psyker-class

[feral verge]

you're the player i yell at in my head when you get downed or dogged

[spice veldt]

even when I'm with my team, I'm extremely forward to snipe melee elites

I don't actually get dogged that much because of the force sword

I usually get dogged if I'm fighting a horde though because I can't hear anything at 100% peril

[feral verge]

by dogged i mean any disabler

trapper, mutie

[spice veldt]

I haven't gotten disabled too much lately besides when I'm with my team

since i usually have the courtesy of kiting wherever I want since I'm not with my team

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah just a pretty strong synergy between staff - AB - Essence Harvest to give on up. How often do you maintain 6 charges even? I would probably swap Battery out in that case.

[spice veldt]

mutants are really the only pieces of shits because I keep forgetting that they won't break tracking around corners

[feral verge]

my current purga build

i dont really have to try to keep up stacks

[cyan notch]

yea i try to stand away from obstacles and dodge away from them

[spice veldt]

I just panic and try to focus on dodging them, but then I forget to stay away from that one box that gives them the ability to turn 18000000 degrees

and I also forget to dodge early instead of late

[cyan notch]

i feel like mutie speed varies

[shadow wigeon]

I do want to try this variant now though

[cyan notch]

sometimes they seem hella fast

[spice veldt]

could just be adrenaline/human perception, unless their speed actually does vary

[hybrid glade]

I just dont like how inconsistent dodging them is

[spice veldt]

I feel that they're usually consistent, but my attention might be starved and they seem faster than usual

[cyan notch]

ive watched them driveby when they go after teammates and i feel like sometimes they zoom much faster

[spice veldt]

just bad attention management can fuck you up against mutants

[twilit flicker]

Difficult to say how often, since its like asking how self aware I am, hehe. But since you're running purge its easy to press F and build. The downside to that obviously is if you needed that psykinetics wrath up and you dont have it.

[cyan notch]

sometimes the audio is garbage too and or if no one pings them in a horde etc

ur gonna get slammed

[spice veldt]

or if I'm at 100% peril

I don't necessarily hate the noise, but I do hate how it also deafens environmental sounds when you reach 100% peril

[hard oyster]

I just have like 80 ping n can't dodge them 70% of the time

[cyan notch]

gotta dodge early ig

or just hide in front of a wall and hope ur teammates hit it

[hard oyster]

I've resorted to just pushing dogs, and praying i dodge the mutie

[spice veldt]

i can do mutants consistently as long as nothing else is catching my attention

dogs get caught by melee attacks, esp with the force sword's first light that has an extremely fast startup

it's probably better to either slide towards dogs as they pounce so that you can more reliably hit dogs in the melee hitbox window before it goes away; or to dodge backwards so that you can more easily time your melee swing/push

[cyan notch]

uea i dodge diagonally back and push

[hard oyster]

Dodging back gets me got

[cyan notch]

helps depth perception too

[shadow wigeon]

Purg does not build stacks without AB.

[twilit flicker]

it does not.

[olive ember]

meh

auto pistol build kinda works

not sure tho team did a stupid which cost us the game

legit went "clear adds" and the team ooga booga runs forward and starts the boss

while theres a sniper. flamer, and three shotgunners behind us shooting us in the back

also yeah wrack and ruin aint worth it

[fiery atlas]

a beautiful weapon

what counts asa "carapace" tho

[olive ember]

crushers

and mauler heads

[fiery atlas]

very good to know

[shut ether]

It also applies to deez you forgot that one

[spice veldt]

and reaper hands/feet

[spice veldt]

naughty

[olive ember]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11mphyf/snipers_and_hounds_0_ping_vs_70_ping/

[hybrid glade]

Im talking about mutants not dogs.

[olive ember]

same deal

also paradoxically if you are rly afraid back up into a wall

if they grab you near a wall they will just throw you

whereas if they grab you in the open they are more likely to do that stupid ass pound attack that strips your armor and deals like 1/5 of your health

[cyan notch]

its like 20something damage

but if there are adds on you beating ur ass you can go down

[spice veldt]

i got grabbed into the open with like 15 dreg shooters on my ass

I went from full toughness and full hp to being dead

[hybrid glade]

Im not afraid, I just think its obnoxious

[forest coral]

brazzers

[olive ember]

idk mutants are annoying but they aren't bullshit

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/khwnxq

[olive ember]

what are our expectations for tmrw again?

for the comms link or wte its called

[spice veldt]

comms link hahaha

[leaden thunder]

pysker nerfs

[spice veldt]

2h force sword

[leaden thunder]

hopefully they'll say something about adding new content

https://tenor.com/view/pudgypenguin-hopium-penguin-gif-26360923

[cyan notch]

pretty sure they will

[spice veldt]

a new 1h force sword mark will even do it for me

[olive ember]

hopium? or copium

[leaden thunder]

copium is something that has happened already

I think

[olive ember]

I mean are you hoping or coping

[leaden thunder]

hoping

probably

[spice veldt]

but will be coping if the update doesn't deliver what we want

i have a dream

[wide tiger]

Oh but dont you see? Fixing blessings is content, thats the live service!

[leaden thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[shadow wigeon]

Hope today cope tomorrow.

[olive ember]

Auto pistol is too powerful

Nerfed into ground

Voidstrike macro fixed

🤔 wat else

[leaden thunder]

rending impact changed to actual rending

so it only boosts damage vs infested

[forest coral]

running out of stamina now makes u winded

so u need to spend 30 seconds taking a breather

otherwise unrealistic

[twilit flicker]

my immersion, yes!

[dire smelt]

i keep getting run'n'gun voidstrike staves

[feral verge]

?

skill issue

stop getting run and gun voidstrike staves

its that simple

[dire smelt]

[feral verge]

they'll let anyone be psykers these days

[dire smelt]

[feral verge]

oh

at somepoint i got a surge voidstrike from empra

[cyan notch]

its mid unfortunately

[feral verge]

yee ik

[viral solstice]

if surge is mid

how come i dont have it

exaclty

[feral verge]

what if ur mid

[viral solstice]

exactly

thonk about it

im the mid master

qed surge is good af and if i could get it i could prove it but i cant because its not mid and im only allowed mid

[twilit flicker]

Ffs I didn't realize will way after but I meant kinetic barrage not purgatus. I did play a few games today and payed closer attention to my warp charges, they were not maxed out a lot of the time and ended up chasing them with BB quite a bit.

[shadow wigeon]

aye ok I understand now. Yeah it’s very hard to leverage battery with just BB (even with KB), no AB or communion. I would ditch battery for flayer? you’ll probably get more value out of it.

[dire smelt]

wait can you slot 2 of the same perk as long as they have a different rank?

[steel flame]

No

[lethal folio]

I need a lclicky surge so I can plink balls at heads.

[cold geode]

All or nothing IV isn't worth the coin yes? (for antax)

[forest coral]

no

you want BM+ either head taker or thrust iirc

[cold geode]

aye, figured id ask since its available for melk bux

[forest coral]

ye

problem with all or nothing is that implies you losing potential damage just for doing sensible things like dodging or pushing

or sprinting

its counter productive, especially on psykers playstyle in melee

[rocky cedar]

All or nothing has one thing going for it

Crusher two shot with BB breakpoint

Otherwise yeah pretty garbo

[forest coral]

ye, goated combo is headtaker and bm

[rocky cedar]

Also 5% is just a pretty low amount

[forest coral]

to make antax functional as horde clear, u just need bm

[rocky cedar]

I think decimator is better than head taker

[cold geode]

I wish they would just make a separate melk shop just for blessings, i don't fucking ever get weapons from him that I actually use at this point

[forest coral]

either or tbh

[rocky cedar]

I used to think it was inconsistent till I realised it stacked per enemy cleaved

[forest coral]

theyre super similar

[rocky cedar]

Well Deci is like double the bonus

And stacks just as quick in hordes

So yeah I think it's clear winner for the most part

[forest coral]

ah

ill double check that later

[rocky cedar]

I checked with blessing UI mod

And it seemed to be same as shred

So stacks super quick with BM

I might be misremembering though so by all means check

[forest coral]

all goods, I still need to get that mod

[cold geode]

Decimator gives 10% power at IV x5 stacking

[forest coral]

i wonder if anyone has got this yet

on paper it seems silly

[cold geode]

Headtakers gives 5% x5 at IV

[forest coral]

especially how easy it is to kill things with axes in general

[cold geode]

Thrust is 0% scaling with charge attack time x3 Stacking at IV

[forest coral]

ah

[viral solstice]

it doesnt exist

[forest coral]

so decimator is the way i guess

[viral solstice]

so alas not

[cold geode]

Never seen that one @forest coral

[rocky cedar]

Isn't that one that isn't in game?

[viral solstice]

basically if u see shit on gameslantern

[forest coral]

ohhh

[viral solstice]

ignore it

[forest coral]

is there any other site more reliable than lantern

[viral solstice]

they try and ruse Honest Gamers

honestly the darktide bp calc has all the blessings

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[forest coral]

[viral solstice]

if u just click the blessings on there

it shows all the blessings in the lua

[forest coral]

lovely ty creb

[viral solstice]

for each weapon

[forest coral]

anything that gets us away from shitty gamer journalist website the better

[cold geode]

managed to cop warp flurry IV for the void earlier today

is nais

[forest coral]

eating good

[feral verge]

a perfectly fine surge staff

cuz it does no damage anyway

so no need for dmg stat

[forest coral]

tbh itll function perfectly fine for its intended use

[feral verge]

ye

[forest coral]

aka be vet's little kitten and shock the big scary ogryns

[feral verge]

couldn't be me

[olive ember]

Fuck my Pc’s CPU fan broke

[cold geode]

oh sheeeeeet

[olive ember]

How the hell am I going to check Melk’s daily shitpicks now

[cold geode]

geforce now from your phone?

steam deck?

or just buy a shit fan

they are cheap

[forest coral]

derpy needs to do coolant mission irl

remember to slide with new pc parts to move faster

and shove other shoppers out the way

[olive ember]

I mean I can still open up my pc

It just won’t have a working CPU fan

[forest coral]

yeh dont risk it for melk boi lmao

[spice veldt]

watercool it with your hand

[steel flame]

That........sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

[olive ember]

I remember when the entire cooling system stopped working

Had like 3 fans blowing on it so I could finish a CS assignment

Fun times

[steel flame]

I wouldn't risk ut

[spice veldt]

lmao

humans are basically a portable watercooling system

[cold geode]

you can get a 5 pack of artic high static pressure fans for like 20-30 bux from amazon

[olive ember]

I mean it’s water cooled

Just that the fan for the water cooling no work

[forest coral]

dont risk it aaaaa

just get the part

[olive ember]

But but

What if I get a t4 blessing tmrw

[forest coral]

for risking other parts going nuclear

hell no

[olive ember]

More importantly I need to finish a damn assignment worth like 30% of my grade

[steel flame]

You just need to take that water cooled case off your phone and tape it to your PC. Easy

[olive ember]

So here’s hoping it’s just dust and when I get the compressed air I can clean it

Copium

Hard copium

I mean 🤔 I could probably have my fan blow at the water cooling thing to accomplish something similar tbh

That’s what the fan is for to begin with

[cold geode]

you need high static pressure to push air through a radiator

[olive ember]

Just replace the broken fan with my funny tower fan on full blast

Idk

Meh well worst case I gotta buy a new fan >.>

[steel flame]

Turn your power settings down to keep heat generation to a minimum

[olive ember]

Basically no more darktide either way

I’m using like a 1080 or wte the fuck so yeah

[cold geode]

is it a 120 or a 140mm fan?

[ember hornet]

anybody know the burn formula

like how do stacks scale damage

[olive ember]

There’s a spreadsheet somewhere

But it’s not linear

It’s a 120mm radiator with a fan so

I’d assume 120mm fan

[violet yoke]

SWORD CANNON!!!

[manic palm]

are these recon lasguns still any good?

[ornate hamlet]

lucky fuck

[manic palm]

i was able to get my lvl 4 infernus blessing on this

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i think so

[vernal blade]

So, after deflector what is the best force sword blessing? Is it Slaughterer?

[spice veldt]

slaughterer and bloodthirsty

[violet yoke]

Yes if u go deflect slaughter is best to help mulch up mixed hoards

[steel flame]

I think blazing spirit might be good with bloodthirsty if they ever decide to uncap soulblaze stacks for it.

I can't fathom why thy felt they needed to cap the stacks

Well that's partially a lie

[spice veldt]

it would hurt the purgatus staff's feelings

[steel flame]

It's more that why only 6 stacks

[cyan notch]

its 12

[steel flame]

Still though

I wanna stacks ALL THE THINGS

[spice veldt]

+crit dmg isn't too good because of how the calculation works.
If a weapon does 100 base damage and 170 on crit, +10% crit damage will give you 7 damage because it's multiplying the 70 damage difference between the crit and normal damage.

Force Sword has a high crit damage multiplier, but I would still prefer a dmg against armour type perk because that's multiplicative with your net damage

[gilded viper]

look good, suck for sustain fire unless u just burst fire all the time instead of holding down LMB

[spice veldt]

I'm still salty that I gave up +crit chance on my force sword because I thought +weakspot would be good

[kind jay]

oh i just ran out of resources

[spice veldt]

o

[forest coral]

all these good swords with bloodthirsty

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

[wide tiger]

yeah

Ive crafted so many fucking force swords

[forest coral]

i am thirsty for bloodthirsty

[fiery atlas]

ok so it turns out the reddit fix for rtx settings helped boost my pc

just a lil

[kind jay]

i got mine from milk

[spice veldt]

oh no I slipped and accidentally posted my bloodthirsty FS

[forest coral]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bunny-gun-gif-23859392

[wide tiger]

:(:(

[olive ember]

Imagine using bloodthirsty

smh

[restive slate]

By the Five...

[cyan notch]

its so hard to clutch in this game on some maps

just had like a 15min failed clutch

monster + 2 hordes + all the shooters + all the specials with resses a mile away

[feral verge]

Muties are the clutch moment ruiner for me

[cyan notch]

a trapper dropped down from above or something and got me

but damn that shit takes FOREVER

[forest coral]

the disablers in general

especially when ur stuck dealing with hordes

[cyan notch]

that power matrix part where u have to go up to the scanner room for the rods interrogator section

[forest coral]

most of the times ive clutched on psyker, it was because of fs/ purg staff combo

could actually clear things fast enough to move to captured allies

[forest coral]

oh no

you had to solo that??

[shadow wigeon]

FS w/ Deflector is great for clutching

[cyan notch]

yea starting from first floor fighting a breast of nurgle solo

its insane that area is just shit

[forest coral]

apart from running in circles and bb/ range

is there any real way to melee solo bon bon

[cyan notch]

no i killed it with fire that part was easy

after that all the disablers and horde + ambients appeared

then that stupid narrow bridge part with a ton of ambients + specials chased me all the way down below

went back up another horde ok killed it

next stairs more shooters and ambients and trapper came from behind no audio

game over

[kind jay]

i think i know where the story budget went. it all went into german psyker having like 50% more lines than anyone else

[shadow wigeon]

Learned something new playing shredder AB:

1. Didn't realize that soul blaze kills will proc Slaughterer on FS
2. Slaughterer is also +Power so getting 5 stacks of Slaughter before you AB is very strong.
3. 4 stacks of sould blaze really sucks if you miss your power boost 😮

[steel flame]

When deflector still worked while rezzing it was the best clutch in the game

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah KD is still very strong. I don't like FS but am running it for Shredder AB build and it's really nice to use deflector again.

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I can't bring myself to use deflector anymore.

It wasn't even Op by any measure, it just felt like it fit with the class.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah it mainly feels cool to use, but... it's not a great weapon.

Pairs well with Shredder tho

[lethal lagoon]

Shredder AB sounds like something they'll fix given their track record, otherwise I'd love to set it up.

[steel flame]

Not kinetic deflector. FS deflector used to work while rezzing people

[lethal lagoon]

They don't seem to care whether a game mechanic is powerful or not just whether or not it fits with their "vision".

KD is still pretty useful, yeah I was talking about FS deflector.

Mostly because the other two feats are kind of unneeded.

[wide tiger]

agree

[steel flame]

Well psyker is just way too strong so they need to take every step possible to knock us down to the bottom of the ladder at every chance possible

[lethal lagoon]

Even at max, 33% ranged damage is just basicaly like 33% toughness. Even at 160 toughness It's not really impactful. I've tried.

And peril while running is a cool concept, but I can't figure out a situaton where it's useful with passive peril on staff.

[steel flame]

It's nice on fire staff

[spice veldt]

33% reduction is a +49% increase in effective toughness

[lethal lagoon]

Ugh, I hate armor math

This again fuck me

[spice veldt]

maff

[wide tiger]

49% increased tough effectiveness -> and then one trash shooter stripped it all anyways

[spice veldt]

one trash shooter can strip it, but you're often going to be in situations where you're far away from enemies

ranged enemies have reduced accuracy and deal less damage at range

of course, if you're in their face, then no amount of toughness really matters since you're going to eat it with the dmg reduction mechanic

[steel flame]

Meh

[spice veldt]

but for the purposes of poking and whatnot, it means that you get a little bit more out of every point of toughness

[steel flame]

Not what I wanted

Anywho

[spice veldt]

i love throwing babies

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, they don't bounce like you'd expect

[steel flame]

Ikr

[forest coral]

they bounce, once.

[cold geode]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzJzoUTJpOg

[wide tiger]

rather justt have KD so i can clutch rez

[steel flame]

We need a mod that turns ogryn grenade box into babee

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, taking less chip damage isn't that impactful when mobs trickle spawning behind you can silently one shot you.

[hollow creek]

Anything that slows you down can kill you and I spend a lot of time quelling

[spice veldt]

I see Kinetic Deflection as the melee protection feat and Kinetic Shield as the ranged protection feat

[steel flame]

Yea

[spice veldt]

I don't use the knife or CAxes (not that you should be push-attacking with CAxes anyways), so I don't particularly need Kinetic Deflection

[feral verge]

But the clutch revives

[spice veldt]

that's some non-trauma staff talk

and tbf, I do run a +stam curio to make up for that weakness

esp with the force sword's ungodly block cost

[steel flame]

I like knife because I like inflicting all the status ailments on that poor plague ogyrn and watching it's health evaporate. Having then on fire, on fire again, and bleeding, is very disgusting

[lethal lagoon]

So many clutch revives where you NEED KD usually just end in actualy death for the person lol. It's so nice when it's actually clutch though.

And you in a bad position

[steel flame]

That's why you ult as the rez finishes silly

[spice veldt]

spamming push the moment you revive usually helps

unless they're AFK on their phone or some shit

[wide tiger]

yeah thats what i do

[lethal lagoon]

Teammates dying and your ult isn't on CD is a question to be asked.

But yes, I do that often.

[wide tiger]

and KD gives me plenty of clutch revives and i can sit in block and spam push to get to my team if im out of position

i just find KD does more for me than 18%~ tough redux

[lethal lagoon]

agreed on that for sure

[spice veldt]

that's true; you don't really make up for that weakness unless you run a specific staff

[wide tiger]

I find block effectively useless without it, but i do not run stam curios im all in on hp

[lethal lagoon]

HP curios are linear, so I know I shouldn't run 3. But it just feels so much nicer than everything else I've tried.

[feral verge]

KD is almost always there for you if you need it. KS is only really there at high peril, which decays quick

[steel flame]

With Staff builds like trauma and purge with high peril all the time , I use 2 +3 stamina and no KD. With everything else without a FS I take KD

[spice veldt]

enemy damage is also flat, so it's fine

KS is still +11% effective toughness at 0% peril

[steel flame]

KS makes you even tankier to poke with void staff

[spice veldt]

at least for me, toughness is the main bottleneck for poking ranged patrols, since I need to get a little out of position to see enemies with my trauma staff

you could probably just do small peeks with BB, but I need a little bit more out of my toughness with my build

[lethal lagoon]

I find trauma has a bigger issue with getting overwhelmed in melee. Esp like the end area of silo or the deamonic infestation desert map.

Man those areas suck when you are a squishy psyker

[spice veldt]

I usually just use my melee instead

I rarely ever use my trauma staff for hordeclear

my trauma is exclusively anti-shooter, and I use my slaughterer FS to do the dirty work

[wide tiger]

I'm flip flopping between flayer/warp battery and warp unleashed/inner trnaq

on voidstrike

[feral verge]

Trauma in melee is kinda fun

I like pointing it at my feet

Wading thru a horde

Feels cool

Works

[lethal lagoon]

Going gandalf mode but a lot less cool. It is fun but feels so panicky.

That's a good clutch during an escape though if your team is stuck/dead

you can push to the ship

Do you mean psy wrath and inner tranq?

[spice veldt]

they changed the name of Psykinetic's Wrath (feat) to Warp Unleashed

so that it didn't have the same name as our ult

it was causing a funny UI bug where the description didn't update properly if you hovered between the feat and the Ult

[cyan portal]

I'm looking forward to warp unleashed applying to soulblaze ticks, it's been confirmed as a bug.

[feral verge]

Interesting

[lethal lagoon]

Out of curiosity, is anyone frequently topping a scoreboard in t5 with a voidstrike in here?

[feral verge]

I have before

But it's been awhile. I've been using void for awhile and I've finally been using other staves

[lethal lagoon]

What blessings you run on it?

[feral verge]

The bis blessings (best in slot)

Warp flurry + transfer peril

[wide tiger]

rarely

[empty path]

Is Warp Flurry still bugged on the purgatus?

[wide tiger]

if i play with bad players

But good vets, no fucking way i beat them

[feral verge]

It partially works.

[wide tiger]

i try so hard

[feral verge]

The cast time is faster until you hit the 5+ stack

[wide tiger]

psword coupled with their ranged weaponry and ult is a helluva drug

[feral verge]

Then it has some slight pause

But it is still worth it imo

[lethal lagoon]

Infinite ult is just so nuts. I finally got myself to lvl a vet a couple of weeks ago and I'm now geniunely shocked at the fact that 99% of vets I played with are actually terrible.

Just run into a ranged horde of 50 units, with shotgunners, reapers and what else and just kill them all

It's crazy

[wide tiger]

the only thing that can sometimes stop a vet from doing their job is if they're swarmed by trash

then they just wipe it out with psword and go back to clearing shooters

[feral verge]

Yeah it's not an overstatement that vets can be so bad

So many lack awareness

I made one ragequit today lol

[wide tiger]

They lack a deep understanding of the games mechanics, because they dont need to understand them, they're so powerful

[feral verge]

The whole team was hurting a bit. The ogryn put a medipack down

[wide tiger]

psykers have to deep dive and research because without it, its a tough life

Not all vets, but a lot of the ones that are clueless

[feral verge]

Vet was a little bit ahead, with low HP just sniping stuff in the next room

Nothing important

I pinged the pack several times

With the eye symbol and the go here symbol

Vet ignores

[rocky cedar]

Just remember if you see a Camo Vet, stand on top of them to bait attacks into their cowardly ass

[feral verge]

I type in chat healing here

Vet ignores

[lethal lagoon]

It's just bizzare to me many how vets seemingly don't use the lvl 30 highlight all ranged units feat.

[feral verge]

10 seconds after vet goes down and dies

[lethal lagoon]

Like it's the strongest ability in the game.

Wtf

[feral verge]

In chat I say "blind vet lol"

Then he quit lmao

[rocky cedar]

Legit overrated

[wide tiger]

when you pair it with 75% toughness DR yeah its pretty nuts

[rocky cedar]

Keeping absurd Ult uptime is already trivial without it

May as well get the better benefits of the other two

[lethal lagoon]

Ranged hordes are often worse than ranged elites, so strong disagree.

Most ranged elites can be easily dealt with by psyker anyways

[wide tiger]

Yeah i dunno i like having a target rich environment for refresh

[lethal lagoon]

Shotgunners can be sketchy though

And yeah, infintie f also means infinite 75% toughness defense.

[rocky cedar]

How often are they present with 0 elites around to continue Ult with on Damn? Rarely

[wide tiger]

I will automatically clear the elites

instead of pacing myself

and then run out of ult before the horde of shooters

are dead

[rocky cedar]

Even in base Ult you will wipe out most of the shooters in a room by the time it's over with any gun that is good for that

So yeah I maintain insane overkill

[wide tiger]

I use a vraks anyways so reapers and bulwarks just fall

dont need the bonus for large game

[rocky cedar]

When instead you could get 50% more boss DPS and brute force HH into actually killing crushers

Or auto reload+ Toughness

[wide tiger]

I always just psword crushers, rarely goes wrong

Yeah autoreload is nice i often fuck up

and pop ult with one round in my mag

worst

[rocky cedar]

You can also use auto reload to get a second autopistol clip that has max blaze away from the start

Which is hilarious

[wide tiger]

Im not sure i have any guns that I like to use on vet that leverage blaze away

I like the 2 vraks HH's, the kantrael XII, brauto

i have a nice bolter but meh not a huge fan

prefer bolter as a secondary on the zealot

[rocky cedar]

Yeah if brauto had blaze away I'd use that shit all day on Vet

[feral verge]

Vet players? In my psyker safe space?

[rocky cedar]

I already use it but I like Vraks better

[steel flame]

I would like to think you would use it for your teammates, but then again vets don't have teammates till they go down so

[feral verge]

Lmaoo

[wide tiger]

I've still got like 5x the missions played on psyker dont worry.

[rocky cedar]

I play Vet the least of the 4 if it's any comfort

[feral verge]

I'm close to the big 250 missions on psyker

236

[lethal lagoon]

Vet is genuinely too easy to play often. I can barely get through the contracts.

[rocky cedar]

Wait you mean counterfire or something else sorry?

[wide tiger]

I enjoy it, fatshark did a fantastic job on ranged play

[feral verge]

I feel that with zealot @lethal lagoon

I don't have a vet

I enjoy zealot but it's so easy

[wide tiger]

High ground is a huge difference in darktide because you can see their heads even when their hiding behind cover

[lethal lagoon]

I would say zealot has easy gameplay, but I wouldn't say they make t5 easy.

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I also agree Vet is boring, that's why I play them the least

[feral verge]

So going thru the contracts can feel like a chore on some weeks

[rocky cedar]

Psyker is the most fun for me currently

[wide tiger]

Honestly (I play psyker a lot) i get pretty bored of our staves

I dont really use surge anymore cause its bad, but the other 3 get boring

[feral verge]

Idk the way I play zealot, damn usually feels like a piece of cake

It's brain off most of the time

[lethal lagoon]

I stopped playing zealot when daggers were all the rage, so probably know nothing about current stuff.

[rocky cedar]

Use guns

[lethal lagoon]

^

Give in to the darkside

[wide tiger]

I do

[rocky cedar]

That was meant to be a response to Skaleek

[feral verge]

I use thammer and bolter

[wide tiger]

often

Super effective

guns are amazing

If they give us a heavysword

[steel flame]

The one that lights up shooters

[wide tiger]

i will get all my vet/zealot gameplay just from 2h force sword and vraks

[lethal lagoon]

@rocky cedar That makes more sense, but guns on psykers will always be funny.

[steel flame]

I always appreciate when a vet has that

[wide tiger]

I play zealot because i fucking love the heavysword (maybe cause its OP?)

and i play vet because i love the gunplay

[rocky cedar]

Yes that's counterfire. I don't not slaughter shooters just cause I don't run that feat

[wide tiger]

rarely fire a gun on my zealot unless i'm forced to

[forest coral]

same

there is no greater feeling than charging into a horde with heavy sword

[wide tiger]

yeah

[rocky cedar]

Not running counterfire/= not prioritising shooters

[forest coral]

and watching the tomato juice fly

[wide tiger]

its so satisfying

[forest coral]

and their skulls for the emperor collect

[wide tiger]

imagine heavy sword headtaker and psword slaughterer on a heavy force sword

iodfsghjkajsfdlghf

[feral verge]

I play/main psyker because of the complexity, the constant swapping and versatility. There's always something for me to do

[wide tiger]

probably stupid op but i can dream

[rocky cedar]

Yeah Psyker is great because you're actually encouraged to use your whole kit basically all the time

[feral verge]

Whereas with ogryn or zealot, I see a sniper or something, and just hope a teammate can clear it for me

[rocky cedar]

Most dynamic class IMO

[feral verge]

I COULD clear the sniper, but it's a PITA

As zealot or ogryn

Most of the time

[rocky cedar]

Depends on your ranged

[forest coral]

well

[feral verge]

With my preferred kit that is

I use bolter

[forest coral]

sometimes u just gotta bolter dump the entire clip on that lone sniper

[rocky cedar]

Again Vraks on Zealot is very easy to deal with Snipers very efficiently

[forest coral]

sometimes its just about making a statement

[feral verge]

So the equip time, the recoil from missing a shot

[rocky cedar]

Yeah bolter is a little trickier

[forest coral]

its honestly fairly accurate

just takes alot to get used to weird af iron sight

[feral verge]

No the bolter is very accurate

[lethal lagoon]

Anyone else enjoying the wrack and ruin change, I never see any psykers running it?

[rocky cedar]

I don't usually run Bolter on Zealot cause ranged Ult and the draw time is painful

[forest coral]

well the iron sight ye

is weird

[feral verge]

It's just sometimes the sniper is far away, mixed with enemies

[forest coral]

Bolter and antaxe/ heavy sword is my go to for quickjoins now

since it just solves alot of bad scenarios

[feral verge]

I have a nice heavy sword

But I prefer thammer

[forest coral]

yeh since heavy sword buffs, it can reliably deal with non carapace mixed hordes

thammer great , just not my thing

[steel flame]

I run it on my gun build. It trashes mixed hordes really hard

[rocky cedar]

Heavy sword would be pretty broken if it wasn't for its legitimate carapace weakness and being mediocre on unyielding

[feral verge]

Thammer and bolter. I really like the play style. I'm not super aggressive. I usually stick with the team and bodyguard. I shine when there's a boss. Thammer deletes it

[rocky cedar]

Only things keeping it in check

[near wyvern]

It should still be on any hit

Wrack an Ruin

[lethal lagoon]

2 wrack and ruins kill all horde, I love seeing bulwarks and crushers in groups now.

[forest coral]

ye, hence bolter

[rocky cedar]

Yeah bolter is good for Bulwarks but F deals with crushers anyway

[forest coral]

if u have greedy ammo whore team mates, will have to play it sparingly

[rocky cedar]

And I am more scared of shotgunners

[forest coral]

true true

[lethal lagoon]

@near wyvern It is on hit?

[rocky cedar]

Hence Vraks

[forest coral]

Vraks, br auto

and goated autopistol

[near wyvern]

It's on elite / special hit at the moment.

[lethal lagoon]

OH

any hit

gotcha

Something like 1 stack on any hit might work

[near wyvern]

2 veterans in party and GL getting a BB off on an elite/ special

[wide tiger]

Yeah

[near wyvern]

And RMB should charge at the same speed than LMB

[wide tiger]

3s gl

[rocky cedar]

Yeah if it was any hit W&R + KB would legit be pretty dirty against hordes

[steel flame]

Any hit on elites or specials will trigger it. Sadly not bosses though. But when you have multiple ogryns on a horde you can get 18-21 stacks of SB easy with KB

[rocky cedar]

Maybe too dirty

It should definitely work on bosses, it's silly it doesn't

[near wyvern]

There is 0 reasons to penalize pre-cooking other than that you might hold it a tiny bit more for what would be 'optimal'

[feral verge]

Is purga the best anti-boss staff?

[near wyvern]

No. You would use CL and get to 31 stacks and just melt the boss faster than a flamer.

[lethal lagoon]

So back when you could BB at 100%, pre-cooking did feel too OP in my opinion.

[steel flame]

Ha

All staves suck at bosses

[feral verge]

Ik

[steel flame]

But yes

[feral verge]

Question still stands

[lethal lagoon]

If you get lucky with crits, maybe trauma with soulblaze?

[rocky cedar]

Wait does W&R apply to the enemy you BB? I thought it was just surrounding mobs

[lethal lagoon]

Yes

[wide tiger]

It does

[rocky cedar]

Ok fair point then

[spice veldt]

Purely using Purg has better DPS than purely BBing (without Cerebral Lacerations), even against the plague ogryn which takes the most damage from BB among the monstrosities

[lethal lagoon]

it's cool for stuff you don't reach the breakpoint on

[rocky cedar]

It's fair enough it doesn't work on bosses then

[violet yoke]

25 carp or 25 unyeald ???

[idle bay]

Does not machinegunning from Void actually does some noticbale boss damage?

[near wyvern]

Everything within 3m radius of the elite/special you BB

[wide tiger]

No

[rocky cedar]

W&R probably hits some nice BB BPs then

That makes it rather appealing

[cyan notch]

1 1 1 1 1 1 1

[lethal lagoon]

It does, esp if you used BB on a nearby elite right before the next one.

[spice veldt]

+Carapace, unless you want your Force Sword to be good against Plague Ogryns or Daemonhost

[wide tiger]

Machinegunning is good for trash shooters or spamming cc more than anything imo

[spice veldt]

also what the fuck is that force sword holy shit

[idle bay]

So just quicker macro then 🙂

[steel flame]

Maybe they could cap stacks of wrack on bosses one day. Make it 15 max on just bosses.

[violet yoke]

i was thinking the same thanks

[steel flame]

That would be nice

[spice veldt]

You can actually fucking nuke crushers with that force sword whew

[rocky cedar]

Yeah that would be a good solution to allow it to work on bosses

[wide tiger]

Yeah but bb :p

[lethal lagoon]

Probably real but I've seen so many edits I'll assume it's an edit for my poor psyker mental health.

[spice veldt]

that t4 slaughterer, bloodthirsty, and +carapace will definitely fuck crushers up

[violet yoke]

ill see if i can 1 shot um

ill test now

[cyan notch]

u dont have a lot of time to stack all of that + special + heavy the crusher

[wide tiger]

True enough slaughterer op

[violet yoke]

i dont think i need max stacks

just 1 stack

and max warp charges

[wide tiger]

As long as you're somehow killing trash around the crusher without him stopping you to stack slaughter

[violet yoke]

and force perk

[spice veldt]

tell me how much damage a light-special headshot does with max slaughterer stacks and with crit

[wide tiger]

I love when flayer procs on force sword special

[spice veldt]

my light-special does 1.5k with crits and headshot against a crusher at max t3 laughterer stacks without +carapace

[steel flame]

Big number makes brain happy

[feral verge]

It needs to count as a BB on kill

The special

[spice veldt]

i hate when flayer procs, because it prevents Bloodthirsty from proccing since it doesn't count as a special kill

[wide tiger]

Would be nice

I don't have bloodthirsty so jokes on you

Wait

[feral verge]

I have every tier 3 blessing for fs

But no t4

[wide tiger]

Same except t4 shred

[cyan notch]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[feral verge]

Sitting on 25k plasteel now

@cyan notch it's true. all of it.

[cyan notch]

whenever i want a blessing i just get it

maybe try that next time

[feral verge]

I tried that.

But

It's always precog

[spice veldt]

consider not getting precog

[wide tiger]

I get so many t2 unstable power

[feral verge]

Hmmm. You know what? That's actually fucking crazy enough that it might actually work. I'll try that!

[spice veldt]

happy to help

[violet yoke]

well in a perfect situation max salugher with 6 warp charges i kill the crusher with the charged ligth atatck soo more than crusher hp

[near wyvern]

How

You don't roll for things?

[violet yoke]

just tested in pyske

[spice veldt]

whew

well, I definitely know what force sword I'm going to be gunning for then

a light-special is easy enough to do on a crusher even with enemies around

[violet yoke]

i think i am gona drop my duling sword and go back to the force sword for a bit and try out for a wile

[spice veldt]

with that roll, you better

[feral verge]

I gave up chasing perfect rolls. I have really decent stuff (nothing truly perfect, maybe my purga staff comes closest). So I'm just stockpiling mats for this next update, or for when new psyker weapons drop, or for when they (probably won't) fix the crafting. Idk what exactly, but I don't feel like wasting mats

My curios are all solid too

I like hp maxing. I'm at 260, max possible is 267.

So I got nothing to craft

I got a good void, trauma, purga

Dueling sword, fs

The only blessings I want are warp flurry iv for trauma and void, bloodthirsty for fs, really

[wide tiger]

Or for 2h force sword

[near wyvern]

I am still looking for that bloodthirsty for FS

[wide tiger]

Yeah

[forest coral]

Thirst for the bloodthirst

[feral verge]

May the day come soon

[wide tiger]

My last chase thing on psyker besides flurry 4 for voidstrike

[forest coral]

[feral verge]

I check melk's everyday

It's always shite

[near wyvern]

I check melk's and craft 2 swords daily

[wide tiger]

Force sword in melks is super rare as is

Been crafting so many fs

[near wyvern]

I got one to appear yesterday but of course it had T3 blessings

[steel flame]

It took me 72 laspistols to get infernus 4

[near wyvern]

I still have 2/11 FS T4 blessings

So the chances to find a Bloodthirsty is 1/11 times the chances of seeing a T4. Pretty slim I would say.

By crafting

By melk it's even lower even when you have two blessing slots since you need the FS to appear on the weapon list in the first place

[feral verge]

If new weps drop I'll def be rolling for those

I'll be so happy that I stockpiled

[cyan notch]

its ok we have like 2 weeks to stockpile

[feral verge]

Are we getting a commslink today (tomorrow) ?

[near wyvern]

@feral verge have you rolled for shredder? It has some amazing blessings like damage based on staggering enemies, toughness back by just holding the LMB and increasing power for holding the LMB

All pair really well with WR + CL + KF and AB

[steel flame]

I only have time for 4-5 missions tops on a good day so I don't have many resources to throw at my problems

[near wyvern]

You see a mutant, hold LMB and it's gone within a second or two

[feral verge]

I've not, but I have a few 360+ shredders I've bought from the requisition

Waiting for me to roll for blessings eventually

[steel flame]

I've only got one with terrible blessings

[near wyvern]

IMO shredder is the best gun a psyker can have at the moment

[feral verge]

I buy every 370 weapon I see, even if I don't have any interest in it

[feral verge]

Yeah I saw a bad psyker wreck with it today

He topped the scoreboard

[forest coral]

luckily shredder with pinning fire and blaze away is as good, if not better than brauto

[feral verge]

But died 2 or 3 times

[near wyvern]

Same, although I stopped buying recons now, have like 15 of them 370+ because Brunt seems to like those.

[steel flame]

Bad?

[feral verge]

And got downed a fair bit lol

[steel flame]

Eh

We are made of glass after all

Gun psykers even more so

[near wyvern]

That's an issue with bad gaming chair

[feral verge]

Lmao

The best psyker I've ever encountered was named bear

I've had a few games with him

He only takes 80~ DMG a game

The lowest I can do is 160~

He runs purga and dueling sword

[steel flame]

On what dif?

[feral verge]

High int damn

[steel flame]

Nice

[fiery atlas]

sire melk giving psykers good weps on refresh challenge (impossible)

[steel flame]

I still hate the mission select but at least I don't have to go whole days without high int

[wide tiger]

I need pinning 4 but have inspiring barrage and blaze away for pistol

[forest coral]

give him your melkies

[wide tiger]

But honestly not sure I'd ever run barrage

[near wyvern]

Have you tried the mission grid mod? Makes selecting the mission you want a shit ton easier.

[wide tiger]

The allure of running pinning and blaze away is too great

[steel flame]

I have it. But I would rather be able to pick modifiers

[feral verge]

guy's a madlad

[near wyvern]

Hunting grounds is funny

[wide tiger]

Did you guys just not loot?

[feral verge]

i loot shit if i see it, sometimes i go looking

but most of the time i just stick wit the team and watch their back's like crazy

[near wyvern]

Quite many don't loot. That's why I run the dagger. Gotta get that plasteel.

[spice veldt]

relay station has the pre-patch amount of mats iirc

[wide tiger]

Yeah I clean levels, rare I don't get max

Run dueling saber for mobility but I guess dagger good too

[feral verge]

i was gonna run purga that game, but ran trauma instead

[cyan notch]

relay station is bugged its still using old values so its a garbage mission for mats

[feral verge]

but duel purgas is a good idea imo

[wide tiger]

Yah I've seen that

[cyan notch]

so 200ish is pretty normal

[velvet crescent]

I gave psyker a 2nd go-lot harder to understand than veteran but i have a lot of fun brain bursting things

[feral verge]

welcome sibling

it's hard but very rewarding imo

[velvet crescent]

absolutely. I got a taste of it using vet plasma but managing warp charges is a lot trickier

[feral verge]

feats definitely help with that

[velvet crescent]

aye

im also fragile as hell-vet has high toughness

[wide tiger]

Vet has like no worries lol

No mechanic juggling sans plasma

[feral verge]

only worry vet has is stamina regen

[velvet crescent]

That said

[feral verge]

and maybe poxbursters if he's dumb and stacks toughness

[velvet crescent]

Scab snipers hurt like mad

Brain burst makes snipers hurt less

[wide tiger]

Probably because of the weaponry I gravitate towards on vet but I usually delete them

Bulwark swarms bigger issue for me

Flamer getting the jump on me too since I don't stagger then when I shoot em

Bulwarks are when I really appreciate psyker

[steel flame]

I love bulwarks

They are my best friends. They help me spread my fire and brimstone all over the lands

I like crushers even more

They are so nice, having the courtesy to take 3 bb

And to stand right in the middle of all their buddies

[wide tiger]

yeah, i only run WnR on my gun build but i do enjoy that with barrage

[twilit badger]

Soul blazing stacks are rather very weak tbh

[wide tiger]

with barrage though you can get the stacks up real quick

[twilit badger]

Tho it works greatly on hordes i guess

With that feat that applies soul
blazing on wide area when active skill is used with warp charges

[steel flame]

Clearly you've never put 21 stacks of soulblaze on something before

[twilit badger]

They usually dies before that

[steel flame]

Ab is only putting out 6 stacks of SB with warp battery and it wipes hordes

[velvet crescent]

Okay yeah I can confirm psyker's a lot trickier to understand than Veteran

Vet is easy, just shoot people in the face

[cyan notch]

john shootgun

[velvet crescent]

Psyker needs to keep their resources in working order

[steel flame]

Yeah you have alot more to manage

[velvet crescent]

At the same time each time I see a dead elite in the killboard I feel sated

[twilit badger]

Idk psyker been more easier for me than vet

[velvet crescent]

huh.

[twilit badger]

Especially when running purgatus

[steel flame]

Makes the other classes feel boring after you've played psyker long enough

[velvet crescent]

also am i seeing it skewed or do i drain perils faster w/ force sword

[twilit badger]

Tho i heard that purgatus could roll soul blazing blessing in beta or alpha

It would have been so much fun if we could still do that

[feral verge]

The closest you can come to that is with crit maxing

[spice veldt]

FS has same quell speed as BB

[wide tiger]

They kinda baked it into crit

[feral verge]

I have warp nexus iv and + crit rate. Most crits I've seen in a game is 1.4k

[velvet crescent]

Gotcha, I'm likely just seeing things then

[steel flame]

Once you've allocated 4 brains worth of space to managing psyker in damnation and you go back to only worrying about ammo you feel kinda empty inside

Wrong reply sorry

Also why da hell didn't we get THIS as the cosmetic instead of that cutoff jacket

This is much doper

Guess they couldn't handle the clipping

Boooooo

[velvet crescent]

how's brain burst fare in damnation?

im used to it one shotting specialists and elites/chunking monsters

[steel flame]

It works great with KB and the right build

[velvet crescent]

KB?

[spice veldt]

bottom lvl30 feat

+25% faster BB cast and -50% peril cost for 10 seconds after ult use

[feral verge]

Kinetic barrage

[velvet crescent]

Oh, got it

I got my first force staff

[spice veldt]

BB still remains useful for sniping enemies that run around (Trappers, Bombers) or taking out ranged enemies one-by-one

[velvet crescent]

Trauma and force sword rn

Obscurus Blaze 2 for the sword name

[spice veldt]

i'll warn you that Trauma and Force Sword are especially bad at lower rarities because they have massive scaling with stats

They're fine and pretty good with high modifier stats, but until then, it's pretty rough for them

For example, the trauma staff's charge stat scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second

[velvet crescent]

Gotcha

[steel flame]

Some builds bb is mostly for warp charge upkeep, other builds it for chasing garenteed special kills. For gun builds it's great with KB and wrack and ruin for spreading soulblaze. It just depends on the build. Some utilize it more that others. Fire builds try not to use it at all if they can help it

[velvet crescent]

Huh, I see

I'm using BB as a pocket sniper rifle

My targets are usually gunners and snipers

[spice veldt]

Trauma builds also avoid using BB except to snipe specific enemies or to yoink elite kills before your teammates can get to them

[wide tiger]

good way to look at it

[velvet crescent]

I'm a fair bit surprised brain burst isn't an instakill

Not mechanics wise, it works
Lorewise, isn't the psyker just detonating a dude's brain?

[wide tiger]

ogrin dun need brain to funktion

[spice veldt]

gameplay-wise, BB is intended to be a utility weapon
The ability to kill Bulwarks without the hassle of having to engage them in melee or equipping specific weapons is quite good. It also deals decent damage against Crushers.

However, Psyker admittedly lacks single-target DPS options besides bullet staffs, so BB gets burdened with undue responsibility of having to kill enemies at range since all of our staffs are CC

[velvet crescent]

Aye

It makes sense mechanicswise, it's lorewise where I get confused

[spice veldt]

ah

[steel flame]

God having to solely rely on bb to take out 60 shooters when you have fire staff SUCKS

[velvet crescent]

Aye. This is 40k so I won't look too hard

Out of curiosity how much peril gained when I use kinetic deflection?

[steel flame]

Depends on how much stamina you have and the weapon

[velvet crescent]

Roger

[velvet crescent]

Oh, huh

[steel flame]

That

[spice veldt]

source is from here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2905188402

In essence, peril is quadruple of your stamina bar

and in case you might not be privy to this, different melee weapons have different default block costs (that aren't stated anywhere at all)

[steel flame]

All that sprinting made it more complicated

Before, in vermintide all the weapons also had various block costs but they just showed your stamina with how many times you could block or push

Per weapon

I wonder if we can get a UI mod like that some Time

[spice veldt]

like showing block costs against different enemies?

[steel flame]

Lol yeah

That and the stamina shields

[velvet crescent]

Kinetic Deflection doesn't do diddly against gunshots right?

Just checking rq, pretty sure but wanted to confirm

[spice veldt]

nay; it is only the Deflector blessing on the Force Sword which provides the ranged blocking

pairing Kinetic Deflection with Deflector is a common choice though

[steel flame]

They went and named multiple things deflector just to confuse everyone

[spice veldt]

and Kinetic Deflector along with Kinetic Shield

I love Deflect and Kinetic

[steel flame]

They need to be more creative with naming

[velvet crescent]

Okay just had to check. Shame. Going vader on heretics would have been fun

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a shame that Deflector seems to only be attached to Force melee, and there is only one such melee so far

[steel flame]

I'd say make it a blessing on other nonforce melee weapons

But I'd rather just have more force weapons

Give me my goddam force rod already or a telekinesis warp sword I can toss at people

[feral verge]

Need a comically large force mallet

[steel flame]

I WANT MY DAEMONHAMMER ALREADY

Runestaffs, force mace

Hell give me a human sized doomfist and I'll fuck some shit up

I can already see the doomfist in game in my head

It would be so dope

Special as charge up punch with massive stagger and a deflector block blessing like force sword

Yeah yeah they are only on dread knights but if we can shrink a bolter for puny vet I'm sure we can shrink a force punchy glove too

[shadow wigeon]

Alight here's a synergy for purga degenerates - Slaughter on FS power bonus applies to blaze stacks, so after you apply blaze stacks... keep slaughter up for bonus damage.

Same principle telopots did with Shredder, you can get a lot of free damage from FS Slaughterer

[uneven drift]

Thanks for few months old insights, mate
Not sure tho how you get slaughterer stacks on shredder since you need to hold FS for it.

[shadow wigeon]

pinning fire and blaze do it

but to save ammo you can swap mid way through to FS to keep it boosted

The Shredder buff is much bigger

Glad people know about it, i don't see anyone talking about it tho

It's a pretty chunky amount of damage

[uneven drift]

Ah, you mean if you running ab or any other source of soulblaze stacks. Yeah, this interaction pretty old. Most of the power buffs applies to the dot ticks. Like you can have thrust on antax and hold charge to power up dots.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah the Shredder just kinda busted it

Been running it all day, it's pretty absurd

You can kill a mauler with 4 blaze stacks (if you really want to)

[uneven drift]

Yeah, some things definitely need tweaks, because some weapons become absurd with current power blessings.

[idle bay]

Sounds like some kind of unsanctioned sorcery really 🙂 To do some axe movements to iuncrease power of psyhic powers 🙂

[steel egret]

Difference between blessings is also pretty ridicilous

[shadow wigeon]

I get why the Shredder has them because it has downsides.... but it's clearly tuned too high right now.

Or feels that way, anyway

It's turbo fun on psyker though

[uneven drift]

Shredder is like mini-flamer now.

[steel flame]

Some blessings can give you snowballing auto crits while others give you a 2% damage boost.....

The lack of quality control is absurd

[uneven drift]

By the way, All or Nothing boost your power if you not hold the weapon it's on. Just need to be full stamina at moment of switch.

[steel egret]

Or one gives you 4% power but other gives you 10-65%

[steel flame]

Yeah

[shadow wigeon]

or... 100%

[steel egret]

Which one is 100%?

[shadow wigeon]

Pinning Fire

[steel egret]

Ah makes sense why I dont know it

[uneven drift]

Poor wording on blessings doesn't help it too. Like some buffs stacks, like No respite/FireFrenzy on shotgun, but you won't know it if you not going to test/look at code.

[shadow wigeon]

Does FF on shotgun actually make it any good?

[uneven drift]

Well, FF8 broken and gives you 80% power per stack and it's good But mostly you want No respite+Full bore since it's more consistent.

[drifting arrow]

need a good melee weapon which helps me to deal with swarms...

[feral verge]

Staff

Psyker doesn't have a good selection of good horde clear melees out of the box

There are axes, but those need certain perks to be functional

Idk the perks cuz I don't use axes

[spice veldt]

slaughterer FS is also functional for that

[feral verge]

Slaughterer FS is functional

[drifting arrow]

surge staff is not really good enough to stop entire swarms i get overrunned pretty fast.

[feral verge]

But unless youre using voidstrike, your staff + dodges are usually your best bet

Yeah imo surge sucks

Some will disagree

But surge doesn't kill anything

[spice veldt]

surge also isn't a hordeclear weapon

[drifting arrow]

i use it for cc

[feral verge]

The other staffs kill and CC

[drifting arrow]

which other?

[feral verge]

A killed enemy is permanent CC'd

Purgatus staff is likely the #1 staff

[spice veldt]

voidstrike has 6 cleave on a fully charged blast, Trauma has infinite cleave, purgatus has infinite cleave but better

[feral verge]

Trauma

[drifting arrow]

thats the flame thrower right?

[feral verge]

Yeah

[drifting arrow]

is rating random, like can i have dif rating for same weapon? i am not really sure how the buidling system works yet

[feral verge]

The ratings are randomly rolled yeah. The rating is the total of all the yellow stat bars + an blessings + any perks

[tribal swallow]

worth?

[feral verge]

380 is the highest rating possible on a grey item

[spice veldt]

you have some milk bottles to spare so y not if you want one of the t4 blessings on it

[feral verge]

If you are under level 30, I do not recommend that you craft anything. Save your materials until you are level 30

[drifting arrow]

i already have orage surge and flamethrower staff...

[spice veldt]

the rarity/color of an item doesn't really matter too much since that can be upgraded with mats

[shadow wigeon]

MK5 Combat Axe with Brutal Momentum is pretty good.

[spice veldt]

The base rating and stat distribution of an item is most important, as that is unchangeable

[feral verge]

I wouldn't personally buy a surge staff from melk's because the surge staff doesnt need blessings to make it better. A grey surge staff is only 10% worse than an orange staff

They will do the same thing in the end. Stun the enemy

[shadow wigeon]

Surge is not for hordeclear, it's a CC tool to make enemies easy for your team to remove.

[summer prairie]

Get the surge

[uneven drift]

Get and keep it for blessings or if you don't have anything better.

[drifting arrow]

yeah i get that, but i ususally die cause of hordes swarming me, so i wanted a weapon to get me out of those situations.

[summer prairie]

The blessings definitely will help once they function properly

[uneven drift]

Antax MK5.

[drifting arrow]

i use surge to permastun everyone else

[tribal swallow]

okay thanks, but which would be good blessings for a surge staff? Warp flurry i Know is very good, but second one?

[feral verge]

Trauma and purgatus staves will help prevent those situations

[shadow wigeon]

It is not peak, but realistically it's nearly there.

I prefer Terrifying Barrage instead of one of those 2, for more CC.

[spice veldt]

Slaughterer FS, brutal momentum CAxe/TAxe, Savage Sweep Chainsword/Devil's Claw, etc. These are the hordeclear melee options for Psyker currently.

[uneven drift]

Flurry don't work properly on surge. Nexus is great since surge have a good base crit rate.

[drifting arrow]

not gone lie

i really dont like trauma i am using it right now

[spice veldt]

what's your current level?

[feral verge]

That's okay

[tribal swallow]

ty all

[feral verge]

Trauma doesn't feel good until it has warp flurry on it imo

[drifting arrow]

17

[spice veldt]

Trauma staff has the problem of having extremely strong stat scaling, so it can be really shit at lower levels

[real sapphire]

I wish the trauma had a unique soul blaze blessing.

[shadow wigeon]

Psyker experiences a lot of power bumps s you go up in levels.

Many - or all - of the builds you'll see rely on being level 30, because of how specific all the feats are.

[spice veldt]

Interestingly enough, the earliest Force weapons you get also tend to be the worse when they have low stats (Force Sword & Trauma Staff)

[shadow wigeon]

So I would just play whatever is fun for now. Purgatus is very helpful when levelling because you can just dish out damage.

[cyan notch]

for malice and below any fs will do

[shadow wigeon]

But at level 30 all staves are viable in different ways.

[drifting arrow]

from my limited experice, flamerthower stuff does not do enough dmg to justi the low range and traum has to little aoe and high cost...

[shadow wigeon]

Nexus and Flurry are both slightly broken in weird ways right now. In theory on Surge you will get access to the last 2 stacks of NEXUS, if you're fire at 97% - which you can do safely.

[spice veldt]

Purgatus' main advantage is being able to spread Soulblaze to everything in its range
The single-target DPS of Purgatus and Soulblaze is mediocre, but the flames are able to pass through every enemy except Bulwarks

The performance of the Purgatus on 1 enemy compared to 100 enemies will be basically the same (as long as they are within the range of Purgatus)

Purgatus also has very good stagger on its left-click

[shadow wigeon]

Trauma is probably the hardest staff to use. I would learn the class first.
Purgatus might seem low damage, but it's actually strong if you stick with it.

[fiery atlas]

pls buff force sword pa it is ass!!

[steel flame]

Are you dissing my poor babies special attack?

[fiery atlas]

the push attack, not the special

[drifting arrow]

also surge staff makes me feel like palpetine

does trauma stun mutant? cause i swear i hit it 3 times (not full charged) and it ignored it

[fiery atlas]

hitting the special on ur intended target in horde makes my spine shiver ngl

[steel flame]

Oh that. It's good for staggering anything and everything. Great for setting up special atrack

[olive ember]

Nope

Only staff that does that is the surge staff

[fiery atlas]

it does not, unfortunately

[shadow wigeon]

Surge is my favourite by a fair margin. You can stun anything except bosses with it.

[fiery atlas]

surge staff makes sense

[olive ember]

If it did surge would be useless tbh

I mean there are already people who say surge is useless

[drifting arrow]

yeah i will keepsurge forthe cc and use some other weapon to clear hords

[olive ember]

But the one thing it provides that no other class can do is the ability to stun 3 mutants and two dogs

[steel flame]

I love pushing bursters into the next zipcode with surge

[shadow wigeon]

Surge + MK 5 Combat axe (with brutal momentum) is a strong combo.

[drifting arrow]

i have found some success with devil claw

but i will try combat axe

[olive ember]

Claw is… probably the worst psyker melee tbh

Damage is just way too low

[steel flame]

By a fair margin

[olive ember]

Granted I don’t have a god roll but it took me like 3 heavies to kill anything

[shadow wigeon]

MK 5 specifically for horde clear. It does need Brutal Momentum to really make sense, however.

[steel flame]

Devil claw has a great attack pattern and amazing cleave and some of the best cleave perks in the game. But dam. That damage is a let down

[drifting arrow]

my shop reseted and i have 7 guns to buy....

[steel flame]

Is one a laspistol or shredder?

[olive ember]

Welcome to the darktide experience

[steel flame]

melks trying to send a message. The time for gunker is upon you

[drifting arrow]

antax mk 5 combat axe right?

[olive ember]

That’s the good one

You want brutal momentum and either headtaker or decimator

[drifting arrow]

i got a blue one with 238 rating

[olive ember]

.-.

[steel flame]

Limbsplitter isn't bad either. You just lean into push attacks more

[drifting arrow]

do u get better loot from more difficult missions?

[steel flame]

Yeah