and u roll crit not weakspot because crit make MORE BLOB
#psyker-class
fading heath
xD
wraith raft
Transfer peril on trauma staff is ok??
I'm trying to get nexus and flurry without success.
olive ember
Transfer peril on trauma staff is ok??
I'm trying to get nexus and flurry witho...
its not that good, only procs on lmb's
since you don't hit weakspots with the ground explosion
Meta blessings are warp flurry + rending shockwave tho warp flurry is the only super important one
vernal blade
since you don't hit weakspots with the ground explosion
Has that been confirmed by someone? Even on casting it from a high ground or on knocked down enemies?
olive ember
Admittedly I haven't tested it myself but multiple people have said that only works on lmb
cyan notch
it definitely dont work no matter where you aim
limpid lily
guys does Block efficiency apply to FS's Deflector peril gain on block and stamina cost?
olive ember
thats what people say
tho i've been running block efficiency since before I got a deflector FS and i'm too lazy to find out myself XD
limpid lily
people say that stamina is better but I wonder if block efficiency also works with it somewhat
limpid lily
icic
idle bay
I created 13 stamina and 65% Block Effeciency build for Force sword just to test how much bullets it can eat with Kinetic Deflection and Deflector. Quite a lot naturally. Though it's absolutely pointless trick 🙂
Was that heresy and 12 shooters - block held for like 30 seconds, whiought dumping peril with F
uneven drift
Yes, long ago.
steel flame
Was that heresy and 12 shooters - block held for like 30 seconds, whiought dumpi...
I mean. It works as advertised. Is it useful? Probably if you have 3 camo vets.
idle bay
I mean. It works as advertised. Is it useful? Probably if you have 3 camo vets.
It's onlu use is to make Meat Grinder videos with Creature spawner mod 🙂 Practical use in missions - nope 🙂
steel flame
Is it cool. Absolutely
I dunno I run +6 stamina 45% block on my purge build so I can go where ever the hell I want without having to play footsie constantly
Works well on Damnation when I need to close on a horde
idle bay
I run only one +3 Stamina (instead of useless Wound curios). And quite a lot of Block efficiency and axe 🙂 Emeregency mid-horde revive service 🙂
steel flame
having a third wound can be pretty handy with all that corruption and heresy flying around
idle bay
I switched my mentality into - playing in a way that does no make use any of your wounds, unless AI director goes apeshit crazy and things goes tits up completely.'
Playing with just 2 should always be enough to keep your going until next Medicae station
Anyway after 1000+ missions only thing that really varies in missions are idiocy-level of your teammates
Spawn points and triggers for spawn are muscle memory at this point
And another variable AI goes nuts sometimes. Breaking the usual triggers
twilit flicker
I guess wounds are only good if your team can help you. Would you advise others to take wounds if they're no good at the game? It would be extra work for you either way.
steel egret
Ive seen some really wacky spawns these few days Ive played
idle bay
I guess wounds are only good if your team can help you. Would you advise others ...
Nope - i would advise to avoid wounds completely right from the start 🙂
steel egret
Like literally nothing just poxwalkers till medicae station, then snipers, crushers, trappers, abomination, horde
At same time
twilit flicker
Had a couple games with goofy team mates. A lvl 23 ogryn in damnation in one and a purgatus psyker who couldn't be bothered to stand close to the horde, be brave sibling! ... this past weekend, it was good overall though.
steel egret
Other psykers scare me when they just BB everything or their firerate is once a minute.
twilit flicker
Or the surge psyker who cant bb
idle bay
Curio setup i ended up on all my characters:
Ogryn - 3 Health
Psykjer - 2 Health 1 Stamina(+3)
Veteran - 3 Health
Zealot - 2 Health 1Stamina (+3)
And i really really hate to play zealot
steel egret
Why would he need to? Besides snipers or if he has dmg buff on BB for abominations.
olive ember
I guess wounds are only good if your team can help you. Would you advise others ...
I take one for safety, otherwise running no wounds is also fine
twilit flicker
Why would he need to? Besides snipers or if he has dmg buff on BB for abominatio...
Answered your own question there, it doesn't have to apply to snipers only of course, sometimes he could be in a better position to take care of bombers. Snap a BB off before the mutie gets close. You pretty much answered your own question but dumbed it down a lot
steel egret
If he has surge staff he doesnt need to bb mutie.
twilit flicker
Sure
idle bay
BB is tactical tool that you can apply in a smart way when needed.
And since quality of Vets drops into the under-hive-poop=sewers level - it's safe to BB random elites - they will aim 20 seconds to shot the glowing head.
steel egret
Kind of ass to do without speed buff to it.
idle bay
And experienced vet with full penance helmet - is more likely to run suboptimal gun or Bolter , so your BB is mostly safe
But if you see that someone in you team have LONG auto-gun - your BB's are doomed to be poped peremptevily 🙂
Lasgans - pff.. usualy slow shooters
olive ember
And experienced vet with full penance helmet - is more likely to run suboptimal ...
autopistol intensifies
steel egret
Generally dont use BB unless I really have to.
idle bay
autopistol intensifies
Range to short to threaten BB's
idle bay
They are playing for FUN
olive ember
idle bay
And it's sacred 🙂
steel egret
Vets just go to heretic kindergarden.
olive ember
experienced psyker and vets are probably some of the most valuable assets imo
zealots.... ehhhh
wet belfry
Nerfing themselves with bad weapons keeps it somewhat interseting.
olive ember
Columnus V Autogun Psyker is much much worse
steel egret
True
olive ember
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081306969366876251/image.png
but hey my MetaPsykerTM build has been proven to beat hi5
idle bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081319003479355412/i...
A Quicken! I see you are a man of culture as well 🙂
olive ember
😄
idle bay
That is the whole point
steel egret
Yes
To make it worse I would probably change to kinetic flayer and AB.
Then not use BB
idle bay
Or F
When i was doing weeklies last week, on My Zealot i barely unholstred my hammer - doing most of the kills in melee range with gun, dodging and weaving.
stuck sinew
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081319003479355412/i...
I'm almost too scared to know what's on those curios
olive ember
All wounds
leaden thunder
wounds
olive ember
of course
steel egret
Ordo and xp
steel egret
Hm
stuck sinew
bomber/pox hound, idk about flamer, but those two are actually useless
leaden thunder
flamer is also useless
steel egret
Mutants is pretty useless too
leaden thunder
mutant is useless but it actually does something
idle bay
Dockets + Experience + Curion/Weapon Chance!
stuck sinew
mutants actually works
stuck sinew
Yeah they do almost literally nothing
idle bay
And best part with how Curios RNG works - it's easy to get perk combo i menationed
stuck sinew
Unless you get into a barfight with the bombers/flamers
steel egret
Maybe 3 grimoire resist
leaden thunder
i've seen the bomber kick down someone
stuck sinew
oof
steel egret
Or the best, leave curios at low quality
idle bay
i've seen the bomber kick down someone
Sniper meleed me once
steel egret
Do they smack or kick?
stuck sinew
I think they kick
olive ember
kick
idle bay
Do they smack or kick?
It was a backstab- i did not seen 🙂
Spawned right behind back and smaked me
I mean.. i usual a Sniper magnet - but that case stands out
stuck sinew
but yeah only way to make that loadout worse is recon lasgun with low ammo roll 
steel egret
280 rating profane weapons
stuck sinew
not that it would be good with a high roll
but you may as well go all the way
bless it with stripped down
stuck sinew
wet jacinth
If you're an ogryn
You'd never have that problem
Because he doesn't need a dumb recon lasgun
leaden thunder
tape 20 of them together and give that to the ogryn
stuck sinew
Meme loadout would be harder on Ogryn because all his ranged are good
wet jacinth
Meme loadout would be harder on Ogryn because all his ranged are good
Low roll rumbler
leaden thunder
and only using the shield
wet jacinth
Common
stuck sinew
or Mk IV kourk
stuck sinew
Yes the stabby
leaden thunder
if you are using the shield I will win becuase you deal no damage
stuck sinew
Shield is great if you hate doing damage or seeing the trappers on your left
stuck sinew
And impersonating a brick wall so your team can do everything on their own
wet jacinth
And impersonating a brick wall so your team can do everything on their own
You either become a wall of cover or a moving wall to block your vets every shot
olive ember
but yeah only way to make that loadout worse is recon lasgun with low ammo roll ...
nah recon las is easily better than columnus on a psyker
leaden thunder
apperenatly the shield does actually function as cover(fyreant tested it)
but the hit box isn't massive
so you can still be shot behind it
and enemies can still walk through it
olive ember
well in a legit gun build it would be
wet jacinth
nah recon las is easily better than columnus on a psyker
When you state a manufacturer and not the actual gun
olive ember
wet jacinth
stuck sinew
If the die hard "protect the lil uns" shield roleplayers actually wanted to do that they'd get a Power Maul and Rumbler and stagger everything into unconsciousness 
olive ember
When you state a manufacturer and not the actual gun
the accatran mk vld recon lasgun
kekw
stuck sinew
nah recon las is easily better than columnus on a psyker
it really isn't
olive ember
it relaly is
stuck sinew
Triggering a 15s cooldown ability a little quicker isn't worth it at all
and we've been over this
I have the video evidence
olive ember
yeah
stuck sinew
olive ember
and in any time you would actually be in range to use the columnus's head tap you would be faster using BB
except maybe shooters
wet jacinth
Triggering a 15s cooldown ability a little quicker isn't worth it at all
when my BB has better rmg of triggering flayer than my actual weapons
olive ember
but recon has better horde clear
wet jacinth
wet jacinth
Atm in my inventory only a Surge/purgatus staff
olive ember
and yes I've used recon lasgun and performance with recon las is better than the fucking columnus
for my psyker atleast
stuck sinew
but recon has better horde clear
For about 20secs until it runs out of ammo
wet jacinth
I did try out the Las pistol psyker for awhile
stuck sinew
it really, really is
olive ember
not really
wet jacinth
But I feel a little sad now that I saw psyker doesn't get chaxe
olive ember
atleast I didn't feel it unless I was specifically using it to shoot like ragers or mutants or something
but then again I'd just use a FS or BB against em
stuck sinew
Literally every game I have a recon user they're orange after first room
olive ember
meh i'll try it out again on my actual gun psyker
but I did it before and yeah
not fun using the columnus
wet jacinth
The issue of recon las psykers is people will just see you as a budget fake vet
steel egret
Wonder why
olive ember
I'm swapping out the las pistol for the recon again
tbh I don't even like the laspistol
wet jacinth
Another is. Recon Las is just one of the guns that would beg for more ammo
leaden thunder
las pistol good
steel egret
If I see vet with laspistol I know things are bad.
olive ember
I mean
leaden thunder
las pistol vet fucks
steel egret
Yes
stuck sinew
Las Pistol does indeed do the sex with heretic noggins
leaden thunder
you have the special push
steel egret
Exclusive push
leaden thunder
clearly the superior weapon for gunkers
steel egret
Add maximum stamina and stam regen for more push
olive ember
and the range on the thing is so finicky
steel egret
stuck sinew
isn't it stronger than the FS push?
wet jacinth
Playing laspistol gunsyker makes me feel like a Jedi who also uses a blaster
steel egret
10m
olive ember
idk i'm more used to the FS push
maybe its the fact that the FS stuns before it pushes
the laspistol doesn't
stuck sinew
It does feel a little jank
steel egret
I just wear beta helmet with laspistol
wet jacinth
I just wear beta helmet with laspistol
Ogryn helmet on lil un feature where
steel egret
Would wear
leaden thunder
it still shows up sometimes
wet jacinth
"PROTECC LIL UN"
olive ember
@steel egret same
granted I was only half meming here and was trying out an actual gunker build
steel egret
I usually get " lol why you use gun " then vet dies and keeps shit talking like nothing happen.
wet jacinth
A psyker with no force weapons but his BB/Ult
olive ember
what difficulty
wet jacinth
Level 14 psyker chimes on to also shit talk
Me who has come across religious psyker users saying it's best class.
steel egret
Yes
wet jacinth
Psyker is strong in its own right. But I wouldn't say it is the best class
stuck sinew
Unparalleled some might say
olive ember
nah psyker is a carry class
same with vet
but thats cuz vet's an overtuned piece of shit
😄
steel egret
I wish vet players also would be
stuck sinew
Vet players are often the ones in need of the carry, ironically
wet jacinth
Imo psyker and ogryns are just good supports. (Unless the ogryn is just "Rip and tear" type
steel egret
So I could stop seeing flashbacks of vet sprinting and poxwalkers downing him.
grizzled jasper
It looked like you were holding a bazooka there
wet jacinth
So I could stop seeing flashbacks of vet sprinting and poxwalkers downing him.
They would have a power sword and XII too
stuck sinew
A psyker with no force weapons but his BB/Ult
literally me
steel egret
I also have recently played with a guy who plays vet with controller.
stuck sinew
I will pop all my problems away
steel egret
He turns so slow he is downed before he even sees whats behind him
steel egret
Prior to this only controller user Ive met was drunk guy who got stuck on elevator
wet jacinth
Probably not a experienced/adept controller user
Or the sensitivity settings are just that low on controller
wet jacinth
I recently went back to 6400 dpi too
olive ember
I mean I used to play CoD on xbox when I was a squeaker so
i think theres just something wrong with the controller kek
steel egret
Last match I played was level 3 zealot who had to carry level 26 vet, 14 vet, 11 ogryn.
Malice
wet jacinth
Last match I played was level 3 zealot who had to carry level 26 vet, 14 vet, 11...
When my friend and I who played vermintide together got to darktide.
Every level 30 we met was hot trash
wet jacinth
Getting carried by level 5 peeps
steel egret
That 26 vet is now 30 and I know he is that.
wet jacinth
I still find myself wanting to play vermintide again though.
olive ember
its not even that good though
steel egret
Need that to proc surge
stuck sinew
when crit soulblaze on surge
wet jacinth
Darktide while it is fun. There just too many trash players coping and seething dying in brain dead Malice.
olive ember
Darktide while it is fun. There just too many trash players coping and seething ...
idk I've seen my fair share of trash players in VT2 tho
wet jacinth
I see this shit in a LOW INTENSITY MALICE too and I'm just like. What the hell...
steel egret
Piece of me is gnawed away by some kid licking his computer screen as he navigates thru perils of the map.
olive ember
this is why we are sedition gamers
wet jacinth
idk I've seen my fair share of trash players in VT2 tho
Problem with that. Most people who still play it aren't the trash ones
olive ember
maybe
wet jacinth
It got a spike of trash players when it went free though
steel egret
Yes
wet jacinth
Another is. Very few public games are cataclysm
steel egret
I have great luck in vermintide 2
olive ember
then again they made the loot system in this game worse
wet jacinth
Most are legend / champion
olive ember
I mean I can't even play cata
don't own the dlc
don't rly plan on buying it either cuz like
XD
wet jacinth
Iirc they stated damnation is like Legend difficulty in vermintide
cyan notch
i dont think they ever said that
ornate hamlet
understatement
wet jacinth
Players around launch did say that
ornate hamlet
yeah maybe players said that, but that means nothing
cyan notch
Players around launch did say that
sure players can say anything but fatshark didnt say shit
olive ember
tbf the players around launch who were playing damnation were probably maybe sorta better than the average player
ornate hamlet
what makes difficulties hard is your team, not the game itself
wet jacinth
sure players can say anything but fatshark didnt say shit
I never said FS said it though
ornate hamlet
a good team can roll through damnation fairly easily
olive ember
I just brain off either way
ornate hamlet
would be nice if the game offered harder difficulties with worthwhile rewards
cyan notch
I never said FS said it though
ok then
ornate hamlet
also would be nice if the itemization in this game wasn't dogwater
also would be nice if the game actually rewarded you for playing it
olive ember
I want more content >.>
wet jacinth
a good team can roll through damnation fairly easily
When I read this. My first thought was hazard 5 double mutations DRG
stuck sinew
Shield Disruption Swarmageddon Magma core
ornate hamlet
Darktide feels like playing one of those free2play games where missions completed give you nothing you actually need, for that you have to use the cash shop.
but this game has no cash shop (other than cosmetics)
so you just get rewarded with shit you don't need
olive ember
(btw I've never touched anything past haz 5 in DRG)
jesus
shield disruption
fml
btw how are elite enemies now anyways
i remember it was pretty bad at the start but they tuned em down a bit?
olive ember
Darktide feels like playing one of those free2play games where missions complete...
except you can relish in the fact that you spent $40 for it
ornate hamlet
i mean it's worth $40, but it gets stale pretty quickly at endgame
the endgame loop is poor
olive ember
tbf idk what exactly will make the end game loop better in horde games
ornate hamlet
and min/max is actually statistically impossible, you can only get close
olive ember
tbh I got bored of DRG pretty quick as well, since the endgame was just doing dailies and praying for the funny weapon overclock
ornate hamlet
tbf idk what exactly will make the end game loop better in horde games
PvP
olive ember
ehhhh
ornate hamlet
being able to control the elites
ornate hamlet
it was pretty fun in left4dead
olive ember
ik it was popular in l4d2 atleast
ornate hamlet
this game could do something similar, where you're the "bad guys" and when they spawn you get to control them sometimes
olive ember
then again maybe since I'm an MMO player
I want funny raids
lots and lots of stupid endless horde raids
ornate hamlet
they could easily implement that sort of pvp if they wanted
stuck sinew
DRG true endgame is collecting all the funny hats
olive ember
just stupid amounts of enemies
stuck sinew
ornate hamlet
would be pretty fun honestly, using mutant to throw ppl off ledge
and shit like that
bomber would be fun af
leaden thunder
DRG true endgame is collecting all the funny hats
mine is killing scouts as driller
stuck sinew
Also building whimsical silly pipelines in OSR
stuck sinew
by far
olive ember
god
ornate hamlet
but yeah, one thing they could do is add a pvp system similar to what left4dead offered.
another thing is, re-work endgame gear grind, which is what they've been working on i guess, it's coming along very slowly
on top of that, they obviously intend to add subclasses
olive ember
not pipe hell
stuck sinew
Why yes I will build the pipe along the vines hanging from the ceiling in fungus bogs
leaden thunder
the inbuilt urge of every engineer and driller to make the pipes as wierd as they can
ornate hamlet
imo the subclasses are going to be as disappointing as talent trees have been thus far
there will be extremely minor variations that don't really change the class that much probably
nothing like what ppl hope for i bet
olive ember
We'll see when they come out i suppose
but yeah I don't particularly have many expectations
ornate hamlet
it's hard to even get my hopes up based on everything i've seen from fatshark so far
olive ember
I just hope that the "flash" mission type is something more substantial and fun than "unannounced FOMO like mission types"
and that I get my force greatsword
ornate hamlet
the gameplay is fun, don't get me wrong, but the classes are .. yuck
psyker is the only class i enjoy playing and it's not even really that much different than other classes gameplay wise
honestly, it's just access to a few different weapons
the weapons themselves are what really make the classes
ornate hamlet
basically yeah
olive ember
so what class is a shield ogryn then
ornate hamlet
the talents barely change the class mechanics, they're basically just buffs
stuck sinew
so what class is a shield ogryn then
Special needs
ornate hamlet
so what class is a shield ogryn then
well, not gun lugger
ogryn have a 20% damage reduction modifier btw
their coherency range is 50% larger
and they have a 25% revive and assist speed buff compared to other classes, by default
they also do 20% more damage to suppressed enemies
the only subclass we know about is "gun lugger" which may or may not be called that on release
long wharf
we actually don't know about any subclasses
ornate hamlet
we can only speculate based on datamines
long wharf
we can see content that is unfinished in the game files
ornate hamlet
psyker might get protectorate and biomancer, but it's just speculation
olive ember
i heard someone talking about a psyker subclass designated as "meat"
the "meat" psyker
long wharf
no clue if it was abandoned or concepts for future subclasses
ornate hamlet
that's probably biomancer
long wharf
the psyker we have right now is called "biomancer" in the game files
olive ember
is it?
ornate hamlet
shrug
olive ember
ngl don't see how psykinetic is considered a biomancer kek
ornate hamlet
we might get "psyker throwing knives" btw
like throwing them with telekinesis
or some shit
olive ember
I mean
ornate hamlet
yeh
ornate hamlet
it'll be cool even if it isn't amazing dps
long wharf
doesn't matter what you consider anything, the current psyker's weapons, feats, blessings, they all have "biomancer" in the name somewhere, somehow
I'm not saying that's proper or "right", just the way it is
olive ember
oh yeah ik
long wharf
the "gun lugger" ogryn, I dunno
it seems to me that that's exactly what the stubber is
I really think those are leftovers from before FartShart realized they had no way of delivering on "no classes, just roles defined by gear"
as it's far more likely to be abandoned work than prototyped work, given the delays and what was ultimately delivered on release
olive ember
I just hope the next update brings warp flurry fixes kek
And new content
But who knows at this point
west fjord
Any suggestions should I swap unyielding to?
stuck sinew
So is bloodthirsty for next attack or is there a short active window
west fjord
5 Seconds I think
olive ember
5 seconds of free crit, specifically on the FS
I think it’s only next attack for any other weapon
stuck sinew
Sounds pretty good
leaden thunder
Any suggestions should I swap unyielding to?
might keep unyielding an dswap unarmored to maniac
either way maniac is a good shot
sharp ibex
Oi brain wizards, Purgatus users with a scoreboard, does the purg tend to rack up weakspot damage for you?
sharp ibex
I don't know
long wharf
Oi brain wizards, Purgatus users with a scoreboard, does the purg tend to rack u...
why would it?
sharp ibex
Do I
sharp ibex
Just trying to figure out the scoreboard from that guy on reddit that was using a snowmachine staff
Very few crits, lots of weakspots
long wharf
snowmachine staff, love it
olive ember
He running nexus?
sharp ibex
No information, the quote is literally: "he did a lot of this white fog/ snow type of crowd damage, and some type of long sword I think."
olive ember
Oh that Reddit post
Yeah it’s a psyker who carried damnation match using purge staff
sharp ibex
Was just wondering about what would cause all the weakspot damage, but very little crits
olive ember
I mean if he was carrying prob had to BB a lot of elites/specials
And even just normal shooters
If the rest of the team was bad
Idk about the little crits tho
Could be just unoptimal purge staff but
Idk what else could be described as “white fog/snow”
sharp ibex
Just thought it was quite an odd ratio
I suppose it could be chalked up to a fuckton of BB
olive ember
Lots of BB it seems tbh
viral solstice
so a bunch of that could be swording too
yeah look at that overkill damage
actually
u know what
that looks more like voidstrike
lmao
sharp ibex
Well, this is what we were trying to figure out
olive ember
Idk the OP said white fog/snow
sharp ibex
But his description was fog/snow
viral solstice
yeah but u can do voidstrike with ascendant blaze
toxic relic
I'm telling you, Psyker was using a shotgun
olive ember
Void is flat 5% crit chance
toxic relic
Shotgun==snow
olive ember
With nexus and 5% crit it’s a 20% crit
viral solstice
void doesnt crit unless u build crit
tho u woulda thought more than 37
so maybe its purgatus with... kinetic overload
and just a shitload of gunner elites
who knows
olive ember
I feel like purge would crit more tho tbh
viral solstice
it is a mystery
sharp ibex
Like, with the damage numbers, and not a LOT of crowd kills, but a lot of elite/specials, is the BB damage skewing it
viral solstice
o yea u right
olive ember
Trauma staff?
viral solstice
how long was that game anyway
olive ember
I honestly think they were just mostly BB’ing tbh
Look at the elite/special/disabler kill count
sharp ibex
BB doesn't crit then I take it
olive ember
Just lots of BB + melee
wide tiger
BB doesnt crit
toxic relic
Yeah, but melee would crit more than 37 times
wide tiger
and yeah, BB + melee will get you big numbers, especialy if your team lacks in horde clear
sharp ibex
Must be a kinetic barrage BB hero
wide tiger
yeah
with the cooldown aura
to spam barrage
and then wrack and ruin to pad numbers maybe, idk
olive ember
What about the 8k stagger
wide tiger
you can stagger melee np
olive ember
Does that clue us in on anything?
wide tiger
force push
olive ember
Well yes but it’s 4x the stagger of everyone else
wide tiger
or whatever, push on force sword
olive ember
🤔 maybe
wide tiger
cause hes probably weaving push in on force sword or something
with slaughterer, big staggers
sharp ibex
If it's a 'longsword' from the description
leaden thunder
so probably a force sword
sharp ibex
Man why isn't this guy in chat
olive ember
Probably FS
wide tiger
The scoreboard mod isnt infallable
sharp ibex
It's mostly accurate with values like that though
But anyway guys, BB damage falls on after heresy don't you know, literally unplayable
long wharf
BB doesn't crit, but it is a weakspot hit
sharp ibex
Ye
round jay
Sadly it not enough to kill specials after heresy
long wharf
looks like a rough estimate of, say, 7%
olive ember
wide tiger
Vets do more anyways :p
olive ember
We are thinking either purge staff or voidstrike with AB based on description
Along with a FS
wide tiger
white fog/snow is purg fo sho
long wharf
purge doesn't explain the weakspots, but void does
olive ember
But the crits don’t match with the purge but idk
long wharf
yeah, void + AB
limpid lily
ok um, there's this psyker dude who called me a bitch out of nowhere at the start of the round, went and bypassed the plague tree scanning phase and just let the other 3 do all the work while he's at the extract...apparently it's a psyker thing, u guys aware of this in this mission?
the hapy guy
long wharf
not a psyker thing, just a douche player thing
sharp ibex
Gold mask
limpid lily
no i mean
sharp ibex
confirmed douche
limpid lily
psyker exploit?
long wharf
no exploit, just a douche player thing
limpid lily
i mena the guy literally just bypassed the whole scanning phase to let the rest do all the work, shouldnt be able to do that xD
has to be some exploit
long wharf
how would you even bypass the tree scanning area?
limpid lily
i have no idea
long wharf
the mission script wouldn't even progress
limpid lily
dude was there the even be4 the door's open
wide tiger
then idk
long wharf
I wonder if you can extract if the mission progression hasn't gotten there yet
limpid lily
im pretty sure the valkyrie is still at the end
limpid lily
I mean he couldnt extract ofc, he was just there, waiting for the rest of us
dude said "it's a psyker thing" so idk xD
limpid lily
first I've seen today, ever
olive ember
And yeah
Could be a mod or shitty map design that lets him clip through something
But def not a psyker thing
limpid lily
ig so, who knows
could be some kind of exploit that's doable only with psyker idk
but yeah
he did SOMETHING
wide tiger
dont think so
long wharf
nah
wide tiger
its just a douchey thing to say "its a psyker thing" aka im using a mod that breaks something
and im a psyker
long wharf
I can't imagine psyker being specific to his hack
limpid lily
guys, im not talking about this as a "stereotype" or anything xD
wide tiger
yeah im saying its not a psyker thing, its a modification thing lol
long wharf
end of story
sharp ibex
Guys psykers with gold masks are jerks
long wharf
what he did was get away with not being kicked from the game by everyone else
sharp ibex
I'm gonna call everyone at the start of my missions a bitch and just nope out to the exit
sharp ibex
what he did was get away with not being kicked from the game by everyone else
truu
He was right
You were a bitch
Based goldmask
limpid lily
yeah idk about the other 2, at like the 2nd scanning phase I saw his name far away, thought he's in the other side of the plague tree...turned out he's at the ext the whole time
wide tiger
yeah i definitely woulda kicked him if he was forcing me to 3 man the whole level
limpid lily
no one really cared apparently idk
wide tiger
are you saying he just bypassed the final event? like he made it through that door?
long wharf
striketeam cuck
wide tiger
probably a clipping thing
limpid lily
yeah probably
sharp ibex
Muties can still throw through some doors
uneven drift
Not only doors tho.
long wharf
I bet it's just a mod-based hack
limpid lily
yes but we didnt have any muties at the end haha
i gotta wonder tho, this whole "gold mask psykers are assholes" actually legit xD?
I mean this particular one that I encountered certainly was one.
sharp ibex
i gotta wonder tho, this whole "gold mask psykers are assholes" actually legit x...
Of course it is
I said it
I am trustworthy
limpid lily
hm yes, fuhsure
sharp ibex
Here's a statistick
limpid lily
nice
leaden thunder
it's p true
limpid lily
I shall now be moderately apprehensive about goldmask psykers
perhaps, slightly more than moderately
wide tiger
I love watching pub vets fight bulwarks for 5 minutes with their power swords, not even attempting to wait for an opening, just banging away at that shield
like lemmings
lavish forge
I love watching pub vets fight bulwarks for 5 minutes with their power swords, n...
Imagine not running regenerating grenades to just knock them on their ass
wide tiger
or just attacking when they drop their shield lol
lavish forge
nah you cant rely on that. hitboxes on shields are FUCKED
wide tiger
when they overhead swing it leaves a huge opening for a psword swing
never had an issue with hitboxes on it
lavish forge
they can have their shields at their sides I can press F to shoot them in the head and it does nothing
really? everyone I talk to says the hitboxes are fucked
your just lucky or straight up downt notice
wide tiger
sometimes with guns i get that but not usually with melee
wide tiger
wait for them to attack -> dodge left, attack
lavish forge
while theya re mid swing and drop their shield I overhead with my axe and somehow hit the shield
its super common
limpid lily
if psyker gets bolter, do you guys think it'd be a good pick for gun psyker?
limpid lily
well, it'll be fun for sure, but kinda...counter-productive on psyker if u think bout it
forest coral
if psyker gets bolter, do you guys think it'd be a good pick for gun psyker?
It would be broken as fuck, especially if they ran ascendant blaze
limpid lily
It would be broken as fuck, especially if they ran ascendant blaze
what's that again hm
forest coral
When u set stuff on fire with warp stacks and yelling
gilded viper
Kb feel more better on gun build
forest coral
Aight bolter will wreck literally unyielding, carapace, flak etc but it struggles clearing shooters when spread out n what not, with or without warp stacks or other buffs
Ascendant blaze is like, lol horde or lol shooter gang button
6 stacks will solo clear entire pox or shooter horde with a single f use
Now u got best of both worlds
limpid lily
true, that is if ur able to get stacks and keep the stacks through out
ornate hamlet
Here's a statistick
change it to say "noobs" and it's accurate
forest coral
Also if there’s another purg staff user in ur party
They literally make ur warp stacks for u
See where I’m going with this
limpid lily
icic, synergy is one thing yes
twilit flicker
I feel like bolter on its own is very good, better than BB for high armour targets. Any ranged weapons for psyker can can deal with high armour? ... trauma?
limpid lily
but if ur alone, having to build your own stacks, I have a feeling having to use your brainburst with the bolter's pullout speed would be pretty painful
albeit, still doable, but painful
forest coral
Well yeah, it’s just bolter things but it’s really not that awful to do
Especially if u run a high mobility weapon like ds or knife to go with it
Although in this case I’d most likely use something with decent hordeclear
limpid lily
tho I wonder, does bolter's small AoE work with the 10% brainburst chance feat xD
when I play gun psyker, I use my 3-burst headhunter a lot, I get plenty of warp charges from that with eh 10% brainburst bc it shoots fast, bolter would probably be rough on that department
IF the AoE on it doesnt apply
ornate hamlet
tho I wonder, does bolter's small AoE work with the 10% brainburst chance feat x...
the 10% brainburst feat is almost always wasted on horde
it's crap
big fat crapoly on everything except for monstrosity and the rare situations where there's no horde but there's a crusher or something, which is when it's nice
limpid lily
well, it's mostly for not having to switch to my brainburst handies all the time for stacks
and meleeing
for stacks
twilit flicker
It's annoying when you have a force sword with bloodthirsty, you need the kill for it to work but kinetic flayer takes it away.
It's not too bad though, just charge up another!
ornate hamlet
for stacks
sibling,
4% to gain a warp charge anytime you or any ally in coherency kills an enemy (no cooldown)
is far greater than a 10% proc on a 15s cd
limpid lily
sibling,
4% to gain a warp charge anytime you or any ally in coherency kills an...
no doubt but I like running cerebral lacerations xD
ornate hamlet
while you can use both, kinetic overload is nice for soulblaze because enemies killed by soulblaze also give a warp charge
limpid lily
for some reason whenever I use that feat I BARELY get stacks even next to my team...maybe im j7ust unlucky
I use the quick brainburst and the Wrack/RUin
ornate hamlet
i get them all the time, and it's worth pointing out that you can get them if killing enemies using something like an axe as well if you use psychic communion
which, in turn, gives you toughness regen as well
limpid lily
aye, tho gotta rely on chances sometimes can be annoying
ornate hamlet
technically, you could gain two warp charges from killing 1 enemy with soulblaze
wet jacinth
Funny blue fire
ornate hamlet
because psychic communion and ascendant blaze
long wharf
while you *can* use both, kinetic overload is nice for soulblaze because enemies...
enemies don't have to be killed by the soulblaze
limpid lily
the 10% is also chance but at least I dont have to rely on my team and I can just shoot my gun and let it do it automatically
long wharf
enemies that die while soulblazed proc AB for all psykers with AB
ornate hamlet
k, well good
limpid lily
yknow I still kinda dunno how AB works
ornate hamlet
anyway, you can gain two warp charges if you or any ally kills an enemy that has soulblaze on it i guess
limpid lily
like, do you get a CHANCE of getting stack when the enemy dies from soulblaze
limpid lily
ah ic
ornate hamlet
i'm very satisfied with this build, the only thing about it is that most psykers will argue that "mind in motion" isn't worth it and you should get kinetic shield or kinetic deflection instead.
i personally prefer mind in motion, despite all the meta parrots
limpid lily
im feeling loopy rn augh
wet jacinth
i'm very satisfied with this build, the only thing about it is that **most** psy...
Same ngl. With the passive quell fix.
ornate hamlet
i just don't need kinetic deflection or kinetic shield personally.
if you play really well, you never actually have to block unless reviving
wet jacinth
Ultimately I just push over blocking unless it's specific enemy attacks
But then again. dodge
ornate hamlet
if i fuck up and get caught by shotgunners by surprise, or a bunch of ranged, yeah i get fucked up, but 10%-33% based on peril doesn't actually help that much tbh
wet jacinth
Block to me just a last resort if I fucked up and can't dodge
ornate hamlet
imo kinetic deflection is far more useful than kinetic shield, but i still prefer mind in motion myself
most ppl would argue that kinetic deflection is best choice
i use purg+axe btw
forest coral
Kinetic deflection is just very good if u like to push block attack a lot
It makes it extremely safe to spam it
wet jacinth
That's if you actually use blocks
forest coral
I like it cause it lets me 1v x things comfortably in melee but eh
leaden thunder
thats kinda the kicker with kinetic deflection
wet jacinth
Otherwise you should always have stamina for push/push attacks
ornate hamlet
but yeah, with that build i'm getting warp charges all the time, which is in return charging my toughness almost all the time
i am always in coherency with at least 1 ally
ornate hamlet
i try to maintain coherency with more than 1, but ppl split up a lot
i use 3x toughness regen as well, so
wet jacinth
i *try* to maintain coherency with more than 1, but ppl split up a lot
The other thing is the mind motion helps you maintain it by being able to keep up a little bit rather than becoming a turtle while quelling
ornate hamlet
the primary reason i'm always maintaining coherency is for the toughness regen, but it also helps me get warp charges faster, and it is buffing allies in coherency with me of course
ornate hamlet
The other thing is the mind motion helps you maintain it by being able to keep u...
correct
limpid lily
guys, if you block with FS without Deflector, using Kinetic Deflection, it doesnt block ranged using peril right xD?
just curious
wet jacinth
No
limpid lily
ah, figures
ornate hamlet
without mind in motion, it's harder to keep up with the damn zealots and ogryn rushing around
near gale
guys, if you block with FS without Deflector, using Kinetic Deflection, it doesn...
If it's the one that generates peril? Yes, with deflector*
wet jacinth
You NEED Deflector to block ranged
ornate hamlet
yeh, it's a great feat don't get me wrong
ornate hamlet
but i personally just play smart anyway, i simply don't need it
limpid lily
oof almsot had me there
ornate hamlet
if you don't know where all the shotgunners are likely to spawn, you probably should use it
wet jacinth
With kinetic deflection. Deflector makes ranged attacks generate peril yes.
Just don't trust it to block a sniper/shotgun
ornate hamlet
i mean, it'll help tho
near wyvern
without mind in motion, it's harder to keep up with the damn zealots and ogryn r...
Try the combat blade with a +3 stamina curio
wet jacinth
Shotguns maybe
near gale
Just don't trust it to block a sniper/shotgun
not without like +6 stamina, for a shotgun... >.>'
ornate hamlet
yeah shotgunners
wet jacinth
Snipers are just like. "Parry this casual"
ornate hamlet
on sniper you need to learn your slide/dodge timing
near wyvern
Fuck shotgunners
ornate hamlet
shotgunners you cannot predict when they're going to shoot
near gale
Snipers are just like. "Parry this casual"
Meanwhile toughness dr vets with sniper resist just shrug it off.
near wyvern
And fuck ranged units who refuse to swap to melee
ornate hamlet
you have to just outsmart shotgunners, don't get caught by surprise by 2+
or you're done
wet jacinth
on sniper you need to learn your slide/dodge timing
Dodging so much. I dodge snipers on accident.
near gale
Yeah ^
ornate hamlet
i dodge snipers fairly easily, assuming i'm not out of dodges
wet jacinth
I literally only die to a sniper if a ogryn blocks my line of sight of one and its targeting him. But he dodges making the shot hit me
near gale
I get hit by a sniper when I dodge into an obstacle or am squashed in a dense horde
wet jacinth
a sniper shot can hit more than 1 player i think
I wanna say that can happen. But yeah idk
ornate hamlet
sniper never hit me unless they hacking and shooting us through walls
near gale
it can
Someone said a sniper capped 3 teammates in 1 shot, in one of their games. I hadn't had this happen, but, I believe it
ornate hamlet
when sniper bugs out and is shooting ppl through walls, there's no audio indicator before he shoots at all, and you cannot see who he is aiming at either, there's no laser
it's fucked up
wipes groups sometimes
ppl just start dropping and they're like "dude wtf was that"
it's fuckin dumb, only happens on certain missions tho
near gale
ppl just start dropping and they're like "dude wtf was that"
Well when you see all toughness break and then massive hp damage, that's at least one indicator to get tf out of there asap... but yeah it's bs
ornate hamlet
i mean usually ppl see someone go down and go over to help, only to instantly go down themselves with no warning or anything and they're like "???????"
forest coral
My fav is when they step out of a door 5 m behind u when u walked past it
And after they shoot u u stare at each other for like 2 awkward seconds
near gale
xD
near wyvern
My favourite is the sniper 360 no scoping me, then I ping it for my team and all of them come to the rescue one by one but no one deals with the tagged sniper
forest coral
It’s like “really my dude?”
near gale
And after they shoot u u stare at each other for like 2 awkward seconds
What about when your teammates go to heal after a double poxburster spawns sound, but, you hang back cause you heard it... only for both to jump out and burst the teammates that just healed
forest coral
My favourite
near gale
I know that bs so when I hear it spawn, specifically on the map I have seen it happen on, I just hang back and wait.
I mean there's a door in the room with the medistation
wet jacinth
My favourite is the sniper 360 no scoping me, then I ping it for my team and all...
This hurts more when you have a vet teammate
wide tiger
I really wish they'd buff kinetic overload
wet jacinth
Or a psyker
hard oyster
a sniper shot can hit more than 1 player i think
There's a video of a sniper hitting 3 with one shot lol
ornate hamlet
yeah i figured it was possible
wet jacinth
I really wish they'd buff kinetic overload
I mean. Everyone either uses battery or flayer
hard oyster
I like flayer so I don't have to pay swap off staff, and also, melee popping a BB feels good
rare furnace
Is duallers sword better than the claw sword?
feral verge
nah i've heard claw sword is pretty shit
leaden thunder
it's
feral verge
i like duelling swords
leaden thunder
more or less the best hoardclear melee for psyker
feral verge
especially iv
wet jacinth
nah i've heard claw sword is pretty shit
As I said. "PLAYER PREFERENCE"
rare furnace
I got a good base stats duel🤺 rn I’m gonna use it now first time, any good combos pattern
wet jacinth
Claw sword is solid. But it doesn't out shine anything either
Doesn't mean it is bad
wet jacinth
Dueling sword as well is like a Dagger but not
leaden thunder
I have no opinions on the dueling sword tbh
rare furnace
I mean on psyker I’m using my ultra crit stuff most the time on damnation and always win I just wanna try the sword for fun tbh
wet jacinth
Dueling sword shows if you just hit bodies or actively try to hit heads
feral verge
.
rare furnace
I have a question for min maxing blessings
rare furnace
If I buy a 305 to upgrade it for cheaper than a 350 just for blessing chance is it worth?
feral verge
it is player preference, but the sword is not optimal for horde clear
leaden thunder
there is a theory that higher rating means better blessings
feral verge
and gets outperformed by the force sword
leaden thunder
but idk if it's confirmed
rare furnace
BecUse I’ve only gotten max 2-3 blessings level 4 must be very hard
leaden thunder
it is player preference, but the sword is not optimal for horde clear
I mean
the claw sword
is only for hoard clear
rare furnace
there is a theory that higher rating means better blessings
Yeah that’s what I started to notice like my 313 gave max 3
leaden thunder
rare furnace
I’m on my 5th weapon to blue
viral solstice
ye i mean in practice the amount of hitbox manipulation u need to do to make force sword clear a horde is going to make it a wash
but devil claw is not a very strong anti-horde weapon
relatively speaking
viral solstice
and thats partly blessings too
viral solstice
i mean its just like
the claw heavy cleave is exactly the same as HS IX cleave heavy
except HS IX has 50% rampage instead of 40% and 75% power from headtaker
but vicious slice i think would make some difference
if u get a cleave blessing with vicious slice u could be getting like idk 100% value on target 10
leaden thunder
I have been testing mine on zealot with shred and dstrike
leaden thunder
actually kind of works
viral solstice
yeah i mean its going to right
leaden thunder
still is just worse then the hsword
viral solstice
yea
and thats the thing really if psyker had some like
inherent synergy with crits or finesse weapons
but...
theres also a lot of misinformaiton out there about the parry
anybody who tries this with creature spawner will find out but
leaden thunder
viral solstice
mashing parry vs a rager
leaden thunder
enlighten me
viral solstice
there is no timing
thats the irony
parry is just a special block
to the point where when u activate parry
it literally just uses the block code with a few switches
for the parry case
leaden thunder
I need to get a better shred on mine
viral solstice
but u can always tell somebody who doesnt use the parry
by them saying stuff like "it makes u completely safe vs ragers"
but yeah its broadly those double handed like
wild backhands?
those are the ones to avoid
leaden thunder
i need to test if jsut pressing parry removed shred stacks
aw
it seems to
is the mk iv your prefered claw?
that one seemed to have the overall best cleave values
viral solstice
yep
it does
shred that is
well its not pressing it that removes it weirdly
its getting hit with it active
leaden thunder
it seemed to remove it jsut on press for me
viral solstice
but yes with 3 shred stacks activating and getting hit drops me to 1/0
leaden thunder
I had to attack afterward for it to update the stack values
as far as Ican tell the actual press of the parry doesn't remove them but if you attack afterwards then you start again from 0
viral solstice
but yea it certainly doesnt stack and drops me away from 5
but thats to be expected really
cos
shred
viral solstice
i mean
leaden thunder
leaden thunder
fair enough
viral solstice
i made a claw for aesthetics
like 69% cleave targets and the crit crit damage combo
to round out the look
u know what ii mean
leaden thunder
I saw a t4 skullcrusher
t4 thunderstrike
and t4 hammerblow
on claws yesterday
all on different ones
if I had like way more melkbux I would bought them all
viral solstice
:ndoders
i was gonna get t4 shred but then i realised i cant use it
i think t4 skullcrusher is a lil bit valuetown for a psyker at least
because it applies on ur dots
viral solstice
dude its so inconsistent with ragers
it makes me mald
theres something
im not getting
like i know some of whats going on
but theres something else
leaden thunder
does getting hit again while in the parry knock you out of it?
leaden thunder
some of the swings of the rager are with both hands aren't they