psyker-class

[viral solstice]

ive parried them without taking damage

and its just like

[leaden thunder]

[viral solstice]

and i cant figure out what the fuck it is

if its a dodge thing? or a spacing thing? or just like

in dmc3

[ember hornet]

how does one survive as a void/fs when playing with 2-3 hold W zealots

[viral solstice]

u would do this thing where when u royal guard to hit perfect frames

u would roll

so ur roll iframes would cover the risky royal guard input

so if u fucked the royal guard

u still had iframes

in principle u can kind of do that in this

with undodgeables

[unborn drift]

Quick question about item levels, is the shop offering based on my level or on the highest ranking I have so far?

[leaden thunder]

your level

[unborn drift]

Thanks!

[viral solstice]

tbh

im gonna go have a shower and get some caffeine

and try and figure out what exactly is goin on

[ember hornet]

are you still awake

[viral solstice]

i got like 4 hours of sleep

then wooke up and couldnt get back to sleep

and then found myself in an argument with somebody in vet chat

who was convinced u couldnt kill anything with a vraks 7

[ember hornet]

lol

[leaden thunder]

KNND right?

[viral solstice]

yea...

yeah...

[leaden thunder]

he was rather combative last times I saw him talk about stuff

[ember hornet]

a lot of bad players seem to be combative when they have takes in discord

[leaden thunder]

very

[viral solstice]

ye but its also just

when im tired i revert to my natural tendency

to be a Fedora Debatelord

and so i will get suckered into arguing about literally anything

its a curse

[leaden thunder]

main time I wil lget up in arms is when people start telling new(or new to the class or w/e) that something is good

when it very much isn't good

[ember hornet]

it's easy to fall into when you have the knowledge and the other person is blatantly wrong

[leaden thunder]

that's how you get "ogryn is weak in high difficulties"

[viral solstice]

ye tho its also just like

u know the "i cant go to bed somebody is Wrong... Online" thing

complete brane damage

[ember hornet]

I've definitely never argued with someone about hammer at 3 AM

definitely haven't done that multiple times

that and arguing about running toughness curios on zealot I think are my two most common lol

[viral solstice]

ye there are some phrases

that like instantly trigger a feral response

[leaden thunder]

I just say it's preference when asked about curios at this point

[viral solstice]

one is when people say that something isnt viable

and at the point i instantly become an underground water source

because im a well actually

[ember hornet]

people keep saying toughness is bad because of chip

and I lose it every time

[leaden thunder]

oh yeah that is just not true

higher toughness means you take less chip damage more or less

iirc

[ember hornet]

speaking of which

what's the favored feat in first column for psyker

[viral solstice]

tbh ive seen people argue for all 3 for various builds

[ember hornet]

they all seem.... OK?

[viral solstice]

yea

thats how i would put it

i think theres a couple builds where one is mostly better

[leaden thunder]

quitude or the regen on warp charges are what I have seen the most of, I ran the other one early on

[ember hornet]

not incredible but like.... eh ok

[viral solstice]

like voidstrike really does well with toughness on warp kill

because at any time u can yeet a blob at some goobers and get 30-50% instantly

[leaden thunder]

[ember hornet]

yeah I have been running that on void

[viral solstice]

i shifted from quiet to that

but then again quiet is also good

because transfer peril gives u insta-toughness on weakspot hit

[ember hornet]

does transfer peril trigger

[viral solstice]

yes

all quells

[ember hornet]

nice

[viral solstice]

passive quelling too

overall i find it safer with the 10% on warp kill but then again im also somebody who is happy to point blank fight a horde with the staff

if u dont like doing that

[ember hornet]

hard to get a burst of toughness back though

[viral solstice]

or have idk a bm antax u use

then its gonna be pointless

well u can press ur ult

insta 25%

cos its a big quell

[ember hornet]

woooo

25 lol

[viral solstice]

i mean its somethin

plus u can just press staff quell or whatever

but ye i didnt like it for oh shit situations

[ember hornet]

yeah I ran quietitude for a bit

[viral solstice]

whereas being in trouble and landing a random blob that fully regens toughness was sweg

[ember hornet]

felt lost in oh shit situations

[viral solstice]

but still i think all of them are merely ok

[ember hornet]

playing void has made me realize how fucky some of the head hitboxes are

[viral solstice]

well

void staff projectile

is the thing with the fucked hitbox

to be precise

[ember hornet]

some enemies, headshot every time

[viral solstice]

and the funny part about this is

have u noticed that some geometry

[ember hornet]

other enemies, aim like 1m above head

[viral solstice]

will make it explode

if it goes within 2ft

[ember hornet]

YES

fucking doorways

[viral solstice]

geometry that moves

yeah

something like that

some railings too

[ember hornet]

bulwarks also

[viral solstice]

extreme tiltage

[ember hornet]

if bulwark is anywhere near the shot

rip

[viral solstice]

ya bulwarks shield is just a square head that doesnt die

[ember hornet]

the doorway thing is quite annoying

[viral solstice]

but until psykers get this

i will say their toughness gen is bad

[ember hornet]

yeah

[viral solstice]

thank u for reading my Post

[ember hornet]

I've been playing psyker with 2-3 zealots

[viral solstice]

confirmed kill could be 20% flat and regen

[ember hornet]

and it's actual pain

[viral solstice]

and it would still be

better than all 3 options

fk me its dummy thicc

[wide tiger]

I've always said our toughness regeneration options when compared to other classes is bad

when i first came to this discord I got yelled at for saying it too

[viral solstice]

ye tho partly thats to do with people not realising how good it is for ogryn

like ogryn toughness recovery is INSANE

[wide tiger]

Ogryn is insane

yeah no shit lol

[viral solstice]

but a lot of it is on blessings

so u dont see it

[ember hornet]

coming from zealot, it seems bad

[near wyvern]

I turned my voidstrike into a purgatus with infinite range. Too bad it has only 6 max stacks for the blaze.

https://youtu.be/kaF6_PMLkgY

[wide tiger]

Also the shovel on ogryn is insane

[viral solstice]

have u seen confident strike

[wide tiger]

but no one uses it

[viral solstice]

i use shovel

its my fave weapon

toilet punch

[wide tiger]

shovel is fucking amazing

[leaden thunder]

shovel has a cleave cap, but the more I discover

[wide tiger]

yeah

[leaden thunder]

the more I don't think it matters

as a lot of weapons have that

[wide tiger]

it also absolutely decimates carapace

and bosses

[ember hornet]

I tried to make this work with t3 warp nexus and just..... I couldn't get it to do as much for me as maximum power + spam

[wide tiger]

and basically everything

[viral solstice]

i do this when im bored of flurry transfer

[leaden thunder]

does it even actually have a cleave cap

[viral solstice]

i have a bunch of them

[wide tiger]

idk its hard to tell

[leaden thunder]

tyr said something bout using britlleness

[viral solstice]

i think every shovel attack other than light 3

[leaden thunder]

to make it cleave

[viral solstice]

has a hard damage cap of 3

and light 3 doesnt

something like that

[near wyvern]

I use the quick cast macro to get crazy attack speeds with it. Lits quite reliably with that.

[leaden thunder]

scrusher 4 thunderous 4 might actually be worth using on it

[viral solstice]

u can do that manually

[near wyvern]

Bue warp flurry + transfer peril is still better

[viral solstice]

tho maybe my tolerance for repetitive keyboard shit is higher than most

[near wyvern]

At that rate GL, check the link

[viral solstice]

i mean yea

lil bit slower but not much

[ember hornet]

maybe with the cancel it would work well

[viral solstice]

but my binds are fuked up

[ember hornet]

what's the cleave on a min charge void?

[viral solstice]

depends

[near wyvern]

That's what I use in the above clip

[leaden thunder]

get all or nothing

[wide tiger]

I need to make a macro for lmb on staves that's much faster than my manual casting

[leaden thunder]

extra 5% pen

[near wyvern]

1 enemy

[leaden thunder]

[near wyvern]

No cleave

Instant explosion

So the first target will get 6 stacks and everything else around it will get 3 stacks

[digital loom]

can validate this, 100% true

[viral solstice]

i actually need to check the exact way the charging works

because theres some shit going on there i havent bothered to chase

[wide tiger]

What's the timing on your macro @near wyvern

[ember hornet]

interesting, ok it's basically a different weapon with that setup

[near wyvern]

RMB down, 20ms, LMB down, 20ms, R down, 2ms, LMB up, 2ms, RMB up, 2 ms, R up, 2ms and then it loops as long as I hold

But if you modify the first delay to be 200ms or something (might depend from your charge rate) you charge only a little, penetrate 1 target and most importantly stagger every elite/special except mutants. The full auto (20ms) works well against dogs tho.

You really want to use warp battery + inner tranq as it will both increase your soulblaze damage and allow you to shoot for longer. Without it you run out of juice quite fast.

If there is a corridor where the enemy runs directly at you you still want to do like 75% to full charge to just cleave through more efficiently.

But against a ranged squad just full auto to supress those fuckers and kill them with blaze + explosion damage through covers.

So I have basically 4 spells on my void. LMB, RMB, full auto and small charge.

But with that I rarely use LMB

[wide tiger]

Yeah i use that, and my charge rate is 80

[near wyvern]

I don't recall what I had for charge rate on that one but not 80, more like 70 or 76

[wide tiger]

thanks ill add those macros and test em out

[viral solstice]

[near wyvern]

The shit we have to do to make our stuff to work

[viral solstice]

add tier 4 blazing spirit fatshark

[near wyvern]

This exist for FS I think

[viral solstice]

its just diff between melee and ranged

[wide tiger]

I wonder if surge creates a delay

[viral solstice]

the ranged version 6 stack capped

melee 12

because they are haters

[wide tiger]

i dont use blazing spirit/nexus, i use surge/nexus

[viral solstice]

but yee the fact theres like

a rank 4 there

why not for staffies

mebbe it could be 8 cap

or 9

but tbh i would prefer if they made blazing spirit more like

[near wyvern]

Yea this is what hurts it the most. Even with that macro I get 300DPS versus a mauler even tho I get like 4 to 8 crits because the moment I get the first crit I hit the cap of 6 already.

[viral solstice]

number of stacks is deterministically applied by the charge

ye

and its frustrating because if they made it like

1-3 stacks depending on charge duration

that would be way cooler

or slightly more whatever

[near wyvern]

On crit effects are currently very garbage because it's hard to get enough crit to make them reliable

[wide tiger]

yuup

[near wyvern]

It should be definitely 1 to 3 stacks based on charge and double on crit up to 9 or something, maybe 12 but that might be too op

[wide tiger]

i lied its 79 charge rate

[near wyvern]

Close enough

[wide tiger]

time for my void gattling gun

[near wyvern]

I have only like 56% blast radius, wish I had 80 but there is like 1 meter difference if even that

[near wyvern]

Let me know if the surge proc animation fucks it up

[viral solstice]

Ye I think I cap out at like 80-90% of that speed manually and there’s a bit of a ramp while I get into the rotation so it’s not instant but I will ignore that and say I do it faster

Macro users owned

[wide tiger]

Honestly ive been doing it lmb rmb

apparently its been all wrooong

[viral solstice]

Yeah obviously because rmb is dodge

Cmon man

[wide tiger]

I made my dodgekey numpad - so i really have to work for it

[viral solstice]

I’m really s’ing my h rn

[feral verge]

i made dodge my power button

[river sand]

just tried the t4 nexus / blazing thing. its terrible

[viral solstice]

In general charge should be more linked to staff blessings

There isn’t even a thrust analogue

Wow rude

[river sand]

nexus/surge 50% charges with quell cancel and flurry/transfer are way better

[wide tiger]

seems to be fine with surge

doesnt fuck up the timing

[river sand]

best voids i got so far

[near wyvern]

I utilize the priority order with the macro. R > LMB > RMB when it comes to 'what should I do' when multiple keys are pressed.

So no need to release RMB and LMB before pressing R in the macro

[viral solstice]

awful staves, no surge staff owned by not me is anything other than vendor trash, sorry but until u fix that im rating ur staves 6/9 fix it

[river sand]

😉

[viral solstice]

i jus wan surge

i just want to shoot

2 blobs

i will use it for one mission

but thats all i want

where my blobs at

[near wyvern]

Well.. It's not better than flurry peril but it's a funny meme that is a bit more viable than a gun psyker.

With the macro of course

Without the macro it's useless pile of garbage

[river sand]

macro question, i tried a bit with it and noticed that after releasing the shot if its not 250ms pause till it hits R theres a high chance it wont work for shots with more than no charge

[near wyvern]

@wide tiger how did the macro go with surge blessing?

I want sustained fire on surge with warp nexus so I can macro and make it a burst weapon

Pew pew pew

[coarse dagger]

hey siblings i just wanted to ask if anyone else noticed the purg staff not hitting enemies even when directly infront of them and aiming at them. you fire off and nothing happens.

[wide tiger]

works fine

[clear hamlet]

Plasma pistol psyker when? I want to manage two resources at the same time

[wide tiger]

no delays

[leaden thunder]

double explosion

[viral solstice]

that sounds

unspeakably powerful

[wide tiger]

also ammo, so 3

[clear hamlet]

Just steal the vets ammo

[wide tiger]

always do

[viral solstice]

its not stealing

vets dont have rights

[wide tiger]

yeah if anything they get less ammo rights they have higher base pools

[near wyvern]

You just need to ask that zealot friend running around like Sonic the Hedgehog to grab all the ammo before that camo expert can get there.

[clear hamlet]

Arguably as powerful as exterminatus

[viral solstice]

just went into a mission with +9 stam on deadshot because i forgot i was testing parry

i think i have to leave

[clear hamlet]

@viral solstice become plasma gamer like me

[viral solstice]

cant use plasma with deadshot -> dead 2 me

[near wyvern]

Updated Atheneum to include info how Soulblaze behaves when multiple players apply it on same target

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[viral solstice]

actually let me show u the saddest short story in the world

[clear hamlet]

I took a green plasma rifle to damnation because blessings suck and I wasn't dead weight yay

[viral solstice]

teh thing about plasma is

bolter is CREESPY

but plasma is MOOSHY

u know what i mean

[near wyvern]

We need something that squeaks

[viral solstice]

100%

[clear hamlet]

But big dumdums keep blocking my shots

[viral solstice]

also familiars

do psykers get familiars

how about idk

warp bats

and tier 30 skill u pick ur familiar

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Zq5huSxT5OPzU/d13374G3dKHG?invite=cr-MSxXcWcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

this is the saddest shit

[hard oyster]

Warp toddler ogryns

[viral solstice]

oh shit thats not even +9 thats only +6

[clear hamlet]

@viral solstice the amount of ogryns that just walked in front of me today while I was lining up shots was infuriating

[viral solstice]

it could be SLOWER

tbh

i unironically think i had an ogryn doing it deliberately earlier

highly suspect activity

[clear hamlet]

My vet keeps getting orange emperor's blessings

Decent ones too

Why can't I get a staff on psyker

[coarse dagger]

Because fs made sure we get lore accurate feeling for psyker class. Always discriminated against

[clear hamlet]

That's why I run gun psyker

[coarse dagger]

I got white and green staffs i was able to upgrade

Now if only hit detection for me fav staff didn't go down the shitter with the last patches

[clear hamlet]

My only staff that doesn't suck is surge

[coarse dagger]

Purg is that for me

My surg suck major xenos ass

[clear hamlet]

I can't stand purg tbh

[coarse dagger]

I love it

[clear hamlet]

This thing can cure blindness

[coarse dagger]

Imagine 3 of them

Firing at once

It's all white blue screen

Laser eye surgery for free

[wide tiger]

Well, i do 400 dps on maulers with your macro @near wyvern, I'm guessing that surge makes some of that difference

[clear hamlet]

I'm tempted to sac my psyker laspistol for infernus iv but I know I'm going to regret it

Imagine saccing this and fartfish announcing shared inventory

[wide tiger]

Low peril too so not full crit potential

definitely makes voidstrike feel better

[near wyvern]

Yeah

[wide tiger]

i can really notice the difference without stam regen

[viral solstice]

3s of shooting

1 minute of regret

[wide tiger]

Also even with just the 2ms charge im staggering everything

[karmic apex]

Which do I change for transfer peril?

[wide tiger]

nexus

[viral solstice]

ye vs stagger is dank

[limpid lily]

what do you guys think about Warp Blaze (I think that's what it's called) on Trauma

[feral verge]

1000% warp nexus

[feral verge]

meh

[limpid lily]

yeah

it's pretty meh

[feral verge]

crab likes it because fire

[dire smelt]

[limpid lily]

I got T3 roll on it, it's pretty fun watching whole groups burn with a blast occasionally but yeah

pretty mehge

[dire smelt]

do staff projectiles snapshot crit?

[limpid lily]

what's snapshot crit?

[dire smelt]

if it is going to crit it will crit all targets would be the easiest explanation

or is the critical chance calculated instead on each target impact as being a separate chance?

[feral verge]

great question

[vagrant furnace]

crit chance is per hit not per cast

[dire smelt]

that was my assumption

[feral verge]

my alt is now level 7

no one has questioned the maelleus armor yet

and no one has questioned me using the poptart staff

[rich rose]

Trying it out, might switch combat blade to duelling

[twilit flicker]

They literally just got their first perk, hehehe

[clear hamlet]

I want a staff that shoots guns

[wide tiger]

voidstrike with macro is a gattling gun :p

[twilit flicker]

I want a gun that shoots bouncing bullets

[clear hamlet]

Like in borderlands

[leaden thunder]

I need to see the full dakka

with surge blessing

[wide tiger]

all i got is screenshots i dont have clips or i would show you

but its pretty fun

[viral solstice]

i think i got the parry

[vagrant furnace]

do you want this, force gunblade

[wide tiger]

they'd make it suck at everything

[clear hamlet]

I hate that thing

[twilit flicker]

FatShark should give us the Moonlight Greatsword, we're wizards after all.... Harry.

[vagrant furnace]

i mean, its a gun, with a blade, isnt it all gunkers wet dream

[leaden thunder]

what are your findings

[viral solstice]

it looks like

[near wyvern]

Yes they do

[viral solstice]

block-> parry in t he very small gap

it works

but tight

[near wyvern]

@dire smelt for void if it is going to crit, the projectile crits everything it touches and then the explosion in the end crits as well

[west galleon]

Brrrrr

[viral solstice]

huh i think i nailed it first time but here u go

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZqtRmEob_ASZW/d1337aVgOAlF?invite=cr-MSxqZEcsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

this is the attack sequence

u can hear and see the double stamina drain

parries on attacks 2-3-4 fail

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZquyXlR3yV89I/d1337v6V2CLd?invite=cr-MSxYQzAsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

like this

u can see the riposte is triggering but u get hit by the second ding

but what u do is

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZquHulGNZJELk/d1337fRNRi2C?invite=cr-MSxIa08sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[feral verge]

fully maxed rank 550 surge staff is only roughly 10% better than this surge staff

funny

[viral solstice]

hold block, and press parry in the gap

[gilded viper]

Wish parry hit harder

[near wyvern]

That's way too sweaty for what the reward is

[lethal folio]

And you are rewarded so generously.

[viral solstice]

look

uhh

its swag ok

[near wyvern]

IMO parry should just negate the stamina cost completely. Including those crusher overheads

[viral solstice]

tbh

parries within 0.1s of the impact

should let u parry unblockables

just frames are always cool

but yeah its not... good

but i'm happy that my theory actually worked

i suspect also that might be really hard

with ping

[gilded viper]

No lie I just wish partying make u invisible during the attack back animation to make it worth using in hordes , but idk if that would be too strong

[viral solstice]

well they deliberately made parry as a block ender and not horde invulnerability

but yeah it would be nice to have a bit of

u know

reward

also the power should scale with the power of the move u parried

[gilded viper]

It basically a strike of the light combo

[viral solstice]

more risk more reward

[gilded viper]

I want the enemy head to just crumble after I parry them

[wet jacinth]

Make it so it can parry ranged

"Parry this casual"

[viral solstice]

give that to psykers

[gilded viper]

New forcesword idea

[crimson patio]

Hello siblings, what am I swapping FC and ranged damage for?

[wet jacinth]

Ngl psykers I was thinking more like how titans catch bullets and then send them back

Titan fall

[lilac tapir]

Nexus and Flak

[viral solstice]

im actually amazed how consistent that parry is

either theres some leniency in there

or its just meatgrinder ping

[noble tusk]

Ranged to either crit chance or flak. Keep FC, replace flurry with nexus

[near gale]

Isn't warp flurry still broken, on the purgatus?

[coarse dagger]

focused chaneling is nice id keep it

[coarse dagger]

i have it on my staff and yeah it is

[near gale]

Focused Channeling is like a quality of life blessing, especially for the purgatus

[crimson patio]

Interesting, FC only affects charge but not cast

Since I've been bonked while casting and the animation continued

[lilac tapir]

once they fix flurry, nexus + flurry will be the best combo though, so he will have to replace the whole staff, hence my recommendation to keep flurry and replace FC with nexus instead

[crimson patio]

I am also leaning into no FC, since I would rather let go early to stagger whatever is in my face instead of eating a hit

[lilac tapir]

with purg you can quckly stagger with light attack and you generally don't want to get hit anyway (dodging around while purging is important)

[crimson patio]

Does FC do anything else or just let me charge it up completely if hit? Ik the games loves hidden stats

[noble tusk]

To future proof, replace FC with nexus. This is true

[lilac tapir]

so I would advise to play without FC, otherwise you will learn bad practices (letting yourself be hit cause you can)

[crimson patio]

FC only affects the charge and not the cast, so I guess I will go for Nexus

Fortunately that's the only T3 blessing I have atm lol

tyvm, the Emperor protects

[noble tusk]

@crimson patio I'd make sure to add crit chance in for the perk as crits add more stacks of soulblaze

[crimson patio]

I just swapped off of +4% crit ;-;

[lilac tapir]

I think that the ideal purg roll for now is T4 Nexus with T4 Barrage, and you replace the Barrage with T4 Flurry once Flurry is fixed.

[crimson patio]

Does the +damage VS only affect the cast damage, or the DoT as well?

[noble tusk]

I think it's all but not sure

[spice veldt]

it affects soulblaze

[noble tusk]

I'd agree here

[crimson patio]

is flurry just not working atm or is it also increasing caste time lol

Since I also have a surge with T3 nexus and flurry

[crimson patio]

ty, then I will probably swap over to flak

Kinetic Barrage is help enough for the big lads

aaand out of PlAsTeEl, the "common" crafting ingredient

ty for your help

[feral verge]

when i use t4 warp flurry on my purga

the bar charges faster

but idk if it's actually faster

like the cast time or whatever

idk how to explain

[viral solstice]

ok

thats swag

[feral verge]

i can try to record

[viral solstice]

sorry i typed in wrong chat somebody just asked how to parry a bulwark and i found out u can do this

[dire smelt]

[viral solstice]

TIME TO RUN

[dire smelt]

always running

[gilded viper]

How many swing to get to the center of a bulwark?

[dire smelt]

that perk would have been better if you could charge shots while sprinting

[viral solstice]

it always takes a long time but at least u can make them feel bad

[dire smelt]

btw whats the difference between rending and brittle?

[gilded viper]

[gilded viper]

Rending is self buff / brittle is enemy debuff

[dire smelt]

[feral verge]

uploading vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYAr2yRHq_M

[gilded viper]

Banana

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZqJXGEVo6EbGV/d1337CJxzV3f?invite=cr-MSxKSVosMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

now das what i call profit

[gilded viper]

Wtf

[wide tiger]

Its not because there's a delay to bring up the charge

Whereas without flurry theres no delay

and since it charges so damn fast anyways, it nets you a loss

[gilded viper]

Surprise u fit a parry on your L1

[viral solstice]

yea

ive shown that previously

basically the light-> parry window is super tight

[wide tiger]

Which is why im waiting for them to fix flurry before i put it on my purg:

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ZbRBdcPhc29KL/d1337lwZxavS?invite=cr-MSxTT3IsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[feral verge]

that was my plan too

[viral solstice]

u can see it here

the final level of the parry meme for ragers

[feral verge]

then some guy came in here and said it was fixed in the last hotfix or whatever

[viral solstice]

is fitting lights into all the gaps

[feral verge]

so i put my wapr flurry iv on it to test

[wide tiger]

dont think it is, you tell me

[feral verge]

i'm not saying it is fixed

[gilded viper]

Preparing yourself when they overbuff parry by adding another 0

[feral verge]

cuz idk

[viral solstice]

ye

[feral verge]

the bar definitely charges faster, but like i said idk if the actual cast is fater because i never compared

but i'll take oyur word for it

[viral solstice]

i mean what is the point of playing bideogame

if not to learn pointless tech

[wide tiger]

i can check cause i have a flurry 4 on a purg

[gilded viper]

Teue, been memong with the claw 7 for a bit, I like the weapon but man I hate the flak helmet dudes

[viral solstice]

i really want them to make the attacks weirder

fuck up those animations and buff the base stats

shits too basic

[wide tiger]

yeah it looks like they fixed it

[feral verge]

cool

idk why they couldnt put that in the patch notes

its an important fix

[wide tiger]

err, its hard to tell actually lol

i keep switching between the two and there is a minor delay on the flurry one

its not consistent

definitely feels less "sticky" without flurry

[rich rose]

For gunker, what would you bless the duelling saber with?

[viral solstice]

the blood of heretics imo

[rich rose]

Well, beyond that 😛

[wide tiger]

I have a rampage/uncanny dueling saber and a riposte/shred dueling saber and the riposte/shred one actually feels better, idk why

[viral solstice]

crits are cool

dont need to fuck around activating rampage

ur dodgin all the time so ur probs crittin lots

[crimson patio]

Rerolled to T4 Flak took 5 mins, Hadron keeps speaking

[wide tiger]

yeah all crit all the time

[crimson patio]

10/10 experience

[near wyvern]

@wide tiger

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/purgatus-and-surge-warp-flurry-bug/76536

[wide tiger]

ahhh its the 5 stacks

that makes sense

[feral verge]

i blame this bug for all of my failures in-game

(yes, even when im not currently using purga)

[rich rose]

what perks for Shredder?

[olive ember]

blaze away and pinning fire

you really want want both, pinning fire is the more important one though

[wide tiger]

the stackage

is intense

[twilit flicker]

All this perk talk makes me wanna try getting on with gray weapons and step it up a notch with no curios.

[wide tiger]

I really wish they'd let me use same weapon across chars

like i hate rolling a good shotgun on my vet that i cant use on my zealot etc

or having to roll 3 good vraks MKIII

hard enough getting one solid weapon let alone 3

[twilit flicker]

They seem to be fairly good at listening to the people. Let's hope they make the changes that will let that happen.

[olive ember]

But what about the player retention

[steel flame]

Well then you'd have like 10 less layers of RNG and we can't have that now can we?

[snow panther]

should i buy this

[wide tiger]

You're right

[wide tiger]

You're right 😦

[twilit flicker]

No, the consensus is Riposte sucks. Is that the consensus guys?

[olive ember]

Precog

[wide tiger]

I like riposte

[olive ember]

riposte ain't much better tho

[wide tiger]

20% crit, easy to keep stacked

bout as reliable as shred

[leaden thunder]

precog is the one that sucks

riposte is fine

[wide tiger]

rapier has nice crits

[twilit flicker]

Especially with that juicy dodge distance the DS gets!

[feral verge]

sometihng i've noticed

male seer psykers tend to play the worst

[snow panther]

which one is the seer

[steel flame]

Fuck player retention ,that word makes my skin crawl. How about you just make a good goddam game and I'll keep playing it for a decade.

[feral verge]

the 'my beloved' guy

[snow panther]

lol

[twilit flicker]

Try not judge a book by its cover, not all vets are bad lmao

[feral verge]

savant male psykers tend to be good

[steel flame]

Wow. I feel personally attacked.

[snow panther]

which is the one that sounds crazy german

thats mine

and his name is ElonMusk

[leaden thunder]

loner

loner is based

[feral verge]

female savant (frenchie) psykers almost always look like this.

[twilit flicker]

I like that guy, actually I kinda like them all. They have nice qualities.

[leaden thunder]

I find female seer anoying as fuck

[feral verge]

sienna

wannabe

[snow panther]

i dont most of the zealots tbh

[leaden thunder]

it's not actually sienna luckily

[feral verge]

what do ya'll psykers look like

ik its not sienna

but it sounds like her

[dire smelt]

@viral solstice

[feral verge]

mine. female loner

post chars

[steel flame]

Well they wouldn't be Zealots if they didn't have unlikable personalities now would they

[feral verge]

i wanna see the female savants here

see if they prove my point

[viral solstice]

shes the goonie one

[feral verge]

based

[steel flame]

This is my seer psyker

He's having a moment don't mind the waffle he's decided to wear

[robust relic]

Halp! What do I reroll and to what?

[snow panther]

can you land Rampage with the mkV DS?

[peak root]

Does Psykers only start out with only Brain Bust?

[steel flame]

Change run and gun to nexus, ranged damage to unarmored

Best you can do with that roll

[snow panther]

damn just rolled this

[feral verge]

sexy

[steel flame]

Wdym?

[snow panther]

replace uncanny with something? rampage or shred?

[feral verge]

put shred over uncanny strike

thne you have a crit saber

[spice veldt]

Yup. Brain Burst is the first and only warp weapon at level 1

You'll unlock the other force weapons as you level up

You get the last staff (Purgatus) at level 15 iirc

[steel flame]

Did they fix it to be warp yet

[peak root]

Ah, thanks!

[spice veldt]

i think they fixed ceereadsakbkdasbral laceration's description?

[feral verge]

they did fix ceereadsakbkdasbral laceration's descrip.

[steel flame]

I don't think the t2 warp attack perk affects bb still

[spice veldt]

very cool

Warp Unleashed refers to force weapons specifically i think

of course I would say that my hands are a force to reckon with

[feral verge]

they're scared to increase BB dps

[frail berry]

Is finesse super important on dueling sword? I have an 80/80/79/80/56(finesse) MK V sitting in queue

[spice veldt]

if it's the same as other weapons, then finesse should be attack speed and crit/weakspot dmg

i'd probably treat defence or mobility as my dumpstats for the MKV

[frail berry]

I was kind of thinking that too :S

[spice veldt]

f to your 370 roll

[olive ember]

Press x to doubt

[feral verge]

i find finesse important

[olive ember]

Woahhhh

I need 3 PRO GAMERS to help me beat this IMPOSSIBLE mission

[feral verge]

im down lol

[spice veldt]

make sure to bring your 550 weapons

[olive ember]

double shield ogryn

actually malice gaming

[olive ember]

XD mb I shouldve queued sedition

no one plays sedition anymore rip

[feral verge]

dead game

[dire smelt]

[near gale]

But you can't see the eye tatoo on the forehead, on mine, with that hair style

[stable silo]

ascendant blaze vs kinetic barrage

[olive ember]

which staff

[stable silo]

trauma

[olive ember]

KB

[spice veldt]

depends on your build and playstyle, but I run KB with trauma

[olive ember]

alright so

who is this

[fiery atlas]

@spice veldt is it me or is FS special really nasty

[spice veldt]

yes

I absolutely love it, and it's one of the reasons why I exclusively use it

[ruby meadow]

It's cool til you get bonked during and lose all of the damage

[fiery atlas]

can you use FS special while sliding

i only ask because I may do some stupid funny moves while trying to be flashy

[safe crystal]

Do you mean charge it up or dealing damage with the special?

[spice veldt]

yes, you can move while sliding as you special

[safe crystal]

Pretty sure you can do both

[spice veldt]

but you must be in a slide before your special hits an enemy

[fiery atlas]

oh ok

[feral verge]

not me

[fiery atlas]

the only reason I asked is because I thought about doing FS runs only

(this includes no BB)

i'd be squish

[spice veldt]

you could do that but that would prob still take a bunch of kiting

[fiery atlas]

but right now, I'm content with BBing the bosses and deleting their HP

[spice veldt]

at least FS makes it easy to deal with ragers

[fiery atlas]

which is what i figured

[spice veldt]

I've tried to be built different and forced myself to use melee during certain fights, but I ended up just losing a bunch of HP

[fiery atlas]

boss fights are the worst

[spice veldt]

beast of nurgle melee only

[fiery atlas]

don't do that to me

[olive ember]

i dont get thsi corner camp strat on consignment yard

its so shit

[wide tiger]

consignment yard final event is so chill just do w/e you feel like

[spice veldt]

I just sit inside the train cuz I don't want to get sniped

and then I get sniped because snipers don't just stay at the second level and position themselves to fuck me

[wide tiger]

I like to sit at the edge

cause if i get lucky and a poxburster comes

it can push me to extract

[spice veldt]

damn

u smart

[fiery atlas]

peak out and get a cheeky BB charge

[spice veldt]

have you actually gotten launched to the other side

[wide tiger]

yes

its hilarious

enemies cant path to you

[feral verge]

consignment yard and uhh

the event on the newer map

[fiery atlas]

poxbursters clutching Ws since 2022

[feral verge]

where you just hold out until help arrives

[spice veldt]

commsplex

[feral verge]

are my fav finales

[wide tiger]

oh yeah, throneside

[olive ember]

its just annoying cuz like

im at the top of the train

clearing specials n shit and im getting swarmed by poxwalkers

and im like "huh where is the rest of my team"

[wide tiger]

on the other side afk cause no aggro 😄

[olive ember]

I look back and two of them are afk camping in the stupid corner near the medstation

yep

[wide tiger]

channeling their inner camo expert

[spice veldt]

more kills for you

[fiery atlas]

the vet is there

but they're missing their entire clip for their frag montage

[olive ember]

there was indeed a vet

who failed to kill a crusher with bolter

[fiery atlas]

amazing

[wide tiger]

damn

[fiery atlas]

your vet did so much work

unreal

[olive ember]

I saw the guy open up on the crusher I was meleeing

so I stopped meleeing the crusher to deal with the rager near him

mfw I turn around and the crusher is winding up an overhead

[wide tiger]

He didnt wanna kill steal what a standup guy

[fiery atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-gif-sobbing-uoooh-gif-24612778

[robust relic]

what would be perfect bless/perks on a Purgatus? Nexus/Terrify + unarmored/crit ?

[ornate hamlet]

Has anyone received a curio with >20% toughness?

[wide tiger]

17% max i believe

unless you mean with perk as well

[ornate hamlet]

The base blessing

[robust relic]

17% max

[fiery atlas]

i wonder if purg staff would make my PC bottom out

[thick carbon]

I don't think I've ever heard of this blessing. Does it do what it sounds like it does?

[spice veldt]

make sure to turn bloom on

[wide tiger]

do bombers and flamers f you up?

[fiery atlas]

does that help

[fiery atlas]

yeah

[wide tiger]

yes

[olive ember]

yes, not worth

[fiery atlas]

gives me motion sickness sometimes

[spice veldt]

if you want to blind yourself, bloom is the option to turn on

[fiery atlas]

very good

i thought bloom bottomed out pc performance

[wide tiger]

if you use @near wyvern 's macro i do believe its worth

[fiery atlas]

i forgot, what does voidstrike do

[spice veldt]

I personally have all my graphics options set to the lowest

strikes with void

[thick carbon]

big ball of penetrating energy

[wide tiger]

goes balls deep

[fiery atlas]

sounds like a khorntastic time

[thick carbon]

kinda like a BFG

[fiery atlas]

same

my pc does pretty well actually but when i get flamers

i lose like 10-15 fps

[river sand]

but its so ulgy with everything on low.

[spice veldt]

I haven't noticed any frame drops related to flames in my case

[fiery atlas]

it's not ugly by many means lol

the game still looks good on low

[spice veldt]

usually it's explosions that do that for me

game looks pretty good, even in ultra performance DLSS

[fiery atlas]

if i look away from the explosions and sometimes in trash hordes, everything is fine

idk

might ask darktide modcord if there's a mod available for particles

[river sand]

got everything on highest + raytracing looks nice

[spice veldt]

the only graphic option I have on is just Sharpen to counteract the blurriness of DLSS

[thick carbon]

is it worth it to turn on raytracing with a 3080? or do I need a 4000 series to run it reliably?

[olive ember]

the machine gun?

[wide tiger]

yea

[river sand]

i got an 3080 in my office, turned it off there

[wide tiger]

it basically creates what primary fire should've been

[fiery atlas]

y'all intel i3 and gtx 1650 are doing work

those are barebones but they are pull the weight of the world on their shoulders

[near wyvern]

RMB down, 20ms, LMB down, 20ms, R down, 2ms, LMB up, 2ms, RMB up, 2ms, R up, 2ms

Tune to your liking but that's a good starting point. Going lower than 20ms for the RMB hold may cause you to shoot LMB every now and then. You might be able to use 2ms after LMB down

[tender onyx]

What's the consensus on Wrack and Ruin when paired with Ascendant Blaze. Meta or just okay? Tried it in a few missions and I can't really tell if it's boosting my performance over Inner Tranquility

[near wyvern]

@olive ember when tuned right it should look about like this

https://youtu.be/kaF6_PMLkgY

[wide tiger]

I like it with barrage

[lunar hollow]

just found a new one

psyker named jimmy neutron

[feral verge]

nice

[fiery atlas]

i named my psyker "brainchad"

so if you see some random weirdo with force sword saying "it's psykin time," that's me

[near wyvern]

Wrack and ruin is ok'ish for a gun psyker / BB based build. You take AB vs KB based on if you feel you need more horde clear or more single target damage. Taking Wrack and Ruin for AB charge procs is just wishing you win consistently at a lottery. AB charge procs have trouble to be consistent with anything else than the purgatus staff.

[summer prairie]

it's definitely more fun than warp unleashed depending on your team comp. Wouldn't take it without barrage though

[feral verge]

my characters are named after children of atom NPCs from fallout 4 lol

farharbor dlc

they're religious, militant zealots

hence the name inspiration

[tender onyx]

Kinda seems like it works better with KB since you can stack a bunch of BBs to get alot of soulblaze stacks

[wide tiger]

really good when you barrage a crusher or bulwark

[fiery atlas]

question

what blessings should i have on my fs

[leaden thunder]

sluaghterer

100%

[spice veldt]

Slaughterer and bloodthirsty for an offensive FS

but good luck getting Bloodthirsty (crits for 5 seconds after special kill)

[river sand]

that macro can be made more versatile by leaving out rmb, then you can decide how much you wanna charge if you press rmb manually and use macro to fire off the shot

[feral verge]

is there a video of this macro in action

i wanna see how f ast it is

it's faster than warp flurry 4 right?

[river sand]

for full charge shots no

[summer prairie]

Warp flurry speeds up charging, the macro doesn't

[river sand]

the macro negates the cast delay between shots

[fiery atlas]

can you proc it off of BB

or does BB not apply weapon buffs

[spice veldt]

nah, most cross-weapon blessing interactions were patched out a while ago

except for intentional cross-weapon interactions and a few things that they forgor

[fiery atlas]

very good to know

[spice veldt]

If you have power buffs from a melee weapon, they'll boost any active Soulblaze dmg on enemies, for example. That's probably unintended

[leaden thunder]

maybe?

[spice veldt]

Revolver has a blessing that gives it more crit chance if you get a melee kill

[leaden thunder]

I mean it's 100% unintended

but idk if it will ever be changed

[fiery atlas]

might have to remap my BB key

my fingers cry every time i reach for the G key

[spice veldt]

I bring my hand closer to my body to reach the G key

that doesn't strain my hand much

and it makes it easy to press F and then G

[fiery atlas]

might remap it to the Q key

i don't use weapon quick swap

tf2 has ruined me in that respect

[spice veldt]

mouse wheel?

[fiery atlas]

nope

[spice veldt]

oh number keys

[fiery atlas]

exclusively use num keys

yep

[spice veldt]

I have my Q bound to ranged and E to melee

also courtesy of tf2

well was that tf2 or csgo

[fiery atlas]

me trying to do fancy ass moves that end up getting me killed (courtesy of tf2)

[spice veldt]

probably more of L4D2 for the melee anim cancel tech

[fiery atlas]

i didn't play l4d2 for long

i rebound my slide key to c

[spice veldt]

it was the game I pretty much played until darktide came out

[fiery atlas]

i did vermintide 2 and some dbd until darktide came under my radar

[spice veldt]

dodge to shift and crouch for c as well

[fiery atlas]

a lot of vt2 players said darktide is kind of eh right now

[timid storm]

Mine's been changed to Q

[fiery atlas]

i see their complaints but I think the game's OK for its released state right now

[timid storm]

Q is the ability key and my mind cant be changed

[void mural]

It's the same story both vermintides had. It'll be an actually functional game in about a year

[fiery atlas]

besides

darktide's kind of been a cute introduction into 40k

for me at least

except ulting the daemonhost and getting teamwiped

that was not a cute introduction to darktide

[void mural]

Not really, it's still a buggy mess with inconsistent performance and crashing for a lot of people. The amount of content is not as much as vermintides. The crafting system actually exists now, but it still sucks compared to vermintide 2's. The mission selection system sucks. Where's the story?

[fiery atlas]

well, i did say it was OK for its release state
by many means I understand the complaints

[void mural]

It's a great base, and I know from experience that in about a year, it'll be an actually complete game. The one we should have had on release

[wet jacinth]

Copium

[fiery atlas]

lack of content + lack of story

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[wet jacinth]

Incomplete crafting system

[fiery atlas]

plus the...beast of nurgle vomiting an brogryn off the edge of a map

[fiery atlas]

that too

[wet jacinth]

Well they had one but decided to change it last second hence the incomplete crafting system

[void mural]

Everything involving barrels and ledge grabs... and buggy platforms and rails that you can just fall right through and into the abyss

[wet jacinth]

Features*

[fiery atlas]

that too

it's still kind of like that for vt2

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[fiery atlas]

chaos monsters and bosses can bug out

[wet jacinth]

As a Slayer. I ult off ledges on purpose

FOR ALCOHALLLA

[fiery atlas]

have a strong feeling they copied a bunch of the code from vt2 into darktide

[void mural]

There's not nearly the number of pits to fall into in vermintide though. Barrels aren't a knockback thing either

[fiery atlas]

GRIMNIR'S WRAAAATH

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

No way

Impoosible

[void mural]

+decided to fork the code from the beginning of vermintide so that they carry over all the existing bugs that were fixed over vermintide 2's life span.

[fiery atlas]

I think they did that to add as a risk for the game

i could be wrong

[void mural]

Then it's shit game design

Putting in all these systems for hp, toughness, and complex combat. Then 1 barrel can instantly kill you with no ledge grab

[wet jacinth]

Everything is shit design if someone complains about it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/448690561541603349/831668949342355476/WhenYoureAccusedOfEatingBrushes.gif

[void mural]

The quickswap bug has been in the game since vermintide 1. We had to have mods to fix it in both vermintides, and it still exists in their third tide game

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/pinguman-surprise-pinguman-mikefoster-surprise-monke-surprised-gif-25977149

[fiery atlas]

idk what they'll do later

hopefully the complete the crafting system AND STREAMLINE MAKING NEW CHARACTERS

[void mural]

I'll agree that fatshark have got an amazing formula for their in game loop and combat system, and they know how to craft an atmosphere and characters like few developers do... but EVERYTHING surrounding those good parts is a a MESS

[elder rain]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[fiery atlas]

hmmm

wait a lil bit and then see if you get something better

[elder rain]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[wet jacinth]

Would be perfect if damage and mobility were swapped

Unless you prefer the mobility over minmax damage

[wide tiger]

wont change much for breakpoints i dont think

should be finne

[fiery atlas]

is dueling sword worth having

[feral verge]

i love dueling sword

[wet jacinth]

Yes

[neat sand]

The dueling sword is like marmite you love them or hate them 🙂 I hate them

[blissful mural]

What's the consensus on best blessing for bs with deflector?

[wet jacinth]

Weird comparison but you do you

BS?

[clear hamlet]

🅱️ ower sword

oh wait im drunk and this isnt the veteran channel

[olive ember]

fucking dueling sword

visual disgust

[blissful mural]

My bad

Ps

Fs

Force sword

[spice veldt]

slaughterer if you're using your force sword for hordeclear
unstable power if you're just using it as your "I'm at 100% peril and can't use my staff" option
bloodthirsty if you like crits

Slaughterer is generally the best blessing for FS though

[wide tiger]

Slaughterer is generally the best blessing for FS though

still think theyre gonna nerf it

just such a strong blessing comparatively

[spice veldt]

:(((

[leaden thunder]

second best blessing*

[spice veldt]

heavy swords aren't real

[leaden thunder]

heavy sword headtaker is better

[spice veldt]

if it's not a psyker weapon, it's not real

even if it was in a psyker trailer

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/sword-bonk-kids-fighting-gif-23618917

[leaden thunder]

ngl

I thought that kid was gonna hit himself in the nuts with the hilt

I am kinda disapointed he didn't

[cold geode]

lol

[wide tiger]

Just wait, heavy force sword slaughterer + headtaker

[feral verge]

pet peeve

when ppl just try to camp up there

they either get downed, or dont provide support on point, where we actually need it

[leaden thunder]

if they jump the rail and sit on the edge thats normally fine

[olive ember]

Just a reminder that the psyker had a heavy sword in the trailer, a powersword in the promo art, and a shotgun in the CBT

all our weapons, stolen

given to the lesser classes

[feral verge]

also, check out this ledge

might be the most bogus ledge in the game

[olive ember]

those stairs weren't OSHA compliant

[lethal lagoon]

Anyone know if warp flurry is bugged on Surge?

[feral verge]

yes

[feral verge]

.

[lethal lagoon]

Ugh. I should probably save tier 4 warp flurry right? They'll fix it eventually... right?

I saw another one earlier where it's suspected that warp flurry fucks with warp nexus.

[agile garden]

What perks and blessings are best for a dueling sword? And which Mark of the dueling swords and why?

[willow hazel]

There is a ledge directly above a scripture spawn towards the end of smelter complex. I have died there literally 5 feet above a scripture

Which blessing is best to switch for mercy killer on this?

[leaden thunder]

on your psyker?

get a new knife

imo

bleed sucks if you aren't on zealot

executor + uncanny strikes would be your best bet

[willow hazel]

It has to be worth 50% weakspot damage to run a bleed perk right?

[leaden thunder]

that's like

20 something % actual damage on heavies

and like 43% on lights or something

mercy killer is like the one weak spot thing that isn't total shit

might be the other way around on those 2 values idk

since "just get a new one" isn't actualyl good advice here

I'd replace flesh tearer with it

[willow hazel]

I can't imagine executor is good when the knife is just about spamming block attacks

[wide tiger]

i just dont use the knife on anyone but zealot, and then zealot has heavy sword so i dont really use the knife

well knife block attacks hit head so

[leaden thunder]

I was gonna say

[wide tiger]

but i guess block attacks reset consecutive hit

so yeah

[wet jacinth]

Push attack. But yeah I'm sure we know what you meant

[wide tiger]

I call it block attack and I always will! Down with accepted conventions

[leaden thunder]

it may not reset executor, i'd have to check

[willow hazel]

Knife psyker is pretty strong honestly

[wet jacinth]

Knife in general is strong

Just depends if you handle like ragers and etc with it or not

[stable silo]

For staff whats considered better trauma or surge

[wide tiger]

id say trauma, but opinion based