psyker-class

[hybrid solstice]

Three 20% hp curios currently

[still hearth]

I've literally

[hybrid solstice]

toughness regen

[still hearth]

Ahd that exact situation

In the same spot

There's something fucky about that place

"Sniper!"

-see no laser-

BAM

[hybrid solstice]

Anything after that is a bomis but enough sniper res to stop oneshots is nice

[lunar hollow]

the desert maps are cursed

i refuse to play them

[cyan notch]

yea they are absolutely shit rn

[lunar hollow]

and they give like fuck all for mats whenever i play them

[cyan notch]

relay station has prebuff mats so u get like 250 plasteel refinery and excise vault are long as fuck

[lunar hollow]

yeah

[elder rain]

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[cyan notch]

probably flak

[elder rain]

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[river sand]

best you can do with purg is lay it aside and grab a void or trauma 😉

[clear hamlet]

Just grab a gun

[proven widget]

I like purg staff though

[clear hamlet]

If melk doesn't bring a staff tonight I'm going full gun psyker

I do want a nice laspistol tho

And a fs

[elder rain]

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[formal flume]

Become one with the warp flame and annoy all your teammates as you destroy hordes

[viral solstice]

das tru

trauma is the only way to give ur team emotional damage

the psyker way

[clear hamlet]

Went into damnation with a headhunter and an antax and I somehow was not a burden

[frail berry]

what is the headhunter stat priority? Preferred model?

[leaden thunder]

damage and stopping power maxed if it has those 2 stats

and any of them is good except maybe the agripina

but imo it's mostly preference which one you pick

[clear hamlet]

I got an agripinaa as an emperor's blessing and it had good perks and blessings so I kept it

[frail berry]

nice, what blesssings should I be looking to nab from melk?

[leaden thunder]

depends on the version

the vraks burst likes crits

the semi auto one like opening salvo

and the agripina I think likes no respite

[frail berry]

Deadly accurate any good?

[leaden thunder]

I use it

but idk how actually good it is

[frail berry]

roger that, ony other IV I have today was Rampage on MK II sword, worth 2335 melkbucks?

oo, or IV devistrating strike on claw sword

[near wyvern]

Depends on the weapon but in general no. +Critical damage does not increase your total hit damage when you crit, only the additional crit damage portion.

As an example, if you deal 100 damage regularly, 150 on a crit (=> crit damage is 50). With +10% crit damage your crit will deal 155 damage and not 165 which is the one you would expect.

[still hearth]

Also isn't it on weakspot crits

So its also super niche

[frail berry]

Roger that ty team!

How about rampage on duel sword?

[still hearth]

It's the only damage boost it gets iirc

Shred + Rampage is probably ideal for most uses

[near wyvern]

Yes

[viral solstice]

btw voidstrike is the best anti-special disabler staff

i will not be taking questions at this time

[still hearth]

Mutant says hi

[viral solstice]

one shot mutant (on stairs)

next question

[still hearth]

What did he mean by this

[viral solstice]

[still hearth]

That wasn't a question, either.

Smh

[viral solstice]

wrong

[still hearth]

This is a question?

[viral solstice]

all statements are partially questions probabilistically

no

thats not a question

thats a post by Vanessa (800842069)

if it was a question it would have question signs like this

[still hearth]

Haha you said boob 420 69

[viral solstice]

!!!!!!!!!

boob

[clear hamlet]

The usage of the word femboy in this channel is disappointingly low

[idle bay]

Well it's not a Vatican channel you know

[idle bay]

Emperor /Omnissia + Void Dragon is eternal, while Slaaneshi things are temporary.

[clear hamlet]

I'll take temporary degeneracy thank you very much

[idle bay]

I choose toasters other it.

[near wyvern]

What in the Emperor's name is going on in the vet channel?

[idle bay]

Don't look or even mindwipe will save you - it will forever taint your soul!

[clear hamlet]

Taint

[idle bay]

Mods are not daring to thread there anymore

[near wyvern]

I guess they need a Purge

[clear hamlet]

I'll hump your toaster

[idle bay]

That's the spirit! 🙂

[lament glen]

Absolutely hilarious

I knew there was a reason I loved vet mains

[clear hamlet]

In my head vet mains would be more into tomboys but I guess I was proven wrong

[robust badge]

Buy or no buy for the blessing?

[leaden thunder]

no

[feral verge]

id save the money for a staff

[leaden thunder]

sustained fire isn't very good anyway

[wide tiger]

yeah sustained fire is garbage

its literally the second and third shot

i thought it was a ramping up buff similar to blaze away

noooosir

[leaden thunder]

also it only adds 15% of the weapons base damage

so crit and weakspots still only get the crappy increase

[wide tiger]

I wish theyd make it so

once you get to the third shot

its just 30% damage as long as you keep firing

[robust badge]

gotcha, thx

[near wyvern]

You mean they are very... Femiliar?

[wide tiger]

I want this to be good, but its so sad:

[near wyvern]

Can the heavies even one shot anything?

[wide tiger]

heavies can oneshot unarmored trash

did you know the light attacks do literally 0 damage to crushers

[frail berry]

Do all the dueling sword makes share the same blessings? Ie if I strip one from mk2, available on mk4,5,etc…?

[wide tiger]

dont even show numbers

fun stuff

[wide tiger]

yes

[near wyvern]

Yes

[wide tiger]

fun stuff

also crits still go right through and waste the rev up

its like

fatshark found the way to make devastating strike the absolute fucking worst blessing possible

[restive talon]

what are BiS perks for this?

not really familiar with FS

[wide tiger]

keep maniac reroll weak spot damage

[restive talon]

to carapace?

[wide tiger]

If you want, i guess. I find you get more mileage out of something like flak or unarmoured, but if you're trying to special crushers, sure

[viral solstice]

i mean

maulers 2

now u might say

but u one shot them anyway

BUT

[wide tiger]

maulers are food for FS regardless

[viral solstice]

what if u one shot them... more

many ppl are saying this

thonking about it i wonder if it lets u do something goofy with the carapace section on bulwarks and reapers

to the science mobile

[restive talon]

ok thnx

[viral solstice]

lmao

yep with my fs

hitting the carapace armlet

does more damasge than hitting the unyielding head

incredibile

god damn

ok yeah to one shot a reaper hit the flak part jeez

yeah damn thats a huge diff

if i crit the carapace shoulder on a reaper it one shots him

so yeah no matter what rolls u have on ur fs u always want to hit flak

hitting head is a booby trap

[restive talon]

need a mini hadron in the psykhanium

[shut ether]

Are you Pleased, Varlet?

[idle bay]

There is a channel for mod makers - you can post request there and hope that it will be done 🙂

Also idea - a mod that adds compliment "Good Varlet!" from Hadron during a mission when you press a hotkey for it. Yes it's dopamine burst on a whim for ya 🙂

[clear hamlet]

I need that as an alarm clock sound

Maybe then I'd actually wake up

[shut ether]

I'd rather be berated

Motivate me a lil

[idle bay]

This will do?

[wide tiger]

When you have 100% rending, and you hit carapace, if you have a 25% extra damage to carapace, do you still do extra 25% damage?

[pale crescent]

whats the preferred dueling sword?

[feral verge]

my go to is mk4

afaik its the best horde clear one

the mk5 is the best single target afaik

and again, afaik mk2 is the meh middle ground of the two

[shut ether]

I thought I read somewhere that it reduces their armor in a way that you no longer benefit from that bonus but may need confirmation.

[feral verge]

this is mine. i really like it

[hybrid solstice]

I'd say flak, carapace, or unarmored

[pale crescent]

Emp gift this one and its been ok for light attack spam

[hybrid solstice]

Mk2 has the best "cleave" for a dueling sword (if i recall correctly), mk V has the furthest dodge distance of any melee weapon

[pale crescent]

ive got these to upgrade later

[hybrid solstice]

Nice

[feral verge]

nice

[hybrid solstice]

honestly wish there were just a bullet point list of which marks do what differently for all the weapons

[feral verge]

i have 300 hours

[hybrid solstice]

it's hard to keep track

[feral verge]

have yet to see a 380

[hybrid solstice]

Highest i have seen is like 378 i think

[feral verge]

379 is my highest

also, mk4 dueling sword has the best drip by far

[pale crescent]

I used to camp the store with an extension

but i have a life now

i prefer the look of the 2 myself tassles are silly

[clear hamlet]

"oh a 378 brick that's nice"

[feral verge]

excuse me

can we ban this guy

i dont like him anymore

the tassle is the best part

[idle bay]

Both store and Sour Milk started to spew out 370+ quite often now.

[pale crescent]

If it were like 300 years ago we could duel for it with goofy swords and drink afterword

[shut ether]

What are you gonna tickle your taint with without the tassle?

[viral solstice]

its funny

but force sword horde clear

is actually comparable to a devil claw

[pale crescent]

probably plumes/feather hats

[viral solstice]

thats how bad devil claws are

dam

[shut ether]

Antaxe is unmatched tbh

[clear hamlet]

Wax bullet dueling pistols my man

[idle bay]

Hugging a Cleaver Ogryn in the team is best Anti-horde

[pale crescent]

lead is soft enough to legally be considered wax right?

[feral verge]

trauma staff pointed directly at your feet is also best antihorde

i have waded through hordes like that

to get to teamates

[idle bay]

Nothing in melee weapons department can outperfome anti-horde cleaning power of Cleaver Ogryn. And you saying about ranged

Well... proper use of cleave-maximized Power sword theoretically can with a proper 3-forward-step-technique you can destroy Horde in 4 swings. But you don't see average Vet doing it like ever!

While average Cleaver Ogryn just need spam LBM for same result 🙂

[viral solstice]

the best horde clear is the horde clear reading this post

[feral verge]

d-do you realy m-mean that...

[viral solstice]

yiss

[feral verge]

😳

[idle bay]

dies from wholesomeness overdose

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Z51ywjuYPT5jO/d1337Iiurafw

also just various little memes

crit on carapace bracelet with blazing one shots a reaper

flak chest is always better to hit than head

[shut ether]

Siblings. Wish me luck

[idle bay]

Short prayer to Omnissia will not hurt for sure.

It's like slapping a TV remote

[idle plover]

What kind of blessings and perks should I look for on the Lighting staffs?

[elder rain]

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[full egret]

Are they ever going to fix the aim jank for staff projectiles?

[hybrid solstice]

Someday™

meanwhile

Brain Burst

heh

[wet jacinth]

the re-rolled stat was originally +1 stamina

low tier blessings too

kekL

[hybrid solstice]

zamn

[lethal lagoon]

Nexus. Second blessing doesn't matter. Warp Flurry is still bugged I think.

For Perks, Crit chance and then whatever your perference. I like to double down and get flak damage.

[hoary hearth]

Should I put warp flurry 3 or warp nexus 4 on this?

[lethal lagoon]

warp nexus 4 is what I'd do.

[wet jacinth]

nono

[lethal lagoon]

I think they fixed warp flurry on purg though? Might as well test both.

[wet jacinth]

SPRINTING AND CAN'T BE INTERUPTED kekw

as meme as it is

[hybrid solstice]

Can you put crit fire dots on enemies?

[wet jacinth]

that applies 2 stacks

[lethal lagoon]

Crit adds 2 stacks

[hybrid solstice]

Ah

[hoary hearth]

i don't think it matters, doesn't crit just puts 2 stacks instead of 1?

[hybrid solstice]

noice

[lethal lagoon]

"Just"

[lunar hollow]

why is psyker fun

[leaden thunder]

stacks aren't linear

[lunar hollow]

i feel heretical for enjoying it this much

[wet jacinth]

just.... lol

[lethal lagoon]

"Just"

[lunar hollow]

big E gave me this

[hybrid solstice]

psyker is pretty fun since you can treat various armor types pretty irreverently depending

[wet jacinth]

funny blue fire

[lunar hollow]

true

[lethal lagoon]

Those perks are terrible, but blazing spirit and nexus is amusing.

combination

[hoary hearth]

What do you mean by that?

[lunar hollow]

psyker feels incredibly fragile but there also isnt an enemy in this game i cant handle

[leaden thunder]

2 stacks isn't double the burn damage

it's more

[lethal lagoon]

A couple of groaners silently spawn behind you and you get 1 shot. Psyker-gameplay(tm)

[wet jacinth]

more stacks = bigger damage numbers

[hoary hearth]

Don't they they just stack up really quickly untill you hit the stack cap?

[lunar hollow]

true

[dense ivy]

I wish the force sword didn't have the worst attack angles in the fucking game

[hoary hearth]

So it won't matter and they hit cap quicly

[dense ivy]

a

[wet jacinth]

seethe

[lunar hollow]

last game i played i had a scab shooter spawn a door i had my back to cuz i didnt hear, take all my toughness

i turn around and kill him

[dense ivy]

I'm fucking seething

[lunar hollow]

turn back to the enemy, and EIGHT MORE SPAWNED

[dense ivy]

And sneeding

[lethal lagoon]

the only viable way to use force sword is a macro to repeat the first attack over and over again

[lunar hollow]

and took all my health

[dense ivy]

Who taught this Psyker how to use a sword

[hybrid solstice]

Thing is with psyker you cant just safely click shooter heads like veteran can, you have to slowly pick them off with brainburst

[wet jacinth]

but I must feed the carpal tunnel gods

[lethal lagoon]

That's not really relevant, You can't spam the first attack without a macro

I mean you can, but it'll be pretty slow

[hoary hearth]

Or just get a deflector force sword

[wet jacinth]

or use a chain sword

[lethal lagoon]

Deflector is lame ever since they changed the rez ability

[wet jacinth]

I need to get my hands on a good chaxe though

I still haven't tried out the changed Heavy 1

[hoary hearth]

those don't exist

[wet jacinth]

[lunar hollow]

ive spent so much plasteel on dueling swords and this is the best i got

how terrible is it

[wet jacinth]

a MkIV

that's the one with double stabs for heavies aint it

[lunar hollow]

think so

i like it cuz the stabs actually have a slight vertical cleave

which is just funny

[hoary hearth]

I've got this bad boy

[lunar hollow]

god damn

[wet jacinth]

not 380

not god tier

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[lunar hollow]

i was going to get a mark V but i decided to start grinding force swords

biggest mistake of my life

[hoary hearth]

The only 380s I have on a psyker are guns

[lunar hollow]

if i get one more unstable power on a blue FS im gonna fucking kill

[wet jacinth]

Gunsyker it is

still waiting for when they give more force weapons though

[hoary hearth]

I want a psyker exclusive gun that shoots mind bullets

[wet jacinth]

a re-skinned staff

[hoary hearth]

No, I want to actually manifest bullets with my mind

[lunar hollow]

dueling sword is so funny to use with kinetic flayer

light attack a weakened crusher head and instantly disintegrate his brain

[wet jacinth]

it's funny when BB triggers flayer

making it a double BB

[lunar hollow]

that too

insult upon injury

[clear hamlet]

That's telekinesis Kyle

[lunar hollow]

is wrack and ruin worth a fuck

[hoary hearth]

I think technically bb triggering bb can go on infinetly

[lunar hollow]

i havent noticed it doing anything

[hoary hearth]

All perks with soulblaze suck except ascendant flame

[lunar hollow]

thats what i figured

[lethal lagoon]

two wrack and ruins kill all horde

So not bad

Including ranged horde. Get's most weaker elites pretty low

If you're a lazy cunt like me who likes to run surge, wrack and ruin is pretty nice.

[lunar hollow]

i run purgatus

i like the flames

[lethal lagoon]

I like not having to aim or think when I'm grinding mats.

[clear hamlet]

If melk doesn't bring a staff and brings a bis weapon fuck it I'm buying

[hoary hearth]

So are crits on purge worth it? doesn't everything just die in 3 seconds except crushers and bosses anyway?

[lunar hollow]

i think crits are

[clear hamlet]

Dumb drunk decisions

[lunar hollow]

esp if you get warp nexus

[lethal lagoon]

Nexus is my default for every staff.

[hoary hearth]

Don't they die anyway and it's just a difference between 0.5 and 0.6 sec

[wet jacinth]

uses common 380 staff

you can't stop me

[clear hamlet]

It can't brick if you don't consecrate it

https://tenor.com/view/hm-hmm-hmmm-black-guy-gif-12687265

[elder rain]

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[hoary hearth]

on a purge staff very

[elder rain]

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[hoary hearth]

I'll send you mine after I finish the mission

[elder rain]

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[hoary hearth]

And considering we have lv 17 on damnation might be pretty quick

[hard oyster]

Good luck Sibling

[elder rain]

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[clear hamlet]

I gave up on melk bringing staves

Now I want guns and a good fs

[wet jacinth]

Me wanting the Vasti hammerhand force sword skin

But not the camo on it

[rare furnace]

Any chance for recon las to become meta?

[wet jacinth]

[rare furnace]

[dense ivy]

I don't know why I expected anything else but

You can't just jump this gap here

[wet jacinth]

First time?

[dense ivy]

Even though you absolutely can make the jump mechanically it just auto ledges you as soon as you're over the gap

This game is such a mechanical step back from VT2

VT2 would only ledge you when you actually dropped over a ledge, below its height

And there's so many arbitrary ledges that won't actually kill you that hang over walkable areas too

[rare furnace]

Use barbell to explode

Always fun to work

[feral verge]

some guy got ledge hanged oof this ledge

i got downed trying to save him

this level is the worst offender

[dense ivy]

Yes

That's the exact one I was thinking of but can't remember the name of

It has so many death ledges that hang over areas that you can walk on

[spice veldt]

if that's Vigil Station Oblivium then I've wiped on the first section twice just because there's a stupid ledge as you turn left into the drop down

[dense ivy]

On a side note

Six warp charges let you hit some fun breakpoints with melee weapons

And with warp peril on coherency kill you're suboptimal but ok in melee if you use a good melee weapon

It's only a 6% change in damage but you can kill maniacs in one less hit with an antax and it hits some breakpoints on flak headshots for the dredge melee dudes to get brutal momentum started on the first hit with a heavy

You could just put vs flak on it, but this lets you swap that out for another stat essentially, so you can take vs carapace and vs maniacs for instance

[feral verge]

my trauma staff fucks hard

[dense ivy]

Also lets you hit bodies on trash mobs for a one hit if you have vs melee

[feral verge]

wish it had flak on it

[dense ivy]

Works fantastically well with brutal momentum

[feral verge]

empra has given me decent axes

but i dont use axes

[dense ivy]

Zealot is still objectively stronger in melee but it's like, functional if you get pressed into melee and can't use your staff

Does not really help force swords at all though because their base cleave is just too low and they still won't one shot without heavies

But six stacks does make the warp attack pretty strong I guess

[spice veldt]

force sword has 6 cleave on their heavies

[dense ivy]

in a line

A horizontal line

[spice veldt]

it's not a true horizontal, but the diagonal is good enough

[dense ivy]

This weapon would be so good if it didn't have such a bad attack pattern I swear to the Emperor

[spice veldt]

I prefer the light->heavy nature of this weapon because you get to the block/push cancel pretty fast

[feral verge]

force ssword needs to count kill with special as a BB

[spice veldt]

and with max slaughterer stacks, you can be balls deep into a horde with a light->heavy->push combo and be perfectly safe

the 2nd light is really the only egregious part of the attack combo

[feral verge]

i dislike the stab

[dense ivy]

Light 2 and 3 are both pretty bad

[feral verge]

that's the 3rd light i think

[dense ivy]

And heavy 1 is suboptimal

It's slow but not got enough base damage to headshot that many things

[spice veldt]

I like the 3rd light

basically a heavy without the massive startup for ramping up slaughterer stacks

esp against enemies with fast running attacks (bruisers) where any downtime means getting hit

[dense ivy]

It has no cleave though

[spice veldt]

yeah, but getting a kill is good nuff

[long wharf]

the whole warp charge design needs to change

[dense ivy]

I just, ugh

[long wharf]

we should be expending warp charges to do Cool Stuff(tm)

like BB

[spice veldt]

and if you use the 3rd light well, you can two-combo certain enemies with light->heavy->light

[dense ivy]

What if BB charged faster the more charges you had and charges were gained at a fixed rate

[long wharf]

that's not making warp charges a currency

[dense ivy]

Every 60 seconds you get a warp charge, each warp charge increases your charge speed by 10%

[long wharf]

right now, there's only one reason to pay attention to how many warp charges you have, and that's AB

every other style of play is just play as normal and you get warp charges as you go

[digital loom]

hmm

[elder rain]

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[spice veldt]

f for finesse

[hoary hearth]

just finished, took a lot of carrying lol

[wet jacinth]

Something about setting a horde ablaze and then just surge shocking the lot hits different

[elder rain]

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[hoary hearth]

You'll be getting stacks from your flames from the staff so it's better to run 6 stacks instead of getting more stacks that go nowhere

[wet jacinth]

Psychic communion is just passive warp charge stacks

[hoary hearth]

And other feats in tier 3 are kinda meh imo

[wet jacinth]

Cerebral lacerations is good technically as well

[elder rain]

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[wet jacinth]

Are they in the same tier though

No

[hoary hearth]

Probably, but I'm also a selfish asshole

[wet jacinth]

Tier 5 is literally either warp battery or flayer

[hoary hearth]

And I don't use bb most of the time with purge, just to kill crushers and gunners that are far away

[wet jacinth]

Overload got a buff iirc but I don't think it's enough to warrant people using it over the other 2 options

[dense ivy]

I put Ascendant Blaze as A because if you don't run Warp Battery and Inner Tranquility it's a little less than optimal

If you run those two it becomes S tier for sure

[hollow creek]

Many thoughts, head full of warp energy

[dense ivy]

And I put quell for toughness in S because it's free real estate, you can just generate infinite toughness for free that way

So it truly works no matter what weapons you use, whereas Warp Absorption is really not very good if you don't have a staff and Essence Harvest is just unreliable especially when you're backed into a corner/isolated

[wet jacinth]

Ah wait it's not overload. I was thinking wrack and ruin l. Oof

[uneven rivet]

What melee weapon you all get for the psyk?

[dense ivy]

Wrack and Ruin and Overload are both very bad though

[elder rain]

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[dense ivy]

It lets you revive people

That's basically it, it's just giving you effectively a lot more blocking power than you do normally.

[wet jacinth]

Ik but my earlier statement was about the buff which was for wrack and ruin but still bad

[dense ivy]

Psyker has terrible base stamina and is the worst at reviving people as well as surviving on his own, so you REALLY want to keep your team alive. Deflection lets you manage that better

[wet jacinth]

Inner tranquility would be my go to if it didn't have that weird quell bug

[hoary hearth]

It was op before rez was reworked

[dense ivy]

Also

Wtf else are you going to use on that tier anyways

[hoary hearth]

If you have forsce sword with deflector you could always rez ppl with no problem, you only needed to worry about snipers

[dense ivy]

Kinetic Shield doesn't help at all unless you're at 70% peril and mind in motion is not really gamechanging

I'd rather get what amounts to 6 stamina in most cases

[wet jacinth]

Mind in motion is more a Player QoL preference

[dense ivy]

And also, you can vent that peril with a force sword while dodging, while dodging resets your stamina regeneration

[wet jacinth]

Dodging stops it doesn't it?

[dense ivy]

So it's just a very powerful defensive tool for a class that is made of wet tissue paper

Dodging stops stamina regen, to be fair Psyker has the lowest base time before stamina regen kicks back in, but either way you can quell and dodge at the same time. A little tricky possibly though since you have to hold R by default

[hollow creek]

Just slide dodge

[wet jacinth]

That as well

[dense ivy]

It's hard to dodge right while quelling, but dodging back or to the left is fine for me and I just have quell as R still

[hollow creek]

If you want to stay at basically running speed jump and slide and you can quell / charge an attack while still moving quickly

[wet jacinth]

I would just look left and dodge backwards to the right

[dense ivy]

Good trick

[wet jacinth]

But yeah so far I haven't noticed anything really in darktide that Needs a sideways dodge aside from certain enemies

Because in vermintide (depending on your distancing especially.) Side ways dodging was the only way to avoid some attacks

Dodging backwards. Iirc chaos warriors overhead would still hit you

[dense ivy]

Dodging backwards in VT was bad because it would make enemies do running attacks which had better tracking and often did more damage

You wanted to side dodge

[hollow creek]

Mauler overhead, mutie, shotgunner, guardsman bayonet attack, dog, trapper, flamer
But alot of those are better as side slide dodges

[wet jacinth]

Right. It's muties that require a side ways dodge to avoid

[dense ivy]

Fatshark looked at that and just made all enemies do running attacks by default

But ALSO made them do wide sweeps

So side dodging doesn't even work if you time it right because enemies just hit a huge cone in front of them now

[viral solstice]

only a small number of attacks ignore dodge state

[dense ivy]

So you really can only dodge in super dense hordes that get stuck on each other

[wet jacinth]

The others there you could just directionally use backwards slide dodges

[viral solstice]

most will just be ignored if u time correctly

[dense ivy]

Otherwise you need to shove or dodge back just before the attack finishes

Since they track you for so long in their windups

[viral solstice]

rager combo has a few undodgables in, etc

but 95% of melee attacks will pass str8 thru u

like a ghost

[dense ivy]

yeah they're undodgable to the side, but you just dodge back twice and shoot them in the face

[viral solstice]

if ur in dodge when they connect

[dense ivy]

There are no iframes from dodges btw

[viral solstice]

wrong

[dense ivy]

No

[hollow creek]

I find side dodging keeps me closer to the enemy in question while still dodging the attack, makes hitting them back easier, plus style points for spinning as you slide

[viral solstice]

[dense ivy]

Dodges break tracking

[viral solstice]

are we really

doing this again

[dense ivy]

Sometimes

[wet jacinth]

Dodging isn't iframes lol.

[viral solstice]

have you read the code

YES IT IS

IT LITERALLY

CHECKS UR DODGE STATE

BOTH FOR RANGED AND MELEE ATTACKS

THERE IS A TABLE OF ATTACKS AND DODGE OUTCOMES DEPENDING ON ATTACKS AND PLAYER STATE

WHY DO PEOPLE BELIEVE OTHERWISE

??????

[dense ivy]

It's the same as in VT2

[jovial zodiac]

@feral verge ❤️

[feral verge]

based

[dense ivy]

They took out iframes after the first big update

[feral verge]

dont tell anyone i blew up twice

[jovial zodiac]

owo

too late you spilt the beans

[dense ivy]

You can't dodge in place against overheads

[feral verge]

the no peril effects mod fucks me up

[dense ivy]

If you had iframes you could

[hollow creek]

checking the code
Machine cultist detected

[viral solstice]

depends... on the attack............... and if its tagged... undodgeable....

[dense ivy]

Well overheads are dodgeable

[hollow creek]

Nothing is truly undodgeable

[dense ivy]

And count your player model

[viral solstice]

ok lets break this down

[dense ivy]

No iframes will save you from a mauler overhead if you don't actually avoid the attack box

[leaden thunder]

rager combos off the top of my head are "undodgeable"

[viral solstice]

this idea that dodge state does not give u state-based damage immunity vs 90% of melee attacks is completely, flat out, wrong

just literally not how the game works

[hollow creek]

Backwards slide dodge

[viral solstice]

its the same with ranged attacks

there is a dodge state

that state is checked

[leaden thunder]

if you are hit mid dodge you take damage

[viral solstice]

that state provides unconditional immunity vs most things in the game with a few exceptions

this is not "breaking tracking"

[wet jacinth]

The different classes have different modifiers on those player states as well.
Such as vets taking 2x (200%) more damage to toughness while sprinting

[leaden thunder]

hence "undodgeable"

[viral solstice]

incorrect

this is nothing to do with dodge

and that table is a huge source of misinformation

[hollow creek]

If youre being hit during your dodge its uhh.. no longer a dodge

[viral solstice]

that table only applies if the attack is undodgeable

or unslidable

as the case may be

[leaden thunder]

[viral solstice]

(or sprinting which is a diff thing but we put that to one side)

eg if u activate the zealot 100% dr while sliding

u will actually see impact fx

[wet jacinth]

Was using an example

[viral solstice]

u will appear to take damage (tho u wont if at full toughness)

[wet jacinth]

But ok

[viral solstice]

this is not the same system

[wet jacinth]

Playerstates example

[hollow creek]

https://youtu.be/U2OXN_zXtcc

[dense ivy]

I've been hit while dodging all the time

[wet jacinth]

Not specific to dodging

[viral solstice]

fair fair

[wet jacinth]

Read

[viral solstice]

idk where this breaks tracking shit came from

its the most pervasive misinformation

in this game

[dense ivy]

Because it breaks tracking wtf are you on about

If you sprint past an enemy they will track you until the attack lands

[wet jacinth]

Dodging being iframes doesn't fit either since there are times you still get take dmg

[dense ivy]

If you dodge near the end of the attack they stop tracking and swing for where you were not where you are

[viral solstice]

[dense ivy]

This is especially noticeable when enemies shoot you

[viral solstice]

this is not... why u dont take damage...

[wet jacinth]

The term iframes isn't fitting is what I'm saying

[dense ivy]

This is exactly why you don't take damage

[hollow creek]

This ^ its basically why you can dodge shotgunners

[viral solstice]

they are frames

[dense ivy]

This is the same system as in VT2

[viral solstice]

that make u invulnerable

if u are hit during them

to most attacks

????????

[dense ivy]

Which did not have iframes

And this game doesn't have iframes either

Because you can get hit by poxwalkers during a dodge

[viral solstice]

[dense ivy]

If you dodge into them or don't dodge fast enough or have a weapon with bad dodges and dodge left or right their swing can still connect and damage you

[viral solstice]

if u mistime a dodge

yes u can get hit

[sweet drift]

I remember this being how it worked in vermintide

[dense ivy]

Not a mistime

[wet jacinth]

The typical knowledge of what iframes do is essentially you're in God mode during those frames and take no damage but that isn't always the case dodges

[viral solstice]

because ur dodge state doesnt overlap their damage window

???

[spice veldt]

if I'm dodging while doing a BB cast, I can only dodge the running attacks of poxwalkers sideways

[dense ivy]

If you do an effective dodge but not fast enough to get out of the way of the poxwalker's model as he swings

You will get hit

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Z7EHv0wQ918jM/d1337roItCVF?invite=cr-MSwwZ2YsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[dense ivy]

Because you don't have iframes

[viral solstice]

u uh

understand that u can literally

open the lua

and read how the attack code works yes

do u know what it does

to know if u get hit

ill give u a hint

it checks a utility file

[hollow creek]

Cooder moment

[fierce sinew]

This is the source of persistent confusion, the fact that there are (very few) attacks that damage the player in dodge state is too complex for reddit parrots to understand, to them you're either fully invincible or not protected at all

[dense ivy]

I have noticed this with Crushers to be fair

[viral solstice]

called dodge

do u know

[dense ivy]

But they seem to be the only enemies that are coded this way

[viral solstice]

what it does

wrong

wrong

[sweet drift]

Did you know you dont have to press enter after every word

[viral solstice]

ur literally just making shit up

[dense ivy]

Because ragers groaners poxwalkers and the like behave as enemies in VT2

Where you don't have iframes

[leaden thunder]

ragers specifically bypass it

[dense ivy]

This is probably to SPECIFICALLY fix the bullshit with overheads in VT2

[hollow creek]

What even are ragers canonically

[dense ivy]

Because their hitboxes were much bigger than the models

[hollow creek]

Are they on some sort of drugs

[sweet drift]

Rather angry people

[leaden thunder]

just angy

[dense ivy]

Leading to situations where you'd die for no reason to a chaos warrior

[leaden thunder]

dreg ones are just angy

[dense ivy]

Also this seems to be a new change

[leaden thunder]

the scab ones where probably melee specialists before they turned

[dense ivy]

Because maulers and crushers didn't used to behave like this either

[viral solstice]

so when the entire plogryn whip sweep

[wet jacinth]

Aren't they drugged?

[viral solstice]

goes thru ur models

and u dodge it

i just

good lord

[dense ivy]

I can't say I know what you're talking about there

But either way yes since the big patch it's much easier to dodge crushers

[leaden thunder]

the tentacle slap

[hollow creek]

When the plague ogryn whips his tentacle thing for like 3 attacks

[dense ivy]

In the beta they were fucking impossible to dodge

[hollow creek]

But i feel like that has a funny hitbox hes easy to dodge

[fierce sinew]

Go use the creature spawner and check

[dense ivy]

You'd dodge 15 feet back and still get staggered from the overheads

Or they'd just teleport to your face to smack you

[fierce sinew]

see what dodge actually does

[hollow creek]

What SUCK to dodge tho is the beast

[dense ivy]

The dogs?

Yeah, server issue

[hollow creek]

Well they suck too but the beast of nurgle

[dense ivy]

They're super easy to dodge if you host

[hollow creek]

Cause his vomit will slow you if it hits you even a little bit

[dense ivy]

I don't know what you mean that has to be the easiest most unthreatening boss entity ever made

[leaden thunder]

if you don't get barfed on it can't eat you

[dense ivy]

It literally can't kill you

It can only reduce you to 1 hp

I had an ogryn clutch because the BoN reduced him to 1hp, ate him, and then immediately spat him back up far away from the horde and he dashed to us and revived us all

As in he had already been reduced to 1hp, got barfed on again, and then ate, and the game went "oh he's at 1hp get that shit outta here"

Laughable design and completely incongruent with the lore

[hollow creek]

One time I had a beast of nurgle spit me out off a ledge and kill me with a fall

[clear hamlet]

best force sword perks?

[spice veldt]

+maniac (mutants, dreg ragers) and the other perk is up to you

for my force sword, I would prefer carapace to nuke crushers into oblivion

[wet jacinth]

[wide tiger]

Damn i just spent 500k at brunts and the highest i got was 347

[digital loom]

welcome to gacha

[upbeat schooner]

[rare furnace]

Drip is actually good

[clear hamlet]

graffiti psyker

[rare furnace]

More like Darth psyker I need the same breather with a hood on

[viral solstice]

final note on how dodge works

i realised the best way to show it is this

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Z7X6HSRl3uuOQ/d1337Vg9wKE5?invite=cr-MSxxbFAsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

u can hear the swoosh (this is the sound cue associated with a successful dodge)

but my character cannot move as the crate stops me

and yet somehow i take no damage

this is because dodge... is a state

and indeed mauler overheads can also be avoided like this

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Z80DBdd5cZnyW/d1337UXG3zds?invite=cr-MSxCQ08sMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

so please can we finally put this breaks tracking shit to bed

thank u

[feral verge]

you just go underhead to dodge the overhead. pretty easy

[viral solstice]

sidehead

[digital loom]

nice hack

[sweet drift]

Looks like it was put to bed 20 minutes ago bud

[leaden thunder]

so how does ghost etc work?

they don't put you in the same state as a dodge do they?

[lethal folio]

Ghost is buff dodge which is only counted vs range.

[leaden thunder]

i see

[viral solstice]

ye ghost puts u in ranged dodge

[lethal folio]

And dodge is not iframes.

[viral solstice]

what do u mean by that

[lethal folio]

This is why we always dodge sideways

[viral solstice]

it is state-based immunity

that works even if u dont move

hence

standing by the crate

not moving

will stop u take damage

[viral solstice]

pretty sure that attack is tagged undodgeable

try with basically anything else

maulers, crushers, normal rifleman melee

[olive ember]

wat we talking about

[viral solstice]

its state-based avoidance

theres even a sound cue associated with the state avoiding something

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Z8gx5uLMlXBtA/d1337qiev2zc?invite=cr-MSw5NjUsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

eg

[viral solstice]

ok look up at what i just posted

now

step 1

how does dodge work

its a state. its state-based avoidance, primarily

step 2

does dodge have some complicating factors

yes

but it is not primarily about "breaking tracking" or avoiding hitboxes or anything like that

primarily its state-based avoidance

how the dodge state interacts with specific attacks varies but thats just fatshark life

[lethal folio]

Enemies lose their tracking but if you're still within a cone they hit you.

[viral solstice]

the primary confusion i have encountered is people thinking that dodge only works by movement

i just posted 3 examples of enemies using sequences of attacks

that dont hit me while im literally stationary

there are dodge catches in some moves

but not most

eg the only thing a bulwark can do while ur stationary dodging against the crate is shield slam u

yes?

[lethal folio]

The shield bash has ignore dodge

[viral solstice]

indeed

it does

but the rest of his attacks

do not hit u while stationary dodging

[leaden thunder]

if I can recall back I think I noticed the avoidance state while tanking a deamon hosts

100% some of those attack would have hit me if it didn't do that

[fierce sinew]

at some point there should be a pin

probably

[leaden thunder]

maybe in like

theorycrafting or gameplay help

or something

instead of pinned in here

[fierce sinew]

we have room in our pins for random shitter builds several patches out of date

[cyan portal]

Is there any useful animation cancel for the fs special?

[toxic forge]

feels nice to have +20% toughness on all my psyker curios lol

[leaden thunder]

mdgs build

[fierce sinew]

something directly related to misinformation posted in this channel on nearly a daily basis surely more utility

[viral solstice]

yea this is last thing im posting about this so d/w no more spam but

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/Z8iMZYVukejVZ/d1337yPKC4yP?invite=cr-MSxXNEksMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

for those wondering that is how it looks with a bulwark

u can see the shield slam ignores it

but then i just phase thru his swings with a swoosh

[fierce sinew]

I'm not annoyed at you posting really, that's just an effect

the unfortunate cause of which is persistent myth

[lethal folio]

Bulwark has a tiny dodge reach

[viral solstice]

i mean im literally not moving inside his model

[lethal folio]

0.35 compared to 0.94 default

[viral solstice]

im clipping into his weapon

[clear hamlet]

what perks would I want on laspistol

and blessings

[lethal folio]

Ghost/infernus.

[leaden thunder]

possibly dumdum if that gets buffed

[leaden thunder]

damn

that's a very nice base

[toxic forge]

Feels good man

[steel egret]

Number small.

[jagged badger]

Guess I try a dagger build..?

[patent steeple]

what is the best staff on high difficulties right now? i assume either surge for stagger and semi-hordeclear or purge for whatever its use case really is...

[spice veldt]

purg

infinite cleave goes a long way

[hexed ibex]

Which perk should I reroll, I know the typical logic is to go for flak/maniacs but do I want to keep unarmored on purg and pair it with critchance?

[olive ember]

🤔

I am pretty sure you want to re roll unarmourd

just cuz the purge staff deals with unarmored fine by itself

but not too sure

[olive ember]

don't listen to arcotash, surge is best staff and it always will be REEEEE

any staff can work on damnation

hell you can run no staff and it will still work

[spice veldt]

interestingly, soulblaze does more damage to flak than unarmoured

any staff works, but they were asking about the best staff

[olive ember]

and that staff is surge

[feral verge]

i would roll off maniac, personally

i brain burst them anway

[olive ember]

bruh wat

just burn em

[long wharf]

why would soulblaze do more damage to flak, logically?

[hexed ibex]

The metal is heated and burns?

[long wharf]

is flak armor somehow more conductive?

[feral verge]

its quicker to burn the rager a little bit

[long wharf]

it's warpfire/soulblaze

the soul is burning

[feral verge]

but then do big damage with brain burst

just burning it takes longer

[long wharf]

more like they copy and pasted the burn dot armor modifier table

[fierce sinew]

depending on the physical properties of the armor and how similar soulblaze is meant to behave to normal fire, maybe retains/becomes damaged by heat?

[gaunt stone]

thoughts and what perk do I roll

[fierce sinew]

I got nothing

[long wharf]

yeah it doesn't make lore-sense to me

[fierce sinew]

flak being the highest and carapace being the lowest is an immersion headscratcher for sure

[long wharf]

I can see that for burning

[fierce sinew]

unless there's a really big in-universe difference between what those are made of that explains it

[spice veldt]

maybe crushers have a fan inside their armor

[long wharf]

but honestly, I'd think warpfire would be something that'd effectively ignore armor

[fierce sinew]

that's what I would think as well

[long wharf]

crushers in environmentally sealed power armor confirmed

[spice veldt]

any gaps we see are just cleverly painted camouflage

[viral solstice]

crushers have armour plate on their soul

and in their arteries

thats why bleeding doesnt get them

surgeon installed it

[long wharf]

crushers subjects of experiment X confirmed

what do you call an experiment X subject in power armor?

Master Chief

Halo Universe now WH40K canon

[lethal folio]

Carapace is made of Ceramite and Armaplas which have heat resistant properties.

[hexed ibex]

That is what I had in my mind as an ideal staff so its good to know I was on the right track, is warp flurry still bugged on Purg?

[long wharf]

yes

[lethal folio]

Flak is just crappy ceramite.

[feral verge]

idk

it appears to charge faster

[long wharf]

you know what would make soulblaze unique?

[feral verge]

but idk if it's actually faster

[long wharf]

bypass armor entirely, do % based damage by stack count, apply an increasing warp damage taken debuff to enemy

[olive ember]

god I should just play damnation

malice teammates are literally beyond hope sometimes

[feral verge]

i only play damnation

higher quality teamates is nice

most of the time

[olive ember]

idk how i ping double crusher

[feral verge]

there are still some braindeads

[olive ember]

and my teammates are just oblivious

[clear hamlet]

damn one mission later with the laspistol and my finger is tired

[feral verge]

my favorite is seeing a zealot or vet run ahead , get downed, die and then ragequit

within the first 5-10 mins

[hexed ibex]

Damn man stop predicting the future like that

[clear hamlet]

I just had another gun psyker in my squad who hogged all the ammo

autopistol one

go figure

[olive ember]

they just aggro'ed a daemon host

welp

[feral verge]

all those wounds

[hollow creek]

Well did you pass the DPS check?

[olive ember]

um

he killed the first guy who went down in liek 5 seconds

and then he downed the 2nd guy at which point i pressed F and unloaded

[hollow creek]

[feral verge]

melk time in 3 mins

who else is pumped, excited and ready for good roles

[clear hamlet]

cant wait to be dissapointed

[feral verge]

this is going to be epic

[clear hamlet]

yeah I need more guns for my psyker

what feats do yall run with gun psyker

[hollow creek]

My feats dont change, my builds for head popping

[feral verge]

nothing of value

[long wharf]

I hope you meant "rolls", because if Sour Milk approaches me talking about "roles", we're gonna have a very unpleasant conversation

[feral verge]

yeah oops

[long wharf]

cause I'll grab a broom and Sour Milk can roleplay a broom closet, if you catch my drift

[feral verge]

downbad

[viral solstice]

melk offered me a good voidstirke staff

[feral verge]

in a way, ogryn players are lucky about lack of weapon selection

[viral solstice]

it has the only t4 blessing i already have for voidstirke

[feral verge]

they are way more likely to get good shit

[long wharf]

Sour Milk hasn't offered me a staff with a t4 blessing in weeks

[near gale]

This left staff, from Melk, is pretty tempting, ngl. I can even swap Run 'n' Gun for Warp Nexus.

[viral solstice]

s-swap run 'n gun?

never

[near gale]

You're right, I should never have made such a stupid thought known to the public... now my tiny brain is seen by all! D:

[idle bay]

Melk dragged in....

[olive ember]

Big rip

that legit is my antax on my psyker

fucking trash blessings

I didn't think malice could be hard but I guess we learn something new everyday I guess

[near gale]

You can at least swap decapitator out for bromentum and your teammates can get some use out of thunderous

[idle bay]

Decapitator for Brutal Momentum and it's usable

[near gale]

The block efficiency also helps with block peril, if you have that feat.

[idle bay]

Axe i played hundreds missions with

[long wharf]

are you only swinging lights?

I definitely wouldn't bother with Shred

not with mk v

[olive ember]

I mean

he can replace shred tho

cuz he got BM

[idle bay]

Mostly yes. Heavies reserved for Crushers only

[olive ember]

Replace shred with headtaker or decmiator

and yeah

you got your light machine

[near gale]

Shred at least has uses, for monsters... which the antax lacks the amounts of other things like the purgatus or force sword...

[lethal lagoon]

Any time shred is useful, it's better to have used BB or staff.

[steel flame]

sometimes

[spice veldt]

eh, combat axes also have insane damage against unyielding on their heavies

[near gale]

My surge staff does even worse monster damage... XD

[steel flame]

different things work for different builds

[spice veldt]

they're the only melee that I know off the top of my head with >100% damage against a particular armour type

[rich rose]

When your Psyker has the bestest axe of the toons you run lol

[near gale]

You mean the amount that it already states on the weapon, for heavy attack damage?

[spice veldt]

yeah

[lethal lagoon]

Melee crit damage isn't multiplicative btw.

[near gale]

I know that >.>

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, my psyker get's the best guns too 😦

[olive ember]

yep

my vet wishes he had the guns my psyker has

[near gale]

Well... except maybe on the force sword with it's up to like 2.3x critical and weakspot power and up to like 1.32x first target...

[rich rose]

Still need a better force sword and prefer the one hit with the axe. Cleave is real

[idle bay]

Pretty much all my high base Antax V are ruined by consecration. So i had to resort to that 345 specimen...

[olive ember]

I mean it aint bad

just replace slaughterer with deflector

and you good

[spice veldt]

:(

[steel flame]

lol

[spice veldt]

+25% maniac on that shit god damn

[olive ember]

I'm genuinely pissed

378 axe

ruined by fucking shit perks and shittier blessings

[spice veldt]

where are all these people with +maniac with non-locked perks on their force swords coming from

[steel flame]

your standards are way too high. that shit is more than good

[olive ember]

not rly

that shit is garbage

[spice veldt]

no power blessing = meh

[olive ember]

fucking stamina is meh, elites is meh

no power blessings

just waste of time

2 points from a max roll with decent stat distribution

ruined by crafting

[idle bay]

Almost every Antax V with 370+ ended up almost like this - i just X-them out of spite

[near gale]

Stamina affects block peril, if you are using it... so it's really not that meh, for Psyker specifically.

[olive ember]

nah

its fucking meh

i don't take enough block damage to need the stamina

[idle bay]

While below 360 Antax 5 axes end up like this... and now i need to farm more plasteel 🙂

[restive slate]

When Psykers wanna be Shieldgryns

[near gale]

It helps with push attacking more from full stamina, sprinting longer, and picking allies up.

[idle bay]

One downside of be able to revive in the middle of horde blocking dozens of hit per second - teammate usually goes back down immediately - since he can;t block that much hits unlike you 🙂

[near gale]

You can always ult before starting

[spice veldt]

push the moment you revive

spam that RMB + LMB the moment you see that bar finish

[idle bay]

Exactly and also start pushing after revive 🙂

[near gale]

Then again I usually have 26%-30% revive speed, so getting allies up isn't as issue as much as it is for my teammates. >.>

[restive slate]

Is there a small i-frane after being picked up?

[idle bay]

Quick question about Decimator Blessing - Bonus Power only works for axe or spaghetti code keeps that bonus for BB and Ranged weapon as well?

[restive slate]

Oh wow how many secs do you need?

[spice veldt]

i don't think there are any revive i-frames like l4d2

[near gale]

It cuts off like 1/3rd of the time it takes to pick someone up with the full 30%

Meaning you are vulnerable for less time, and your teammates are up to be able to try to help you faster

[restive slate]

The Show Blessings mod helped me identify what buffs are on/off, for how long, etc

[spice veldt]

cross-weapon interactions with blessings were patched out a while back, apparently except for the All or Nothing blessing

[idle bay]

Since it provides just up to 4% on t3 and no one uses it because it's trash 🙂

Well... i do 🙂 On my second V axe...

[spice veldt]

like having 1 extra warp charge

i suppose

woohoo 7 warp charges

[restive slate]

Example, the blessing that gives crit on peril worked weird, the mod shows that it gives two stacks of crit with any amount of peril and only max of 4 stacks at 100% peril

[idle bay]

Only reason i kept that blessing - other one was even worse 🙂

[urban wedge]

pick n mix it's still possible to do

[idle bay]

I did mine randomly with team unable to do very ranged damage

[spice veldt]

yes; run Kinetic Barrage on a mission that spams elites at you like the midevent of Commsplex

[near gale]

That's why I like the reroll until rarity mod. I have it set on ~40 rerolls or until a t4 perk and it makes it way less tedious to get the t4 blessing you want.

[spice veldt]

i click refine and alt-tab until I hear it finish

[idle bay]

In mine case that was regular encounter on stairs after shower room in Consignment Yard. Massive pack of ddreg shooters spawned few quite a few gunners far away, and i just started popping heads with BB barely seeing what i was targeting. After 6 or 7-th BB Penance (Pick'n'Mix) popped up

Probably it was 2 separate packs. Patrol + spawned in pack

And it provided enough elites for Penance. Also - yes i'm lazy and running Barrage in my regular build

KB helps a lot in case of wanker-Vet in team, who chokes one-eyed-snake instead of killing shooters. Even slowly BBing head - you kill faster than such vet 🙂

[spice veldt]

KB makes stealing elite kills very easy

[idle bay]

It's only hard to outscore proper GG ogryn in elite kills 🙂

If he fine-tuned his GG for breakpoits just to 1 shot elites and specials 🙂

[spice veldt]

not if I stand in front of the ogryn and jump

not if I stand in front of vets

actually it's a projectile

fuck

[idle bay]

GG ignores friendly bodies 🙂

[spice veldt]

purg staff in front of ogryn

[sinful bramble]

So the wrack & ruin and warp unleashed feats being buffed were the... Only psyker buffs that were given?

[feral verge]

yes

but they have changed psyker gaming, forever.

[sinful bramble]

Yeah wow they've really changed how psyker plays and really put it on equal footing with the veteran