there is other ways
#psyker-class
leaden thunder
sonic coral
ah neat
rich rose
k I'll try that, didn't know that
sonic coral
for windows, Winkey+Shift+S will clip anything
I just use that as I hate steam's screenie system
devout axle
Reposting this from last night. (Wrong link, fixed)
https://strawpoll.com/polls/Q0ZpR7K4GnM
long wharf
Why do you keep posting polls?
rich rose
Because Psykers like polls? 😛
grizzled jasper
Where’s the laser staff 
forest coral
I like dancing with my poles yes
devout axle
Why do you keep posting polls?
Its the same poll. And its fun.
long wharf
It's not.
long wharf
You don't have to repost it either
devout axle
To get as much input as possible, I do.
near gale
Makes sense, the rip damage already does pretty good damage against armored enemies
rocky phoenix
long wharf
this shit belongs somewhere else
viral solstice
trauma staff
should have aoe bleed
for real
its literally called trauma staff
long wharf
trauma staff should leave a patch of warpfire on the ground
long wharf
nyet
viral solstice
da
long wharf
NYET
clear hamlet
its literally called trauma staff
restive slate
Hello has anyone tested force sword blazing spirit blessing?
copper raft
long wharf
alt-account?
copper raft
no just a poll enthusiast
long wharf
I'm sure you are.
twilit flicker
Hello has anyone tested force sword blazing spirit blessing?
I have, with bloodthirsty. I posted a video, search my username and flip back a few pages.
It's awesome, except for infested ...
devout axle
I'm sure you are.
You really are just a bucket of fun, aren't you.
restive slate
Infected have resistance?
twilit flicker
Yeah, it melts everything in my example except the pox walkers
ornate hamlet
Just how much damage does the psyker self-splosion deal, anyway?
restive slate
Is it the Ius auto pistol vid?
twilit flicker
Just how much damage does the psyker self-splosion deal, anyway?
Not enough to make it a fun strategy to employ when given the chance.
I don't have a solid number to give, forgive me
copper raft
You really are just a bucket of fun, aren't you.
it's official, i'm your alt account
devout axle
Great, now I have two dopplegangers in this chat. The Inquisition is gonna lynch me.
restive slate
Oooh just saw the Soulblaze vid
Is that 100% chance crit after special blessing for only one attack or for a duration?
twilit flicker
5 seconds
spice veldt
I'm not a doppelganger if I am you
restive slate
Magnificent, I wanna build it
devout axle
I'm not a doppelganger if I am you
But are you also Gamer General is the real question.
spice veldt
nice identity crisis but I'm sure you'll come to terms one day
feral verge
@solemn ibex
t4 warpflurry takes priority
warp resistance is the dumpstat
these are the 'best in slot' blessings
olive ember
Does it tho
uneven drift
Blast radius usually since it have very little impact.
frosty mulch
Do you animation cancel your blasts?
viral solstice
no cancel culture is out of hand
frosty mulch
Ha!
feral verge
with just transfer peril 3
you can spam voidstrike for forever, almost
and when you cant? just ult
no quelling necessary
spice veldt
and quelling will drop flurry stacks
feral verge
so warp resistance unnecessary
frosty mulch
I haven't seen that blessing on any of my rolls yet. One day rng bless me.
spice veldt
blast radius and warp res (if running transfer Peril) are generally the least important stats yeah
I personally prefer blast radius as my dumpster since I don't like the Voidstrike throwing enemies around
frosty mulch
Giving up warp nexus for it. Is the trade-off worth losing the damage
feral verge
i'd much rather get to spam with no down time
spice veldt
the crit dmg multiplier on Voidstrike secondaries is not too good
olive ember
Giving up warp nexus for it. Is the trade-off worth losing the damage
Yes crit on voidstrike isn’t that good
frosty mulch
Ult with the ult cool down on elite kills
olive ember
Psyker has base of 5% crit
spice veldt
and warp nexus is bugged in that you get the last 2 stacks at 97% peril
frosty mulch
Dang
olive ember
Warp nexus is 0/5/10/20% crit at something like 0/50/97/97
frosty mulch
How do people learn these bugs
olive ember
Datamining
spice veldt
yeah, the blessings on staffs are not very competitive
people who looked into code spreading the good info here
olive ember
But yeah the main reason you take nexus on the purge and surge is because they have special effects when they crit
frosty mulch
Sure, but how? Impressive to me.
long osprey
Using this combined with surge staff, its pretty neat as surge do not really have a problem for big mobs:
olive ember
Purge applies two stacks of dot and surge has an increased stun
They also both apply multiple times per target cuz purge is a flamethrower and surge ticks like 4x a target
frosty mulch
I have been looking at the mk I claw for the sweeping attack pattern
olive ember
Using this combined with surge staff, its pretty neat as surge do not really hav...
Ngl claw swords are kinda meh across the board
Try out an antax
feral verge
or be a dueling sword chad
frosty mulch
Looks like a cleave monster...for psyker
long osprey
Try out an antax
I did and i use it when i use purgatorius staff
olive ember
🤔
olive ember
Devils claw is… well when I bring it into damnation it’s trash XD
I think it took me like 40 seconds to kill 4 of those dreg buckethead grunts
I was just bashing away at their heads and they refused to die
frosty mulch
Try out an antax
Another I'm trying to get. I got what should be a good Rashad. But killing on weak spots is rare.
long osprey
Its one shot kill for bucket boys with a heavy strike
spice veldt
claw lights have really shit armour modifiers against flak
long osprey
With my devil claw sword
olive ember
Its one shot kill for bucket boys with a heavy strike
On damnation?
olive ember
I mean damnation is just heresy with like 30% more stats
frosty mulch
I was just bashing away at their heads and they refused to die
"You're hitting armor!" Lol
olive ember
Actually heresy had bugged spawns not sure if they fixed
runic gate
What's the dumpstat on firestaff?
devout axle
Warp Resistance
spice veldt
warp res is my preferred dumpster on purg
why does it autocorrect dump stat into dumpster
runic gate
Rumor on the streets is damage is the dump stat.
olive ember
Depends on who you ask
long osprey
Gonna test damnation after my meeting, hope random groups are better than on heresy<
olive ember
they should probably?
feral verge
I mean damnation is just heresy with like 30% more stats
is that true
olive ember
Tbh burn and warp resist are both kinda meh
feral verge
do enemies have 30% more hp
olive ember
That’s how someone described it
I just don’t rly care at this point
When I moved from heresy to damnation the only thing noticeably different for me was how shooters stripped armor in like two shots
spice veldt
I think the scaling differs a little from enemy to enemy but it's around that scale
olive ember
Tbh I’ve gotten to the point where I play this game to pass time and yeah
I’m like super spaced out when I play
Legit don’t realize it’s high int damn half the time until like maybe 50% through the map
frosty mulch
When I moved from heresy to damnation the only thing noticeably different for me...
And melee knocks half your health and likes to sync their attacks.
olive ember
^^ it’s easier with the toughness change
Keep your toughness up keep your health up basically
And when you take a hit just quickly kill something to restore toughness
Prob why I dislike the claw
That thing can’t kill for shit
Compared to something like the antax which can light attack one hit
frosty mulch
I think the scab shooters do extra damage to health too. So if they shoot you and toughness has broken, it's going to hurt.
olive ember
I forget exactly tbh
Ik someone mentioned I think gunners and reapers shred your health once toughness is gone
spice veldt
moreso that stalkers deal more damage to toughness but low base damage, whereas scab shooters have a cracked out base damage
reapers do 0.5x damage to toughness, which can be real deceiving when your toughness breaks
olive ember
And then we have shotgunners
spice veldt
there's a reddit post outlining the enemy damage, but I'm not on my desktop
feral verge
shotgunners are scary
frosty mulch
The reapers are annoying. Once they start supressing the team it's a bit chaotic.
olive ember
Psykers job to take em out half the time
frosty mulch
shotgunners are scary
Oh, yeah. Two of them synced and you are dead.
spice veldt
though psykers are decent against them because the LMB on our staves instantly stagger them
frosty mulch
Psykers job to take em out half the time
Reapers?
olive ember
Yep
The autopistol zealot and vets def suck at killing em
So yeah psyker KB moment
frosty mulch
Yep
No, takes too long. My vet with my headhunter takes them down in 2 - 3 seconds (14 - 18 bullets) depending on how much I keep recoil on the head. Plus I suppress them. Psyker doesn't supress reapers fast enough for others to join in.
Psyker is better for bulwark to drop their shield
olive ember
Meh
A good zealot should be dispatching the bulwarks anyways
And you can do both tbh
Also you are saying 14-18 bullets
Gl landing that when 3 reapers are spraying the team
frosty mulch
Each class can fill multiple roles.
olive ember
I surge staff bulwarks, open em up. Press F open em up again and then BB the reapers
And if the bulwarks are still alive I do a disappointment sigh and switch back to my surge staff
frosty mulch
Gl landing that when 3 reapers are spraying the team
I've done it. I have to pop my ability for the damage boost for things like that abd toss a grenade or two.
olive ember
Idk my experience is that my team members can’t kill reapers for shit
So I have to BB them
spice veldt
I run trauma so I usually clear the shooters around reapers; and I only ever BB reapers at the end of engagements or if it's starting to get drawn out
frosty mulch
If I am dealing with a lot of range, I am not on a team that matches well with my play style.
unborn drift
can you get going out with a bang with the hounds from the modifiers? I got 5+ of them in a go and i didn't get the penance
spice veldt
reapers are really just annoying for the fact that they move forward, so they need to be killed if they're about to break our cover
olive ember
can you get going out with a bang with the hounds from the modifiers? I got 5+ o...
Specials don’t count towards out with a bang
frosty mulch
I find they supress the ranged people it can lead to the ranged getting out of hand.
unborn drift
AH so it needs to be dregs and scabs?
spice veldt
oh yeah, with the trauma staff, the outer radius interrupts their salvo so I don't usually think too much about leaving reapers alive
olive ember
I mean my BB priorities are basically Sniper > bomber > trapper > shotgunner > gunner > other specials > reaper = bulwark = crusher > shooters
spice veldt
I just hope that my bullet staff teammates kill the reapers quickly enough
olive ember
AH so it needs to be dregs and scabs?
Basically, your best bet is to blow up a bunch of shotgunners
unborn drift
ah, thanks! I've been trying to do it by the elevator in that one mission but people never really cooperate and 1 usually dies before I can group them
spice veldt
The midevent of commsplex is my map choice to get that penance
unborn drift
yeah that's the one!
frosty mulch
Bombers are the worst. Snipers you can take cover. Bombers push you out of cover. Also split the squad. They give me the most headaches.
olive ember
Eh bombers are way ez to stagger
spice veldt
fuckers have such a short interval on their bombs
I swear to God that they didn't rapidfire bombs this much before
olive ember
Press F in their general direction when you hear the lines and watch the grenade drop at their feet
Snipers are priority with their bs jank invisilaser instant firing bs
frosty mulch
Same when you see a sniper line and dodge.
olive ember
Instant firing invisilaser
frosty mulch
Sometimes. But I swear bombers surprise bomb too.
spice veldt
the delay before they shoot is fine until you factor in ping
olive ember
I mean 70 ping is enough to cause poxhound jank so
spice veldt
I'm on a constant 120 ping so it sucks real bad
frosty mulch
Oh. I shot one sniper three times, but I guess the server said that I was sniped first. On my screen I should have hit first.
spice veldt
they suck when they catch you at narrow hallways or they throw bombs behind line of sight
olive ember
I mean they are a big deal, ez squishy juicy stat pads
clear hamlet
Idk bombers honestly aren’t that big of a deal to me
When they snipe you through 3 fences and a trap door
olive ember
But in terms of deadliness I find snipers far far worse
long osprey
THe place with the rods that the bombers stand on the bridge and you cant target them behind the railways
spice veldt
I had to run back to bait the bomber to run forward so that I could BB him
olive ember
Ah yeah that one is bad
frosty mulch
Both are easy to kill but both send everyone running more than most enemies.
clear hamlet
I felt like doing drip penance today but apparently game won't let me in
olive ember
Oh another thing is snipers blend in way more
Bombers have a spawn sound, you hear them moving, you hear them prepping a grenade, bright glowy grenade suit, you hear and see the grenade sailing through the air
Snipers just camp in a fucking corner
And then buggy invisilaser bs takes half your hp
noble tusk
Got a question about force sword. It seems to me deflector and uncanny strike would be great perks, but I never see anyone talk about uncanny on this weapon. What am I missing?
clear hamlet
Does jumping before bbing make targeting easier or is it just my impression?
frosty mulch
I've been seeing their beams when they camp today. But I've had them walk through the spawn door already targeting and shooting. That sucks.
noble tusk
Does jumping before bbing make targeting easier or is it just my impression?
It does for me
spice veldt
force sword actually has pretty good armour modifiers on their attacks
noble tusk
force sword actually has pretty good armour modifiers on their attacks
So it's just overkill then?
spice veldt
uncanny pretty much only benefits damage against carapace or the 3rd light
olive ember
Got a question about force sword. It seems to me deflector and uncanny strike wo...
Rending is meh, the FS special doesn’t benefit from it at all
You want slaughterer on your FS that’s like the one perk everyone agrees is amazing
devout axle
Got a question about force sword. It seems to me deflector and uncanny strike wo...
Slaughterer gives Force Sword the damage it lacks. Your Special already penetrates armor, which is what you'll be using to kill Elites anyways.
olive ember
And then deflector is 👌
frosty mulch
Does jumping before bbing make targeting easier or is it just my impression?
You can see over stuff so sometimes.
noble tusk
Rending is meh, the FS special doesn’t benefit from it at all
Thanks guys
olive ember
Like I’m not saying this figuratively btw, apparently FS special literally doesn’t interact with rending
And anything you would need rending on you would probably be using the FS special
solemn ibex
devout axle
Like I’m not saying this figuratively btw, apparently FS special literally doesn...
Rending pushes your weapons armor pen modifier towards 1.0. The Force Sword Special already has a 1.0 on all armor types, so it can't benefit from rending.
Its the same thing with Brittleness.
clear hamlet
You can see over stuff so sometimes.
It's not like my character is a dwarf 
spice veldt
something something how's the weather up there something
gilded viper
We live in a hive, the weather is shit anywhere sibling
spice veldt
i wish I made my character shorter just so that I didn't get shot by ranged when fighting a horde
idk weathers great
clear blue sky
gilded viper
I think they removed short people because of issues with the ai being able to hit them
Leagues of Votann Merc dlc when?
feral verge
i made my character as short as possible
clear hamlet
In the grim darkness of the far future there are no manlets
feral verge
tiny lady. BIG ARMOR
spice veldt
it slipped my mind to shorten my Psyker during character creation
devout axle
Reposting this since its been a few hours.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/Q0ZpR7K4GnM
olive ember
Installing VPN to skew the vote
idle bay
Reposting this since its been a few hours.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/Q0ZpR7K4G...
Wrong name of poll - true name is "What staff to nerf next?" 🙂 I'll vote Trauma just in case
gilded viper
People have a favorite stave? I think least favorite stave would be a better vote tbh
Void or Surge for me, boring af
lethal folio
Short characters have shorter range to use the hacker.
olive ember
Surge is amazing memestrike bleh
gilded viper
I didnt say bad, just not interesting
Blue Fire and Explosions fill brain with feel good juice
maybe that's Nurgle corruption idk
Why isn't Hasshut in 40k? I imagine a lot of people would worship a god of Fire
gilded viper
He does have a fire sword
Maybe big E does have some not stupid in hindsight ideas
Why cant psyker get a fire sword
devout axle
We have one. Its call Blazing Spirit on Force Sword, duh.
olive ember
haha dies
gilded viper
I wonder if psyker's fire talents will be buffed before zealot inevitably gets an fire themed kit, purifier or whatever it'll end up being called.
I'm getting a little annoyed with these tiny insignificant buffs to Wrack and Ruin they're doing every patch
olive ember
Idk the zealots are currently torn over the fact that the flamer is too powerful
spice veldt
I imagine they'll rework burn/soulblaze
olive ember
I'm getting a little annoyed with these tiny insignificant buffs to Wrack and Ru...
Don’t worry 50 more patches and wrack and ruin will apply 10 stacks over a 100m radius
It will be meta
spice veldt
on one hand, they recognize that Soulblaze can be really strong given these micro-adjustments to wrack & ruin
on the other hand, purgatus exists
olive ember
Idk I just find it hilarious that zealots are complaining that their weapon are too powerful
spice veldt
well they're not talking from the perspective of using the flamer
but having a teammate that uses the flamer as well
olive ember
Idk my friend uses the flamer and yeah they aren’t particularly happy about the flamer getting reworked
So that’s one more vet to add to my group
spice veldt
woohoo
olive ember
Aka my group went from 1 vet - 2 zealots - 1 psyker
full bane
I like mowing down hordes I hate Flamer Shouty’s, they ruin my fun
olive ember
To 3 vets - 1 psyker
spice veldt
I like meleeing so I hate flamethrowers
olive ember
I hate meleeing so I love flamers
full bane
I used to love the purga but after the Trauma got buffed I never looked back
gilded viper
trauma is fun, can even get blazing spirit if you're that needing of fire
spice veldt
trauma is my anti-ranged until we get a real staff for that
olive ember
trauma is my anti-ranged until we get a real staff for that
They just need to hard buff surge to do 100x damage
And chain to 3x the targets
gilded viper
Surge need to be powerful enough that it would shut off my pc if I overheat
spice veldt
give surge blazing spirit and that would probably help
gilded viper
They just need to hard buff surge to do 100x damage
I'm actually fine with a control focused staff like current surge, I'd rather see a different mk of Surge that focuses on the damage factor instead
spice veldt
another nomanus staff
olive ember
I'm actually fine with a control focused staff like current surge, I'd rather se...
No no surge is weak as shit
Please buff
Lots and lots and lots of buffs
olive ember
People in zealot chat hate surge
gilded viper
why?
olive ember
Because it ruins their Mutie one shots
gilded viper
how does it do that?
olive ember
Cuz it freezes the muties and they can’t compensate lmao
gilded viper
?
spice veldt
I also hate surge for ruining my FS specials
olive ember
Idk there are people who think surge needs more damage and that it’s weak af
gilded viper
give surge blazing spirit and that would probably help
Yah why doesn't the crit focused stave have blazing spirit lol
olive ember
And hey I’m down for buffs to my main staff
lunar hollow
i dont mind surge depending on how its used
spice veldt
no synergy allowed for psyker
I just don't like surge psykers who play too overly safe
olive ember
I just don't like surge psykers who play too overly safe
You would hate playing with me
wide tiger
I mean i fucking hate surgery
spice veldt
like freezing a mutant 10m away in a flame/psyker comp
spice veldt
I'm fine with it now since I just run ahead of my team
spice veldt
I'm going to surge all over you
spice veldt
buff quicken to give movement speed. so that I can be a cool zealot
olive ember
And then it will be balanced
spice veldt
sugrgeggegge
the cleave limit and shit damage is a real stinky aspect of surge
but it also aims for you so I'm fine with that
gilded viper
also total stun effect
spice veldt
just needs more staffs
gilded viper
yah
robust badge
you could say the staff department is...understaffed
gilded viper
It's damage seems fine, it also isn't really a damage focused weapon to begin with
I mean, stop using it on non flak 
./s
spice veldt
God gave you a melee weapon
gilded viper
^
I mean not eating 3 crushers overheads due to insane shock therapy is pretty hot ngl
and like m5 ax/force sword/mk5 dueling sword are literally right there
Ngl kinda want to know what they using it on that they can't kill, cause most elite have flak and kinda die in 3-4 charges
Unless they horde spaming and praying to god
maybe a lot of dreg ragers? lol
Don't it have decent manic damage too (being serious I forgot the numbers)
Idk
viral solstice
olive ember
Hello crab
spice veldt
what thoughts lurk in that tiny angry crab?
lucid terrace
Lust
olive ember
As you can see we are talking by about how surge staff needs to do 100x the damage it currently does and hit 3x more targets
Then it will be balanced
lucid terrace
Have you mentioned buffing trauma even more tho?
spice veldt
maybe 98x
viral solstice
psyker is op
particularly gun psyker
we must nerf
was testing a mg1a lasgun in mg
took it into a hi 5 by accident
viral solstice
it was too good
spice veldt
oohhh nooo what if they nerf Psyker by removing all guns
wide tiger
Make it do 0 damage, make it cc everything in front of you, and make the enemies immune to damage while under the cc effect so you can play true cc simulator for hours while the rest of your team mates do the mission
lucid terrace
oohhh nooo what if they nerf Psyker by removing all guns
How terrible
gilded viper
Psyker should have a staff in it's starting kit honestly
Instill reddit start making "why psyker op" thread this clas is forever the weakest 
And bring the shotgun back ffs
olive ember
Make it do 0 damage, make it cc everything in front of you, and make the enemies...
Yo pog I’d love that
spice veldt
heavens, only force weapons in the shop?
olive ember
Press a CC button in one hand
viral solstice
i also think psyker does too many damages with warpfire
they need to stop that
purely make it visuals only
also remove staff melee its too good
replace with more gun
spice veldt
make it visuals only like the surge staff lmao
gilded viper
oohhh nooo what if they nerf Psyker by removing all guns
I'll delete my psyker and go back to zealot
viral solstice
u pull out a boltpistol
olive ember
outdamage XII vet and flamer zealot this prove psyker need nerf
SMH flamer needs buff
They aren’t carrying hard enough
spice veldt
I'll delete my psyker and go back to zealot
smh
gilded viper
With how often I end up with double psykers in diff 4/5, underpowered or not, it clearly is popular (anecdotal evidence doesn't mean much though)
wide tiger
Need a mission with 2 shieldgryns and 2 surge staffers, then we take bets on who tops the damage, while they clear through a hi5 for 3 hours
olive ember
I mean I ran into another psyker this morning asked what staff and they said gun psyker
And I went “meh screw it I’ll pull out MetaPsykerTM”
spice veldt
Psyker is not a staff
olive ember
And yeah double gunker
gilded viper
Think in my experience ogryn aren't that popular but it might be time of day, one day I saw no vet the next I get them every match
spice veldt
i get vets but I just ignore them in my mind
wide tiger
Honestly, i run into every class plenty
spice veldt
I only like zealot teammates
gilded viper
Ogryn is the least common, but if I end up with them on my team, it's always in pairs
Birds of a feather I guess
I think Ogryn is fun
wide tiger
The real question is how often do you run into ogryns that know what dodging is
gilded viper
The real question is how often do you run into ogryns that know what dodging is
How often do you run into anybody who knows what dodging is, or blocking for that matter?
spice veldt
how often do you
gilded viper
how often do you
10
wide tiger
I think, on average, most non-ogryn players i run into in tier 5 dodge
olive ember
How often do you run into anybody who knows what dodging is, or blocking for tha...
Blocking? Shield ogryn? plants shield in corner
wide tiger
definitely run into those
gilded viper
Blocking? Shield ogryn? *plants shield in corner*
Shield is so weak, it's like they were afraid of what makes FK and IB powerful or something
Bring back infinite cleave shield heavies already
olive ember
IB doesn’t even run shield tho
They run cog or dual hammers XD
I mean they can but
leaden thunder
infinte cleave was terrible
gilded viper
maybe on BW
gilded viper
oh no, I mean the Vermintide 2 shield bash heavy had infinite cleave by default
leaden thunder
ah
gilded viper
Not Ogryn's garbage talent
gilded viper
I don't even know if Infinite cleave on shield heavy by default would make it good
I'm not enough in the know for ogryn meta
gilded viper
Heavy 2 does
olive ember
😄
gilded viper
except on shields and crushers
clear hamlet
Holy fuck I hate purgatus
gilded viper
why?
spice veldt
stole his pension
gilded viper
I guess it can't kill ranged, but other than that, I have no qualms with it
Blue fire pretty
Go for Trauma, feels comfy after buffs
olive ember
I used trauma back in CBT
gilded viper
I used trauma back in CBT
same
olive ember
Don’t think I can go back to it after surge tho
gilded viper
What was the trauma buff?
gilded viper
Wait huh
gilded viper
What was the trauma buff?
Yah you can actually use it more than like twice
spice veldt
reduced peril gen from 47% to about 22% for a full charge at 80%
gilded viper
No way I heard someone complain about peril gain from trauma last week 
spice veldt
not 22% but around that number
gilded viper
I see
olive ember
But a full charge is still like 25-30% easily
gilded viper
I mean, the explosion's stagger doesn't scale with charge
spice veldt
trauma just charges faster than the other staffs, so the peril% per second is faster than the other staffs while charging
gilded viper
so it's always pretty strong
spice veldt
the center stagger doesn't but I'm pretty sure the outer radius does
gilded viper
there is a falloff
spice veldt
the falloff is sharp
epicentre and outer
the outer radius stagger is not enough to throw groaners/poxwalkers if not sufficiently charged
gilded viper
People don't use left click enough with any of the staves I find
gilded viper
both the mind bullets and purge puff are very potent
full bane
I like the trauma because it can deal with hordes and distant shooters pretty effectively
gilded viper
I like the trauma because it can deal with hordes and distant shooters pretty ef...
Yah I've been using it more, I just switch to whatever feels fun atm tho
full bane
Its gotten pretty cozy to use
twilit flicker
What talent is that?
olive ember
Ascendant blaze
gilded viper
What talent is that?
Yah Ascendant Blaze
twilit flicker
Oh ... obviously. I use kinetic barrage, for versatility.
spice veldt
i hate enemy ogryns so I like KB
gilded viper
That's fine, Ascendant Blaze just let's you melt hordes and even the shooters far away, literally one shots on damnation with Soul Battery
7 stacks of soulflame aint no joke
olive ember
6*
gilded viper
I'm pretty sure it's 1+number of warp charges
spice veldt
presumably since 0 stacks still burns enemies
gilded viper
presumably since 0 stacks still burns enemies
huh?
spice veldt
as in AB will still apply soulblaze even with 0 warp charges
near wyvern
But a full charge is still like 25-30% easily
- Use Inner Tranq
- Use Warp Battery
- Have Warp Flurry
- Profit
Warp flurry cuts your charge cost by the same X% because peril gained while charging is peril per second. Less time charging, less peril generated, which is quite significant when your base cost for full charge is ~ 22% and release is 4%.
gilded viper
It tick for 1 damage 
olive ember
1. Use Inner Tranq
2. Use Warp Battery
3. Have Warp Flurry
4. Profit
Warp flurr...
Haha
spice veldt
smh inner tranq
olive ember
Bold of you to assume I have good rng
spice veldt
i love loud noises
olive ember
Warp flurry what’s that?
spice veldt
f
near wyvern
Bold of you to assume I have good rng
If you get a better gaming chair your RNG improves.
olive ember
If you get a better gaming chair your RNG improves.
I’m still using a dell keyboard from the 2000’s
Membrane
twilit flicker
Bold of you to assume I have good rng
That's the blessing for fast charging on staves. Wrong reply, you were asking "what is warp flurry". It's the new drink a McDonald's.
clear hamlet
My first good staff was surge and I think I'm gonna stick with that atm
gilded viper
reasonable
I got a 375 purge as my go to, but I'm getting a few really good traumas
Hoping for one with flurry + Nexus
spice veldt
flurry + focused channelling is my dream trauma
gilded viper
No interrupting is nice, but crit chance go brrr
spice veldt
the real banger about focused channelling is that getting shot at max toughness doesn't stagger you
and bomber nades don't stun you as long as RMB is held down
gilded viper
that's a neat tech
spice veldt
yup
i can stay 0.00001 milleseconds longer near a bomber nade before needing to run away
long osprey
Is warp nexus any good on surge staff or it’s bugged?
spice veldt
warp nexus is bugged in that the last two stacks are given at 97% peril
gilded viper
oh
long osprey
Lol so it’s hard to get non bugged blessings for the surge then
olive ember
Surge you just run nexus and terrifying barrage
And wait for flurry to work and swap out barrage
gilded viper
Maybe it'll get blazing spirit one day
gilded viper
I think digital keyboards are actually the more recent invention
spice veldt
presumably
gilded viper
I can't wait till those silly sci-fi holographic touchscreen keyboards are a thing
sounds awful
supple skiff
no feed back imputs, count me in lmao
sinful stream
Maybe it'll get blazing spirit one day
spice veldt
no dreams here
gilded viper
Dreaming summons the voices that tell us to do funny things
full bane
https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth...
Me with can opener 4 and Confident Strike 4
gilded viper
me with literally 4 anything
gilded viper
I want t4 Deflector
leaden thunder
spice veldt
t4 precog was the first t4 i ever got
gilded viper
or t4 one for ax, Devestating Swing?
gilded viper
t4 precog was the first t4 i ever got
Sad
olive ember
Precog pog
spice veldt
brutal momentum i assume
spice veldt
devastating strike is the crit one for claw/chain weapons that got nerfed to the ground
smh not remembering the 1000 blessings in this game
gilded viper
I remember Deflector, and Slaughterer, can you guess what meta weapon I use?
olive ember
Slab shield
gilded viper
I was under the impression the charged attack felt awful to use
and the cleave was iffy
leaden thunder
has a niche but could use a bump to the cleave distribution
the charge toasts bosses like nothing else
gilded viper
I like my Eviscerator too much
near wyvern
I was under the impression the charged attack felt awful to use
The charged attack stops at the first enemy, given the amount of poxwalkers there is almost always someone going "get down Mr. President"
gilded viper
I need money though for a better one, and I don't play zealot too much atm
leaden thunder
you can jump and smack to get around poxies or other enemies in the way
gilded viper
Here's to hoping for shared resources
spice veldt
wait, do the heavies on TH do 0 damage beyond the 3rd target
if I'm looking at the breakpoint calculator correctly
gilded viper
The cleave is notoriously bad
leaden thunder
yep
spice veldt
oh my god
leaden thunder
it could use that removed
it's such a dumb fucken mechanic
like
it can sweep through like 2+ ragers and a bunch of poixes
when fully ramped
but it will only kill 1 thing
spice veldt
imagine having a 3.5s slaughterer and being completely unable to make full use of it
now I am made very happy
olive ember
You run slaughterer for the CC rly
leaden thunder
also for that moment when you have it full stacked
and a monstrosity makes the poor decison to walk to closely to you
I think the resident Thammer guy in zealot chat managed to actually 2 shot a damn deamon host
gilded viper
That's amazing really, but please stop pulling hosts on damnation, I'm begging you
leaden thunder
I mean
if they two - 3 shot it
idc
it's when they can't
that it becomes an issue
olive ember
Average player says they can’t
olive ember
It’s paired with flamer or autopistol a lot of the times
Let the guns handle most things, hammer for the ogryns n shit
gilded viper
Autopistol not braced autogun?
olive ember
Autopistol got buffed recently
Pretty cracked rn
Autogun is less damage close range but doesn’t rely on god blessings and more range
gilded viper
ah, I actually think zealot uses more varied ranged options than any other class
blazing oak
What’s the average light attack for melee weapons?
olive ember
Both work last j checked
gilded viper
What’s the average light attack for melee weapons?
like damage or whatcha mean?
blazing oak
Damage
gilded viper
Which weapon?
blazing oak
Any weapon. I just want to know what is seen as relatively standard
spice veldt
e.g., lights on the devil claws do jack shit to flak
whereas lights on the force sword are pretty ok against flak
gilded viper
You wanna pull up the weapon and tab in the display, it gives the nitty gritty on the stats
olive ember
Claw sword needs like 5 lights, antax light kills in one
gilded viper
Then there's stuff like a charged force sword which can one shot a mauler with a bodyshot heavy on damnation
olive ember
Yeah numbers check out
olive ember
Yes
gilded viper
yes
olive ember
Depending on weapon
blazing oak
Alright
leaden thunder
for a lot of weapons yes
blazing oak
even with heavies on certain weapons
My Chainaxe is 80% damage roll and a non headshot heavy doesn’t kill ‘em
olive ember
I don’t use chain axe anyone know what it’s like?
spice veldt
my psyker arms are too weak to use chainaxes so I unfortunately don't know
gilded viper
Yah get really comfortable with hitting headshots almost always, except on like Maulers, and maybe the dreg melee guy with a hat
depends on weapon
blazing oak
I don’t use chain axe anyone know what it’s like?
I do, any specific questions
gilded viper
yah mk5 is so silly
olive ember
But yeah just know that a poxwalker on damnation has like 300 hp
I think groaners have like 200 or 250
gilded viper
the power disparity on the power/force/chain weapons is so lop sided
timid storm
Does winding up a charged force sword increase the damage?
blazing oak
When moving around the staff primary orbs feel hard to hit shots with
spice veldt
this is what a Force Sword heavy-bodyshot on a poxwalker looks like
olive ember
Does winding up a charged force sword increase the damage?
Uhhh to an extent I think?
blazing oak
Thrust blessing
gilded viper
Does winding up a charged force sword increase the damage?
charged heavies do more damage yes, can even 1 shot a mauler with a bodyshot on damnation
spice veldt
Does winding up a charged force sword increase the damage?
By default, holding your LMB does not affect the damage of heavies
olive ember
I think it does slightly
spice veldt
Being able to hold your heavies is mostly just for timing your attacks
gilded viper
wait do you mean a heavy vs light or fully charging a heavy?
timid storm
Sorry, I shluldve rephrased, does a heavy charged do more than a light charged?
Shouldve*
gilded viper
yes
olive ember
Yes
timid storm
Oh got it
near wyvern
I think it does slightly
Depends on weapon
olive ember
Light charge is significantly faster animation tho
gilded viper
Force Sword breakpoints are wacky in a fun way
blazing oak
I once kept missing a infestor tendril pustule node with the staff primary
olive ember
Thrust blessing
Thrust blessing on staff?
timid storm
I want a BB buff fr
gilded viper
can 1 shot a scab rager with force sword charged light
near wyvern
There are like only a couple weapons where the heavies have 2 damage values depending on how long you charge it but I don't recall which ones those were
blazing oak
Thrust blessing on staff?
Nah man I want a cleave blessing in staff for the special attack
timid storm
3 or 4 shots to kill an ogryn is busted
olive ember
Ah yeah staff specials are useless
gilded viper
ah yes the melee
blazing oak
They wouldn’t be useless, if melee weapons took more time to draw
near wyvern
Ah yeah staff specials are useless
No no. You can use then to proc Transfer Peril or charge Warp Flurry
Profit. /s
olive ember
Lmao
gilded viper
give me a gun special on my purge
spice veldt
what the fuck
blazing oak
If my melee weapon took time to equip, the special could be useful to knock them back and then switch
spice veldt
the special procs flurry?
gilded viper
just gat somebody with a laspistol
summer prairie
they do but it's too slow unless you are waiting for something
gilded viper
the special procs flurry?
you can charge it so I guess
near wyvern
the special procs flurry?
Adds stacks, but the first RMB after is bugged. Go slap a mob with special 4 times, do a quick RMB after and then a full RMB.
blazing oak
Special attack proccing kinetic flayer is very satisfying though
near wyvern
Be amazed.
spice veldt
oh my lord
near wyvern
Actually you don't even need to hit anything with the staff special. You can just swing air 4 times as well
spice veldt
psykers punching air rn
near wyvern
Gotta go all you can for that extra percentage
near wyvern
It's what separates grand masters from rookies.
spice veldt
well i'm glad to know this for the niche situation to blast a beast of nurgle when they spawn
gilded viper
It’s the somatic component
This is why you go sorcerer for that still spell metamagic
blazing oak
Using surge on dregs after a while of scabs feels like hitting a brick wall
near wyvern
Sibling, why are you swinging your staff in air?
You have a long journey ahead, young one.
olive ember
Great new trauma staff tech
gilded viper
every staff tech
feral verge
forcesword does not have thrust
spice veldt
there's no other staff besides the trauma
summer prairie
didn't feel like it worked on surge but I only tried a few times
spice veldt
they don't exist
near wyvern
didn't feel like it worked on surge but I only tried a few times
Surge is bugged anyways with flurry
olive ember
didn't feel like it worked on surge but I only tried a few times
Flurry is just broke on surge and purge
olive ember
Maybe the delay breaks the tech
near wyvern
There was a 30 something MB patch today buy no idea what that was about
olive ember
Who tf knows at this point
blazing oak
I cry inside when there is more than 5 dreg shooters and the veterans are too busy not noticing the enemies
leaden thunder
There was a 30 something MB patch today buy no idea what that was about
reverting the maniac damage changes to the bullbutcher and axes
spice veldt
typical trauma W when there are dreg stalkers
blazing oak
Dreg stalkers even a thing?
spice veldt
all dreg enemies with guns are stalkers
dreg shooters aren't a thing
of course, this is a classic "not explained in-game" moment
blazing oak
This why I don’t play veteran to differentiate it
gilded viper
what's the name for the scab shooters that don't show up on bio optics even with the 30 talent?
olive ember
Wait but dreg stalkers light up during counterfire
blazing oak
Stalkers
spice veldt
scab stalkers
olive ember
But scab stalkers have fucking cloaking tech
spice veldt
dreg stalkers get highlighted but scab stalkers don't :)
gilded viper
dreg stalkers get highlighted but scab stalkers don't :)
fucking stupid
near wyvern
Making sense
blazing oak
Honestly I would’ve just said okay they are called stalkers so they know how to stealth, but now dreg rangeds are stalkers too
spice veldt
the dreg yellow makes them stand out and scab shooters have glowy bits
makes total sense
leaden thunder
like vet doesn't need more buffs
gilded viper
I mean I guess yellow can be considered camo in nurgle infested areas
leaden thunder
but scab stalkers need to show up on counterfire
blazing oak
like vet doesn't need more buffs
Buff shotgun though
leaden thunder
that's a weapon buff
torn shadow
Hey has anyone here seen the force sword clip of someone 1-shotting a crusher? How’d they do it? I can link the clip too
blazing oak
Yeah but a weapon buff that vet uses is a vet buff technically
gilded viper
I imagine if we go deeper in the hive wherever these daemons are coming from
leaden thunder
zealot also can use it
blazing oak
Yeah
leaden thunder
but I get what you are saying
blazing oak
Both class buff
spice veldt
probably with warp unleashed, +carapace, power blessings (Unstable Power, Slaughterer), and crits
leaden thunder
crab did it
blazing oak
I want to play as Navis Armsmen breacher from kill team >:(
torn shadow
Yea
gilded viper
How does unstable scale btw
spice veldt
with crits and max slaughterer stacks without +carapace, I do 2200 damage to crushers with a heavy-special headshot
leaden thunder
it was a crit headshot blazing spirit and sometihng else
the blazing spirit finished it off
gilded viper
Unstable+Slaughterer seems like a funny force sword build
leaden thunder
if you don't have bloodthirsty that's your best damage focused one
spice veldt
powah
feral verge
rampage appears useless on dueling sword
near wyvern
Unstable Power 😂
feral verge
in psykhanium i cant seen to hit more than 2
near wyvern
Enjoy your +5 damage per hit
feral verge
even with the push attack
spice veldt
push-attacks on all duelling swords have 6 cleave iirc
near wyvern
Too bad they are so vertical
leaden thunder
according to the calc they do have 6 cleave
feral verge
i think i prefer shred + riposte + crit chance
olive ember
Verticality, Ascendant Blaze’s worst enemy
summer prairie
the push attack can kill 2 groaners with a good enough roll, which is decent
not like any of the attacks do a lot of damage to 4+
spice veldt
reduced damage against infested smh
leaden thunder
a lot of things do
for some reason
like an 80% damage bolter with no buffs can't 1 shot a damnation poxwalker without a crit or headshot
olive ember
Just get better skilled
feral verge
i am of higher skill and my bolter always crits and headshots and 1 hits all enemies including beast of nurgle
spice veldt
force sword and combat/tac axes seem to be the only melees with 100% against infested on their lights
leaden thunder
olive ember
Not my vanilla experience
olive ember
How dare you ruin the integrity and purity of this game
feral verge
for me it's always on
olive ember
I play this game with ZERO third party just as the devs INTENDED
echo turtle
thank god for this hotfix
my axe was dealing 1/2 the damage to maniacs it used to
I thought that was weird
olive ember
Lmao
Apparently the antax lights were in line with other axes
What was broken was that the antax heavies were underpowered
So what they should’ve done was buff the heavies and instead they nerfed the lights XD
spice veldt
the heavies on the other combat axes also do poopoo against maniac
gilded viper
wow this weapon icon mod open my eye to how shit this is
mainly cause i never knew what a salvo is
thought it was the recoil phases
leaden thunder
salvo is until your accuracy resets
olive ember
Salvo apparently is just whenever your recoil resets
spice veldt
at least for guns it's obvious
gilded viper
so i guess if i burst a auto gun it free 12% but basically do'nt go full auto 
feral verge
leaden thunder
the issue is also
feral verge
4/4 dodges but buff icon for riposte doesnt appear
leaden thunder
that sustained fire doesn't do more damage on headshots
olive ember
Hey it’s free dmg with the burst fire HH
gilded viper
that sustained fire doesn't do more damage on headshots
HUH
olive ember
Kek
spice veldt
the icon appeared for me on the force sword
leaden thunder
it still increases your damage by the same amount
it does more damage but not like
the headshot mod more
gilded viper
BRUH
leaden thunder
same for crits
olive ember
Lmao
gilded viper
at least for guns it's obvious
just tested it, salvo is work for lmb on staves
olive ember
Eh
spice veldt
4/4 dodges but buff icon for riposte doesnt appear
works for me, https://streamable.com/qzpgy7
leaden thunder
you have to dodge an attack right
spice veldt
yup
leaden thunder
for it to proc
spice veldt
"successful dodge"
spice veldt
and for some weird reason, two slaughterer icons appear whenever you get a kill
gilded viper
leaden thunder
any1 got the link to the dt modding discord?
spice veldt
leaden thunder
gilded viper
THIS STACK UP TO 5
olive ember
Look at these
gilded viper
NO WAY MAN
leaden thunder
yeah
spice veldt
yup
olive ember
Third party add on users
spice veldt
classic well-written description
olive ember
YoshiP would despise you
gilded viper
BRUH
leaden thunder
FF is like
gilded viper
YoshiP would despise you
leaden thunder
Bis for a lot of weapons that can roll it
gilded viper
i want to fuck FS rn with how much misleading infomation inside their game
olive ember
Mmm
gilded viper
WAIT stagger enemy is a stack and not a debuff
gilded viper
wait nvm i just read it
olive ember
XD
feral verge
this guy...
gilded viper
for some reason i thought this was the "scale with stagger"
leaden thunder
that;s no respite
olive ember
That’s why it’s so good, would be meh if it was individual
leaden thunder
which also works wierd as fuck
and can give mroe then the listed damage
I think it can even reduce your damage against ragers
becuase they have janky stagger values
gilded viper
that;s no respite
yeah mb getting everything mix up 
feral verge
does brittleness increase damage all enemies take?
or is it just armored enemies
or
is it just rending
a rending debuff than teamates can make use of
on armored targers
spice veldt
if a weapon does <100% damage against a certain armour type, it will benefit from rending/brittleness
leaden thunder
^
spice veldt
rending% is a self-buff, and brittleness% is an enemy debuff that anyone from your team benefits from
spice veldt
smiley face
olive ember
To think the zealots only just discovered Fatshark descriptions today
spice veldt
as an anti-crusher yeah
olive ember
Pmuch yeah
spice veldt
I prefer focused channeling for shooters
olive ember
There’s not much besides flurry on trauma
Your next best bet after shockwave is focused channeling
And that’s a yikes moment and skill issue
spice veldt
getting staggered at max toughness is truly a skill issue
gilded viper
I love descriptions
writing is hard as we can see here 
feral verge
there needs to be a 'BRUH' sound effect mod for whenver you get staggered
gilded viper
going to get your ear blow out when he stagger combo by gunners
spice veldt
nah, only when your cast gets cancelled
'BRUH' when you see that charge bar drop to 0
brings a tear to my eye
and not a happy tear
feral verge
should be interesting
spice veldt
i had a particularly hard time on consignment yard
olive ember
What staves
spice veldt
because the special spawns were fucking cranked on that game
olive ember
Damn that was quick
gilded viper
sheesh
feral verge
he didnt stay with the team
olive ember
That spicy 3 score I see
fresh vessel
Headtaker and rampage for heavy sword IX right?
gilded viper
yes
olive ember
Yep
elder rain
One message removed from a suspended account.
spice veldt
perks and blessings are meh; I wouldn't spend milk bottles on it
proud mantle
whats the dump stat for surge
viral solstice
proud mantle
i remember someone here said it couldn't crit, was that wrong
leaden thunder
it can't headshot on the secondary fire iirc
spice veldt
i think the bug was that crits used to show up as white
leaden thunder
but it crits alot
olive ember
Surge has like the highest crit of the staves
spice veldt
but it definitely crits
vagrant frigate
warp nexus didnt increase my crit chance after like 20min of testing
olive ember
probably swap surge off for warp flurry
vagrant frigate
nah i just unlocked surge