psyker-class

[twilit badger]

Wow it exists

[twilit badger]

Good to know kek

[idle bay]

Lets see what Hadron will do with that MK V 379...

[cyan notch]

i feel like ive been transported months back in time with these bb is bad takes

[idle bay]

ruined.. as expected

[twilit badger]

I spent so much materials on psyker

[runic hornet]

it's just newbs jumping on the "clas s got updated" bandwagon and then trying to BB targets in the open

then they complain that it's not as good as a bolter

[twilit badger]

None of the good shit i got

For other classes i have pretty much farmed end game items

[runic hornet]

there's tons of great uses for BB especially on higher diffs

[twilit badger]

But not on psyker

[idle bay]

ANother gamble...

Spend just 60k to get 2 above 370 swords

[spice veldt]

I dont use BB very often, but it matters in the situations where it counts (AKA bulwarks)

[runic hornet]

the ability to shuffle around

and dodge everything while not negatively affecting your accuracy at all

Like I dunno about you but I find it hard to line up shots mid-dodge with a gun

I have to time shots for right in between and even then I take damage I could've dodged

BB? weewooweewoo in and out of LOS and you have a kill

completely brainless

[glossy hazel]

I'll be sure to thank Psykers for Brainbursting that single shooter out of the 30 or so.

[runic hornet]

and do it while timing dodges against like 4 crushers

to kill the sniper spawn across the map

because you can look at the crushers while charging BB to know how to dodge them

[spice veldt]

and no one said it was good against shooters

[runic hornet]

instead of having to squint into the distance against snipers

[spice veldt]

what position are you even taking?

[runic hornet]

and then you get overheaded in the back of the head

[still hearth]

BB bad.

[runic hornet]

"bb bad because it's not a gun"

[still hearth]

That's all there is to it right

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/50cent-smile-driving-oh-well-im-out-gif-5135974

[spice veldt]

like no one has said it was the best universal solution

[runic hornet]

put it this way

if I could have BB on my vet instead of frags

[spice veldt]

can you clarify your position and link to the message that you are responding?

[runic hornet]

I would honestly take it and not feel too bad about it

also against rifles anyway

staff orbeez are fucking insane

one orbeez will send an entire column scrambling into cover

two orbeez put them into cower state for like 3 seconds

which guess what

[spice veldt]

mfs when an aim-assist weapon doesnt perform well

[runic hornet]

is enough time to weave in a BB

you can go orbeez, orbeez (you can do this while walking and not have to aim at all), BB enemy gunner, orbeez, BB enemy gunner (you will probably have to quell at this point) but wow you've just deleted two elites out of the gunner pod and the entire pod hasn't been able to shoot back

anyone who complains that the staff LMB is "useless" is a noob

[cyan notch]

what the hell is orbeez

[still hearth]

I do agree that BB targeting needs to be improved so you can actually target elites/specials inside of hordes if you want to, though.

[runic hornet]

the blue LMB balls

[spice veldt]

mm, i think that might be too strong

[runic hornet]

their suppression rating is absurd

[spice veldt]

I like BB as it is

has clunkiness that incentivizes you to only use it when you reaaallly need to

[cyan notch]

i think its fine with jump spotting

[runic hornet]

and unlike "suppressing with other weapons", them being free and not costing ammo is an actual advantage here

[spice veldt]

I partially run trauma staff for that targeting inside hordes

[runic hornet]

you can seriously just spam them at corners and over chest high walls "just in case" and your team will suddenly take like 10% of the incoming rifle damage they would have normally

[glossy hazel]

Why even bother brainbursting gunners when 1 or 2 charged Voidstrike shots kill it and the pack of shooters it is hiding with.
If it's alone and the AoE wouldn't help then sure I guess go for it but most of the time you are more useful by using your staff.

[cyan notch]

rng if u can swap to your melee

[still hearth]

I forgot that every situation has 1 big enemy and then a horde behind it and there's no other situations.

Ops

[spice veldt]

again, no one is saying that it's better than secondaries

[runic hornet]

because voidstrikes move slow and can't reliably hit shit if it's not on-level with you (different vertical elevation level) and if the enemy is in the "run for cover state" (which it will be if they're standing in the open and you started shooting at them)

[still hearth]

Voidstrike also is only faster at killing some elites/specials if you have fully charged flurry

[runic hornet]

Voidstrikes are good bowling balls but they suck if there's any vertical difference

[spice veldt]

you realize that I'm extremely vocal about avoiding the use of BB right?

[still hearth]

But yeah if we nitpick situations where Voidstrike is better than BB

You'll make VOidstrike sound better than BB

[runic hornet]

if you try to drop voidstrikes at an angle you will kill like a rnadom rifleman if you're lucky with 3 fully charged shots

[spice veldt]

like our arguments is just that there are some situations where it is better, like catching fast enemies or killing bulwarks

[runic hornet]

before everyone has gotten to cover and is now doing the peek-and-shoot behavior

[spice veldt]

your argument is a non-response because it's not even mutually exclusive with what we're saying

and in case you don't get what we're saying, we have the same opinion about BB; just that you think that we're saying that it's a universal weapon for whatever reason

[runic hornet]

BBs synergize extremely well with all staves

If you see rifles, suppres with LMBs to help you team while weaving in BBs to kill priority targets
YOu can't wipe the whole rifle squad in an instant but sure, whatever, you can suppress them for free without even stealing the vet's ammo, unlike say an ogyrn stubber/ripper

[spice veldt]

probably better to just run in and melee lock enemies if BB is your only ranged option

[floral mulch]

KAbooom!

[runic hornet]

if you get the "rifles and reapers" spawn you can nullify all the rifles so that your vet focusing fire on the reapers doesn't get fucked by the rifles

[still hearth]

I played BB primarily, with Illsi and XII

[floral mulch]

Blood and bone everywhere!

[still hearth]

And got second most damage behind a Veteran with Power Sword

[floral mulch]

mwhahaha

[runic hornet]

i need to try autopistol psyker

[still hearth]

So it absolutely pops things

Its such a bad combo

[runic hornet]

apparently pinning fire affects soulblaze stacks

[still hearth]

Only because

[runic hornet]

which results in comedy with wildfire

[still hearth]

Autopistol wants to be out 100% of the time

But you want peril to have the damage bonus

And Quietitude regen

[runic hornet]

2 BBs or spam force sword like 3 times

you're full

[still hearth]

Yeah but then you quell super fast now

[runic hornet]

and I don't think the autopistol needs to be out "100% of the time"

[still hearth]

The blessings both benefit from spraying constantly

I mean its still OP

But that's 100% autopistol blessings being nutty

[runic hornet]

seriously you can probably 'recharge" from force sword special in between targets
And again, the point is that it apparently makes your wildfire stacks hit like bricks

so they go from "meh, blue stuff everywhere" to "this is actually killing everything"

[still hearth]

Doing 150% extra damage definitely kinda nutty

[spice veldt]

and 150% more cleave

[still hearth]

But Wildfire isn't great without Purg

[spice veldt]

god damn

[runic hornet]

I disagree, though I've only played 1 game as "blazing spirit trauma" right now

[still hearth]

I guess it helps to clear out horde you didn't hit with the shout

Well, maybe Trauma

I haven't touched that combo

[runic hornet]

I think Wildifire doesn't contribute meaningfully to purge and actually helps with other staff selection

[still hearth]

It only helps if you can
A) Stack more soulblaze one a few targets than others
B) Only hit certain targets with soulblaze and not others

[runic hornet]

wildfire will constantly burn things in your vicinity, usually
If you have a purgatus staff, everythign in your vicintity should already be getting roasted all the damn time

But with trauma or voidstrike or even surge, you constantly put those staffs away for other reasons

[still hearth]

I never put my Void away

Balls go brr

[twilit badger]

Stop using guns please

Guys

[floral mulch]

Brrrrrrrrrr!

[twilit badger]

Seriously

[floral mulch]

=^.^=

[twilit badger]

Leave that job to vets

Can you just

Use staffs plz

Kek

[still hearth]

No

[floral mulch]

Spray and Pray!

-snicker-

[still hearth]

I tried XII on Psyker again

[magic burrow]

Scrubs shall look down upon Psykers and demand they stop using guns, and I shall look down upon them and whisper "No"

[still hearth]

It works just fine combo with BB

Still think its better on Psyker than on Vet because Vet can do so much better with other guns

[runic hornet]

yeah, it's fine
Like I said if I could replace vet frags with psyker BB I would do it without feeling bad

lose some clutch potential, gain a fuckton of utility

[still hearth]

Getting to pop specials and elites for free to get ammo

[magic burrow]

Vet nades are a bit too vanilla IMO.

I think vet nades should glow blue when theyre tossed, so we can shoot and destroy them before they go off. That would be neat.

[floral mulch]

Gimme a biomancy pskyer so I can turn my enemies into turnips! Replace BB with... "replace skull with bootleather"

err replace /brain/ with bootleather... sorry!

[left basin]

doez any1 use quicken

[runic hornet]

quicken is shockingly hilarious if you lean into warpcharges and warpbattery with it

warpcharges from coherency, 6 warpcharges

every 3 procs you get a very short CD ult

is it good? ehhhh

is it hilarious to ult so much? yes

you feel like the fucking dragonborn

fus ro dah

[magic burrow]

I have three curios with reduced ult recharge. I should try a quicken spam build

[sterile vale]

Certainly a tremendous idea for our psykers to unleash the warp that often

Nothing could go wrong

[magic burrow]

better warp outside than inside is what my mom always used to say

[runic hornet]

just any time you notice that you have 6 warp charges again

ult

even if all you're doing is knocking over 1 poxwalker

you can sometimes get lucky during horde situations with the 4% proc

and without using a single BB, end up being able to 6-charge ult as soon as its ready

again, is it good? probably not, you're dropping your warp charges on purpose and your ult isn't helping you kill anything directly

and you can only really reliably chain it off the 4% coherency warpcharge procs which will only come in fast while in horde

[wise pecan]

Alternative idea: trade out communion for the faster ult recharge and main bb

[stable silo]

what perk should i reroll ?

[manic halo]

so whats a psyker build people are usingh

[stable silo]

i assume infested to flak or something?

[manic halo]

tbh I would get rid of the crit chance

and role it to flak

but das just me

[shy prairie]

I second the above

[wise pecan]

Idk, crit’s good on purg

[runic hornet]

the direct hit damage of purg is nontrivial

crit helps on it

even before hte consideration that it applies more stacks

[wise pecan]

I’d much rather swap out infested

[runic hornet]

frankly, I'd replace warp flurry with "can't be interrupted while channeling", but that's just because I hate getting interrupted by rifles while trying to flame them

i don't need to charge faster

I need to make it so that I don't need to try and charge again

[wise pecan]

The weapon that’s fantastic at clearing trash does not need 20% extra damage vs the second trashiest trash

[forest coral]

You want crit on purg as it gives extra burn stacks

[shy prairie]

reduced range damage w/peril

[wise pecan]

There was some debate earlier about whether you want to pick flak, unarmored, or maniac damage on purgatus, but I’d definitely keep the crit and swap out infested for one of those

[runic hornet]

infested is definitely wrong, yeah

unarmored is good for rifle dregs
flak is good for rifle scabs
maniac is good for ragers

[near wyvern]

Anything, all work now. Guns are not optimal but IFS is so strong it doesn't matter.

Basically your build goes like this.

Weapons:

• Ranged weapon clears horde well -> take DFS
• Ranged weapon does not clear horde well -> take IFS

Feats:

• Pick Quietitude
• Pick Warp Unleashed
• Don't pick Mind in Motion
• Pick Wildfire if you have a Blazing spirit staff
• Randomly assign the rest

This guide covers 100% of all builds that can easily clear Damnation hi.

[manic halo]

thank u

[wise pecan]

Well it’s a purgatus so you probably won’t be hitting a lot of rifle anything, but flak is good for the heavy trash + most elites, and unarmored is good for the other heavy trash

[runic hornet]

i have the memory of a sieve, what's DFS/IFS again

[manic halo]

thank

[wise pecan]

The new force swords

[shy prairie]

sword new

[forest coral]

Deimos fs

Illi fs

[runic hornet]

oh, Ilissi and Deimos

[wise pecan]

Deimos and illisi

[forest coral]

Dick sword and discount powersword

[runic hornet]

Wait, i thought the deimos was bad

[forest coral]

Deimos is cracked

[runic hornet]

somehing to do with its special not working properly

or was that fixed today

[forest coral]

Just needs something to cover horde clear

[shy prairie]

five stacks of slaughterer hitting for 840~ on mauler w/charge

[forest coral]

Nah it’s special is still wack

But it’s the heavy thrust that counts

[runic hornet]

is it purely hte moveset?

[forest coral]

The thrust

[manic halo]

the new force swords made the dueling swords even more useless

[forest coral]

The special is bugged but it still works well for big chunky things like crushers etc

[wise pecan]

Deimos’s moveset is a little clumsy but the heavy 2 is a very strong thrust and really easy to repeat

[runic hornet]

give the duelswords back their movetech

[forest coral]

Ye

Deimos is my go to for ascendant purg builds

[wise pecan]

What’s the bug? I noticed the Deimos special was not doing as much carapace damage as the obscurus, but I wasn’t sure if that was just my obscurus having +25% carapace

[forest coral]

illi for quick joins I’m not sure about

[shy prairie]

bb special attack where I slap the shit out of a heretic for running towards my manic psyker blowing people's heads in

[forest coral]

If u attack too quickly during the specials injection

It cancels itself out

[wise pecan]

Oof

[forest coral]

Also it does less damage vs certain armor classes than just thrusting for some weird reason

But vs crushers, it’s still effective

[near wyvern]

The special is only good for pumping up peril. 2nd heavy on it hits like a truck and your ways of accessing it is:

• light heavy cancel
• light heavy repeat
• push heavy
• push attack heavy

Don't use the special attack on it. Repeating push heavy does more DPS and staggers all trash around you while not locking yourself into an animation.

That being said, you have Duelling sword Mk II and IV quality dodges but they are infinite with single target damage that hits like a truck.

[forest coral]

Can someone pin this

this good stuff

[runic hornet]

oh, was that it

[forest coral]

Ye

mostly

That and weird moveset to learn and limited horde cleave

but u don’t use it for hordes so it’s like w/e

[shy prairie]

use aoe staff + st dps sword

[forest coral]

My apm is usually pretty high so I kept cancelling the specials when I was learning the wep

[wise pecan]

Yeah horde cleave is a weak point but also irrelevant with proper weapon selection (staves have infinite ammo)

Deimos and surge is a Bad Idea tho lol

[runic hornet]

place your bets

fug

[wise pecan]

Gonna roll +stam and a t1 feat

[near wyvern]

Just screen shot it, print it out and tape in the middle of your computer screen

[near wyvern]

Yeah it's a weird thing, the cleave is small but if you can funnel them to a narrow choke it clears horde on light spam like a beast since it has fast lights and just one shots everything.

[forest coral]

It’s not that bad, it still decent

[wise pecan]

That’s not unsalvageable. I’d say maybe switch unarmored for carapace (or just leave it as is) and precog for slaughterer and you’re good

[runic hornet]

oops

I swapped out uncanny strike for slaughterer

Thinking about it, the rending is better I guess

well, whatever

I wasn't attached to it anyway

[near wyvern]

Hadron likes to fuck us up with blessings. It's not really blessing dependant so optimal is Deflector + Unstable Power.

[forest coral]

With enough practice this thing can snipe elites in hordes

[wise pecan]

I mean you have infinite dodges so keeping precog up should be trivial

[runic hornet]

ah yes

a whole

[forest coral]

but it’s such a weird moveset to learn

[runic hornet]

6% weakspot damage

[wise pecan]

That… might be enough to hit a breakpoint

Somewhere

[near wyvern]

Yes, you can spam push heavy to just smack elites while keeping trash staggered if you get good finesse

[forest coral]

Yeh

In power out damnation, the thrust was a massive godsend

[runic hornet]

oh wow, the thrust whacks carapace hard even without special

[forest coral]

Inbetween purg burns, being able to 1-2 tap things quickly is nuts

like it destroys maulers

[near wyvern]

Same with Trauma. Bang bang, ooh a flamer on back line, stab, back to Trauma.

[forest coral]

Ye

[near wyvern]

Not to talk about finishing off elites and specials that you throw on your feet

[forest coral]

not to mention, it does very good damage to assassination bosses

[wise pecan]

It’s got a very antax quality of just really easily hitting heads for me. Not sure if that’s a good thing against maulers

[near wyvern]

YES which is why you don't use special. Animation lock = death, unless the fight is already over.

[forest coral]

I also managed to Kite demon host with it until it despawned itself on that round

I’ll post a vid of it later

the dodge distance on this thing is fantastic

[wise pecan]

Yeah it’s kinda just like… a sexier rapier?

[near wyvern]

Yes and you can dodge slide to your hearts content without getting pemalized by the double cost

[near wyvern]

It's like a rapier had a bigger brother she told you not to worry about

[wise pecan]

sweet home alabama

[forest coral]

oh no

[leaden thunder]

the deimos is very nice

took a grey one into heresy with a freind of mine

with 4 psykers

moveset felt nice

[forest coral]

It’s got a higher floor and ceiling as well

Definitely a strong clutch weapon

[leaden thunder]

the dodges

[wise pecan]

I do really wish the light heavy light heavy actually used your first swing lights

[leaden thunder]

are super nice

only problem with it

is I wish the stab was heavy 1

[wise pecan]

Yeah that’s my alternative desire

[spice veldt]

i guess they really wanted to avoid having the same light->heavy hordeclear combo on all force swords

[wise pecan]

But Oops All Stabs is not good horde clear

[near wyvern]

Until you realize you can chain push into 2nd heavy and push attack into 2nd heavy. Push into heavy is especially useful since you can stagger trash and get a free window to headshot the elite.

[leaden thunder]

nvm then

[forest coral]

Yes it comes out very quickly too

[runic hornet]

eh, chain push->heavy2 could just as easily be push->heavy1

[forest coral]

Straight up one shots majority of things

[runic hornet]

theoretically

[dusk zephyr]

Roundhouse kick a zealot into the rockcrete, judo throw zealots into packs of hunting ground modifier pox hounds

[manic halo]

Skin a zealot and turn them into new boots

[dusk zephyr]

Also, should psykers have curios that give more wounds, (especially for higher difficulties) or should they focus on boosting max health and toughness

[manic halo]

(900 ordo dockets)

[spice veldt]

whether you take wounds or not depends on how often you go down

though psykers do have the ability to kill themselves at will, so I guess you could down yourself to get HP back if you really want to do that

I personally prefer to just stack hp/toughness though

[manic halo]

im suprised no one has made a low tier god meme with the psykers already

[solemn zenith]

While I'm a vet main I have will always go with a plus one wound on everything expect ogryn

[still hearth]

Wounds on Zealot

You disgrace

[solemn zenith]

Having a extra down state is so useful to have in the back pocket

[manic halo]

Fuck you meannn

[still hearth]

Not if you don't suck

https://tenor.com/view/oooo-oop-turnaround-ooopsie-gif-17449679

[manic halo]

imma stack wounds

[solemn zenith]

Jokes on you I don't even play zealot

[manic halo]

just to spite you

[still hearth]

Understandable

[manic halo]

https://tenor.com/bUFuu.gif

[forest coral]

I dont like the idea of going down at all so I stack health on psyker. On zealot i run 2 tough 1 health

[solemn zenith]

I'll just say power sword that'll get zealots rilled up

[spice veldt]

no it's the illisi now

the zealots are going through another depression now

[still hearth]

Thunder Hammer "fixed"

Which is a massive nerf to it

[manic halo]

i stack wounds on ogryn

because its funny

me like big bar

[spice veldt]

now I await for a cleave special melee on ogryn

[solemn zenith]

Lol

[solemn zenith]

When flamer is mega OP and they can get AP from ult on any weapon

Zealot is super strong

[spice veldt]

oh i know that, but the fact they don't have any good cleave special melees

despite being a melee-focused class

[still hearth]

Who needs special cleave

When you can use Heavy Sword/Bull Butcher

And just cleave 13+ targets for 100+ damage minimum

[solemn zenith]

Exactly lol they don't need it if they build right

[stable hare]

Anyone got any tips for the cliffhanger penance? Psy wrath doesnt seem to push mobs that far away

[solemn zenith]

Plus sometimes the game just hates you and send 40 elites and 3 disablers at you all at the same time

[cloud sequoia]

looks good

[still hearth]

Skill issue

[leaden thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-my-beloved-gif-22029076

[solemn zenith]

I know there is a certain map to do it on that you can do it right at the start but I forget which one

[stable hare]

I'll look it up, thanks

[solemn zenith]

Just look up cliffhanger penance on YT it'll pop up

[near wyvern]

Sometimes shit happens where you have very little control of. The benefit extra wound is great for those bullshit moments where you get body blocked by a groaner into mutant or trapper and then trash or flamer takes some free hits on you.

[near wyvern]

Knockback scales with warp charges

[solemn zenith]

Plus you can use weapons push as well like from force swords doesn't t have to be from ult

[stable hare]

Ah thats good to know

recently got the warp battery feat

[still hearth]

I just never die twice. Easy.

[stable hare]

force swords have better push than other melee?

[still hearth]

I literally got blown up by 3 poxwalkers last game

[leaden thunder]

I think I shoved enemies off with an axe

after ulting

[still hearth]

But most of the time I feel like another wound doesn't help me at all

To each their own

[stable hare]

On another note, what curios for psyker? HP-HP-Tough?

[still hearth]

I run HP HP Stam atm

[cloud sequoia]

Stamina staming stamina

[spice veldt]

i run tough tough stam

[still hearth]

But I forget I can block boolets

[cyan notch]

3x haich pee

[stable hare]

Wow is stam that good?

then what about perks?

[leaden thunder]

I need to try 2 tough on mine

[hybrid solstice]

You have to shove them yourself a few times and then use psy wrath

[still hearth]

Stamina is a nice meme

[spice veldt]

psyker just has really shit base stamina

[still hearth]

Helps with blocking bullets

Helps with Deflection peril stuff

[spice veldt]

if you don't run stamina or kinetic deflection on the force sword for example, you're going to get guardbroken like hell

[cloud sequoia]

You can dodge sprint bullet

[leaden thunder]

tbf

I like never block

[still hearth]

Perks for Curios for me:
Revive Speed
Sniper Resistance
Stamina regen (1x only)
Then whatever.

Probably Gunner Resistance

[spice veldt]

happens to me when I'm not qq cancelling or they hit me right as I start a push

[stable hare]

hp, tough and combat ability regen are not good right?

[leaden thunder]

hp and tough are good

[still hearth]

Combat Ability is ass.

HP and Tough are decent

[hybrid solstice]

HP is very good imo

[cloud sequoia]

Hp perk is for breaking 500 hp ogryn

[still hearth]

I just feel like reducing Sniper from doing half my HP to 1/4th is more important than having like 20 more HP.

[cloud sequoia]

If you cant dodge sniper get sniper res

[still hearth]

I dodged a sniper last game

And then took damage as the shot missed me

So

[leaden thunder]

or if you get fucked by random snipers

[still hearth]

[hybrid solstice]

The HP is good because of the chip damage from toughness damage you can often take

[leaden thunder]

I don't use it

[still hearth]

The beam literally 2m away from me

[leaden thunder]

but there is many times

that I wish I did

[still hearth]

Snipers just sometimes end my runs randomly

And I'd rather avoid that than have a bit more HP

[cloud sequoia]

Mutant, flamethrower, dog res is bugged (last time i heard) so its kinda useless

[leaden thunder]

when I dodge it and it just doesn't count, or I round a corner and get domed

[spice veldt]

simply pray that no snipers spawn during the mission

[still hearth]

Hi5

When it spawns 3 snipers

At the same time

[spice veldt]

simply hide in the corner and never leave it

close your eyes and ears

and it'll be as if the snipers were never there

[cloud sequoia]

My muscle reflex ingrained the sniper dodge everytime i see red laser, that applies to other game than dark tide

See red, shit it's sniper

[still hearth]

On Veteran running sniper resistance is even more fun

[spice veldt]

i was watching some l4d2 gameplay where some players had laser sights and I winced whenever I saw the red lasers

[still hearth]

Because you can get to a point where you can tank 4 sniper shots

And take 0 HP damage

Veteran is fair and balanced

In fact if you take 2 shots and kill the sniper

[leaden thunder]

it's like fucken payday 2 players hearing the cloaker sound

[still hearth]

You get that toughness back

[white cedar]

that give PTSD 😂

[clear hamlet]

Training and faith

[leaden thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/payday2-cloaker-jumpscare-we-call-this-a-difficulty-tweak-gif-26437582

[white cedar]

I use cloaker sound mod in DRG, it very scary

[idle bay]

Just found really silly thing. I was playing all day long with a minor lag.... just to find out 9 hours later that i was using VPN via Zurich all that time. Silly me 🙂

I've seen bot dodging a sniper shot today.

[leaden thunder]

bots are cracked at dodging 1 thign at a time

[idle bay]

And seen 2 bots teaming up to kill Bulwark

[leaden thunder]

they are learning

[idle bay]

They butched him on Heresy

Level 1 bots used teamwork and killed Bulwark on Heresy in seconds.
They are better than 50% of player base already

[spice veldt]

200iq bots actually shooting bulwarks when I stagger them with my BB

[idle bay]

And they have immaculate horde management skills unless they surrounded

if bot gets surrounded - insta dead

[ember hornet]

is there a TLDR of new psyker stuff/tech somewhere

[idle bay]

Check in pinned messages

[ember hornet]

dammit

I got pinned

it's 630 AM cut me some slack

[spice veldt]

i don't think that there's any new tech so far

[ember hornet]

ah

[idle bay]

Well no techs for new FS?

[spice veldt]

except being able to spam the special of illisi without needing to swap away from it

[still hearth]

Less tech.

[spice veldt]

oh i guess push->heavy for the Deimos to get to the 2nd heavy

since the push chains into the 2nd attacks for the two new force swords

[still hearth]

Jerk off your sword for peril

[ember hornet]

well wouldn't BB breakpoint stuff be "tech"

[cyan notch]

i dont think thats tech

[ember hornet]

I guess not

[idle bay]

Some mad Psyker made Illisi with Bloodthirsty + Blaze + Wildfire feat - hoard roasting for days "_

[cyan notch]

its in the thing anyway

[still hearth]

Tech to me is like fighting game combos

Up, Down, Left, Right, A, B

Oh yeah the new Force Swords having Deflector built in

[spice veldt]

stuff that requires inputs and results in a direct consequence from those inputs

[still hearth]

That's a nice one

[idle bay]

And probably will get fixed

[ember hornet]

I'm thinking like, now you can do X and Y and get Z whereas before you couldn't

[still hearth]

Mostly BB break points. Quietitude being the best most of the time.

[cyan notch]

i dont think the push heavy is really tech either its just a string

[idle bay]

Hard quest now - go for groceries using only one hand... in rain.

[still hearth]

Yeah push attack always counts as a first attack in a combo

Even on other weapons

[spice veldt]

not push-attack but just the push

[ember hornet]

is warp unleashed the thing now

[still hearth]

Yes

There's no reason not to run it basically

[ember hornet]

yeah, figured

[still hearth]

Since peril management is a joke

And you want more peril to quell anyway

[cyan notch]

unless you want to spam staff

[still hearth]

Yeah if you'd rather spam then Tranquil still pretty good

But idk if there's any staff that benefits enough for that

[idle bay]

There is ONE reason to run Inner Tranq... but it's for special interest psykers like me.

[still hearth]

Compared to doing more damage

[ember hornet]

I tried the blaze spam voidstrike, it was fun, obnoxious, and pretty terrible

[summer prairie]

trauma doesn't benefit much from more damage, except if you run the dot trauma

[cyan notch]

special interest in blocking bullets

[spice veldt]

warp unleashed breakpoints for BB from pygex's guide

[summer prairie]

but even then you may want it for your bb/melee

[ember hornet]

this is dope

[leaden thunder]

wait

how did I not realize it effects bb

[still hearth]

I've found its not as useful as it seems in game tbh

But its nice sometimes to save a bit of time

[idle bay]

More like - zzaping more without quelling. I love long shock-therapy session for heretics. Extra bullet blocking is pleasant bonus i never use to full 🙂 Few seconds usualy enough

[still hearth]

And the damage on bosses is definitely noticeable

With full BB boost build

[ember hornet]

I really need to disable psyker effects

Living at 100% peril all the time

[spice veldt]

they added in an option under Interface to tone down peril FX

[ember hornet]

oh

[idle bay]

You can set them to 0 % annoyance now 🙂

[spice veldt]

i fucking turned that shit down the moment i saw it in the patch notes

[still hearth]

You can hit 2 shots on Reaper too with high peril and Lacerations

[ember hornet]

That's awesome

[cyan notch]

its ultra useful when ur playing shock troops for example the 1 shot is night and day

[ember hornet]

Lots of psyker love

Who woulda thunk it

[still hearth]

Psyker has been buffed so much lately

Its kinda scary

[spice veldt]

i don't recommend turning it down to 0% though

lmao

[idle bay]

I wined too hard on forums and they listened 🙂

[ember hornet]

too bad they ruined the playstyle I've been building for 600 hours

[cyan notch]

i have disable screen effects and mute peril sounds and the official in game fx to 0

[spice veldt]

bloodthirsty?

[ember hornet]

aggressive hammer

[spice veldt]

oh right ur a dirty zealot

[ember hornet]

ye

[spice veldt]

f anim cancel

and apparently you can't even block while you're slowed?

[ember hornet]

now you just have to wait 3 whole seconds

nope

can't do anything

[spice veldt]

woooooooow

[still hearth]

YOu can only suffer

For 3 seconds

[spice veldt]

holy shit

[still hearth]

Some people even played this way before, refusing the cancel

[spice veldt]

thunderhammers have been done so dirty god damn

[ember hornet]

yeah the special is unusable in most hi5 situations

[still hearth]

And idk how they remained sane

[ember hornet]

Yeah

[idle bay]

I was Hammer enjoyer on Zealot - have not played him since patch because of that fix. I don;t know what to with that class now. No other weapon as fun as hammer... New hammer maybe?

[ember hornet]

Nope

[still hearth]

New Hammer is judged to be worse

[ember hornet]

New hammer is worse

It has evis special problems

So the special is just more clunky

and overall worse than using crucis

It's not like, bad

[idle bay]

Then only one option left - go stabby-stabby....

[ember hornet]

but crucis is more consistent at the job

Or you could hsword and turn off brain

[idle bay]

Which mark?

[ember hornet]

IX

headtaker + rampage

win game

anyways I was thinking about being a dirty psyker until they fix the hammer

[idle bay]

Ah... i was using that one. And thinking that something is wrong

[ember hornet]

VII is the one people don't like

[idle bay]

Wish me luck with ~~Hardon ~~Hadron! She already ruined today 2 370+ weapons for me.

[spice veldt]

did it turn out good

[idle bay]

Nah...

One usable perk. No good blessings

Thank Omnissia i have a spare 373 sword

AHAHAHH! Even worse

[manic halo]

kill hadron

[idle bay]

I pissed in her WD-40 stash

[manic halo]

Good

good

[idle bay]

And i out of mats 🙂

And without usable melee weapon on Zealot - life is great 🙂

Thanks the emprah i play him like a vet with Vraks MK III and don't use melee much

[left basin]

whine more about sikers

one day, we might get one-shot ogryn bbs

[woeful cliff]

The better quelling makes animation cancelling certain attacks really good, I noticed the effects very prominently on voidstrike, even a moment of quelling can offset the cost of uncharged orbs.

You can machine gun the orbs if you set up a macro

[left basin]

transfer peril and it's funky

[idle bay]

I honestly can't whine any more about Psykers. We are too good now 🙂

[woeful cliff]

Oh yeah Psykers are like, leagues better this patch, they did really good.

[idle bay]

There are only small caveats left and that's it

[left basin]

to be fair with the new scalings and stuff i was thinking of swapping out transperil for warp nexus for my voidstrike surge

[left basin]

point them out to me so i can whine

[idle bay]

They are really small - it will look really silly to complain about them 🙂

Like Staff's special serving no purpose at all

While it can be Block

[woeful cliff]

Ehh, blocking would serve no purpose, you can just swap to your sword

[idle bay]

No-no-no that's the idea - not swapping (input bugs and delays are persistant issue) \

[spice veldt]

BB being sticky when swapping from it while you have lmb held down at times

[idle bay]

Naturally you can swap but in 5% cases you will get karked hard because of input related issues

[spice veldt]

i have taken so many unnecessary hits from BB being such a motherfucker to swap from

[woeful cliff]

That sounds like a bandage that solves an issue with the game's latency.. I would like if staves had a special that was like gun psyker specials or FS push attack, where you do a knockback pulse that was stronger than the average push.

[idle bay]

And staff block can have built-in Kinetic Deflection - so you build up Peril while blocking - which can be good to activate feats

[woeful cliff]

Costing peril obv

[idle bay]

Or staff special can be HIGH stagger melee attack

[spice veldt]

also where is my single-target dps force staff

where's my fucking peril glock

[woeful cliff]

Peril glock

[spice veldt]

it would presumably be easier to bump the stagger value of the bonk as well

just fuckin make it useful like staggering ragers out of their combos or some shit

maybe they made it so low so that players don't meme with staff bonk only builds

this is a 200iq move by fatshark to keep psykers sane

[woeful cliff]

I mean, if you gave Psyker high single target DPS at range, you'd start overstepping the precious Veteran class specialty

[feral verge]

So

[leaden thunder]

I mean

[spice veldt]

up

[leaden thunder]

we arleady can

[feral verge]

Every other class has that option

[leaden thunder]

just use a gun

[spice veldt]

guns aren't real

[woeful cliff]

GUN PSYKER?

[feral verge]

To overstep other classes boundaries

[spice veldt]

i don't like guns cuz i use quietude and i dont generate peril from that

[leaden thunder]

but just in general of the overstepping on vet

[spice veldt]

i brought an IAG and got really sad that I had to sit behind cover to regen toughness

[idle bay]

That Class Specialty used only by fraction of vet players. Others just karking around or actually Having Fun 🙂

[leaden thunder]

psyker and zealot can both use guns

so idk if i'd call psyker getting a ranged "single" target staff overstepping

[left basin]

gunkers ew

[feral verge]

Vet can become a hordeclear with shotgun or power sword

[leaden thunder]

or a bolter if they want to waste ammo

[left basin]

vet can disappear from existence by standing

[leaden thunder]

or the agripina braced, or the shredder

[left basin]

invisibility staff when

[woeful cliff]

I mean, high single target isn't exactly a super high priority. There's no "Sniper rifle" in the game unless you count Plasma.

[leaden thunder]

hellbore

[left basin]

I WANT BIG BURST DAMIDGE

[woeful cliff]

Oooooh yeah I completely forgot helbore

[cyan notch]

revolver is the best

[idle bay]

You have 10% chance for double BB, and it's BIGGEST Burst Damage possible in the game

[left basin]

10% chance is blech

[idle bay]

Happens 9/10 times after not shooting anyone... 🙂

[left basin]

i want a 4th F variant that drops the CC aspect of it and straight up just buffs bb for a big bazong

[idle bay]

Seriously when you have not touched anyone - you first attack is 90% time will get a BB

[left basin]

"Warp Edging"

[idle bay]

Sounds kinky

Redlining Peril

[left basin]

with seer psyker saying something along the lines "beloved, i am psyking"

[woeful cliff]

I was joking about the class boundaries. I know every class can specialize in any role to some extent, some better than others at very specific ones.

[left basin]

bonus points if all moan instead of laughing like maniacs

[idle bay]

3rd Vet personaity have line" I love you, Trapper!"

[spice veldt]

every class except zealot no longer has melee weapons

every class except veteran no longer has guns

[idle bay]

Psyker main role is to Kick ASS.

[woeful cliff]

And then they give Zealot throwing axes

[left basin]

MAKE STEFF TAKE TWO SLOTS SO WE HAVE A FUNKY KUNG FU PSYKER WITH A STICK

[woeful cliff]

"Guys Zealot wasn't supposed to have ranged"

[left basin]

i really hope the knife throw subclass wont be actually throwing knives that's cringe

[woeful cliff]

Hmm

[spice veldt]

maybe if they attach a toughness regen mechanic to the knives

[left basin]

magic missile

magic missile all the way no fuckin bitch ass knife

[idle bay]

Class that throws Bleach and Acid and other Cleaning supplies

[feral verge]

https://youtu.be/I5UyAv2rMiM

[idle bay]

And can remove stains after Nurgle Beast

[left basin]

isaac's grimdark missile storm

[feral verge]

Ahhh fuck I'm gonna psyk everywhere

[left basin]

i've been warping all over the place because of that

[woeful cliff]

Make Psyker a bullet hell class

[left basin]

and because i disabled perilcore completely like a moron

my brane borsted so hard i actually don't look at percentage and just press the quell button for a split second every time daemons drop the bass

[feral verge]

The peril noises are annoying, but I need the visuals to help remind me how close I am to cooming

[left basin]

and naturally i thought "yeh ima look at the percentage and screen shakies"

but in fact i'm hardwired to press quell after perilcore bassdrop

[feral verge]

I play with atleast 60% peril at all times

[left basin]

i really went back to day 1 when i was exploding all the time

[feral verge]

I try to maintain 80%

[idle bay]

Disable Peril FX completely and ignore the numbers. Play by experience and feelings 🙂 Roleplay the Psyker

[left basin]

i just edge 97%

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-gif-sobbing-uoooh-gif-24612778

[feral verge]

Maybe you're the psyker I played with yesterday

On high int damn

[left basin]

yeh

[feral verge]

He gooned no less than 5 times. Maybe even 10 times

[left basin]

was his name georg

[left basin]

neh

[feral verge]

Ziljheim

[left basin]

blaze force sounds mega goofy

[spice veldt]

my blaze force sword blaze force sword

[left basin]

why'z it blaze force

[idle bay]

Have you been called Lumberfoot even once? If not report Kerillan player in steam for the most grievous acts imaginable 🙂

[cyan notch]

they probably pasted blaze force sword twice

[left basin]

why do da swords have the edgiest possible names

fuckin

[feral verge]

I haven't

[left basin]

and pair that with

"blaze force"

fucking

MLG Gaming Pattern Sword "Dominatus"

[feral verge]

That kerillian vet was actually good

Unlike most kerillian and vet players lol

[idle bay]

He may live in peace then 🙂

[feral verge]

Flak was good too

[left basin]

so what do i whine about then

[feral verge]

Clak

[idle bay]

I really miss being called Lumberoot

[left basin]

ah

staf no blok

[rare furnace]

I tried to improve the graphics and they just crash 💥

[left basin]

ok

[feral verge]

If those other 2 players weren't good too, we would've lost that game because of that psyker

[left basin]

MELEE BB CAST!!!

[feral verge]

We barely won

[left basin]

STAFF SPECIAL MELEE BB SLAM

FULL CONTACT WARP COOMING

beloved will be like wtf

i need to drink less

[spice veldt]

something to note is that you can see flame effects on enemies when you hit them with the illis special

[left basin]

or more

warp harassment lawsuit

[idle bay]

1. Staffs special serving no sensible purpose
2. HORRENDOUS clippling issues with Maleus Monstrum Penance armour.
3. Lack of really glowing eyes and glowing auras cosmetics for Accessories slot

3 is good number for a start

[left basin]

yeh glowy eyz

[cyan notch]

a lot of ranged specials do nothing great

they have to balance them around torchlight

[left basin]

but we're psykers

we influence the fatmaterium

[idle bay]

Torchlight is useful 🙂

[cyan notch]

i dont mind having a staff torchlight

[idle bay]

Staff special - to be BIG Flashlight . not beam but like lamp

Like Gandalf did with his staff

[uneven drift]

Tried to play with both new swords and seems i just stick to Antax Have a middle of two worlds.

[feral verge]

madlad

[idle bay]

Meanwhile, while self-stun cancelling for Hammer is fixed foer Zealot. Quell cancelling is still there for Void-machine-gun

[still hearth]

You mean

On every staff

[fringe garden]

I got a 370 ilis with t4 blazing spirit.. only got slaughterer t2 in the other slot, but it slaps regardless

[left basin]

shhhh

[near wyvern]

Daung I am jealous. You just need Bloodthirsty and it's time to golf with Wildfire

[fringe garden]

Yeah, bloodthirsty would make my day

[clear hamlet]

I rolled an 378 ilis with two tier 2 blessings, this shit should not be a thing

[fringe garden]

Or even a t4 riposte maybe

[left basin]

wait

bloodthirsty

and slaughterer

[fringe garden]

Can keep it's crit chance buff up constantly I feel like

[near wyvern]

It especially hurts when you upgrade to blue, get T3, upgrade to orange and get T2

[clear hamlet]

At least then it's salvageable

[near wyvern]

Unless that T3 is precog or riposte

[fringe garden]

Yeah, I upgraded to blue and it had t4 blazing. I knew that was all of my luck for.. a while

[near wyvern]

T4 at blue holy smokes. Never seen a T4 come at blue.

[leaden thunder]

riposte is ok

precog tho

[left basin]

had it come in form of surge on coomstrike

[near wyvern]

I wonder if it's worth it to buy like 10 brunt randos, roll all for blue and then trash instead of going to orange with only the best base values

[leaden thunder]

I think it probably depends on a number of things

for my psyker(who is rather poor) that isn't worth, but if your psyker is much more well off then it might be

[near wyvern]

For fishing T4 blessings

Orange costs so many resources

[near wyvern]

I have gotten surge twice. For trauma

[cyan portal]

If you're hunting just to rip blessing then low stat blue is the way. I don't think chance for t4 on orange is as much better as the extra cost. If you're hunting for a weapon to use you want high stat and might push to orange for the chance if perks are good.

Once you're farming modifi5 damnation the plastel fee doesn't feel so bad. Get to roll up a orange from brunt's about every 2 missions. Get about 80k credits so 8 chances at good base. Then about 1500 plastel to upgrade with.

[feral verge]

I tried active t4 farming for the first time in awhile yesterday

For force sword

I upgraded several blues I had into orange

Around 10

No t4s

[summer prairie]

it's extremely not worth

[feral verge]

I hate the feeling of being poor, so I'm never going below 20k plasteel lol

[past parrot]

y'all ever just explode yourself (unintentionally) in a last man standing situation?

[leaden thunder]

no

becuase I die before then

[past parrot]

I'm grinding my Psyker to 30 and these Malice missions are wayyy harder than Hi5 quickplay

due to teammates lol

[spice veldt]

i've done that on an assassination mission when i was trying to clear enemies off a downed teammate with my trauma

[umbral jetty]

I had better luck jumping straight to Heresy than playing Malice as psyker. teammates are too heavy

[left basin]

surge? trauma?

do you boom twice?

huh???

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334322

[cyan notch]

does it work with rmb now?

[near wyvern]

roll up a orange from Brunt's every 2 missions

This is what I have been doing but started thinking if it's better to just roll to blue

[near wyvern]

It only works with LMB

For Trauma

[near wyvern]

Haven't tested again but highly doubt since there were no words on Surge blessing in the patch notes

[cyan notch]

[cyan portal]

I only do that if I'm hunting for a weapon I plan to use. Cause you need to land one good blessing.

[summer prairie]

still works fine with void rmb

[cyan notch]

i think even if they fix it to work with trauma rmb i have a feeling since the first explosion knocks down the 2nd one might just whiff

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-retch-disgusted-gif-13072867

[idle bay]

Last time they tried to fix quell cancelling they broke quell completely. And after that they have not tried to touch it again.
So it safe for years to come

[idle bay]

Unless they happen similtanously

[near wyvern]

I don't get it why it's so hard to fix it, just lock actions until recovery animation is over...

[idle bay]

Spaghetti code maybe? 🙂

[near wyvern]

It will make it a bit more punishing in that you can't instantly swap to melee after cast but if we get to keep the recent damage changes it's just learn to play

[fringe garden]

Using BB constantly feels much better with the quell changes

I find myself using it as a sniper to soften up enemies at a distance much much more

[silent geode]

https://i.imgur.com/vr8N6At.png making a psyker

[idle bay]

Not as sexy as original

[rare furnace]

My psyker boys have been summoned almost every match haha rn it’s first game with 1111 combo after 2 days

[fringe garden]

Everyone seems to be playing psyker lately

[idle bay]

At least they managed to get secondary channel attack cancel-proof on Surge staff

[near wyvern]

Fatshark quality

[silent geode]

https://i.imgur.com/KYNaDZc.png

trying to think of a name

Just went with "Sorry-for-what

[near wyvern]

Well no doubt. Psykers were already great before the buffs. All that really needed to change was the passive quelling on non force weapons, some bug fixes, re-working some redundant feats and a force sword variant that has horizontal strikes.

Instead they did buff quelling across the board, fix some of the bugs, increase our damage across the board, give us the horde clear force sword, give us a single target force sword with great mobility and DPS greater than antax and rework two of the three redundant feats.

We gonna get a nerf next patch no doubt.

[leaden thunder]

fuck me, is 63% charge rate on an otherwise max stats truma gonna feel bad?

[near wyvern]

Yes

[leaden thunder]

it's a fucken

379

with the dump being charge

you think 69% radius is acceptable?

again almost maxed stats

[near wyvern]

For trauma you want max charge speed and max blast radius. Then depending on which blessing combo you aim for (flurry shockwave with high damage, nexus spirit with low damage) you want wither high damage or low damage.

High warp resist is a nice bonus but not necessary, same goes for quelling now that manual quelling is 3 seconds in the worst case and 2 seconds at 80%.

For perks you want +infested +unarmoured for flurry shockwave and +crit chance +infested/+unarmoured for nexus spirit.

[leaden thunder]

so both of my staffs are kind fucked

though I do one that might work if I get nexus/sprit on it

and it rolled transfer peril

[past parrot]

so what staff is considered best? (or are any notably really good)

[leaden thunder]

all are pretty solid in their role

[past parrot]

I'm digging surge rn

didn't care for trauma but its was a level 5 grey

[leaden thunder]

void is like the anti shooter/horde clear staff, trauma is crowd control/horde clear (seeing a pattern yet) purge is horde clear/crowd control and surge is crowd control

at least

I think that is the niche of each staff

I am a fan of truma nad void

purge as well, not a big fan of surge tho

now if I could roll blazing spirt on the surge

i'd rock that 100%

[faint vault]

What kind of feats and ranged weapon would you guys pair with a god-rolled slaughterer illisi for a melee focused build? Also, do you prefer the Illisi or the Deimos?

[leaden thunder]

different weapons for different situations imo

but they are both good enough that you can pair them with about anything and be fine

[ornate hamlet]

Laspistol chads

[faint vault]

LASPISTOL ❤️

[leaden thunder]

but if you actually wanted to cover your bases Illisi is better with like the surge staff and deimos is better with purge and both work with void/truma

imo

[faint vault]

Got one with Ghost 4 yesterday. Been itching to test it out.

[idle bay]

Devil's Claw. no -ranged, no F, no BB - GIGACHADS

[stable hare]

Did the meta of quell speed not being a dump stat change since the quell speed baseline changes?

for staves

[faint vault]

Thanks!

[still hearth]

It's still a benefit but it was never the most important stat.

[celest hedge]

I feel like passive and general quell speeds are so good now that you don’t have to care too much about the quell speed stat anymore, it’s gonna be lightning fast

[still hearth]

You save less than a second I think

From 100% to 0

[silent geode]

https://i.imgur.com/sTeP8If.jpeg god I did a great fucking job

[still hearth]

Comparing hands to staff

[celest hedge]

Even before the buff, quell speed on a bad staff compared to normal was really such a big difference

[still hearth]

And it was also mostly just in calm situations that you'd want to fully quell

Or if you wanted to recover with Quietitude.

[fierce sinew]

the change in the quell speed curve makes short/pressured quelling (where the stat matters most) much faster now as well

[ornate hamlet]

Ngl I wish BB was faster on weaker enemies

[still hearth]

BB could use a small bump in speed in general.

But its already really strong

So its hard to argue for that other than "it would feel nicer"

[ornate hamlet]

Also apparently the charge speed from level 30 doesn't work on right-click

[still hearth]

Right-click is also 1s slower

And yeah I think it doesn't work on right click at all. Though I never use that function with barrage

[celest hedge]

Right click is just sad

[ornate hamlet]

You fill the bar faster, left-click and it just resets

[fierce sinew]

right click is fine for what it does

[ornate hamlet]

I think it's still trying to use the base timer

[still hearth]

I rarely use it because its not great to use

So

[ornate hamlet]

It's only for rush specials tbh

Hear a hound, start charging, pop on sight

[untold veldt]

Right click is good when you hear a mutie coming

Bout it

[fierce sinew]

it's niche but as a thing to preaim on a corner in response to a special spawn cue it's completely serviceable

[still hearth]

Yeah.

I don't get why it has a longer charge time though

Its just kinda random

[clear hamlet]

Because you can charge it preemptively? Makes sense

[karmic copper]

Whats best on trauma, blessingwise. Ive had flurry and the one that causes team brittleness. Cant remember the name. I now have a crit/flurry one but its shittier. All are t4/t3 blessings. I also have t4 blazing spirit for trauma. Would warp flurry and blazing spirit with 5% crit.. or warp nexus and blazing be good stuff? Obv with the new wikdfire etc

[ornate hamlet]

I do get annoyed I can't hold it too long

[fierce sinew]

to differentiate the use case I assume, if it was the same cast time and peril cost you'd hardly ever left click except when something was about to leave LoS

[ornate hamlet]

If the hound is drinking tea, I have to quell and redo it

[limber silo]

Nexus gives you more crit, so spirit would probably be better with it

[fierce sinew]

they pretty clearly want you to left click things you can see and right click things you can't yet. It's pretty enforced design but it works

[limber silo]

Rending Shockwave + Flurry might be better tho idk

[still hearth]

Crits aren't that great on the staffs

Not terrible

But the average damage increase isn't massive.

But it does help hit some break points, sometimes.

[karmic copper]

Ive felt more worthwhile spamming flurry rending shockwave with 80% charge speed trauma. I did a run yeaterday without tranquility and 6 stack and i blew up twice. Fucking massive peril ramp up

I know rending shockwave is like.. internal debuff and noone else even knows its there but i do

[spice veldt]

rending shockwave is prob useful for flamer comps and if your team knows, so i don't like to run it because that requires communication

instead, I prefer focused channeling https://streamable.com/b14gy5

[cyan notch]

yea its great it lets you be more aggressive and pull off stuff that u cant normally do

its nice with purg and trauma

[fiery atlas]

"the god-emperor taught us not to be ashamed of our obscurus swords..."

[orchid shadow]

Woot! I finally got Bloodthirsty!

[shy prairie]

bloodthirsty..

[wintry plover]

Too bad they nerfed it, it was a lot of fun pre-patch

[orchid shadow]

Aw really? Was it that big a change? I see that it's lost after 5 seconds of no attacking, but did it change it that much?

[shy prairie]

It had some silliness

[leaden thunder]

I have never worked so hard in my life

[near wyvern]

Purge was the over performer for a long time but after the Quell changes Trauma might pull ahead a bit. All the staves are very usable so we are splitting hair here for what is 'best'. They each have their strengths and weaknesses.

Surge suffered at Damnation hi due to the low amount of targets it can deal with, but now that IFS exists that hole is plugged. Void also had a bit trouble at Damnation Hi due to the amount of elites but DFS exists now to plug that hole as well.

[karmic copper]

@spice veldt i used to run flurry and focused and my friends (that i dont get a chance to play with because of the world) made fun of me. I always enjoyed conflag play frontlining in verm 2 clearing space etc and i found focused to be required for it. Esp with the issues i have/had with desync and input loss during horde. One missmanaged serverside thing and ive made mysepf vaulnerable as fuck

[leaden thunder]

that was a normal int damn

[near wyvern]

GZ!

[leaden thunder]

the fucken ai diretor

wasn't playing

[near wyvern]

It's still a monster on IFS

[shy prairie]

t h a g g o r a k i

[leaden thunder]

I was over double everyone elses damage until the end event

[past parrot]

but I don't like choices- I'm used to Zealot where Flamer is the one right answer 😦

[shy prairie]

the solution is to grind for good rolls on all the staves so you are multipurpose

[orchid shadow]

Thanks! Although I wonder if it's worth throwing it at Hadron to give to an Illis or keep on the Deimos since it's should still be a decent sword after I switch up a perk and blessing

[feral verge]

in recent games i've had with decent trauma users, they've been able to outdamage me

(as purga user)

that said i am fucking ar ound with melee more

but still

[near wyvern]

Deimos only uses special for pumping up peril. If you are landing a Deimos special on an enemy it's the last one left. Definitely slurp it and slap it on IFS.

And why is that? It's because the 2nd heavy has better DPS than the special and you can do it much safer, without preloading and you can bail out due to no animation lock.

Either you:

• light heavy cancel
• light heavy repeat
• push heavy
• push attack heavy

To get to the second heavy. And mind you, even push heavy spam does more DPS than special light and special heavy spam.

[karmic copper]

Anyone done a blazing spirit 4 with bloodthiesty illis yet for guaranteed blasting fires and death kills?

[cyan notch]

special is for 1 shotting stuff its not for dps anyway the charging and sticky time kills dps

[karmic copper]

With all the soulfire fuckery now** wildfire etc

[near wyvern]

Requires a hell of a luck at Hadron but based on my testing with spirit 3 nexus 4 Illis, it's gonna be good. Depending on mobs you get around 6-9 targets left ablaze after the ones that are instagibbed, assuming you have enough enemies in front of you.

[feral verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5UyAv2rMiM here is part 2 of illisi stroking @near wyvern

41% peril resistance

[orchid shadow]

Ahh, okay. Thanks for the advice!

[feral verge]

gotta be the fastest method of generating peril in the game

[near wyvern]

Man made me wait a whole day for the happy ending. That's some edging.

[feral verge]

lmao

i use it to get to 60% or 80& peril instantly

for max dmg/warp nexus

[cyan notch]

seems like a bug

[feral verge]

i hope not

[karmic copper]

@cyan notch am i naming wrong? I meant the "power sword FS." Isnt that illis? Isnt deimos the elven spear style jab, OG fs adjacent special one?

[cyan notch]

yes ur correct

[spice veldt]

yeah thats the illisi

[karmic copper]

Iirc illis is the one you can special spam woth bloodthirsty for multiple guaranteed crits on 9+ mobs. With WHATEVER the soulfire rank 4 blessing is. 4 stack soulfire in crit, and wildfire lvl 25.. wouldnt that work out well on mixed/dense horde?

[fringe garden]

It'd be cool if you could stack multiple special attacks with multiple charges

[leaden thunder]

it'd be neat

idk how good it'd be

[spice veldt]

i didnt find it very impressive because of the cleave

without slaughterer, the special sits at 10.5 cleave

which is still nice

[bold flint]

did a lights out pack hounds damnation run and got a 509 chainsword

[fringe garden]

I've got a 370 ilis with t4 blazing. Just farming for bloodthirsty or some other crit increasing perk

[spice veldt]

but I would still pefer slaughterer for tackling dense hordes

[leaden thunder]

what it;s cleave distribution ?

[worn cypress]

you have to consider that illisi mows things down really easily, questionable if you can get lots of stacks on normal mobs

[leaden thunder]

feels like it has really high damage over all targets

[worn cypress]

bet it'd be cool on tanky specials/elites tho

[spice veldt]

heavy special

[leaden thunder]

das pretty fucken good

[fringe garden]

I almost wonder if t4 riposte would be better and just light attack spam

[worn cypress]

and then let it spread from a bulwark to things with wildfire feat 🤔

[spice veldt]

heavy special with 5 t3 slaughterer stacks (17.1 cleave)

[leaden thunder]

I just have t1 sluaghterer on mine

[spice veldt]

smh

[leaden thunder]

but it seems to kill 3 poxies on the heavy swing

my psyker is still poor

[spice veldt]

smh

[feral verge]

im trying to get t4 unstable power on this

[spice veldt]

with warp charges and WU, you could prob kill 3 poxwalkers in three swings with t1

unstable and not slaughterer?

[feral verge]

yea

because im always at high peril

and i like that 'first strike' dmg bonus

because i dont use this thing for horde clear

that's what purga is for

[spice veldt]

das true

[feral verge]

i use it to generate peril for dmg obviously, and for toughness regen with quietitude and exorcist

[leaden thunder]

does it actually proc exorcist when you cleave multiple heads?

[feral verge]

i generate peril to 70%~ with it, use purga until im at 100% peril, swap to this and melee some fools until im back to 70~ and swap back to purga

with the special? i dont think so

i just lmb spam

[spice veldt]

i dont think exorcist does

[leaden thunder]

dang

that would been neat

[spice veldt]

with pre-patch testing

[worn cypress]

dont really need the special ye just spam

[leaden thunder]

I Was thinking just a general heavy or special

[worn cypress]

I find that I charge it very rarely because light spam itself is so good

[spice veldt]

other on-hit blessings can proc multiple times in one swing but apparently not exorcist

[leaden thunder]

yeah

that's why I asked

[feral verge]

it should work like that imo

[spice veldt]

is very sad

[feral verge]

but it doesnt appear to

i wouldnt be hype if it were t3 exorcist or lower

but t4, it's potential grows

for toughness regen

[leaden thunder]

also the illis feels great for clutching

like holy shit

[spice veldt]

mad damage output

[feral verge]

i like the deimos, its good. but i think illisi is better

it's that peril generation, and more importantly not getting stuck in an enemy when using the special

[leaden thunder]

the toughness regen you can get with it an quitude is just insane

[feral verge]

it has less single target dmg obviously, but its enough single target dmg

[spice veldt]

and the base cleave is enough to cleave 2 ragers/maulers

[feral verge]

it's not amazing, but its good enough for me

with unstable power, warp unleashed and 6 battery charges

[umbral jetty]

i am trying to get a deimos with 40 or less warp resist

[feral verge]

based

i want one too

[umbral jetty]

the moveset on it feels so much like a vermintide weapon

kerillian spear vibes

infinite dodges, amazing push, huge stabs.

[feral verge]

this is my best deimos. 70% warp resist unfortunately

[umbral jetty]

great looking sword

[celest hedge]

blessings could be higher but that's a pretty looking sword

spear/rapier life is what I wanted and it does it real nicely

[umbral jetty]

i need to start saving my dockets for skins

[feral verge]

i probably aint gonna use a deimos until i can make one similar to my illisi

[leaden thunder]

I ran a grey deimos in heresy to test it

[feral verge]

but i prefer illisi anyway so its gucci

[leaden thunder]

with the purgatus

felt very nice

[faint vault]

Honestly, on the Deimos, force resist is a dump stat. The light heavy combo outdamages charged attacks by a lot