psyker-class

[leaden thunder]

+X rending is brittlness in disguise

[viral solstice]

indeaed...

but yeah since they normed weapons doing over 100% damage to armour types

this not only makes enemies take MORE damage from putting on armour

[limber silo]

Why can I get 100% rending and still do less damage to armored enemies

[viral solstice]

eg flak ragers taking triple laspistol damage in comparison to normie ragers

which is just like

intuition violating on a lot of levels

[limber silo]

Just imagine your sword is making the armor turn to shrapnel in their sides

[viral solstice]

but once u norm damage at over 100% then u move damage averages up

[spice veldt]

sticking to 100% damage is too hard

[viral solstice]

so this means rending only applies on weird cases

but it gets worse

[spice veldt]

i guess they were afraid of rending being too strong?

[limber silo]

Flak ragers just take more damage in general

[viral solstice]

because if u were shooting ur gun u would expect rending to just help u vs a damage type right

[limber silo]

Cause they count as flak instead of maniacs

[viral solstice]

so if im shooting a maniac with my revolver, i would expect the maniac reduction to be consistent

so i pick up hand-cannon

ive read enough about rending to know im about 70% vs maniacs

so i expect to get 15% more damage on a crit (hand-cannon tier 4: 50% rending on crit)

in fact this changes my crit from 525 to 530

[spice veldt]

...

[viral solstice]

woops, forgot to tell u, crits have built in rending

🙂

[limber silo]

???

[viral solstice]

yes

look at damage tables for any weapon

[limber silo]

You're using the term rending wrong I think

[spice veldt]

i figured that but didn't put it together that would make rending absolutely shit for crits

[viral solstice]

no im using it precisely correctly cos ive read the code

[limber silo]

Rending is a buff applied to yourself

[viral solstice]

no

well

sometimes

but yeah basically theres so many fucking things that fuck with the armour damage reduction calculation

[limber silo]

Penetration is different from rending I thought

[viral solstice]

and rending operates by messing with the armour damage calculation

[spice veldt]

he's using it in the general sense, and rending is the actual name used in code right?

[viral solstice]

well that gets even worse

[spice veldt]

for both brittleness and rending

oh god

i didn't ask anything

[viral solstice]

because theres a thing called rending_damage_calculation

now guess what that doesnt involve

thats right

rending

[spice veldt]

uhhh

[viral solstice]

but yeah basically the goofy thing is that rending is purely this multiplier on a thing that comes out of the armour damage calculation, which is the reduction. rending reduces the reduction. so far so sensible, right?

but most of the time

because they have normed damage over 100%

the armour damage reduction calculation is

wait for it

not a reduction

[olive ember]

Too many words

[viral solstice]

[olive ember]

rending makes you hit armor gooder

and thats enough for me

[spice veldt]

well, at least they fixed rending making you do less damage if your attack dealt >100% damage

[viral solstice]

yeah u know how they did that

[spice veldt]

uhhhh

[viral solstice]

they just clamped it so it cant reduce the bonus any more

[limber silo]

Basically, if I do 100 damage to unarmored and I do 90% damage to a flak enemy, I would do 90 damage right? So if I have 50% rending, that would reduce the damage resistance by 50% so I would do 94/95% damage to flak, right?

[viral solstice]

there rending fixed*

[spice veldt]

woohoo

[limber silo]

Is that not how the code works?

[viral solstice]

yep, except in cases where u have other modifiers, eg literally every single crit

[limber silo]

So rending is better in cases of higher damage resistance

[viral solstice]

yep

[limber silo]

I.e. carapace

[viral solstice]

ye crushers are usually the only target rending is useful against in most cases

[spice veldt]

e.g.,

[viral solstice]

or weapons with awful maniac damage

[limber silo]

How do crits calculate resistance?

[viral solstice]

well

theres a thing called finesse_boost_curve

no stop running come back

[olive ember]

crits just have a flat damage added I thought

[viral solstice]

no

crits do both

armour penetration and damage

[olive ember]

huh

[limber silo]

O

[clear heath]

Maniac is already really unintuitive on its own

[viral solstice]

look at this damage table for a stubber

look at the % bonus u get for critting carapace

[clear heath]

Scab flamers look like they should be flak. They wear full metal armor

but they are maniac

[viral solstice]

this is standard across weapons, broadly weapons that even do zero on carapace

will do some damage on crit

eg the shovel punch

literally zero damage on body or weakspot

18/21 on crit/weakspot crit

[spice veldt]

same with staff bonk

[viral solstice]

indeed

as a wise man once said

fuk dis shit im goin home

[limber silo]

You are truly angry, TinyAngryCrab. It comes across in your typing

[viral solstice]

the fat shark did this to me

he came to my village

and he dumped lua files all over the playground

the children read this code

and it scarred them

[limber silo]

Okay, now tell me where mutie weakspot it

[viral solstice]

face

u juist have to find it

[limber silo]

Why can I get weakspot hits on the top of his back?

[viral solstice]

because ur weapon hitbox is going thru his model

clipping the back of his face hurtbox

and ur attack has head hitbox priority

so u get the hit assigned there

[spice veldt]

huh, that's nice to know

[viral solstice]

we call this the reverse rashad

[limber silo]

So his face goes all the way through to the top of him?

[viral solstice]

head hitboxes are usually quite big but also ur weapon hitbox is probs a lil odd

[spice veldt]

the hitbox of our melee attack goes all the way through his back to his face

[limber silo]

I hit the tube looking things for weakspot and it works

[clear heath]

very long face

[limber silo]

It works most consistently with mk2 Saber for me

My little noodle arms are good against the meatballs

I honestly dislike the saver because of the animation

It's pretty great, but my slashes are so spindly that I feel weak

[olive ember]

but arm hitboxes are bigger

memestrike moment

#commonmemestrikeL

[viral solstice]

[limber silo]

I use the saber w/ surge staff, so it fucks with me regularly

[viral solstice]

but u never need to shoot under like 3m off the ground

so if ur hitting arms thats what we call an issue of the skill variety

[limber silo]

Get dunked on by the crab

[viral solstice]

but here is an example of mutant u can kinda see whats goin on with the shovel

the shovel is a psyker weapon proabbly

[olive ember]

yes

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10NryO0fSMH41x/d1337KGMRBw7?invite=cr-MSx5R3IsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[limber silo]

Also why does the chainsword suck so much? I can't even one shot t5 trash w/o unarmored damage

[olive ember]

it totally is a psyker weapon

[limber silo]

I got a 377 chainsword and it's dogshit

[olive ember]

eh

imo the csword is just a worse fs

its got a better cleave/attack pattern than the FS but

wow

everything else is kinda meh

[limber silo]

Yeah, the rev doesn't stagger unless you do a heavy, the push attack sucks, the light combo is janky, and it doesn't hit good breakpoints

And the heavy is a side swipe if you Rev it, so that sucks for headshots too

[spice veldt]

and it doesn't have head priority

[viral solstice]

the chainsword is weird cos its a crit sword

[limber silo]

I hope there's a new mk for chainsword in the update

[viral solstice]

but also its a special activated weapon

and its like

what u trynna do

am i spamming lights for devstrike or using ur special (which doesnt latch if devstrike procs)

or am i using shred or like

whats ur DEAL bro

[limber silo]

Eviscerator is the reason chainsword sucks, I'm sure of it

They needed to make Evis look God tier, so it's the best chain weapon ever

And made the other dookie

[twilit flicker]

Don't be an evisce-hater

[spice veldt]

too bad the evis also isn't god tier

[limber silo]

Evis is amazing, wdym?

[viral solstice]

eviscerator is a bit struggle bus

[twilit flicker]

Sorry I was just making a terrible joke

[spice veldt]

no power blessings marks it down in my book

[viral solstice]

the fastest kill on 20 stacked poxwalkers anybody could show me - using a low hp zealot with low hp attack speed feats - was like 11 seconds

[limber silo]

Yeah, the lack of power blessings suck, but it doesn't need any damage blessings to hit good breakpoints

[viral solstice]

a force sword without any shit up does that

without that ur looking at like the same horde clear speed as a vet shovel

its actually a bit sad

and the push attack is kind of a bait because 3 target cap etc etc

its just weirdly balanced

[limber silo]

Unfortunately, the duelling saber (assassin weapon btw) has better clear

[viral solstice]

as it should do

[kind jay]

just spam fs push and do nothing else the entire match

[viral solstice]

being an assassin is cool

[limber silo]

They need to work on their weapon classifications

[spice veldt]

does whether an attack is a assassination/relentless/strikedown have any hidden effects beyond being a vague indication of the attack's properties?

[limber silo]

I believe assassin strike do increased weakspot damage

[kind jay]

thats a good question. i thought it was just an indicator of swing type but we got some real spaget code here

[limber silo]

But it think that's indicated in the damage tables

[stable silo]

Just play duel sword tell the heretics to respect the 1 v 1 all match

[spice veldt]

the weakspot damage so far is dictated by the finesse stat for both the lights and heavies last time I checked

[olive ember]

what ironic about the statement is that in a 1 vs 1 you wouldn't want the dueling sword kek

[spice veldt]

heavies and lights have the same weakspot multiplier from bodyshot to weakspot damage that's the same as what is reported on the finesse stat

[clear heath]

Aren't all 3 of force sword lights assassin?

[kind jay]

yeah

[clear heath]

None of those attacks are remotely similar to eachother lol

[limber silo]

Yeah 1v1 duelling sword takes forever just to kill one idiot in flak

[olive ember]

I mean the only standout light for FS is the third one

[clear heath]

light 3 does like double the damage

[olive ember]

its got like zero cleave but it does about the same damage as a heavy

[limber silo]

Hence why I weave it into the combo most of the time

[olive ember]

it also follows from a heavy two

[stable silo]

@limber silo thats why u pull a Indiana jones and move on

[olive ember]

so single target you could do heavy - heavy and then finish with the third light if wte still isn't dead

[limber silo]

Sorry, im a real psyker. I don't use the handcannon

[olive ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11yakxy/tips_for_damnation_psyker/

handcannon is best wym

[limber silo]

Yeah I saw your troll post bud

[olive ember]

wait

[limber silo]

Pretty great

[olive ember]

XD

I was like huh wait i recognize the name

[limber silo]

Some redditards seething in there

[olive ember]

I mean

I have actually brought the funny build into damnation

so

[limber silo]

Yeah I think we're talking in multiple places at once

[olive ember]

maybe they were right kek

[limber silo]

Lol

Well cannon is pretty good, so

Devil's Claw hurts to see tho

I hate that thing so much

[olive ember]

its

something

XD

[limber silo]

Yeah, trash certainly is something

I guess not every weapon can be good

[olive ember]

XD

I mean

[limber silo]

I should make a post like "BLOODTHIRSTER BLAZING SPIRIT IS OP BETTER THAN PURGE,"

See how that does

[viral solstice]

it literally is though

factual and based (true)

[limber silo]

Ik I get so many WC from it

I basically don't need a staff

[viral solstice]

but more importantly

purgatus is just a crappy flamer

whereas bloodthirsty blazing spirit force sword is a cool fire sword

[limber silo]

I actually have to debate that

[viral solstice]

[olive ember]

🤔

kek

I mean

[viral solstice]

and u cant get a cool fire sword

anwyehre else

[limber silo]

Purge has better draw time, no reload, no ammo

[olive ember]

you could try a Blazing spirit + warp nexus uncharged spam voidstrike

[viral solstice]

yes but when ur going

SWWSHHH

and spraying fire

[limber silo]

Flamer does better damage

[viral solstice]

one of those 2 is doin the big melt

[limber silo]

Yeah I agree

[viral solstice]

psyker oppression means u dont even get to press f

[limber silo]

But purge I can whip out and use

[viral solstice]

to kill crushers randomly

while spraying ur goo

[limber silo]

I have to dedicate the next 2-3 business days to drawing a flamer out

[viral solstice]

well

u shouldnt

because u should never use the flamer

its Fucked up and Lame

unlike the cool guns

[olive ember]

its getting nerfed anyways

[limber silo]

But you said flamer is "better"

[olive ember]

flamer is getting "reworked" because its overtuned according to dev team

[viral solstice]

yes for nerds who care about weapons being effective

[olive ember]

and we all know with fatshark balancing

what "reworked" actually mean

[viral solstice]

purgatus is just disappointing because its just a diet version of a boring op weapon and its just like

[limber silo]

"This time we're buffing Vet again. Everytime a vet charges their power sword, a psyker gains 20 peril."

[viral solstice]

tbh

thats sick

random suicides

INTERACTIVE GAMEPLAY

but its only in coherency

so u have to avoid the vet

all game

[olive ember]

I'm half expecting the other unannounced weapons to go to Vet

[viral solstice]

or he randomly kills u

[olive ember]

and thats why they didn't announce em XD

[limber silo]

I do gotta say, watching baby psykers learn to play is hilarious

[olive ember]

I play like a baby psyker when I'm using staffs I don't normally use

just blowing up randomly

[limber silo]

Saw one explode 3 or 4 times in 1 mission

Clearly a low roll trauma staff mixed with noob knowledge

[viral solstice]

pfft i can blow up way more than that using expert knowledge

they gotta step it up

[olive ember]

oh yeah since you were talking about it

[spice veldt]

or psykers just dying in melee against commons

[olive ember]

The three weapons I run on my build kek

[limber silo]

Wtf is that sword

[olive ember]

its a work of art

[limber silo]

Gimme a moment to gouge out my eyes

Okay back.

They didn't work anyways

[limber silo]

Ngl, I still do that sometimes

I forget to do the SPIN OF SAFETY (tm) with fire staff

[near wyvern]

What's the stack cap on skullcrusher?

[olive ember]

legit no fucking clue lmao

all I can say is holy shit the time to kill is awful

[limber silo]

They stack until they die. So hopefully not too high

[olive ember]

wait

that isn't the claw sword I run

sorry

this is the one I run mb mb

[limber silo]

That one... is worse

[near wyvern]

@olive ember go to psyke and solo a crusher without BB with that

[limber silo]

Absolute heresy here

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10DzoSG95pSJUv/d13379OWDzLK?invite=cr-MSxEUkMsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

loop this

[wide tiger]

rending to me seems largely bad for any weapons with high pen values

im late to the party cause im in a meeting that never ends

[near wyvern]

TBF claw needs just a bit more infested, flak and min cleave damage

[viral solstice]

i mean

[olive ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlPtaPxXfc

[viral solstice]

yes rending literally does nothing whenever ur over 100%

[limber silo]

Claw needs better crowd clear, and move all overheads to the heavy combo

[limber silo]

Lol, at work rn. Slow af today

[olive ember]

@near wyvern https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11yakxy/tips_for_damnation_psyker/

tips plox

[near wyvern]

Damn the gif doesn't play. Was an old lady saying it's been 84 years

[feral verge]

tips: play better. get hit less. do more damage

[viral solstice]

it played for me i saw both

she was old and also waiting for the crushers to die

[olive ember]

played for me too yea

[olive ember]

[near wyvern]

I assume this is a bait

[agile ferry]

Yep, he baited them good.

[olive ember]

this is a very legitimate post

asking for the best tips from reddit

[limber silo]

@olive ember Give us a true solo psyker damnation run, no perks, no blessings, no feats, Devil Claw only

[olive ember]

I mean I could've used a legit build

thats my legit gunpsyker build XD

[agile ferry]

Better troll than darktideexpert.

[olive ember]

the axe is bad tho

fucking hadron ruined my axe

[limber silo]

That's not terrible

It's just not perfect

[late yew]

For Warp Unleashed only force sword is considered force weapon?

[limber silo]

Only melee yes

[spice veldt]

all force weapons

[limber silo]

Staves count too

[spice veldt]

normal attacks on force swords also count

[olive ember]

It just doesn't rly matter for staves save like voidstrike and trauma

[near wyvern]

As legitimate as devil's claw, I give you that

[olive ember]

sadly I'm not masochistic, please ask #zealot-class

oh or @viral solstice

[stable silo]

@limber silo the true meta isn't just talking on multiple platforms at the same time, it's also making multiple accounts on those platforms as well. Who knows maybe everyone you're talking to is one person.

[near wyvern]

I dunno, no prison clothes so not legit

[viral solstice]

thats easy

[limber silo]

Warp Unleashed is bad, wait until it gets buffs maybe

[viral solstice]

u just devil claw em

[limber silo]

Give em the ole' Claw

[viral solstice]

once u know the cancel its kind of fun just messing around with the block parry stuff

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10EJcKO8JexhGG/d1337V4rRbVn?invite=cr-MSxoTXUsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[spice veldt]

i like warp unleashed for hitting the 2-shot breakpoint for mutants with light-specials on a +maniac force sword

[olive ember]

its got two use cases, 1) It buffs FS damage in general, so good for making FS hordeclear better, and hitting breakpoints on special. Its good for hitting voidstrike one shot breakpoints more easily on like half charges n shit

[viral solstice]

but it requires more brain than the reward

[limber silo]

Also how do you know I'm not every psyker in this chat?

[stable silo]

Does warp unleashed buff force sword lights and heavies ?

Who knows maybe your me

[spice veldt]

and it'll push the FS to over 75 minimum cleave damage at sufficient peril to kill poxwalkers in 4 hits with minimum cleave damage

[olive ember]

looks cool until you realize in a normal game more enemies are spawning in and you are just running down the special spawn timer kek

[spice veldt]

ye, it does

[late yew]

so is that talent worth using? The warp resistance seemed useless

[olive ember]

ehhh

depends on the staff

[spice veldt]

inner tranquility is pretty good

[olive ember]

On something like surge or purge no

[limber silo]

Except that your peril goes down when you proc battle meditation

[stable silo]

Dang didnt know that for some reason i thought it was just for the special and the staves

[olive ember]

on something like voidstrike yes especially with peril trasnfer

[limber silo]

So horde clearing will just make warp unleashed disappear

[olive ember]

well you still have the flat 10% dmg buff

at 0 peril

which isn't insignificant

[spice veldt]

it's still +10% at 0% peril, so it's not reduced to ashes

[stable silo]

For my blazing sprit void build i run inner tranq for more spam cause gota set fires

[limber silo]

Oh didn't know that

[olive ember]

and unlike all the OTHER peril scaling blessings this shit actually scales

normally

[spice veldt]

yeah, it scales from 10% to 25%

[olive ember]

like its 0.1 + like 0.015*peril

or wte the fuck the actual number is

[limber silo]

I thought it was 10-25% at intervals like Nexus

[olive ember]

no if it was it would be fucking trash

[spice veldt]

the one time where you can be optimistic

[limber silo]

That's why I thought it was trash

[olive ember]

its the one peril blessing that actually scales like a sane human would assume it scales

[spice veldt]

and you can also be depressed at why they didn't use the same scaling for nexus and unstable power

[limber silo]

What is the scaling for unstable power?

And warp unleashed while your at it?

[spice veldt]

same as nexus--you get a stack at 30%/50%/97%/97%

[olive ember]

10/10 ik

amazing

[spice veldt]

warp unleashed is 0.1 + 0.15*peril%

[olive ember]

basically anything on psyker with peril based stacks is broken

warp unleashed technically isn't stack based

[limber silo]

That's a much simpler equation than I expected

[olive ember]

for once yea

[spice veldt]

yeah it scales linearly like a normal human would assume

which is quite nice

[olive ember]

oh yeah for the stack BS

did you know they have an overarching general character peril stack thing?

[limber silo]

I think Warp Nexus would be better if it was 20 40 60 80

[olive ember]

and it works normally there

but then when they specifically made the class for psyker, they overwrote the stack count

to be 30/50/97/97 😄

I'm p sure the general stack count is 30/50/70/97, which is still dumb AF whats the point of the final stack being at fucking 97 peril

but well

[limber silo]

So EVERY class can hypothetically gain peril, but they intentionally made psyker retarded?

[olive ember]

beggars can't be choosers

the working theory is that they just performed an oopsy when they copy n pasted code

and didn't notice

but yeah Vet plasma gun uses the same mech

idk if it has any stacked based blessings based on heat

[limber silo]

I was just gonna ask about plasma gun

[olive ember]

but if it did then they work properly

[limber silo]

So plasma gun is just a disguised peril?

[olive ember]

my understanding is yes

someone can correct me if I'm wrong

[limber silo]

Veteran was affected by the Great Awakening (REAL)

[spice veldt]

I know that plasma gun has a crit chance blessing based on heat

[limber silo]

It makes sense considering the bug w/ plasma gun and going out with a bang penance

[leaden thunder]

thats how i got it

[limber silo]

Vet is secretly a psyker

All their warp energy is spent on forcing FS to buff them again

[olive ember]

they also didn't nerf vet plasma explosion damage right iirc

[summer prairie]

The third threshold was 90 initially but was changed to stop psykers from exploding

[viral solstice]

which is insane

[olive ember]

makes it legit easier to get out with a bang as vet

[viral solstice]

because exploding rules

when u think about it

[olive ember]

its both easier to overload and more damage when you explode

on vet

[spice veldt]

so they just changed the value of the threshold rather than changing which threshold the suicide anim triggers for BB?

dafuq

[olive ember]

was that the reason why? People just said it was a copy paste bug

also on pre order beta launch the threshold was 85-87 iirc

it was some jank af numbers

to explode as psyker

[viral solstice]

i mean they doubled the number so both things are 0.97

[summer prairie]

Well I'm speculating to an extent but it went from 90 to 97 around that time

[viral solstice]

but its a goofy system because the real issue is that the things that query peril quantity

dont nede to use the stages

they can just ask the peril extension for the peril value

and do what they want with it

the blessing code literally switches on the stages

its entirely self-inflicted

[spice veldt]

das true

[viral solstice]

"we will connect these two things by an abstraction"

"why?"

[near wyvern]

And so did the last stack of nexus

[viral solstice]

"idk man thats programming and shit"

[spice veldt]

well I guess it standardizes values

wait

nvm

i read wrong

[olive ember]

wasn't the whole thing "unintended" and considered a "bugfix" instead of a rework

the whole psyker rework

from pre patch 1

[late yew]

IS wrack and ruin good?

[leaden thunder]

many people say no, some people say yes

I personally don't know

I think it seems decent once you are past being able to one shot elites with bb

[lethal folio]

It is a perfectly fine choice on that tier.

[wide tiger]

me too, i think its great when you run kinetic barrage

i only use it on gun psyker, personally, but still perfectly fine

[summer prairie]

It's certainly a more fun choice

[leaden thunder]

if my psyker didn't make me sad to play i'd test it

[wide tiger]

nothing to write home about, some extra aoe on BB

[lethal folio]

I've done a couple brain burst only runs, it holds up.

[summer prairie]

4x psyker BB only with wrack + KO + AB, not even bad

[late yew]

lol

DOes trauma have any advantage over void?

[lethal folio]

Yes.

[late yew]

Elaborate

[lethal folio]

Voidstrike shines when things are lined up, trauma can handle wide groups. Trauma can create space even when sandwiched by elites.

[late yew]

You can aim with void at floor though

[leaden thunder]

the void aoe blast does very little damage

truama also fucks up armor

[late yew]

They both seem to do good armor damage?

Void actually does more

[leaden thunder]

shouldn't

truma does like

380 to a scab (flak armored) rager

[spice veldt]

void has higher base damage than trauma (on the RMBs)

[leaden thunder]

void does 250 and stops on them I believe

[spice veldt]

yeah, void has 6 cleave on a full charge

[leaden thunder]

truama can also kill bulwarks and crushers rather well

while I don't think void can

[twilit badger]

Void can kill crusher alright

[spice veldt]

void deals full damage to crushers i think?

[twilit badger]

But can't do shit against bulwarks yes

[summer prairie]

all or nothing is pretty good with void just to cleave one additional poxwalker

Presumably

[spice veldt]

here's an example of trauma being very useful https://streamable.com/vw3at6

if they ever add more claustrophobic maps (like Hab Dreyko) or more scanning sections (like Hab Dreyko), Trauma would shine especially well

[twilit badger]

FS really need to look into these "increases x amount of power based on current peril" blessings

[late yew]

Warp absorbtion is the best one on 5 right?

[twilit badger]

Only 2 stacks even at 97% peril

[spice veldt]

not necessarily

on higher difficulties, you might not be killing more than you are losing toughness

[twilit badger]

And then when you hit like 99% then now 4 stacks

[spice veldt]

warp absorption is for when you can DPS check enemies

[olive ember]

patch tmrw yea

[olive ember]

I'm sry but that health and toughness UI

[spice veldt]

wats wrong with it huh

say it to my face

[olive ember]

why you have your health and toughness text to your peril meter lmao

[spice veldt]

to keep watch over them as I poke ranged enemies

the milleseconds where my eye tracks around matter imo

[viral solstice]

i put my peril meter off to the side

so im not distracted by it when im trying to blwo up

ideally u should never look at peril

and have all the peril effects disabled

so when u splode its a nice surprise

[wide tiger]

patch tmrw woo

[wide tiger]

I only know when im critical peril when my hands start writhing and my screen gets all shaky

and even then sometimes i just explode for efficient peril dump

Wounds are a resource

[spice veldt]

i don't like being a ghost so i try to keep watch of my peril (most of the time)

[viral solstice]

my psyker buff is scale explosion damage by wound count

the more wounds the less damage

but massively buff base damage

so a 2 wound chad blowing himself up destroys a city block

he gave it his all

and when ur exploding

if u press and hold ur ult

u use all ur wounds at once

for a nuclear bomb

thank u for ur sacrifice

[spice veldt]

change Quicken to propel you like a rocket and explode yourself on whatever you hit

[viral solstice]

imagine if quicken gave u 5 seconds of extra move and attack speed

u just snort ur warp charges

[spice veldt]

zealot :D

well that's moreso ogryn

[viral solstice]

yes but this is better

because its both

wait heres the satanic twist

its 20% gun rate of fire and damage

the gun psykers are being encouraged

[spice veldt]

no

[viral solstice]

YEEEES

and 20% bonus infernus proc chance

just to really twist the knife

[spice veldt]

the opinions of crabs don't matter anyways

oh, something like risk of rain's clover

increasing the generic rate of "chance to occur" effects across the board

[viral solstice]

yes but specifically infernus

u know why

[spice veldt]

no

i also don't need to know why

[viral solstice]

quite right

[lethal folio]

Triple dot psyker

[viral solstice]

u just need to do

trauma staff aoe bleed when

call it "internal bleeding"

bam

done

[spice veldt]

hemmorapheoanfehe

[unborn drift]

Bless you

[spice veldt]

thank you

[void mural]

Yes... more useless dots!

[viral solstice]

but think about it

what happens if u have 3 useless dots

exactly

ur triple useless which is actually hella cool

[wide tiger]

they combine to create the triforce dot

wait for it

it CC's!

[viral solstice]

the trot

[spice veldt]

maybe they'll make burn stop bleeding

[viral solstice]

nono theyll make bleed cause all the bleed damage left to happen instantly

powerflu

[spice veldt]

that sounds interesting so no

[blissful cedar]

does staff blessing shared across all 4 types?

[leaden thunder]

no

[blissful cedar]

so if I pull warp flurry on voidstrike, I can't apply it on trauma?

[leaden thunder]

right

[spice veldt]

unfortunately not

[blissful cedar]

damn, aight

[olive ember]

what you thought psyker were like all those other classes?

who could swap blessings as long as they were the same weapon type?

wrong!

we are special

[twilit flicker]

I would love if quicken and mind in motion could buff gun psykers and melee.

Say Quicken gives faster reload speed and melee swing speed by 10 to 15% for 8 to 12 seconds.

[spice veldt]

i dream of Quicken buffing psyker melee

so that I can take off the god-forsaken kinetic barrage

next patch quicken buff pl0x

[wide tiger]

neat idea

[clear heath]

mind in motion should buff all quell speed

give people back their fast passive quell if they really want it

[weak sapphire]

Shred or exorcist on my forcesword? Got deflector already

[summer prairie]

Buff movement while charging anything

[spice veldt]

not great options; i'd probably pick exorcist out of the two

[weak sapphire]

ty, I got a 509 rating sword with those deflector and exorcist then. Decent?

[olive ember]

i mean depends on stats but assuming its a high stat weapon

replace exorcist

and yeah

[clear heath]

I'd give up a lot of stats just to have slaughterer tbh

[olive ember]

oh

between teh two

um

I'd replace exorcist with slaughterer

[weak sapphire]

I can only rebless once right?

[olive ember]

if you have a shred/exorcist FS yeah swap exorcist for slaughterer imo

ye

[weak sapphire]

So maybe I should wait for a nicer blessing to add

[clear heath]

if you have a slightly shittier sword but it can have slaughterer, i'd rather use that

[olive ember]

well you can only rebless on trait

the other one gets locked but you can keep changing the one slot

[clear heath]

o

yeah just replace shred

deflector will get locked and you can replace the shred slot as much as you want

[weak sapphire]

Ok Ill try to find a better blessing then

[clear heath]

You can replace the blessing now if you want

[olive ember]

yeah replace shred with slaughterer IV and you basically got a god roll FS

could replace unyielding with maniac instead

[weak sapphire]

what is maniac?

Those ragers?

[olive ember]

mutant, ragers, trappers, flamers

[clear heath]

dreg rager, flamers, mutants, trappers

[weak sapphire]

Thanks

[olive ember]

unyielding is the ogryns

not sure if it applies to crushers

[clear heath]

unyielding is the fleshy parts of ogryn

crushers are pure carapace

[weak sapphire]

Great, got 20% maniac now

now I just need to find a nice blessing

ty

[olive ember]

slaughterer is BiS

cuz power is damage, cleave, and stagger

[weak sapphire]

Regarding blessings. I see they have different ranks. Some have III or IV etc. Are they always locked to one kind of rank or: Can slaughterer come in ranks from 1-4?

[olive ember]

slaughterer comes in ranks 1-4

[spice veldt]

bloodthirsty is t4 only for example

[weak sapphire]

Ok

[olive ember]

so slaughterer 1 is 7.5%, slaughterer 2 is 10%, slaughterer 3 is 12.5%. slaughterer 4 is 15% power

[weak sapphire]

Nice

[olive ember]

so yeah get a slaughterer 3 or 4 and you good

[weak sapphire]

Im using the which mission mod. And it says I only need 2 more damnation missions, assassination and repair.. for what. A penance?

Sorry for not psyker related question

[spice veldt]

presumably that's for the "complete missions of every type" penance

lemme check my penances

this penance methinks

[weak sapphire]

Thanks 🙂

[solid cipher]

I'm hoping the new update can make dueling swords a bit better. (I just love how they look and play.) I've been trying to build horde clears on all dueling swords but none of them stand up to an MK V axe with brutal momentum. Even with rampage, shred, and more damage to infested it just takes too long to kill trash mobs. I miss my saltzpire crowd shred.....

[shut ether]

Dueling swords aren't really meant for cleave though being a dueling sword.

[solid cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-zealot-waiting-gif-25557244

True....I need to just grab an axe.

[hoary hearth]

Thoughts on the blessings? Which one should I upgrade to t4?

[magic burrow]

responsible psykers don't let fellow psykers snort warp charges

[shut ether]

Of course Sibling Yes-yes. No Snort-wheeze warp stuff

Wouldn't it be good to replace Shred with something better?

Most things will die to a weakspot hit unless you're slapping carapace/maniac. ALthough I haven't ran Dueling since I discovered the church of Antaxe.

[late yew]

So lasgun has better damage, but laspistol has better ammo efficiency?

[olive ember]

las pistol requires you to hit heads and has funny crit but

generally the mk 12 still performs better imo

[viral solstice]

mk XII is boring and with laspistol u can run fast and slide

so its better

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pinguman-surprise-pinguman-mikefoster-surprise-monke-surprised-gif-25977149

[near wyvern]

So either we get the content drop tomorrow or we gonna have a full day with no shops.

[wet jacinth]

Neither

[olive ember]

They said the patch was tmrw

atleast

thats what was said in zealot chat

[near wyvern]

Well it either is tomorrow or we have no shops.

Armoury exchange closes tomorrow 7:55 UTC and comes back online when the update drops.

[gilded viper]

my psyker brain is dumb, does that mean update tomorrow?

[near wyvern]

Not necessarily, it means if there is no update tomorrow we have no shops. That's what it means. We will probably get the update tomorrow, it kinda implies it, but it is not explicitly stated.

[gilded viper]

[wide tiger]

well

yes

[gilded viper]

time to get back on the game and farm more plasteel then

have 5k but i don't think that enough for a decent FS (ready to hate the weapon and waste my time not farming my zealot)

[spice veldt]

i'll shank anyone with the deimos who dares to badmouth it

[gilded viper]

im sorry

[spice veldt]

:(

at least blessings are transferable (i hope)

[feral verge]

I have 30k plasteel saved

[spice veldt]

slap on slaughterer and call it a day for the most part

[gilded viper]

maybe im going into it with a bias view on it (in a bad way) since i don't really like the current FS, then again i play gun psyker and gun + FS seem like a hard combo since it basically = no horde clearing

[wide tiger]

they are both MKII so it worries me a bit

[spice veldt]

FS' hordeclear isn't too bad

[gilded viper]

maybe im just bad then

[spice veldt]

t3 slaughterer at max stacks means that heavies cleave 10 poxwalkers

[gilded viper]

[spice veldt]

and you're doing at minimum 66 damage to them

[late yew]

i thought you meant "I don't like current Fatshark" :d

[spice veldt]

with 80/80/80 stats

[gilded viper]

i didn't had slaughterer when i used it, last time i use FS was when i got deflector and that it since it was purple and was like fuck it deflector is what people say is worth with the sword

[wide tiger]

I still think deflector is a trap but w/e

[steel egret]

[wide tiger]

slide + unlimited dodge all you need

[spice veldt]

it's a bit of a trap though you can nevertheless use it to make aggressive plays without getting punished

[gilded viper]

i fell into the whole "deflector or nothing"

[spice veldt]

that's how I played with Deflector before I got bloodthirsty

literally just ran into groups of shooters and if I saw any shotgunners, I ran away scot free

[gilded viper]

never used the FS instill i got it outside of leveling ofcouse and wasn't happy with it, maybe i just need more time with the FS with actually good blessing

[shut ether]

I just think the current Force Sword has a shit attack pattern. Also Deflector doesn't do anything that sliding and dodging can't

Postion better and you can put an actually useful blessing on your sword. IN MY OPINION

[spice veldt]

light->heavy seems like a fine attack pattern to me

same as an MK4 devil claw

just that you have to cancel after the heavy to reset back to the 1st light with a block or weapon swap

[gilded viper]

what blessing to get on FS?

[spice veldt]

slaughterer is a must have if you want to use it for hordeclear

bloodthirsty for the 2nd blessing if you're lucky enough to get it

unstable power if you want an offensive blessing but you're not skilled enough to get bloodthirsty

wish I had cleaner footage of FS hordeclear where I didn't get thrown by a mutant two times

[gilded viper]

good enough KEKW

[olive ember]

stop the cope

new FS gonna be trassshhhhh

[spice veldt]

care to tell me your address so that I may mail a gift?

FS needs a decent amount of damage/finesse/first target to hit certain breakpoints

a 60/60/60 FS I was using felt particularly bad compared to the 75/79/80 FS that I now have

[gilded viper]

ok i get wym with how the mk4 claw work, just need to get the blocking into memory

do i ever go for deflector or nah?

[spice veldt]

if you think it'll fit you or you think the other blessings you have are meh

since I personally think that Bloodthirsty is the only other blessing besides slaughterer and deflector worth having

so if you're not an insane person who poured all of their materials into force swords, deflector is a fine option

[void mural]

You're also only considering a max of the max FS. At low stats, FS is pretty shit, especially for horde clear. A lot of what you're basing that opinion on is also basically just using it as a stat stick for slaughterer, because I don't have any slaughterer blessing, and I don't get nearly that amount of cleave with FS.

[spice veldt]

that's true

it requires slaughterer to be up to par with the other options

but that's the same as the CAxes/TAxes where you need BruMo for any hordeclear

[void mural]

Yeah, axes and FS are REALLY propped up on those 2 blessings

[stable silo]

Antax feels really bad without brut i didnt understand all the fuss when i tried it

[void mural]

I straight up wouldn't play with axes if BM didn't exist

[gilded viper]

^

[stable silo]

Im likin duel swords atm for flailing uselessly in front of me dodging away then killing everything with my shredder

[void mural]

I hear they're the best mobility melee weapon

[gilded viper]

eh might work

rip finesse

[spice veldt]

that finesse

weakspot/crit multiplier on finesse scales from 1.5 to 2.5 btw

only really matters for the first target, but it does matter for racking up some kills to proc slaughterer

and attack speed too

[stable silo]

@void mural totally great mobility but feels like your just waving a little bendy metal stick around its not as nice feeling to use as the chunkier weapons

[near wyvern]

It will if you roll specialist into +infested

But slow as what

[void mural]

That's about what I felt. I tried one a while back, went "this does dick all dmg", and put it away. Learned it's got great mobility later on, but I don't feel like that's worth the weapon being shit

[gilded viper]

ok slaguter so good wtf

feel like im using a whole diff FS

[void mural]

Yeah, there's probably about 6 blessings in the game that just completely overshadow all others

And then there's also a group of absolutely useless blessing as well (a lot of the ogryn ones, unfortunately)

[gilded viper]

i see

[void mural]

5% power based off of stamina... LOL

[gilded viper]

i really thought it was per bar

i stacked +9 stamina for that

[void mural]

It's literal trash. It does nothing besides take up a slot that literally any other blessing could have used

[spice veldt]

smh imagine thinking in an intuitive way

[sharp ibex]

You boys ready for another nerf tomorrow

[spice veldt]

just like how stacking stamina makes veteran's deadshot worse because your stamina regenerates slower relatively

[sharp ibex]

I hear brain burst is getting a 30 second cooldown and causes 100% peril

[void mural]

Nah, wasn't it a 30 second cast time?

[sharp ibex]

Maybe both

Hopefully

[urban wedge]

Equinox MK III Trauma Force Staff I remember this one being bad in the beta did it get like secretly buffed or something

[sharp ibex]

Psykers too powerful

[spice veldt]

your BB can only finish its cast when your teammate does the finishing blow on the enemy

i'm not sure about the beta, but immediately post-launch, it had around 47% peril generation at 80% warp res for a full charge

but a while back, they did fix it by making the peril generation more reasonable

at 80% warp res, it now generates 24.45% or something peril

other than that, nothing else has changed about the trauma staff

[gilded viper]

no lie that suck but make sense, basically the most free skill in the game

[spice veldt]

here's footage of a slaughterer force sword at work, and at the end you'll see me one-shot a mutant with a light-special because of slaughterer https://streamable.com/hae5fn

for comparison's sake, an Obscurus has this cleave distribution on its heavies with max T3 slaughterer stacks

and Antax lights has this cleave distribution on its lights with max T3 Decimator stacks

[ornate hamlet]

Randoms when the other random can push

[wide tiger]

I can almost oneshot a mutant with slaughterer 4 and no + maniac damage

if my fs was better

[spice veldt]

yeah I have +maniac on my FS

i love it for dreg ragers

[ornate hamlet]

Oh, I love randoms sometimes

[spice veldt]

my two other teammates kept on dying in melee

since this was excise vault with infinite trickling spawns

[leaden thunder]

hate that part

trickle spawns are the worst

[spice veldt]

we managed to beat it though

[idle bay]

trickling spawns are the most evil design of FatShark

[spice veldt]

i fucking hate how pre-spawned hordes always trickle in some enemies for a solid minute before stopping whenever you alert them

[leaden thunder]

oh god

it's so bad

give me all of them at once

[idle bay]

Never ! Or Ogryns will get "gone bowling" penance way too easy

[leaden thunder]

[near wyvern]

Peril cost almost halved in exchange for bugged Bulwark interaction

[idle bay]

And player can't have easy penances - we don't do that here 🙂

[spice veldt]

trauma staff was working properly against bulwarks before the peril fix?

[lethal folio]

They can still block the explosion

[near wyvern]

Yes

[spice veldt]

oh my god

[idle bay]

I have an idea about why both shops are going down.
Double amount of Devil''s Claws for human-sized operatives, and double amount of Slab Shields for Ogryns

[wide tiger]

Finally!

[gilded viper]

was checking the heavy attack stats and isn't this kinda low for a heavy attack?

[gilded viper]

[spice veldt]

they're a bit low and carried by weakspot dmg

not that I use other melee weapons to know them well enough to use them as comparison

[gilded viper]

true

[spice veldt]

fairly easy to hit headshots with the FS as long as you avoid the 2nd light though

[gilded viper]

most claw im checking have better heavy damage but i guess they don't have slaugther so 🤷‍♂️

surprise how easy it is to HS on this weapon

[spice veldt]

the heavies on claws also come out slower

[viral solstice]

also have more cleave falloff

[spice veldt]

cleave distribution of a devil claw sweeping heavy (7.5 cleave)

compared to force sword's heavy (6 cleave)

[viral solstice]

and hitting a first hit weakspot is super easy which makes up all the damage on 3 targets, then ur just winning

[spice veldt]

and you're not locked out from your block for as long on the force sword when doing a heavy

the other advantage of slaughterer is the fact that power buffs boost the stagger strength of your pushes, meaning that you can push commons away from melee elites to isolate them (sometimes)

but I usually whip out the trauma staff to set up kills for the force sword special

[gilded viper]

didn't knew that

[viral solstice]

i mean more significantly the best buff u can get on devil claw is 40% damage from rampage and 200% cleave from sweeping but just slaughterer by itself is 75% damage and 75% cleave

[viral solstice]

if u stack up headtaker and run punishment on zealot

u can literally shield break 10 bulwarks

[gilded viper]

sheesh

[spice veldt]

smh force sword needs to push-attack a bulwark from the front 2-3 times to guardbreak them

force sword buffs when pls

actually I've never tried that with slaughterer stacks active

hmm

time for testing

[gilded viper]

when psyker get it 20th nerf tomorrow

[viral solstice]

i mean u could push to break it

or u could just do a backflip

[spice veldt]

smh even with max t3 slaughterer stacks, I need three push-attacks to guardbreak a bulwark from the front

guess I'll have to settle for guardbreaking from the sides

[viral solstice]

just brainburst and one shot with ur rashad like a normal meta slave

[spice veldt]

:(

[long wharf]

Shops are closed, huh?

Wonder if that means they're getting an overhaul with the upcoming patch

Or that there are backend changes being made beyond number changes in a config file

[viral solstice]

theyre replacing the bad items with good ones

so they have to take all the bad ones out the back of the machine and throw them away

and pack the good ones in

takes a long time

[gilded viper]

they replacing their dealer

[kind jay]

Sire Milk went bad and is being replaced by Sire Nerr Gol huh that's odd

resume checks out tho

[west galleon]

Breast Melk

[twilit flicker]

Goat Melk

[gilded viper]

This patch is coming out earlier than I thought. Unless the store plans to be down for several days

[sterile vale]

Catfish said tomorrow

[wet jacinth]

Sienna 4th

Tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-drink-stare-gif-15410130

[west galleon]

No... its the 23rd tomorrow...

[gilded viper]

i hate how poxbuster is programmed in this game

total cucked if your teammate shot it once even with full power psyker ult

[worthy wedge]

Agreed. It's also pretty annoying to deal with more than one at a time as a psyker.

[west galleon]

I like to wait until i see that someone tries to shove them and then i BB them

Fukem

[viral solstice]

u wanna know what deals with multiple poxbursters amazingly

thats right its the best cc staff in the game

voidstrike

[west galleon]

Signed

[viral solstice]

not even slightly joking

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/YXxjMNvHf-xhe/d1337VJbgcps?invite=cr-MSxoRlosMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[west galleon]

A dude who says the truth

[viral solstice]

u can actually start charging it

as they jump

and still knock them awayg lo

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/YXxAvRGp08EOm/d1337dsmzMlp?invite=cr-MSxSdGwsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[gilded viper]

surge still my favorite against pox buster

the most constant weapon vs them ngl

[west galleon]

The only surge staff i got has 53% dmg

That thing sucks but the cc is nice

[gilded viper]

it suck most of the time anyways unless u run into scab from my experience

[shut ether]

Void also knocks poxbursters on their ass

can even interrupt their jump safely

[spice veldt]

only trauma can do this so checkmate https://streamable.com/dto319

[long wharf]

only a mod can do that

funny though

[spice veldt]

with the power of sedition difficulty and HP curios, I'm sure you could tank a couple poxbursters

[viral solstice]

u can do it on damnation if ur skilled enough at not dying (the trick is to stop ur hp hitting zero )

if u just do that u will have no problem

[spice veldt]

makes sense

never thought about that

[viral solstice]

a lot of ppl focus on the wrong stuff

[west galleon]

That's an intelligent move, with the hp

[tropic lagoon]

so we're likkely getting the new force sword tomorrow?

[kind jay]

yep

[wide tiger]

Time to ruin another force sword:

its actually not that bad

I can put bloodthirsty on it if i ever get it

[gilded viper]

What do blood thrisy do

Never seen it

[wide tiger]

you and me both

So if theres 11 t3 blessings and 11 t4 blessings, and bloodthirsty is t4, what blessing doesnt exist as t4 from t3? Blazing spirit?

[gilded viper]

No lie idk how I feel about that blessing, feel so werid using that on chain sword

Or maybe since I don't use the special on everything outside of mutant and flamer

[safe crystal]

Its worse on the chain weapons, although it is probably the one thing Obese Megalodon will 'fix' to nerf us

For chains, its only one attack afterwards, for FS, its 5 seconds

[kind jay]

you proc it once and the next 5 seconds you get to just sorta one shot everything

[gilded viper]

Bruh

5 sec wtf

I hate tool tips in this game man, now that actually sound good

[kind jay]

5 seconds of 100% crit on all attacks

[safe crystal]

It'll be 'fixed' tomorrow, so dont worry

:>

[kind jay]

including the special again

[gilded viper]

[spice veldt]

I'll shit my pants if it gets nerfed

[kind jay]

in terms of strength

4 stacks + blood + full slaughter lets me almost one shot crushers on t5

[gilded viper]

Guess it a t4 blessing for a reason

[kind jay]

and im not using carapace

[safe crystal]

I actually have bloodthirsty

But its on a goddamn chain axe

[gilded viper]

Does axe not work like chain sword?

[safe crystal]

It gets the only one attack treatment

And i dont generally like it

[gilded viper]

[wide tiger]

all chain weapons get 1 crit after bloodthirsty

fs is special

[lament sonnet]

Wait how were they changing milk's shop again? I find it weird he's exclusively being closed off

[river sand]

nah armoury is closing tomorrow morning too

i have slight hopes for good stuff coming

i feel it in my balls that we get something like beam staff

[shut ether]

Melk is being taken out back and shot. They will bring in his replacement called "Milk" and it will be just as bad as before with a new skin

Truth is we don't know

[olive ember]

nah thats hard cope

its gotta be

why would they show off the fucking poke sword if they had the beam staff

[void mural]

We called him sour milk for a reason

[leaden thunder]

nah he feels it in his balls

let him cook

[river sand]

they said its not all weapons that come in this patch, maybe they once surprise us with something good ? ^^

but to be honest i expect the new sword to be shitty and probably ogryn gets a chair to swirl around or something like that

[shut ether]

Expectations are low

[leaden thunder]

tbh

i'd take that ogryn weapon

[gilded viper]

Want a new human range weapons tbh

[olive ember]

3 new lasguns for vet!

[gilded viper]

[lament sonnet]

Hey, I still enjoy the baseline gameplay enough to just... take this all as it comes.

[digital narwhal]

Damn, nothing for Ogryn?

[lament sonnet]

When the players aren't braindead, anyway.

[leaden thunder]

I am mainly exicted for the hammer

[gilded viper]

Don't have ogryn leveled so I'm bias....sorry

[leaden thunder]

and I am very interested in the balance changes

[digital narwhal]

We have the most limited weapon pool as Ogryns.
Ogryns deserve something.

[leaden thunder]

since they seem to shake up the bad weapons alot

[digital narwhal]

The Warhammer 40k

[gilded viper]

Ready for autopistol to be nerf tho, I'm glad it meta now but the stagger is a bit too much, 2 bullets and mauler go flying

[void mural]

Is it really that good? I hadn't tried it yet

[digital narwhal]

I thought about something really ‘ard once and eventually it ‘appened.
Ogryn must be Spark’ead for that to ‘appen.

[leaden thunder]

with both it's good blessings it is very strong

it's still pretty crap without them tho

[gilded viper]

Autopistok with pinning fire + blaze away is op af

[void mural]

Ok, so it's another case of OP blessings, not the weapon actually being good

[leaden thunder]

more or less

[olive ember]

yeap but its good enough that the vets, the zealots, and the gun psykers are all running it

[leaden thunder]

honestly it depends on who they want to run how impactful blessings are

[gilded viper]

The weapons have crazy stagger without blessing so it kinda both

[leaden thunder]

but also the bad blessings are still shit for it

[kind jay]

i mean blessings is what makes a majority of weapons good

thats just how it works

[leaden thunder]

yeah