i bet its amazing
#psyker-class
spice veldt
the very best
dire coral
Does anyone know anything about the new thrust wep then?? the swing animations of it?
spice veldt
there was an old trailer where it had the Obscurus' 2nd heavy (diagonal) and a heavy thrust
dire coral
Cept straight stab with heavy
spice veldt
it didn't show any lights, and something has probably changed since then
but what we do have is hopium that it'll bring something new to the table besides being an even more single-target version of our current force sword
dire coral
i got 10k plastic saved up for that puppy to try out
i wanna get rock hard from it
hopefully
spice veldt
we shall fuel our space endeavors with our hopium
conquer the galaxies
and obtain a good force sword mark (though our current one is pretty nice)
spice veldt
it's not impossible
dire coral
I just want something, anything, i just do thing for the hell of it at this point, got damn 600hrs in
i gotta do sum
potent echo
600 
spice veldt
yeah I've been just using the Obscurus for the entire time I've played psyker
spice veldt
their hordeclear leaves much to desire
I try to avoid using my staffs for hordeclear and stick to using my melee if I can
so my melee having decent hordeclear is a criteria that must be passed
quasi pier
Yea I tried to use force sword today after using antax for the last couple of weeks and.. it felt pretty bad
spice veldt
6 cleave on heavies does wonders for the force sword
esp with t3 slaughterer at max stacks providing 60% power
9.6 cleave heavies with 64 minimum cleave damage
quasi pier
I can't seem to find better than tier 2 slaughterer so that doesn't help
spice veldt
clearly a skill issue
spice veldt
and you need to roll some good stats on the force sword for it to hit certain breakpoints
fiery atlas
it's not bad but it's not good
spice veldt
and Warp Unleashed helps it feel a bit better
viral solstice
so what i want to know is who was the criminal
who started the antax push attack meme
quasi pier
But the fact that I have to charge the fs up after switching to it to kill elites messes up my flow
viral solstice
who is the culprit
viral solstice
unforgiven, and straight to hell
and u have to use the eviscerator
like its amazing how the force sword is exactly like the eviscerator except better in every conceivable way for more handsome gamers with cool fire
really makes u thonk
fiery atlas
yeah
viral solstice
thru the Computer
quasi pier
It uses premium fuel instead of regular unleaded
fiery atlas
i mean if ur an evis lover i respect it
hoping it gets a buff 
viral solstice
i mean if it doesnt the emperor is a lie
i knew it was bad but after running the numbers on it
ist uh
yeah
fiery atlas
only good thing it's got going imo is the special
viral solstice
and just testing it in various ways
fiery atlas
push attack is ok
potent echo
Is there a crowd clear combo for the evis 🤔
fiery atlas
horde clear with it is so sad
fiery atlas
Is there a crowd clear combo for the evis 🤔
yes
potent echo
None of them feel any good
fiery atlas
light+heavy
potent echo
Never push?
viral solstice
but its not a normal horde clear combo
fiery atlas
you can if you wanna
viral solstice
its horde clear (aspirational)
if u push attack on evis ur lowering ur damage
by a lot
potent echo
Horde clear perhaps
spice veldt
it can dream big ok
viral solstice
pure push attack on an evis takes about 20s to kill 20 poxwalkers
fiery atlas
doesn't matter since your job is to press the funny button and maul crushers to death
viral solstice
a grey force sword kills 20 poxwalkers in about 12 seconds
fiery atlas
potent echo
Funny button on mutant is the most satisfying
viral solstice
and yes same applies to push attack on antax
20 seconds to kill 20
idk where this meme started
but a shovel
literally spamming lights
the veteran shovel
kills 20 poxwalkers in 15s
fiery atlas
vet shovel light spam goes brrrrr
potent echo
Why ppl cooming on the antax
viral solstice
funny story
vet shovel lights have a 3 target damage cap
like the push attack
but dont cost stam and are 2x as fast
much too think about
stable silo
antrax feels diff with brut momen ?
viral solstice
ye ur lights hit infinitely
viral solstice
head dec
stacks per target hit so into a crowd instant full stacks
uhh
brutal momentum dec
rather
lol
potent echo
cyan notch
antax push attack cleaves a ton by default and staggers everything thats why people spammed it
spice veldt
only caveat being that the first swing will not proc multiple stacks if you cleave multiple targets it seems
you'll need to hit an enemy with a swing first, then the next swing(s) are able to proc decimator/headtaker multiple times if you cleave multiple enemies
so after pushing, your first light with brumo into a horde won't proc a bunch of decimator stacks because idk fatshark
viral solstice
antax push attack cleaves a ton by default and staggers everything thats why peo...
but ur lights stagger infinitely with bm
i do not understand how this even started
cyan notch
not in a mixed horde
fiery atlas
my current idea now is to spam evis so much that people look at me like the sword is good
viral solstice
i mean in some situations u push but thats not what people were doing
fiery atlas
and create a cult of evis users
viral solstice
they were spamming push attacks
cyan notch
it was just a brain off spam this move to never die kinda thing
viral solstice
full stop
cyan notch
normal horde mixed horde crusher horde just spam one move it staggers and cleaves everything
fiery atlas
@viral solstice what's the dodge count on evis btw
viral solstice
no idea ive only used it once
fiery atlas
potent echo
The mod will show it
fiery atlas
oh man pls don't be one
viral solstice
will be higher
fiery atlas
gotta install da mod
potent echo
Infinite fs dodges brrr
fiery atlas
will be higher
this is a FAT SHARK GAME
i'm going delusional
i will install the mod later 
potent echo
I never knew but dodge sliding actually takes two dodge counts 
fiery atlas
the warp has consumed me
near wyvern
Is there a crowd clear combo for the evis 🤔
push attack, heavy, light light repeat
cyan notch
but ur lights stagger infinitely with bm
the main thing was the move staggered all elites all specials and was extremely safe to spam and also cleaved a ton by default but that was also back when people didnt really know it only damaged 3 targets cuz it was still early days
cyan notch
clearly u didnt do ur job well enough
potent echo
I assume it's the same for chain axes?
cyan notch
this is going into your performance review
viral solstice
wtf
not again
if i get fired
im coming to ur house and replacing all ur jorts with jongs
cyan notch
wtf is a jong
cyan notch
viral solstice
dont u know about fashion
potent echo
👀
quasi pier
opens door
quietly closes door
wet jacinth
Wtf is happening in this chat right now
digital narwhal
Just 1 stat point short of 76% Burn for max stacks of Soulblaze, but-
Otherwise worth the pick up?
for 3k Smelk coins.
Hey wait, Smelk only has Oranges today
fallow meadow
Nice base? I have heard that warp res won't give you extra shot quite a long time ago.
spice veldt
nice stats, though you probably won't be able to get 4 full charges off without warp flurry
fallow meadow
Yeah I can't. You think better warp res can pull that off? It take 30% on a full charge.
spice veldt
yup
fallow meadow
So FatShark does fix trauma a bit then.
spice veldt
huh it turns out that you need basically 80% warp res for 4 full charges without flurry
rare furnace
Kim
spice veldt
at 80%, it's 20.25% peril for the charge and 4.20% for the cast, so 24.45% peril per cast
spam...with no...regard
olive ember
to my knowledge the eviscerator isn't that good or somethin
according to the zealots
fallow meadow
I have heard that it is very good on horde killing with the right blessing.
And with special for killing big things, it can take care quite alot.
viral solstice
i have some sad news
even with the good blessings it is among the worst horde clear weapons in the game
roughly on par with the all or nothing rashad and the light attack vet shovel
fiery atlas
yeah because it's ZEALOTS
they are spreading PROPAGANDA
THAT'S WHAT THEY DO!!!!
in all seriousness i do hope it gets a massive buff
it needs range + cleave dmg buff
fuck it
just buff everything on the weapon
INCLUDING PENETRATION
fallow meadow
I guess it is still on par with Thammer? Since it is not killing anything, just sending things flying.
olive ember
thammer with the right blessings can 4shot daemonhost solo
3 shot
2 shot if you wanna do setup and use a flamer to get slaughterer stacks before hand
golden tartan
thammer with the right blessings can 4shot daemonhost solo
Thammer is single target damage ye
Absolute garbage at doing damage to anything past the first target though
ember hornet
still CCs 16 hit mass per swing, but yeah the cleave damage curve is non existent
golden tartan
Ye the CC saves it in hordes
But wading through a horde is the most tedious thing u can do with a thammer
ember hornet
it's actually pretty easy cause so much stagger and push being really strong
you can just walk through a horde
golden tartan
Solo wading that is
Cos the guys behind you will get up and start smacking u in the ass
Its good if you are just buying time for people with better hordeclear weapons to clear
ember hornet
just gotta keep pushing forward and it's fine
like end of smelter you can just wade through sections to get to objective no problem
nice to have a higher mobility secondary too
uneven drift
Charge to full preferable.
feral verge
spice veldt
you usually don't need to charge it all the way for a horde n' all that; halfway or so is fine (depending on your damage roll, difficulty, and all that stuff)
but do charge it if you can
ember hornet
there is an uncharged spam soulblaze build but
it's not very good
void great though
olive ember
you wanna use atleast half charges
and then once warp flurry procs you can basically spam full charges
uncharged spam is only rly comparable if you use a macro and even then its kinda meme
spice veldt
something to note about is that charging also scales the cleave of the voidstrike
just from testing, uncharged shots have 2 cleave, and halfway charges have about 4 cleave
also, i'm 70% sure that swapping to a slaughterer FS lets you cleave a bit more
very cool
left briar
yiou boys like cleaving?
summer prairie
If you have flurry up and you are dealing with a horde, I think it's better to full charge
near wyvern
yiou boys like cleaving?
no but we like believing
spice veldt
i like to believe in the 2h force sword
fallow meadow
I am not putting much hope,
on that. I feels like it will have move set just like eviscerator.
olive ember
I mean the eviscerator sucks cuz stats
the moveset is kinda jank but so is just normal FS so
it cant be that bad
right
spice veldt
well it'll prob have a hordeclear combo at least
past parrot
I am not putting much hope,
on that. I feels like it will have move set just li...
Evis moveset is very manageable if you know the combos
all it lacks for me is cleave
fallow meadow
Maybe I am a bit harsh on it. Haven't try it again after I first have one.
The main point I remember is normal chain sword is just better back then.
ember hornet
evis is a bottom 3 zealot weapon atm
no cleave, no blessings, small damage
it's still viable, just undertuned
late yew
All staves you mean? I wonder if there is any point in using guns
Generally how important keeping 4 stacks of brain buster?
Does it reach any breakpoints?
Although i am forced to play low diff right now...
olive ember
All staves you mean? I wonder if there is any point in using guns
For fun and it’s viable
olive ember
Generally how important keeping 4 stacks of brain buster?
Depends on the build, generally it’s an after thought but extra damage and warp resist (if you run tranquility) is always nice
Certain builds like purge staff with AB revolve around 6 stacks of warp charge
It hits some breakpoints but honestly most of em aren’t that important in an actual game where you should have teammates also damaging any priority targets
spice veldt
an example where 4 warp charges do matter is for Bulwarks on damnation, where you need 4 warp charges to 2-shot them with Brain Burst
late yew
What is soulblaze?
leaden thunder
spicy burn
cyan moth
Fire
spice veldt
burn but cooler
spice veldt
:')
olive ember
late yew
Can i find reocmmended build somewhere?
safe crystal
an example where 4 warp charges do matter is for Bulwarks on damnation, where yo...
3 stacks is enough on damnation
spice veldt
i'm 90% sure that 3 warp charges isn't enough
safe crystal
I had to run the test just now to be sure, its 3
olive ember
BB, force staffs, force sword special attack
wet belfry
Force sword normal attacks, heavy attacks.
olive ember
Do they?
leaden thunder
they shouldn't for the regen
leaden thunder
but they do for the damage boost talent
leaden thunder
they are force weapon attacks
olive ember
For the lvl 5 feats?
leaden thunder
but not warp attacks
wet belfry
Oh wait i meant level 10 feat
olive ember
Yea
wet belfry
Warp unleashed
safe crystal
https://streamable.com/pcsh5u
I stand corrected, it was the goddamn flayer proccing i didnt notice while i ran it 
olive ember
I stand corrected, it was the goddamn flayer proccing i didnt notice while i ran...
Lmao the good ole flayer proccing off BB
olive ember
I hope they buff it.
They’d have to buff everything else across the board then otherwise too strong
Essence harvest is 30% non stacking
olive ember
And quell peril is like 5% for 10% peril, so at max you only get like 25% back in one go if you press F
safe crystal
I need to get back into this game at some point, maybe after the new weapons are released
olive ember
So if they buff warp absorption they would have to buff literally the toughness feats across the board
wet belfry
The feat itself may possibly be flawed.
Theres not alot of pinch situations where you can use warp attacks to regenerate toughness.
It also requires using the staff over any other weapon.
olive ember
Eh it’s good on purge and voidstrike and serviceable on trauma tbh
Literally just take a step back and do a half charge
And that’s enough to kill most trash
pine merlin
I was gonna say, keeps me real alive with that voidstrike charge
olive ember
And if not they’ll be CC’ed long enough to do another charge
And yeah you can also just melee for toughness
spice veldt
whereas with Quietude, you can take your sweet time healing up with no particular time pressure
olive ember
Zealots nowadays run EWEW so they rely on killing to generate any form of burst toughness
spice veldt
if I'm a situation where I can kill trash with my staff, I can probably kill them with my melee
and if they're far enough away from my melee, that means I have space to quell (unless it's an open space and you're surrounded by ranged enemies)
olive ember
Eh honestly the only standout situation where toughness on demand is good imo is against shooters
spice veldt
yup
olive ember
You can quickly quell to gain some toughness back to tank another shooter burst
But besides that it’s kinda meh imo
I run it anyways cuz surge staff
spice veldt
and they're really the slowest part of the game unless you have a bunch of zealots on your team or competent shooters
and I usually kill the bulk of shooters at the start of engagements where my toughness is already maxxed out
in most cases, the shooters are too split up and I really only catch 1-3 shooters in my epicentre each time
wet belfry
Is the shooter situation really though where players should be gearing for?
Like are shooters alone really what kills people?
spice veldt
i find it to be the slowest section of any game, so I personally fear for it (I also gear for it)
pine merlin
Like are shooters alone really what kills people?
i've been melted before by em, but it's kinda inconsistent to be honest.
olive ember
Shooters are the only scary thing besides those shitty poxhounds on high difficulty
spice veldt
I also don't use my staff for hordeclear and actively avoid doing so
if I can melee, I will melee
I'll probably pick warp absorption once we get a melee that can truly take advantage of it though
wet belfry
I personally belive that events are usally where most of the dangers in the game come from
olive ember
Eh they are only dangerous when they spawn shooters in
wet belfry
But events frequently have multiple differnent enemys in them.
olive ember
That’s why the easiest events are typically long ranged ones where you see them coming and there’s cover and time to kill em
spice veldt
I run the Trauma staff which can be extremely disruptive to my teammates, so I try not to use it
and I can also use the trauma staff to make space for me to quell the peril that I just generated from making space
ember hornet
yeah the endgame is building to mitigate shooters, nothing else is much of a threat outside of disablers
olive ember
The worst ones are always the ones where shooters show up randomly right behind you and start spraying
Shooters and shot gunners
spice veldt
the midevent of the ammo raid is probably where warp absorption would really come in handy
olive ember
The only other really scary thing would be special spam imo
But that’s like rarer and easier to stay on top of
wet belfry
Specials usally have far more consistent timers in when they spawn
twilit flicker
I actually think poxwalkers and unfinished scab kills are the worst, personally. People love to focus on the specials or rush through I get left behind a lot.
wet belfry
Waves of shooters can feel unpredictable, often are unpredictable.
olive ember
I actually think poxwalkers and unfinished scab kills are the worst, personally....
Eh it becomes second nature to me head on a swivel if I hear a sound and I’m not confident I just block cuz 360 block
Or dodge
Snipers and trappers I dodge instinctively based on sound
But yeah the only time I find myself really needing to fall back are A) shooters or B) beast of nurgle
The only scary thing about horde rly is just getting body blocked while scarier shit kills you
spice veldt
i also like to wander away from my team, so I can't rely on coherency regeneration a lot of the time, so having quietude to regenerate toughness while I'm alone is very nice
olive ember
It’s too slow to rly affect much against shooters is the problem
spice veldt
it's decently fast enough for me, mostly because I run a low warp res force sword
olive ember
When one hit chunks like 30 toughness gaining like 10 back from quelling 20 peril won’t be much of a game changer
Maybe idk
spice veldt
I can get to 98% peril with three specials pretty quickly by just activating my special, swapping to another weapon and back to cancel my special, and etc. to generate peril to quell
broken quail
Weapon swap cancel to generate peril? Consider me intrigued
olive ember
Press special swap weapon repeat until enough peril
spice veldt
teammates hate this one trick for generating peril!
olive ember
Makes you go kablooey
mortal crest
Does anyone know why the 100% Peril explosion does absolutely fuckall damage?
mortal crest
I softened up a group of 4 gunners with Trauma to do the garbage penance and it did absolutely nothing to them when I ran over.
mortal crest
You gotta be basically inside em
Bruhhhhh
Why even nerf that?! It's not useful for anything but the penance!
mortal crest
Real
olive ember
Welcome to darktide!
spice veldt
damn it really got nerfed?
late yew
Duel sword seems really nice?
olive ember
damn it really got nerfed?
A while back yeah
mortal crest
Who asked for that lmfao
mortal crest
I could see it being viable if it did something stupid like 3k damage.
But it doesn't.
pine merlin
I'll probably pick warp absorption once we get a melee that can truly take advan...
it should be though, for like emergencies, but I agree the nerf was stupid as hell.
oopps
olive ember
Also I think the explosion shit is inconsistent
spice veldt
tsk tsk
mortal crest
The radius feels kinda iffy sometimes.
pine merlin
I mean to say the self ploding
olive ember
If that’s how it works the. It’s dumb
spice veldt
smh nerfing psyker's suicide builds
mortal crest
Someone mentioned one shotgunner soaking all the damage at one point
I tested it with the creature spawner mod against a few dreg gunners.
Equally spaced 3 out into a triangle and it definitely doesn't spread damage equally.
One of them died, a second one was pretty low, and a third one was practically fine.
Could just be a problem with my testing, but that's mad annoying.
olive ember
Just know that the falloff is rly harsh so
Yeah they gotta be like hugging each other
pine merlin
ok so I am running the first one at the moment and got the second one, I haven't been able to notice a huge benefit with running the surge bless with the lower stats vs other one. Any thoughts?
mortal crest
What're the two useful ones? It's like focused channeling and something else.
olive ember
Warp flurry + transfer peril for voidstrike
mortal crest
I see.
olive ember
If you insist on memeing you can use a crit strike memestrike build
pine merlin
ok, for some reason i thought I heard people saying surge was OP or something
olive ember
Which would be warp nexus + blazing spirit or surge
olive ember
ok, for some reason i thought I heard people saying surge was OP or something
Nah this was a while back when people didn’t know cuz it was rare AF
Surge turns out is kinda mid
Not trash but mid af
pine merlin
Nah this was a while back when people didn’t know cuz it was rare AF
ok, was gonna say it seemed rather a let down lol
olive ember
Cuz voidstrike base crit is 5% meaning if you want use out of stuff like blazing spirit and surge you need nexus
But at that point you are giving up both flurry and transfer peril
mortal crest
Surge turns out is kinda mid
Is it because mutants are avoidable and you can pop bursters through walls with trauma?
pine merlin
yeah. I like tranfer peril, just don't have the tier 4 yet.
olive ember
Is it because mutants are avoidable and you can pop bursters through walls with ...
Surge blessing on voidstrike, actual surge staff is great
Even if no one thinks so anymore >.>
mortal crest
It's a staff I like seeing on my team, but I won't use it.
spice veldt
surge has a rather low target count and severe damage falloff
pine merlin
ok, good to know. sustained i don't think is good, but the alternative was run and gun lol
olive ember
Lol yeah that’s big rip
But yeah meta blessings for voidstrike is warp flurry + transfer peril
pine merlin
so made due. but good to know to not waste time rolling for surge, thanks
olive ember
Flurry for faster charge which is both more damage and less peril gained
And transfer peril is transfer peril
I’d say you could recycle the staff I guess for surge
In case it ever gets buffed you have a t4 on standby
pine merlin
yeah for sure.
olive ember
Especially since surge blessing is like super rare but yeah
mortal crest
I keep spam buying gray Trauma staffs to get a properly good one, but my luck on it is pretty poor.
Stuck with this lmao
olive ember
I mean it’s not… bad
mortal crest
On Zealot and Vet I swear to god I roll a 370+ every other buy.
mortal crest
I mean it’s not… *bad*
Nah, it's not that bad, but I'd like to have something a bit less dogwater in terms of quell speed.
Though I usually use the Force Sword for that so you can dodge infinitely while quelling.
olive ember
They buffed staff quelling iirc so now you should quell with staff like 80% of the time
Tho yeah I also use FS quell with infinite dodges
mortal crest
If they're pew pewing le sword is cash.
Unfortunately I only have deflector 1.
But it's good 'nough.
You at all excited about the new sword for Psyker?
Call me pessimistic but I feel like it's gonna be "meh"
uneven drift
Who wants another single target melee weapon.
mortal crest
Exactly my thoughts.
spice veldt
i'm fine with a different attack combo
mortal crest
"Hey guys it does the thing that other one also does."
spice veldt
as long as it has 6 cleave on its heavies
mortal crest
i'm fine with a different attack combo
That's fair.
spice veldt
6 cleave is all i need
pine merlin
Call me pessimistic but I feel like it's gonna be "meh"
I feel like the current one does good single target on charge, can't see it being better enough to switch, but could be wrong.
olive ember
It’s a single target variant of a sword that already does single target
So like I’m not particularly hyped
It’s gonna be funny if they somehow screw up tho and the “single target” variant actually does more hoard clearing
pine merlin
It’s gonna be funny if they somehow screw up tho and the “single target” variant...
in a way, I would kinda love that.
uneven drift
It's FS, so pretty high chances on that.
olive ember
We’ll see I suppose
uneven drift
I'm more interested in new Thammer, but have no hopes it would be better than current. If they will sacrifice single target dmg for horde clear it's kinda eh.
But, there are more than 2 weapons according to CatFish, so maybe psykers will get something else.
uneven drift
Vet's don't need new weapons since they have power sword already, pretty hard to make something more busted than this shit.
pine merlin
you think they gonna branch into bio shit for psykers?
olive ember
Prob not idek
grizzled jasper
Vet's don't need new weapons since they have power sword already, pretty hard to...
Can’t wait for my new 2 handed hammer for vet
olive ember
Technically in code the psykinetic class is considered the “biomancer”
olive ember
Can’t wait for my new 2 handed hammer for vet <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207...
2 handed power sword, vet only
Watch zealots mald
grizzled jasper
spice veldt
watch me mald
uneven drift
And another shovel variant for ogryn.
honest frigate
you think they gonna branch into bio shit for psykers?
doesnt the current psyker class already have biomancer lighting from the surge staff
grizzled jasper
I’d laugh so hard if they make the two weapons that were revealed vet only
honest frigate
i think its gonna be different
mortal crest
2 handed power sword, vet only
To be fair, if Zealots had that it'd be disgusting.
More so than on Vet.
pine merlin
all i know is they need to give the ogryn a back pack for me to ride around in an zap zap zap
mortal crest
Real
uneven drift
Power dildo for psykers, i tell you, this shit is real.
honest frigate
Power dildo for psykers, i tell you, this shit is real.
hype
mortal crest
Aw hell naw man.
pine merlin
doesnt the current psyker class already have biomancer lighting from the surge s...
I'm not sure if that is the same thing or not, but I was meaning like biosword and what not.
olive ember
Oh no clue
grizzled jasper
Power dildo for psykers, i tell you, this shit is real.
Buzzin buzzin buzzin
olive ember
But yeah technically this psyker class we have is called biomancer in code
honest frigate
but then i dont get why the psykinetic has biolighting in the first place
grizzled jasper
Buzz buzz buzz
pine merlin
But yeah technically this psyker class we have is called biomancer in code
oh ok
uneven drift
Buzzin buzzin buzzin
Don't control me...
pine merlin
levitate eh eh eh?
mortal crest
WTF is going on
honest frigate
doesnt psykinetic mean being able to control the psychic side of a person or smth?
grizzled jasper
IM LOSInG CONTROL
honest frigate
makes sense the psyker has brainburst
olive ember
Idk but yeah our powers kinda align with biomancer apparently
mortal crest
This is a first
Genuinely surprised.
uneven drift
WTF is going on
Don't you like to wank to your sibling while holding power dildo?
olive ember
Except we can’t heal ourselves
honest frigate
Idk but yeah our powers kinda align with biomancer apparently
goofy
mortal crest
Don't you like to wank to your sibling while holding power dildo?
Can't say I do.
honest frigate
Except we can’t heal ourselves
lets be honest, fatshark is never going to add that because it'd be too meta
pine merlin
Tbf half the people here are vet mains
isn't that all the class chats?
olive ember
I mean
mortal crest
I get too bored too fast to "main" anything. I just play whatever's not boring until it gets boring again.
olive ember
Zealot chat is mostly zealot mains
normal sequoia
Any gunpsykers here wanna advise me which one of these two should I spend my refine/rebless mats on? Should I go for Damage over Stopping Power or vice versa?
olive ember
Ogryn chat is ogryn chat
grizzled jasper
I’m a plasma main I’m practically a psyker
honest frigate
havent used shredder pistols much but im assuming stopping power affects the stagger
grizzled jasper
havent used shredder pistols much but im assuming stopping power affects the sta...
Stopping power is damage collateral is staggering
honest frigate
collateral is how much the bullet can penetrate through hordes, no?
grizzled jasper
Does it affect stagger? No idea with fs weird coding
olive ember
Depends on weapon maybe
Like finesse on FS affects swing speed and crit chance but on axe it affects damage against enemy types or wte
grizzled jasper
collateral is how much the bullet can penetrate through hordes, no?
Never thought of that but I’d say no
honest frigate
thats what comes to mind when i hear "collateral" anyway
stopping power would logically affect stagger but if it doesnt
it is what it is
mortal crest
Damn it'd be crazy if the stats weren't ambiguous as shit lmao
normal sequoia
so uh.. guessing I should go with the 80% damage one then? 😄
honest frigate
Fatshark devs "try not to make the stats difficult to understand" impossible challenge
normal sequoia
since I'd defo will make use of the pining fire blessing, so I guess that's the best combination
grizzled jasper
Fatshark devs "try not to make the stats difficult to understand" impossible cha...
Also fs “stalkers aren’t shooters even though they shoot”
honest frigate
so uh.. guessing I should go with the 80% damage one then? 😄
my personal opinion: yes not to mention that one has higher power rating as well
mortal crest
Also fs “stalkers aren’t shooters even though they shoot”
And it just so happens they're the most dangerous non-gunner/Reaper shooters too.
Makes sense, uhuh.
spice veldt
scab stalkers aren't too bad; it's the scab shooters (green eyes) that'll fuck your hp up
normal sequoia
Right now I have the the best shredder autopistols on my zealot and psyker... but ironically not THE class for shooting, which is the vet. Since RNG hates me there 
grizzled jasper
And it just so happens they're the most dangerous non-gunner/Reaper shooters too...
I should make a SpongeBob wallet meme out of it
mortal crest
I should make a SpongeBob wallet meme out of it
Real
olive ember
Right now I have the the best shredder autopistols on my zealot and psyker... bu...
Same
olive ember
scab stalkers aren't too bad; it's the scab shooters (green eyes) that'll fuck y...
Nah bs scab stalkers don’t show up on counter fire and that makes em 50x worse
gilded viper
Just imbrace gunpsyker
mortal crest
Ah yes, the Lead/Laser Strike Staffs.
river sand
dreg shooters are more annoying
wide oxide
Think I could get a gang to cooperate with for this garbage?
worn cypress
could post a lfg in the lfg channels
I see people doing penances together all the time
wide oxide
Oh yeah, that'd... be better
hybrid solstice
Think I could get a gang to cooperate with for this garbage?
If you can get just one shield ogryn to go into a level and tank a daemonhost for you while you BB it to death that would be enough, assuming you are comfortable with 2-manning a heresy mission
neat sand
If you can get just one shield ogryn to go into a level and tank a daemonhost fo...
The bots will attack the dh so it's 4man or no man 🙂
honest frigate
true
neat sand
Unless you find a way to kill them first lol
wide oxide
(Let them kill themselves)
velvet crescent
you fellas ever see a daemonhost in the middle of a firefight and you're sweating/trying not to catch the thing in your line of fire
then the bot angers it anyways
neat sand
Tho to be fair finding 3 people who want there heresy achievement and helping each other is not a bad thing I did it for mine 🙂
velvet crescent
i was very tempted to leave the bot there to his fate
honest frigate
whats the best sword for cleave?
velvet crescent
i saved the psyker tho
honest frigate
90% of the time i only play psyker
Ogryn doesnt have much weapon variety to keep me entertained
veteran is your average shooter main (boring)
Zealot has a cool hammer atleast
gilded viper
Bb and ult made me stay on psyker
Everytime I play vet or zealot I press G and like "oh yeah no bb 
"
velvet crescent
for me its like
honest frigate
massive copium
velvet crescent
"oh shit that's right bb is unlimited"
spice veldt
free money
gilded viper
See crusher
Monkey brain : press g
honest frigate
with that one lvl 30 feat (i think) i can spam 4-5 BBs in a quick succession
works great
elites byebye
gilded viper
My favorite one to run with gunpsyker
honest frigate
gunpsyker...
gilded viper
Yes
kind jay
we like bullet staff
gilded viper
Don't knock it till u try it
honest frigate
i'd try it but then i couldnt equip my purgatus staff
if i could equip 2 rangeds i would
but i cant
honest frigate
except with limited ammo
gilded viper
Stave in this game just isn't as fun as sienna is my main problem with it
gilded viper
But I like psyker kit so 
kind jay
if youre using up 600 ammo thats an aiming issue
kind jay
good
honest frigate
i use essence harvest
gilded viper
It weapons dependant I feel
spice veldt
you'll absolutely wreck anything with flak with the force sword special
kind jay
or just anything, period
spice veldt
the damage with the special compared to normal combos is actually fairly comparable; just that the special staggers the enemy you hit
velvet crescent
it's just low difficulties aye but i find that force sword ain't that bad vs crushers
spice veldt
the stagger is really the shining star of the FS special
kind jay
it stuns them for the entire duration
velvet crescent
oh, huh
kind jay
while also melting them
spice veldt
and deals a stronger stagger at the very end
leaden thunder
I mean it actually does damage to them
lethal folio
Burst into force heavy is usually enough to kill
olive ember
Btw @spice veldt @safe crystal I am considering revising MetaPsykerTM to use a revolver 🤔
Thoughts?
spice veldt
who put me on the committee
spice veldt
aaaaaaa
since you use the surge staff, you're prob fine with using melee a lot, so it'll work I suppose
have fun reloading all the time though
olive ember
Kek
safe crystal
It'd still be stronger than the autogun, but not by much
Low ammo, reload etc, and brain burst exists to already deal with whatever revolver tries to do
kind jay
revolver was great in t3 because you could insta-kill whatever you wanted without stopping melee
once it stops one shotting its meh
void mural
I really struggled to like the revolver because it's lack of damage per magazine vs the super slow reload time
safe crystal
Gave up after one burst, and never used it again
spice veldt
infantry autogun's pretty good if you can hit the one-shot headshot breakpoint on shooters with perks n whatnot
kind jay
the idea is to noscope specials mostly, not really a use all the time gun
spice veldt
*referring to the agripinaa specifically
not whatever horrendous variant the metapsykerbuildtm was using
safe crystal
Well, we run the peashooter on metapsykerTM, so theres that
Takes 4 shots to kill a shooter
void mural
Yeah, I like agrip infantry autogun
safe crystal
Anything that isnt the graia autogun = upgrade in my eyes
void mural
Ha, I don't think I've tried anything but the agrip out if thr infantry autoguns. Was the first one I got, and then when I looked at all the other marks, they just seem inferior
They all do less damage per shot, and don't seem to have any other upsides?
spice veldt
Anything that isnt the graia autogun = upgrade in my eyes
how about recon lasguns? hehe
safe crystal
At least they have a manageable recoil, so i can kill things
olive ember
It’s easier to use and provides better horde clear
void mural
Yeah, recons are fun, but man do they eat ammo
olive ember
And since psyker can fall back on his BB it’s arguably better imo
Still weak as shit but yeah
spice veldt
true; just tested it and the VID is not too bad against shooters
well, unarmoured dreg
olive ember
Technically speaking it’s the weakest but god damn idk what aim bot you are using to land only headshots with autoguns like the Columnus
void mural
I really like HH mk 7, but even with max stability, it's hard to snipe thing if you've got more than 1 thing at range to kill
spice veldt
the crack cocaine that is vet's F
olive ember
Is there a worse gun than the Columnus infantry tho
Always wondered
I think genuinely the revolver cuz it’s 5 shots and gone
olive ember
Prob can’t one shot anything past normal shooters
It’s been a while since we rolled the MetaPsykerTM yeah
void mural
Yeah, what's the point of that gun? Every time I see one, it just looks like crap
olive ember
It’s just not good
But statistically it’s better than recon las
Just that recon las is easier to use and in an actual game prob better imo
void mural
Ha, so I'm not wrong in my judgement of it being crap based on just looking at its stats
olive ember
Idk cuz technically you can two tap heads with the Columnus IAG but idk how tf you are doing it in an actual game where they are hiding in cover and shooting back
Where as recon you just hold m1
void mural
Or just take an agrip and 1 tap heads or 2 tap bodies
olive ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
void mural
I will say that recon is fun
olive ember
But yeah dunno if the Columnus IAG vs recon las vs revolver which one is the worst
void mural
I really feel like a ton of problems for the revolver could be fixed if they just gave it a speed loader animation and way cut down the reload time
It's not a bad feeling/handling gun outside of its reload time
I really want to enjoy it, but the downtime for the revolver compared to the uptime is just too much
olive ember
🤔
gilded viper
Recon gun is good 
(I'm 1000% bias since I mainly use vld on psyker)
Love the brrrrr
leaden thunder
gilded viper
olive ember
Is it worse than the Columnus and the revolver tho? @leaden thunder
gilded viper
I feel like it decent* but yeah for me fun > the fact it ammo is eh
leaden thunder
it's100% worse then the columnus
leaden thunder
it's probably technically better then the revolver
gilded viper
Honesty idk what the problem with it tbh, feel like it do decent damsge and u can hit all your shot with low recoil, only downside that is noticeable is it ammo if u spam it too much which I tend to just use bb a bit more then stick on the gun 24/7
leaden thunder
but the revolver has a different use case
olive ember
What use case is that again
olive ember
Honesty idk what the problem with it tbh, feel like it do decent damsge and u ca...
Technically time to kill and ammo efficiency
gilded viper
Point and stun X Enemy
olive ember
Does like 1/4 the dmg of Columnus
The only problem is I don’t see in an actual game you hitting shit in the head all the time
With the Columnus which is what makes it decent
Since it only has like a 30 mag and a slow af reload
gilded viper
Maybe I am just a full auto head 
spice veldt
part of the problem is also prob the terrible sights
if it had a proper sight, I'd like it since I'm a sucker for fast RoF weapons
olive ember
I mean iirc the only gun with actually good sights are the mk 12
Everything else is shitty iron sights or worse
leaden thunder
I think the only weapon I have actual issues with the sights is like the hellbores
gilded viper
That fair. I sometime lose my target cause of rhe recon flash covering the enemy
leaden thunder
but I haven't used the recons in a while
spice veldt
i find the infantry autoguns to be passable
gilded viper
Recon is kinda too flat I guess idk how to describe it
lethal folio
VId is the fastest running gun and has decent bigguy dps thanks to burn.
olive ember
Still trash since they nerfed infernus
gilded viper
Infernys is ok but sadge for bosses
gilded viper
I remember from my testing a while sgo it had a 1.1 dps against reaper but idk how good that is compare to other guns
olive ember
Ik there was a clip where a recon did like a quarter of a reapers health to the face where a Columnus did like 2/3 or wte
wide tiger
i think one recon is better close up and one is far away
leaden thunder
it's one of the fast firing ones
wide tiger
also the VIIa i believe has 1 punchthrough
gilded viper
Idk what the vld good for
lethal folio
VId has reverse falloff
lethal folio
VIIa has 1.8 cleave because it is a copy of the II but with 900 power instead of 500
gilded viper
The slow pnr
lethal folio
slowest
gilded viper
One
gilded viper
Tbf all guns in this gsme really do be like slow= best dps
leaden thunder
only one that seems to break that is the hellbores
gilded viper
Lasgun mk12, that one brace gun and auto gun
leaden thunder
oh and for headhunters
with the slowest being the agri and being the worse
I think
olive ember
I think 7 is the best but only because infernus is bad
Back before infernus nerf 6 was the best
wide tiger
yeah both vraks HH good, agri pretty bad
viral solstice
for hellbores if carapace was more of a big deal 3 would be more aprpeciated
its just nobody gives a shit about carapace
so 3s niche is irrelevant
wide tiger
no one cares about carapace because zealots F, psykers G, and vets Psword
gilded viper
So not enough carapace enemy 
viral solstice
i mean ya shovel is always i win
viral solstice
bulwark shields arent anything
and then the other bits its just like
bulwarks have some tiny carapace plates on them
like the shoulder
but its not really carapace its more like booby prize if u hit them there
safe crystal
and then whatever iwin button ogryn has idk i dont play ogryn
Grenade gauntlet is usually pretty good against carapace
lethal folio
Ogryn either just hits through carapace with no problem or has rending to back him up.
olive ember
I mean can opener is going bye bye so yea
kind jay
thunk em in the head with rumbler
void mural
I mean can opener is going bye bye so yea
What's happening to can opener?
olive ember
What's happening to can opener?
Was bugged such that it would apply to ranged attacks
leaden thunder
getting buffed and fixed
olive ember
But yeah they are making it not apply to ranged attacks
So you can’t just spray down a crusher with the ripper gun
void mural
Oh, lol! I didn't even know that was a thing
Welp, looks like i missed out if that is getting fixed in the "March patch"
At least its intended use is getting buffed?
void mural
Lol, classic FS lying tooltips
void mural
Dafuq
leaden thunder
only one case of this was actually changed to match what it actually does
and that is rending shockwave on the truama staff
void mural
So, +rending is actually team wide buff
void mural
Ohhhh
void mural
So, what is +rending %? Just 5%?
leaden thunder
depends
each stack of brittlness is 5% iirc
but if it's a % rending on a blessing (ie on uncanny strike)
lethal folio
It is the exact same debuff
void mural
though a large portion of weapons that have it
Yeah, its so dumb. Combat axes have an amazing %rending on kill perk that's just useless because it's on combat axes
wide tiger
What happens when you have max rending and the enemy has brittleness too?
leaden thunder
then it works off that % in the description
leaden thunder
lethal folio
Then you can do extra damage
lethal folio
You would deal up to 140% of your damage difference as extra.
leaden thunder
really?
void mural
Does rending/brittleness actually do something for high AP weapons? Or just still brings you closer to 100% dmg if you're below 100%?
lethal folio
leaden thunder
it's damage reduction reduction
void mural
Yeah, so it's still the same thing? Mostly useless on high AP weapons
wide tiger
Probably why plasma gun and rending impact be pretty bad
void mural
Yeah, does literally nothing
wide tiger
thats how i figured it worked anyways
void mural
Since they do over 100% dmg to carapace
void mural
I think Sean just said it's not brittleness on rending shockwave
lethal folio
It's good if you feel like saving some ammo on plasma.
leaden thunder
rending shockwave got it's description changed to be correct
void mural
It's good if you feel like saving some ammo on plasma.
How does it save ammo? If you're doing 116% dmg to carapace, rending isn't going to change anything?
leaden thunder
shot something once then melee it
lethal folio
You stop shooting and whack it in the face.
void mural
rending shockwave got it's description changed to be correct
Oh, you mean it was changed to brittleness?
Oh, haha
It doesn't help the gun, just other finishing attacks
I don't really understand why they gave plasma gun ammo. Every other overheat mechanic in every tide game hasn't involved ammo
It's not like it'd be OP. You still have venting limiting your damage potential with it, and it's the only venting that still actually hurts you in darktide
stable hare
Ey psyker chads, i'm leveling my psyker and i'm wondering what staves you would recommend to me
stable hare
tried all of them, voidstrike seemed the worst to me (low level), trauma was okay, surge was good enough and purge was giving me headaches after 2 maches
kind jay
sounds like you found your answer
kind jay
i would say try out the staves again at max level with at least 1 of their bis blessings
gilded viper
^
kind jay
game changes a lot for a lot of these with good rolls
stable hare
Will do. Does anyone else get kinda motion sick from the purge staff? Its so weird
that blue light in contrast with the darkness of the game deletes me
kind jay
it brightens up the screens a lot for everyone
gilded viper
It can get blinding but first time I'm hearing motion sickness
kind jay
theres a mod to disable screen effects but im not sure if purge effects are in there
kind jay
ah ok fair
gilded viper
Gfn?
stable hare
geforce now, nvidias cloud gaming service
cause my brick pc can't handle darktide with more than 25-30 fps
@gilded viper
gilded viper
Aaah
olive ember
Both depending on situation
gilded viper
I like charging if I'm vs flank armor enemy's but spam on other since it might as well be 0 damage
late yew
It seems to have really bad damage?
leaden thunder
it does against anything that isn't flak
late yew
So force staff does mroe damage?
gilded viper
Inspect it, damage on anything but flank is (make sure u looking at the secondary move)
gilded viper
So force staff does mroe damage?
Which staff u mean?
kind jay
theres not a specific "look". you can go into the meat grinder to see which enemy parts are what armor
though i guess if it kinda looks like armor its usually flak. carapace is basically crushers
gilded viper
Gotta give me the name, there void, surge, purg and trauma , since all of those are techinally "force staves"
leaden thunder
one notable execption as well is scab flamers
as they are maniac
for some reason
leaden thunder
bulwark
leaden thunder
oh without the shield
flat shadow
he's annoying without a psyker
leaden thunder
without the shield is crusher
leaden thunder
crushers are entirely carapace
viral solstice
crushers are entirely crusher
late yew
Also should you spam brain buster on bosses?
late yew
Gotta give me the name, there void, surge, purg and trauma , since all of those ...
I meant trauma
gilded viper
sorry if my lack on stave is low but tramua kinda just work on everything really
leaden thunder
it do
gilded viper
how u going to hit weakspot, NO CLUE but hey it there
leaden thunder
the infested damage is kinda insulting tho
20 damage short of 1 shotting poxies on damn
gilded viper
infested barely have HP anyways right?
leaden thunder
you need like 1-2 warp charges for it
which isn't a big deal
but it's still dumb
wintry plover
Which perk should I replace with flak damage?
summer prairie
Do you want more sweet overkill damage and yellow circles or slight utility
twilit flicker
Far left could be Purge with Nexus
twilit flicker
Lol it had to be fire!
wide tiger
was far right with a revolver
gilded viper
was far right with a revolver
revolver psyker 
i try that once and it so depressing 😦
it fun to use but man it alot of work
wide tiger
I dont understand the appeal of a revolver if you have BB but idk
wide tiger
Does it feel good to reload
gilded viper
but ammo make it kinda and it having bad damage on manaic
with speed loader ngl it good
but needing to slide make it so clucky
had t4 speed loader on psyker and it was fun but slding is so inconstant
devout axle
When you mix Ketchup and Yellow Mustard together, is it Ketchtard or Mustup?
wide tiger
i mean i slide and reload a lot as is
if you slide does it give you a buff window
or do you actually have to be sliding while reloading
late yew
Should you spam brain bust on bosses?
gilded viper
depend on loadout tbh
devout axle
Your DPS will be generally higher if you spam BB on bosses. That said, it feels really bad to do this without Kinetic Barrage.
wide tiger
cerebral lacerations giving your whole team (yourself included) a 25% damage bump is pretty worth
unless you have a nice gun and nurgle is showing you her ass
devout axle
Lacerations is worth in general just for the extra breakpoints on Ogryn.
It's a good feat. All the feats of that level are good.
wide tiger
just talkin bout bosses
i think i only use lacerations on gun psyker
but i agree solid feat
gilded viper
i think i only use lacerations on gun psyker
been trying the CD on and it fun spaming KB back to back on gun psyker
devout axle
Also neat fact. Lacerations buffs DoT damage, so you can inch some extra damage out of Soulburn effects.
Or help your Zealot flamer down big guys. Whatever you feel is more relevent.
karmic reef
Theres no way to respec skills right?
leaden thunder
huh