psyker-class

[feral verge]

yeah its a very sensible combo

that's what im kinda sa ying

i dont want warp resist

i want it as low as possible

[faint vault]

Yeah, gotcha

[feral verge]

my illisi FUCKS because it has 41% warp resist

cuz i can do this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UyAv2rMiM

[spice veldt]

i'd prob want 51% warp res since that's 24.60% peril generated

good enough for 5 specials but it lands you basically right at 100% peril

[stable hare]

Just got my psyker to 30. Whats a solid combination of weapons to start with?

[near wyvern]

Penance gear is drip, no need to use anything else 😎

[topaz sable]

@spice veldt he also has the Exorcist blessing, so at 100% peril, as long as he hits a weakspot on one guy, he can charge + swing at 100% peril without dying

[leaden thunder]

tbf you might proc battle meditation

[umbral jetty]

best deimos i've rolled so far. but you cant cycle the special as fast as the illisi 💔

[feral verge]

there is only one docket skin that drips imo

my OG outfit before i got penance skins

[olive ember]

idk everytime I use the deimos I just go

"wow I wish I was using the obscurus"

[umbral jetty]

i liked the obscurus, but the moveset felt so... non-ambitious

[leaden thunder]

very basic, but psyker has easily the best base drip

[umbral jetty]

that is a good looking skin, with the dark colors

[feral verge]

not even

psyker has the best overall drip

[olive ember]

psyker has complete trash for mtx

[feral verge]

zealot comes second

[leaden thunder]

I am not a fan of the paid stuff for psyker

[olive ember]

but the penance gear is decent atleast

[umbral jetty]

They need to try harder if they want my $$ for skins

[near wyvern]

Purgatus + DFS is probably the best way to start. Purge is one of the easiest staves to use effectively. Get Deflector on DFS and use Kinetic Deflection and you can get away with extremely stupid positioning.

[leaden thunder]

oh yeah

[umbral jetty]

has deflector been hot-fixed off the illisi and deimos yet?

[topaz sable]

really? first light attack kills any trash, and the second heavy in a chain might be the hardest hitting melee in the game outside of thunder hammer

[leaden thunder]

for counter shooting with the void staff do you spam uncharged or what

[stable hare]

DFS is the deimos sword right? What about the ilisi

[feral verge]

not yet

[feral verge]

illisi is really good. i run it with purga.

[olive ember]

yeah I'd rather just use an Obscurus for actual horde clear and then special to kill anything else

[near wyvern]

Eh whut, exorcist only triggers for 2nd swing in chain and onwards.

[umbral jetty]

honestly glad that it shipped with the bug, was trying for a while to shop around for deflector on the obscurus, and never got it. pretty underwhelmed with it

[olive ember]

none of this jank light - heavy - cancel bullshit to get any form of mileage

[stable hare]

Ok so what are the stats to look for and what are the dump stats on the staves?

[olive ember]

depends on the staff

[stable hare]

Lets start with Purg

[feral verge]

this is what you want p much

[leaden thunder]

damage for the purge staff

[olive ember]

quell speed then damage

[wintry plover]

IMO deflector should be built in and the blessing should let you block while reviving. Maybe that would be too strong

[umbral jetty]

depends on staff and playstyle. depending on how you like your peril, try to get a low warp resist. quell speed is also ehh depending on your playstyle

[feral verge]

burn and cloud radius are the most important stats on purgatus

[topaz sable]

as long as you're not at 100% peril when you charge you should be able to spam charge -> heavy right?

[olive ember]

every time you charge you reset the chain iirc

[feral verge]

i believe you want burn stat to be 76% or higher, to hit a breakpoint

[leaden thunder]

yeah

[spice veldt]

on-hit blessings seem to be unable to proc multiple times on the 1st swing

[topaz sable]

Either way just don't get to 100% peril on the first time you swing and you're fine

or hit once with an uncharged attack first

I saw a clip earlier and it looked really gross

[spice veldt]

following up with a normal will work

[umbral jetty]

can you get the double-hit on crit with the surge staff? for the basics?

[near wyvern]

IFS is glorious but if your ranged weapon already deals with horde and has only trouble with Crushers and Bulwakrs you might as well take a weapon that dispatches them quickly when you can't BB. So DFS is the better choice. Moreover, DFS has much better mobility than IFS which allow you to reposition better with Purge which has a limited range.

[topaz sable]

I could be misremembering what I saw in the clip though

[spice veldt]

nope; surge does not have any on-crit blessings interestingly enough

[olive ember]

nope

[stable hare]

Thanks for the input!

[topaz sable]

the mobility is a big point, infinite dodges on DFS feels incredible

[leaden thunder]

both have that

iirc

[near wyvern]

I haven't tested how multiple hit in one swing count, but if they do you gotta hit at least 2 heads.

[topaz sable]

DFS has extra dodge distance, the others have negative

[leaden thunder]

I think the demios' ones go farther tho

[topaz sable]

yeah

[umbral jetty]

I'd say Psyker really jumped to top in terms of most fun to play class

[faint vault]

It always was, Arthur.

[olive ember]

IFS is amazing hordeclear, OFS is general use + single target special, DFS is overrated

[feral verge]

that's why i main psyker since almost day 1

[olive ember]

Kek

[feral verge]

and i cant play my zealot for too long cuz its notas fun or engaging

[olive ember]

look at this guy, hasn't been using psyker since the CBT

fake psyker

[feral verge]

its brain off mode for me

[umbral jetty]

DFS will end up becoming overrated, i'd say that it is pretty fairly assessed currently. its good, not the best, but it does its job very well

[stable hare]

and whats the dump stat on DMS? mobility as always?

[near wyvern]

@stable hare if you just hit 30 it might be a bit overwhelming but when you are a bit familiar with the class you might want to give a glance at the Atheneum, link is in the pinned messages. It's a lot to take in tho.

[faint vault]

Force resist, Soda.

[topaz sable]

is the OFS better at anything than the DFS though?

[worn cypress]

hey how many stacks can a purg staff put on a target max? like I know it scales with burn stat(?) but whats the theoretical maximum

[topaz sable]

they did buff the OFS so maybe I need to try it again but Idk

[olive ember]

horde clear, its special actually has a use

[feral verge]

yeah warp resist is the dump stat

[stable hare]

btw what break points you reach at 76% burn that is so important?

[umbral jetty]

its moveset on the OFS is more intuitive and easy to use probably

[olive ember]

I can one shot crushers with the OFS

[spice veldt]

the 2nd heavy is more horizontal than the 1st heavy of DFS

[fierce sinew]

15 max stacks

[olive ember]

idk why I would need a DFS outside of better dodge

[umbral jetty]

even though DFS spam lights is still pretty effective

popping heads with stabs feels better than OFS

[near wyvern]

Yeah CBT Psyker main here. Still haven't hit 30 on the rest of the three classes.

[topaz sable]

I mean, if you can kill stuff without charging, that's just more efficient, even if it feels wrong

[cyan notch]

both specials are the same so "its special has a use isnt saying anything"

[topaz sable]

I still think its worth charging if it's something you'll 1-tap

[umbral jetty]

DFS is more useful without using the special

[faint vault]

Light-heavy combo absolutely destroys, Derpy. It's crazy dps. A light tap to the head of a mutant one shots it.

[feral verge]

ive hit 30 on zealot

[faint vault]

It's like an Antax on roids.

[feral verge]

i ahve been very s lowly levelling ogryn. level 23 atm. but i cant get into it too mcuh

[near wyvern]

Psyker Atheneum in pinned messages, Section 5 once you get it open.

[stable hare]

What perks am i looking for DFS and Purg?

[feral verge]

it just feels so goddamn slow

the reloading, the movement

[olive ember]

damn lol

I hit 30

[feral verge]

ik the movement isnt any slower than the other classses

[olive ember]

hated everyone of em

besides maybe vet

[feral verge]

but his height makes him FEEL slow

[olive ember]

went back to psyker

[umbral jetty]

issue is ogryn is so large he feels slow

[safe crystal]

I have 2 psykers at 30, and one of each of the others

[worn cypress]

I have that open right now and dont see any mention on purg max stacks, only max stacks in general

whichs why I came in and asked

[olive ember]

I can 3 shot a mutant on OFS

without needing to QQ either

[fierce sinew]

your staff max is tied to the burn stat

mouse over it

[worn cypress]

I know

[fierce sinew]

then look

[worn cypress]

whats the theoretical maximum

lol

[faint vault]

I can one tap a mutant with one light attack. Pretty sick.

[fierce sinew]

15 right now

[worn cypress]

thanks, didnt thought it'd be so hard lol

[near wyvern]

For Purge it's a bit up to you but most people like to run +crit chance since crits apply double soulblaze stacks. As long as you don't have +crit damage or +carapace on it it's gonna work fine.

For blessings you want Warp Flurry + Warp Nexus.

For DFS anything works, it hits like a truck. If you want to optimize for damage you take +maniac and +carapace so you can quickly dispatch the mutants who otherwise wreack havoc and crushers that hit like a truck. Blessings wise Deflector + Unstable Power are the best for a defensive DFS.

[fierce sinew]

it's the opposite of hard, that's why it's perplexing lol

[worn cypress]

the mouseover shows 16 as max

but we all know the game stats is bullshit bc we cant get over 80%

thats why I asked

[fierce sinew]

like is this fella asking something he can just mouse over an item in game to see?

so mouse over an 80

[worn cypress]

I dont have a 80 😐

[near wyvern]

Purge has max stacks listed on the weapon. Investigate it and hover mouse on the burn stat.

[stable hare]

is 14.00 stacks that much worse than 15.00?

[cyan notch]

you dont need to qq with anything

[worn cypress]

yeah my friend the max is listed as 16

for 100%

as usual with these stats

[near wyvern]

Yes, but you can only get 80% ATM

[worn cypress]

I know 😄

thats why I asked in here

[topaz sable]

my burn is at 80 and it's 15 stacks

[fierce sinew]

you can check the pinned doc to see the numerical difference, but I personally trash any sub 15

[umbral jetty]

is terrifying barrage any use on trauma staff?

[stable hare]

I see, thanks

[safe crystal]

Only against monstrosities. 14 stacks will burn almost everything else, i think it was mutants and crushers who live

[worn cypress]

if you have warp nexus it can put beyond the max stacks on crit

too

so theres also that mechanic

[stable hare]

So damage is important aswell?

for purg

[fierce sinew]

no

dump stat

[stable hare]

ty

[near wyvern]

No. The RMB stagger overrides the supression.

[stable hare]

how is this?

[near wyvern]

If you get flurry nexus on it it will do

Damage doesn't really matter for purge

[stable hare]

Literally the best combination of stats from like 300k dockets

[near wyvern]

Quell speed is also not important

[stable hare]

people said quell speed is good

[ornate hamlet]

I thought purg was a damage staff

[leaden thunder]

it is

but the damage doesn't come from the damage stat

[worn cypress]

the dmg comes from the soulblaze stacks scaling exponentially

instead of dmg stat

[ornate hamlet]

Wack

[cyan notch]

the damage does come from damage but the variance between min and max is very small

[worn cypress]

ya

[near wyvern]

Quell speed for purge doesn't matter. As long as you have enemies incoming you will not run out if you have high warp resist. Battle Meditation will do the quelling. And now the difference between 0% quelling speed and 80% quelling speed is from 3 to 2 seconds.

[feral verge]

I didn't need high quell speed before the peril quell buff, and I definitely don't need it now, after that buff

On purga

[worn cypress]

ye

[feral verge]

I think mine only has 62%

[worn cypress]

I think a lot of us just quell by swapping to sword and hacking at things for a bit

with a FS with exorcist or just passive quell

[cyan notch]

nah

[fierce sinew]

if you're actually passive quelling you do that with antax, if you have a sword out you're fishing for battle meditation/exorcist procs

[worn cypress]

ye

I did passive quell duelling for a bit before the new swords

[fierce sinew]

DS enjoyers been quiet since the new FS dropped

[stable hare]

does the extra % damage from perks affect the soulblaze from purg? or only the base flame damage?

[feral verge]

Yeah I don't use my Mk4 ds anymore

[fierce sinew]

soulblaze is modified by the perks on whatever you're currently holding

[worn cypress]

I like the swing pattern of illisi better now

[spice veldt]

fuck i'm blanking; what's DS

[worn cypress]

duelling sword

[stable hare]

i see

[spice veldt]

ahhhh

right i forgot those weapons existed

[near wyvern]

Well no doubt. DFS is the new duelling sword. Even deals better with horde than the non-existing cleave DS have.

[fierce sinew]

mkv is still faster though, right?

strictly mobility stick now though

[stable hare]

i guess deflector even at T1 is alright enough?

[leaden thunder]

would y'all still take peril res talent on the truma?

[fierce sinew]

until they nerf the new swords deflector has actual zero text (other than the block efficiency)

[feral verge]

Deflector only needs t1 to do it's job

[fierce sinew]

it's on by default lmao

[stable hare]

huh?

doesnt reduce peril gained by %?

cause i got a t1 deflector on the first deimos sword i upgraded

[fierce sinew]

I guess you get some block efficiency, fair enough

[near wyvern]

Yes. Dagger and DS5 are the dedicated mobility sticks, but DFS with infinite dodges, able to have Deflector and infinite cleave push just makes it too good to pass on if you are looking for a dedicated defensive/mobility stick.

[feral verge]

The important thing about deflector is blocking bullets. Not block cost. The block cost is miniscule

T4 only has 12% block reduction

[spice veldt]

the new force swords are bugged such that Deflector is on by default even without the blessing

[fierce sinew]

DS also have non-force weapon passive quell going them

[near wyvern]

Which will get fixed 100% so don't count on it.

[worn cypress]

I wish they'd just make that the default, make the deflector blessing have % chance to deflect the damage or something

[rare furnace]

So slaughter cleave is in racing dmg as it pass through the enemies you kill and I can kill 4 at once I couldn’t before

[worn cypress]

they're jedi swords

[fierce sinew]

yeah if the "fix" is adding deflector to OFS and removing the blessing entirely that would be sick

[spice veldt]

yeah slaughterer is insanely nutty

[rare furnace]

I have it only lvl 2 but it does job

[leaden thunder]

3rd best blessign in the game

first being pinng fire

second being heavy sword's headtaker

[feral verge]

Nope

Best blessings are whatever I'm currently using

[spice veldt]

i'm the best blessing

[rare furnace]

I have crit level 3 bless as well

I’m a damnation penance

For tier 4 masks… oh wait I Dont exist

[safe crystal]

The best blessings are the friends we made along the way

[near wyvern]

No, your mum is.

[leaden thunder]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071676125287292929/1085604871950053416/rrane.gif

[feral verge]

Gonna bury my dick so far into her blessing that the next person to pull it out gonna be crowned king Arthur

[spice veldt]

i hope that you're a murder victim in a phoenix wright game so you get murdered in the most convoluted manner possible

[feral verge]

Many have tried, and that many have failed

[spice veldt]

and the dorkiest lawyers involved in the case

[still hearth]

It speeds up clear marginally.

I think the first three seconds you do more direct damage than DoT with Purge.

Generally.

But the DoT stacks goes up to nasty numbers.

And the way the damage scales idk what kind of values are even worth considering.

[late yew]

What is opinion on both new swords?

[still hearth]

Illsi sweet af

[leaden thunder]

good

[spice veldt]

i love the illisi

[still hearth]

Built in Deflector feels right

Haven't tried Daimos

[leaden thunder]

it used a grey one

[still hearth]

But Illsi is just

[leaden thunder]

it put in work

[still hearth]

The attack patterns are perfect

The cleave and damage feels great

The special can combo into another special

[leaden thunder]

do we light or heavy spam for hoard clear on it

(minus using the special)

[spice veldt]

i'll shit in the pants of anyone who light spams with force swords

[still hearth]

Light spam is hot

Always light spam

[spice veldt]

(i'd probably light spam if there were only 2-4 enemies cuz of cleave)

[leaden thunder]

I was just looking at the values for it

and the light's have like

[cyan notch]

deimos light spam isnt horrible either

[leaden thunder]

not that much cleave

[spice veldt]

yeah

[leaden thunder]

but idk if the calc is updated or something

[summer prairie]

they are bad without additional power

[spice veldt]

there are some bugs with the calc, but the cleave values seem correct

only 2 poxwalkers hit with the lights

[summer prairie]

but fine with slaughterer

[still hearth]

Optimal horde clear is probably heavy > heavy > repeat

[leaden thunder]

seems weird that the deimos and illis have the same cleave values

[spice veldt]

or qq cancel the 1st heavy

the 1st heavy is sooo good

[leaden thunder]

at least hit mass cleave

[cyan notch]

why is it weird

[stable hare]

Psyker is so much fun

[leaden thunder]

one is ment to be the cleave force sword and the other single target

[fierce sinew]

the cleave values mean close to nothing without the context of the hitbox they're attached to

[still hearth]

Knife has 5 cleave on push attack

[leaden thunder]

I know it's stilll wierd on paper to me

[spice veldt]

it's weird, but I guess they're balancing it with the hit anim I guess

[still hearth]

Which never hits more than like

Two enemies

If you're lucky

[fierce sinew]

the same cleave number attached to a big horizontal cut is going to work completely differently from a linear thrust

[still hearth]

I think technically if you swipe your camera around you can get the same amount of hits in

[near wyvern]

Depends on the situation.

If I am alone I spam lights and dodges, if you do heavies you can get easily hit. Light still one tap heads for reliable toughness regeneration and fast swings interrupt enemies from attacking you.

If I have a melee friend I do heavy light repeat or special heavy spam.

[still hearth]

Because the hurt box lingers

[leaden thunder]

[leaden thunder]

oh yeah I have been swinging my camera around with the special into heavy

[olive ember]

Aura or CL btw

[still hearth]

I think doing repeating heavies is the ideal way to clear, even if H2 is a diagonal

[summer prairie]

Combat blade still seems quite competitive single target damage vs deimos

[still hearth]

Lacerations feels super trash to me

[olive ember]

since WU helps BB hit new breakpoints is it worth bringing CL or just Aura

[still hearth]

Unless I'm literally soloing

[summer prairie]

with a good roll and blessings

[still hearth]

Because I never get to double BB

Its nice on bosses but I also play with insane Thunder Hammer Zealots

[near wyvern]

It's more constant like damage vs burst thing.

[still hearth]

I think if you run Barrage you can use CL

Otherwise I'd run Aura for AB, or Communion.

[leaden thunder]

I have been loving quickening tbh

[still hearth]

I tried Communion with Quicken and it feels nice but I'm so used to BBing now

So

Yeah Quicken feels nice to use

I don't think its great

But its not garbage

[leaden thunder]

it's an option now

[olive ember]

its not a memetier option

so eah

[still hearth]

With Quietitude you can get pretty tanky while blasting BBs

[leaden thunder]

which more then can be said of a lot of talents for other classes

[olive ember]

I wish it was more

idk

[still hearth]

If you run Kinetic Shield

[olive ember]

like some suggested increased firerate/reload speed or wte

gun psyker kek

[still hearth]

And Quicken + Quietitude

You can tank a lot of damage

[leaden thunder]

das what I been doing

[still hearth]

Spamming BB and shouting

But it sucks not having Deflection

[olive ember]

if you run quietitude you can tank alot of damage

in general

[spice veldt]

toughness regen with quietude is so goooood

[still hearth]

Quiet kinda nutty right now

[spice veldt]

seeing my toughness pop from 0% to 50% in a few seconds

[still hearth]

Especially with Illsi

[olive ember]

yeah alright surge feels kinda meh

[still hearth]

Letting you just stack up to full

In like 2s

[olive ember]

but when theres suddenly 3 bulwarks and 4 crushers surrounding you with horde

surge helps alot

[still hearth]

I actually brought Surge with the Quicken build

Since I bring Illsi

[leaden thunder]

been running it with my void

[still hearth]

And I felt like double horde clear was kinda

Too much

[leaden thunder]

since that is my only not shit staff

[olive ember]

you disgust me

fucking memestrike

[still hearth]

Voidstrike is now a meme

Smh

[spice veldt]

i whip out the illisi with trauma

[olive ember]

Maybe I should go use the slab shielid on ogryn

[cyan notch]

i think trauma is better than surge for a backup stick

[still hearth]

Trauma would be nice but that steps into my BB use

[leaden thunder]

could a surge carry this

[spice veldt]

i don't like hordeclearing with trauma cuz it throws enemies around, and I'd rather have them come into the meatgrinder that is the illisi

[olive ember]

it probably is

[still hearth]

I found using the XII worked pretty well, like it did before

[olive ember]

its more for the bulwarks and the crushers

but yeah

[still hearth]

BB up to 100%, swap to XII and take out specials

But with the damage boost being bound to peril it feels a bit weird

[tired estuary]

I use trauma as cc stick, illisi for horde clear

[still hearth]

I used Voidstrike for CCing stuff a lot too

[olive ember]

I made the mistake of taking the fire shotgun into a damnation as as grey

it didn't help that the other vet took a bolter and couldn't snipe for shit with it

[leaden thunder]

shotguns need blessings to be very good imo

[olive ember]

It was probably the worst experience I've had on my vet

[cyan notch]

now that bb can 1 shot stuff i dont really use gun to kill specials

[still hearth]

Fire shotgun kinda nutty even still

Getting like 12 stacks of burn from two shots, if not more

[leaden thunder]

do you know if a crit on it applies double stacks?

[olive ember]

Thats cool n all but when I need to kill shooters holy shit

[still hearth]

But yeah the blessings break the weapon

[olive ember]

couldn't keep up counterfire either

it was

a bad experience XD

[still hearth]

You don't bring the shotgun for shooters I guess

It's just not enough ammo to take them out one by one

[olive ember]

the pug experience so yeah

I don't think its for me

[leaden thunder]

I did

[olive ember]

There was a sniper who spawned in like a whole

I had it pinged

[leaden thunder]

just ran at them with counterfire + unwavering

[olive ember]

and the fucking other vet was just constantly whining about how he couldn't hit it and how it was bullshit and ridiculous

[leaden thunder]

showed them not to mess with johnny-las

[olive ember]

and I'm just like "dude I'm getting hit markers with my shotgun, how tf are you missing with the explosive bolter"

but yeah

not a fun experience

[silent trout]

any advice? This is when trying to toggle mods. Also pointers on where to find the actual logs?

[olive ember]

no ammo at all either idk

prob didn't help we didn't have a single ammo efficient gun between us

[spice veldt]

did you install the Mod Loader files in the 'WARHAMMER 40K DARKTIDE' folder or the 'mods' folder?

[silent trout]

in mods

[spice veldt]

should be installed in the main warhammer folder

[silent trout]

ill give it a bash, thanks

[stable hare]

How is it possible that ive done every psyker penance except cliffhanger? I just cant do it rofl

[still hearth]

I literally got cliffhanger

Without a cliff

[stable hare]

how

[still hearth]

I don't even understand how it happened

No clue

I shouted at a horde

They died

And I got it

[wet belfry]

Use the force sword pushes

[still hearth]

[stable hare]

I've been trying like an idiot to do it

to all possible ledges

and the shout seems so weak even at 6 stacks

[summer prairie]

I got cliffhanger right after the release when the requirement was still 20 by shouting while a horde was climbing up near the end of the train assassination mission

there wasn't a cliff and they weren't even within the player area

[silent trout]

use the bridge to the side near the start of chasm logistratum (i think)

or its the assassination version of that map

[stable hare]

I would if i could go in solo

but playing normaly it sucks

[silent trout]

I kept at it until i found a friendly ogryn to block the bridge for me 😄

[stable hare]

I dont understand why i cant host a private game alone

[wet belfry]

Hmm. Considering all the possible possibilities i have arrived at a conclusion. Fatshark.

[olive ember]

Have you attempted the logistratum technique?

[idle bay]

Store extension is perma-dead now?

[stable hare]

Sure im trying to do it

either not getting hordes

or moving away

[spice veldt]

raindish is still working on it

[olive ember]

I mean how I did cliffhanger was

you just get some friends who block for you

and then press F

technically doable solo but bots suck

[stable hare]

Yeah its just weird how i cant simply get it to work

[near wyvern]

Not all ledges count since some have killboxes way too low. A really good one is the mission where you empty the trains in the end and then go to the Valkyrie. Wait for the horde to get to the small beige before the Valk, make sure you have 4+ warp charges, shout and it's done.

[stable hare]

Tried that twice just now

and failed

[still hearth]

I think it counts if you set the enemies on fire

And they die while falling to the fire

That might be why I got mine in a seemingly random place

[stable hare]

😮

[kind jay]

i forget the name but i did it on the map with the hacking game at the end (the one where you defend the small room with 2 little side bridges)

those little bridges fill up fast

[spice veldt]

vigil station oblivium

[stable hare]

That could be an option aswell yea

[fresh reef]

gawd dayum lights out + hunting grounds is a nightmare

[still hearth]

I absolutely love it

[clear hamlet]

I don't know the name of the map but I just pushed enemies behind a spawn door and it counted

[still hearth]

I wish the dogs spawned more spread out

And not from the same place

Because it just becomes find a corner and blast the opening they come through.

[spice veldt]

sitting by the wall and spamming light attacks

staring at the zealot at the other side of the doorway romantically

[shy prairie]

haven't done monstronum, pick and mix and gone with a bang

[still hearth]

If you have two people sit on an elevated surface the dogs go crazy

[silent geode]

Psyker be like: [does twice the work for half the damage]

[sullen bobcat]

Why are people saying that shredder autopistol is now meta?

[leaden thunder]

what people

[sullen bobcat]

Randomly on reddit, and I see a lot more people run it now

Including psykers

[leaden thunder]

they buffed it and one of it's blessings

so when it has pinning fire and blaze away it becomes a monster

without those 2 blessings it's pretty mediocre

it's not "the meta"

but it's a meta option

[sullen bobcat]

I don't think there's really a hard meta imo

You can take just about anything and be effective

[leaden thunder]

by meta option I mean it's really good

[wide tiger]

except surge staff

🙂

[leaden thunder]

psyker has some other stuff they can do with it

by taking ascendant blaze

the power boosts the blessings give your pistol will apply to the burn dot if you have the pistol out

[wide tiger]

Psyker is riding pretty high right now

Play whatever, enjoy it

[leaden thunder]

pretty much

[grand bolt]

For now. I expect the nerf bat soon

[wide tiger]

Nah

[sullen bobcat]

Eh. I think they're roughly performing on par with the vet

[leaden thunder]

not even close

[wide tiger]

^

[grand bolt]

I think quell time is toooo fast. Woth quietude its absurd

[leaden thunder]

vet is bonkers op

[wide tiger]

Not even close

[sullen bobcat]

Vet really shouldn't give ammo imo

That's the most powerful part of Vet

Economy

[leaden thunder]

not really

[stable hare]

d you guys use wildfire with purg?

[leaden thunder]

having 75% damage reduction for minutes at a time

is what is op

[sullen bobcat]

There's other ways to kill shooters you can adapt to, but you don't have a way to just get more ammo on demand like with their passive aura

[old quiver]

What is this from?

[wide tiger]

Veterans still deleting elites and powerswording trash

[leaden thunder]

counterfire + unwavering focus

my record is like

2 minutes holding my ult up

[sullen bobcat]

More ammo = more ranged = safer gameplay

It's just that nothing else gives tons of free ammo

That scales with difficulty

[wide tiger]

The level does.

[sullen bobcat]

That scales negatively with difficulty

More specials = less ammo without a vet since you're going to spend ammo on them

[leaden thunder]

no

doesn't work well with it

[wide tiger]

Having extra ammo is a nice perk but it only is really noticable on some of the more ammo starved guns

[stable hare]

No ammo for vet is pretty much GG anyway. That inherent feat must exist

[wide tiger]

Dont be a recon lasgunner

[sullen bobcat]

Which are also usually higher impact

[stable hare]

also, if theres a vet in the team and vet doesnt have restock, gg everyone else aswell

[wide tiger]

Some of the best guns have great ammo economy right now

[leaden thunder]

oh yeah and the 75% damage resist comes with a 50% damage boost

[wide tiger]

XII, headhunters, even the autopistol is like 900 ammo on the vet, pretty hard to go through 900 ammo on the autopistol unless you're like

[sullen bobcat]

I personally think the aura and passive should be swapped around. Weakspot aura, and ammo for only the vet when someone kills a special in aura

[stable hare]

People really look for anything at all to destroy vet. Restock aint it

[leaden thunder]

yeah the restock is fine

[vagrant cedar]

is the red items and stats go to 100% update out yet?

[leaden thunder]

no

[vagrant cedar]

ffs

okkk ty

[wide tiger]

I've run hi5's just using the powersword

[spice veldt]

veteran has the toughness to tank ranged enemies

back when I played vet, I just ran around in melee

[olive ember]

I wouldn't expect it to be out for a while

it would invalidate their entire endgame cycle

[wide tiger]

power sword delivers you can literally do an only melee play and pump out big dick dps

[spice veldt]

i used unwavering focus solely to move into ranged enemies

[vagrant cedar]

well it has to

otherwise the 80% cap just looks dumb af

it looks dumb af rn

[olive ember]

It does but i'm just sayin

[vagrant cedar]

but if that's the end for it, even more dumb

[sullen bobcat]

Vet definitely has a lot of powerful things, but considering things that aren't just numbers, restock changes the entire gameplay dynamic of the entire team

[stable hare]

Thats intended

[leaden thunder]

I mean sure it's good, but like

[stable hare]

Btw is slaughterer good for the ilisis?

[leaden thunder]

not even close to the power of being able to face tank massive amounts of shooters and ranged elites

[sullen bobcat]

Is it good that you MUST have a vet for ammo economy?

[leaden thunder]

and kill them all

[leaden thunder]

very

[olive ember]

I love terminator vet

until they run out of ammo

or they have to deal with the fucking sniper 3 miles away

[stable hare]

Not having a vet removes one person that needs lots of ammo usually

[sullen bobcat]

Anyone can just range spam

[spice veldt]

you can certainly go through most of the map melee only

[olive ember]

I mean you say that until you get an autopistol zealot

[stable hare]

Just got this, any tips ?

[spice veldt]

it just means that the team has to be a bit more conservative with ammo

[wide tiger]

very nice

[olive ember]

less ammo and more so just ability to kill shit like shooters with impunity

[wide tiger]

replace exorcist to unstable power and cry you didnt roll better perks

[sullen bobcat]

Which is a massive gameplay change and is inherently more dangerous

[spice veldt]

it's only dangerous if you literally don't know how to melee

[stable hare]

at least 4 crit is usable, what should be the other?

[leaden thunder]

it's a difference between I can braindead spam with my flamer on zealot

and I have to think for like

[olive ember]

I mean my dream team would be a mk 12 vet + a flamer zealot + a bull butcher cleaver ogryn + some form of psyker

so yeah

[leaden thunder]

is it worth using 5 ammo on this pack

[spice veldt]

like just whip out your melee for enemies close to you instead of gunning them down

[leaden thunder]

normally the answer is

it doesn't matter

[spice veldt]

there are sections where you can close the gap on shooters with a slide

[olive ember]

Vet's toughness DR lets them just shoot with impunity tho tbh

its kinda funny

[spice veldt]

unless there are scab shooters (green eyes), you can also just be extremely reckless against ranged enemies because they don't do all that much hp damage

I can tank stalkers with the dmg reduction mechanic and just go ham in melee

[sullen bobcat]

I just walk up to shooters with deflection

[leaden thunder]

but are you killing them while doing that

[sullen bobcat]

And then do my normal psyker stuff

[leaden thunder]

cuase the vet is killing them

and you are blocking and walking slowly

[sullen bobcat]

I mean I burst kill them once I'm close

[spice veldt]

there was a deflector psyker who was walking forward in front of me, which I did find useful

[sullen bobcat]

I'm usually on trauma, and they clump together all the time for some reason

[spice veldt]

at least he wasn't an ogryn who I can't see past

even when they aren't clumped together, the outer area will interrupt shooters (when sufficiently charged) which i quite like

[sullen bobcat]

And zealot can also just slide spam up to shooters

Because 0x damage modifier since that's how they wanted to balance the game

[leaden thunder]

*everyone

can slide spam to shooters

[spice veldt]

you're untargetable by ranged enemies while sliding anyways

[leaden thunder]

it's the point that vet doesn't have to do that

and isn't sacrifcing anything while doing it

on psyker you need a blessing and a talent to do it and only with your melee out and moving slowly

[sonic coral]

bit of a shame about the finesse but eh

[leaden thunder]

on ogryn you use a shitty weapon that does no fucken damage

[stable hare]

is flak or maniac more important if you had to choose 1?

[silent geode]

also when you're sprinting (with stamina) bullets miss

[leaden thunder]

sort of

[spice veldt]

perpendicularly at least

[leaden thunder]

^

you can't run face first

[silent geode]

wait so are you just

leaving their volume of fire

i thought they automissed wtf

[spice veldt]

nah, you're straight up untargetable i believe

[sonic coral]

all things being equal probably flak, esp. for ranged. I like maniac on melee for mixed hordes

[spice veldt]

it depends on the angle you're running relative to the enemy

[leaden thunder]

it's probably variable based on lag or such

[sonic coral]

that way you don't get too caught up with a couple of ragers who mess you up

[silent geode]

I'll check the source code sometime I guess

[leaden thunder]

I wouldn't super rely on it but it's a good thing to remember

[sullen bobcat]

I honestly think the slide spam thing is silly. I can write a macro to force myself to constantly slide spam while walking forwards, and now I'm invincible to ranged fire

[spice veldt]

yeah lag tends to mess with how you perceive the game

[sonic coral]

plus, the ability to chunk mutants quickly is great

[silent geode]

sliding does degrade if you overdo it

but you're still invincible so what's the point lmao

[leaden thunder]

you can also be hit at the start of the slide and staggered out of doing it

or that might be a skill issue on me

[spice veldt]

yeah, it seems to take a moment to actually initiate a slide

you'll notice it when you try to slide while sticky special-ing an enemy

if you slide too late, your slide won't start and you'll be locked in place

[feral verge]

hmm

upgrading sublevel 360 greys doesnt seem worth it

i was upgrading level 350s i had saved

(force swords)

and almost all of them rolled Is and IIs

im trying to get unstable power 4

i had been selling any greys below 350

but ig i'll be selling shit that's under 360 now

[spice veldt]

skill issue

[past parrot]

Is there actually a blessing tier weighting tied to weapon score..?

[spice veldt]

yeah if I look at the force swords I consecrated, the ones with t4 blessings usually have 360+

[past parrot]

Hmm it does fit FatSharks MO to do something like that and not tell anyone

[olive ember]

Is it tied to weapon score?

someone said it wasn't

or that it was inconclusive

[clear heath]

I don't think anyone knows

[clear hamlet]

I'm only upgrading 350+ and I've been getting a crap ton of tier II's

[near wyvern]

It seems to be so that weapons with greater base stat total often get better blessings and perks.

[clear heath]

It's not something we can datamine either since it's serversided

[spice veldt]

it seems like the most intuitive option to me

[past parrot]

Luckily I’m picky and only upgrade near perfect stat rolls 😎

[cyan notch]

yea ive gotten a bunch of t2s from 360 stuff too

[past parrot]

and haven’t gotten around to blessing farming by upgrading random trash weapons

[feral verge]

It really is

[spice veldt]

if you had a 100% winrate in hi-intensity lights out feet only with one eye closed and earplugs on Damnation, you would've had enough mats and money to roll what you wanted

[summer prairie]

not running ordos since release is a skill issue

[feral verge]

I have more mats than most

Cuz I haven't lost a single game of damnation

[sonic coral]

I have lost plenty of games but 0% of them were my fault

fact check: verified

[spice veldt]

verified by three independent fact checking agencies

[wide tiger]

latest batch

[cyan notch]

mid

[wide tiger]

bad

all

free ducats

well

actually

really expensive ducats

had high hopes for this

[kind jay]

the more you want it, the less chance youll get it

the way of the universe

[feral verge]

True

[mortal crest]

What's the general opinion on people who think avoiding DH makes you a noob?

That shit makes my blood boil, is that just me?

[summer prairie]

never heard anyone say that

[mortal crest]

I've had 3 games so far with people who decide that's the case.

Despite the lack of reward for doing so.

[olive ember]

I mean

I have slaughterer IV

[robust relic]

oddly I think the finesse being low is the problem with this...base damage at 70% is 64, 80% 66 so it's not that bad, but finesse is a bit more sensitive a stat

[olive ember]

but its on my 378 OFS

so

yeah

[past parrot]

It's actually called Desire Sensor™. It was originally developed by Capcom for the Monster Hunter franchise, but was licensed to FatShark to use in Dark Tide. The key to beating it is to loudly proclaim "God rolled Force Swords, who needs 'em? Not me!" This will briefly trick the sensor into triggering a false read allowing you to make your upgrades without negative RNG weights applied.

[olive ember]

holy shit I hate you so much for reminding me of Monster hunter lmao

fucking

qurious crafting

PTSD

[spice veldt]

for the special, low finesse isn't too bad since the weakspot multiplier doesn't seem to multiply the base bodyshot damage directly

at 80% finesse with 2.3x weakspot, it seems to really only multiply the base bodyshot dmg of the special by like 1.5x ish

[olive ember]

Eh i don't think FS use crit alot tbh

[spice veldt]

it does matter for the normals at the very least

[summer prairie]

Wrack and ruin value https://streamable.com/caogim

[robust relic]

interesting, well when I once again have plasteel I will pray for a good roll

[robust relic]

I like the part where you watch the numbers go up while stroking your sword

[frail summit]

seems terrible?

[summer prairie]

That's what I do on a real run too

[olive ember]

only took 1/20th of the time it takes to finish a run

[limber silo]

Do you get the Pick and Mix when you succeed, or at the end of the mission?

[wide tiger]

Seems more like wildfire value lol

[summer prairie]

details

[wide tiger]

hard to not run warp unleashed now

but that looks fun too

rubbing your sword while all your white spreads over the enemy

[olive ember]

...

[wide tiger]

edgin the whole time

trying not to explode

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-unsee-how-to-unsee-blind-homer-simpson-simpsons-gif-17613101

[wide tiger]

There i fixed it for you

[spice veldt]

should be when you succeed

[limber silo]

Fuck

[spice veldt]

it's been a long time since I got mines though

[olive ember]

yeah big rip

[limber silo]

Shock gauntlet is helpful, but for some reason I can't get the fucker

[olive ember]

Its easier with shit teammates or premade ngl

[spice veldt]

i got mines right after they released Commsplex

[limber silo]

True

[olive ember]

I think they tuned down the passive spawns

I remember those fucking shooter spawns with like

6 gunners 3 reapers

20 shooters

[limber silo]

Is it 5 unique elites/specials or 5 total?

[olive ember]

5 total

it can be 5 gunners

[limber silo]

Aight

Thank goodness

[olive ember]

yeah

[gaunt lotus]

How do ppl feel about the new force swords?

[leaden thunder]

good

very fun

very effective

[mortal crest]

God tier.

They're dope.

[spice veldt]

I LOVE THEM

well not "them"

I like the Illisi

[mortal crest]

Just the Illisi lol

[spice veldt]

Deimos is nice but it's not for my playstyle

[mortal crest]

Agreed

[worn cypress]

deimos is really good too

illisi is my true love tho

[mortal crest]

What blessings should I be going for on a Trauma staff? Warp Flurry probably, and something else?

[trim hearth]

I am having fun with Deimos, it's neat

[spice veldt]

for the other blessing, you could go with rending shockwave or focused channeling

[mortal crest]

Roger.

[spice veldt]

rending shockwave for flamer comps or if you trust your teammates or if you communicate with your team

focused channeling allows you to be insanely aggressive against shooters since they won't interrupt your casts

[mortal crest]

I forgot if blessings on one type of staff transfer to the others.

[spice veldt]

unfortunately not

[mortal crest]

Damn, that's a shame.

[spice veldt]

not even between the equinox staffs (Trauma & Voidstrike)

[mortal crest]

Pffff

[gaunt lotus]

I feel like you really don't need the original force sword any more which is nice. Clear upgrades for psyker besides just the first force sword you get >_<

[spice veldt]

here's an example of focused channeling in its glorious action https://streamable.com/b14gy5

[leaden thunder]

that tends to happen with do it all weapons

[spice veldt]

i would probably prefer the obscurus for the more horizontal 2nd heavy

[leaden thunder]

as the old force sword is like a middle ground

[mortal crest]

Poke versus slash versus wish.com power sword.

[leaden thunder]

but it's moveset is mixed in a way that it can be clunky

number wise I am pretty sure it's fine

[mortal crest]

I haven't tried for a godroll, but it does at least look neat.

Lol

[leaden thunder]

it's always felt like ass to me

tbh

even after knowing the horde clear combo

[olive ember]

gotta so I have to run into the shooters while charging my trauma staff

[worn cypress]

old force sword doesnt cpntrol enough neither does single target enough

its a bit at an awkward spot where its not really good at anything

[spice veldt]

gotta get close to them and I hate BBing

[olive ember]

idk what you mean by it doesn't do single target enough

idk how much more single target you need on a weapon deimos is overrated kek

[spice veldt]

old force sword was pretty decent at horde clear

[worn cypress]

only with charged

[spice veldt]

with slaughterer

[clear heath]

yeah it was fine
and it got buffed

[olive ember]

Charged all you rly need

[worn cypress]

I'm a filthy DS mkV player, I like my single target heavies

[spice veldt]

i like the 6 cleave heavies of the obscurus

virgin 2 cleave MKV DS heavies vs chad 6 cleave OFS heavies

[worn cypress]

lol yeah those are pretty nice

[gaunt lotus]

Deimos + Surge + BB = anything but trash stunlocked and popped. I was running purgatus before but it's only really good if there's stupid amounts of density and then psyker is the only class that can easily deal with crushers while the others tend to struggle to take them down quickly so I feel like horde clear is low priority

[limber silo]

Not a deimos fan, but I will say it is extremely nice to 2 shot every special/elite with a light heavy

I have t4 maniac on it

Obliterates muties w/o charging

[spice veldt]

might as well have hordeclear because you never know what team comp you're going to get

[cyan notch]

obscurus does like no boss damage

[spice veldt]

could have 3 knife teammates with no flamethrower

[olive ember]

Just run OFS you can pop crushers with special

[spice veldt]

das true; it has the most doodoo unyielding damage on this earth

[gaunt lotus]

Wym? Obsurus charged heavy is stupid damage

[spice veldt]

and it still outdamages BB

charged heavy is slow

the main advantage of OFS' special is that it staggers the enemy and deals 200% against flak

[gaunt lotus]

meant to @cyan notch

[olive ember]

Boss shield pops knock you away anyways

so easy charge then hit

[limber silo]

Have you even used a heavy on a captain before?

[spice veldt]

otherwise, the normal attacks are competitive with the special

[cyan notch]

not assasination bosses those are a cake walk

i meant plogyn bon dh

[olive ember]

the two instances where a DFS shines I suppose

[limber silo]

Maybe because you aren't nearly as tall as either of those

Hard to hit their heads

[spice veldt]

interestingly, the illisi also shines against monstrosities because of the special doing extra damage against unyielding

[gaunt lotus]

yeah big boi and the slug it's BB time

ooh really?

[olive ember]

yep

[limber silo]

Purge actually does respectable damage to bosses in my experience

[spice veldt]

it seems to do 175% extra damage to unyielding compared to everything else

just by number crunching

[clear heath]

illisi is kinda too strong at things the other swords are meant to focus on

[spice veldt]

it does a little less to carapace but still very respectable

[gaunt lotus]

unyielding takes v little damage from the dots

[spice veldt]

if they nerf the stagger of the special, that might bring it in line

[olive ember]

The special on the illisi is basically designed the counter ogryns tbh in teh sense that it ignores hitmass meaning you can slice through crushers and even bulwarks (you don't deal dmg to them but it means you can deal with a horde even if theres a bulwark tanking)

[spice veldt]

because the illisi can still fuck up ragers/maulers by just stunlocking them with repeated specials

[limber silo]

Then why does flamer chew plagryns like breakfast?

[olive ember]

flamer or purge staff? cuz flamer has more damage

and better range

[spice veldt]

and faster ticks

[gaunt lotus]

Purge

[limber silo]

Faster ticks, didn't know that

[olive ember]

and it can fire for longer so its easier to get max stacks

[gaunt lotus]

At least from what I remember from the grinder it's pretty pathetic

[limber silo]

But can't soul stack higher than burn?

[spice veldt]

iirc, burn ticks over 0.5s intervals and soulblaze 0.75s

[limber silo]

Soul blaze does significantly less to carapace, not unyielding

[gaunt lotus]

ah ty it was reapers I was thinking of

[limber silo]

Reapers still take good damage, Crushers don't

[gaunt lotus]

oh lmao ignore me

crushers are BB bait anyways so that's fine

[limber silo]

True

[olive ember]

everything does less damage to carapace including burn and bleed feelsbad

cuz carapace is stupid

[gaunt lotus]

I understand that it's the psykers weakspot with most of their kit, but dealing with hordes of gunners is mega frustrating at mid-long range

[olive ember]

bring a gun

[gaunt lotus]

bleed is traditionally supposed to ignore armor in games too, like I get that it doesn't have to be that way but damn

[olive ember]

problem solved

[spice veldt]

i like the trauma staff for shooter patrols

[gaunt lotus]

yeah but i wanna be a space wizard

[olive ember]

I mean not even that, I could understand you know using a knife to cut a crusher won't make him bleed

[cyan notch]

u can ult them and they will burn to death

[olive ember]

but why tf does burn not cook em

[limber silo]

Ah yes, because I am wearing a car as armor, my organs bleed less

[olive ember]

you would think both forms of fire would cook a guy wearing a fucking huge metal suit

[clear heath]

the armor has air conditioning or something idk

[gaunt lotus]

I was a sienna main in V2 so i'm spoiled tho

[limber silo]

Because it's a car as I said

But for my next attempt at p&m, gunker time

[olive ember]

in all seriousness if you want to take out shooters prob best build for that really is just an autopistol psyker with ascendant blaze

[limber silo]

hopefully that works out since I was gaining too much peril and blowing up mid attempt

[olive ember]

Illisi + autopistol is genuinely rly good but it means you are relying on BB to deal with crushers and bulwarks

hey maybe a deimos is whats needed kekw

[spice veldt]

p&m has to be done with BB

[olive ember]

oh btw autopistol you need pinning fire

[gaunt lotus]

I just wish more staffs (staves?) had a longer range primary

[olive ember]

Tried it on my zealot without pinning fire

its genuienly shit without pinning fire

like full mag to kill a gunner dogshit

[gaunt lotus]

does surge lock on still suck ass across different heights/fences?

what does pinning fire do?

[limber silo]

I'm aware

[olive ember]

more damage = more stagger

wait

more stagger = more damage

[clear heath]

bb on crushers and bulwarks is really good anyways

i love 2 shotting them with bb

[limber silo]

I have a illisi w/ slaughterer and superiority so I get tha big boy power

[gaunt lotus]

yeah it does so much damage relative to what anyone else besides a plasma rifle vet can put out vs carapace

[olive ember]

With a t4 its basically doubles the damage of auto pistol

eh plasma vets aren't even that good

bolter performs better

and both vet and zealots can delete crushers

[clear heath]

bolter vet is definitely killing them faster than BB

but we don't need ammo

[olive ember]

even bolter zealot tbh

press F, armor strip, magdump and thats like 2 - 3 crushers gone

[gaunt lotus]

it's not good but it's soooo fun

[clear heath]

the nice part is that it's only our grenade slot

we still have a ranged slot for staves/guns to deal with whatever else

[gaunt lotus]

I was sad because it's really not any higher DPS and plasma feels clunky to use. Really needs more pierce or stronger AOE or something

[wide tiger]

Its happening. I got a legendary emp gift force sword

its happening.

[clear heath]

it will be dogshit

[gaunt lotus]

yo gratz

[olive ember]

I mean the one thing plasma has is that it can wall bang

[gaunt lotus]

now are the blessings trash

[cyan notch]

yea i was spoilt for choice i coulda fs the crusher or bb it or trauma it

[olive ember]

precog + superiority kek

[wide tiger]

It doesnt matter i actually got a FS emps gift

[clear heath]

can't wait to see precog on your sword

[wide tiger]

i dont care if its bad

[robust relic]

my 379 green rolled +1 stamina so...Im....happy....yeah thats the word, happy

[olive ember]

I mean

I kinda get sad whenever I see a yellow

[spice veldt]

i want to laugh at you if the gift is bad

[olive ember]

because What I end up rolling is like

a fucking 400 yellow

[wide tiger]

It's terrible

[spice veldt]

show us the money

[wide tiger]

BUT

[olive ember]

and I know the stats are gonna be complete shit

[spice veldt]

the horrowasfagsgkn

[wide tiger]

Its a gift from the emp

and its a force sword

so its win

[clear heath]

damn that's pretty useless

[gaunt lotus]

is decimator good? it looks good

[olive ember]

pog look at that 54% damage roll

[clear heath]

nice free money

[cyan notch]

how is it a win

[clear heath]

time to sell

[olive ember]

on antax? its pretty much 2nd best choice

[cyan notch]

thats a loss

[wide tiger]

I'm gonna sell it, but the point is with 3 fs variants, the odds have drastically improved to get them as gifts, in the shops, etc

its a win

[gaunt lotus]

goin for the long haul huh?

[wide tiger]

You have no idea how many fucking force swords ive crafted

[olive ember]

@gaunt lotus I'm assuming you are using something like antax. Basically the two "meta" blessing combos are brutal momentum + headtaker or brutal momentum + decimator (not decapitator)

[wide tiger]

Some people in the channel might cause i bitch about it erry day

[old delta]

Guys, about the Force Sword being able to block Ranged attacks, even WITHOUT the Deflector Blessing, I haven't read about it yet, is it a bug? Or it's intended to be like that now? Bcs I just got the Blessing Delector Lv4, and I don't know if I should take it or not, since the sword already does it naturally

[olive ember]

head taker is more consistent since it procs on hit and is rly easy to upkeep for up to 25% more power

decimator is less consistent since it resets

[cyan notch]

bug

[clear heath]

it's probably a bug

[olive ember]

but it goes up to 50% power

[spice veldt]

babe wake up; skaleek posted another shitty force sword

[clear heath]

got acknowledged on the forums too

[wide tiger]

time to melt

[gilded viper]

oh that mean it going to be fix soon

no lie i got so used to the bug

[old delta]

😦

Me too hahaha

[wide tiger]

Is that for all FS or just the 2 new ones?

[olive ember]

.> I want deflector

[robust relic]

how do you get that many high base rolls...how much money do you have haha

[gilded viper]

all

[clear heath]

well plenty of things get acknowledged without getting fixed or without even being actual bugs

[wide tiger]

I'd give it to you if i could

[clear heath]

but I think it's gonna get fixed soon anyways

[gilded viper]

still yet to fix the zealot ult thing with range weapons

[spice veldt]

only the 2 new ones; the obscurus doesn't have the built in deflector

[gilded viper]

oh thought all the sword had it

[olive ember]

tbf zealots were dooming pbad already, remove their armor strip and dead class kek

[spice veldt]

according to syllogism, it was because they used an old file from last august

[wide tiger]

I think it'd be cool if one did have it passively, and had a "Defences" statline instead of something else maybe

[spice veldt]

you'll notice that the new force swords also have that old ass bug where swapping to them makes you move faster for a moment

[olive ember]

Idr being able to block bullets with the OFS back in the CBT tho

[gilded viper]

zealot stay losing i guess 😦

[clear heath]

I hope they decide to keep it and make it part of the force sword, and buff deflector to do something else

[wide tiger]

I did notice that

[old delta]

Fast as fuck booooy

[wide tiger]

I can also anim cancel the special far faster than the obscurus

[gilded viper]

doubt it tbh, unless they rework deflector or just give it high block effient which is also kinda

[cyan notch]

they better give people a free unlock/reroll of deflector if they change that shit

[wide tiger]

i give that a 0.00001% chance

[clear heath]

they won't lol

[lime peak]

Maybe Reflector instead of Deflector? Have it rebound shots to the enemy.

[glossy hazel]

I sincerely hope none of you are using recon las on Psyker. Just failed a mission because we had a dead weight using that.
"B-b-but I can trigger brainburst every 15 or so seconds! It's really good!"

[gilded viper]

i already have all 3 tiers of deflector so im not going to worry if they fix it, might got to slot it in or just live without it

[clear heath]

I've used recon psyker before

[wide tiger]

tell them to use a shredder autopistol if they wanna be full auto psyker

[spice veldt]

no one that is present is going to defend the recon lasgun

[clear heath]

it's a pretty bad gun

[olive ember]

My cope is that they will make it so blocking bullets is on by default and deflector gives you the ability to block ranged attacks while reviving

😄

[gilded viper]

don't say that

i like recon 😦

[wide tiger]

its bad on vet, its bad on psyker, one of the devs mentioned buffing them but nothing happened

[spice veldt]

fake actor

[wide tiger]

He said no one that's present 😛

[olive ember]

I stopped playing vet because recon was bad

[wide tiger]

you're clearly out to lunch

[spice veldt]

i like the recon's weapon feel, but the stats on it could certainly be bumped up

[robust relic]

I've done it in the past when I had kill 1000 whatever with ranged, alt fire staff didnt count as ranged (not sure if it does now)

[past parrot]

Hey Recon Las is decent! on Malice

[clear heath]

it does like no damage and literally 0 stagger

[wide tiger]

and it has a stagger stat doesnt it

collateral

[glossy hazel]

Laser pointer

[wide tiger]

so good

[cyan notch]

next time when ur about to fail a mission just dont

thats what i do

[gilded viper]

it good for supression but that not saying much

[glossy hazel]

The only use of Recon Las is pointing out where enemies are to your teammates.

[gilded viper]

ik the weapon suck and i hate how fun it is to use

[wide tiger]

guys im painting this poxwalker plz kill it

[clear heath]

i only picked recon as revenge for my friend picking recon and dissappointing me with it
"i'll use this garbage and do better with it"

a dog jumped me and he used a recon to try to stagger it off

[wide tiger]

When a poxwalker feels like a plague ogryn- 2 people fighting for top dps with recon

[clear heath]

nice stagger value

[cyan notch]

you can probably use recon just fine since psykers have omega buffed horde melee with omega buffed bb

[clear heath]

it sounds like you're saying you can do fine because you can just avoid using the gun

which is true

[wide tiger]

You CAN use the recon to move really fast

so you could switch to it to run away

and then switch to melee when you need to do things like kill

You can outrun a dagger zealot with a t4 stripped down max mobility recon

[cyan notch]

yea its not that big a detriment since you can handle everything well with illisi and bb

[wide tiger]

so good for looting

[lime peak]

I think you mean Recon

[wide tiger]

You know what

I'll take a recon lasgun psyker over a surge staff

i said it

[clear heath]

what the

[wide tiger]

I SAID IT

[leaden thunder]

unironically