psyker-class

[leaden thunder]

you just change them

[devout axle]

You can change your feats whenever you want

[karmic reef]

oh lol

I never even tried

I just assumed I'd have to restart

[wide tiger]

who hurt you

[devout axle]

My man been playing too much PoE

[karmic reef]

Games that dont have good customization systems

[safe crystal]

Weirdly enough, trauma staff has surprisingly good boss damage

[wide tiger]

you should be right at home then

[safe crystal]

It might be better than brain bursting a boss because its cheaper and faster

[karmic reef]

I never know what blessings to keep/get rid of on weapons

[wide tiger]

Something about this makes me nervous

[safe crystal]

Talking about beast and plogryn, ofc

[karmic reef]

rn I've got force sword which I plan on keeping till endgame, but idk what to put on it

and then ive got headhunter which I think I'll keep until I get purgatus

but idk what to put on either lol

[devout axle]

Deflector and Slaughterer for FS blessings usually.

[karmic reef]

rn the force sword has executor

[gilded viper]

this work weird, mk9 HH is weird on non vet classes

[devout axle]

For perks Flak damage for assassination bosses. The second perk is pretty to-taste. I like Maniac damage personally.

[karmic reef]

what about perks

rn its got infested damage which I feel is sorta bad

now its melee crit chance which is ok ig

[devout axle]

Infested damage on sword is unnecessary. You will already be oneshotting most horde enemies with Slaughterer, and trying to land specials on Monsters is more trouble than it's worth.

[wide tiger]

just had a mutant throw me insta KO, and then proceeded to do the same to my other two team mates

and then the shield ogryn went down and died, shocker

mutant mvp

[gilded viper]

[karmic reef]

mutant gaming

you think essence absorbtion or the perk where you recover 10% toughness with warp attacks is better on a purgatus soulblaze build?

I feel like the warp attack on is better bc its more generalized

and with purgatus that should be frequent

[olive ember]

Both work tbh

You want more burst healing or more consistent healing

[devout axle]

Warp Absorption is actually the worst on Purg staff. You usually aren't triggering it, since the burn is what is usually killing. I think it's also still bugged where Purg doesn't count as a "warp attack"

Similar to how Surgs secondary is bugged.

[olive ember]

🤔 never heard of that bug before

Also seen clips of basically getting toughness back instantly using purge and warp absorption but idek

[worn cypress]

purg counts as warp attack for the 10% quell passive tho

but who knows with these things

[devout axle]

Battle Meditation passive doesn't require a Warp Attack. Its on any kill.

[worn cypress]

huh, TIL

[blazing oak]

Bugged how

[devout axle]

Bugged in that it doesn't count as a Warp Attack.

[wide tiger]

EVERY

FUCKING

TIME

[olive ember]

If you cope hard enough

2nd trait will be flak

And you’ll get the slaughterer IV

And totally not poxwalker/groaner and precog

Trust

[wide tiger]

i got precog 2 on blue and melted it

and then threw the ducats at hadron

[olive ember]

But wat if you got slaughtered IV

On the gold consecration

[wide tiger]

i mean i havent gotten a single t4 blessing through crafting on FS ever so

aint gonna start now

better off farming more ducats to hit up brunt and try to get a good stat'd FS which typically takes me like 300k

[leaden thunder]

ducats

[olive ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1087173144189620295/image.png

I mean look see

[leaden thunder]

you have triggered something in me by mentioning the currency of the accursed baro

[wide tiger]

oh baro

You warframe huh

[olive ember]

I had t2 shred as the blue blessing on my FS

I chose to stick with it out of spite faith and look what I got instead

[wide tiger]

yeah but

[olive ember]

Slaughterer 4

[wide tiger]

the perks

i have slaughterer 4

[olive ember]

I had t2 pox walker

[wide tiger]

i got it from melk

I need a real weapon to put it on

[olive ember]

Oh well maybe you would’ve gotten t4 deflector

[wide tiger]

i want bloodthirsty lol

fuck deflector 😛

[olive ember]

Oh well you might’ve gotten that

[wide tiger]

yeah i mean thats the logic i followed with my other billion force swords :p

[olive ember]

Besides what’s precog but a poor mans shred, which in turn is a poor man’s bloodthirsty

Think about it

[wide tiger]

dont you mean riposte

[olive ember]

Isn’t precog crit chance

[wide tiger]

precog is like a poor man's underwear

no

[olive ember]

Idr I don’t use that shit

[devout axle]

Precog is just bad.

[leaden thunder]

riposte is the crit chance one

[olive ember]

What’s precog give then?

[wide tiger]

weak spot damage and crit damage

[leaden thunder]

crit and weakspot damage

[olive ember]

Exactly it would’ve been

[wide tiger]

a whole 10% of it or something

[olive ember]

…

Something

[wide tiger]

I dont even melt precog weapons

they dont belong in my blessing book

[summer prairie]

Roll weakspot and crit damage as perks too and you are golden

[leaden thunder]

op

a whole 2% more damage

[summer prairie]

But stacked

It's like 4

[leaden thunder]

[wide tiger]

gotta roll precog on a 0 finesse fs

for real flex power

[olive ember]

Who knows

Someone might rly want precog 4

[viral solstice]

when they buff precog

and the blessing gets 1% more precog for every precog u have

precog maxxers gon be laffin

[olive ember]

It’ll be like bleed

But precog

[viral solstice]

bleecog

[twilit flicker]

You think it'll be worth if it was 50%+?

[raw quiver]

Hmmm, what's the dump stat on a mk2 duelling sword?

[leaden thunder]

50% is like

[olive ember]

Ehhhhh

[leaden thunder]

20% actualy damage

for those stats

[viral solstice]

i mean if they buffed it in line with shovel weak spot they could make it 60%+, but the issue is to do with the way the stat works

basically u only ever single dip it

[leaden thunder]

it'd actually be ok on the dueling sword

[viral solstice]

but i imagine they will gently poke it eventually

[leaden thunder]

probably

[viral solstice]

like they are slowly figuring out they need to make the weak spot / crit whatsits have meaningful values or they are just trolling themselves

[raw quiver]

I'm guessing Cleave is the dump stat of the Mk2 duelling?

[olive ember]

Thought it was mobility

Tbh dueling swords in general are mid imo

[raw quiver]

Usually it's mobility but I'm mainly using it as a utility to zoom around

[olive ember]

Just use knife then

[raw quiver]

If I have one

Besides

Mk2 duel has mostly single target strikes

Makes cleave relatively pointless to even have

[viral solstice]

ok lets test dis badboi

[feral verge]

Precog :D

[viral solstice]

and riposte its the combo

i got precog 4 somewhere

[feral verge]

Fuck. So jealous

[viral solstice]

and mebbe riposte 4?

[olive ember]

Precog and riposte

Amazing

[feral verge]

Precog 5 needs to be the first t5 blessing

[olive ember]

Don’t listen to the meanie

[viral solstice]

i was doing some mroe devil claw research while sleep deprived

and discovered u can make ur claw wiggle

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10Gppmd67LexL5/d1337h3OdpMZ?invite=cr-MSxVMmcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

wiggly wiggle

[olive ember]

I think you need some sleep man

[blazing oak]

The warp keeps sending storms on Tuesdays now to knock over trees on my street

[viral solstice]

i dont need sleep

look this item is perfect

[olive ember]

It’s mk 2

[viral solstice]

yes... but look at its rating

its the sex number

[olive ember]

420 isn’t the sex number

That’s the weed number

[viral solstice]

im not falling for this one again

u cant hide the numbers from me

[blazing oak]

Reject “funny numbers”

[viral solstice]

if u put quotation marks around that it makes it funnier tho

tbh duelling swords are really not that great at killing poxwalkers

maybe if they were armed

and it was a 1v1

[wide tiger]

but why

[olive ember]

Time to see

What you get this time

[wide tiger]

61% finesse tho

[olive ember]

Precog? Or maybe shred!

[wide tiger]

I need to look good when i swing my sword

[olive ember]

It’s not that bad tbh

61 is useable

[viral solstice]

hell yea

[wide tiger]

most generous

[olive ember]

Crit damage and infested

Time for that precog roll

[ancient ivy]

Hey Spark'eads I found this for ya. Enjoy

[olive ember]

Most generous

[olive ember]

Seems accurate but it’s funny

[wide tiger]

better than this one tho

[olive ember]

Truly

[wide tiger]

probably not better than this one

[olive ember]

A force sword of all time

[wide tiger]

this ones tough

even more tough

[viral solstice]

hell yea

[wide tiger]

deflector one tho

[viral solstice]

that ones cool as hell

[viral solstice]

crit theme

[wide tiger]

not even sure about this one

now we're just flexing

lots of deflectors

[olive ember]

Look at all them FS

[wide tiger]

drop in the bucket

[olive ember]

Just run that but swap uncanny for slaughterer and you good tbh

[wide tiger]

I started keeping all my FS

so i can post them on a fatshark post when they fuck me over somemore

my army of rejects

[viral solstice]

i would post my voidstrikes

but theyre all just tier 3 terrifying, sustained, warp nexus, blazing spirit, warp flurry

not even spicy

just same shit forever

[wide tiger]

i feel you

[viral solstice]

i want some spicy shit

[stable silo]

think this staff worth tryin for somethin ?

or the low dmg is bottom tier rofl

[viral solstice]

when they add unstable power and blazing spirit to every single psyker gun and also let u wield guns with ur mind that will be good

[wide tiger]

when they give me 10 floating recon lasguns that all use the same ammo pool ill be ready

alpha strike

[viral solstice]

they should give warlocks hellbores

warlocks specialise in standing still for ages to charge up warp blast their special move

[stable silo]

passive feat Pew Pew your eyes are replaced my las pistols oh and you get a cape cosmetic

[viral solstice]

so hellbroes will really synergise with the warlock warp class

[wide tiger]

I want the plasma gun so we can micromanage all our resources at the same time for 1/10th the dps of a vet at optimal management

cause it'll be fun

[stable silo]

nvm on that last staff i just picked up this raw waste of resources

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/sips-tea-drink-stare-gif-15410130

[stable silo]

lol sorry to pic spam but look at this thing melk has for me

[olive ember]

not bad tbh

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[safe crystal]

Thats better than mine if you slap a flurry on it

[olive ember]

yeah swap out sprint efficiency for maniac and swap out sustained fire for flurry

and you basically have a meta staff

[wet jacinth]

Don't you want that double shot blessing for voidstrike?

[safe crystal]

Its for memes

I WANT it

To get those big booms

Flurry + transfer is BiS though

[olive ember]

surge blessing for voidstriike is a meme, and basically doesn't work on trauma

[viral solstice]

its the only thing i want

but i will never get

i wanna shoot more bleb

[wet jacinth]

I'm guessing it's as rare as like searching for Deflector on FS

[safe crystal]

Nah, its power cycler level

[viral solstice]

deflector much more common i fink

[olive ember]

thank god my school has a gaming center

[viral solstice]

ive made like 50 360+ voidstrikes

no surge

[raw quiver]

Not the best but it's a start

[viral solstice]

hell yeah

uncanny strike

time to rend

also nice pen roll

[wet jacinth]

That's the meta pen roll

[stable silo]

my spirit is blazin

[viral solstice]

its the weed number

[stable silo]

new meta inc

[viral solstice]

hell yeah

fireball chucker

[stable silo]

i just want heretics to feel the warmth of the emps love

[olive ember]

and thus another memestrike was born

how the emperor wept

[safe crystal]

Ever since i got this, i havent used anything else

Although this is the first time im playing in, like

2 weeks

[olive ember]

its still meta so yea

who knows what the funny update will bring tho

kek

[safe crystal]

Breaks flurry on void and trauma, fixes on purge and surge

[stable silo]

If i take warp flurry from trauma i cant put it on void now ?

[kind jay]

nope

[olive ember]

10/10 change

100% worth

[leaden thunder]

new force sword best weapon in the game but can't use any blessings from the current one

[kind jay]

if its the best weapon then it wouldnt need blessings

[weak sapphire]

Can anyone recommend a decent psykerbuild with purgestaff and force sword?

heresy/damnation pugging

[olive ember]

isn't that a given?

I've already prepared myself for the inevitable disappointment

[olive ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081319003479355412/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081306969366876251/image.png

[viral solstice]

its gonna be so good

its gonna kill 20 poxwalkers

[olive ember]

I present to you MetaPsykerTM

[viral solstice]

2x as quickly as a devil claw

its gona have blazing spirit 5

its gonna have 2 finesse bars

maybe even 3

it will be able to roll 2 precogs

at the same time

[devout axle]

By the five rusting spires, my eyes are burning! What unholy abomination spawned this foul miscreation?

[olive ember]

hi5 approved

we got video evidence

[weak sapphire]

I need a build for this guy. Not sure if I have done it right atm

1/3/3/3/2/X (lvl 29)

[olive ember]

1/2/1/1/1/2 is your typical purge build

[weak sapphire]

Thanks

[olive ember]

purge builds typically revolve around AB (the level 30 trait) so yeah

[devout axle]

Please never take Mind in Motion. It is just a wasted feat with absolutely no actual benefit.
The same applies to Kinetic Overload too, but it at least does SOMETHING.

[leaden thunder]

which one is kinetic overload

[weak sapphire]

Is it true to keep inventory stocked with high lvl gear in inv to get higher rolls when buying grey gear in store?

[weak sapphire]

Ok 🙂

[leaden thunder]

that the burn on getting more stacks

[devout axle]

The one that lights someone on fire when you gain a Warp Charge at max chages.

[leaden thunder]

yeah that one isn't great

at least compared to a 6 charge ab blast

which is very very strong

[viral solstice]

what if that feat stayed the same but u get a little warp pet that sets enemies on fire for u

nothing about it changes

but u get a warp cat

or a warp bat

[leaden thunder]

op

[viral solstice]

i think that would be a good balance change

[devout axle]

You are appealing to my inner Pet Class main.

[olive ember]

When can I play necromancer

thx

[leaden thunder]

I think unironically people would use it

if it did have a thing that set stuff on fire for you

[viral solstice]

yes some people call me the Game Design Mastermind

[devout axle]

I would use it unironically, just for the aesthetic superiority.

[leaden thunder]

it'd make it seem more impactful

[devout axle]

Looking good > Mechanical efficacy

[viral solstice]

also

they should make the 6 warp charge feat make ur head cosmetic 10% bigger for every warp charge u have

[viral solstice]

bring back this power

[leaden thunder]

it is still around from time to time Ithink

[late yew]

Trauma is horde clear, lightning is crowd control, what is void staff for?

[leaden thunder]

also hoard clear

but at longer ranges

[olive ember]

memes

[viral solstice]

void staff is basically just like

an all purpose gun

does ok damage vs everything, ok aoe, no range limitation, etc

it shoot blob

[wide tiger]

Yeah thats pretty unlucky given the blessing pool size, im in the same boat with force sword except like 150+

You're gonna be really disappointed when you get surge

[olive ember]

I mean he knows its mid

he just wants it for memestrike

[wide tiger]

He's gonna stack 1000 poxwalkers together and be like look how fast 😛

it would be cool if you crit with the melee and it fired a blob out

[pine merlin]

so whats BIS for purg staff?

[viral solstice]

i mean i cant be disappointed

because i know what it does

and i know wha ti want it to do

i want to shoot... more bleb

[olive ember]

warp nexus and terrifying barrage for purge staff

[viral solstice]

im going to set it up probably with blazing spirit too

so 10% of the time i shoot extra fiery bleb every time

[olive ember]

5%

[pine merlin]

thanks. Would 39% quell be bin if everything else is 70 plus

[olive ember]

eh I mean its not ideal but useable

[pine merlin]

ok. got one with warp but that quell makes me sad lol

[viral solstice]

no i have 5% crit perk

im optiomising

bleb

[velvet crescent]

ran my first game with quietude and trauma staff/force sword

[olive ember]

l;ol k

[velvet crescent]

im actually pretty happy with it

[viral solstice]

imagine not having 5% crit w/ surge

what kind of bleb fan would u be

[velvet crescent]

i generate lots of perils so this is a very nice little "get back in fight faster" button

[viral solstice]

my imaginary voidstrike stave that i dont have

is upset

[raw quiver]

Am enjoying the loadout I got going

Mk2 dueling + Crit surge staff

1 wound + 2 health curios

Quiet, inner, lacerations, deflection/shield, flayer, and barrage

[clear hamlet]

Mentally Skillcaped Psyker Shoots Shredder Into A Horde

[olive ember]

the only way to play psyker once you run out of things to do

[late yew]

How do you people cope with the fact that psyker is the worst class?

[olive ember]

It aint that bad tbh

[leaden thunder]

it's the worst out of 4

someone has to be

[olive ember]

nah thats zealot

once flamer is nerfed

[late yew]

seems psyker is the best in dealing with armored though right?

[olive ember]

Not best, a vet with a bolter or plasma melts em better

[late yew]

And also trauma staff is basically same as vet's grenade except infinite

[olive ember]

just that they always have a way to deal with armor unlike vet

[gilded viper]

This wait for update is painful

[olive ember]

its ComingSoonTM

[gilded viper]

I hope it isn't the same exact date as vt2's

I want to do Wizard Tower 2

[olive ember]

worst case it will be NextWeekTM

[gilded viper]

All the greenhorns to vt2 don't even know how awesome the map, wizard tower, was

[late yew]

Buffs for pysker?

[gilded viper]

at least a new force sword, that's all that's been confirmed

Single target focused fs

[late yew]

😔 true

my fav map in vt1

[gilded viper]

very fun map, I also want another boat fight map too

and Sienna's 4th career tomorrow

[late yew]

barely remember that

[late yew]

😩

[shut ether]

Wizard tower was one of the most creative maps they''ve ever made

[gilded viper]

It was like, really late in VT's lifespan, it was the intro to halescourge (the character)

[shut ether]

Feels like you're in inception

[wet jacinth]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448690561541603349/831668949342355476/WhenYoureAccusedOfEatingBrushes.gif

[shut ether]

My favorite part was how those specific rooms render differently based on the class you are playing. Like everyone has their own fear/dream

[gilded viper]

Now with it being a shadow wizard's tower, I imagine it will be even more screwy

oh wait vt1 was also a grey wizard's tower

[late yew]

yes

there also were upside down doors and furniture

[gilded viper]

these stairs go down?

[late yew]

YOU SPOILED IT

[shut ether]

I was so confused my first time in that Library section

[late yew]

Actually reminds me to return to my skyrim playthrough

Illusion magic is amazing with mods

[feral verge]

illusion fucks

[gilded viper]

Yes, I just started a modded playthrough, and a companion wizard I modded in can spam the Courage buff on you, is nice.

Walking around almost naked but still super strong cause the armorskin buffs is also fun

[shut ether]

I remember doing a full conjuration playthrough with conjured weapons. I used a modded levitate spell to just hover everywhere it was amazing to build up to being that powerful.

[late yew]

i am doing thief-assasin-master of illusion. And i basically don't use bows, for the exception of when fighting with dragons, since illusion does not work on them

finally got to use some really nice potions thanks to CACO mod

thanks to ordinator, apocalypse, odin and triumvirate mods you can basically specialise only in 1 school of magic and use only it and deal with any kind of situation

don't need destruction to do damage

[velvet crescent]

oh my god i finally noticed sefoni's less of an ass to psykers

how did it take me so long

[gilded viper]

You never noticed how she's also a psyker

[leaden thunder]

she has the same deal as other npcs

so she likes some personalities and dislikes others

[velvet crescent]

i had no idea she'd actually differentiate

[leaden thunder]

I think all the psyker ones are on the like list

[velvet crescent]

this is actually cool as shit holy hell

[olive ember]

she's just generally sarcastic so its prob less noticeable

[gilded viper]

Psyker's both care for each other and like distrust each other in order to avoid the witch's pyre. Very tense relationship

[shut ether]

Some of my fav screenshots

[velvet crescent]

oh no she's a lot more blunt in that she doesn't like my veteran

eases off on my savant psyker

[gilded viper]

I imagine you see 1 jarhead, you've seen them all

[olive ember]

oh yeah, she'll make vague threats like how no one would know if you ate shit in the meat grinder

[velvet crescent]

wait a goddamn minute
she's not threatening my judge zealot

[gilded viper]

Maybe sefana thinks they're cute in a naïve sorta way or knows that you can't touch her.

[velvet crescent]

huh, possible

[gilded viper]

Most of the NPCs treat the Savant personality very nice it seems, guess it comes with being an Enforcer with a polite streak

[velvet crescent]

my brawler ogryn's also okay in her books, just my professional vet is on her shit list

[olive ember]

professional vet is also on melks shit list iirc

or is it the judge zealot

i forget

[velvet crescent]

judge zealot

[lunar hollow]

judge zealot

[velvet crescent]

melk likes my professional vet

[lunar hollow]

melk hates my judge

[olive ember]

ah theres the spreadsheet

[gilded viper]

judge zealot is nice to ogryns so they're ok in my book

[velvet crescent]

okay sefoni hates my agitator zealot which makes significantly more sense

[gilded viper]

I forgot the order of the voices

[olive ember]

I think the microtransaction lady dislikes savant

not sure if thats purser in the spreadsheet

[gilded viper]

Melk doesn't even seem to like any vets except Cutthroat?

[olive ember]

but ngl idrc if I get hated by miss FOMO over there in her corner

[lethal folio]

Purser is the mtx stoee

[gilded viper]

Sefoni likes the wise ass sarcastic vet

I think that's c

[velvet crescent]

oh no melk likes my professional veteran

[gilded viper]

Wait isn't savant psyker b? Melk likes my Savant

or is psyker b the dreamer?

[olive ember]

savant is a pretty sure, seer b, loner c

could be wrong

vet a is professional, b and c not sure

[lethal folio]

Sometimes the order in the character creation isn't matched with abc.

[velvet crescent]

lemme talk to purser as my savant rq

[lethal folio]

Zealot male/female aren't even the same order

[olive ember]

the typical train of thought is that the polite goody two shoes is personality a

except for zealot

[gilded viper]

I'm pretty sure Melk likes my Judge

[olive ember]

I think judge is personality c

could be wrong tho idek lmao

[gilded viper]

where's the smart people with the answer to this question when you need them

[olive ember]

I only rly remember the personalities I picked

which I think is A - Savant A - Professional A - Bodyguard C - Judge

[velvet crescent]

okay i can't get a read on the purser's like/dislike lines

[olive ember]

I could be wrong tho

[velvet crescent]

she's acting nice to my savant at face value but i cannot tell if she's sarcastic

[olive ember]

if she has a line that shows up about how she could kill you and no one would know

[velvet crescent]

oh that's not sefoni

the commodore lady

also i think overseer nessian's an ass no matter your level, rip

[wide tiger]

Psyker male C always winning?

[olive ember]

Loner, cuz apparently everyone likes his snarky ass

[wide tiger]

I know I do

my fav voice set

[olive ember]

including MTX Fomo Lady

I'll take her not liking savant as a big W lmao

[velvet crescent]

okay i think i can tell now, she's telling my savant all prices are non-negotiable

[lethal folio]

It's all probably a random. Melk probably wouldn't like Agitator since he calls him out on his noble gothic fakery.

[wide tiger]

From emp: Melt for ghost 4 or keep?

[gilded viper]

I chose Savant over him, specifically cause I thought I would get tired of sassy German man. I do enjoy Savant a lot though, like how their madness is a bit more subtle then the other 2 personalities

[wide tiger]

perks seem bad

[velvet crescent]

oooh ghost

[gilded viper]

Is Infernus good on any of the las weapons?

[olive ember]

oh yeah I like the dichotomy

[wide tiger]

not really

[lethal folio]

Infernus pistol is good.

[wide tiger]

define good

[lethal folio]

It gives it damage where it needs it. Long range and vs specials

[olive ember]

it used to be good on the recon lasgun until they capped burn stacks to like 9

[gilded viper]

I'm not a good judge, cause if it can get through Damnation without being an active hindrance, I consider it "good." Speedrun worthy notwithstanding.

[gilded viper]

I'm guess burn dot isn't as strong as soulflame dot? cause like 6 stacks of soulflame kill any chaff on damnation

[olive ember]

oh no its stronger than soulflame iirc

just that you aren't using the dot on chaff

[gilded viper]

oh

[olive ember]

you are using it on maulers+

the only reason AB is used is because you can apply the 6 stack dot on the entire horde at once

[wide tiger]

my assumption would be good vs reapers more than any other enemy

[gilded viper]

I hope vet gets a longlas or stub gun

[wide tiger]

but idk

mutants maybe?

Whats the prime perk for laspistol? Flak? Maniac?

[olive ember]

infernus requires you to crit hit a target, which means you are building dots single target and only on crits

[gilded viper]

mutants and hounds are so weird, tanky af disablers

[lethal folio]

Flak+Unarmoured so you can plink headshot troops.

[olive ember]

so it was mostly used on recon las to quickly stack burn on something like a monstrosity or reaper

but yeah 9 stack cap makes it kinda mid

[near wyvern]

Why do we have to carry all the weight

[olive ember]

Simply stop carrying

be carried instead

[gilded viper]

They made the psyker do all the objectives? No zealot or Ogryn?

Bring back dashing with objectives

[near wyvern]

80% of the time I play I have to:

• collect the mats
• do the objectives
• clear the horde
• kill that fucking sniper
• get that fucking bomber
• remove those hounds from my team mates

Petition to get better team mates pls.

[north cradle]

If the Psyker has to clear the horde, something's gone entirely wrong

[near wyvern]

Let me tell you, combat blade is best in slot for psyker because it's the only way you can be in multiple places at the same time

[gilded viper]

pugs gonna pug, it's why I never used shotguns in VT2, even though I love the Grudgeraker and Corus staff.

[near wyvern]

and by the way

[gilded viper]

Psyker can clear hordes super easy though

[near wyvern]

this was with blazing spirit trauma

[gilded viper]

especially with trauma or purge

[steel flame]

must be playing a different class

[north cradle]

Yeah but I usually let the Ogryn deal with it while I fend off shooters

[gilded viper]

I wish blazing spirit was better

[steel flame]

dont we all

[olive ember]

yooo that sounds like my games

[near wyvern]

The only build so far I have found it works is blazing spirit trauma with recycler talents

[gilded viper]

Actually I really want the exploding flames blessing zealot has on their flamer

[north cradle]

I like letting other classes do their jobs. Like when I'm in arenas as a Veteran, I just focus on shooters and let the other classes handle the mobs

[olive ember]

"I'll queue malice so I don't have to think" and then I get teammates literally worse than bots on hab dreyko

AKA im soloing the objective on hab dreyko

[near wyvern]

malice is harder than damnation, change my mind

[gilded viper]

Vet is the best shooter cleanup, no challenge to that

[near wyvern]

The player curve is this:
Malice - people don't know what they are doing
Herecy - people know how to group up
Damnation - people know how to group up and fall back as a group
Chads - Damnation + picking the materials

[gilded viper]

I don't actually hate pugs, but the amount of ignoring disablers/objectives that goes on sometimes is absurd.

[olive ember]

tbf you get some shitters when you queue into low int damn

[near wyvern]

this was damnation low yeah

[olive ember]

Lmao

[mortal crest]

You ever open the game, hop into a Damnation match to unwind, and get your run ruined by 3 snipers that insta-fire upon peaking a corner? That's where I am right now.

[steel flame]

i swear to god low int is harder than hi int

[near wyvern]

they literally walked past an ammo crate with scriptures in their pockets, I went there, swapped for the create, deployed it, picked the book up and got three thanks messages

like c'mon

[lethal folio]

Infernus is ok

[olive ember]

you mean you don't ultra instinct dodge based on sound alone

[near wyvern]

people don't know how to even pick ammo

[steel flame]

take it on laspistol

[north cradle]

At least you got another tick for the box penance

[mortal crest]

The sound happened after I got shot. Like a good 2 seconds. My teammate got downed by it, too and I asked if it was the same.

[lethal folio]

Dreg ragers barely survive, but flak humans die.

[safe crystal]

Low int is people jumping from malice to damnation because of higher mat gain even if they lose. They have a chance of getting further in the map because its low int

[steel flame]

yeah infernus just sucks

terrible

AWFUL

[gilded viper]

Are snipers supposed to have a spawn sound? They are a special after all

[mortal crest]

It's like a clinking.

[olive ember]

Ima go ask reddit if my MetaPsykerBuild (except I'm swapping out the Columnus for the revolver) is ready for Damnation

[safe crystal]

You can hear their pitter patter sometimes

[mortal crest]

They have distinctive footsteps I believe.

That's what tips me off to 'em.

[olive ember]

Their feets are kinda... slappy sounding?

idk i only heard it once and I didn't even realize it was a sniper until after I pinged it

[steel flame]

the sound of them spawning is the sound of you dyng SON

[near wyvern]

someone said it exist in the game but is not used, so they probably had at some point but Fatshark decided to cut it out

[gilded viper]

Isn't reddit (and most of the discord for that matter) under the impression psyker is somehow unusable garbage?

[olive ember]

like its distinctive but at the same time I couldn't tell wtf it was

[steel flame]

pretty much

[olive ember]

lmao i mean

[mortal crest]

I mean it's not, but it's not exactly the best class in the game.

[near wyvern]

yes

and every time I play my zealot I miss my BB

[olive ember]

I won't complain with getting buffs

oh yeah

I can't carry for shit on any other class

[mortal crest]

I'm the opposite lmfao

[olive ember]

psyker versatility is something I miss

[near wyvern]

as garbage as default BB is, it's still an aim hack

[north cradle]

Send any Redditoid into a match with me and I'll show him what a good Psyker looks like

[gilded viper]

okay, but, not best doesn't mean, bad. Not everything needs to be as ridiculous as sharpshooter

[olive ember]

nothing like running an autopistol on my vet and suddenly I can't hit the sniper on the other side of consignment yard

don't have that problem as a psyker

[near wyvern]

I mean the toughness regen is god like on zealot, just dive in and you are good

[mortal crest]

Right up until it locks onto the pox walker next to that gunner.

Lmao

[steel flame]

people who think psyker is unusable are the one that cant handle more than one thought process at once

[gilded viper]

I don't think psyker is in a bad place other than the lack of viable talents to pick from.

[olive ember]

I mean the problem is that people focus on killing

dps is meta

[near wyvern]

you learn to live with it, target above the head you are trying to lock on to, preferably also tag the enemy, it seems to prioritize tagged enemies

[mortal crest]

I'd like BB to do a bit more damage, or have some different staffs.

[north cradle]

I had a different idea about Brain Burst

[olive ember]

so they look at psyker and it cant compete with vets counterfire, or zealots flamer, or ogryns BB

and yeah

[steel flame]

i find jumping lets me lock on to the specials and elites which are all taller

[olive ember]

utility doesn't mean much unless you know how to use it so on first glace psyker is weak af

[mortal crest]

I'm not saying you can't work around it, I'm saying it's a bitch when despite your effort it still messes up. Plus, I'm one of those noobs with tag on left click.

[olive ember]

it also doesn't help that you gotta get to lvl 30 and then some to get a feel of psyker

[mortal crest]

That's why my homies won't play it.

[gilded viper]

I think psyker's dps is fine. Course people think Sienna is bad too so, probably for similar reasons.

[olive ember]

so the people who struggled through the hell that is psyker leveling prob drop it the moment they hit lvl 30 and never touch it

I mean I hate sienna kek

can't play her for shit

hated all her good staffs

[near wyvern]

I have almost the tallest character model so that must help as well

[north cradle]

The Level 10 feats could use an overhaul, methinks. Move the Peril Resist to a passive, and replace it with a feat that deals heavy knockback in a 4m radius of the Brain Burst target. That, and make Wrack and Ruin work on any Brain Burst target, not just Elites

[mortal crest]

I played Psyker a shit load but when I hit level 30 in other classes I was like... damn these kinda hit different. Going back to it once I learned how to play the game made it more fun though.

Lmao

[lethal folio]

Wrack is already strong.

[mortal crest]

Not taking hits for no reason because y'know blocking exists.

[steel flame]

yeah......sienna is literally the most broken character in vermintide. battle wizard and unchained are disgusting

[near wyvern]

psyker dps is fine, you do a shit ton of CC on top of the dps

[olive ember]

the problem is that he doesn't feel strong if you don't really know how to use em

[gilded viper]

Yes I agree entirely, Unchained is my fav, people just can't figure out how to not blow up.

[near wyvern]

kinetic deflection is my jam, I had to learn to watch my stamina bar when I started to level up my zealot

[north cradle]

I miss my beam staff

[gilded viper]

I miss bolt, Corus, and Fireball. No Void is not the same.

[olive ember]

purge is a discount flamer, voidstrike and trauma can't be vets killing power, surge does zero damage. Psyker (besides peril blocking which people don't know how to utilize) have weak melee feats

[north cradle]

I actually like how Psyker plays more than Sienna, but I miss Sienna's weapons

[mortal crest]

Honestly I find that I can ignore stamina on Zealot. Even with a spam of heavy attacks, pushes, and follow-ups with the Eviscerator. But learning to block helped me play Psyker a lot when I finally got a deflector sword and ran kinetic deflection.

[near wyvern]

discount flamer perhaps but it can go on forever without having to reload as long as there are poor souls to feed the machine

[olive ember]

oh yeah

but people don't feel that

[steel flame]

fatshark is scared to death of the corustation staff

[gilded viper]

Is fair all things considering

[olive ember]

They just sit there and go "so its a flamer that has last range that requires me to charge for like 3 seconds for a 3 second burst"

[mortal crest]

It's hard to argue "no ammo usage" when the flamer is quite frankly one if not the most busted weapons in the game right now.

[north cradle]

Ya I'm cool with weaker weapons with infinite ammo and the need to quell Peril

[olive ember]

doesn't help that zealot has armor strip which means flamer melts through crushers and bulwarks and the like

[mortal crest]

Yeah it's disgusting.

[near wyvern]

not really, it's the reloading that ultimately kills you

[mortal crest]

It's really not because you're using the Zealot.

[gilded viper]

yah wasn't the reload speed and alt fire activation buffed?

[olive ember]

I mean good zealots won't be caught reloading

[near wyvern]

well yes, you get low just so you can get high again

[olive ember]

I believe they said pretty much everything dies in 8 ammo worth of flamer

given you have like what 30 something ammo

thats enough to kill everything 4 times over before needing to reload

[near wyvern]

just got to lvl 20 on my zealot and it's so funny when the invulnerability pops and I am like "Sorry team, I must go, my enemies need me"

and back to half health

[north cradle]

And I think feathering the trigger gives you a couple extra puffs of flame

[mortal crest]

That's part of why it doesn't matter you have to reload the flamer.

It does use up some ammo, but only if you're baking monstrosities with it.

[north cradle]

I did that with a Tox Flamer once

[olive ember]

I mean some zealots don't even run holy revenant

they run TWBS

for the no stun

[mortal crest]

Super useful.

[olive ember]

it lets them use hammer to trade and gets rid of alot of the jank

[gilded viper]

The point is the ridiculous nature of "psyker bad," is grossly overexaggerated, which is why we haven't seen the utterly insane buffs people seem to expect the class to receive.

[mortal crest]

Seriously, though, I've never seen a Damnation match end faster than a pair of Zealots with flamers.

[north cradle]

I said "Don't kill the Flamer," waited for her to shoot green fire at me, then I Thunder Hammer charged into her and got all my health back

[mortal crest]

Plague Ogryn popped and died in 10 seconds.

[ornate hamlet]

Where my message

[olive ember]

I mean psyker buffs are always welcome

[mortal crest]

I've heard that's more because FS likes to make very very tiny iterative changes instead of drastic swooping changes in one go.

[olive ember]

I still get tilted thinking about the fact that hounds and bursters are TWO BB on damnation

like wtf

[mortal crest]

It's dogwater.

[ornate hamlet]

Anyway, holy whatever good for the fly af penance armor

[north cradle]

Same, and not even Warp Battery helps

[mortal crest]

Maniacs are like 3 BBs.

[north cradle]

Maniacs are five

[gilded viper]

again, not what I'm saying, FS clearly doesn't want a repeat of the class just being a BB spammer

[mortal crest]

You running Wrack or nah

[gilded viper]

who runs wrack?

[north cradle]

No, I'm using Peril Resist

[olive ember]

I mean I was happy with that tho

XD

[mortal crest]

Me it's neat.

I heard it got buffed so I used it a bit.

[olive ember]

give me my stagger on BB back >.>

give me my one shot maulers

I miss my old BB

[mortal crest]

Stagger on BB was huge.

[gilded viper]

It did get buffed, like they added a meter to the aoe

[north cradle]

Seriously what happened to the stagger?

It feels like it only works on mobs and Gunners

[mortal crest]

That makes it cash.

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker should at least be able to one-shot specials with BB

[mortal crest]

Yeah but only like half way through.

[olive ember]

two things A) stagger used to be stronger, B) it used to stagger at start of cast instead of like 1/2 through the cast

so you could stagger ragers by starting a cast on them

and they would stay staggereed until the cast went through

same thing with bulwarks

[north cradle]

I remember that from the beta, but it just feels inconsistent now

[gilded viper]

The damage is flat, if they buffed it to 1 shot specials ie mutie, it would kill basically anything smaller than a crusher'

[olive ember]

cuz they nerfed it

[mortal crest]

That'd be dope.

[olive ember]

so that stagger is weaker

[leaden thunder]

muties have like

4k hp

[shut ether]

Oneshot mutie

[leaden thunder]

so making it deal that much damage is a bit much

[ornate hamlet]

Some specials then

[gilded viper]

They want psyker to do more things than Brain Burst, a sentiment I agree with

[mortal crest]

It can do those things and also have a better BB.

[shut ether]

Stop buffing the damage of Brainburst but give it more utility through Feats

[ornate hamlet]

I forgot mutant wasn't an elite

[north cradle]

I can one-shot a Mutant with a 25% Maniac Force Sword at max stacks, but only on headshots

[olive ember]

Meh I mean you didn't only BB tho

[shut ether]

Nobody wants to sit there with their hands out all match

[olive ember]

it just felt like that because at the fucking time the only weapons psyker had were trauma, BB and like force sword

[shut ether]

[mortal crest]

Prebuff Trauma too, yeah?

[olive ember]

so unless a horde was on them there was nothing else to do

[leaden thunder]

I mean I can 1 shot a mutant with my Thammer, but that's at melee range

and muties take more melee damage afaik

[olive ember]

CBT trauma is basically current Trauma

they nerfed trauma from CBT to pre order launch

[mortal crest]

Dawg one tapping mutants with the TH is the most cash money and easiest clap.

[mortal crest]

God damn.

[leaden thunder]

it is also very statisfying

[mortal crest]

They made it super trash on purpose?!

[gilded viper]

Thunder Hammer's 1 shot is very funny, but the cleave damage is pain

[olive ember]

They made psyker trash in general at launch

[north cradle]

Yeh I think Infested and Unyielding have a higher damage multiplier from charged Thunder Hammers

[olive ember]

because people said Psyker was OP in the CBT

[mortal crest]

Bruhhhh

[olive ember]

based on lvl 15 malice gameplay

yep

[mortal crest]

Honestly I don't even care about the cleave damage. Especially with the animation cancel, that thing annihilates elites and specials.

[olive ember]

I made a reddit thread on launch if you wanna read it

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/yyasp6/they_somehow_made_psyker_even_less_fun_to_play/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1

[north cradle]

The fact that I can one-tap a Mutant with Thunder Hammer but I can't one-tap a Dreg Rager is really odd

[olive ember]

this was on launch, legit first prepatch update things were changed but yeah the pre-order launch state psyker as legit dog water

[gilded viper]

I want a shotgun for psyker, I don't care if it's not as broken as corus, I want my wizard shotgun back

[safe crystal]

You can take the doggo on a little walk if you use your RMB to stagger it, just reset by letting go of LMB and you can do this forever. Your team might not appreciate you doing this, though

[mortal crest]

Really?

[north cradle]

Ya

[olive ember]

that used to be on the lmb reeee

[mortal crest]

I haven't tested that myself with my own hammer, but I swear you can.

[olive ember]

they ruined it and made it a jank interaction with rmb only

[north cradle]

You can also one-shot Reapers and Bulwarks with Thunder Hammer if you smack them in the meaty bits

[mortal crest]

That I'm aware of.

Though you gotta get around the 270 degree shield hitbox lol

The animation cancel makes it kinda mean to kill Bulwarks though.

[north cradle]

Mebbe a charged light to stagger him and a charged heavy to kill?

[mortal crest]

That's exactly what I'm getting at.

Swap back and bonk

[olive ember]

from my experience he recovers too quickly to charge heavy

tho I haven't tried animation canceling the recover state

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mortal crest]

That's the ticket.

Swap back to TH from TH and it'll recover instantly after a charged attack.

[north cradle]

If you don't use the animation cancel, you definitely can't whack him

[mortal crest]

But anyway Psyker Psyker Psyker Psyker.

Lol

[olive ember]

if you wanna imagine how bad pre-order launch psyker was i had a reddit thread complaining about it at the time linked

[north cradle]

Psyker, I can one-shot Dreg Ragers if I have max stacks and a 25% Maniac Force Sword

Scab Ragers are hilariously fragile against Psykers though

[mortal crest]

I swear I read this before but realized it was old so not as carefully. Kind of a shame.

[north cradle]

I think a charged light could kill them with only two stacks?

[mortal crest]

They're really just nothing like the dreg ragers.

Practically made of Styrofoam in comparison.

[north cradle]

It's all that limeade in their spinal column

[mortal crest]

Lmfao

They get JUICED UP.

[gilded viper]

scab rager have less health than dreg rager

[north cradle]

Do they? I'm pretty sure they have the same health

[olive ember]

all the dreg enemies have more base hp than the scab enemies

its kinda dumb tbh

[leaden thunder]

typically you'll deal more damage to dregs becuase no armor

[north cradle]

Dreg Ragers just have Maniac, and Warp attacks are really ineffective against them

[olive ember]

the fucking hobos are legit harder to kill than the armored, actually military guys

[gilded viper]

something something nurgle magic

[mortal crest]

Nah man they're like grim dark Tusken raiders.

[olive ember]

I mean the scabs are also nurgle worshippers

so why tf are the hobos harder to skill

[leaden thunder]

crackhead powers

[north cradle]

Meth

[leaden thunder]

[north cradle]

Ever fought an average San Francisco resident?

[mortal crest]

My biggest problem with dregs is that cloaked vet skin that makes your teammate look like a dreg shooter.

Takes a microsecond for me to realize who's on whose team.

[olive ember]

My problem is that scab stalkers don’t fucking show up in counter fire

[north cradle]

REAL SHIT

I don't care what Fatshark says, it's stupid

I understand the rationale, but it does not work as well in practice as it does in theory

[safe crystal]

If they actually tried to get into melee range to melee you

But they get there and unload on you instead

[gilded viper]

agreed, only real gripe I got with sharpshooter, beyond the overall strength of the class

[gilded viper]

Suppression is so weird

[north cradle]

Do Dreg Stalkers even exist? How do I distinguish them from Dreg Shooters?

[leaden thunder]

it's only dreg stalkers

[gilded viper]

their helmets don't have masks

[north cradle]

That's Scabs

[leaden thunder]

there is no dreg shooters

[lethal folio]

The 'shooters' are stalkers

[north cradle]

So who are the hobos shooting autoguns at me?

[leaden thunder]

stalkers

[north cradle]

ALL the Dregs are Stalkers?

[olive ember]

Yep

[leaden thunder]

execpt the bruisers

[north cradle]

This is painful

[leaden thunder]

the bucket heads are the bruisers

[olive ember]

But they show up in counterfire

[north cradle]

Ya I know Scabs and Dregs have their own melee units with polar opposite armour

[lethal folio]

They didn't in beta and then people complained

so now dreg stalkers are highlighted and scabs aren't

[north cradle]

I could not imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if Counterfire didn't highlight Dregs

[wide tiger]

guess they didnt complain enough to get em all highlighted lol

[north cradle]

At least Soulfire doesn't discriminate. You Force Push into a general direction and they all get lit up

[delicate smelt]

scab shooters have a lasgun and switch to bayonet charging you in melee, scab stalkers has a laspistol and switch to a melee weapon in that range. so i guess stalkers count more as a melee class because they actually have a melee weapon. idk.

[gilded viper]

Ascendant Blaze is so fun

[olive ember]

Idek the difference stalkers have behaviorally vs normal shooters

[leaden thunder]

scab stalkers have a lasgun

[olive ember]

I never notice

[north cradle]

I actually prefer Kinetic Barrage since I don't usually run Purgatus and I spend a lot of time Brain Bursting

[olive ember]

Shooters take cover more and stalkers push more? Idek

[leaden thunder]

they are supposed to

[gilded viper]

Don't all scabs have las compared to dregs with stubbers

[leaden thunder]

yeah

execpt shotgunners of course

[gilded viper]

yes

[north cradle]

Lasshotgun

[leaden thunder]

though las shotguns do exist

[wide tiger]

i like the shotgunners that keep shooting you in melee

those are great

[olive ember]

Real question tho

[north cradle]

They're so great, I want to die in real life too

[olive ember]

Why are our shotguns so mediocre

[leaden thunder]

[olive ember]

But their shotguns so fucking stupidly broken

[wide tiger]

i think they got nerfed in the beta cause everyone was using theem

shrug

even psykers were using them

good times

[leaden thunder]

like

[north cradle]

I remember being a shotgun Psyker

[olive ember]

Yeah psykers got their shotguns stolen their revolvers nerfed

[leaden thunder]

it's a shotgun in a hoard shooter

it should be goddamn good

[cyan notch]

ogryn shotgun is pretty good

[leaden thunder]

but it's a shitty dmr

instead of a shotgun

[north cradle]

When you're shooting 4 gauge shells, it should be

[leaden thunder]

ogryn shotguns are good tho

[wide tiger]

vet can kinda use it

with no respite/ff + manstopper and crit stacking

[north cradle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uJouw9uh84

[wide tiger]

thats about it

[leaden thunder]

the ogryn kickback is like

a .06 or .006 gauge

[olive ember]

Gotta go to YouTube

[wide tiger]

The shotgun blast was so strong it blacked me out

[gilded viper]

I want a shotgun for psyker, Lawbringer wasn't amazing and they still took it away

[wide tiger]

I would love a shotgun that gives us a free dodge everytime we shoot

defensive fire!

[gilded viper]

A shotgun with a high dodge count would be neat

I just want more staves, and force knuckles

Whatever happened to the laspistol/staff combo I coulda swore psyker was gonna get?

[north cradle]

That's just the Force-A-Nature but backwards

[gilded viper]

Force of Nature but good

[north cradle]

Shortstop gang

[gilded viper]

the shove is so stupid tho

[pine merlin]

or bolter pistol/staff combo could be fun too

[gilded viper]

Bolt pistol on psyker would be hilarious, especially if the staff is good against low armor, so it's a general purpose sorta weapon combo

I'm sure it's a thing Primaris Psykers can do

[gilded viper]

Don't quote me I don't play tabletop

[pine merlin]

used it on that martyr game and was like hmmmmm

[delicate smelt]

might as well just play as a gray knight.

[north cradle]

There are Primaris Psykers?

[gilded viper]

There is and it's not a Primaris Marine

[north cradle]

Do you mean Librarians or

Oh wow

[gilded viper]

No Primaris Psyker is the Guard, it's basically a high ranking Psyker

There's tiers to psychic prowess and they're like Beta I think? pretty high up there

[north cradle]

lol they're betas

[gilded viper]

"melts an armies brains through their noses" Lol what a beta

[pine merlin]

I don't know how accurate to lore Inquisitor: Martyr is but there's a psyker class on there that gets a one handed staff and a bolter pistol

[gilded viper]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Primaris_Psyker

Very rare as they are basically at a lower risk of going kablooey to themselves and everything around them in a 30m radius

Psykers normally serve in something referred to as a choir, which is like a collection of psykers working together to use powers and prevent siblings from exploding/ becoming tentacle horror

[leaden thunder]

our psykers seem to have relatively strong will power but relatively weak psykic power

[wide tiger]

i kinda just want a horde clearing melee on psyker

[gilded viper]

I want a melee psyker

Unchained is the best career in VT2 and I won't be persuaded otherwise

[pine merlin]

would be interesting to see them have a staff that's more tuned to using in a melee function

[gilded viper]

Yah, I imagine it's for balance purposes mostly

[feral verge]

warrior priest of sigmar

best career

no contest

[gilded viper]

WP is fun, but it's a struggle to kill thing sometimes

Unchained is just swing fast with 50% dr at 90% heat

it's a blast, in multiple meanings

[delicate smelt]

"by the five rusting spires!"

[gilded viper]

AQSHYYY AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

I hope there's a decent amount of weapons in this update

[leaden thunder]

I am expecting at least 4

[gilded viper]

The Force Sword ima need to play with to feel about, and is the new Thunder Hammer just gonna be a damage focused Crusher or what?

[leaden thunder]

just a more cleave focused hammer

probably just be a better eviserator(ie the middle ground between the heavy sword and the current hammer)

[gilded viper]

Eviscerator is fun, but could get some love

[leaden thunder]

very much so

on both part

[gilded viper]

A single target Force Sword could be cool, if the charged heavy can do even more damage

Really though I want a Force 2 hander with a focus on CC and maybe a bit less single target

[pine merlin]

is precog any good on FS? Rolled a tier 4

[leaden thunder]

no

[gilded viper]

no

[pine merlin]

figured

[leaden thunder]

not at all unfortunately

[gilded viper]

Tragically, you basically just want Slaughterer and Deflector on FS

[leaden thunder]

bloodthirsty is good in place of deflector

[gilded viper]

yah

[leaden thunder]

if you want a more damage focused one

but good luck getting it

[pine merlin]

ok, yeah only has a tier 2 deflector and was hoping it could at least half ass it

[gilded viper]

t2 deflector is still fine

[leaden thunder]

t1 is the most important

everything after that is just extra

[gilded viper]

The power in Deflector is the ranged blocking not the BCR

[pine merlin]

ahhh ok. yeah that makes sense.

hmmm I don't think i have slaughterer yet

[gilded viper]

I still think Deflector should just be a thing FS has, no blessing needed

[delicate smelt]

if a melee can roll Slaughterer, its what youre aiming for. but yeah for FS deflector would be great for the second bless.

[pine merlin]

totally agree lol

[gilded viper]

You kill better by killing good, I do love me a win more button

[kind jay]

just do this if you want something that can horde clear on t5 and also delete specials from the game code

[pine merlin]

oh shit yeah.

[gilded viper]

You know, I don't think I've ever seen Bloodthirsty

Maybe I should buy and level some more grey swords

[leaden thunder]

it's t4 only

[pine merlin]

I just have tier 2 of that. So assuming i should just roll it to that for now.

[leaden thunder]

so good luck getting bloodthirsty

[gilded viper]

how lame

[restive slate]

So only Melk?

[leaden thunder]

you can get it from upgrades as well

but it's very rare

[gilded viper]

no lucky with gold upgrade

[leaden thunder]

like power cycler rare

[restive slate]

looks at my plasteel reserves

[leaden thunder]

what sucks

[gilded viper]

I'm always out of plasteel

[leaden thunder]

is that only the force sword one is good

[restive slate]

I did manage to get Power Cycler the other day from Melk

[leaden thunder]

as it grants 5 seconds of crits

the chain weapon version is only the next attack

[gilded viper]

imagine chain weapons being good

At least Chainsword doesn't hit like a club anymore

[pine merlin]

welp, here's what I can do with it so far.

[gilded viper]

Looks good to me, maybe swap that +maniacs for something idk

[pine merlin]

yeah I am clueless on perks

I wish I could see the stats of weapons beyond what they show.

[gilded viper]

+unarmored is good, I'd say maybe +infested for poxwalkers, or +flak for a large chunk of the cast

[north cradle]

I think you should keep Maniac

[lethal folio]

Flak/maniac on force sword.

You need maniac for important rager killpower.

[delicate smelt]

press V while highlighting the weapon in inventory then press tab.

[gilded viper]

I'm pretty sure charged heavy can still destroy a dreg rager without +maniac

[pine merlin]

what the fuck...how did i not know this lol

[delicate smelt]

i dont blame you , it can be easily missed.

[gilded viper]

You'd need to look at patch notes a while back, easy to miss.

[lethal folio]

If you have max warp charges and warp unleashed, or slaughterer stacks.

[pine merlin]

lol...thank you for correcting my hur dur sibling

[cyan notch]

not on its own

[lethal folio]

Maniac gives you leeway, and eventually you can do it with light specials.

[pine merlin]

is crit chance under finesse? Or am i blind here.

[leaden thunder]

nope

it's nowhere for most weapons

[pine merlin]

excellent

[delicate smelt]

pretty much

[leaden thunder]

some weapons (revolver and tac axe namely) have it listed under one of their stats

a good majority of weapons have +0% chance

so it just uses your class base chance

which for psyker is 5%

[pine merlin]

interesting. OK, good to know.

So glad I started asking questions around here.

[gilded viper]

sharpshooter has 10% for whatever reason

[pine merlin]

Melk has a tier 4 rampage on a duel sword....is that as good as it potentially sounds?

[hollow current]

tempted on this but the perks are eh so it'd only be good for blessing farming. 😫

[gilded viper]

is rampage the damage on cleave one?

[pine merlin]

hit 3 get 40% dmg for 3 secs

[gilded viper]

It's probably good, not familiar with ds blessing meta

[hollow current]

you have to push attack to get it with the V at least.

[safe crystal]

It can be annoying to proc it, you'd need to push attack often. Crits also tend to benefit DS more than most weapons. Its okay

[lethal folio]

I did comparisons of rampage with shred, and there was surprisingly not much difference.