psyker-class

[velvet crescent]

psychic communion im thinking of grabbing asap

[viral solstice]

a very common mistake is to triple bb crusher 1 to kill it

if ur team or u and the othe rperson there have low carapace damage

thats greedy

double brain burst each of them and let the other guy finish the injured one

[velvet crescent]

roger that

[cyan notch]

absolutely not

[viral solstice]

otherwise ur just wasting a long ass armour piercing channel

for like

200 damage

[cyan notch]

i spent all that peril im getting my warp charge

[viral solstice]

also a chad option

similarly, bb-ing shotgunners is usually a less good idea than bbing say gunners

[forest coral]

you could also say ur force sword is like the nope stick for them

[viral solstice]

which tend to hold back, impair ur ranged shooters with suppression etc

whereas by the time u do a normal speed bb on a pack of 4 shotgunners the other 3 are now inside ur team

and any staff u have would have been the better option

(void one shots, trauma knocks down and 1/2 shots, surge stuns)

etc

so dont autopilot bb low hp specials if its not time efficient vs the danger ur removing

[velvet crescent]

i saw force sword has a special-in like the one second clip i saw it, it's basically a chainsword where you do extra damage to one dude or nah?

[viral solstice]

yes

huge armour piercing damage

but locks u in place

risk reward

really good tbh

[velvet crescent]

gotcha

[steel flame]

The second you see shotgunners you better hope they are about to get a FS to the face or you better get that ass sliding pronto before they put it in the ground

[viral solstice]

also stuns and cancels combos

just one shot them with voidstrike

voidstrike life

[summer prairie]

can you one-shot a scab shotgunner

without a crit

[viral solstice]

yes

[spice veldt]

force sword's special deals 200% damage against flak, so it properly annihilates them

[viral solstice]

yes

very very easily

[steel flame]

Yea

Easy

[summer prairie]

how

[viral solstice]

u can one shot a dreg gunner

[summer prairie]

it's 402 dmg base

[viral solstice]

with a max roll 25% unarmoured

[spice veldt]

hit their flak or something idk
i have no idea where their flak part is

[summer prairie]

vs scab

[viral solstice]

u just shoot over their head

they have a 2m headshot hitbox above them

[spice veldt]

oh it's voidstrike

[velvet crescent]

fwiw thanks for helping me figure things out guys, my experience with psykers have been primarily as veteran

all i know is that if i see a funny blue glow, the psyker is cooking and i should let him cook

[steel flame]

The issue with shotgunners is they don't get stunned. Killing them isn't hard.

[viral solstice]

they do get stunned

voidstirke knocks them

straight over

[spice veldt]

psykers still get warp charges even if their target gets killed as long as the BB was sufficiently charged

so don't feel too guilty

[velvet crescent]

oh, got it!

[forest coral]

Shotgunners get stunned and suppressed rather easily

[viral solstice]

this image i call "shotgunner headshot"

[steel flame]

MOST things don't stun shotgunners even when they should

[viral solstice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1084374869023653949/image.png?width=508&height=389

(no warp charges or wahtever so doesnt kill was just to show the hitbox"

but yeah its ridiculous how easy it is to hit

just shoot a metre higher than u should and u will hit it 100%

wait wheres the first one

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1084374823477714944/image.png?width=657&height=444

ok there u go

thats a "headshot"

welcome to the illuminati

and yes it works on dregs too

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/YvWJNPNxGEcVv/d1337JEaqcrD?invite=cr-MSxGMHIsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

and it will cleave up to like 4

[summer prairie]

you need warp unleashed at high peril, 5-6 stacks to one-shot and +flak on the weapon, not that easy

[viral solstice]

not high peril

[summer prairie]

yes

[viral solstice]

i mean is 50 high peril?

and yes u have 6 warp charges because ur voidstrike, u always have 6 charges

and u also have flak because... what else would u have

"not that easy" - literally 90% of voidstrike playtime conditions

[summer prairie]

I don't one-shot with 6 charges, 55% peril because I only have 20% vs flak

[viral solstice]

whats ur staff

[summer prairie]

80% dmg

[viral solstice]

that doesnt sound right

mebbe the 5% is making all the diff

u have warp unleashed?

[summer prairie]

yes

but it's 742 damage so yeah with 5% more you would one-shot at that peril

how are you always at 6 stacks with no warp charges feats though

[viral solstice]

wym i just brain burst something once every 25s

[summer prairie]

that's wasteful

[viral solstice]

well actually i play kb

i mean i have kb

so no, its not wasteful

[summer prairie]

sure but i'm not stopping my flurry

[viral solstice]

i mean its just never been a problem

sometimes u go down to 5 very briefly

[summer prairie]

uhuh

record a run please

[viral solstice]

sure

tho not rn cos im goin to be

d

but i have not seen any other psyker doing similar damage numbers

so its kind of like just obviously not an issue

u just take ur opportunities

its not impairing anything

[summer prairie]

no flurry void takes longer to kill a shotgunner than bb anyway, so not worth if you don't hit a bunch of other things

[viral solstice]

ye my old 71% damage stave with 25% flak one shots at 50%

my new one one shots at 20%

and dregs at any %

[summer prairie]

there must be some weird damage stacking

[idle bay]

That awkward moment when subway line gets a few new station and last station is no longer last, but your sleeping on the way to work habit remains the same 🙂

[summer prairie]

if 5% flak makes that much a difference

[viral solstice]

new staff has 8% weakspot damage 25% flak

but if u want to make it easier

[summer prairie]

oh, i'll rather have unarmored

[viral solstice]

u could do all or nothing on an axe or something

same

i just got scammed on perks

[summer prairie]

i've 25% unarmored 20% flak, pretty bad but usable

[viral solstice]

also the explosion

hard knocks down

so u can cc a group in a pinch

get a stagger and a couple on the ground

[summer prairie]

how many shotgunners can you one-shot with one full charge, the cleave is a bit weird

[viral solstice]

3

[summer prairie]

what's their mass, 2?

[viral solstice]

flak helmet

3 non flak too probs

[summer prairie]

both are 2 mass

[viral solstice]

3 is the most ive one shot in an actual game

ye about 6 mass is my rule of thumb

worth noting a 0.6 charge will do about 600 to 3 in a row as well

[summer prairie]

I guess +elite +flak could be good, unarmored isn't that important

[viral solstice]

yes

i think ideal would be 10% elite 25% flak

100%

[summer prairie]

I'll reroll unarmored

[viral solstice]

and if u were hard optimising

u could do brutal momentum all or nothing on an antax or something

for another 5%

[cyan notch]

then when they fix it

bricked antax

[viral solstice]

well assuming u got a locked bm

i have a thrust all or nothing rashad i use when i want to do that

but the AoN is on the free slot

[idle bay]

They may both fix and improve it.

[viral solstice]

giev unstable power on all melee weapons for psyker

simple as

[idle bay]

Imagine All or Nothing giving up to 15% power on T4, and 10% on T3

Just for having stamina

[viral solstice]

ye or, tbh, what i hope they do

is make it scale with additional stamina

[dire smelt]

[viral solstice]

so if u got ur stam curios u can be like

value

[dire smelt]

3 stam curio is comfy

more potential time spent sliding and get stuck in the level geometry

[viral solstice]

6 stam curio is super comfy

9 stam curio is DELUXE

[dire smelt]

or even find places where to fall off the map

[cyan notch]

9 stam is die to 2 bullets

[viral solstice]

incorrect

enemies are too afraid to even engage u

they see ur stamina bar

[dire smelt]

incorrect

as 9 stam

[viral solstice]

and they realise ur not to be fucked with

[dire smelt]

means you are sliding all the time

so you just DODGE bullets

[summer prairie]

with +10% elite, +20% flak it one-shots when charging from 0 peril

[viral solstice]

they see that stamina bar and theyre like "this guy doesnt obey the laws of gods or man"

[cyan notch]

stamina doesnt do anything to slide

u get shot u cant sprint = cant forward slide

[viral solstice]

ye

and with 10% elite

u should be able to one tap dreg gunners at high peril

with 25% flak

maybe even with just 10%

and 20%

[dire smelt]

isnt sprint consuming stam at a fixed rate?

so more stam more sprint/slide pool

before exhausting

[summer prairie]

I think warp unleashed stacks multiplicatively with most other damage modifiers

[viral solstice]

sorry not dreg

scab

im like 60 off a one shot on them at 75%

[cyan notch]

if ur spamming slide u dont consume any stamina so it only affects sprint

[viral solstice]

so 10% elite would get me there

but this is why i want surge

because it woudl mean 10% of the time i one shot everything every time

go surge blazing spirit just so stuff goes blue

[dire smelt]

i have a staff waiting there for that combo

problem is i have yet to find a surge perk

[viral solstice]

in general the issue with stam - and things like AoN or deadshot

is they havent figured out how they want to treat extra stam and stam regen

so eg if u take deadshot u would expect having more stam would let u shoot more because hey, its like breath training

except...

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Zq5huSxT5OPzU/d1337wxyDHPe?invite=cr-MSx4aEgsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[dire smelt]

im assuming their original intention was to allow more push attacks

or safer blocks?

[viral solstice]

what having more stam actually does is make u regen slower

ye stam is for sprint and blocks

[dire smelt]

problem is both are more or less irrelevant in the gameplay loop

[viral solstice]

but in general its just like

dont think they got round to thinking about how stuff should interact with stam

jfc thats like 12s to regen ur stam with just 2 3stam curios

and i have stam regen on curios too

lol

[dire smelt]

[near wyvern]

@feral verge
https://youtu.be/kaF6_PMLkgY

[hard oyster]

KD
15% block efficiency wep perk
10% curio block
9% from Deflector

Acually feels like the debug missions are easier when I can post up beside someone doing the clicky minigame

[hard oyster]

Astarties balls!

[viral solstice]

wait GREAT BALLS OF FIRE

THATS THE MUSIC CHOICE

u FOOL think of the social media impact u have missed out on

[cyan notch]

ok boomer

[viral solstice]

how could u call me old

ill have u know im only slightly old

[olive ember]

how old is he?

slightly old so

50

[viral solstice]

[idle bay]

Any animation cancel involved there? I'ts been a while since i used Void in missions and i forgot it's fire rate

[cyan notch]

tf is this

[jagged lance]

how tf does a run n gun blessing work on a trauma staff?????

[steel flame]

That's the fun part. It doesn't

But really it's just that you can fire the non charge bolt while running

That's literally it. Don't use the blessing

[near wyvern]

Yes it's the macro people are talking about

@idle bay

[idle bay]

Thanks!

[near wyvern]

It works on LMB, you gotta start the sprint first. It's garbage.

[idle bay]

Downside of this cool macro - another animation cancel will get broken by FS in attempt to prevent that specific cancel 🙂 We all know how it is...

[olive ember]

no more lawnmower FS

[summer prairie]

does that macro make sense (with those delays) against anything unless maybe you want to trigger blazing spirit

lmb quell cancel is way better single target dps and also staggers anyway

[near wyvern]

If you don't have blazing spirit warp nexus it's useless yes. Well you do some AoE supression and stagger but still. The quick cast RMB cannot penetrate any targets so even with this setup you need to see the horde from an angle to use it effectively.

[fiery atlas]

i can't believe i got this achievement

[forest coral]

damn u actually got it properly

i got it when dog was spinning in circles

[fiery atlas]

lmao

didn't know that could happen

[forest coral]

yeah the condition of dog ready to leap is weird

but hey, gz tho!

[fiery atlas]

yeah i was trying to farm it for a lil bit

[forest coral]

the inquisition now says u are allowed pant

just one pair tho

[fiery atlas]

excellent

just one pair of pant

🩳

[forest coral]

just the one

[uneven drift]

Don't wash them.

It's not allowed yet.

[honest frigate]

That achievement is still reasonable when you compare it to the other ones LMAO

[uneven drift]

Kill 10000 Demonhosts in order to get approval.

[forest coral]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/blm-gif-25815938

[fiery atlas]

i also thought this was funny

thanos snapped my man out of existence

[fiery atlas]

kill 10 trillion daemonhosts to get entrance guards approval

[idle bay]

There was a guide bout getting pants for "Not even close"

1. Hear the howl. Listen careful for dog's steps
2. Charge the BB with RMB
3. Wait for dog to pounce at you (there is an audio cue)
4. Release the BB.
5. Change pants. You definitely need to after this.

[idle bay]

Or install a mod that makes all NPCs on Morningstar friendly to you 🙂

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZggnHy6pnnPuO/d13373qoj7U1?invite=cr-MSxRY3AsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

if u use voidstrike it just gives u bog invulnerability

no thoughts head empty

just anti dog force field

[idle bay]

Shovel Ogryn also provide anti-dog field.

[viral solstice]

shovel ogryn is blessed entity

[idle bay]

Bonks from shovel hits should be more.. Bonky!

PoopScooper 9000 that i'm using on my Ogryn

[shadow wigeon]

What's a good feat build for void?

[viral solstice]

depends on what kinda staff u got really

u can be pretty flexible but if u have warp flurry / transfer peril u definitely want to go warp unleashed to hit some spicy breakpoints

otherwise 6 warp charges is an obvious choice and 10% toughness on warp kill is very nice, tho its not like its throwing to take the others if u prefer them

its all fairly flexible really

[stray warren]

So is their a consensus on what dueling sword is considered 'best'? I'm really mainly looking for one that will deal with hordes pretty well.

[shadow wigeon]

Yeah staff is maxed just looking to have fun with it

[noble meteor]

single target weapon, doesnt deal with hordes well at all

[shadow wigeon]

Are you picking up warp charges with communion?

[viral solstice]

no i usually take the faster brainburst level 30 thingy

and just roll the stack manually

[stray warren]

I mean I use the MK2 currently and it deals with them fine. Good dodge and stamina regen for pushes. Is the weapon group considered bad for hordes?

[viral solstice]

if u find that annoying d/w about it and get the warp charges with communion it doesnt make a huge diff

[fiery atlas]

YEET

[noble meteor]

i mostly say that based on the fact that they are either 100% or 95% strikedown/assasin strikes weapons..

[shadow wigeon]

I run KB on surge already, used to it, although I found I had less downtime with void

[fiery atlas]

i'm eating graham crackers with coffee

i deserve that treat

[viral solstice]

yeah i mean the key point to emphasise is

so long as ur getting a good ratio of clicks off

and not losing damage uptime in fights

its kind of... all good?

like its not really a build where its crucial to have x or y other than warp unleashed if u can afford it

[noble meteor]

love the duelling swords tho, but god agaisnt hordes, i whip out my staff 100% of times

[fiery atlas]

oh what's the cleave on FS

i can't tell if most swings are single target or have cleave

[spice veldt]

lights have 2 and heavies have 6

[viral solstice]

force sword has decent cleave but thats not really the limiting factor

its just a ballache to manipulate the hitboxes

[spice veldt]

so lights suck doodoo

[viral solstice]

its also a finesse weapon

[fiery atlas]

just turn into a mordhau player

ez

[viral solstice]

inherently weakspot and crit damage lowers past first target

[spice veldt]

oh is that why weakspot cleave damage sucks doodoo

[fiery atlas]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1083402565590458368/Bonk.gif

[viral solstice]

yes

[spice veldt]

i cri

[viral solstice]

altho actually it doesnt that badly in the sense that likme

have u looked at the falloff on h2 vs eg a devil claw heavy

[spice veldt]

no

is it bad

[viral solstice]

oh buddy have i got a treat for u

[fiery atlas]

wish PA didn't increase peril

[spice veldt]

ooooooo

that one

[viral solstice]

mk 4 devil claw heavy cleave

[spice veldt]

27 lmao

[fiery atlas]

why are you like this

why do you have to ruin me with THE TRUTH

[viral solstice]

force sword heavy cleave

[spice veldt]

:)

[viral solstice]

[spice veldt]

i am at peace

[fiery atlas]

that's disgusting

[viral solstice]

but it gets worse

it gets worse

now of these 2 weapons

guess which one of them

[cyan notch]

thats why u dont use that shit for horde clear i rather just take a tac axe

[fiery atlas]

it's FS isn't it

[viral solstice]

has access to a bunch of power blessings

o u rite

[spice veldt]

hmmmmmmmm

HMMMMMMM

[viral solstice]

u know what the only damage blessing for a devil claw is for horde clear

its a shitty 40% version of rampage

[fiery atlas]

of course

[viral solstice]

whereas force swords can run.. unstable power slaughterer for 20% 75%

or whatever the fuck u want

[spice veldt]

guess which one gets impact blessings--the class weapon of a CC class (so far) or the cleave weapon

[viral solstice]

oh yeah and those lights?

[fiery atlas]

the gigabrained obese megalodon devs have truly balanced devil's claw

[viral solstice]

force sword light 1

devil claw light 1 with rampage up

[spice veldt]

huh the force sword lights have better cleave damage than I thought

[viral solstice]

yes their cleave damage is amazing

the issue is unironically

target count

[spice veldt]

i take back what I said about their lights

2 cleave is still doodoo

[viral solstice]

where devil claw gets to win here is that if u want to u can run a cleave blessing

and actually hit way more targets

[cyan notch]

fs moveset sucks doesnt matter

[viral solstice]

but yeah in terms of actual damage output the force sword properties are spicy

ye thats the limiting factor right

[spice veldt]

moveset is pretty fine to me

[viral solstice]

fs has surprisingly good raw stats but its a fucking weird ass mess to use relative to

"i swing da devil claw"

do u want the real bonus tho

[fiery atlas]

this displeases me

[cyan notch]

light 2 and 3 are shit

[fiery atlas]

this makes me want to main devil claw zealot even more

[spice veldt]

i like that block/pushing is a part of the attack combo, and they seem to be accounted for this by making the block/push lock you out for a low amount of time

[fiery atlas]

[viral solstice]

woops i accidentally posted a heavy sword IX light attack

huh those numbers look quite high

[spice veldt]

aha silly mistake

[viral solstice]

how odd

it surely cant be hitting that many poxwalkers though

oh huh very peculiar

[spice veldt]

i forgot about their cleave

[cyan notch]

sounds like fake headtaker

slaughterer level buff on hit

seems fine to me

[viral solstice]

headfaker

[idle bay]

Meanwhile very grey area stuff...
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/let-s-talk-about-mod-part-2-report-of-a-mod/76798
Mod that designates this ranged scabs as shooters while FS refuses to count them as ranged 🙂

And naturally it get reported

[spice veldt]

i don't think that works in missions anyways

[cyan notch]

why doesnt psyker get a busted horde clear vets get power sword and zealots get heavy sword and orgyns get big knife

psykers get duelling sword

.........

[spice veldt]

:D

[summer prairie]

surge lmb quell cancel with warp unleashed and stacks is like 1200dps vs ragers

[idle bay]

If you read the discription of Duelling Sword it shill provide any Psyker player with Sense of Pride and Accomplishment ™ beacuse it's written that it's very high skill sword to use.

[spice veldt]

i found a post by somebody who hasn't played this game for a few months
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/please-make-ogryn-shield-block-ranged-sniper-shots-while-rezing/76791

high skill 2 cleave weapon

[viral solstice]

the big thing duelling sword needs is voice lines

imagine every time u do the big stab

ur character goes LUNGE!

also a parry

[spice veldt]

i'm pretty sure that except for their push attacks, all the duelling swords have at most 2 cleave on all of their attacks

[cyan notch]

thats why theyre mid for horde

[spice veldt]

i hate them for it

AND they have no power blessings

it's actually a cruel joke

[fiery atlas]

considering psyker has access to stuff like purg I don't think fs will be too happy with us

[cyan notch]

i rather use an axe or or chainsword

[wet belfry]

Rampage is also hard to trigger on dueling sword.

[spice veldt]

zealots got their flamer >:(

[viral solstice]

yes but i dont care about horde clear im over it

i just want it to be cool

lunge parry swipe

en garde ogryn scum

[cyan notch]

u can parry

[viral solstice]

(the bad ones with shields)

[spice veldt]

makes you lunge into a crusher overhead

[cyan notch]

just do it manually with special after blocking

[viral solstice]

[fiery atlas]

Do not hurt da emprahz boiz

[viral solstice]

nono i mean like

u no

the chaos ones

good ones are good

[forest coral]

by the emprah

[cyan notch]

emperor is dead 💀

[raw drift]

I finally unlocked the purgatus staff I can finally burn the heretics

[forest coral]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rekt-boi-elmo-shot-execution-gif-15314352

[fiery atlas]

I had to solo a horde on malice as a lil baby psyker while my team deleted a beast of nurgle

We made it out alive

Idk push attack carries FS in horde clear imo

Weapon's got ok cleave but PA keeps it going

[cyan notch]

push attack hits like 1 target

and has abysmal range

[spice veldt]

is this bait

[fiery atlas]

Oh

No I genuinely didn't know lol I've just been spamming

[spice veldt]

o

yeah it's rather deceptive

[cyan notch]

the push is good though the shove just hits 1 dude

[spice veldt]

push-attack does have pretty good stagger (can knock down crushers) with the caveat that it only hits one target

I personally don't use it much since I prefer melee elites to be in the front so that I can snipe them with my special

the push-attack also has the other caveat of doing 0 damage

[fiery atlas]

Interesting

[spice veldt]

and another thing to keep in mind is that power% (from Slaughterer) also increases the stagger strength of your pushes, so I can sometimes end up throwing groaners/poxwalkers to the ground, leaving the melee elite isolated for me to snipe his god damn ass

[fiery atlas]

I've mainly been using it for horde control and it's eh

Mainly a get away tool

The use it has it spamming which does kind of work?

Main problem is not enough spam makes room for staff use imo

[viral solstice]

what if jort

OH BABY PRECOG 4

[spice veldt]

:ooooooo oooooo

[viral solstice]

see now das fourcog

not just threecog

uhh

wait

peril block makes parrying cost

2% peril

[fiery atlas]

I think one or two more games before I call it quits

Or maybe I quit now and go rest

Grinded to lvl 13 tonight

[viral solstice]

hell yeah

are u have fun

[fiery atlas]

Ngl i am

Game's got problems but feels rewarding to do something

[viral solstice]

yeah i love darktide

the core mechanics are just fun to interact with

and i think so long as ur happy just messin around and not getting too interested in like

chasing ideal loot

or worrying about dps

[fiery atlas]

I'm kind of glad pushing doesn't have much a downside

[viral solstice]

then its great

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZxhG91cN0Dbp7/d1337XXs5xad?invite=cr-MSxuMXosMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

also oh no

[fiery atlas]

Oh nooio

[golden tartan]

Oh look

Free toughness

[fiery atlas]

Anyways time to abuse devil claw parry

[viral solstice]

well lets just say

if u try doing what im doing there

something will feel off

[fiery atlas]

Are u cheating

U little bugger

[viral solstice]

no its just the reason i chose those swings to test is because u block the first hit and switch to parry the second

so u can see the double tick ups on the peril meter

i was hoping the parry would still cost stam

actually

so i could split my resources

[fiery atlas]

Lmao

So the parry is free essentially

Provided you time it right

[viral solstice]

in the end

none of us are free

[golden tartan]

We are all bound in service of the God Emperor

[fiery atlas]

be born
you have psychic powers and are found by the imperium cultists
you are sent to the scholastica psykana
you endure mentally anguishing training
you endure the soul binding process to the god-emperor, nearly going blind from the ritual
get a sword and staff that lets you manipulate forces from another dimension
you have to be careful not to be hunted down by psychic predators or become corrupted by the warp, the source of your power
inb4 you can just get a normal sword with a fancy parry

[viral solstice]

tbh

unstable power, deflector etc

should all be on every psyker melee weapon

das factual

[fiery atlas]

TRUUUU

pls let us recycle blessings

i'm sorry I need to ask because this doesn't feel right

is there any penalty to spam dodging

i know dodging doesn't deplete stamina

[viral solstice]

ye

[spice veldt]

dodging stops your stamina from regenerating and has a softcap

[viral solstice]

if u dodge more than once every 0.85s

ur dodge count goes down

when u hit the dodge count for ur weapon

ur dodges begin to shrink

until they become tiny baby dodges

[fiery atlas]

OOOOH THEY HAVE DODGE COUNT IN THIS GAME

[viral solstice]

yes

[fiery atlas]

i thought they got rid of that

[viral solstice]

but force swords dodge count

is 69

BUT

key thing

dodges have iframes in this game (context depending)

[fiery atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-gif-sobbing-uoooh-gif-24612778

[viral solstice]

theres a lot of misinformation out there about this

people talking about tracking and shit

but no most attacks if u dodge them and time it right

u will pass thru it like a ghost

the major booby traps are being too close

and a small number of attacks that are straight up undodgable

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Z80DBdd5cZnyW/d1337IautMaH?invite=cr-MSxUTTIsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

key thing is just that it mostly follows the rule that big slow overhead = unblockable so dodge it

anything sideways or grounded is blockable

and jorts are the best kind of denim

wait idk how that got there

[fiery atlas]

ye overheads traditionally are unblockable (unless you are WHC in vt2 )

[viral solstice]

theres only like 4 of them anyway

mauler has 2 versions

fast and slow

crusher has his running one

and boss has one

but thats it

so its nto a big deal

[spice veldt]

minor details:

• dodge-sliding will count twice towards your dodge limit
• sprint-sliding will not count towards your dodge limit, but it will prevent your dodges from refreshing

[fiery atlas]

you can dodge slide?

[spice veldt]

ye

crouch immediately after dodging

is very cool

the NumericUI mod has an option to visualize your dodge count

[fiery atlas]

we are reaching levels of heresy not seen in years

[fiery atlas]

i gotta install that

pls obese megalodon streamline installing mods into the game !!!

[spice veldt]

i thought dodge-sliding was an unintended mechanic but it seems to be intended given how they specifically made it so that it counted twice towards your dodge limit

[viral solstice]

i mean dodge sliding is obviously intended given how slide works

it would be insane if it wasnt

[fiery atlas]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1083402565590458368/Bonk.gif

[viral solstice]

tho to be fair

who knows

[spice veldt]

dodge-sliding seemed too busted to be intended at the time

[viral solstice]

tbf

im going to straight up say something rude

check this out

[spice veldt]

:o

[viral solstice]

remember how 2-3 months ago

everybody was like

waaah darktide ranged combat is bad waaah shooters kill me

now

lets add the 100% ranged invulnerability of slide

the 100% consistent ranged tells from flahes

and the fact most people didnt know the slide made u invulnerable to ranged

now im not saying

that there was a lil bit of an issue of the skill variety

[fiery atlas]

well the game was kinda new

[viral solstice]

and yet

[fiery atlas]

ppl obvs are going to be a lil pepega when the game first comes out in the few months it exists

[viral solstice]

they tell u sliding stops ranged damge in the tutorial

[spice veldt]

huh, does it

[viral solstice]

and if u actually used it

yes

it did

and u know whats even funnier

i was telling people how it worked

about 2 days after the beta started

what makes it even worse

is that if ur a vet

[fiery atlas]

oh lmao i stopped caring about the tutorial after i chose zealot and said "haha funny bonk insane person"

[viral solstice]

u literally have a build

that SHOW U UR IFRAMES

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/PXG13iNiE572z/d1337th6CULl?invite=cr-MSx5SDksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[spice veldt]

oh the duck n dive feat?

[viral solstice]

every single time my stamina bar goes up im immuning a shot

yeeee

and this is why i got so salty about the iframes thing 2 days ago

because i have been having that argument

on and off

for like 3 months

with people who combine a very high level of confidence with having absolutely no fucking idea what they are talking about

[fiery atlas]

i knew you could iframe shots with dodges

[viral solstice]

and not having done even 1 microsecond of testing

[spice veldt]

i always thought it was 'breaking tracking' because ranged enemies will continue aiming at where you once was when dodging

[fiery atlas]

this is called the dunning-krueger effect

[spice veldt]

and I've gotten hit when dodging backwards from snipers, though I now realize that was because of ping

[fiery atlas]

or is it kreuger

[spice veldt]

kruger?

[viral solstice]

probs got an umlaut

[fiery atlas]

no it's krueger

[spice veldt]

ur a krueger

[viral solstice]

u with an umlaut is ue

[fiery atlas]

oh no it's kruger

you were right

[spice veldt]

smh 😔

[viral solstice]

it is my curse

[fiery atlas]

my german courses did me so wrong

yes anyways dunning-kruger

very common (unfortunately)

[fiery atlas]

this is what i assumed as well

but no i just know you're i-framing shots now

and i'm glad they added i-frames because guns are a central part of the game for both enemies and players

because it would be insanely difficult to deal not only w/ snipers but lil trash gunner characters

[spice veldt]

the superpower of phasing through bullets

[viral solstice]

yes

this acutally goes back to like

doom 1/2

in doom 2 when they added the chaingunner enemies ppl hated them because high damage hitscan

and hitscan enemies have always been a problem for fps games because its like

if computer says u get hitscanned u get hitscanned

not like u can ddoge a projectile

most movement shooters just make everything a projectile and say have fun

darktide models combat more like a character action game where u give players a pool of iframes and defensive moves and make enemies have very specific tells and fixed sequences

[fiery atlas]

yeah vt2 did that w/ most weapons

even with brace of pistols

tf2 sniper is a menace because he's a long range hitscan class

and if you got clicked you got clicked

[viral solstice]

i dint play much vt2 but its just nicely done full stop in darktide

now

theres other issues

a lot of issues

but broadly the core structure of that combat is cool and really nicely done

[fiery atlas]

what they did was made a lot of the ranged weapons projectiles, including brace of pistols

but the projectiles just move so fast they didn't feel like projectiles

[viral solstice]

were there enemies with guns?

[fiery atlas]

no

there were mages and enemy archers

[safe crystal]

Ratling gunners

[viral solstice]

[fiery atlas]

oh ratling gunners

yeah they were only a menace up close

they did lil shitty chip damage that annoyed you from far enough away

[viral solstice]

actually in this thats another element

that has been interestingly done

[fiery atlas]

i think they wind up as soon as they have LOS

[viral solstice]

ye the way enemies work in this is actually quite like that

the one thing i really dont like

is that difficulty scales reaction time and changes the timing of some shot sequences

which to me is bad

because it means u get ppl getting trained wrong

but its not a huge deal

[fiery atlas]

most annoying part of learning imo is dealing with horde mixing

[viral solstice]

but broadly this game will let u stand in front of 2 snipers and take zero damage if u know the timings

which is cool!

[fiery atlas]

specials sneaking in during trash hordes

[viral solstice]

das fun!

das how they get u

like raisins

in the oatmeal cookie

[rich rose]

When you "get rid" of Lacerate, only to get Lacerate. FINE

[viral solstice]

hell yea

[fiery atlas]

let me guess

most enemies have the Weak Spot on their heads

just headshot all the time

or rather, slice bodies only

oh that means you'll probably be using BB on beast of nurgle only

[cyan notch]

yea u can dodge all specials in vt2

thats why dogs are garbage cuz theyre inconsistently dodgeable

and theyre a major disabler

[viral solstice]

dogs are just a cosmic mystery

sometimes they are just bog

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/MQG58VleGPNDO/d1337Ckh5QNP?invite=cr-MSxVeUksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[fiery atlas]

also big funny i discovered today

you can make trappers and bombers drop their traps and weapons if you ult them while they're aiming

[viral solstice]

tfw u mess a bomber up

in melee

then he drops his bomb like

fuck youuuuuuu

[sharp ibex]

Bombers can drop their bombs as soon as they spawn in too

They're dumb

no priming

just, on the floor, ticking

They played MW2 and picked martyrdom perk

[vagrant furnace]

If you F them when they throw the grenade drop at their feets

They dont do this on purpose as far as i know

[spice veldt]

same if you LMB with the staff

[viral solstice]

no they do everything to fuck with u

bombers are just haters

[spice veldt]

btw, i finally found the post that made me think of "breaking tracking"
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-intended-inability-to-dodge-melee-attacks-with-ranged-weapons/54643/92

[viral solstice]

oh yeah and u see whats funny about that

is that only matters

if u fuck up ur dodge timing

[sterile sable]

whats the build these days? antax V bad? surge still king?

[spice veldt]

as in dodge too early/late?

[viral solstice]

ye

so its like

im dodging a crusher

hes doin his overhead

he has a lil built in shuffle

u cant just circle strafe it

and u cant just walk backwards either

he will move just enough to hit u

[fiery atlas]

yeah that's similar in vt2

[viral solstice]

if u dodge during that he will just plonk the hitbox down in the wrong place

[fiery atlas]

where trash hordes will track you so hard if you strafe, or dodge too early or too late

[viral solstice]

straight up

[fiery atlas]

this game is much more forgiving

[viral solstice]

he stops doing it

if u dodge too early or dodge backwards

he will chase u

and slap ur shit

[sharp ibex]

Mauler does that

[viral solstice]

now this is quite a limited effect

[sharp ibex]

but you can backstep his overhead with the right timing, which in game is harder thna in psykhanium

[spice veldt]

lotsa builds are pretty viable
Antax V is still good
All staffs are pretty good (even Trauma)

[viral solstice]

i mean

[sterile sable]

trauma good 😮

[viral solstice]

its not very hard at all if ur far away

[sharp ibex]

But why be far away

be all you can be

[viral solstice]

because ur always far away

[sharp ibex]

which is inside the enemy

[viral solstice]

if hes doing that move

if ur next to him he literally cant do it

he slaps u

kicks u

or does the horizontal swing

[sharp ibex]

no you should be inside his swing so he only bonks you with the handle

[viral solstice]

and its actually easier to dodge things in game than meatgrinder

for quite a few things

[sharp ibex]

i should know as i have studied the blade and by blade i mean shadiversity videos

[viral solstice]

while u were partying

i studied the blockchain

[fiery atlas]

i feel quite silly

i have a t5 FS and it's not really doing much on malice

provided the...perks are shit

[viral solstice]

its a bit wiggly

dont worry about it too much it is a multi-stat scaling weapon

so it powers up with levels

just slap the zombies and run in circles flaming ur vet

[fiery atlas]

i did get a 12% max HP curio

i am happy about that

[spice veldt]

12%? gawd damn

[fiery atlas]

surprised I managed to get that tbh considering my rolls haven't been that good

[spice veldt]

oh you mean 21%

[viral solstice]

u need toughness

its blue like these jorts

[fiery atlas]

no it was 12%

2% toughtness curio

[spice veldt]

oh not lvl 30 yet

[fiery atlas]

ye i'm lvl 12 rn

[spice veldt]

smh

i was born lvl 30

[viral solstice]

level 21

[spice veldt]

:(

[fiery atlas]

i'm surprised i've been doing OK on higher diffs

afraid i'll get flamed for trying heresy and damnation as a lil lvl 12 psyker

[viral solstice]

do it

like some ppl will flame but anybody who gets mad about having a low level player on heresy

[fiery atlas]

two ppl left my lobby when i queued up at malice on lvl 8

[viral solstice]

is just telling on themselves

yeah thats ppl telling on themselves

basically for some reason

ppl in malice are really mad

idk why

[fiery atlas]

ngl the game's not too hard at some points

[steel egret]

Malice means nothing

[fiery atlas]

even in stressful situations

[viral solstice]

i can legit kill myself 3x in the first 5mins of hi5

and nobody will say anything

or they will laugh

but i have friends who go into malice and get hard flamed

for not running "meta weapons"

its bizarre

[spice veldt]

the difficulty in this game varies massively between different missions

[viral solstice]

i make sure every mission is difficult

[spice veldt]

like I've had some chill Hi5 missions

[fiery atlas]

yeah sometimes it depends

[spice veldt]

and then there are some fuckin Hi5 missions that blast our team with constant specials and 100000 ranged spawns

[fiery atlas]

it depends on who makes the decision to run around like an idiot and walk into not only three maulers but three maulers and a tox flamer and bulwark around the corner trying to rescue downed teammate

(it was me i am the player)

[spice veldt]

i love maulers

[viral solstice]

[spice veldt]

free money for the force sword

[viral solstice]

i love suicidin

[spice veldt]

i love murder

[fiery atlas]

now see i did use my funny special

but the mauler didn't die immediately

[spice veldt]

i imagine that it didn't one-shot them

f

[viral solstice]

wait a second

that vraks is dirty

[fiery atlas]

[viral solstice]

i didnt realise i had that on my fuckin psyker

[fiery atlas]

the god-emperor forsook me on that mission

[spice veldt]

whaddya mean psyker best gun class

[viral solstice]

well i mean i made it

but forgot

i am gonna use it

i aint no coward

[fiery atlas]

my vet had some poorly upgraded gun too

took 13 bullets to kill a hound on me

[viral solstice]

thats just some guns

[wet jacinth]

[viral solstice]

basically the armour types maniac and infested

[fiery atlas]

but i did have a game w/ all four psykers

[viral solstice]

the damage vs those types is picked at random

especially maniacs

lasgun vs maniacs: 170% effect

[fiery atlas]

[viral solstice]

laspistol: 65%

[fiery atlas]

that's heretical

[spice veldt]

to be specific, kantrael lasguns

we don't talk about recon lasguns

[viral solstice]

damn this devil claw is op

that and a vraks loadout

im ready to contribute

its not just kantrael

lucius also

[spice veldt]

ur gonna crit so hard

[viral solstice]

huge maniacs

[spice veldt]

:o

i wish I liked the sights on helbores more

too bad I'm not a fan of shitty ironsights

[viral solstice]

i would take irons over the XII holo

or the laspistol holo

[spice veldt]

ur a crab so your opinion is invalidated

[wet jacinth]

I'd just prefer the reticle to be a Dot or smth personally

[viral solstice]

fair

[spice veldt]

tbf, i don't like the laspistol holo either

a bit too small

[wet jacinth]

It needs a Sniper scope

12x magnification

[spice veldt]

snag one from a dead sniper

[wet jacinth]

Thermal optic capability

[spice veldt]

mfs have scopes on their lasguns but we don't

[wet jacinth]

Laser sighting

[steel egret]

Great idea sniper scope for veterans.

I cant wait for them all to act like they are pro snipers and lag behind firing at poxwalkers.

[wet jacinth]

Nah

Ogryn will get a sniper scope before they do

[steel egret]

On a maul

[wet jacinth]

That's the thing.

[steel egret]

"o ou everitin closer"

[wet jacinth]

It's one of those mega huge scopes and ogryn just uses it like a maul

[idle bay]

They are already do it

[steel egret]

Just give ogryn all guns players want

As a maul

[fiery atlas]

"dah emprah sent me a beeeeeg gun..."

"i'llz use it as a knoife"

[steel egret]

Melter gun used as a club

Darktide big brain department spending 300 hours modeling the thing for ogryn so it clips thru his face and can be colored red or blue.

[twilit flicker]

That actually doesn't sound that unreasonable. Imagine the programmers, artists, sound designers, and testers all working at once. Is that like, a week's worth of work? maybe two? I wouldn't know.

They should add map objects like chairs that the Ogryn can throw , like an extra grenade but one that you can't take with you.

[steel egret]

How about chairs you can collect like grenades.

[twilit flicker]

Fine but only the ogyrn and he had to carry a backpack of sorts, then at the end of a round he tosses them out like confetti.

[steel egret]

"Fear me!" And bunch of chairs flying

[twilit flicker]

The Zealot: So an Ogryn can be useful??

[cyan notch]

tracking and shit came from vt2 where it broke tracking when u did it in the dodge window and dodge had no iframes there so probably people assumed it was the same

[wet jacinth]

Ogryn: so the Shouty can actually shut up?

[lethal folio]

This tracking thing is still there, but it applies to things in a limited cone range.

There are New Dodging Mechanics.

[viral solstice]

New Dodging Mechanics ™️

[cold geode]

How about chair shaped grenades that explode when you throw them?

[idle bay]

Cleaning Supplies Flinging Psyker.
That throws bleach, brutal imperial hand sanitiser and pipe unclogging fluid into Nurgle cultists to wound , kill and mortally terrify Nurgle cultists

Like here

[feral topaz]

Now see, the pillar men reference is amazing

[grizzled jasper]

It gets worse the longer you look at it

Better for some

[west galleon]

Anyone know a good cheese spot to solo a monstrosity?

[river sand]

you go to lfg channel ask for help, best is shield ogryn wo aggros and tanks a demon host

maybe 1-2 other to help with the occasional specials/hordes that show up

[forest coral]

errr can somepne explain how i didnt blow up here

[viral solstice]

yes

something u killed

procced the 10% quell

[bitter pelican]

You got a kill and lost 10% peril

[viral solstice]

so something with soulblaze on

[forest coral]

ohhh

[viral solstice]

u will never become a professional suicide expert if u dont pick up the pace cmon

[bitter pelican]

It's a psyker class thing called battle meditation (I think)

[forest coral]

fair

[viral solstice]

u can actually save urself with kills from ur explosion too

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/WYcFxrITWpK5y/d1337v5xnJVT?invite=cr-MSxsSEEsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

observe this master of probability

[forest coral]

i am so confused what happened there

[west galleon]

You deserve the plague, if i got a melkbuck for every time i got that suggestion i would have quite a few of those

I asked a specific question 🤓

[viral solstice]

explosion killed dog

10% quell

im aliveeeee

[west stream]

Soloing monstrosities is unreliable

So still recommend ogryn

Most if not all cases are either unsoloable (daemonhost)

Or will bring hordes

[feral verge]

I think I did it with a plague ogryn

[west stream]

Having said that plague ogryns are ezier, i forget name but one of missions that starts near the big bridge tends to throw one

[feral verge]

But dh would've been easier

Nurgle is definitely the hardest

[west stream]

Dh with party easy

Solo will just kill you

[uneven drift]

Not if you have Thammer

[west stream]

For the achievement it wont count

So..hmm

[river sand]

then every stair where you could jump down and a ogryn

[west galleon]

So kiting with a pinch of abusing the pathing

?

[river sand]

yeah pretty much

[forest coral]

The way I ended up doing it was just having an area circle I could loop around and brain bursted whilst I had my friends hold horde at bay

[river sand]

gives you more time for bbing

[viral solstice]

tronder hamer

[west galleon]

I recently saw a vid uploaded here where some dood was standing on some crates bb'ing a dh w/o any resistance

Thats why im kinda curious now

[viral solstice]

i looked into that the daemonhost was a paid operative

its a psyop

do NOT trust

[river sand]

i just noticed the armory exchange weapons are completly useless now. upped 3x 380 blue stuff i bought, thinking, the second perk and blessing might be ok enough. but hey they all rolled t1&2 blessings and perks ...

[feral verge]

I ain't crafting till they add more weapons for psyker (like force greatsword) or they make it easier to get tier 4 blessings

[wide tiger]

yeah ive just been stockpiling

[feral verge]

It's not that much but I have 17k plasteel saved

[pale fulcrum]

do the staff blessings not crossover to each staff on purpose or is that a bug?

[feral verge]

Think it's on purpose

[wide tiger]

its on purpose even though purgatus and surge have identical blessing pools

and trauma and voidstrike have all the blessings that surge and purg do

[pale fulcrum]

yeah I just sacrificed a trauma with quell peril on weakspot hit hoping to put it on my voidstrike and cant, salty

[wide tiger]

psyker crafting is rough

[feral verge]

In a way, ogryns are lucky with their lack of weapon variety

They're way more likely to get good shit in melk's, empra

Meanwhile our inventory is 80% lame guns

[wide tiger]

yeah

i mean state of our melee is far worse but also staves are ruff

[grizzled jasper]

[feral verge]

Force Great sword could answer all our prayers...

Horde clear ... Big single target damage special...

All in one weapon...

[grizzled jasper]

Knowing fs it’ll just be a copy and paste powersword

“Aright Jim just delete power and replace it with force”

[pale fulcrum]

Force sword is best melee weapon in game imo, evicserator close 2nd

[grizzled jasper]

“Slap 5.99 to it as dlc”

“Ez moniz”

[pale fulcrum]

Ive been running a mk3 or mk7 headhunter on my psyker for a while to save my peril for bb and works really well up 4's

[pale fulcrum]

have you even used both? they both do very different things

[feral verge]

I only play t5

Where 90% of gunkers go to die

[grizzled jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[pale fulcrum]

how would a gun do worse than 3 close range staffs or a voidstrike against gunners