and I can swap out the poxwalker
#psyker-class
olive ember
wide tiger
true
olive ember
now the question is
do I want to transfer t3 deflector
or should I wait for a t4
wide tiger
I mean you're always gonna want slaughterer 4 so may as well put w/e you want, not like you cant change it out easily enough
potent echo
I've yet to see any slaughterer on FS
grizzled jasper
wouldnt it be nice if fs fks up something and gives us ogryn stubber
viral solstice
luckily u get shredder pistol with pinning blaze
which is... well... a lot better
lacks the same feeling tho
grizzled jasper
ogryn chaddar pistol wen
you may hit stuff and kill many things
BUT
can you dakka?
nocturne badge
unsure if the one in melk's shop is worth the upgrade
hybrid solstice
hmm, what perks would you guys say are best for force sword?
kind jay
ogryn dual wielding psykers dual wielding beam staves?
cloud sequoia
damn you melk why not on zealot
nocturne badge
damn you melk <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> why not on zealot
the mk7 tac axe is one of my prefered psyker weapons
it just feels nice to use
swap carapace for flak
cloud sequoia
achylls also good
nocturne badge
spice veldt
hmm, what perks would you guys say are best for force sword?
+Maniac is the most important perk imo for muties and dreg ragers;
The second perk is whatever is convenient to you. I would personally pick +Carapace as my second perk for nuking crushers.
cloud sequoia
nice
nocturne badge
the mk4 is ok too, but it doesn't have a horizontal heavy swing and the upward diagonal swings in it's light combo make it harder to hit heads than the mk7
hybrid solstice
+Maniac is the most important perk imo for muties and dreg ragers;
The second pe...
i see i see
nocturne badge
💩
hybrid solstice
i like exorcist on force sword
nocturne badge
tbh i don't really like forceswords
their special is nice, but they just don't hold up against hordes
you can push and dodge, but ultimately you're not killing much with it's regular hits
steel flame
we just had one hell of a spicy mission
hybrid solstice
their special is nice, but they just don't hold up against hordes
that's what you have purgatus for :^)
potent echo
How does exorcist work when it comes to "repeated weakspot hits"
nocturne badge
you have to land one weak spot hit, then subsequent weak spot hits quell x%
if you miss the head, you have to land another headshot to restart it
it's kinda annoying tbh
hybrid solstice
basically just smack heads yeah
spice veldt
as long as one weakspot is hit in your cleave, then it'll count
and you can proc exorcist multiple times off of a single cleave if you hit multiple weakspots
force sword is pretty fine at hordeclear with slaughterer
potent echo
Issue when I need to quell sometimes after one special doesn't kill a crusher/mutie
nocturne badge
my issue is that they tied our only damage resist feat to peril, so exorcist makes you weaker to range fire
potent echo
Exorcist doesn't really help in those situations
spice veldt
i'm a quietude user as well so I won't complain too much about it
sucks to lose my peril while clearing a horde though
i hate battle meditation
nocturne badge
kinetic shield needs to be reverted so that it's based on warp charges not peril
spice veldt
no, mostly because I don't want to pick warp battery
spice veldt
still a substantial buff to warp battery builds
viral solstice
just out of interest
a force sword kills 20 poxwalkers substantially faster than a well rolled devil claw
amazink
spice veldt
damn it does?
viral solstice
yes
potent echo
How about axe
spice veldt
even with savage sweep + rampage?
spice veldt
:o
viral solstice
in fact devil claw is about on par with an unpowered power sword
spice veldt
with the caveat that it doesn't have access to slaughterer
viral solstice
indeed, but all the weapons that are good at horde clear have blessings
devil claw has... uh
yea
potent echo
It has parry that is useful(??) Literally never used it
viral solstice
i guess it has 40% rampage (only 10% worse than heavy sword 50% rampage!)
the parry is not useful
except for stunting on enemies
here u can see me MAXIMISING my parry value
fiery atlas
<:peepoJORTS:895691627576823810>
viral solstice
actually
a force sword without slaughterer
beats a devil claw and its not close
(tho this one has unstable power heh heh)
potent echo
Light heavy spam?
spice veldt
a devil claw without any blessings right?
fiery atlas
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10rV8PL3QmkvWo/d1337l3dOPV...
are u shitting me
you can
PARRY
the charge
for plogryn
viral solstice
spice veldt
yeah, you can also block it
nocturne badge
i'm pretty sure you can parry just about any melee attack
potent echo
You are supposed to block it
viral solstice
anything u can block u can parry
potent echo
I don't think you can ever dodge the charge
spice veldt
you can
fiery atlas
i'm so mad
viral solstice
u can dodge it its just shonky
fiery atlas
this is unreasonable
potent echo
With a high enough dodge weapon
spice veldt
but you need to bait him to one direction and dodge to the other side
viral solstice
but ideally u want to hit them then block the charge because the hitbox is behind the animation
potent echo
I don't think you can dodge it with FS
spice veldt
same as how you would dodge the hounds
fiery atlas
tiny angry crab I have decided to become a force sword only user
and discovered a very funny meme last night
potent echo
Tried with the spawner
spice veldt
you can dodge it with the FS if there's enough distance between you and the plogryn
just really hard to do
and not at all worth it
potent echo
Can I see an example
spice veldt
no i'm too lazy and i'm about to go to safeway
potent echo
Was trying for half an hour last night
spice veldt
i'll do it when i'm back tho
fiery atlas
if you fingerroll the PA, it stuns trash hordes for inf stagger
spice veldt
just pushing is good enough
viral solstice
spice veldt
since the push-attack is single-target
viral solstice
i feel like u should just basically always do this
free hit and block
100% safe
potent echo
just pushing is good enough
Wait you push the plogryn 
fiery atlas
also why does FS full PA do no damage even though the hitmarker registers it as a weak spot hit
spice veldt
nah i was responding to saintsol's comment
potent echo
O
spice veldt
i wish we could stagger the plogryn with the FS lmao
fiery atlas
i wish we could stagger the plogryn with the FS lmao
pls no booli
spice veldt
idk probably to make it get a stagger bonus?
weakspot hits deal greater stagger to enemies
the push-attack also procs uncanny strike
anyways off to safeway go spread the good word about the force sword
potent echo
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/XwgUf5nufJtoB/d13371eKn5T8...
Axe can't dodge the uppercut?
fiery atlas
ok very good
lethal folio
The uppercut is practically impossible to dodge in the meatgrinder
viral solstice
Axe can't dodge the uppercut?
u can but in meatgrinder on 0 ping its inconsistent enough it was trolling the no damage so i just blocked it
i didnt want to get to the bottom of what was going on there just for a rashad meme
in games with normal ping the uppercut literally never hits me while i dodge so god knows why
olive ember
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/XwgUf5nufJtoB/d13371eKn5T8...
no peril block, gets staggered after block
smh
leaden thunder
what is the hoard clear combo on the FS?
olive ember
light - heavy - push cancel/light
leaden thunder
olive ember
technically speaking light - heavy - block cancel
leaden thunder
actually playing my psyker for once
olive ember
but i find the third light comes out so quickly and the stab does the same damage as a heavy
olive ember
that I sometimes just do that
leaden thunder
every time I do I look at my gear and get sad
olive ember
thats me on my ogryn and zealot and vet
potent echo
in games with normal ping the uppercut literally never hits me while i dodge so ...
I tried with the duelling sword it can dodge due to its massive dodge distance vs the FS shitty dodge
Never tried axe tho
viral solstice
i mean i dodge that shit while adsing on a hellbore in game
idk why meatgrinder throwin a sulk
leaden thunder
one has shitty perks and a t1 sluaghterer
the other has good perks but riposte and shred
olive ember
technically the 2nd one you can replace riposte with slaughterer
and the FS will be decent
since shred is just poor mans bloodthirsty
potent echo
why are ppl pushing or blocking do u not just do this
It's safer to push after 1 loop of light heavy I found
olive ember
Cuz i dont like switch canceling kek
leaden thunder
and man it's nice rn since my curios are ass
olive ember
also im lazy
viral solstice
olive ember
also yeah sometimes its safer to just block cancel
olive ember
lmao
potent echo
I rather be the pushblocker than the vet that goes down to poxwalkers because he only swings
viral solstice
ill have u know
any vet worth his salt
can go down to poxwalkers
while using all his moves
its their special move
doing boss fight
vet dies at the back to 3 poxwalkers, no interference
authorities refuse to clarify
leaden thunder
olive ember
oh yeah almost lost a low int malice
potent echo
olive ember
cuz 2 of the 3 vets on my team died like 10 seconds into the assassination fight
viral solstice
i barely push even while using a shovel on vet pushing is just fake im sorry its a psyop
a cia psyop
sick solar
so what's the meta for the voidstrike, regarding blessings?
Still Warp Flurry, and Warp Nexus?
potent echo
Warp nexus and soulblaze
olive ember
this man still coping for the surge lmao
viral solstice
by the staff gods
IT WILL COME
BY GOD IT WILL
AND BLOODTHIRSTY
FOR MY FIRE SWORD
ive been driven to doing depraved shit
devil claw only veteran runs
parrying full rager combos even the double hits
im losing my mind here
sick solar
warp flurry + transfer peril
really, I know some ppl who swear by it.
potent echo
How is the soulblaze blessing on the voidstrike
leaden thunder
funny
viral solstice
it sets things on fire
olive ember
voidstrike base crit is 5%, with nexus its like +10% if you have t4
viral solstice
obviously ur running 5% crit perk if ur not a coward
olive ember
so if you are bringing crit you are either playing a memestrike with blazing spirit or surge
olive ember
bruh
potent echo
this is the ideal voidstrike
Wait for real? I was memeing
viral solstice
oh no i have like 400 voidstirkes
olive ember
hes memeing lmao
potent echo
spice veldt
crab should be taken srs 100% of the time
viral solstice
but i ran that shit in a bunch of damnations was fine outdamaged everybody because voidstrike is the best weapon of all time
olive ember
i mean
viral solstice
this is the secret the illuminati dont want u to know
voidstrike strikes the void
olive ember
I ran the fucking columnus and it was fine
you can run anything on damnation and it will be fine
potent echo
Just make sure you run actual human beings as you team members
viral solstice
soulblaze baby
olive ember
lmao
olive ember
gotta get that 100 burn damage on every poxwalker,
denies your teammates 100 damage
pads your stats
leaden thunder
crab should be taken srs 100% of the time
viral solstice
which means he cant come back
tbh i got this shit randomly on my psyker
its actually kinda tite
69% mobility? 80/80 dsp w/ t4 opening? hell yea now we in business
potent echo
VII is the single shot pattern?
viral solstice
this one i have a lot of feelings about
lethal folio
80/80 is enough to get you the bodyshot bp on scab shooters.
viral solstice
because i was full of hope when it hit 20% maniacs and warp nexus
but then
the hadron train has no brakes
not even t4 nexus
bodyshot bp what am i an animal commissar
have some respect
body bp? the cheek
btw commissar did i show u the most powerful utility axe
some say the tier 4 thunderous rashad is TOO strong
(its got tier 4 all or nothing on it too to really round out its power)
lethal folio
I still like my uber power axe for fire.
With push you can brendtle the whole pack.
viral solstice
that sounds dangerously useful tho
u gotta scale it back, make the axe more ornamental
lethal folio
Dangerous because by applying rending, you make a lot of things unstaggerable.
viral solstice
ok so long as ur committing to that
and primarily doing it for that reason
ur axe is permitted entry to valhalla
judgement is passed
blazing oak
I just almost deleted my psyker
long osprey
If you instant melt mobs with trauma does it count as weak spot hit?
Thinking about using the blessing that remove peril on weakpoint hit
olive ember
trauma can't hit weakspots with rmb iirc
atleast the transfer peril perk only works on the lmb or trauma
spice veldt
or flayer
long osprey
Gonna have to test trauma again I guess
halcyon root
So trauma staff actually good now?
long osprey
Idk gonna test it I guess, does the quicken feat cooldown reduction is added to the normal reduction?
spice veldt
works the same as pyk's aura as far as I can tell
trauma staff's been pretty fine for me so far
great for shooters and having that CC against melee elites
potent echo
Great for shooters mainly using lmb?
spice veldt
RMB
the outer radius will stagger shooters if sufficiently charged
and you should be able to one-shot dreg stalkers with enough warp charges/warp unleashed/+unarmoured
potent echo
Ive never been able to consistently kill shooters hiding behind cover with rmb
spice veldt
i just run to shooters behind cover or slowly poke at them
it depends on the map section
if it's a linear corridor, you can just sprint-slide into enemies and spam RMBs
that's with focused channeling so that your cast doesn't get interrupted by stray bullets
some areas with multiple levels of elevation require some god tier aiming or slowly poking at them with BB and whatnot
I find that it is the best staff to play stupidly with
being able to interrupt the volleys of shooters in an AoE is pretty good
karmic reef
Is there any other way to gain warp charges besides your g? I find it kinda annoying to have to stop and use it every few seconds to keep my stacks
quasi pier
Kinetic flayer and psykinetics communion
karmic reef
Ah ok, I had heard people saying that the purgatus force staff was good for gaining warp charges and I was confused, but they probably mean due how frequently it hits enemies, giving more chances for flayer to proc
quasi pier
I like using kinetic barrage as well, because one ultimate usually gets me 4 to 6 warp charges very quickly
Ascendant blaze gives you warp charges if stuff does from/with your soul blaze
karmic reef
Ascendant blaze gives you warp charges if stuff does from/with your soul blaze
That too
quasi pier
That's why purgatus
But I personally don't like giving up barrage for that even when using purgatus
karmic reef
The only issue with that build is range, but hopefully your team would pick off the ranged targets for you
quasi pier
That's why I keep barrage
spice veldt
I don't run Inner Tranquility or Purgatus, so I personally do Psykinetic's Aura + Kinetic Flayer
karmic reef
I don't run Inner Tranquility or Purgatus, so I personally do Psykinetic's Aura ...
whats aura again, I forgor
spice veldt
the -15% CDR on elite kill
karmic reef
oh right
spice veldt
it's on the lvl15 feat line along with communion
celest hedge
I feel like tranquility gives so much value for flame staff up time, and communion is great since you deal with trash a lot and things you don’t kill get soften up for teammates who’re usually dealing with the same horde
And I read that as tranquility on purge rather than tranquility or purge
spice veldt
my brain also farted and i wrote Purgatus instead of Ascendant Blaze
thing that makes blue fire
wide tiger
I don't run Inner Tranquility or Purgatus, so I personally do Psykinetic's Aura ...
same
easy flayer procs
stable silo
whats the go to feats for auto pistol build ? standard 1/3/1/1/3/2 ?
steel flame
i like lacerations on t3 myself
that 25% extra damage after bb and flayer procs is really nasty
ive seen some people use AB but i still prefer KB since it easily removes all of the shredder weaknesses
mostly bulwarks and crushers asap
and maulers too
although shredder can melt through them easily enough
communion really isnt needed with shredder, youre procing flayer as soon as it comes off cooldown
wide tiger
Yeah i like lacerations + barrage
but ab is pretty potent because of power stacking on the shredder
kind jay
shredders shreds maulers too, but you have to shoot the legs
spice veldt
should work on anywhere that isn't their head
since only their head is armored in Carapace; the rest of their body is flak
kind jay
nahnah its gotta be right in the dick
spice veldt
ah u rite
kind jay
0 damage unless in the ballsack
in fact, why dont we go ahead and make BB target the "other" brain
spice veldt
the acronym is already perfect for it
forest coral
ball bursting
wide tiger
Level 30 feat blue balls, extra explosion damage
wide tiger
I alt f4 to try and save runs, sometimes a bot will rez
ornate hamlet
Man, I feel so dirty using the laspistol with a deflector sword
The instant swap means I'll sit in front of a guy, line up a headshot holding block and then quickswap to pop his brain
wide tiger
thats skill, sounds fun
ornate hamlet
I have nothing better to do, so I'll try it with a revolver
The lasgun seems to one-hit the rangers on a headshot in malice, so for now it's working for me
I'm feeling comfortable, so I might kick it up to heresy
forest coral
i thought u already did
fiery atlas
i mean i am but I don't know which feats to take
spice veldt
these are the feats that I roll with
if you don't have good curios, I would probably take kinetic deflection to mitigate the Force Sword's extremely ass block cost
I don't need it since I take +3 stam and block efficiency on my curios
fiery atlas
these are the feats that I roll with
fiery atlas
if you don't have good curios, I would probably take kinetic deflection to mitig...
mayhaps useful
i have mostly max hp and toughness
on curios
forest coral
now when u say
fs only
do u literally mean no staff usage whatsoever
and only bb fs
blissful dirge
So like I have 93 missions as Psyker, the "Solo a BoN/Plague Ogryn" pennance (before nerf) and plenty of hours
my first ever sword with deflector
spice veldt
what being the only force melee in our entire weapon pool does
spice veldt
if it's literally only Force Sword and no BB/staff, maybe you would take Quicken
blissful dirge
its decent enough that I'm just gonna rip Uncanny Strike off it an use it as is.
fiery atlas
you don't have to use BB, since you have mini BB on the sword itself
blissful dirge
perks could be better but my current one aint much better
fiery atlas
good luck on consignment yard's finale tho
please don't remind me
forest coral
hue
spice veldt
that's the one map that jumps to my mind whenever I think of melee only runs lololol
fiery atlas
forest coral
or relay station mid event
spice veldt
can they spawn up there from where you drop down from?
forest coral
they often spawn in horrendous elevated spots
spice veldt
i haven't had the misfortune of encountering too many sniper spawns there
forest coral
I unno, in my experience thats the most awful map to quickjoin into
but alot of failures are caused by sniper in weird spot there ye
because right after mid event, is the funny cliffside area above the dreg town
spice veldt
i usually rush the objective before any quirky spawns can happen
forest coral
ye
spice veldt
the one benefit of stacking stamina perks means that events where you have to carry stuff aren't too bad
forest coral
I find alot of vets and psykers really struggle there
spice veldt
damn psykers too?
forest coral
since there's like more than 4 points where mobs spawn from
ye
zealots usually breeze through it
summer prairie
This is pretty good
spice veldt
usually, the players that I play with in quickplay know to either fight the initial spawns and have one player do the objective and whatnot, so it's not too bad
at least on NA west
forest coral
like if u got someone who can rush it, the mid event isnt too bad
its awful once someone is too slow to keep up with group and get slowly whittled down by stray walker hits
spice veldt
This is pretty good
mfing 25% maniac locked in
at least for the 1st and 2nd cells, enemies will only spawn from the front/left and can be held off
forest coral
first spawn is ez
its usually the 2-3rd when you really get to know if the group knows how to deal with melee/ shooter horde mix
spice veldt
yeah it can be real sketchy
the times where my team has had a rough time usually ends in a straight up wipe
no in-betweens
ornate hamlet
Revolver wonky
spice veldt
either you do it real smoothly or it goes real bad
calling the revolver a big bad meanie word
good wonky or bad wonky
fiery atlas
but alot of failures are caused by sniper in weird spot there ye
worst is when you spot the sniper too late
and then try corner peaking but you get domed
cyan moth
Whats the best blessings for the Lightning staff? Love this thing probable more than I should
forest coral
either you do it real smoothly or it goes real bad
ye, cause the other challenge is to make sure the group has enough hp to last to the next medicae which is unfortunately through another gauntlet that is the cliffside
and for some reason, the path upwards has a fairly high chance of monstrosity spawning
spice veldt
yuuuup
and if the team is too impatient to clear the area ahead before jumping down
it can be a pain train
forest coral
yeaah
spice veldt
i hate that section
steel flame
shredder go brrrrrr
spice veldt
smh can't even see dem numbers without opening the image in a browser
steel flame
lol i burned through almost 3000 ammo
spice veldt
2.5k
forest coral
Whats the best blessings for the Lightning staff? Love this thing probable more ...
warp flurry and nexus/ terrifying barrage
steel flame
hell yeah i was
forest coral
but honestly surge is probably least blessing/ perk reliant staff you can run
cyan moth
Rog
ornate hamlet
good wonky or bad wonky
it doesn't consistently one-shot some trash enemies on malice, which is a bit wonky
cyan moth
this is the one I got now so its not exactly the worst.
ornate hamlet
And I think I also needed an extra shot on ranged trash at times
spice veldt
might be hitting an arm
ornate hamlet
Don't tell me the game actually differentiates arms and chests on damage
spice veldt
because for some reason, it'll prioritize the arm instead of the body when calculating damage
yes
you've been fatsharked
ornate hamlet
spice veldt
:D
steel flame
what surprised me is how much boss damage i did
forest coral
unyielding on autopistol is so good
spice veldt
can't swap cancel the LMB and spam it at the speed of light 😔
forest coral
since it demolishes maniacs already without the perk
steel flame
wot
oh
i just use unyealding enemies to farm soulblaze
but i guess that works too
spice veldt
I don't think you can dodge it with FS
you can dodge the plogryn with a single dodge if you time it correctly, though this is from a standstill.
https://streamable.com/m56l7j
if you're already moving, you should dodge in the other direction
wide tiger
yeah plogryn with a force sword is so fun
spice veldt
those two vids were with an 80% mobil FS, so it might be harder with a lower mobil FS
wide tiger
grats
steel flame
now ill have my blessings for the new force sword
wide tiger
wtb bloodthirsty :()
and even then, i need a slaughterer base fsword to put it on
fucking crafting
viral solstice
Also the revolver swaps slightly lower than laspistol
yep, its like a 0.2s deliay on that swap shot
stable silo
what u guys think pairs best with autopistol dueling sword or FS ?
wide tiger
what u guys think pairs best with autopistol dueling sword or FS ?
depends on what talents you go i think
i do axe/shredder
rocky cedar
I qualified when I originally posted that build that those choices were mostly for comfort with essence harvest and you should swap for cerebral if you don't mind a bit more BB micro
Wrack I still haven't experimented with much, I just like inner tranq for uninterrupted KB BB spam
steel flame
fair
wide tiger
Wrack I still haven't experimented with much, I just like inner tranq for uninte...
I had assumed it was for KD efficiency in a more melee oriented playstyle
either way, i think wrack is pretty good on the gunker (only build i can run it though)
potent echo
you can dodge the plogryn with a single dodge if you time it correctly, though t...
Oh so it stops tracking you once he starts the charge
potent echo
those two vids were with an 80% mobil FS, so it might be harder with a lower mob...
Mine was 40%
potent echo
I would say good because if you are using FS you would want it for anti elite
Outside of niche builds that use FS for hordeclear/deflector, isn't axe the go to?
humble star
No clue, I just thought the FS is already nuts at single target as is.
It'll be interesting to see how a purely single target one ends up being
potent echo
Not sure if they are going to change the special action
ornate hamlet
revolver is becoming positively wonky
potent echo
There is like 2 seconds of it being shown in one of the launch trailers
ornate hamlet
arm shot bad and gay, but hitting dog through horde good and hetero
potent echo
It do a stabby
humble star
revolver is becoming positively wonky
Imagine revolver with charmed reload 
ornate hamlet
god I love excessively friendly-firing to kill tagged enemies
spice veldt
nooo i can't bodyblock revolver shots to prevent them from taking my kill
ornate hamlet
The funny magic French says funny words like "adroit" and "denouement"
rocky cedar
I had assumed it was for KD efficiency in a more melee oriented playstyle
Yes that too
golden tartan
https://streamable.com/gzvbw6
Matador
stable silo
you guys think this ones worth upgrading?
steel flame
Ask again after the second perk roll
cold geode
salvation
steel flame
Flak or Maniac
I've had a productive night saved up 7000 plasteel tonight so I should have more than enough when the new force sword drops
uneven drift
viral solstice
dont u laff at me
ill have u know my blazing spirit sword
kills poxwalkrs 50% faster than a devil claw (good horde clear weapon)
that means blazing spirit sword is
checks notes
op horde clear
i don make da rule
cyan notch
mid
viral solstice
no its op
its in the rules
on the other hand
heres a question
how long do u think i ttakes a power sword to kill 100 (one hundred) poxwalkers
bonus round: how long does it take to kill 50 pot head melee goons
(the answer to both is 8 seconds)
really makes u thonk
uneven drift
viral solstice
unfortunately it took 30 seconds to kill 50 flak ragers
due to model stacking issues
weapon useless
uneven drift
How long to kill 50 Beasts of Nurgle tho?
uneven drift
That's where real testing begins.
cyan notch
this is what no content does to a mf
ornate hamlet
What a disappointment
viral solstice
i mean
tahts not that disappointing
swap stripped down for ff4
and i guess the crit for flak
and u get a very usable agi
ornate hamlet
I got one better, I just...
viral solstice
tho arguably u could keep the crit because of the weird crit value
ornate hamlet
PS isn't that good
viral solstice
i mean
theres no good blessings on iags
zero
so
i have t4 ps and t4 sustained
and its like
10% damage on a 3 shot headshot burst
viral solstice
yeah thats it pretty much
and even ff4 is kind of
its great but broadly only stack 1 matters
cold geode
someone in the damnation im in right now just did this.
viral solstice
beacuse stack1 on psyker is going to give u 1 tap flak headshots on flak shooters idk from 30 to 40m extension?
ornate hamlet
I donno
uneven drift
I've had a productive night saved up 7000 plasteel tonight so I should have more...
I've got "productive" weekend too
ornate hamlet
I dont use'em typically.
viral solstice
and with the new power charges
ah
well the thing about agri mk 1 is this
this is on zealot to show the point
with 6 warp charges
ornate hamlet
I use this...
viral solstice
u should get one taps out to about 30m if u have an 80 damage 80sp agri with 25% flak
oh god
ornate hamlet
And people call me crazy!
ornate hamlet
But it seriously melts.
viral solstice
u want to see something goofy
look at ur agri mk 1 damage table
compare its weakspot damage ratio
to a headhunter
ornate hamlet
Quantity over quality
Seriously, it recks most ogryns in like 10-20 shots
HOrdes? It's almost a miniature 2xstubber
viral solstice
i wont shit talk it i use only the most fucked up weapons
but mk 1 iag is straight up the original good gun taht everybody slept on
the only thing that stops people calling it "good" is that vraks 3 exists now and requires zero brain for the same effect
and all ug ive up is maniac damage
my vets mk 1 makes me sad tho
ornate hamlet
i wont shit talk it i use only the most fucked up weapons
I see you too are a man of culture
spice veldt
i like the mk1 iag for the better hipfire than kantrael
viral solstice
its got a lot going for it
now dont tell anybody
but iags are the best crit werapons in the game other than laspistols
heres a really niche bit of info
if u put 5% crit perk on a columnus iag
it gives u 14% bodyshot dps
spice veldt
interesting
ornate hamlet
Im gonna make a video on this
viral solstice
the reason is quite simple
viral solstice
yeah
iags have INSANE weakspot and crit multis
like
way better than headhunters
but people look at the base stats
they are actually such nicely balanced weapons
capable of insane damage output but recoil legit limits them
there is however another uh
fatshark element to iags
viral solstice
oh nono
much better
so iags have some of the best crit effects in game
AND get crits trings right
stable silo
dam so close to good stats
stable silo
your teasing me emp
spice veldt
visual clarity 10/10
viral solstice
for ref a columnus with a 5% crit perk on a vet
would have a roughly 30-35% crit rate
spice veldt
same fatshark who brought you the more "impactful" VFX on the surge staff, I suppose
viral solstice
its identical yo a shredder in that sense
so thats a shredder with 12% paper crit rate and a 52 shot mag
so that means u should get roughly 6-7 crits a mag
but because of crit strings and the lack of normalisation u get 16-20 crits a mag, or more
stable silo
how important is penetration on the duelin ?
viral solstice
very
stable silo
i know 😦
viral solstice
think of a duelling sword as being a like "u want 80 dam pen to even consider it"
stable silo
i was hoping you guys would lie to me
stable silo
lulz jk
viral solstice
we could lie to u
but in the end
we would only be lying to the emperor
and then he would come into our dreams and kill us
and then we would be philosophical zombies
and then daniel dennett would kill us in real life
cyan notch
emperor ded af
viral solstice
and then we would be DOUBLE dead
stable silo
i just wnat something sweet to pair with my mighty shredder pistol
viral solstice
but yeah iags can do some truly fucked damage
no volley fire
(okok its deadshot pls dont report me to fatshork)
tho i will say
vet as a class is just interesting
much too think about...
ornate hamlet
i wont shit talk it i use only the most fucked up weapons
Well
You see, I also use a specific build with it
spice veldt
wait why are the weakspot crits literally 3x the damage of weakspot hits
ornate hamlet
I have this for the big guys, because while I can waste them with my lasgun minigun... and here's my talent build,
viral solstice
direct ur attention to maniac and unyielding
u know how laspistol has "bad maniac damage" right
viral solstice
now... imagine u had 60% crit chance while adsing
viral solstice
and imagine u could aim
spice veldt
:(
ornate hamlet
Best blessings I have atm.
viral solstice
it is fun setting things on fire
ornate hamlet
viral solstice
actually thats an interesting point
crit damage is probs still bad but way less bad than on other weapons
viral solstice
ornate hamlet
How much is 10% after all that?
viral solstice
well the reason crit damage is so bad normally is because of the crit calculation right
so like average weapon getting idk 50% more damage from a crit, 10% crit damage is only increasing the crit section (that 50%), so its 5% more damage in that bucket
which is overall 150-155%
a tiny increase
but on a laspistol vs those targets the crit is increasing ur damage by so much thats borderline multiplicative
tho u need to norm by crit chance and opportunity cost of a 25% armour type ehhh
i conclude
gun
ornate hamlet
I see three numbers:
white,
yellow and orange
Orange goes goes to like 202 and orange goes to 700
viral solstice
are any of these numbers gesturing at u
ornate hamlet
White is like 300? what?
viral solstice
i like the orange number the best
ornate hamlet
Theyre all popping at me
viral solstice
spice veldt
i guess vet's 10% crit chance is to make laspistol good
ornate hamlet
thats the laspistol in use.
viral solstice
vets increased crit and deadshot
also when u ads on laspistol u get 5% crit iirc
and the weap has 20? 25? base crit
ornate hamlet
OHHHH
THat's why my weapon does so much
Okay,
So I have the las pistol with the crit, and the crit benefits right?
Well, I also have it so that I do auto brainburst
and my brainburst also gets the +25% dmg
So, my shots go from 250 (orange) to 750..
doesn't make sense, but I'll take it.
22 shots to kill a gunner in the face.
But sometimes
So, I'm seeing without BB 200, then 500
The 500s must be the crit
Mind you this is threat 5
cyan notch
weapon has fake ammo count so its mid
ornate hamlet
Wut?
Mine?
two ammo per shot
So it takes 11 shots to bring down a reaper.
meh
cyan notch
yes fake ammo count
ornate hamlet
It's not really fake, you just need to be aware...
wide tiger
i like the orange number the best
I like no number and the satisfying plink of an ogryn shield
viral solstice
how dare u my ammo count is NOT fake
ornate hamlet
But it says you have 108 shots
So your ELECTRONIC DISPLAY tells you that you have 108 bullets.
cyan notch
who says you have 108 rounds
ornate hamlet
No like i donno AI in your head that can tell you how many shots you have?
"Fake ammo count" is silly.
cyan notch
i dont know what your argument is you seem to be confused these are nothing alike
ornate hamlet
My "argument" is that saying something that has a fake ammo count because you don't pay attention to your ammo and what it does, doesn't denote it being fake; it's a silly reason to call something "mid."
ornate hamlet
Internet is a big barrier against the receiving end.
cyan notch
your example of the br didnt help your case at all
ornate hamlet
Sure it did.
cyan notch
no?????
laspistol uses 2 shots per burst even though it shoots 1 bullet
br uses 1 shot per bullet
what is the purpose of laspistol using 2 ammo per shot other than artifically inflating your ammo count for no reason
cyan notch
BR uses 3 ammo per trigger pull
yes bro because it actually fires 3 bullets
laspistol uses 2 and fires 1 bullet
ornate hamlet
Are you sure?
ornate hamlet
See, I'm shooting this thing, and I notice a couple things.
cyan notch
youre the one who brought up the br as an example and u dont know its a 3 round burst rifle?
ornate hamlet
One, the laser exits the barrel from different points.
Two, a laser gun has kick? That's weird.
So... Obviously this isn't really something that you should put the "realism" candle to.
For all you know,
There could be multiple emitters in there that take turns shooting so that others can cool off.
But it does fire two as the manufactorum found the pistol lacked in firepower.
Praise the omnissiah.
cyan notch
ornate hamlet
"Talk wall?"
viral solstice
the original idea of the lasgun ammo counts i think was because they were going to have batteries as the mags for the weapon customisation i suspect
and theres stuff like the efficiency blessing
which reduces ammo cost by a %
so u gotta have a fractionated ammo count
its a lil vestigial now
but i guess still exists with the lasgun blessing that is definitely good
viral solstice
ye i just think they did them all on the same system
and so now its just like
i suspect also with the laspistol there might have been plans for a like light heavy whatever laspistol
u know like 3 of each archetype
and we have the heavy that uses 2 per shot
but god knows at this point
cyan notch
helbore lasguns make sense cuz they use ammo based on charge
recon and laspistol are just stupid
stable silo
i assume this staff is crap
cyan notch
yeaaa thats not too good
near wyvern
i assume this staff is crap
For trauma you want max charge rate and blast radius, then depending on what you plan to do with it either high quell with low resist or hi resist with low quell
quasi pier
Does cerebral lacerations affect damage on assassination mission boss shield, or only health damage after shield is broken?
viral solstice
u ask a very good question
tho iirc the void shield is capped at 5% of its hp per hit
so it might not make a huge diff
bar a few things that violate that rule
well it takes 18 hits from my melee weapon to break it so that theory is definitely wrong idk why i thought that
i did look uip how this worked over christmas and it has fled my mind
except some weapons have stopping power that scale their damage vs void shield
quasi pier
So maybe works on the shield, but shield mechanics mean it doesn't work well with the shield
viral solstice
well it depends on what people are doing to the shield is probs the unhelpful answer
most random groups are not optimally dpsing the shield at all lol
but i would need to test this so lemme have a poke
(intuitively it should work)
yeah
does seem to work
quasi pier
So reduces the number of hits to take down shield?
viral solstice
without CL it takes 3 bbs and 18 lights from my axe to down the shield, with cl its 2bbs and 16 lights, shield dead before 3rd bb
will try a couple more times to confirm
quasi pier
Hmm so it seems your right that the gating definitely reduces the impact before 25%
viral solstice
yep it works
quasi pier
Below*
viral solstice
theres some gating but dont quote me on numbers i havent looked at the code for it in forever
quasi pier
And while I'm wondering.. his shield comes back up after a certain time/or health % taken, or only when % health is taken
quasi pier
Cool thanks for the info. Sounds like overall still not really worth taking CL just for the boss missions
dense vault
what do i want on my force sword? deflector and slaughterer?
quasi pier
That's a good combo yes
viral solstice
doesnt seem to change the ttk for brainburst spam itself tho so theres somethin a lil odd going on
but ive never looked at how cl works so
dense vault
to me it feels like the real reason to run force sword would be the ability to tank a bit of ranged fire
uneven drift
It's overrated, but yeah, handy in some situations.
summer prairie
BB definitely hits the void shield damage cap regardless
viral solstice
oh yeah thats a good point
i was even testing with stuff that wouldnt
for precisely that reason
apologies been awake like 26 hours so brane only partly on
uneven drift
Guilty!
quasi pier
to me it feels like the real reason to run force sword would be the ability to t...
Yea I think after 25% healthish the shield comes back up
Oops still had reply open
viral solstice
ye
viral solstice
with no warp charges u can 3phase using my force sword because u just avoid the damage thresholds
dense vault
don´t like the scripting that much becauase it punishes speccing for effective captain dps
viral solstice
impractical but
dense vault
shud be able to chonk him if you got the killiness for it
viral solstice
its just sad because if i have full warp charges
he phases on the first one
punished for bein too cool
dense vault
no fun allowed 😛
forest coral
how dare u have fun in dt
dense vault
the only joyous people i´ve seen in darktide are nurglite heretics
smiling is the first sign of corruption
forest coral
happiness is next step of heresy
viral solstice
an open mind is a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded
blessed is the mind too small for doubt
educate a man without faith and u have but created a clever devil
dense vault
hmmh
got a voidstrike with quell peril on weakspot htis
*hits
so line up charged headshots and enjoy infinite pewpew 😏
safe crystal
If you get a flurry blessing on it, yes.
Staves also tend to require good rolls on base stats, so low level, they feel very underwhelming compared to guns
runic stream
yeah
runic stream
Staves also tend to require good rolls on base stats, so low level, they feel ve...
which base stats should i look for
safe crystal
Dump stat is either quell or resist, whichever makes you more comfortable. Charge rate -> Area -> Damage would be my preferred high rolls, from highest to lowest priority
You dont really want any of the stats to be too low though
runic stream
If you get a flurry blessing on it, yes.
which blessings are also good
and is it possible to have all blessings unlocked at level 8?
safe crystal
Trauma only has one really good blessing, warp flurry. Everything else is nowhere near as good. Im not sure about level restricted blessings, i think you can get everything but its just a dice roll?
Leveling up as a psyker usually feels a lot better when using guns, though. The staves, unlike most weapons, just require very good stat lines to pop off, especially trauma.
azure goblet
would you guys prioritize 20% unarmoured or 20% carapace armored damage for surge staff?
looks like 20% unarmoured doesnt hit breakpoints but with Warp Unleashed and some warp charges it should hit breakpoints
azure goblet
what would you run, flak armoured and crit chance?
azure goblet
yeah for sure
lethal folio
Unarmoured, flak, for plinking shooters.
olive ember
unless your staff doesn't do damage probably unarmored then for shooters
since typically a half charge is enough to kill flak shooters due to dmg multipliers
but the dregs are a pain
azure goblet
its a 379 max dmg, crit bonus and charge rate, warp resist and quell are both high
it rolled T4 terrifying barrage and a throwaway blessing ill be replacing with T4 warp nexus
was hoping for Warp flurry though im not sure if its worth on surge staff
so terrifying barrage is hopefully not useless
olive ember
meta on surge rn is nexus + barrage
azure goblet
ive been tryna roll T4 warp nexus on trauma for a month with no success, so this is gonna give me a break from that lol
olive ember
flurry is broken on purge and surge
azure goblet
still broken ok
olive ember
yep
azure goblet
well i'd say 0.5 secs faster charge rate is more worth than the 0.4% warp resist on full charge it could have w/max warp resist
so ill take it
stable silo
Thank you psyker discord i went from trash player to breaching the heresy wall after high int malice felt to easy over the past bit. I continue to be trash but like higher quality trash
olive ember
👍
runic stream
Leveling up as a psyker usually feels a lot better when using guns, though. The ...
that would be like 10 hours until i reach level 30
and guns are boring
except revolver
runic stream
Trauma only has one really good blessing, warp flurry. Everything else is nowher...
what about other staves
clear linden
Trauma only has one really good blessing, warp flurry. Everything else is nowher...
Isn't the surge blessing supposed to be pretty good, or does it not work as advertised?
clear linden
Is it ever worth getting that over the flurry nexus combo on in the voidstrike?
leaden thunder
voidstrike wants flurry and queling on weakspot hit
but if you want a funny haha staff nexus + surge is ok iirc
steel egret
olive ember
Isn't the surge blessing supposed to be pretty good, or does it not work as adve...
overrated
surge blessing is overrated
warp flurry + transfer peril is better 90% of the time
clear linden
How's the effect? I've never found a staff with transfer peril.
olive ember
you hit heads, your peril goes down
clear linden
Potential to completely clear your peril?
kind jay
you ever be having a fantastic run, totally dialed in sweaty af, and you make that one mistake and everyone goes downhill the rest of the run. #psykerlife
viral solstice
thats why u need to take control over ur destiny
be the problem that destroys the run
actively ruin the game
safe crystal
what about other staves
Surge is ok with low rolls, it tends to hit peril cap quickly though, so gotta keep that in mind. Out of all the staves, void strike is probably the one i would recommend as a leveling up staff, just because it can deal with a lot of situations, isnt too reliant on rolls below heresy, and you have a larger pool of blessings that are good on it. Purgatus works like a short ranged flamer, so its decent as well
kind jay
actively ruin the game
my favorite is when im (for some reason) the only one with any armor dealing capability and i get got and i get to watch the entire thing fall apart in slow motion
it feels so genuinely 40k
viral solstice
olive ember
my favorite is when im (for some reason) the only one with any armor dealing cap...
what you telling me the three auto pistol vets not cutting it for you?
kind jay
i think a full team of shredders might actually work just based on pure dakka
kind jay
they do if its a team of 4 gunkers with flayer
besides how else are you going to piss off the ai director unless you kill things with weapons youre not supposed to
humble star
what is usually the dump stat for voidstrike?
humble star
ty
olive ember
assuming meta blessings you won't be quelling much cuz transfer peril, and blast radius just isn't rly that useful on voidstrike save for a bit of CC, but don't expect it to kill anything cuz the damage falloff is harsh
runic stream
what are psykers mechanics i still couldnt figure them out exactly
i only know i die if i try to go further %100 thing
honest frigate
Specify
runic stream
i have no idea i just shoot
honest frigate
Yeah you only explode if you try to go further beyond 100% but you can cancel it with the ult ability if you have it charged
runic stream
Yeah you only explode if you try to go further beyond 100% but you can cancel it...
yeah i know but i dont know anything except that
safe crystal
You can almost certainly find whatever you're looking for in @near wyvern 's guide here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959
runic stream
i have no idea what feats do