now with devil's claw 
#psyker-class
fiery atlas
hollow creek
what constitutes a salvo for a staff? I keep trying to earn blessings and getting one that gives me more damage on "second and third shorts in a salvo"
sonic coral
what feats do you guys go with for purgatus?
forest coral
Fairly flexible in this case
what will affect ur playstyle most is if u choose to go ascendant blaze for better hordeclear or stick with kinetic barrage for all rounder flexibility
sonic coral
I do love me some kinetic barrage
forest coral
Essence harvest synergizes very well with ascendant blaze but quietetude is generally safer pick
most other feats are really down to personal pref
sonic coral
Nice, I was very curious about essence v. quietude so that's really helpful thanks
forest coral
the only thing I'd say is affecting ur style is your choice of melee to go with purg, other than that ye
sonic coral
It's definitely nice to feel like you have some control over your toughness regen, warp charges would be okay but without kinetic barrage BB stops being as great an "oh shit" button
forest coral
My experience with harvest is either im outtanking pot shots from shooters or i have 0 toughness in a clutch scenario
its def more of a team oriented feat
ember hornet
could do without unyielding but, its nice
forest coral
is stronk
cyan notch
sonic coral
Of these, my favorite to use is probably still trauma. But I'd like to get more familiar with purg
cyan notch
why do u have carapace on purg
forest coral
you'd want to replace that with crit chance for better burn ticks 
sonic coral
an excellent question, I have no idea I don't actually remember rolling carapace lol
good call on crit though, that was going to be my next question
I was thinking unarmored initially to pump hordes for charges
crit makes more sense though
ember hornet
I would use purg, but I think the problem is I play zealot and have flamer
ember hornet
it's much better lol
sonic coral
oh yea, FS prepped to kill
ember hornet
there is nothing they could do to nerf it unless it's like a serious nerf
sonic coral
the way their nebulous comment on it made it sound like they wanted to fundamentally alter its niche somehow
wide tiger
I have all these insane staves and all i want is a force sword 😦
sonic coral
or curb it
cyan notch
theyll be like oh we reduced mag size by 3
ember hornet
next patch: buffed these other 3 flamer blessings
cyan notch
0.5m less range
sonic coral
I finally got a fs after a while, by the time I did deflector had stopped working on picking up downed allies
I don't know what else to use in its place
ember hornet
I finally got a fs after a while, by the time I did deflector had stopped workin...
unstable
or that yeah
wide tiger
this FS is better than it seems:
i pair it with purgatus
but really i want bloodthirsty 😦
sonic coral
I'll give unstable power a go, thanks 🙂
wide tiger
yeah but i got rid of shred cause pointless
forest coral
I KNOW RIGHT
wide tiger
i mean
if you wanna talk about getting fucked over
this chainsword doesnt work at all
forest coral
right now a non chainsaw heavy sword is cleaving better than a two handed chainsaw
ember hornet
davastating is so bad after they nerfed it
forest coral
heck the one handed chainsword is cleaving better than evisc
wide tiger
yea i cant use rev
forest coral
ember hornet
oh don't worry
let's give caxe little cleave
and a minimum
but also what if bromentum
I can't be arsed to tryhard with a caxe on psyker
ember hornet
sorry "tryhard" aka equip it
I have a force sword, sure I'm gonna get overwhelmed if I'm alone and there's a bunch of ragers and what not, but fuck it
fierce sinew
when the axe so good it's both tryhard and braindead simultaneously
cyan notch
u can force push em
fierce sinew
just fatshark things
spice veldt
hit trade to kill the elites before your teammates do
it'll throw a crusher down to the ground
fierce sinew
I like to think somebodies little niece or something in the office designed slaughterer and antax in crayon and they didn't have the heart to tell her no
ember hornet
oh it's single target only, ok
spice veldt
I don't like push-attacking unless I absolutely have to
sonic coral
I'll test in the meat grinder if nobody knows off the top of their head, but does Warp Unleashed (force weapon damage) apply to burn ticks?
spice veldt
since I want the elites to be in front so that I can snipe them
spice veldt
I'll test in the meat grinder if nobody knows off the top of their head, but doe...
unfortunately doesn't; I tested it a while ago
sonic coral
That is a mega bummer, but at least it makes the decision easier. Thanks!
ember hornet
warp unleashed not buffing soulblaze is a crime
spice veldt
ur a crime
fierce sinew
not really given the number of non force weapon ways to apply it
ember hornet
gimme ur money
ember hornet
yeah but it's not like psykers have anything that's like Woah that's powerful
give them more stuff
forest coral
giv psyker bolter
feral verge
malleus monstronum be the drippiest in tha game
forest coral
cyan notch
yea force push staggers everything mauler crusher overheads ragers trappers anything except muties and bosses
ember hornet
nice
spice veldt
though be warned that it will give crushers their "5 second long ass stagger immunity"
so you can't push-attack them again until that's over
ember hornet
yay arbitrary stagger immunity
fierce sinew
if they live for 5 seconds after the first time you stagger them you deserve whatever they do to you tbh
shouldn't have let them stand back up smh
spice veldt
:(
ember hornet
I'm used to crushers being my bitch
cyan notch
its usually fine theyll stand up be slow charge up their overhead again and u can shove em down once more
feral verge
ya'll cant stagger muties?
i stagger muties al lthe time
no surge staff
im just that good
sick of the skill issue in here
spice veldt
I'm waiting for a +carapace FS with t4 slaughterer to nuke them
fierce sinew
I stagger them by casually taking a step in either perpendicular direction to their charge and letting them hit the wall
OP strat I know
ember hornet
I'm gonna come through the screen and slap the next surge staff user that stuns a mutie 5m from my hammer
cyan notch
u dont have a lot of time with slaughterer
spice veldt
i stagger them by tactically allowing them to grab me so that my teammates may hit it
I just take the hits to special crushers before slaughterer runs out
cyan notch
its usually fine if surge stuns it but they have to keep it stunend
spice veldt
smh I have to walk over to the mutie to smack it
feral verge
been fucking with void for a long time, and trauma since then
i dont give a rat's dick about surge
that leaves
las pistol gunker...
cyan notch
autopistol better
feral verge
i like las pistol for thematic reasons cuz it got that force push lol
just a shame that this is the only las pistol i got
onyx oracle
Hi all, what is the best perk for purgatus? Is it still flak?
feral verge
you pretty much want exactly this @onyx oracle
burn and cloud radius are your most important stats
warp flurry is a little bugged rn but it still mostly works
crit is important because when purga crits, it increases the amount of 'burn stacks' applied to an enemy
north cradle
I just watched all the missions expire at once
feral verge
?
north cradle
Yeh exactly
fiery atlas
COMMIT WAR CRIMES NYAAAAAA
onyx oracle
Thanks so much!
silk ridge
What stats is preferred for psyker curios?
feral verge
Thanks so much!
np
feral verge
What stats is preferred for psyker curios?
stacked toughness ,or hp
preference
i prefer stacked hp
fiery atlas
What stats is preferred for psyker curios?
love some toughness + max hp
north cradle
I like Max Health, Toughness Regen, Gunner/Sniper Resist, and I dunno about third
feral verge
i have 260hp feels nice
fiery atlas
toughness and gunner resist is the play
feral verge
toughness regen is really important
feral verge
you can get up to 90%
spice veldt
I mainly melee so I stack stam Regen, Sprint eff, and block eff
north cradle
And Deflector can't block longlas
ember hornet
ngl deflector just seems bad, fun but bad
spice veldt
and wanting to do anything besides blocking
ember hornet
gunners delete it in 0.2 seconds
silk ridge
gunners 
cyan notch
nah u can tank it
ember hornet
if you cancel block spam
ember hornet
yeah I'm just saying deflectors not good enough overall to be worth it
sacrificing curio slots for it etc
cyan notch
its rpetty good utility if you already have a damage blessing imo
u dont need curios for it
ember hornet
I'd rather just slide
I mean it's fun and occasionally useful don't get me wrong
but vs just sliding and normal play
eh
cyan notch
id rather just use a tac axe or something for horde stuff
ember hornet
yeah I'm just not gonna use anything except force sword on psyker
cause it just feels right
cyan notch
not too bad
ember hornet
oh, I wasn't accounting for peril block
maiden gate
Peril block is a must for deflector
past crest
any working on going out with a bang?
fiery atlas
Ok dueling sword ebic
shadow wigeon
Peril block is a must for deflector
I have been using it without, and while it is a lot weaker, you can still get value in the most important moments
Tanking just a little bit of ranged that surprised you
it's tricky though... but I feel like it still works.
I have been using this as an all-rounder. Not my #1 weapon but it feels like a swiss army knife at least.
austere estuary
just thinking
if trying to actively farm some blessings for unlocking, maybe better to get the lowest modifier stat wep from brunt to have cheaper cost to get first bless?
cyan portal
Deflector is great when facing down a group of shotgunners, even with dodging to the side some of them will get you.
get some block efficiency, run a +3 stam, and you're able to survive some situations that other pskers couldn't possibly.
spice veldt
you don't usually need block eff if you just use deflector to cover the gaps in-between your slides
shadow wigeon
just thinking
base rating affects blessing rating.
spice veldt
I prefer to just slide into shotgunners and DPS check them
austere estuary
base rating affects blessing rating.
oh no 
shadow wigeon
oh no <:NotLikeDuck:942615121136594984>
I've never seen any data on the scales, but you'll notice those T1's and T'2 on the really low levels items. and primarily 3's on higher items.
I feel like anything above 300 is getting T3's, but no idea if it scales (so that it's most worth blessing fancy items only)
cyan notch
I've never seen any data on the scales, but you'll notice those T1's and T'2 on ...
i think thats sub level 30 only
shadow wigeon
i think thats sub level 30 only
No I've rolled plenty lately.
cyan notch
i got level 2 on a 380 green
shadow wigeon
Yeah I've seen some T2's, but proportionately many more T3's on higher level gear.
The other consideration is - if you hit the blessing you want, it may be ideal to have it on a weapon roll you actually want to keep.
cyan notch
didnt they already make it so brunt will never roll below 300
shadow wigeon
didnt they already make it so brunt will never roll below 300
Yeah that may mitigate it actually
I was rolling some sub 300's at the time
But I have this feeling that my low 300's have lower chance rolls... but I can't substantiate that. Could have just been back luck.
fierce sinew
base rating affects blessing rating.
I've seen this speculated but nobody has ever had a source (the lua, dev comms, nothing)
do you have?
cyan notch
finally got the fabled max plasteel
fierce sinew
nice
feral mango
I know this isn't the best, but thoughts?
spice veldt
high cloud radius but burn is pretty low
cyan notch
its ok ur probably at like 12 stacks which will be less damage on bosses
i like channeling and flurry so blessings are great
shadow wigeon
I've seen this speculated but nobody has ever had a source (the lua, dev comms, ...
No, just from empirical testing of rolling ~200 greys. I initially was trying to be economical and rolled lowest ones first. Very bad results. Switched to rolling 360+ only and hardly ever saw a T1 again. I tried it 1 more time later, with similar results. This was all pre-"brunt min 300".
feral verge
the burn is big ouch
big oof
burn and cloud radius are the most important stats for purga
but the perks are good
feral mango
I know, that is why I said it isn't the best.
feral verge
ik
but yo u asked for thoughts
warp flurry is a good blessing (even though it's partially broken atm)
feral mango
But out of 6 rolls today, so far this is the best stave I have gotten in all the ones I have done, thanks for the thoughts guys.
feral verge
it was fun for me at first too, tbh. cuz i got really lucky
and i got allot of good shit
shadow wigeon
I know this isn't the best, but thoughts?
Cloud is better than burn if you have to pick one. What are the actual max stacks on burn 31%? (inspect it and hover over)
feral verge
but the luck has run out, and im stockpiling mats until it's fixed, or they add new shit
fierce sinew
No, just from empirical testing of rolling ~200 greys. I initially was trying to...
did you record this anywhere?
feral mango
Cloud is better than burn if you have to pick one. What are the actual max stack...
Currently in a game, give me a bit.
fierce sinew
burn is more or less binary, if it's 76+ you're good, if it's less than that it goes in the trash
not really any in between
feral verge
fr? never checked
shadow wigeon
did you record this anywhere?
No, wish I had - the sample size was low, but the consistency in results was pretty stark.
fierce sinew
it doesn't matter for horde, but lower max is such an avoidable L for everything else
fierce sinew
No, wish I had - the sample size was low, but the consistency in results was pre...
I just ask because I went through a few hundred and noticed no such relationship, but I didn't record either
I wish someone had more patience and did
wide tiger
whoever told me rapiers cant trigger rampage with light attacks was wrong
shadow wigeon
I just ask because I went through a few hundred and noticed no such relationship...
Well for me, I rolled around 30 sub-320 greys before I realized I was hitting T1's an awful lot. Switched to 360+ and hardly saw any, if at all.
summer prairie
it can cleave 3 groaners, not poxwalkers
shadow wigeon
I'm surprised to even see a T2 now, whereas the low rolls were generating many T1's and T2's
wide tiger
I think it might be able to do more with maximum rending then cause i just got it off 3 lasgunners
feral mango
Cloud is better than burn if you have to pick one. What are the actual max stack...
At 31% burn I have a max stack count of 11.
wide tiger
tier 3 rampage tier 4 uncanny on a mkV
fierce sinew
I have 3 staff t4 blessings and 2 of them were on sub 300s 
rolling from gray to blue and dismantling
feral verge
at 80, my purga has max stack count of 15
shadow wigeon
Yeah only rolling grey to blue
fierce sinew
76-80 is 15
shadow wigeon
Could be a non-thing. For me, the distriuton of T1's was the starkest change.
fierce sinew
I wish they would just come out and tell us so neurotics like me could just do the optimal thing and just complain about being unlucky
inner tranq is much much better
warp unleashed doesn't boost your dot damage
feral verge
this is what i been running with it
fierce sinew
just that doodoo damage you see at the top of the screen there
feral verge
oh yeah not worth
shadow wigeon
At 31% burn I have a max stack count of 11.
What difficulty are you playing with it? The issue is that you're just going to hit a lower ceiling of damage with it. It may not matter on smaller mobs, but at higher difficulty you will be giving up a considerable amount of damage against bigger health pools.
feral mango
What difficulty are you playing with it? The issue is that you're just going to ...
Malice and heresy mostly, damnation if I feel like taking a risk with randoms.
fierce sinew
unironically agree
feral verge
me too
fierce sinew
no penance shitters
shadow wigeon
Better teamates
The unfortunate truth.
feral mango
I have had the opposite effect with damnation.
feral verge
on my alt psyker, i lose way more games than my main psyker lmao
feral mango
Just tried one, the zealot charged a mutant that was flying off the side.
fierce sinew
the number of people just praying to be carried while they work on whatever nonsense challenge is too high
feral verge
alt pskyer is level 9, levelling up in malice
feral mango
And he went with the mutant.
shadow wigeon
Malice and heresy mostly, damnation if I feel like taking a risk with randoms.
For sure that's fine for malice. Probably heresy as well. Test it out in meat grinder a bit, see if there are any enemies you find it particularly slow against. Most people dump more fire than necessary anyway (rather than let dots do as much work as they could), so you may well be fine.
shut ether
Not to mention the plasteel gainz
summer prairie
@wide tiger I can't get it to cleave 3 targets with uncanny 3
feral mango
Will do.
shadow wigeon
Malice and heresy mostly, damnation if I feel like taking a risk with randoms.
Pugatus stacks are not linear - so the more you add, the damage scales up. That's why more stacks = even higher total dots.
feral verge
a maxed purga fucks. not as hard as zealot flamor, but it fucks
spice veldt
of course, the more stacks you have, their relative contribution of each stack to the net damage also decreases
forest coral
they will never be as cool as their older cousin, flamer
feral verge
well when flamer nerfs come
forest coral
(they get compared to alot at thanksgiving dinners)
feral verge
i just hope it's not a blanket flame type weapon nerf
where they reduce cloud radius or dmg tickrate or somethingm across the board
half iron
it’s just like the task in medbay
shadow wigeon
I assume range nerfing it might be easiest, and make purg a strategic option.
spice veldt
nerfing the cleave of purg is probably better
people really seem to underappreciate the range of purgatus/flamer, huh
shut ether
Or just remove the anti armor interaction with zealot ult
That’s the real reason it’s strong
feral verge
What's the range of purga again? I'm not in game to test
spice veldt
the scaling is from 10m to 17.5m
cyan notch
16m max pretty sure
spice veldt
an 80% cloud radius purg has 16m of range
feral verge
Mine has a cloud radius of 78
cyan notch
flamer is like 22 or something lmao
feral verge
I'm gonna toss it. Piece of shit. Need 80 cloud
summer prairie
flamer does 60% more damage than purg and tics 33% more frequently, longer range, broken interaction with the ult
feral verge
Wow I didn't know it at a higher tic rate
near wyvern
flamer does 60% more damage than purg and tics 33% more frequently, longer range...
Better nerf Psykers then
summer prairie
purg stacks last longer but that usually doesn't matter
shut ether
Honestly…..let’s just nerf the Psyker - Obese starfish HQ
spice veldt
the gunner is 10m from me and the plague ogryn is 16m
wish the psykanium had rectangular patterns on the ground to make it easier to see
the damage is problematic but being able to spread to everything and everyone is the real banger of flamethrowers
you see people complaining about voidstrike doing poorly against mixed hordes because the projectile gets pretty much stopped dead in its track, whereas the purg does not give a fuck
feral verge
Yee
spice veldt
it was the same problem with the pre-nerf power sword
and given that the power sword had its cleave and cleave distribution nerfed, that's how I predict it going for the flamer/purg
I don't recall the general damage of the power sword getting touched on besides that
ember hornet
TLDR weapons with infinite scaling/cleave are hard to balance relatively
cyan notch
good thing theres a bunch of blessings with ignore hit mass
wide tiger
the question is, does purg get hit the same way
cyan notch
good luck on those
spice veldt
they did see a problem with it by nerfing devastating strike
the problem is that they didn't touch brutal momentum at all for whatever reason
ember hornet
nah dude
let's give lights with 1.3 cleave and a minimum of 33 damage, infinite cleave
ez
we only want people to light spam in this game
so we made heavies bad
spice veldt
IX heavy sword be like
magic burrow
why would they nerf purgatus though
ember hornet
heavy sword with its casual +165% damage
they wouldn't nerf purg probably
but they would nerf flamer
spice veldt
heavy swords with a casual 7.5 cleave on not only their heavies but also on their fucking lights
shut ether
Dodge distance hehe
shut ether
Clearly OP
magic burrow
how about the mk II
cyan notch
all lights are now stabs
spice veldt
feral verge
All my homies hate mk2
spice veldt
the website is here btw
https://dt.wartide.net/calc/
shut ether
Whoah Whoah 6 cleave on the push attack? That’s a nerfin
spice veldt
cuz fuck u
ember hornet
meanwhile hammer has 16.1 cleave with slaughterer a 1 thrust stack, does basically 0 damage to the 3rd enemy
even with 135% power
spice veldt
don't worry; the push-attack has the same cleave distribution as the lights
feral verge
And it's a saber too... Made for cutting
spice veldt
8.81 cleave damage on the 4th target and beyond on bodyshots lmao
feral verge
Dueling sword cult never die
Stfu you got no DRIP
Dueling sword got the drip
Dueling sword SOAKED
near wyvern
why would they make a weapon with cleave damage only have 2 cleave
Wait till you hear that it has a blessing that increases damage if you hit 3 targets with it 
shut ether
Got as much drip as that oblivion high elf in your pfp
wide tiger
Chainswords when they crit and have dev strike they consume their special activation and do nothing
they never fixed it
they left it like that
its so dumb.
feral verge
Got as much drip as that oblivion high elf in your pfp <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
That's Mankar Camoran
More than a high elf
spice veldt
aha oops I accidentally posted the psyker trailer where they showed a psyker with a heavy sword
https://youtu.be/bkB3Al45auA?t=64
forest coral
elfff?
cyan notch
if axes didnt have brutal momentum theyd be pretty shit tbh
wide tiger
aha oops I accidentally posted the psyker trailer where they showed a psyker wit...
Why do you hurt me so
shut ether
if axes didnt have brutal momentum theyd be pretty shit tbh
Eh you can stack power boost pretty hard with blessings
feral verge
Fatshark hates the melee psyker
spice veldt
though the heavies/lights will still have poopoo cleave
cyan notch
nobody used axes in vt2 as a main weapon cuz they didnt cleave shit
spice veldt
for reference, the antax has 1.3 cleave on its lights and heavies
shut ether
This isn’t Vermintide
spice veldt
meaning that it can only cleave two groaners/poxwalkers by default
near wyvern
This isn’t Vermintide
Ahh ok so cleave must be worthless then
shut ether
They wouldn’t be shit without brutal momentum but they would be more situational
spice veldt
i suppose if you were bringing a hordeclear ranged weapon
but that would pretty much limit the viability to zealots/psykers
shut ether
I’d really just like more staff options/blessings
wide tiger
its clear the surge and purg were unfinished
shut ether
Every staff needs a different primary fire too. It’s lazy that they share one
wide tiger
straight line lightning bolt for surge
spice veldt
give me a fucking laser
spice veldt
i will shit my pants if our next staff is another CC staff
shut ether
Next staff puts up a flame wall that damages enemies walking through and blocks shooter vision
spice veldt
Next staff puts up a flame wall that damages enemies walking through and blocks ...
i will shit in your pants
shut ether
How sick would that be
spice veldt
would be nice as a "use it, swap to melee, and forget about it" option
but it's CC so i say no
cold geode
electrical gate that stuns anything passing through it
robust relic
next staff wil create a big AOE fire patch on the ground that does friendly fire damage
cold geode
doesn't block vision to much, and is as big as an air lock door on hab drekyo
shut ether
next staff wil create a big AOE fire patch on the ground that does friendly fire...
To put underneath the camo vet
cold geode
persistence of gate lasts with cast time, primary is a lightening shotgun
olive ember
Tbh I hated using the laser in vermintide 2
feral verge
Next staff will summon hadron
olive ember
had the audio feedback of using a fucking laserpointer
robust relic
a staff that actually created a limited duration wall would be cool, when broken down would damage the horde there, seal off an area so you can rez or do some objective
spice veldt
I like the lightning guns in quake, so I want lasers
shut ether
Oh like a persistent laser that you could drag around and cut things in half
spice veldt
preferably without movement slowdown
or a blessing that lets me move at fuckin walking speed while casting the secondary
i'm also going to shit my pants if it's another charge secondary
just let me hold down the button to do X thing
robust relic
teleport staff, use trauma staff visual to place an area, same area around you teleports to the location you pick
spice veldt
instead of having to hold down the button, wait for it to charge, then for it to do X thing
cold geode
could also do a lightening that that makes the trapped mob zap other people around them
shut ether
teleport staff, use trauma staff visual to place an area, same area around you t...
Teleports behind you
cyan notch
its gonna be a secondary charge
shut ether
Yeah probs
feral verge
Rapid fire staff lmb, close to mid range, rmb shotgun type blast close range
shut ether
Or it’s not a staff at all but some type of warp shackles
That you swing around and slap people at midrange
robust relic
a staff that turns a small section of the horde against itself
spice veldt
wololo
feral verge
Darktide is the dark souls of vermintide games
shut ether
You’re all hired
spice veldt
for a degenerate like you, sure
spice veldt
you'd probably get t3 perks during consecration tho
feral verge
Look at the poor
shut ether
Save your melkbucs
spice veldt
i'd hold off on spending my milk bottles
robust relic
Save your melkbucs
milkies
cold geode
staff/double headed glaive, special action powers it up, primary shoots a glaive shaped bolt, secondary does a short range beam attack
forest coral
you do not have enough milkies to buy this gun
shut ether
Can we talk about why the staff special is completely useless and might as well not be in the game?
cyan notch
most ranged specials are garbage
shut ether
Replace it with something useful ffs
feral verge
It's saved me a total of 5 timrs
cold geode
wait for the auto roller to fix my fucking weapon...
shut ether
What if new wep drops
Honestly we are unlikely to see new content until they finish stuff and drop a balance patch
feral verge
Ik
summer prairie
they literally said there would be a content patch this month
shut ether
Games as a service amirite
feral verge
I don't have high hopes
feral verge
But still playing it safe
spice veldt
NOW
cyan notch
why does it have to be 2h
feral verge
give me my 2h force sword
Please
summer prairie
force knife
spice veldt
because 2h swords are cool
shut ether
Why can’t it be a two-footer
feral verge
force knife
No. Fuck off.
spice veldt
ur mid
cyan notch
why cant it be another force sword that does things
shut ether
We just need any other melee force weapon tbh
spice veldt
a 2h weapon in general would be nice for Psyker
feral verge
Do you really want a slightly different copy lol
Or a brand new weapon type for psyker
spice veldt
I just want a force weapon with a different special
something more horde-clear focused
shut ether
I want it to send out a flat pulse after charged that cuts everything it hits in half
robust relic
thats all force swards do though in 40k, they glow and kill people, they don't do whiz bang nutty things
feral verge
What about the psyker behind the sword
shut ether
What about a sword wielding a Psyker?
robust relic
psykers just do cool shit, they dont need a weapon for that
cyan notch
We need a horde clear melee bad
devils claw chainsword
shut ether
Yes but we also need more non-sword options
feral verge
A force non-greatsword
cyan notch
no 2h shit is mid
spice veldt
ur mid
shut ether
Yo mamá
cyan notch
look at combat axe vs tac axe
shut ether
cyan notch
theyre both 1h with one doing more damage
robust relic
is mid bad? Im old
spice veldt
mid is another way of saying average/milquetoast/etc.
feral verge
Middling
shut ether
Basic. Not special. Uninteresting
robust relic
so it's not rad
spice veldt
dream of 2h force swords
shut ether
robust relic
dream of psykers that suck less and don't need weapons to cast their psyker powers
in the world of 40k we are very mid psykers, having to use force weapons to cast our psy powers
cyan portal
I wish the special attack of all staffs was the push attack the laspistol has.
wide tiger
mid psykers? we're like garbage bin psykers
robust relic
examine the wonderful things we, as telekinetic psykers, should be able to learn https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Sanctioned_Psyker#Telekinetics
wide tiger
gotta be honest we do a lot of things on that list
granted we kinda need the force weaponry to do em
hybrid solstice
there are actually much worse psykers than the ones we play as, apparently most psykers can barely do anything with their powers (or more accurately lack thereof)
robust relic
"Minor psychic powers are tricks and knacks that those with even a shadow of psychic ability can learn." includes healing. wtb.
wide tiger
there are actually much worse psykers than the ones we play as, apparently most ...
Sounds like me when i play my gun psyker
robust relic
It feels like it kinda sucks tbh
it stuns things, if your party needs that it's good
hybrid solstice
lel
robust relic
if you want to kill stuff then melee, or use purg, or use void if you are edgy
olive ember
Doesn’t even stun a lot of things
it stuns 5 things, which is enough when your team is getting eaten by 3 dogs and then tossed around by 2 mutants
robust relic
void is all edgelords, all the time, when you equip it nothing but nine inch nails plays from any nearby speakers you have, your clothes all turn black, its a whole thing
robust relic
IMO the skill ceiling for void is high, you can do some really cool things with it, but mostly it's not better than purg unless you have a killer roll and are really good with it
hearty mesa
Void?
robust relic
and if you are only ok with it, and only ok with purg, you will do far more with purg
hybrid solstice
I think it's easily the second best staff
robust relic
I am very rarely wowed by a void player doing cool shit vs a purg player doing cool shit, they never seem to carry as hard, its like why not just have a sharpshooter if you are bringing a void?
cyan notch
sharpshooter cant kill horde at range
hybrid solstice
well idk what you mean by cool shit, purg is just spraying into hordes
spice veldt
void is CC, not really damage
i will shit in the pants of anyone who compares it to a gun
olive ember
Purge can kill everything besides carapace
so literally anything besides crushers
voidstrike.... ehhhh
summer prairie
void is probably the highest psyker dps if you trust the scoreboard
robust relic
void is probably the highest psyker dps if you trust the scoreboard
its all overkill
summer prairie
even without it
wide tiger
good players in other classes trounce voidstrike dps
olive ember
thats why I bring my surge staff
hybrid solstice
like purg is a pretty braindead staff to use i legitimately think the most advanced tech it has is puffing to stagger specials (aka left clicking)
olive ember
best staff in game
wide tiger
thats why I bring my surge staff
😦
olive ember
I mean purge staff tech is more about using Ascendant Blaze properly tbh
wide tiger
for sure
olive ember
voidstrike is just a lot of jank macro memery and god blessings to get it good
hybrid solstice
sure yeah it has good synergy with that
summer prairie
with flurry it's a bit over 1s full charge with animations and you hit for 500+ and cleave 6 (or more if groaners), not that surprising it's high dps
hybrid solstice
I would love to try a voidstrike with tier 4 blazing spirit or surge but for all i know those blessings are a myth 😛
wide tiger
is there a tier 4 blazing spirit?
hybrid solstice
i just assume there is
olive ember
well I guess if you used the macro to machine gun
wide tiger
but crit on surge aint it
It'll be better when they fix nexus
wide tiger
oh you mean surge staff
proven star
I originally never meant to bother with the penances for Psyker dudes, but I got the kill 3 elites with explosion by accident on purpose
Why the hell they gotta make me try to tell every group I wanna solo the monst? I wish the set wasn't so drippy
hybrid solstice
I would say the staves all need buffs but i understand that's a dangerous thing to touch since staves have insane ammo economy in that you only need to manage a very forgiving peril system
robust relic
I originally never meant to bother with the penances for Psyker dudes, but I got...
gotta premade that one, only takes one run generally then
wide tiger
I would say the staves all need buffs but i understand that's a dangerous thing ...
I'm gonna be honest with you i have never run out of ammo on the other classes
spice veldt
depends on how the grenade slot weapon of other psyker subclasses go
wide tiger
i loot, and i never run out of ammo. like ever
spice veldt
the current staffs are fine IMO, but we just need single-target DPS staffs
olive ember
I mean purge staff is a poor mans flamer, but with all the versatility a flamer doesn't rly have
proven star
It's not complicated but severely annoying lmao
wide tiger
i dont get teh argument that staves need to be sad because ammo economy
proven star
Guess I'll try, thanks
hybrid solstice
I'm gonna be honest with you i have never run out of ammo on the other classes
actually i concur, and even seeing other people run out has been very rare now that i think about it
spice veldt
it's not the ammo economy but also the fact that we have another weapon in our grenade slot, and they're still good for killing 1+ enemies
olive ember
Ammo economy is pbad imo nowadays
since everyone is just running fucking autopistols and autoguns
robust relic
since everyone is just running fucking autopistols and autoguns
mg12 or gtfo
olive ember
I mean I heard they are good but
¯_(ツ)_/¯
can't tell when everyone is on orange ammo by the 4th room
hybrid solstice
bro like deadass, brainburst needs to be instant or near instant, i would gladly take a massive increase in peril cost or something
hybrid solstice
i know but i can dream
olive ember
it should just have an increase in damage
idk why a fucking poxburster or a poxhound takes two BB on damnation
and I think heresy as well?
wide tiger
yeah, i think mutants are 3?
spice veldt
BB is a utility weapon so I'm fine with that
olive ember
used to be 4 or 5 iirc
robust relic
BB should kill anything short of an ogryn on damnation imo
wide tiger
If you do cerebral and warp battery you can make quick work of most anything
spice veldt
i do not want the psyker meta to just be holding down LMB with an aim assist weapon
wide tiger
its the flamers
hybrid solstice
they would have to rework penances for that lmao
Actually reworking penances would not be a big deal i think
olive ember
nah reworking penances would be immeasurably complex
why else do you think out with a bang is still a penance
robust relic
nah reworking penances would be immeasurably complex
they already did it once
olive ember
4 months into the game
hybrid solstice
Like how hard is it comparatively to program or modify a penance compared to anything else in this game
i wager not nearly
wide tiger
See: Vicious slice
hybrid solstice
nah reworking penances would be immeasurably complex
olive ember
they already did it once
they changed the threshold from boss penance from 100% hp to 90% hp, changed the push achievement from 20 to 8, and increased the time for pick n mix from 10 to 12
wouldn't call that reworking tbf
hybrid solstice
Going out with a bang is peak grief who came up with these
wide tiger
Do you think their prime programmers are already working on a new game?
and they just have like
interns doing changes
hybrid solstice
this isnt halo reach where you can keep reloading to try and land on top of that one elite at the bottom of a cliff to assassinate it for the cheevo
smh
fatfart
wet belfry
Is the blessing surge on the voidstrike actually worth it?
robust relic
Is the blessing surge on the voidstrike actually worth it?
you need transfer peril, mostly
olive ember
Is the blessing surge on the voidstrike actually worth it?
nope
it really isn't
if you run surge + transfer peril you have a 5% chance to crit
wet belfry
olive ember
in which case, you would be better off running transfer peril + flurry
if you are running surge + warp nexus, then it ups it to 15%, assuming they fix nexus then maybe 20-25 depending on wte threshold they set
steel flame
Whole lot of burst dps
olive ember
but then you have to quell, which ruins one of the main strongpoints of the voidstrike
so no
surge is not even that good
idle bay
Whole lot of burst dps
Add occasions BB from Flaying on Top
olive ember
you are better off running the basic bitch transfer peril + flurry
burst DPS on the random poxwalker kek
steel flame
Boring
olive ember
sadly Fatshark doesn't particularly design with fun in mind
steel flame
Two shots make more funny noise than 1 shot. You argument is invalid
idle bay
That noise makes totaly worth it to have that T4 Blessing 🙂 I can confirm
Also realisation that it was in fact double damage + crit on top
cyan notch
half the time when i was testing it i didnt even realise it proc'd
had to look at the yellow number
steel flame
Ugh. I still working on getting a perfect laspistol. Maybe then I'll move onto getting a better voide
Trying to craft of blessings sucks
steel flame
I just keep getting ghost t3 on mine
cyan notch
how do u play for crits
olive ember
easy
steel flame
Tough Regen on crit kill and infernus
steel flame
Lean into that 25% crit chance
cyan notch
what is toughness regen on crit kill
wet belfry
You just gotta headshot and crit and you will 1 shot most enemys!
steel flame
what is toughness regen on crit kill
cyan notch
damn +6%
steel flame
Not my best one. Still working on getting a better Regen blessing along with infernus
robust meteor
nice meme
cyan notch
at least revolver looks and sounds and handles cool
steel flame
T4 is 10%
cyan notch
laspistol is like looks shit sounds shit handles mid
steel flame
Well I find it extremely enjoyable. With all the flamer zealots running around I can afford to go all in on melting elites and specials.
And knife is also really run with las
cyan notch
yea im just talking about aesthetics
olive ember
I mean if they added secondary it might have a niche
like flamer primary, laspistol secondary, and thammer melee
or some shit
idk
steel flame
Well anyway there's my obligatory laspistol post to please the warp gods
I mean the emprah
cyan notch
itll probably be better on another psyker subclass
olive ember
cope
cyan notch
i mean theres not much lower it can go lmao
river sand
I've played around 50 damnation matches last week. most of them had a second psyker with me. an i haven't seen a single gunpsyker, so either they guys posting bout guns here a just trolling or they keep playing uprise and feel strong there ....
fierce sinew
you're on the internet
olive ember
Idk what you mean
fierce sinew
loud, overrepresented minority of weird degenerates is the norm, not the exception
olive ember
My laspistol shreds
steel flame
loud, overrepresented minority of weird degenerates is the norm, not the excepti...
Rude. I'm not wierd
olive ember
Those non gunkers are all meta slaves
The time it takes for them to BB on shooter
My las pistol would just tear through like 5 of em
steel flame
Laceration makes it shred even harder
olive ember
Worked in uprisinging, in malice, it def would work in Damnation
steel flame
Those poor innocent children
ornate hamlet
Revolver and sabre on t5 is fun
steel flame
So pure
ornate hamlet
But check this out, it's getting spicy!
olive ember
Flesh tearer oof
cyan portal
My theory is gun psykers are just bad at staves and so think the guns are relatively good because they haven't got a vet to compare it to.
olive ember
Into the garbage it goes
ornate hamlet
My theory is gun psykers are just bad at staves and so think the guns are relati...
I went to guns because staves got boringly easy
olive ember
My theory is gun psykers are just bad at staves and so think the guns are relati...
I was carrying vets in my games idk what you are saying
steel flame
Ive been rolling a knife with bleed on non weak spot and mercy killer and its disgusting in hordes
steel egret
When you are so good you need to use guns to distract yourself from lack of Surge blessing.
ornate hamlet
Surge would make it even more boring
steel egret
But I would have it
steel egret
I dont want to believe that.
olive ember
Fk now I need a surge blessing
steel egret
I just need surge blessing.
ornate hamlet
Imagine having such a bad take where you think that sabre and revolver in t5 is for people who can't skill.
steel flame
The real problem with gun psykers comes with teams without other people with crowd clear
Can really suck on those missions
ornate hamlet
I crowd clear really easily
steel egret
I dont like dueling swords.
steel flame
I wanna see more braced autogun vets
olive ember
People said laspistol bad but I was hard carrying https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1084926731560951958/image.png
steel flame
And less power sword samurai
ornate hamlet
Laspistol is the next thing I wanna flex.
cyan notch
whats a power sword samurai
steel egret
People said laspistol bad but I was hard carrying https://cdn.discordapp.com/att...
I generally dont listen to people who Queue randomly with me to missions.
cyan portal
plenty of terrible vets that need carrying for sure, besides the point. You'd be more effective shooting if you'd rolled a vet.
ornate hamlet
Helps if your FoV is minimum to make those headshots easier
Also helps your fov at minimum if your screen is ultrawide.
steel egret
But I want to see more.
olive ember
Nah my gunpsyker outshoots those stupid vets
ornate hamlet
Seeing more is great for CQC, not so much for making those nice juicy headshots at 40+ meters.
If your FOV is max, 40 meters you can hardly see shit
olive ember
Pew pew and shooters die and unlike those vets I got a CC for my ability and BB for crushers
Like laspistol just delete em, two shots to the body n yeah
spice veldt
go into options and change your fov really quickly when you need it
ornate hamlet
I'm in mission, later guys.
cyan portal
Like laspistol just delete em, two shots to the body n yeah
do you have a 30 vet?
olive ember
Don’t need one
steel egret
Vets can only explode with a plasma gun, hence why psyker is better.
olive ember
Laspistol just deletes shooter packs
Two shots into the body and they dead
Funny click click
steel egret
I also build passive regen with laspistol when there is downtime and not firing.
By spamming jedi push.
steel flame
Rip passive quell
olive ember
Lol your fault for exploiting and making your build around a bug
steel egret
Not a problem for me, I enjoy the regular passive quell.
cyan portal
Vet is like having 12 stacks of wc, which you trigger instantly by pressing 1 button and can keep forever so long as you can aim, which is even helped by your fov zooming in. Honestly if you like gunpsyker you should try a vet at least.
cyan portal
Sure, well at least you're confirming my theory that gun psykers think it is a good build because they don't know any better.
olive ember
I know plenty so yeah
spice veldt
i think it's fine since guns in general are good
steel flame
Psyker is the only class I still play after leveling everything up. I just find it to be the most engaging class. I love all the staff builds. Space wizard is really cool. But I have never been one to stick with just the most obvious stuff that works.
I find great enjoyment in taking something that everyone has written of and optimizing the fuck out of it till I can not just make it work but excel with it. Is it more work? Yes. But its way more fun than staying in the tiny meta box
olive ember
I do it for the meme
steel flame
I do it for the meme
Truly a higher tier of being
cyan portal
Yeah they are fine, as in it is possible to clear damnation with them. But you'd be contributing more (be less of a burden) to the team as a vet. Doing it for memes is fine, arguing that it is actually a good build is something else.
olive ember
But it is tho 🤔
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081319003479355412/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081306969366876251/image.png
Easily beat hi5
Hard carry
Vets never seen anything like it
cyan portal
10% toughness on bb kill? do you bb a lot?
steel flame
You also have me a bit confused
spice veldt
derpy is joshing you
note the fact that he's taking Warp Unleashed with no force weapons
spice veldt
and the fact that he chose Quicken
that motherfucking Quicken is what irks me
even though I know it's a meme build
olive ember
It’s so shit
steel flame
Really has no reason to exist
cyan portal
he has no other way to quell though, lol. I mean I'm sure you could beat hi5 with that
olive ember
We did
spice veldt
i like to flush my warp charges down the drain
olive ember
Where’s the video links
steel flame
We did
You can beat t5 with anything If you try hard enough, but that doesn't look like a fun experience
steel egret
You can beat t5 with anything If you try hard enough, but that doesn't look like...
Or if you get carried.
olive ember
It’s genuinely an eye opening experience
steel flame
Lol
steel flame
Or if you get carried.
Being carried isnt always a fun experience
steel egret
Being carried isnt always a fun experience
Darktide in general
Isnt always a fun experience
olive ember
Ogryn chat is arguing about if someone is aimbotting
🍿
Does look a bit sus but I don’t play ogryn enough or know how the guns work to rly have an opinion
spice veldt
it's obfuscated by the extremely twitchy aim
sus but it's not enough for me to have any particular opinion about it
olive ember
Yea
I think the most sus is when he domes a bunch of elites with the ripper gun back to back with one burst each
But again I don’t rly use ogryn guns enough
Or okay ogryn enough in general
restive slate
Many claim mkV ripper is best sniper
spice veldt
can't kill enemies 100000 kilometers away, so BB is better
restive slate
I have yet to master the sprint cancel ripper snipe
olive ember
can't kill enemies 100000 kilometers away, so BB is better
You say that like the psykers jank lock on will actually work past like 100m
restive slate
Psyker bb gets defeated by fence
steel flame
Does look a bit sus but I don’t play ogryn enough or know how the guns work to r...
Ya know if I was gonna aimbot with a weapon. The shotgun would not have been my choice.
restive slate
fences also don't exist in space
Only pox hounds go to space
olive ember
Ya know if I was gonna aimbot with a weapon. The shotgun would not have been my ...
Tbf that’s the only direct fire weapon ogryn has with any form of accuracy
Grenade gauntlet is arcing, stubber is stubber, and then you got the kickback and rumbler
void arch
Gauntlet can snipe if your aim isn’t shit
olive ember
We’re talking about aimbot
Gauntlet wouldn’t work I don’t think since it’s a launcher
Then again I could be talking out my ass
steel flame
I just realized something. It's probably my severe ADHD that makes gun psyker so appealing to me, the same way throwing axe ranger bardin in vt2 did. I have so many different things to focus on and manage at once that I can actually fully engage with the game. Always feel like I'm just coasting through with the traditional psyker builds
fiery atlas
Might take a break from BB as psyker and do force sword memes
Dueling sword is fun but mmmm makes me worried at times
olive ember
it's obfuscated by the extremely twitchy aim
Yeah that seems a bit sus NGL
The snap up and then the 90 degree snap right
FS is much fun
Lots of blocking bullets and pushing and funny force sword special attack
near wyvern
so satisfying to get that shotgunner rhythm right, fuck those guys
spice veldt
smh god gave you a force sword to charge at shotgunners
olive ember
so satisfying to get that shotgunner rhythm right, fuck those guys
https://stre...
Hot damn teach me your ways
steel flame
They wouldn't be so bad if you could reliably stun them.
steel flame
so satisfying to get that shotgunner rhythm right, fuck those guys
https://stre...
Hurry up and make some shotgun dodge dodge revolution music
steel flame
Oh dear God it's happened. All the psykers got Thanos snapped by the warp
spice veldt
f
steel flame
Yes my beloved, that's right, they all argued they were real but in the end they were just dreams after all
cyan notch
fallow meadow
Just found out different wep type don't share the same blessing pool you stock. This is disappointing.
steel flame
Just found out different wep type don't share the same blessing pool you stock. ...
Welcome to fatshark land
olive ember
Welcome Welcome
don't worry tho, they are account wide in case you ever get a surge staff on your vet
split solstice
So gunpsykers can only BB on gunfire every 15 seconds right?
olive ember
yep
split solstice
... i don't get why they are a thing then
I'm willing to be educated on what I'm missing
spice veldt
guns themselves are good so gunkers aren't too bad
split solstice
steel flame
I mean kb still exists
spice veldt
and pure melee + BB can carry you through a game as a psyker
I've done a game like that before
steel flame
It really can
Went a while mission without ever getting ammo for my pea shooter and it's perfectly viable to never use your range
split solstice
spice veldt
of course that's not a really good argument for taking a gun by saying that "you don't need ur ranged anyways lmao", but it's not too much of a detriment to not bring a staff
steel flame
I mean yeah
spice veldt
if the trauma staff didn't exist, i'd probably whip out a gun all the time
steel flame
But with swapping all the time between bb and gun is the reason I prefer laspistol or auto pistol for gunker. That equip time can be a killer
olive ember
<:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
the 15 second free BB is actually more used for warp charge upkeep more than anything else, since its 25 seconds for a warp charge and 15 second proc it means you can gain warpcharges if you are constantly procc'ing
cyan notch
But with swapping all the time between bb and gun is the reason I prefer laspist...
revolver
idle bay
Imagine having revolver like that in Karktide
viral solstice
theres still 2 more revolvers coming
i could definitely imagine a chain revolver for the light one
have u played hunt showdown
theres gotta be some fans of the caldwell on the darktide team
idle bay
A Bolt Pistol and Plasma Pistol also would be nice
twilit flicker
Dueling sword and revolver, the gentmans choice loadout
idle bay
Maybe not a revolver but more line Handcannon - a proper HW40k version of revolver - that puts a Grox on his butt
gilded viper
No lie revolver with speed loader (the blessing) basically fix the reload
Only problem is u cant slide > swap to range > reload fast
Have to have the gun out before sliding 
Which is unfortunate if u swap to a empty mag cause u going to start auto reloading before u can apply the buff
steel egret
Light laspistol, Hiver pipegun
vernal frost
theres gotta be some fans of the caldwell on the darktide team
tbh fanning would be sick as a revolver special
viral solstice
thats one of the planned specials isnt it
for the light
like theres a light revolver with fan and a magnum
something like that
vernal frost
I don't think I've seen anything like that yet
are you talking about the beta leak?
or the code leak
viral solstice
ye in the lua they have archetypes for weapons not in yet
vernal frost
cool cool
upbeat schooner
damn you can kill yourself twice with that thing
clear hamlet
damn you can kill yourself twice with that thing
20 times over actually
It's a 20 shot pinfire
plain talon
Should I keep the stamina on this one?
fallow meadow
5 stack Slaughterer equal to 62.5% power, right?
It seems the effect is outclassing lots of other blessing.
feral verge
Yeah it's good
fallow meadow
Most blessing only give. +5~10% effect. Such a big power level gap.
upbeat schooner
20 times over actually
yeah but you can only pull the trigger once DUMBO
clear hamlet
<:ogryn_pathetic:1083359691742122014> yeah but you can only pull the trigger onc...
oh yeah try me
I'll probably fail the first 19 times
upbeat schooner
I'll probably fail the first 19 times
no bad self talk
blissful dirge
I want to put Focused Channeling on my flame staff but it already has 2 decent blessings. Do I just go without or should I swap in something?
wide tiger
I want to put Focused Channeling on my flame staff but it already has 2 decent b...
Kinda up to you but you can always swap flurry out and then swap it back in if you own the blessing
wide tiger
not really theres like 5 total blessings you can run
you can swap out nexus if you plan to upgrade that staff to tier 4 nexus
blissful dirge
eh if I had a good amount of t4s this question would've never been asked.
shut ether
I want to put Focused Channeling on my flame staff but it already has 2 decent b...
DO you really need focused channeling?
wide tiger
I don't think you do honestly, even if you got nudged you can recharge so fast
near wyvern
Flurry and nexus would be BiS for Purge, flurry is the one you can swap if you absolutely need to use something else BUT currently flurry is bugged and nexus tresholds are clearly set wrong
shut ether
Flurry and nexus would be BiS for Purge, flurry is the one you can swap if you a...
Howso are the thresholds wrong? I'm curious
wide tiger
"Fixed unintended stacking of Warp nexus. Now all 4 stacks are gained at a linear rate of 97/98/99/100 peril respectively."
shut ether
I wouldn't put it past them
blissful dirge
buh? really? so they're only active when you're about to die?
near wyvern
Howso are the thresholds wrong? I'm curious
Based on the lua the last 2 stacks are gained at 97 peril. Based on my testing you definitely are missing 2 stacks at 90 peril so the lua is highly likely on use and true
near wyvern
If it was consistent with quelling tresholds we would have them as 30/50/90/97 now they are 30/50/97/97 if I recall correctly
shut ether
97 shouldn't be a threshold that is absurd