashed on any gun build anymore? Or any build really
spice veldt
I agree
magic burrow
I was looking at the sniper mutator specs, looked like it might have more sniper...
jesus christ that's terrifying
still hearth
Shitters are always issues.
rocky cedar
Weird unit balancing
twilit badger
Somehow you still don't getting this
spice veldt
Why the fuck would I ever take Wrack over warp unleashed on any gun build anymor...
memes
spice veldt
what are we not getting bruh?
spice veldt
we've been saying that it's the players that's the issue the entire time
you're the person saying that it's the shredder
summer prairie
shredder doesn't need that +10-25% anyway
olive ember
alright just did a damn game using a trauma build but with a purge staff because the fucking loadout system bugged
are we still arguing about shredder?
spice veldt
yes
twilit badger
you're the person saying that it's the shredder
Still don't get the idea that shitters with shredder are worse than shitters with staff
rocky cedar
shredder doesn't need that +10-25% anyway
It's still damn noticeable having it
twilit badger
Not very bright aren't you
olive ember
I mean
magic burrow
getting high peril on a gunbuild is kind of tough. Wrack and ruin always works. That's the only thingg I can think of. I think both are great picks, though
woeful cliff
olive ember
i've seen some rly bad players using staffs ngl
spice veldt
i mean, that doesn't mean that the weapon itself is bad?
olive ember
so
woeful cliff
Thank you Hadron, very cool.
cyan notch
>Still don't get the idea that shitters with shredder are worse than shitters wi...
thats just any class though shitters on everything suck ammo up too
still hearth
getting high peril on a gunbuild is kind of tough. Wrack and ruin always works. ...
Wrack and Ruin never works.
exotic comet
the only time I've had an issue with ammo was when the game didnt spawn more than a single ammo crate
spice veldt
I never argued that shit players who consumed ammo aren't more of a detrimemt tham staff psykers
still hearth
Imagine having the time to BB and also the room to do that with an enemy in a horde
olive ember
replace run n gun with warp nexus and you got meta basically
twilit badger
thats just any class though shitters on everything suck ammo up too
Staff doesn't suck up ammo.
olive ember
and change the 2 tier perk to a 4 tier crit chance
still hearth
Marginally
spice veldt
so it's not specific to shredder?
still hearth
You make it sound like a massive issue
spice veldt
that's just specific to any weapon that uses ammo
rocky cedar
If you're seeing shitters with autopistol now blame milk and cookies
spice veldt
like what even is your argument
summer prairie
only zealots and ogryns are allowed to suck up ammo
twilit badger
so it's not specific to shredder?
More of psykers with guns in general
It's just that everyone of those now using shredder
So shredder it is
spice veldt
yes, because zealots also famously have feats that help with ammo
how is it just psykers?
once again, what is your argument?
magic burrow
Staff doesn't suck up ammo.
No, but you do apparently to such a degree that ammo is a massive issue in your games while no one else seems to have that problem. Has it crossed your mind that maybe you are the shitter?
still hearth
So Psykers are responsible to suck with staffs
cyan notch
i dont get it if ur garbage and u spam ammo ur gonna end up with 0 on every class
twilit badger
No, but you do apparently to such a degree that ammo is a massive issue in your ...
No i don't think so
Judging from end game scoreboard
cyan notch
TBF a zealot is throwing if they are bringing anything thats not a flamer
say that in zealot chat
spice veldt
No i don't think so
hey, so how is it just psykers and not zealots?
twilit badger
hey, so how is it just psykers and not zealots?
Idk, fewer shitter zealots in my experiences
Than shitter psykers
spice veldt
hmm, player issue then
twilit badger
spice veldt
good to know
magic burrow
"be a good varlet and zap the big lads with the staff for me so I can gun everyone down and feel like a god without needing to think about defense"
spice veldt
also so that's not even a fuckin class issue; that's just a player population issue
twilit badger
Idk kinda is
spice veldt
is it so hard to just speak in general terms and say that "shitty players who eat ammo suck"?
twilit badger
From my experiences
spice veldt
rather than specifically allocating it to psykers?
still hearth
I get their point
twilit badger
Idk the region you play but on my region it's very true
rocky cedar
Psyker is very obviously the second most effective class with ranged so the ammo is being used more efficiently by them than a Zealot
twilit badger
Psykers are massive shitters in general
spice veldt
it never applies to my games because I just hold W and rush the map before my teammates run out of ammo
olive ember
I'm NA
twilit badger
Like way higher chances of being shitters than other classes
olive ember
every player I see is a shitter
vets are a standout
but besides that
literally everyone I play is either dogshit or godtier
mellow dock
Where can i find someone to help me get the Malleus Monstrum penance done
olive ember
no in between
cyan notch
LOL
olive ember
Ehhh I've seen double shield ogryn on damn
it was...
an experience
new players too
you could kinda tell
twilit badger
Yeah i guess it's regional thing
spice veldt
shieldgryn would make you lose more ammo because of the lower DPS
cyan notch
ogryns are pretty bad in my games
twilit badger
I'm on far east asia
spice veldt
I'm NA West
hybrid solstice
They are tends to be good players
except all the countless ones TAAAAANKING
olive ember
NA east
hybrid solstice
with the slab shield
cyan notch
they are bottom tier dont do anything block bullets eat bullets die
olive ember
Not even that
rocky cedar
Shield Ogryn biggest shitters, definitely Vet 2nd in my experience
olive ember
its the fact that when they are doing something
they are knocking enemies behind your teammates
or knocking them when you are about to cleave them down
solid elk
I like the knife for my Ogryn
woeful cliff
I found the chad beta helmet prison garb kickback shield ogryn in a heresy game earlier
solid elk
Makes me feel like an Ork
olive ember
yeah okay the loadout system is buggy af
I had the weapons from my loadout 2 equipped (purge)
but I was running the feats from my loadout 3 (trauma)
big bruh
cyan notch
u gotta click it a few times to make sure it changes ur shit
olive ember
yeah normally I do but I guess I forgot
I think the first time I noticed was when KF procc'ed on a fucking poxwalker while I was flaming a group of enemies
still hearth
I've found it works if you exit out of the feat screen
olive ember
and I was just like "shit..."
woeful cliff
So what's a good build for purgatus? I assume the only mandatory perks are ascendant and warp unleash
olive ember
So what's a good build for purgatus? I assume the only mandatory perks are ascen...
this is what I run
feel free to swap essence harvest for quietitude
still hearth
olive ember
I personally am not confident with my stack upkeep since I tend to press F on cooldown
so I run communion
vestal finch
You should set your mind in motion
still hearth
Its very rare that I don't get 6 stacks back from just AB personally
vestal finch
I run it unironically in Damnation
olive ember
Depends on how big of a horde tbh
still hearth
I mean I've ran Damnation without feats
Unironically
But that doesn't mean its good
cyan notch
stop lying
olive ember
so yeah
cyan notch
u can it ironically
olive ember
speaking of it
still hearth
I also run it ironically
still hearth
pog
olive ember
updated to take into account all the buffs >.>
still hearth
No way to get Soulblaze + Wildfire seems like the legit way to play
olive ember
its not as Meta as the old MetaPsykerTM but its more Meta than the other builds we have now
vestal finch
How is this meta?
cyan notch
just deleselect everything
vestal finch
I run Quicken
olive ember
just deleselect everything
I could but then thats too meta. Also its funny to try and figure out the most cursed feat combo
rather than just not running anything
rocky cedar
So does anybody else feel like the warp unleashed buff might be kinda too much?
still hearth
No
vestal finch
No
cyan notch
I could but then thats *too* meta. Also its funny to try and figure out the most...
that build is good for bb actually
rocky cedar
I feel like Psyker is just swimming in global bonus damage now
still hearth
I feel like they need to buff the other stuff
near bluff
Wait, people take the vent movement trait even tho you can vent while dodging?
woeful cliff
Yeah, they really are.
still hearth
To be more in line.
still hearth
Wait, people take the vent movement trait even tho you can vent while dodging?
Only ironically.
olive ember
I mean
vestal finch
I take it.
olive ember
I think they should buff the other traits to be in line with the current warp unleashed tbh
woeful cliff
You only need to vent for like 2 seconds max with the quell buff
spice veldt
I feel like Psyker is just swimming in global bonus damage now
yeah; they buffed warp unleashed the 1st time because it was situational to force weapons, then they buffed it to open up some build diversity
near bluff
Always felt pointless since psyker gets the only infinite dodge count weapons
olive ember
its kinda weird in the sense that global dmg makes it rly useful and also alot simplier to think about than "oh yeah its good specifically for the breakpoints on these weapons"
cyan notch
some people like it which is fine
spice veldt
i do see a nerf coming to WU, as much as I hate to see it go
rocky cedar
I'd still take inner tranq on trauma I guess
woeful cliff
It isn't gonna go, I just think they're gonna reduce the damage bonus
olive ember
I think the big thing honestly will be
rocky cedar
Maybe
still hearth
I'd run WU literally just for BB damage
olive ember
quelling
I think active quelling is a bit overtuned at the moment
as much as I like it
vestal finch
As long as the nerf doesn't stop me one shotting ragers, It'll b fine
woeful cliff
25% global is a little cracked.
rocky cedar
I think synergies are more interesting than global damage buffs
olive ember
so if they tune down active quelling then warp resist will come back naturally I think
idk
cyan notch
yea if u dont take warp unleashed u lose a lot of bb breakpoints so not even considering weapon stuff ur losing out on bb already
olive ember
cuz rn the thought process is that warp resist is kinda irrelevant since
you can hold your quell button for like a second and you lose like 50% peril
still hearth
You guys still hear voices?
woeful cliff
Why is warp dangerous
still hearth
Smh
rocky cedar
It's good for getting high warp flurry uptime on trauma
hybrid solstice
I've run MiM on most of my damnation runs so far but it feels like they buffed the regular quelling movespeed without it
olive ember
the only argument against this would be to keep warp flurry uptime but then its an argument of "is casting 2 more times under warp flurry before quelling worth the net damage loss from your entire kit"
rocky cedar
But worth giving up a bunch of damage on your entire kit?
woeful cliff
You guys still hear voices?
I have it down to 60%, still enough to help me not blow up.
rocky cedar
Ehhhhh
spice veldt
i like the peril generation for trauma cuz of quietude
olive ember
You guys still hear voices?
filthy modder, fake psyker
spice veldt
since otherwise I would lose more toughness than I generate when fighting ranged enemies
olive ember
doesn't want to play the true psyker experience, as the devs intended
hybrid solstice
filthy modder, fake psyker
i think they added options for the peril effect
spice veldt
and I partially just use trauma as a gap closer to whack them with melee
olive ember
also ngl I use the voices as an indicator kek
When I play with the game muted I legit blow myself up like a malice player
still hearth
I have it down to 60%, still enough to help me not blow up.
I just moved my peril above my crosshair and its very easy to keep in mind
woeful cliff
Oh mods? I thought you meant the new option they added.
olive ember
wait
they added new options?
fuck
Now people can no longer experience the voices 24/7
smh
woeful cliff
Yeah, you can tone down the intensity of the high peril effect.
spice veldt
vestal finch
I think it's only for the VFX
rocky cedar
Well I guess I really am alone in thinking Psyker was over buffed
spice veldt
i do think that psyker got overbuffed as well
vestal finch
psyker is ez now
woeful cliff
I have it at 60% intensity, so I don't get earraped when I get to asplode range but can still be notified.
hybrid solstice
Does that affect the visuals or just the audio?
spice veldt
esp with the quelling AND the fact that we got illisi
i only personally noticed the audio
woeful cliff
Does that affect the visuals or just the audio?
both
vestal finch
Does that affect the visuals or just the audio?
It's in Interface. Take a guess.
hybrid solstice
Ah
spice veldt
very cool
vestal finch
I do wish someone could restore the peril bar from the Closed Beta
hybrid solstice
It's in Interface. Take a guess.
not an easy guess since it affects both
woeful cliff
It would be nice to have sliders for both but
this is a step in the right direction
olive ember
Well I guess I really am alone in thinking Psyker was over buffed
mehhh Remember I'm looking at their vet
woeful cliff
So, I tried using a soulblaze voidstrike build, animation cancelling for orb spam
olive ember
so until we are as strong as vets I'm gonna cry that psyker is weak and puny and isn't even worth running in malice
woeful cliff
It was either that or
olive ember
yeah swap focused channeling for nexus tbh
olive ember
then you can have a funny wildfire build
spice veldt
i would not want stamina
spice veldt
because your relative stamina regenerates slower
still hearth
On anything
spice veldt
and i'm not ever using my stamina on staff
woeful cliff
still hearth
I mean they're equally useless so its fine
olive ember
ya know it just dawned on me
woeful cliff
spice veldt
though stamina can be a detriment
still hearth
But idk, I'll just never keep crit damage
olive ember
I fucked up my sleep schedule and its 4 AM now
spice veldt
because of the slower relative regen
olive ember
I should go back to sleep
still hearth
Its okay I run duelling sword
spice veldt
whereas crit dmg is just useless at worst
still hearth
For that instant regen
Actually I runn Illisi all the time now
But that's the same thing
woeful cliff
because of the slower relative regen
I noticed this, it actually works great to have low stamina and low delay. It's a blessing in disguise for Psykers
still hearth
Ideally you want one weapon with low stam and one with high stam
To make use of it
Because otherwise its not really a difference
woeful cliff
Tru
still hearth
Staffs have like 4 or 5 stam base?
woeful cliff
But I never even really sprint with staff, I always take out my sword.
spice veldt
i always run with bb
woeful cliff
Since, dashing is literally faster than sprinting
still hearth
I mean I never run with my staff either, yeah
spice veldt
I only ever sprint with staff to slide or dodge ranged
still hearth
And I don't really care about stamina with it
But apparently you can side sprint to dodge shots
SO maybe I gotta do that
spice veldt
yeah
you can do that on all staffs except voidstrike
because for some reason voidstrike has different interactions with sprinting for some reason for some reason
still hearth
Because its OP
woeful cliff
for some reason
still hearth
I think I'm more and more putting Void above Purg
Its really hard for me since I think Purg is OP as fuck
But Void is just so versatile
woeful cliff
I love void.
spice veldt
i hate projectile weapons that don't have fast fire rates
woeful cliff
i hate projectile weapons that don't have fast fire rates
Animation cancels are your friend
spice veldt
if it's not a plasmagun I dun like it
even with the animation cancel, the fire rate isn't that fast
oh right not darktide plasmagun but quake plasmagun
woeful cliff
Meh, I like the feeling of the uncharged shot spam, but again, the stagger isn't great so even flak brutes can sometimes just iceskate to you while you shoot them
spice veldt
yeah the other problem i have with uncharged voidstrikes is that charging scales the damage and cleave
I don't mind the stagger too much now that we got the illisi
fuckin whack ragers with that sword
whack whack whack
shy prairie
Illisi with slaughterer is just
still hearth
They made a fun Force Sword and they better not do things to it
shy prairie
cyan notch
they probably have to touch it
spice veldt
NAO
still hearth
They have to buff other weapons
Or nerf Power Sword
Otherwise I will fucking riot
Any time they nerf other melees
cyan notch
remove deflector fix l4 stat scaling remove jacking off
woeful cliff
I found that around 20% charge for vs is the breakpoint for decent pierce on most smaller enemies, that usually gets the big damage payoff
light citrus
still hearth
woeful cliff
Go all the way, hear Hadron praise the omnisiah for 25% maniac
spice veldt
reroll with rarity mod
woeful cliff
rarity mod?
still hearth
Auto reroll
spice veldt
the name is a bit of a holdover from when it could only reroll to a specific rarity, but it can now reroll for a specific perk and rarity
cyan notch
cuz it probably wasnt meant to be free
spice veldt
not enough resources to change the system
yeah; it was changed from increasing costs to decreasing
olive ember
cuz it probably wasnt meant to be free
it wasn't
the original patch note mentioned that every consecutive upgrade was gonna be more expensive
cloud sequoia
ay shop checker is working again
quasi pier
I wish they'd increase the chance of finding blessings that you haven't earned at hadron
woeful cliff
I don’t really find myself checking shop much anymore, they don’t give good blessings anymore, now it’s all about that plasteel grind
woeful cliff
Because I would get nexus on my voidstrike but I can’t seem to find it
ember hornet
tfw this is better than all zealot weapons 😦
spice veldt
zealots aren't real
forest coral
No more pain
woeful cliff
Flamer class
forest coral
Only cringe mind bullets
ember hornet
take it easy I've been crying since patch
tulip linden
tfw this is better than all zealot weapons 😦
Gotta get them bleed Blessings on your weapons. Then the Zealot becomes a monster to play with.
ember hornet
you are so so so wrong and I'm sorry
bleed is one of the worst things a zealot can do
woeful cliff
Bleed used to be alright, but they toned it down.
tulip linden
[Faith Restored] and [Bloodletting] feats has been turning Zealots into tanks when paired with the other feats they could get at level 15 and 20.
Plus it helps out Ogryns tremendously when they have the [Bloodthirst] feat as they get damage reduction.
spice veldt
mere peasants dare for 75% toughness dmg reduction
ember hornet
Faith restored is actually quite bad now
tulip linden
In terms of doing damage, yeah it has been nerfed quite a bit. But staying alive while being surrounded is a must in Heresy or Damnation modes.
ember hornet
bleed does no damage
vestal finch
bleed is one of the worst things a zealot can do
You suck
ember hornet
EWEW is faaaaar better than faith restored
vestal finch
No cap, reject
woeful cliff
Zealots already stay alive forever if they feel like it
ember hornet
knife does basically nothing
vestal finch
Use a tactical axe.
ember hornet
for bleed!?
vestal finch
Then admit you just suck
ember hornet
WOOO 30 DAMAGE TO A POXWALKER
tulip linden
Have you used a Tactical Axe against anything? It stun locks Crushers and applies a good chunk of damage when a special attack is used.
ember hornet
Then admit you just suck
the only zealots that suck are ones that still use bleed and crit DR lol
I'm well aware that the good zealot weapons are hsword caxe and taxe cause you don't have to think and they are good at everything
vestal finch
We should take this to #zealot-class
tired estuary
no take it to vet chan
ember hornet
regardless
spice veldt
mk4 TAxe is pretty good
ember hornet
Illissi is absurd
spice veldt
illisi is gooder
cyan notch
i like mk7
spice veldt
mk4 has the diagonal lights which don't have a damage target cap
cyan notch
mk7 has em too on light 2 and 3
spice veldt
smh not all lights being diagonals
ember hornet
mk4 has the diagonal lights which don't have a damage target cap
BM is good game design
spice veldt
very good game design
summer prairie
What exactly is this, it's for Zealot 2-2 (Punishment)
spice veldt
just like 150% power on shredders, 75% power on slaughterer/hsword headtaker
ember hornet
just like 150% power on shredders, 75% power on slaughterer/hsword headtaker
hsword is like +165% damage
with both rampage and slaughterer lol
headtaker rather
spice veldt
whew
cyan notch
slaughterer but better
spice veldt
punishment is the increased stagger and uninterruptible feat right
ember hornet
yes
spice veldt
guess they floated around the idea of it increasing your damage against staggered enemies
ember hornet
that would be too OP
spice veldt
although for only maniac?
summer prairie
They changed it to vs electrocuted in this big patch
spice veldt
oh right red and green
ember hornet
sounds weird
shy prairie
should I continue grinding for Iblisi blessings or actually do my goddamn penances
ember hornet
why not both
spice veldt
illisi should be your true love
shy prairie
ember hornet
I love a casual +150% power on illisi
shy prairie
just a smidgen of power
ember hornet
too bad I can't swing it 400 times in a row like vet
cyan notch
nerf slaughterer ez
summer prairie
The special is a bit awkward to use if you are solo vs horde
spice veldt
i like to spam the 1st heavy if I don't have the space to activate it
the normal combo is a bit more clunkier than the obscurus because pushing chains into the 2nd attack
which is quite annoying
though blocking won't do that
ember hornet
everything kinda just dies anyways so eh
I'm using to dealing with activating special and positioning in hordes back from the golden age of hammer
spice veldt
i hold W into hordes to get the maximum surface area
forest coral
The age of hammeresy
ember hornet
rip crucis 2022-2023
vestal finch
RIP
lethal folio
That was a beta feat. Zealot stumm grenade caused the effect to get the damage bonus.
summer prairie
but presumably they are thinking of reworking it
ember hornet
imagine if the illisi just had 3 seconds of end lag as balance
or 2, whatever the exact time isn
cyan notch
isnt hammer heavy1 uninterruptible
mellow dock
So whats the best Blaze force sword right now?
cyan notch
a lot of other heavies are interruptible
ember hornet
hammer heavies aren't uninterruptible afaik but I run TWBS
spice veldt
if we're looking at the force swords in a vacuum, I'd say illisi is the best of the bunch
but you prob won't need the hordeclear if you run purg n all that so deimos is a good contender
mellow dock
gotcha
ember hornet
a lot of other heavies are interruptible
but now when you land a special you can't do anything at all for over 2 seconds
mellow dock
so the old one is inferior to both
ember hornet
yeah
spice veldt
obscurus is the middle of the bunch with a normal combo that isn't clunky, but I think it does get overshadowed by the more specialized variants by a bit
radiant lance
I don’t really find myself checking shop much anymore, they don’t give good bles...
Still need to find good base stats weapon to brick though.
ember hornet
illisi and deimos are very good
spice veldt
thought you said it had no rights
radiant lance
What staves are considered good these days outside of Purg?
mellow dock
Yeah the light heavy is not bad
spice veldt
all of them
mellow dock
wish it cleaved more
shy prairie
they all have a niche
spice veldt
I personally like the trauma out of all the staffs
radiant lance
Glad to hear it. What is the niche of each one in your opinions?
shy prairie
pov: you are a heretic
🪩
spice veldt
stagger + cleave for trauma, range + cleave for void, cleave for purg, stagger for surge
ember hornet
surge also kinda whatever depending on team
purg and surge are better with more methodical play/teams
cyan notch
trauma and purg better than the rest imo
spice veldt
trauma is good if you want to hold W against ranged enemies
forest coral
Purge is better the worse the team is 
olive ember
purg and surge are better with more methodical play/teams
purge is not methodical
you just spray randomly
and it works
radiant lance
When do you use Void over Purg? Seems they are both for hordeclear
ember hornet
purge is not methodical
well it's highest value is when you don't have a team that holds W and clears hordes fast it what I meant
and don't have a flamer
radiant lance
Void is more ranged horde clear
Why would you need a higher ranged hordeclear though?
Purg deletes whatever comes close anyway
ember hornet
ranged horde clear kills ranged packs
forest coral
well it's highest value is when you don't have a team that holds W and clears ho...
The damage fell behind hard in our games today with Darcy since you were mostly killing the things I lit up before they died
ember hornet
the most dangerous thing in game
mellow dock
I personally dont see value in void
radiant lance
ranged horde clear kills ranged packs
Oh fair enough
mellow dock
it is redundant
forest coral
normally ascendant blaze top damages in hi intense quick joins
ember hornet
The damage fell behind hard in our games today with Darcy since you were mostly ...
yeah exactly, I was struggling to do damage too even with void
mellow dock
Purge/surge are the most useful in my opinion
ember hornet
2 autopistols go brrr
shy prairie
stg lights out throwing half a battalion of the 6th, in cover, in elevated positions at us
mellow dock
Trauma is more for higher level players but I personally dont like it
radiant lance
Purge/surge are the most useful in my opinion
Thanks mate
What about Trauma makes it for higher skill?
spice veldt
i wouldn't say higher skill
ember hornet
trauma seems like it might be in contention for best even if it's a bit wonky
mellow dock
Well aiming that circle on the ground
spice veldt
trauma is pretty easy to use in most map sections
mellow dock
while purg you just spray all over
spice veldt
just hold RMB and slide into enemies
olive ember
it also doesn't kill things nearly as well as the purge and the voidstrike imo
so for new players they will prob end up knocking shit all around em
mellow dock
yep
olive ember
and then get hit in the back by the trash that stands back up behidn em
mellow dock
Arco
spice veldt
trauma opens up the opportunity for your team to do damage if it doesn't kill enemies
radiant lance
Trauma seems more so for control when shit gets dicey
mellow dock
again you are proving what i said
ember hornet
purg just falls off hard in good/fast teams
mellow dock
it is for higher level of play
radiant lance
purg just falls off hard in good/fast teams
Does it? I think giving space for your team to take care of specials is always good
mellow dock
Slide in to them and RMB... which newer players will do that
Bend
use Purg
get good with it
olive ember
I just run surge staff so yeah
radiant lance
Why would you slide into RMB?
olive ember
best staff
mellow dock
move on to the next
ember hornet
Does it? I think giving space for your team to take care of specials is always g...
I'm used to playing with people that kill everything before it can be effective, but you aren't gonna play with people like that all the time
mellow dock
Master each staff... and then come to your own conclusions depending on your own play style
radiant lance
and then whack them with melee
You mean "RMB" to block with a melee then
cyan notch
premade makes a lot of the outliers obvious
spice veldt
radiant lance
https://streamable.com/b14gy5
Oh I see now
ember hornet
and if you have a flamer zealot when running purg it's like, why am I here
spice veldt
do that for the entire mission and your team can just hold W against ranged enemies instead of sitting behind cover
radiant lance
and if you have a flamer zealot when running purg it's like, why am I here
That's true, yeah
spice veldt
depends on the map section though
consignment yard is insanely linear and is thus a good fit for trauma
cyan notch
purg is still good if u have flamer especially for mid/end events
ember hornet
yeah hi5 is probably only place where purg is gonna shine
forest coral
Basically with strong preset
lament fractal
Play purg right and it's basically your melee weapon too
forest coral
Otherwise a vet and 2 zealots with auto pistols will literally delete everything before your damage even ticks properly