warp res and damage are the dump stats
#psyker-class
spice veldt
though I'd say that damage is the main dump stat
because you can usually hit the breakpoints with at least 60% damage
feral topaz
huh
olive ember
the more you know
spice veldt
it's a dump stat only if it's like a 380 rating staff
and you do need at least 60%; same goes for warp res where you just need as much to get at least 4 casts with warp flurry
feral topaz
Hmmmmm
so I am just better off replacing the crit soulblaze thingie with warp flurry
spice veldt
I mainly use my staff for shooters/bruisers/stalkers, so hitting those breakpoints is good enough for me (hence why I personally don't prioritize damage too much as long as it's at least 60% dmg or so)
olive ember
crit blessings on trauma and voidstrike are memes tbh
spice veldt
f
feral topaz
I thought at the time that crit chance plus crit blessing = awesome sauce
olive ember
they just aren't meta
spice veldt
i also wish they were good
olive ember
it doesn't help that warp nexus is bugged
feral topaz
Wait what
olive ember
so you only benefit up to 2 stacks, when you should rly be getting 3
oh yeah
so how warp nexus IV works is
feral topaz
Is that true on all staffs?
olive ember
+5/10/15/20% crit chance at peril thresholds of 30/50/97/97%
its not just staffs
anything involving peril
including unstable power
feral topaz
Huh?
olive ember
thats why I said 10% extra dmg instead of 20%
olive ember
cuz funny peril thresholds
feral topaz
both my purga
olive ember
cuz they don't check their code and yeah
feral topaz
and my fs
olive ember
thats whats listed
feral topaz
are cucked
spice veldt
you've been fatsharked
feral topaz
What the fuck obese megallodon
spice veldt
here's hoping that they fix it in the next patch tho
olive ember
Don't worry nexus is still meta on purge despite the fuckery
spice veldt
only because the other blessings are meh
olive ember
FS... ehhh you get 10% power thats something
spice veldt
it's a wasteland for staff blessings
feral topaz
I shouldn't be surprised anymore
feral topaz
But somehow when I think I found the bottom of the jank barrel
They keep managing to surprise me
olive ember
since you literally only gain the last two stacks at 97% peril
the effective use is ~10%
oh no
did you know that flurry is broken on the surge and purge staff
its very jank
olive ember
lemme find the bugpost
@sand escarp voila
been bugged since launch, they implemented a fix, didn't work
feral topaz
lol
feral topaz
Wrong Ghostrider but hey
feral topaz
huh
...wellp
Something else to the back catalogue of untended jank to keep in mind when I do shit
velvet crescent
i will say this
psyker is a lot more rewarding than veteran
there is something about seeing the killboard light up as my psyker clenches his hand
feral topaz
It depends
velvet crescent
especially if i bag a sniper/poxwalker
feral topaz
my most fun games as psyker was when there were no vets
spice veldt
tbf, zealot feats straight up were broken at launch
olive ember
I mean psyker had to get a fucking rework in prepatch 1
cuz you blew up at 85% peril
feral topaz
They still have a bugged ult that turns ranged weapons into anti material rifles
olive ember
they made passive quelling faster than active quelling
each BB was 45% peril
so 2 BB and then you had to quell to 85 to BB again or you blew up
feral topaz
Tbh, I still dont see the point of the passive quell bug fix
olive ember
except they apparently swapped passive and active quelling so active quelling was actually slow af
from prepatch 1 or the last patch
feral topaz
The one where they suddenly went "oh btw passive quell is too high on everything except staves and force sword, say goodbye"
spice veldt
i think it's fine since it's the same as a gun where you need downtime to reload
olive ember
The one where they suddenly went "oh btw passive quell is too high on everything...
oh lmao
yeahhh
idk either
but hey they buffed staff quelling and since I use FS
My playstyle got buffed kekw
feral topaz
I've always used Staves
I just like using Duelling swords
So this sort of came outta nowhere
cyan notch
doesnt really make sense for non force weapons to quell like 3x faster
viral solstice
yee it did feel a bit weird to be like
oh i need to escape my demons
pulls out knife
feral topaz
Its an arbitrary distinction, and since it was never explained, it was weird for it to be taken away
viral solstice
wait no that makes perfect sense actually
feral topaz
But since for whatever reason fatshark has no issue rolling back antax/bb "fixes" but not this fix
restive slate
Stop using warp weapons, daemon no whisper no more done
feral topaz
may as well learn to live with it
viral solstice
psyker just climbing into his mind palace
covered in blood holding a knife
daemons in shambles
olive ember
I mean the psykers have had multiple "bugfixes" that also happened to nerf em
cyan notch
exactly because its an arbirtrary distinction that it shouldnt be a distinction in the first place
restive slate
Whispering daemon: "Oh shit, he's got a knife! Better stop Periling"
olive ember
I'm still madge about them getting rid of my ranged block on revive ;-;
uneven drift
They still have a bugged ult that turns ranged weapons into anti material rifles
Well, ult itself not bugged, it just downgrade the armor type of targets. Interaction with ranged weapon what is questionable if it intended or not.
feral topaz
Does it make sense that braced auto gun rounds melt crushers?
olive ember
Well brauto is amazing against flak so
It used the flak damage values basically with zealot ult
viral solstice
look it makes perfect sense ogryn take increased damage when somebody is yelling at them
feral topaz
Yeah but its not supposed to do that on carapace
viral solstice
they have weak mental protection against authoritative figures yelling at them
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
uneven drift
Yeah but its not supposed to do that on carapace
It's only devs can tell if that intended or not
feral topaz
It's only devs can tell if that intended or not<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
...I mean, who can say, either its because it takes them months to address shit or one day theres a tooltip text edit that should've taken 2 minutes and suddenly its legit
olive ember
...I mean, who can say, either its because it takes them months to address shit ...
I mean it took em until like 2 updates ago to change passive quell
And then the changed antax and BB cleaver cuz unintended
feral topaz
...yeah, and how was I supposed to know thats a bug but then they backpedal on the antax/bb thing in 3 days?
You know what I mean
olive ember
And then they unintended the bug fix so that the unintended damage was kept
Yep
10/10
feral topaz
it sometimes just feels like theres a dude throwing darts at a board
and most of the board says "F Psyker"
olive ember
what then
I call everyone whose a vet main a filthy cheater and exploiter who shouldn’t have played using a bug
uneven drift
...yeah, and how was I supposed to know thats a bug but then they backpedal on t...
You don't. As user only you can do -- report something as a bug and wait for the answer.
feral topaz
"vets were unintended"
I expect lowkey meltdowns
viral solstice
i would be mad they took away the deadshot / duck n dive build
the most funnest build
u make the stamina bar go down
adn then up again
olive ember
I mean zealot chat would melt down if they added a two hander but gave it to vet
feral topaz
thats very unlikely
Having said that
if zealot gets 2H power sword, and its actually good, it'll be fascinating to see them finally shut up
olive ember
power greatsword vet only
feral topaz
Thats something I really hate about this community
Bitch about someone elses power toy but if I have it its all goochie
Its why no one wants Antax Bromentum nerfed
olive ember
Eh not entirely true
spice veldt
because you'd have to nerf everything else to bring it in line
olive ember
Everyday the zealots talk about how op the flamer is
And how it needs a nerf
I think they are just masochistic
spice veldt
flamers, purg, power sword, etc. are fairly overtuned compared to the lowest of weapons like the devil's claw
the balance in this game is just very whacky at this point in time
feral topaz
Yeah, but I dont think nerfing the fun shit is gonna make people happy
wet belfry
You think purg is busted?
spice veldt
blunt weapons having a 3 damage target cap
feral topaz
call me a cynic
spice veldt
infinite cleave is always busted
olive ember
It’s not infinite ackshually
spice veldt
I already don't like the trauma having flat damage scaling in its epicentre with no gradual falloff
unless you want them to bump up the difficulty of the game by increasing the # of enemies (which their servers can't handle)
feral topaz
I think its inevitable that there will be a difficulty 6
spice veldt
the power sword had to be nerfed from infinite cleave
and I think the same is going to happen to brumo and flamer/purg
feral topaz
Eh idk. If they do that it might render most of those exercises mute
Since the whole appeal is to clear an area in close-sortofmidrangeish?
olive ember
I’m just afraid any nerf they have to flamer somehow will get applied to the purge staff
Cuz fucking fatshark
spice veldt
yeah, but melee should also be a big component of the game
flamers/purg trivialize the melee aspect of the game except for crushers/bulwarks
olive ember
Anyways it’s 4 AM ima go to bed and cry about how we are getting a shittier FS for the update
spice veldt
:(
feral topaz
Eh, maybe on some maps its more apparent due to the claustrophobic nature of them
like Hab Dreyko
spice veldt
that's true; map design also plays a part
feral topaz
I dont feel that on Chasm Logsitratum or Consignment yard
wet belfry
I dont really thikn purgatus however trivializes the melee aspect.
viral solstice
brutal momentum is very goofy
wet belfry
Not atleast more then the top tier melee weapons do.
spice veldt
but most maps are still pretty small
viral solstice
and i think should be adjusted to be more a more axe-like cleave
feral topaz
Yeah, thats a map issue
wet belfry
Ive run tons of games with another guy running purgatus staff.
wet belfry
The thing just genuinely isnt good at always killing, covering everything.
spice veldt
and it's not as though the maps in this game are particularly claustrophobic save for hab dreyko
the DPS isn't remarkable, but being able to cover EVERYTHING is the problem
wet belfry
Im saying it doesnt cover everything.
spice veldt
well, everything with a 16m range at 80% cloud radius
wet belfry
Im saying that its a bad weapon infact for covering compared to top tier melee weapons.
feral topaz
problem number one, getting the aforementioned statline isn't trivial
wet belfry
It lets small pockets through that begin hitting you.
spice veldt
there's always the LMB
feral topaz
problem number two, some maps have those narrow corridors for which this scenario fits, and some areas for which it doesnt
spice veldt
and you can always kite to favorable areas to take advantage of it
feral topaz
Sure, a lot of things are mitigated when you're playing with friends
wet belfry
Ive had far more consistency with zealots + veterans, with zealots covering with melee compared to psykers flaming with their staff.
spice veldt
I'm not saying that it's the best, and you will certainly beat or compete with the flamer/purg in some aspects
feral topaz
Thats not a purg only phenomenon though
spice veldt
but the infinite cleave is a bit much
and it's a fairly easy to use weapon that gets a lot done
feral topaz
color doesn't bother me much, my graphic settings are pretty low anyway
quasi pier
because the colour is nicer
Run into the cotton candy for safety friends
olive ember
color doesn't bother me much, my graphic settings are pretty low anyway
Yeah I’m running the game with a 1080
Big E moment
quasi pier
Can someone educate me on the DoT stacks mechanics though. Is there a max that an enemy can have? Do my stacks combine with friendly stacks or are they two separate instances of stacks
olive ember
Can someone educate me on the DoT stacks mechanics though. Is there a max that a...
Max iirc is 31 but you’ll never actually hit that unless you are fighting something like a plogryn or BoN
And even then it’s hard cuz you’d have to upkeep stacks
spice veldt
and weapons have another max stack
on purg, 76% burn means that you can only apply at most 15 stacks of soulblaze
olive ember
Is it? Someone said max was 31
spice veldt
same goes for the Blazing Spirit blessings on the equinox staffs and force sword
olive ember
Just that the practical limit was like 16-18 before they fall off
spice veldt
i assume that's the max for kinetic overload/wrack & ruin which have no explicitly stated limit
quasi pier
So you would need 3 purg staffs to max soulblaze stacks?
Or do all 3 create their own individual stacks
olive ember
Think everyone has different stacks
Otherwise it would be hell to calculate since dot damage is based off power and warp charges etc. etc.
quasi pier
Otherwise it would be hell to calculate since dot damage is based off power and ...
Mm good point
cyan notch
Just that the practical limit was like 16-18 before they fall off
they dont fall off they get reapplied each time u burn them
its 15 for purg
u wanna go any higher u have to use other sources
viral solstice
theres a generic max stacks for all debuff dots
and then on a per dot basis they can have eg per-blessing limits
or per type (as with bleed)
welcome to the fiesta
it doesnt help that the eg bleed limit was put on simply because they didnt realise how dumb it would be with knives
but then bleed only matters vs 2 enemy types
beacuse they for some fuckin reason gave it a 4x multi vs unyielding but it does nothing vs anything else
the current dot system just isnt' really like
coherently designed
so im kind of waiting for them to do a big overhaul on it when they decide what they actually want it to do
cyan notch
im not waiting
viral solstice
are u going to fatshark central
so steal the bleed from their hands
bleed HEIST bleed HEIST
cyan notch
no psyker doesnt really do bleed so nah
quasi pier
So derp said each person has their own dot stacks but angry crab makes me think that it's more like an enemy has one stack on it and the weapon determines how high it can increment that stack
cyan notch
thats a problem for zealots to cope with
steel flame
Think everyone has different stacks
Actually stacks are shared. If you have a cap of 15 and somebody else has 14 stack staff. If you put 15 stacks on an enemy they cant put any more on only refresh
quasi pier
Eg.. two purg staff on one enemy in theory still doesn't go beyond 15 because the weapon itself can't apply higher than that
west galleon
Why am i getting insane guns for rewards but 0 staffs anymore, i feel like i am getting railroaded
cyan notch
So derp said each person has their own dot stacks but angry crab makes me think ...
derp kinda just says stuff
steel flame
Welcome to psyker class where they gaslight you Into becoming a gunker
uneven drift
Why am i getting insane guns for rewards but 0 staffs anymore, i feel like i am ...
Emprah want you shoot stuff.
spice veldt
how do soulblaze stacks interact with personal damage/power buffs? E.g., if two psykers are applying soulblaze to an enemy, do both of their power buffs influence soulblaze dmg? Is it the last person to apply/refresh? Is it the first person to apply the soulblaze?
steel flame
It's all in pygex guide
spice veldt
o
steel flame
We did a bunch of experiments with it the other day
It takes whichever buff from the person who applied the first stack
spice veldt
so the person who applies it first
quasi pier
Why read guide when I can ask discordGPT 
viral solstice
I haven’t looked at the dot code in any detail other than the stack power calc because I am paralysed by not caring very much but if there’s a detailed question I can investigate
uneven drift
I haven’t looked at the dot code in any detail other than the stack power calc b...
Do it, i bet you have no better things to do anyway since you are crab.
steel flame
so the person who applies it first
From pygex guide: Soulblaze stacks are shared across multiple players. The player that makes the first application is used for calculating the damage buffs as long as Soulblaze is kept alive on the target.
viral solstice
Wow rude I’m actually a vic ( very important crab )
spice veldt
so there's still a reason for me to run ahead as a purg psyker if there's another purg psyker
summer prairie
the person who applies the first stack probably gets the damage too and steals your orange circles
steel flame
Spent about 2 hours testing soulblaze with pygex not to long ago
summer prairie
so it's optimal to do your AB ult immediately even if you are at 0 stacks so another psyker doesn't steal your damage
summer prairie
not really
viral solstice
I mean that’s insanely dumb if so bexause it means an ab pistol psyker using ab before ur purge gives u 250% purge damage
summer prairie
12 stacks is more damage than 2x 6 stacks
viral solstice
Which is funny but stupid
spice veldt
it's redundant i suppose
quasi pier
so multiple purgs is bad right
Probably not because you will reach big stacks faster
viral solstice
Autopistil burn purg support
cyan notch
Probably not because you will reach big stacks faster
but its still capped at 15 tho?
steel flame
12 stacks is more damage than 2x 6 stacks
Ab can apply stacks up to 31
quasi pier
but its still capped at 15 tho?
Yea but getting 15 is not trivial
steel flame
So can wrack
summer prairie
it's not good vs bosses but the dot isn't great vs them anyway
viral solstice
that’s why use the autopistil to apply the ab first
cyan notch
Yea but getting 15 is not trivial
it is pretty trivial its like 2 full charges
potent echo
quasi pier
it is pretty trivial its like 2 full charges
Considering this would probably be only a thing for monsters/ bosses, then there is still a lot going on as far as who is taking aggro
2 is still probably pretty good. 3 purg staff would definitely be too many
summer prairie
this mechanic only matters vs bosses and you don't want to keep using your purg vs them anyway
summer prairie
if anything this way of stacking is beneficial against most targets
quasi pier
1 brain burster with cerebral lacerations kiting and 1 purg staff would probably be more efficient though
honest frigate
Canonically, theres more armor tiers than just flak and carapace, right?
Theres the ceramic plating iirc
Maybe more
quasi pier
One day I will live the DoT dream of double flamer double purg and everything will burn
potent echo
fs without special does nth vs bosses
summer prairie
yeah but even with a bad melee you can switch to BB once you are at full stacks
spice veldt
FS normals are comparable to its special in terms of DPS
summer prairie
and occasionally reapply with lmb
spice veldt
just that it'll be easier since you can trivially ignore the 2nd light
summer prairie
4x kinetic overload purg psykers
spice veldt
combining purg and BB is better than either pure purg or pure BB
and pure purg is better than pure BB
as a solo player, at least
summer prairie
why, do you think the non-dot damage is higher dps than bb
cyan notch
yes
spice veldt
pure BB with KB
although I did forget to use it off cooldown for a few seconds one time
the difference was enough for me to conclude that pure purg was better than pure BB with KB though
cyan notch
yea i tried that too
im asking like if ur using AB (so u dont have KB) which is pretty common after applying max stacks i dont think vanilla bb does more than pure purg
summer prairie
I wouldn't use AB on a boss unless you can kill other targets with it
potent echo
If only W&R worked on bosses
cyan notch
the ab point is just noting the lack of kb
viral solstice
i mean the ideal setup is
u have a stack starter
whose setup is purely %damage and power
and then u have a stack stacker
summer prairie
imagine this kind of coordination
viral solstice
who has purg and whatever bullshit he can find to apply more random stacks
im dual wielding controllers
summer prairie
the stack starter just keeps slaughterer stacks up
viral solstice
im makin it happen
summer prairie
or thrust
viral solstice
well stack starter would use a pinning fire autopistol
because 100% power
sometimes 150% when mag dumping
and pinning fire is laughably easy to keep up
no slaught required
summer prairie
the stack starter just block cancels max thrust and chills
viral solstice
max thrust only 60% but ye ees possible
but either way
thats the spicy meatball
and then i guess the purg person has wahtever shit u get to maximise stack life
ab, wrack and ruin (?), spaghetti and meatballs
and u organise this rotation once
cyan notch
boss already died to flamer
viral solstice
for a boss
shut up u this is for the youtube video
we need subscribers
and then u post it with a clickbait title
summer prairie
you can also coordinate your AB ults so that you get to 31 and keep it up
viral solstice
and never do it again
summer prairie
with enough psykers
viral solstice
of course
raid boss mindset
and then one of u drops the rotation
and everybody gathers round to hit them with sticks
viral solstice
to be fair tho
we allow the th dude a lil bit of boss smashing
because otherwise hes doing homeopathic damage to normal mobs
just smacking 2 poxwalkers around
and they fall over to keep him happy
like u pretend to damage us we pretend to die
its a happy relationship
more carapace mobs when tbh
cyan notch
like antax push attack spam
viral solstice
exactly
imagine if fatshark designed a system with like 5 armour types
and only one of those armour types
actually reduces damage
that would be crazy right
viral solstice
um
if maniac isnt armour
why do my headhunter bullets bounce off it
explain that one with ur western science
spice veldt
because headhunters aren't real
viral solstice
if maniac isnt armour why does my laspistol do triple damage to flak ragers over normal ones
thats because flak ragers arent maniacs and so they are WEAK
viral solstice
but yeah its just fascinating they went to all this effort to set up the mechanics so that if u keep the numbers in a certain range stuff behaves vaguely intuitively
then set all of their values outside that range
cyan notch
it will all make sense in the revolutionary patch this week
viral solstice
hell yea
uneven drift
Wake up, Game Designer. We have release to burn.
spice veldt
CAxes with their mfing 200% unyielding damage on heavies
viral solstice
Darktide is a perfect game.
i unironically love it
there are yombies
and friendship
and sometimes i can hit with sword and shoot gun
cyan notch
its definitely one of the games of all time
cyan notch
but u have cadia vets
ornate hamlet
someone say it again
viral solstice
thats just a voice tho
elves were a state of mind
a culture
a nation a people a SCOURGE
spice veldt
oh no
cold geode
With no bugs
idle bay
Perfectly balanced Game with no exploits
viral solstice
With Warhammer 40,000: Darktide, Fatshark ™️ Entertainment have once again succeeded in a content-rich, bug-free release of a multiplayer videogame. The rich lore, reactive story and deep end-game crafting and customisation will keep you hooked for hours - and with well-playtested mechanics and carefully written tooltips, you can understand what your gear and character can do without needing google!
idle bay
One can kill with such amount of sarcasm
Though you missed something about feedback and communication
And optimisation
And solid respect of player's time
And player friendly RNG
steel egret
Functional live service, constantly changing Tertium.
idle bay
Functional live service, constantly changing Tertium.
You onto something
potent echo
Planetide
idle bay
Oh! Mission conditions that player's asked for, like hunting grounds
idle bay
Light out are fine, fog too
Surprise spawns of deamonhost in spots that were empty moments ago
spice veldt
players must simply react to the ever-changing difficulties of the game
idle bay
Another one - well made and polished premium cosmetics without holes and textures and perfectly models without any clipping issues
steel egret
Pristine digital goods, unique new models
idle bay
Quick question: in your culture what does happen to you when someone talking about you? Superstition-wise. Like sneezing for Japan, hickup in Russia, e.t.c?
steel egret
Occasionally they show up.
rare furnace
Imagine playing with too much light
idle bay
Someone posted images of visual bug he having since beta, Game is super-bright with extra cheerful colors like LSD-trip displayed in movies
Brighttide
viscid cedar
So.. what is the go-to build these days?
rocky cedar
Builds are a decent part preference and the game isn't hard enough to stress about what build is "optimal" TBH
People still seem to be pretty keen on Purg
I'd strongly recommend just experimenting and finding what gels with you though
cyan notch
So.. what is the go-to build these days?
flamethrower staff with flamethrower ult
steel egret
So.. what is the go-to build these days?
Laspistol, traits that do nothing, some melee weapon.
Thats how you do equal matching
leaden thunder
actually tho laspistol is quite decent
steel egret
Yes
leaden thunder
if you want a meme weapon use a recon
wide tiger
why do my headhunter bullets bounce off it
Cause headhunters hunt heads
wide tiger
actually tho laspistol is quite decent
What perks do you like on laspistol
leaden thunder
flak, and maniac probably
mine isn't very good so I got double crit perks becuase when I got it, it was just a meme
cyan notch
flakiac
idle bay
New bugs 🙂 more nerfs 🙂
cyan notch
idle bay
F drops peril to 0% like in beta - that would be nice, and with 20 sec CD, not 30...
sterile vale
New stuff tommorow
Wouldn't assume so, big patches usually don't show up late in the week.
sweet vault
what do you guys use as your first row feat?
rare furnace
F drops peril to 0% like in beta - that would be nice, and with 20 sec CD, not 3...
It was 20?
rare furnace
No perill should drop to 30
The right amount to have all the stacks up
From blessings or levels
You know
spice veldt
what do you guys use as your first row feat?
I use Quietude, since I like the comfiness of being able to regenerate peril at any time, and it's basically free because I get toughness for something that I'm already doing.
twilit flicker
what do you guys use as your first row feat?
I use essence harvest because I make time to use brain burst, they all have their qualities.
rare furnace
You know maybe the quell 10 by kill
Should have 20% chance to happen
That would take away all downsides
steel flame
Wot
steel flame
Should have 20% chance to happen
????
twilit flicker
It's pretty spicy when you're about to blow up
"Just kidding!"
Like some kind of horrible practical joke lol
honest frigate
Ngl i wish the time it takes to charge up a BB would be dynamic with the enemy type youre targeting
But it would have to be a guaranteed oneshot
spice veldt
it's saved me from suicides more times than I'd like to admit
spice veldt
I like the clunkiness of the BB as is to make it not too strong
steel flame
Quell perill on kill
It's insanely busted on void staff. Why would they make it worse
cyan notch
i get stuck trying to swap from bb to my weapon sometimes still
spice veldt
I really do think that getting a single target dps force staff would satiate people's woes with psyker's ranged capabilties
honest frigate
But dude what im saying would basically make the BB equally powerful except you wouldnt have to spawn multiple of them on a single enemey
spice veldt
i get stuck trying to swap from bb to my weapon sometimes still
I hate that shit sinc it tends to happen when I really need my melee out
cyan notch
i thought they fixed it
turns out ur standing with your hands out getting hit to 20hp
spice veldt
But dude what im saying would basically make the BB equally powerful except you ...
I think it was fixed for Purg specifically? not sure
rare furnace
I say make it better
spice veldt
oh oops wrong reply
honest frigate
Rip
steel flame
I say make it better
How would taking a perk that always procs on warp kill. And instead making it a 20% chance, make it better
spice veldt
it makes it so that you have to re-peek the enemy
instead of just catching a glimpse of them and guaranteeing their death
twilit flicker
It should take longer to kill bulwark and crushers, and be useless against bosses wouldn't it?
steel flame
Oh that.
steel flame
You made it sound like the t1 is what you were talking about. I was like, what is he on xP
Makes sense now
delicate smelt
psyker is in a decent place, its just their staves in general that need a lookover, but instead what were seeing is gunpsykers with shredder everywhere because shredder is too good.
twilit flicker
You mean awesome, if they nerf it it should be ammo
steel flame
Pleas god no
steel flame
No ammo nerf for the love of all that is holy
rare furnace
What if we get buff
steel flame
I do not need a reason to compete with vets any more than I already do over ammo
rare furnace
Psyker crit also aply soulblaze just imagine
cyan notch
i dont think getting massive power bonuses just for idk shooting the gun really makes sense
steel flame
Psyker crit also aply soulblaze just imagine
God. Laspistol would be so broken
leaden thunder
if they nerf the shredder it will be nerfing it's blessings
as it's pretty shite without them
rare furnace
Shooting is fun
Only time we had problems with ammo was when the boltgun zealot takes the big bags of ammo to replenish 3 BULLETS
delicate smelt
Psyker crit also aply soulblaze just imagine
blazing spirit does that on force sword
steel flame
WHY CANT YOU JUST LET ME HAVE A GOOD WEAPON DAMIT. LET THE GUN PSYKERS LIVE
rare furnace
blazing spirit does that on force sword
For real?
steel flame
It's shite
rare furnace
WHAT THE
delicate smelt
yes, but yeah as they said its pretty bad
steel flame
It's weighted to be really rare
Just like bloodthirsty
Auto crits on specials attack kill
rare furnace
With high finess and the dodge extra crit it could be viable
twilit flicker
It's not very good, if you're in melee with a guy you probably want him dead asap and fire takes time. It's nice for finishing them off though if you miss or just feel like running.
steel flame
Bloodthirsty blaze would be better on force sword if the attack pattern wasn't ass
tired estuary
Its competing with too much blessing wise
rare furnace
It’s just have fun blessing
steel egret
Yes
cyan notch
like uh slaughterer and uh slaughterer
rare furnace
Maybe level 4 of it is actually good
steel flame
It's not very good, if you're in melee with a guy you probably want him dead asa...
Well the bonus of fire is that you would be able to proc ab charges off melee Not so much that it would kill much
steel egret
Slaughter preferrably with slaughter.
rare furnace
Will the big sword have thrust ?
rare furnace
Ok boys tommorow we will feast or I’ll just play league of legends for a week and see you in the future
steel flame
Will the big sword have thrust ?
twilit flicker
Well the bonus of fire is that you would be able to proc ab charges off melee No...
If you have time to watch them burn, then you have time to swing twice. It's awesomely cool though!
steel flame
If you have time to watch them burn, then you have time to swing twice. It's awe...
You can get warp charges by killing enemies that are afflicted with your soulblaze so if your melee could effectively generate charges reliably it would be awesome
rare furnace
Oh you say
I mean I just took the floor
And it was inside the same area as the hammer
They said more news when patch comes so maybe the deal will happen on the trailer
On yt
honest frigate
Still, doesnt make that much sense for a psyker to wield anything 2H other than force staves
spice veldt
not many 2h melee weapons for psyker lore-wise?
wet jacinth
Dual force Falchions
Though used by the Grey knights
Though my lore knowledge of the weapons isn't vast
leaden thunder
any melee weapon can and likely has a force/power/chain version
even if it's not directly mentioned
cyan notch
chain knife
honest frigate
Chain staff
wet jacinth
Issue is just that most variants I think of aren't wielded by guardsmen sized people
leaden thunder
very easy to just say a smaller one is made somewhere
chain glaives, force hammers, power flails
wet jacinth
Sadly no fist
steel flame
Issue is just that most variants I think of aren't wielded by guardsmen sized pe...
It's a good thing there is like all the wiggle room in the world to make new weapon patterns in 40k
leaden thunder
could just make a grinder hammer that is basically a chain hammer
honest frigate
Some bigggg 2H hammer or axe for the ogryn would be epic
Imagine the cleave on that
leaden thunder
if it's a hammer
honest frigate
Fartshart moment
It should have unlimited cleave against human sized enemies
logically
honest frigate
Nooo....
leaden thunder
the thunder hammer
honest frigate
leaden thunder
literally has that problem
it's really dumb
can cleave like 18+ hitmass
but only ever damage 3 targets
and it has terrible cleave fall off to boot
honest frigate
Doesnt it damage most of them but only the first 3 enemies get any significant dmg
lmao
honest frigate
Wtf
leaden thunder
the lights don't cleave like at all
steel flame
I don't see why they can't wiggle in a human sized doomfist and lore it into existence
leaden thunder
this is the cleave damage distribution of the thunder hammer
steel flame
It's not like the writers for 40k books don't do that already
leaden thunder
pretty much every blunt weapon has a cap
but a couple of exceptions to it only being on blunt weapons are like
the eviserator
which has a 5 cleave cap
and it's a fucking chainsaw sword
honest frigate
this is the cleave damage distribution of the thunder hammer
Actually so dumb
leaden thunder
and the ogryn shovel
which tbf uses the blunt part on heavies
but the lights also have this cap
and are using the bladed edge
note that combat axes which are ment to be a single target weapon don't have a cap
steel flame
But ......a chainsword isn't blunt.....
leaden thunder
so BM just makes them do infinite damage if enough enemies are in front them
fixed it for clarification
cyan notch
chain shovel
golden tartan
uneven drift
Emprah really want me shoot things.
steel egret
Nice
uneven drift
I bought it, but would not actually touch it Mb after another 1000hrs in game when i go insane.
frail berry
Is cleave the dump stat for Antax MK V?
honest frigate
Do dump stats refer to stats that arent worth maxxing?
uneven drift
Is cleave the dump stat for Antax MK V?
If you planning to add MB to it.
lethal folio
51% is nice to have before bm triggers, but you can dump it.
uneven drift
Do dump stats refer to stats that arent worth maxxing?
Well, you can't interact with stats directly. Dump stat usually refers to stat which isn't matter for weapon.
lethal folio
Dump stat is an rpg term where you have one attribute which you can 'dump' and save points for others.
viral solstice
like how u dump ur hp stat so u can max out ur handsomeness stat
im a fragile and beautiful boy
honest frigate
Seeing how much fucking stuff in this game is hard to pinpoint exactly
I lowkey have ptsd
uneven drift
Well, it's not that much, it's many things that not explained in game.
Like hidden damage caps, damage curves after first target and so on.
honest frigate
Das what i said
steel egret
I mean
cyan notch
space mages dont have braced autos
steel egret
Its not that much, it could be always worse
Some details like heroic stats mod for vermintide 2
frail berry
Decided to level the mobility one first as a test, came out ok actually :S What to roll for perks, critical hit dmg for critical chance?
spice veldt
i love the trauma staff https://streamable.com/vw3at6
inland sand
same bro
my favourite staff by far
so is the Surge blessing for Voidstrike a meme? primary fire only right?
spice veldt
works for RMB as well but I think it always shoots an uncharged secondary
doesn't work for Trauma's RMB though
chrome arch
I have a question regarding a Penance where you need to maintain 4 warp stacks for 300s
If you get to later levels (but not 30) and get 6 warp stacks and not gain the last feat which expends them, if you then fall from 6 to 5 and occasionally from 5 to 4, does that make it actually easier for the achievement??
spice veldt
the penance description doesn't specify a number does it?
inland sand
question regarding the Purgatus staff second perk - what's the BiS after crit chance?
finite path
krieg psykers lets fucking goo
Interesting
uneven drift
question regarding the Purgatus staff second perk - what's the BiS after crit ch...
Some + armor damage i believe. Avoid carapace tho.
finite path
You know what would be sick as hell?
catachan psyker
wide tiger
Yeah they should make us as effective as the devils claw
devils claw + surge staff, no flayer/bb allowed, there's your catachan psyker
leaden thunder
normal sequoia
You know what would be sick as hell?
*catachan psyker*
the only kind of psyker who doesnt need an ogryn to babysit him in melee
wide tiger
knife has worse horde clear than claw probably
you think so?
wide tiger
think it might be on par
can it apply its bleeds to enemies it only hits but does 0 damage to?
spice veldt
devil claw is meh but it does have access to savage sweep
viral solstice
knife only hit 2 really
leaden thunder
I don't think the knife has a cleave damage cap, just a hit mass cap
spice veldt
cleave distribution of the knife's push-attack (4 cleave)
cleave distribution of a devil claw's horizontal heavy (7.5 base cleave)
spice veldt
tbf, without brumo, the push attack would be better than the lights for hordeclear cuz of the higher cleave
viral solstice
no
spice veldt
it isn't?
spice veldt
god damn
viral solstice
spice veldt
MKI devil claw?
viral solstice
push attacks are just slow
spice veldt
das true
wide tiger
20s for 20? though
spice veldt
eviscerator push-attack (3.6 cleave)
spice veldt
damn only a whopping 4 push-attacks to kill a poxwalker
wide tiger
Why did they make the eviscerator suck so fucking bad
spice veldt
also why on earth does antax's push-attack have 7.5 cleave
wide tiger
like what
viral solstice
stagger
spice veldt
ye, but it's way higher than the evis or other CAxe's push-attack
wide tiger
I stand by the antax push attack for defense
when you get swarmed by ragers its a lot of fun
spice veldt
rashad and achlys have 3 cleave on their push-attacks
spice veldt
antax is just built diff
leaden thunder
not kill
wide tiger
with headtaker stacks up
viral solstice
decimator 50%
spice veldt
yeah push-attacks so far seem to fall into the CC or single-target (power sword, knife) category
wide tiger
i do love slaughterer 4 force sword pushes too
spice veldt
basically doing your ult
i love slaughterer force sword for this reason
you can literally push against a horde and step forward
viral solstice
i legit feel like a bunch of ppl came from vt2
and pressed push attack out of reflex
wide tiger
you're basically using a better zealot crusher but dont tell them
there are some zealots that feel like the crusher is amazing "cuz cc"
leaden thunder
viral solstice
yes
leaden thunder
luckily I am not one of those
viral solstice
imagine if there was a crusher
that only hit 6 targets
and did even less damge
nobody would use that
spice veldt
what are you alluding to 🤔
viral solstice
just a little jest
spice veldt
infinite as far as I can tell
spice veldt
mr crab is alluding to something beyond my comprehension
spice veldt
devils claw heavies have 7.5 cleave on heavies
so that crosses them out
closest thing I can think of is thunder hammer but I have no idea how the damage or cleave compares?
oh
is it the veteran shovel
spice veldt
gawd damn
viral solstice
it turns out
hitting 3 mobs for 27 isnt that much more valuable than hitting one for 80
wide tiger
unless you're trying to kill one and not 20
spice veldt
though you would reckon that the 272 damage that DC heavies do would be worth it
I guess the heavies really are just that slow
spice veldt
hmm yeah even with t4 savage sweep increasing the cleave from 7.5 to 22.5 (difference of 15), that's just 27 * 15 = 405 extra damage
viral solstice
and when u look at eg force sword
spice veldt
and the initial 8 targets of the devil claw take 454 damage
viral solstice
that light u stick out before the heavy
is weakspotting
and doing nearlty a fuill poxie
etc
spice veldt
so a 200% increase in cleave is only an approximate 2x increase in damage for the devil claw horizontal heavies
wonder how it compares for the force sword with slaughterer
viral solstice
about 11 seconds light heavy cancelling
spice veldt
without t3 slaughterer, force sword heavies do 332.05 net bodyshot damage to 6 poxwalkers
with t3 slaughterer, force sword heavies do 805.21 net bodyshot damage to 10 poxwalkers
spice veldt
an extremely bad sleep schedule
leaden thunder
crack
spice veldt
o no
spice veldt
smh
limber silo
without t3 slaughterer, force sword heavies do 332.05 net bodyshot damage to 6 p...
Yeah Slaughterer is fucking busted
Turns my fs into a crowd clearing monster, and I all I have to do is ult at 6 stacks w/ AB to turn it on immediately
spice veldt
the 40.88 minimum cleave damage on FS heavies and its fast attack speed also helps
god bless the force sword
honest frigate
i want the arrow-shaped sword already reeee!!!
honest frigate
if its got actual thrusting attack moves im gonna like it
limber silo
People bitch about FS being trash because it doesn't crowd clear. But those same people don't know how to weave combos
leaden thunder
fs is very very much carried by sluaghterer
it would be pretty meh to bad without it
even with combos
limber silo
I can still use it w/o, but kinda
The push carries it in crowds I would say
Light heavy push is great even w/o
spice veldt
given that it still clears 20 poxwalkers faster than a devil's claw, i think the force sword without slaughterer is still quite passable
limber silo
Biggest push aoe on a weapon I believe
viral solstice
it would be pretty meh to bad without it
u see u say that
spice veldt
the push aoe is the same as any other melee as far as I can tell
viral solstice
but uh
with just unstable power its killing those poxwalkers in 11-12s
which is faster than rampage 4 shred devil claw
spice veldt
you can also push behind you with other melees and whatnot
limber silo
Some aoes are worse on some weapons in my experience
vernal frost
so apparently i must have not paid enough attention
and the big E gifted me this thing
which i noticed only now
spice veldt
i'd say that could be because of how often you push with the force sword
since it's basically part of the combo to push
limber silo
So did everyone see that autopistol video and now we're worshipping the weapon???
leaden thunder
also power increases push strength
spice veldt
and power buffs makes your pushes stronger
olive ember
ThisWeekTM WOoooo
kind jay
i think the main reason to use fs is its ability to lightsaber specials
limber silo
FS is just versatile. Kills horde with difficulty, but wrecks elites and specials
Has all the best blessings and some of the worst too
spice veldt
collateral is just stagger so it's not too bad
spice veldt
oh yeah
limber silo
Can't proc pinning fire as consistently if you have no collateral
honest frigate
i wish force sword would do a bit more damage since its a single-target melee for the most part
but then theres the blessings so
copium
spice veldt
it does have a pretty easy time hitting headshots
limber silo
I did enjoy using autopistol to fling maulers backwards
viral solstice
i mean force sword gets loads oif swag blessings
precog
riposte
peepoprecog
honest frigate
riposte seems very mid
limber silo
Slaughterer, Uncanny Strike, Deflector, etc.
honest frigate
a negligible crit chance increase for like 2s on a dodge
limber silo
I guess bloodthirster is aight
spice veldt
bloodthirsty is very good
viral solstice
prefrog
spice veldt
not as good as slaughterer, but it gives you an initial boost that's important for racking up slaughterer stacks
with a single special kill, my FS can one-shot dreg bruisers with a heavy headshot
kind jay
blood is good at getting you the slaughter stacks then you combine both until the room is dead
spice veldt
if we could generate peril without having to enter an animation with the force sword, exorcist would be pretty top tier
limber silo
Boom, extra 1000 power out of nowhere
viral solstice
exorcist should let u kill ghosts
when u pull the sword out u can see ghosts
kill one of them
all ur peril goes away
simple fix
limber silo
I think exorcist would be cool to deal extra damage to warp entities if we get more of those later
spice veldt
blessings doing more than one thing smh
i do think that blessings just suffer from description-itis
limber silo
Also where the FUCK is my daemonhammer?
hybrid solstice
Force swords by default do extra damage to warp entities... or at least the lore says this.. not sure how well it's reflected ingame
viral solstice
no they dont i could make perfect descriptiosn for every blessing in like 2-3 words go on test me
limber silo
Why does Zealot get a cool hammer, but I don't? Smfh
spice veldt
risk of rain 2 had this problem with long descriptions which they solved with keywords and having a dictionary for the keywords pop up
honest frigate
EXACTLY
wet jacinth
risk of rain 2 had this problem with long descriptions which they solved with ke...
Imagine reading
honest frigate
risk of rain 2 was so easy to understand
honest frigate
literally
viral solstice
but if u could mouse over power and see it was damage, cleave and impact then u would be able to understand what power is
which is dumb
power is mystical
limber silo
They need a glossary section to explain keyworda
wet jacinth
With great power comes great responsibility
spice veldt
what's power? laugh track plays
limber silo
Wtf does Unstoppable mean?
spice veldt
what's brittleness?
viral solstice
imagine trying to explain rending though
limber silo
Had to look up every keyword just to know if shit was good
viral solstice
because rendings behaviour literally cannot be explained
unless u know the damage calculation
they know they cannot open this trapdoor
leaden thunder
it's damage reduction reduction
spice veldt
is it more complicated than what sean said
viral solstice
yes
spice veldt
fuck
leaden thunder
viral solstice
because 100% is not 100% damage
limber silo
because rendings behaviour literally cannot be explained
I hit hard thing, no do damage. Get rending. I hit hard thing, do more damage. Simple as
spice veldt
because 100% is not 100% damage
:) huh?
viral solstice
but what if u hit hard thing
do no damage
and then u rend it
and u still do no damage
viral solstice
tr000
limber silo
Also why is there 2 different types of rending?
viral solstice
basically the worst thing about rending is that the intuition about it is that it makes armoured targets more vulnerable
but it applies more to maniacs than flak
limber silo
+x and x%
viral solstice
the average weapon gets more damage from rending a rager than a flak rager which is rpetty cosmic