Btw you mentioned the thresholds were 30/50/97/97 but what are the bonuses applied anyway? Because Vanessa mentioned it was 0/5/10/20 % but then wouldn't that be weird to have a 0% bonus applied at 30 peril
#psyker-class
olive ember
the crit chance doesn't justify surge sadly yeah
its kinda similar to blazing spirit or wte
viral solstice
why do you believe it is not critting
viral solstice
rate of surge?
olive ember
You have any peril?
olive ember
Dunno then lmao
olive ember
It is a small bonus so prob need to test a lot to see any diff
vagrant frigate
but it REALLY didnt feel like a 30% crit
ornate hamlet
As psyker getting really tired of getting gun rewards
olive ember
Just play a gunker
vagrant frigate
it should be 5% staff 5% psyker 20% nexus 5% perk
olive ember
That’s what the emp is telling you
olive ember
Idk how the calculation is exactly tbh
vagrant frigate
maybe its crit based on armor type?
olive ember
Could be some bs like 20% of psykers base 5% crit lmao
vagrant frigate
i crit trash more than carapace
ornate hamlet
Yuck
long osprey
I found a bug with wrack and ruin I think
vagrant frigate
Could be some bs like 20% of psykers base 5% crit lmao
i think it might actually be that
long osprey
Who do I report it to?
ornate hamlet
mald?
vagrant frigate
every 10 seconds
olive ember
Who do I report it to?
Bug report on forums
Mad and bald 🤔 twitch terminology
When in doubt
Urban dictionary
10/10
ornate hamlet
Why is it a bad thing to ask the speaker for clarification?
long osprey
It seems like wrack and ruin do not apply the right amount of stack of soul blaze to the enemy that is being targeted
olive ember
Hm?
olive ember
It seems like wrack and ruin do not apply the right amount of stack of soul blaz...
Oh?
Anyone else care to test
gilded viper
isn't 805 the max 
olive ember
Yes
gilded viper
the max is REAL
olive ember
and its deflector
That’s pretty pog
viral solstice
wrack and ruin applies 3 stacks same as my staff crits
ticks for 22 w/ flak bonus
long osprey
Ok
vagrant frigate
what to pair with deflector on force
olive ember
Slaughterer
olive ember
Slaughterer is the most important perk on FS
viral solstice
warpfire does diff multipliers vs different armour types
leaden thunder
^
viral solstice
so basically zero vs carapace
lunar hollow
yo
just got t3 slaughterer
fucking finally
ive bot like 20 force swords and have been upgrading in bulk
lunar hollow
olive ember
only noob use slaughterer progamer (me) use blaze spirit
do you atleast have bloodthirsty with blazing spirit lmao
feral verge
im getting more and more on the dueling sword train
another bonus for it is the lack of blessings
viral solstice
have u been fighting a lot of duels
feral verge
only 5
viral solstice
feral verge
so less chance for getting trash
feral verge
leaden thunder
what even is the crit damage mode on dueling swords
feral verge
what is this AB uncanny combo
feral verge
critting is also funny
the funny stat is one of the most important stats, next to aesthetic/drip
viral solstice
ok it works but it is not... stronk
it gives u ticks of 26 instead of 4
incredibile
would be slightly more if i had uncanny IV
all it is is just rending from ur weap applies to dots
if the dot has sub 1x multi to an armour type
feral verge
wow this has huge carry potential the likes of which have never been seen
viral solstice
indeed indeed
ppl said i was mad
but i showed them i was wrong
wait no i mean
olive ember
viral solstice
ok there we go
122
now we talkin real tickage
oh huh
force sword special does apply fuill uncanny stacks
if used on a weakspot
122 ticks
incredibile
why not embed
there we go
this is a waste of time to use deliuberately but with slaught uncanny u could ab a horde and slap a crusher in the middle and get the slaught power bonus on top of the rending
it would be... bad
but u would feel powerful
viral solstice
feral verge
HP gang rise up
viral solstice
i use toughness on all 4 classes
because toughness is blue
like these jorts
do u have any question
feral verge
ok doing it based off of color is actually pretty based
i prefer to pick curios based entirely on how their icon looks
cool icon? cool ima equip
viral solstice
look at my force sword
u can trust me
only a trustworthy person
would possess such a Relic of the Omnissiah
viral solstice
deflector? seems kinda sus
detecting a lack of fire here
u need to get fire on ur sword
asap
feral verge
i have the blessing
viral solstice
needs precog riposte
celest raven
what are best perks for voidstrike
viral solstice
warp flurry transfer peril if ur a normie
warp nexus surge if ur a rich bitch and like blobs
surge blazing spirit if ur just a chad
feral verge
what are best perks for voidstrike
warp flurry, transfer peril, unarmored (or infested) + flak damage
viral solstice
o yea perks not blessings 
flak / unarmoured is optimal if u have a perfect roll and gets u the one shot on dreg gunners from the unarmoured
unless u just want infested to booly poxies
delicate smelt
idle bay
Greatness was so close... missed by one Sour Milk Token
hearty falcon
which dueling sword is considered the best
jade imp
What does burn do? Is it damage or tick rate?
spice veldt
cloud radius is high which is nice
hearty falcon
you probably want quell speed as the dump stat
jade imp
Ahh, gotcha, thanks!
hearty falcon
though if you got that dawg in you you can go for warp res
jade imp
I'd like to do lightning anyways, so this is a holder then. On a lightning staff it's gonna be what, crit and charge rate?
feral crater
Quell speed better than warp res since the change to passive quell. But yeah those 2 still weakest for pretty much every staff xD
shadow wigeon
Yeah I kinda like quell more now for surge.
hearty falcon
which dueling sword is considered the best
also asking this again 
if there is any major difference between em
cold geode
the emprah trying to tempt me
hearty falcon
ive been force sword gaming for almost ever but i just got a really good mk 2 and mk 5
feral verge
which dueling sword is considered the best
i like the mk4
mk5 has best single target dmg
mk4 is best for horde clear afaik
mk2 is the meh middle ground
hearty falcon
👍 thanks
feral verge
np
Mk4 is also the drippiest
Important hidden stat
You may already know this but the special stab has high stagger
I use it to knock hounds off of players
And I charge close range specials with it, to stagger them
mellow glen
think this is good enough to stop chasing Voidstrike staffs? or should I keep rolling em?
undone quiver
Can someone help me understand axes on psyker better?
I'm coming in from this using the knife, where you can spam block attack and melt everything
I was using an Antax Mk5 with Brutal Momentum, and was expecting it to just melt stuff. But it seems like even head-shots don't kill things instantly, meaning Brutal Momentum doesn't trigger? At least not the push attack
And, also, while the knife's push attack deals heavy-attack damage, the axe's push attack appears to do less even than its light attack?
What am I missing?
feral verge
Charge rate could be a little better but that's p damn good
shadow wigeon
think this is good enough to stop chasing Voidstrike staffs? or should I keep ro...
You're good
shadow wigeon
Perks are not helpful, but if you want to stop spending this will go.
feral verge
Oh you already got the blessings on it nvm
mellow glen
Perks are not helpful, but if you want to stop spending this will go.
I thought these were the best for voidstrike? what should I switch out in terms of perks?
feral verge
Yeah those perks are meh. Warp flurry iv takes priority over transfer peril iv
shadow wigeon
I thought these were the best for voidstrike? what should I switch out in terms ...
Perks not blessings. Your blessings are A+, perks just not doing anything for you.
mellow glen
Perks not blessings. Your blessings are A+, perks just not doing anything for yo...
interesting -- which perks should I go for?
shadow wigeon
Can someone help me understand axes on psyker better?
I'm coming in from this u...
my 80 dmg mk5, L1 weakspot is 271 - not enough to one shot a proper mob, but your second swing will get Bromomentum going
For Surge psyker I use Thrust, so I can deal some proper damage to the ocassional big single target.
undone quiver
Thrust? The special attack?
shadow wigeon
blessing
shadow wigeon
Just means your heavies really count for a lot.
undone quiver
Ok, so that gives you ability to lay some serious smackdown
shadow wigeon
And still get decent horde clear
undone quiver
And then bromentum is like, the first one doesn't kill, but after that you're hitting weakened targets?
shadow wigeon
I use Kinetic Deflector for clutch push block.
undone quiver
Is the cleave important here?
Oh, and if you ignore hit mass for 3.5s, that will just get going and you can keep on churning?
shadow wigeon
Is the cleave important here?
You can lean into horde clear, or single target - it's not a huge swing on the stats (blessing affects it more)
undone quiver
Gotcha
shadow wigeon
Oh, and if you ignore hit mass for 3.5s, that will just get going and you can ke...
It's more about not getting randomly stopped on armor that happens to be in your way, and keep it going
undone quiver
What do you mean by stopped by armor?
spice veldt
Combat Axes - Compared to lights, push-attacks deal less dmg to the first target, more damage to the 2nd/3rd targets. However, push-attacks can only deal damage to 3 targets at max. It will still "hit" more than 3 enemies, but it only deal stagger to them and no damage.
shadow wigeon
What do you mean by stopped by armor?
There's a limit to how much you can cleave, and when you run out of cleave, your attack just dead stops. Momentum keeps you going and helps you keep proccing momentum
Honestly I'm not even sure how much I use it, on psyker.
undone quiver
Won't bromentum keep you going?
spice veldt
Lights deal more damage to the first target and deal about 30-ish minimum cleave damage to all targets beyond the 3rd
undone quiver
How do I real this
spice veldt
ah, rows is the damage dealt to the 1st target, 2nd target, etc. from top to bottom
shadow wigeon
Won't bromentum keep you going?
Yeah - I think we're saying the same thing. I just mean that bromomentum helps your cleave to keep going. Without it, your swing may get interrupted when you're not expecting it.
undone quiver
I see, ok, yeah
spice veldt
1st column is bodyshot, 2nd column is weakspot, 3rd column is crit, and 4th column is crit + weakspot
spice veldt
you're a creakspot
shadow wigeon
I see, ok, yeah
Your other strong options are Headtaker, Decimator for just more damage (assuming you consider Bromomentum a requirement)
shy crag
Heya folks, does anyone know if this blessing stacks? Or is it just a one off 5% Power? and if so, how long does it last?
viral solstice
Heya folks, does anyone know if this blessing stacks? Or is it just a one off 5%...
it does stack
thats up to 20% at 97
undone quiver
Your other strong options are Headtaker, Decimator for just more damage (assumin...
I had heard it was - but maybe I shouldn't?
spice veldt
5% power at 30% peril, 10% at 50%, and 20% at 97%
undone quiver
Like, as I'm now understanding it, if I'm mostly push-attacking (and maybe I shouldn't be), I'll just be hitting 3 things anyway
shadow wigeon
I had heard it was - but maybe I shouldn't?
I've had it from day 1 with psyker, I decided to try some runs without it, and I didn't really notice the difference hugely. I'm also not cleaving into hordes with armored elites.
spice veldt
Unstable Power and Warp Nexus currently stack in a wonky way because you gain the last two stacks at 97% peril
shadow wigeon
Like, as I'm now understanding it, if I'm mostly push-attacking (and maybe I sho...
Push attack is really just for clutch/getting out of there. It's very good, very safe, but you don't need to use it.
shadow wigeon
When shit hits the fan, though, you go hyper-push and just yolosolo the whole level.
undone quiver
When shit hits the fan, though, you go hyper-push and just yolosolo the whole le...
Right, I came into this from using a push-attack knife spam situation
spice veldt
yeah, push-attacks on combat axes are just something you might as well throw out if you're pushing
shy crag
thats up to 20% at 97
OK thanks! I really wish they made these blessings more informative! strange blessing that one, not sure if its worth it, trying to find something to pair with deflector on my force sword and i just got that blessing on one i was upgrading
spice veldt
of course, this is all assuming that you're running brutal momentum
viral solstice
if you are using force sword just for quickswap specials its nice
definitely a nicer blessing than it looks
undone quiver
I've had it from day 1 with psyker, I decided to try some runs without it, and I...
How armored do you have to be worried about? Like, will hordes with some guardsmen in there stop you? Or it elites?
shadow wigeon
How armored do you have to be worried about? Like, will hordes with some guardsm...
No? I don't even remember now. I ran without it and didn't notice the difference, but that memory is fuzzy an aneddotal, and it was maybe only lo5.
undone quiver
yeah, push-attacks on combat axes are just something you might as well throw out...
OK, so but what I think you're saying is that I shouldn't just be pushing for the heck of it - if I'm pushing, I should push attack, but I should consider using other attacks?
shy crag
yeah fair point, when im maxed out peril on my staff, id often quick swap to melee to finish stuff off close range, so that blessing would proc all maxed out presumably
spice veldt
for hordeclearing, yeah; lights are much better than push-attacks
viral solstice
yeah
and because fs special gets u safely to 100 peril
without proccing headsplode
leaden thunder
we also found out if you hit multple targets with a decimator axe
shadow wigeon
Yeah push attack is very defensive. I never use it for clearing.
viral solstice
u can actually get consistent value
leaden thunder
you get mutliple stacks
shadow wigeon
But you take ONE HIT and NOPE push attack get outta my face.
shy crag
and because fs special gets u safely to 100 peril
oh i wasn't aware of that, sometimes it feels really random when that head explode triggers, i find myself at 100% quite often safely, never truly knowing why.
undone quiver
for hordeclearing, yeah; lights are much better than push-attacks
OK, nifty - that was a big misunderstanding on my end, I think
leaden thunder
it was spread around alot
spice veldt
all warp powers are safe to finish the cast at 99%. Only Brain Burst is the exception to this
shadow wigeon
If you run KD, then push-attack is your clutch team save option.
undone quiver
it was spread around alot
What does Decimator do? I mean I can see the text, I just don't know what chaining is
leaden thunder
hitting targets
undone quiver
If you run KD, then push-attack is your clutch team save option.
Right, yeah
leaden thunder
with out pushing or missing
shadow wigeon
What does Decimator do? I mean I can see the text, I just don't know what chaini...
Consecutive hits, I don't beleive there's a timer on them. Jus tdon't miss.
undone quiver
Oh, so that's a case where you shouldn't do push block
shy crag
What does Decimator do? I mean I can see the text, I just don't know what chaini...
If you press V on a weapon for more info, on the right you'll see the heavy and light "chains", so its that number of consecutive hits basically
leaden thunder
if you have bm and hit 5 enemies with 1 attack
you get full decimator stacks
instantly
shred works the same way
I don't believe headtaker does tho
undone quiver
If you press V on a weapon for more info, on the right you'll see the heavy and ...
Right, ok, so it's basically unrelated to the chains it's just consecutive hits within the same type of attack?
leaden thunder
now, decimator won't apply to the push attack ever is the downside
spice veldt
you can chain lights into heavies and vice versa
leaden thunder
^
spice veldt
you drop a chain whenever you block or wait too long such that your weapon goes back into its resting position
or you miss an attack
spice veldt
that interaction with light/heavies and push-attacks is wonky
leaden thunder
lemee check I got the mod that shows when blessigns are active
gilded viper
it does stack
wait so does that mean stamina stack too
elder rain
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spice veldt
you can't light/heavy -> block -> light/heavy, but you can light/heavy -> push-attack -> push-attack
at least on the Force Sword
leaden thunder
that sounds about right
mellow glen
Still not totally sure how to gauge staffs -- can I get much better when it comes to Purgatus?
does that 64 damage make a big difference?
gilded viper
press V
shy crag
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carapace
undone quiver
Your other strong options are Headtaker, Decimator for just more damage (assumin...
If I lose bromentum, what else would you toss on there?
And are headtaker and decimator both fairly obvious (aka just damage addition)?
shy crag
definitely a nicer blessing than it looks
This is what I ended up with
mellow glen
better shot
gilded viper
u can hover over the damage to see the diff but like i say damage kinda don't matter vs burn stats for purg
mellow glen
u can hover over the damage to see the diff but like i say damage kinda don't ma...
ohh cool didn't realize that
undone quiver
Is the block attack in the inspect tab somewhere?
spice veldt
nope
shadow wigeon
If I lose bromentum, what else would you toss on there?
And are headtaker and d...
Thrust = big heavies
Decimator = damage boost if you chain attacks and don't miss
Head Taker = Guaranteed to apply by just swinging, but you won't get max value because it is time dependent.
Writing this out actually makes Headtaker look pretty bad to me now
spice veldt
though sometimes the push-attack has the same properties as lights/heavies
i'm pretty sure the knife's push-attack has the same stats as its heavies
undone quiver
Thrust = big heavies
Decimator = damage boost if you chain attacks and don't mis...
Number also seems small. Like, decimator seems to eclipse headtaker as long as you even just get two hits in a row
lethal folio
Headtaker builds faster than decimator, it just has more forgivable dropoff
undone quiver
Cuz it just goes away over time?
leaden thunder
does it? since decimator can build multiple stacks in 1 swing
lethal folio
As does headtaker.
shadow wigeon
does it? since decimator can build multiple stacks in 1 swing
Is that for sure?
leaden thunder
Is that for sure?
very
shadow wigeon
Ok, I was never sure. I think I too often break the chain
leaden thunder
ah so headatker works the same way
shadow wigeon
and lose Deci buff
shadow wigeon
Number also seems small. Like, decimator seems to eclipse headtaker as long as y...
With deci you have to commit to the chain. If you're doing that already, it may work for you.
I don't use it because I break the chain too often, so HT was more useful. But ultimately settled on Thrust bc raw MK5 damage is quite high already.
undone quiver
Makes sense
Alright, let's take this advice out of the meat grinder and see how it goes
shadow wigeon
Yeah I forget how small MK5 cleave actually is
71% = 1.21 cleave, not even enough to get past 1 dreg mob.
I definitely take bromomentum for granted.
shy crag
i heard 1.25 and over is the sweet spot for it
dunno how true that is, just one thing i remember, probably from a youtube video
shadow wigeon
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Purge staff does virtually zero carapace damage. 0 x 1.20 ain't gonna do much.
unkempt laurel
Getting back into psyker after getting all the other classes to 30; are there any standout perk changes from the nerfs/buffs?
shadow wigeon
Alright, let's take this advice out of the meat grinder and see how it goes
BTW in practice, remember that MK5 heavies are only really effective vs carapace and unyielding, and significantly worse than a light vs maniacs.
So thrust is for dumping damage onto heavy targets, only, really.
steel flame
Getting back into psyker after getting all the other classes to 30; are there an...
Kb wrack go brrrrrrrrr
grizzled iris
steel flame
I hate rng
spice veldt
Getting back into psyker after getting all the other classes to 30; are there an...
- Warp Unleashed (new name of the lvl10 top feat) now scales from between 10% to 25%.
- Wrack & Ruin was buffed to be triggered on hit of elites/specials, has a greater range of spread, and applies more soulblaze stacks.
- Cerebral Lacerations was buffed from +15% to +25%.
- Kinetic Deflection now stops your passive peril regen when blocking an attack, but you are now protected against guardbreaks at 0 stamina as long as you have the peril to block the attack.
steel flame
I can't bring myself to play less than the hardest missions so grinding materials just doesn't happen so I haven't yet been able to craft any god rolls yet
lunar hollow
you get the most materials on the hardest missions?
steel flame
Maybe I just need to spend a week grinding out heresy or low damnation for mats
lunar hollow
if i need plasteel really bad i just run low int damnations
steel flame
But they are sooooooooo boring
lunar hollow
entertainment issue
viral solstice
wait so does that mean stamina stack too
alas stamina doesnt stack
but it does aply to ur ranged weapon
steel flame
entertainment issue
I wanna be grinding my balls off with sand paper not taking a nap
Entire reason I went all in on laspistol psyker, regular psyker wasn't hard enough
river sand
sooo after some more testing with both staffs. If you get the animation cancel rolling surge / nexus seems to outclass flurry / transfer by quite a lot.
viral solstice
that may b true but there is a better reason
its very simple
surge shoot many bleb
this is good and funny
therefore surg best
but thank for scient
river sand
incredibly satisfying when you oneshot crit all the gunners / shotgunners etc
viral solstice
also left click surge procs
are inherently funny
tho u should be one shotting shotgunners normally das a very important spagooter
river sand
but without animation cancel, flurry wins the race
ornate hamlet
Anyone know why I might have a red exclamation point on my loadout?
feral crater
You changed/sold/dismantled a piece of equipment from it
river sand
a weapon saved that you sold
ornate hamlet
ah
shadow wigeon
Purg enjoyers, what perks do you like?
feral crater
Unarmoured/infested+flak
dense ivy
Is it just me or is the hunting grounds modifier low intensity
Also if you're wondering how Gov got so many crits and headshots but still bottom scored hard on damage. Recon Lasgun.
ornate hamlet
hunting grounds is intense for me atm
weve had 3 bosses back to back
nurgle beast
dense ivy
Weird
Must be completely randomized, or else layered over a base modifier
I had 3 bosses spawn on a LOW intensity mission though so maybe the servers just got borked by the hotfix
ornate hamlet
Yeah, I'm at threat 5
and there's been like packs of 16 dogs
more like 8
but
its intense
pseudo gale
Purgatus staff noises
ornate hamlet
What's the dumpstat on a wave clearing Mk IV Duelling sword?
(the one with cleave)
near gale
My guess is mobility
ornate hamlet
Cuz I found this: Gonna see where consecrationg ets me with it
near gale
I've used worse ones than that before
ornate hamlet
For cleaving hordes, I'm liking what Im seeing so far:
I mean yeah, tier two bless, but the diff isn't too much I think
feral verge
afaik rampage only triggers on push attack unfortunately
ornate hamlet
That's how I do my attacks
PUsh, slash, push, slash.
So for horde, that's great.
feral verge
tier 3 rampage does 30% damage
ornate hamlet
feral verge
the great thing about dueling sword is that there are only 5p erks for it
so there are less trash perks for it
so it's not as bad to reroll for it, if oyu choose to
shadow wigeon
I know this is really marginal but I gotta keep 8 elite or 3 crit
feral verge
i'd keep elite damage and go for 5 crit
i went all in for crit on mine
i dont remember what perk i replaced on it
ornate hamlet
ornate hamlet
...wut?
feral verge
yeah its borked
feral verge
i heard that when it's put with warp nexus, it makes it worse or something
feral verge
nah
i have t4 warp flurry ready and waiting
for when they fix it
who's jealous now
feral verge
i've never built a surge staff cuz i dont use surge
cuz i like killing
and surge doesnt kill
trauma and voidstrike
main staffs
shadow wigeon
my beefy crit boi
feral verge
hmm... nice... for a surge...
shadow wigeon
I have since swapped for more quell and +maniacs
ornate hamlet
trauma and voidstrike
My trauma going for critblaze
Havent gotten the roll yet
But Im workin on it
ornate hamlet
I can manage without
feral verge
allowing more spamming and DPS
shadow wigeon
hmm... nice... for a surge...
It's really all I run. Dabble in Purg now and the but I find Surge the most fun. CC for days.
ornate hamlet
I like the idea of crit with that Nuke of a circle then burning anything left alive in it
shadow wigeon
The score is meaningless
You can look at SOME of the raw stats but the computed score means nothing.
olive ember
But I want mah big numbers
safe crystal
Teamwork score is heavily influenced by ammo, yes
shadow wigeon
We also found that scoreboards did not have parity across different players
So hard to say what numbers can even be trusted.
ornate hamlet
Can the trauma staff get the tier for crit chance perk?
still hearth
All weapons can get crit chance perks.
ornate hamlet
\tier four*
feral verge
yes
shadow wigeon
Five minutes of clicking.
Gotta install that mod.
ornate hamlet
She's still saying "The work is complete, and what do we have here?"
I'll get around to the mod
But its a headache I dont wanna deal with rn
shadow wigeon
It's already saved me over 20000 clicks.
safe crystal
Hadron haunts my dreams
unreal sedge
best aoe melee weapon?
shadow wigeon
best aoe melee weapon?
Mk5 Combat Axe my preferred
ornate hamlet
With the blessing "Surge" does that count for secondary fire?
safe crystal
Wowee, those are some nice staves
Looks pretty similar to mine probably, i'll tell you if i decide to actually play today
clear hamlet
what a surprise melk brought no staves again!
leaden thunder
some of them shoot bullets which is very impressive for a stick
shadow wigeon
Nearly flawless
strong radish
gloomy gulch
Different types of staffs don't share blessings right. Also, is surge worth it on a trauma staff?
olive ember
Lol no
gloomy gulch
Thought so
But if suge was shared in trauma and void I would grab the blessing from Melk
olive ember
It’s meh on voidstrike anyways
ornate hamlet
How does surge work?
echo turtle
look at the damage tables
you wanna use it on flak stuff
or if CC will make a nasty fight safer sometimes thats good
deny disablers, bursters and muties
feral verge
idk how some people have no concept of sticking togther during ohund waves
olive ember
How does surge work?
When you crit you fire extra projectiles
Only problem is that it only works on lmb for trauma and for voidstrike their base crit is 5%
olive ember
What' the best staff? I'
Purgatus and Surge are the easiest (flamethrower and lightning) one is close range horde clear the other is no damage all CC against specials and stuff
Voidstrike if you like playing bowling ball
Trauma if you like explosions
unreal sedge
What' the best staff? I'
fire = good vs hordes, but ragers can get to you, need to move backwards vs em
lightning = cc for days, but only does dmg to carapace or flak armored enemies (decent one too) , other enemy just cc, still amazing, can stun mutant mid charge, or make burster fall without exploding
void = like fire staff, but ranged, aim a bit above heads to count as headshoots, and it will cleave through the whole horde, you need the "quell on weakspot" to make it shien
trauma = xD
spice veldt
i don't recommend using trauma at lower levels because of the huge ass stat scaling it has
unreal sedge
did they fix trauma 8rending?
feral verge
trauma is really good tho once at higher levels
spice veldt
they updated the description to be correct
unreal sedge
wasn't it bugged somehow don't remember how exactly
spice veldt
the only bug was that the description said rending instead of brittleness
there was also another general bug with rending/brittleness lowering your damage if your weapon dealt >100% damage against a particular armour type that was fixed
unreal sedge
isn't both +rending and brittleness teamwide ? and just % rending for yourself
olive ember
trauma is really good tho once at higher levels
Every staff is good at higher levels kek
unreal sedge
also, melk is craked after the rework (or i'm lucky) so many 360-375 items
olive ember
All of them guns none of em staffs
feral verge
didnt say the others were bad or not good
i mentioned trauma staff was good because oberon said it was 'xD' implying it was a meme staff
which is not true anymore
and arcotash didnt reccomend using it at low levels
ornate hamlet
When you crit you fire extra projectiles
what about secondary
feral verge
didnt want to give the noobie the impression that it's a bad staff
spice veldt
surge shoots out a second projectile for voidstrike but does nothing for trauma's secondary
and i believe it shoots out an uncharged projectile for voidstrike
cold geode
t4 precog worth spending melk bux on for duelling sword?
safe crystal
No, precog is terrible
spice veldt
i will eat your children if you buy it
marble yarrow
Looks like they finally fixed warp flurry this update, didn't even mention it.
cold geode
oh?
marble yarrow
now if they could fix/change warp nexus to not give the last 10% when above 97 peril
feral verge
warp flurry on purga and surge?
viral solstice
its c alled stonk
feral verge
@marble yarrow
olive ember
Looks like they finally fixed warp flurry this update, didn't even mention it.
Did they?
marble yarrow
it's worked since update
feral verge
on what
marble yarrow
i've used it on surge, purg and void today
feral verge
on void and trauma it's been working
olive ember
Which update are you talking about
marble yarrow
no, it wasnt on void
feral verge
yeah it was working on void
marble yarrow
they've said that it's been fixed in 2 separate patches, it wasn't until today
feral verge
it's 1000% been working on void and trauma
i've been using nothing but void since i got back into the game mid february
only now i've been fucking around with trauma
olive ember
marble yarrow
before, the bar would move faster on void/surge but your cast time wasnt actually faster
olive ember
Post from 2 days ago
marble yarrow
now its actually casting at 1 second and not 2 on void
olive ember
If it wasn’t fixed with the mini patch today then it wasn’t fixed
olive ember
And voidstrike and trauma to my knowledge have always worked
marble yarrow
void did not, the charge bar moved faster but there was a delay on casts so you still casted at 2 seconds
now the bar moves faster and you cast at 1 second
olive ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
The people who use voidstrike daily said it always worked
Either way it works now so yay for that
marble yarrow
anyways, they work now.. havent tried out trauma and won't.. because trauma is garbage
olive ember
Trauma is good now
feral verge
trauma fucks
marble yarrow
i have a 378 trauma with 5% crit/25 flak and 8 brittleness, i refuse to use it
rocky cedar
That's fine you don't have to like or use it but it's good
marble yarrow
id rather use surge
marble yarrow
especially now that warp flurry works on it
feral verge
surge is best at keeping the enemy alive
feral verge
other staffs? they CC AND kill
marble yarrow
just not good vs unarmored, which is why someone on your team does that
marble yarrow
if you look at scoreboards.. purg and void do the same damage as surge
but without the lockdown cc
i thought surge was garbage until i started using scoreboard mods and the damage was comparable
feral verge
when i checked scoreboards with surge players, i noticed they floated around 100k damage
and void was 200~
feral verge
Warp flurry doesn’t work on surge
did you test
olive ember
There’s proof from 5 days ago I legit linked it
olive ember
I’ll run it when I get home ig
marble yarrow
warp flurry works
safe crystal
Wowee, thank goodness the scoreboard damage gives you the exact split of what damage you dealt between staves, BB and melee!
safe crystal
The scoreboard damage is the least reliable of the stats
feral verge
Wowee, thank goodness the scoreboard damage gives you the exact split of what da...
true
dawn crypt
so lightning staff is the best?
feral verge
it's up to your personal choice
marble yarrow
if your team has wave clear then yes
olive ember
so lightning staff is the best?
Literally every staff is good
marble yarrow
well when you only play with the same 5-8 people and only run damnation
olive ember
So yeah choose which one you like the most
marble yarrow
it's easy to coordinate
dawn crypt
how do u guys get burst 5 specials in 12 seconds?
feral verge
you need kinetic barrage
olive ember
Technically you don’t it’s just super tight
marble yarrow
i learned that purg damage often gets cannibalized by flamer damage
spice veldt
flamer is better yup
marble yarrow
like you don't need flamer and purg... if you have a flamer in group.. purg doesnt do much
olive ember
how do u guys get burst 5 specials in 12 seconds?
Take kinetic barrage, BB first target normally, the moment it dies use ability and activate KB and kill 4 more. It takes like 8 seconds to kill 5 elites so you have 4 seconds of leeway
olive ember
like you don't need flamer and purg... if you have a flamer in group.. purg does...
Flamers getting nerfed so start trying out purge
unreal sedge
purg is the "we have flamer at home"
marble yarrow
they are not nerfing flamers... if they would... then they wouldnt have buffed quickflame, blaze away, and overpressure
feral verge
i'ma put this bad boy on. let's see
leaden thunder
they said in the same post they are looking at flamers being too strong
olive ember
They legit went “we think flamers are overtuned, we are going to rework it”
marble yarrow
focused channeling not needed, warp flurry /warp nexus is the combo you want
cyan notch
feral verge
focused channeling not needed, warp flurry /warp nexus is the combo you want
do you read
olive ember
Ima test if flurry works with nexus now and yeah If it works I got what I’m swapping out
safe crystal
Man, did you do a test or do i need to do one again? AFAIK, flurry works with purg if you do 3 insta RMBs, giving you zero benefits
marble yarrow
just sucks that warp nexus, the last 2 5% breakpoints are at 97%, so you will only be getting the first 10% at 30/50 peril
they need to change it to 30/50/70/90
unreal sedge
they need to change it to 30/50/70/90
how is it now?
marble yarrow
30/50/97/97
feral verge
warp flurry on purga appears to be working
limber silo
Ez
feral verge
the bar seems to be filling faster
i put warp flurry iv on mine
been waiting for the fix to come
olive ember
No delay or any BS?
feral verge
seemingly no
olive ember
Kk
feral verge
but im not using a timer or anything
marble yarrow
you dont need the timer for purg
only with surge/void
you get the full bar and the long channel attack
spice veldt
you can also count the peril% consumed during charge
marble yarrow
with purg
spice veldt
since warp flurry doesn't modify the peril% generation per second while charging
marble yarrow
yah it costs less peril now to charge and use purg
because warp flurry actually works
unreal sedge
to stack flurry, do you need full charges?
outer nest
feral verge
to stack flurry, do you need full charges?
nope
unreal sedge
or just spam right click 5 times = 50%
marble yarrow
you can't quell to stack charges
feral verge
rip. precognition is bad
unreal sedge
do i also need to hold right click all the time?
marble yarrow
it has to be consecutive charged attacks, but you can use combat ability without reseting warp flurry
limber silo
Idk why you guys have issues with purge charge time. If you hold rmb the charge starts before the end animation is finished, so by the time you can start casting again, you already have 20ish charge up
spice veldt
RMB must be held down at all times for flurry to be maintained
outer nest
rip. precognition is bad
oof, the one that I replaced wasn't better either.
spice veldt
i'm curious as to what you replaced
feral verge
you want bloodthirsty, slaughterer, or deflector
unreal sedge
30/50/97/97
at least is a 10% crit, better than nothing i guess
or 20% and then you explode or ult
limber silo
Uncanny Strike is nice too
outer nest
i'm curious as to what you replaced
I don't remember. By the way, I'm still learning how to be a good Psyker, I'm more a Veteran guy.
marble yarrow
or shred/executor
viral solstice
a special headshot fully stacks uncanny too
limber silo
Not as many ticks as chainsword tho
viral solstice
high techmology
safe crystal
Purg flurry is still fucked. You get to cast one full charge with flurry, then it goes back to 0 stacks even if you hold RMB and dont quell in between. You need to do very quick puffs to even get to max flurry, and in that time, would be already preparing your second full charge
viral solstice
u only need 3 ticks to full stack blazing spirit
limber silo
It's only two ticks before the big damage for fs
cyan notch
yea they havent fixed the delay
marble yarrow
Purg flurry is still fucked. You get to cast one full charge with flurry, then i...
do you not run inner tanquility, it should be rather easy to do full charge & spam to get 5 stacks without the need to quell. Also, you can use your combat ability without it breaking charges
cyan notch
pretty obvious when you use a grey purg
safe crystal
do you not run inner tanquility, it should be rather easy to do full charge & sp...
??? It doesnt increase your cast speed. Thats completely irrelevant
cyan notch
your min charges with non flurry lasts way longer and u can see the bar filling up more before you fire
olive ember
Every patch is the “does warp flurry work now” song and dance
dawn crypt
Take kinetic barrage, BB first target normally, the moment it dies use ability a...
wow i feel like i have 1-2 seconds of leeway
safe crystal
I keep getting baited with these hot takes
cyan notch
i mean i wouldnt assume its fixed unless they said so
olive ember
Are you using the ability before you get your first kill?
dawn crypt
Are you using the ability before you get your first kill?
Yeah I make sure to be under 10% peril first, then i BURST 1 + use special ability then try to burst more
marble yarrow
you cant use uncharged puffs, it has to be consecutive charged attacks
spice veldt
LMBs proc warp flurry
olive ember
The staff special procs warp flurry
dawn crypt
Problem is, people kill my targets or I run out of specials to burst, or accidentally lockon to a small zombie
olive ember
Problem is, people kill my targets or I run out of specials to burst, or acciden...
Yeah easiest way tbh is to get a premade
So they won’t kill specials/elites
marble yarrow
comms plex, after that mini event, after the elevators called there's always a 5 elite shotgun or gunner spawn in the previous room
that's the easiest place to get it
and a premade helps
dawn crypt
U guys all finished urs?
spice veldt
i'm waiting for solo privates to finish mines (if it ever gets implemented)
olive ember
Basically ran into a group of shotgunners and yeah they stood around while I BB em
feral verge
i have all mine done
olive ember
Can’t be assed to do my alt penances tho
viral solstice
btw for those wondering what the correct warp peril thresholds should be
it should be 0.3/0.5/0.8/0.97
and i t is... in the default profile
but psyker overrides it and has the following
extreme and critical threshold are the same
marble yarrow
i'm guessing there's overlap in the way coding was done for the plasma gun
or something
marble yarrow
and they just forgot to change the extreme threshold for psykers
viral solstice
not with force sword
eg
which is why unstable power good on force sword because u can press weapon special at whatever, hit 100 peril and not die while slapping somebody with full power bonus
spice veldt
BB is really the only ability that kills you at 97% and above
you can finish the cast on staffs at 99%
marble yarrow
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/warp-nexus-blessing-scales-incorrectly-with-peril/76292 it's been posted on, and acknowledged... just not sure when it's going to be changed
viral solstice
i reported it a couple weeks ago
but idk when it was passed on
i love that u can fs special at 99% tho
he'll yea
olive ember
Our best bet is to wait for the major update LateMarchTM
spice veldt
0% warp resistance force sword hell yeah
marble yarrow
the warp resis on the force sword only determines how much the special costs
viral solstice
ye warp res extremely pointless on fs
spice veldt
ye
spice veldt
i just meant that casting at 99% renders warp resistance basically useless
viral solstice
oh yeah but also the default regen tick
comes just as u get out of the last one lol
spice veldt
of course, i'd still want 51% warp res (24.60%) so that I can cast three times from 50%
being able to snipe 3 melee elites in a row after ulting at 100% sounds pretty good to me
cyan notch
yea but ur not always just heavy specialing
sometimes u just wanna kill one dude and continue using your staff
viral solstice
i mean
cyan notch
but then if urs is too high suddenly you have a bunch of peril
viral solstice
maybe u only want to kill one dude
but i set my sights higher
im killing 2.. maybe 3 dudes
marble yarrow
only time i use force sword is for ragers/mutants
viral solstice
A SECOND
olive ember
It’s decent against maulers and crushers
viral solstice
yeah they added that lil knockback early on
because ppl were like pls my force sword specials gettin annoyed by poxies
marble yarrow
generally maulers and crushers dont run towards me
forest coral
U stick it in them like that nope button
spice veldt
i run towards maulers and crushers
viral solstice
look im not trying to be rude
but have u considered that ur giving off unapproachable vibes
spice veldt
can't beat them up without approaching them
olive ember
Bullshit
spice veldt
if you dodge-slide backwards while heavy-special-ing a poxburster, you are far enough away to not get hit by the explosion radius
cyan notch
yeah but thats really hard to do and pushing em is easier
olive ember
why can't they stay the fuck away from me
spice veldt
what if i'm at 0% stamina
olive ember
pew pew
viral solstice
spice veldt
what if my style points for the mission are very low
olive ember
PEW
spice veldt
what if i really want to proc bloodthirsty
forest coral
Mutants love to grab me
Even if it involves ignoring 3 other team mates in front of me
And just phasing through them like they don’t exist
spice veldt
marble yarrow
i'm trying to figure out what's happening there
viral solstice
i dont even bother interacting with poxbursters
if they wanna burst on me they can
marble yarrow
its like he continues his jump even with the force sword special is in him
viral solstice
im just done giving them attention
sry poxbursters but ur act is stale
get outta here
spice veldt
yeah the stagger takes a bit before it gets applied to the poxburster
marble yarrow
i remember when you could always combat ability to push them mid jump, not sure why they changed that last major update
cyan notch
u can
marble yarrow
i haven't gotten it to work since that last update, i've stopped trying
it doesnt even stagger them for me when they are running
and i meant combat ability, n ot force push
cyan notch
works best when theyre jumping mid air imo
though if they got that stagger immunity garbage then yea ur fucked
i only save ult for last resort
marble yarrow
most reliable way to deal with them now it just to push them back before jump and kill them
spice veldt
when they're running, you need warp charges to stagger them with your ult
without warp charges, your ult only staggers them mid-jump
viral solstice
u know what never fails
viral solstice
magic stik
spice veldt
you're right; i can always special them with my force sword
marble yarrow
i do want to try that force special on them now
lethal folio
You don't need to charge force sword to do that
viral solstice
over 50% charge on voidstrike hard ccs them btw
literally 100%
no matter what theyre doing
lethal folio
hell you don't even need to heavy attack
spice veldt
2nd light and 3rd light stagger the poxburster midjump, but not the 1st light; interesting
oh nvm the 1st light works
viral solstice
and when i say u can do it late
i mean u can be outrageously late
i mean charging when they begin jumping late
spice veldt
the outer radius of the trauma staff also knocks them back midjump
lethal folio
Whoops I got exploded out of the psykanium arena
viral solstice
also
u dont even need to move after knocking them down
because u can just restagger them
spice veldt
another thing for you to do when you're the last man standing and your teammates are spectating i suppose
viral solstice
i mean its legit useful when u got no space behind u
because u can choose where it goes off
and u can knock it away from ur teammates
wide tiger
im on my vet right now watching psyker chat talk about how to cc poxbursters, meanwhile i just delete with gun
viral solstice
alas delete with gun next to teammate
perhaps not most appreciated move
tho ill do it
spice veldt
smh not knocking bursters back
wide tiger
unless they're at the door
viral solstice
spice veldt
imagine not being cool
wide tiger
imagine being a vet and not needing to melee anything ever :p
cyan notch
oh nvm the 1st light works
light 1 doesnt work if u headshot them lmao but bodyshot works
spice veldt
ahhh
wide tiger
Also doesnt trauma just do the same
spice veldt
tf does it do less stagger on weakspots or some shit
wide tiger
delete poxburster
spice veldt
yeah but that's boring
wide tiger
ohhhkaaay
spice veldt
you can also use the outer radius to knock poxbursters back
viral solstice
voidstrike hitbox is so big
if u release it on hearing pounce
it will protect u from dogs
behind u
cyan notch
tf does it do less stagger on weakspots or some shit
seems to be only a l1 problem
spice veldt
gamebreaking
lethal folio
You don't have uncanny strike do you?
spice veldt
i also sometimes just instantly explode the burster on hitting it
nay
this is with my bloodthirsty + slaughterer fs
spice veldt
what have you got
viral solstice
one sec
wide tiger
herpes
viral solstice
waiting for this slow ass upload
i live in centre of london and this street cant get faster than 45 down 7 up
ok here ug o
timber hornet
Should I have changed the unyielding trait instead?
spice veldt
Should I have changed the unyielding trait instead?
fyi weakspot dmg is actually not that good https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/counterfire-is-still-not-applying-the-correct-amount-of-weakspot-damage/75377/4
viral solstice
timber hornet
What would you suggest?
viral solstice
ok there we go with embed
spice veldt
my personal preference is +maniac for mutants and dreg ragers
spice veldt
holy shit
voidstrike op
it is hilarious that the healthbars apparently do not catch up to the hounds
viral solstice
see ppl kept saying
"no its just a bug ur not making it happen"
but i did it like 20x in last 2 days
it was mind bullets all along
i KNEW it
spice veldt
you never know
cyan notch
no its just a bug ur not making it happen
robust badge
me
spice veldt
are you even real?
viral solstice
but i will not let them win... i will show them all.... im the dog launcher....
cyan notch
i wonder why they die though
viral solstice
too high
cyan notch
usually when they skyrocket they just land after awhile with full hp
viral solstice
above navmesh
and they get culled
i think they probs tightened the culling to stop them going into orbit previously
spice veldt
according to a fatshark dev, "rocket dogs aren't necessarily because of faulty physics collision but some case of them being killed mid pounce while pouncing in unfavourable positions or when we link the dog to the player at which point velocities can be very high..."
whatever that means