although that staff is fine
#psyker-class
ember hornet
probably fine with it for the time being, I don't have a purg
runic gate
Show me your flamer Van
ember hornet
using void
sinful stream
Ok thanks I'm really hoping it's like the wrong % or something because in game I do not feel I'm getting any value at all out of the perk.
spice veldt
there could also be a discrepancy between the Meat Grinder and multiplayer missions
worn cypress
I dont tend to have to quell much with purg, I find that you hit so many shit the 10% chance to quell passive triggers a lot
spice veldt
although as far as I remember, most of those discrepancies were related to blessings
worn cypress
but I'm also pretty yolo high peril at all times for warp nexus kinda player so
twilit flicker
For communion to work you need to be in coherency, ive just read. So meat grinder ...
ember hornet
I've been running FS + voidstrike with warp unleashed and 6 warp charges
feels awesome
spice veldt
communion still works if you yourself kills enemies
and you're always in coherency with yourself
sinful stream
^
twilit flicker
You're always in coherency with yourself lol understood.
spice veldt
not exactly the most explained thing
magic burrow
In coherency, or incoherency? Just Psyker things.
sinful stream
If AB was actually 10% chance then I think overload + wrack and ruin + blazing spirit weapons would be really fun but atm I feel jipped for warp charges
worn cypress
aw yeah that would be really fun
still hearth
Show me your flamer Van
Which one
worn cypress
I've been getting used to AB a bunch lately and the warp charge jipping feels shitty
wish they'd tweak that
spice veldt
I strongly dislike the probabilistic nature of communion and AB
worn cypress
yea
sinful stream
Same for Blazing spirit on staves
spice veldt
and their expected values are pretty meh anyways
worn cypress
I wish blazing spirit isnt based on crit yeah
make it just some flat % chance or something
spice veldt
communion expects 1 warp charge per 25 enemies killed, AB expects 1 warp charge per 10 crispy enemies killed
summer prairie
the charges from AB are just a bonus though
sinful stream
If it were like kinetic flayer it would feel better because kinetic flayer lowkey feels reliable
still hearth
your favorite child
I'll show you mine if you show me yours. I can't show mine atm though
sinful stream
the charges from AB are just a bonus though
It's the whole point of the perk. On damnation 4 stacks of SB barely kills hoard trash
runic gate
I don't rly use mine so i was asking this morning if damage is actually the dump stat. @still hearth
worn cypress
I've been weaning myself off purg staff and running blazing spirit VS build with warp battery + AB, and it just feels crappy w/r/t maintaining warp charges
spice veldt
kinetic Flayer at least triggers on hits
worn cypress
always feels like I need to BB constantly to profitably use AB
and that just feels bad
summer prairie
Yes, no point running AB without WB. The main benefit of AB is certainly not the warp charges
worn cypress
well yea
sinful stream
But its clearly designed for the synergy with the other soublaze feats + blessings
worn cypress
but its like, I wasnt getting 6 warp charges to profitably press F and clear things
in a consistent manner
unless I'd spend a bunch of time BBing trash
spice veldt
fuck that poxwalker
summer prairie
get used to BBing random stragglers while forward sliding for speed
feral verge
worth?
sinful stream
If the 10% on AB worked or was higher, then you wouldn't have to be pigeon-holed into also running warp battery, you could have build diversity
clear hamlet
perks for purgatus?
sinful stream
Cuz I know its trash atm but overload is so fun in theory, and the way it could chain with ascendant blaze
spice veldt
they're probably afraid of making essence harvest too good or something I suppose
summer prairie
it's very close to being too good
safe crystal
perks for purgatus?
Crit and flak/unyielding/maniac
summer prairie
due to the ult AoE
sinful stream
they're probably afraid of making essence harvest too good or something I suppos...
Is that the toughness on warp charge?
worn cypress
yea soulblaze feats are so damn close to being great
spice veldt
ah right and the general effect of AB besides the warp charge gain
yeah that one, the top lvl5 feat
sweet stirrup
Question, just started learning how to use the trauma staff what stats should i be looking for/Blessings ?, this is what i'm running right now
feral verge
warp flurry and rending shockwave
sinful stream
I was gonna say... I use the quelling toughness perk because AB isnt reliably giving charges and Psyker is the only character I struggle majorly with for toughness
sweet stirrup
wasn't flurry bugged right now ?
sinful stream
Question, just started learning how to use the trauma staff what stats should i ...
God that's exactly what I want for my soulblaxe build.
sweet stirrup
funny enough i'm not running soulblaze feat*
sinful stream
funny enough i'm not running soulblaze feat*
If you locked the Blazing spirit then I'd keep it how it is and save it for a soublaze build lol
sweet stirrup
yeah the damage from soulblaze isnt that great but it looks cool lol
sinful stream
Oh frosty you can answer this question for me - you know how trauma staff has a huge aoe radius of stagger and like 1 damage (that's not shown with the circle) - does soublaze get applied to all those guys or just those in the blue targeting circle?
sweet stirrup
lemme check for you!
summer prairie
summer prairie
It's not good
sinful stream
I have Blazing spirit on voidstrike
echo turtle
Yeah nothing died whats the big deal lol
sweet stirrup
yeah but they got a blaze stack
meaning when they die, you have that 10% change to gain a stack
or any other psyker will have that if they run the same feat
median elk
With ascendant blaze you swim in stack anyway.
echo turtle
after some testjng, stuff dying with stacks doesnt seem to always trigger
Appears to be a bug that sometimes attributes
sinful stream
Yeah with AB, if you run in there and start killing them while they burn, you should be getting warp charges like crazy. Then if you have overload, guys should be getting 4 more stacks of fire, at which point they would burn to death easily, potentially causing another warp charge - so the theory goes
sweet stirrup
"feature"
echo turtle
Is blazing available on surge staff?
that could actually be good since it crits a lot
cyan notch
nomegalul
safe crystal
A crit based blessing on a high crit staff? Preposterous!
echo turtle
ikr
sweet stirrup
Is blazing available on surge staff?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/force-staff-surge/nomanus-mk-vi-surge-force-staff doesnt seem like it
echo turtle
disappointing
safe crystal
Iirc surge has the same blessing pool as purg
sweet stirrup
ok so i'm testing right now if you can still gain stacks from a enemy that was on fire and see if you can gain stacks with ascendant blaze seems they fixed it. it would seem you can't gain stacks anymore from it
olive ember
sigh here we go again
sweet stirrup
how so?
olive ember
nah just that i swear every patch someone goes "oh no its fixed"
and then after 3 hours of testing its like "oh no its not fixed, its just jank as fuck"
sweet stirrup
oh haha yeah
safe crystal
I feel called out
spice veldt
worked for me when I set poxbursters on fire and blasted them with the trauma staff in the Meat grinder
safe crystal
Still getting stacks
sweet stirrup
my testing isnt perfect correct me if someone finds the truth
summer prairie
works fine in the grinder
safe crystal
Its a different story if it works in game though,so
summer prairie
doesn't exactly feel like 10% though
safe crystal
I'll take a look at it later today when im playing again
sweet stirrup
yeah feel free to @me if you find something out, i never run ascendant blaze
river sand
trauma with flurry and blazing isnt that bad, its not flurry and rending but its ok
long wharf
no no, it's bad
blazing spirit is bad because it's on-crit, and only available on staves that don't have increased crit
and not even available on the staff that makes the most sense to have it (purge)
rich rose
So with the "updates" what are the preferred feats for surge staff?
long wharf
Blazing Spirit definitely needs to be on-hit, double stack on crit
for surge staff you want crit, past that it's by preference
once FartShart fixes Warp Flurry, that'll be a good option
rich rose
Still running surge in Damnation, it seems to be the best cc
rich rose
If I'm "killing" my team isn't doing there thing
long wharf
Still running surge in Damnation, it seems to be the best cc
I prefer surge staff, myself
but the surge staff needs some love
fading heath
took over 25 tries but i did get Going out with a Bang solo 
long wharf
such as doing full damage to all hit targets, not just 2
charging up affecting how many enemies you hit, as well as damage done
olive ember
3 fucking vets in a maliec game
and they are too busy auto gunning the horde I'm purging
to take care of the shooter squads
feral crater
Then take cover. ^_^
There is cover in the game for a reason. So you have a nice vantage point to watch poster boys die
devout axle
Cover is there to block your line of sight so you don't see the enemy shooters flank you and shoot you from every angle.
sinful stream
Well blessings are staff dependant, make it so surge staff can only get tier II blazing spirit so it's not as powerful? It would be so satisfying to have the lightning burn the enemies too
pine hearth
sustained fire any good on void?
sinful stream
I wouldn't use it, much better options
feral crater
Cover is there to block your line of sight so you don't see the enemy shooters f...
That my dear friend, is a VET issue
olive ember
kinda hard to take cover when im dealing with a horde and a poxhound and 2 trappers and a mutant
all at the same time
devout axle
sustained fire any good on void?
Pretty sure Salvo blessings in general are just ... really bad.
olive ember
meanwhile the vets are afk m1'ing the horde
olive ember
I wouldn't use it, much better options
imagine having options on your staff
couldn't be me
devout axle
I don't know options on my staff. I have staves for options.
pine hearth
pine hearth
idk seems nice
olive ember
thats a voidstrike nvrm
pine hearth
stops a whole horde in there tracks
olive ember
yeah replace terrifying to transfer peril and you good
devout axle
Transfer Peril is a must-have for the Voidstrike spam battlemage gameplay.
sinful stream
Doesn't anyone else feel like the peril cost nerf to voidstrike was unwarranted? Mine has transfer peril but still feels like crap to use because of how much it generat3s
pine hearth
idk I never have problems
near wyvern
Doesn't anyone else feel like the peril cost nerf to voidstrike was unwarranted?...
What tier transfer peril you have?
sinful stream
At the time voidstrike was firmly in 3rd place among the staves
sinful stream
What tier transfer peril you have?
3
near wyvern
That's why
devout axle
I don't think nerfing a staff from having 0 peril cost to having like ... 6 was unwarranted, no.
sinful stream
Brother 1% difference on that isn't gonna make a world of difference
near wyvern
Void peril is fine, you just gotta charge to kill
sinful stream
And that doesn't speak to the general state of the staff either
near wyvern
If you spam a bunch of low charge balls you are not killing stuff to trigger Battle Meditation
Void is fine
sinful stream
Hmm perhaps I'm using it inefficiently
near wyvern
The explosion radius could be a bit larger but otherwise it's fine
near wyvern
Hmm perhaps I'm using it inefficiently
Screenshot your void?
long wharf
big E gifted me this
tell 'im you want your money back
lunar hollow
the perks are trash
sinful stream
Is it one of them things where the damage scales faster with charge rate? Nonll-linear?
lunar hollow
warp flurry seems alright
pine hearth
kind of fun to shoot into a horde and they all stop and by the time they start up again im almost back to max charge on next hit
devout axle
Is it one of them things where the damage scales faster with charge rate? Nonll...
Higher charge = more pierce
lunar hollow
run n gun is useless
the only time ive ever seen 2 t4 perks on a weapon of mine and theyre carapace and weak spot
sinful stream
Screenshot your void?
I'm at work but iirc it's like 80 damage, 70 charge rate, 70 blast radius, 70 quell speed, 50 warp resist
Transfer peril III
Blazing spirit III
sinful stream
I refuse - I'm a soublaze whore
sinful stream
Monkey brain activate when blue fire appear
long wharf
I do think the default psyker ought to be a soulblaze whore
pine hearth
if they made wrack and ruin work on regular mobs with a cooldown that would be nice
long wharf
it needs to
I think things on warpfire should take additional warp damage, as well
as a function of soulblaze
pine hearth
we also need an smg type staff
unreal harness
Ay yall it's been awhile since I played psyker, trauma is the one that just pushes dudes right
pine hearth
trauma is good now
near wyvern
I'm at work but iirc it's like 80 damage, 70 charge rate, 70 blast radius, 70 qu...
Ah, there you go. You have 50 warp resist and Blazing Spirit on it.
pine hearth
just takes practice
devout axle
we also need an smg type staff
We have that. It's called Purgatus kekw.
unreal harness
Alright but it pushes dudes right
devout axle
But I know what you mean
unreal harness
I'm not asking about quality, I'm trying to get cliffhanger pen lmao
pine hearth
yeah it throws everybody at max charge
devout axle
Need Sienna's Bolt Staff.
unreal harness
Tanks
sinful stream
I think a shotgun type staff would be fun
pine hearth
a warp laser
sinful stream
Ah, there you go. You have 50 warp resist and Blazing Spirit on it.
My point was I had the same staff before and felt ok but now I feel very ineffective after the nerf. Void was never the best pick in damnation so it felt wierd they decided to nerf it
pine hearth
I kind of wish that they made it so if a psyker blows up there is a small chance they spawn in a demonhost
unreal harness
I kind of wish that they made it so if a psyker blows up there is a small chance...
Trolls
pine hearth
ah right
mortal breach
A necron staff
Ah sweet, technology beyond my feeble human psyche to understand
near wyvern
My point was I had the same staff before and felt ok but now I feel very ineffec...
And my point is that if you have good warp resist and warp flurry + transfer peril there are no peril problems as long as you have stuff to kill. Warp flurry reduces the charging cost. You might wanna try inner tranq, but basically you want warp flurry with transfer peril so you can use WU for splash and elites.
long wharf
My point was I had the same staff before and felt ok but now I feel very ineffec...
you have to hit weakspots
devout axle
A necron staff
This'll be added with a seasonal mtx Heretek class.
sinful stream
And my point is that if you have good warp resist and warp flurry + transfer per...
Warp flurry reduces the charge cost??? - why can't fatshark write anything down
near wyvern
Yes
sinful stream
you have to hit weakspots
Oh thanks I wasn't doing that before lemme try it
long wharf
Oh thanks I wasn't doing that before lemme try it
let me clarify - you have to hit weakspots and have Transfer Peril blessing
sinful stream
I have transfer peril
long wharf
that combination is what allows you to push back the horde forever
mortal breach
This'll be added with a seasonal mtx Heretek class.
If they add Necron staves of light, they gotta add ork tellyportas
feral crater
If they add Necron staves of light, they gotta add ork tellyportas
that will come with ork dlc
sinful stream
Yes
Well knowing that it does seem like that's the only combo to use. Blazing spirit (was already bad) is officially dead on voidstrike
sinful stream
Well yeah officially to me because I'm learning of this hidden warp flurry mechanic now
long wharf
and then added to all staves
still hearth
Immeasurably complex
near wyvern
And there is a difference with high warp resist and good transfer peril. With 80% warp resist your RMB cast will cost around 4.25% peril. With a T4 you get 5% back, so as soon as you hit 3-4 heads you get back more than you use for charge + cast assuming you are in full flurry mode.
long wharf
indeed
I have half a mind to create a mod that makes the staves work the way I want them to
just to show FartShart that it's possible to have fun with the psyker
sinful stream
Send them the file lol.. it's like the Numeric UI mod and how their notification for tracking crafting pickups is way less intrusive and toggleable
full bane
and then added to *all* staves
Staffs
long wharf
Staffs
staves, look it up.
I've been waiting for someone to try to correct me
you, sir, just made my day
still hearth
Staffies
spice veldt
stiffies
sinful stream
Flock of staffs
still hearth
Wooo
long wharf
Stafflies
safe crystal
A murder of staffs
still hearth
Staffi
near wyvern
Well knowing that it does seem like that's the only combo to use. Blazing spirit...
It's not dead but if you go that way you must have T4 nexus and roll one perk to +5% crit. You can do like half of mauler HP bar on one shot since it applies the stacks on projectile and explosion. Direct hit on an elite applies 6 stacks on crit. It's more damaged by the Blazing Spirit bug which causes it to not get any AB procs when the crit kills.
still hearth
One staffi many staff
feral crater
Staffii
full bane
I've been waiting for someone to try to correct me
I know it’s incorrect, I just saw the argument from yesterday and wanted to pull your leg about it
feral crater
Tzeentch 101
sinful stream
It's not dead but if you go that way you must have T4 nexus and roll one perk to...
Didn't know about the way it applies stacks. Gonna go for one with 80% warp resist and try this blessing combo out
long wharf
oof
still hearth
long wharf
nah, even still toughness regen via quelling isn't efficient with void
sinful stream
Shit I have 50% warp resist that's basically it
wide tiger
Did they make transfer peril work with quietude?
still hearth
I always run toughness regen on quell
long wharf
once you get going, you stop having peril to quell, and you're constantly killing (should be), so you're far better off getting toughness on warp kills
wide tiger
Yeah i feel like warp absorption is kinda win more
wide tiger
when you're absolutely slaughtering you dont really need the tough
its when you're hiding because you have no tough that you need the tough
still hearth
It's nice when you're dealing with hordes and you're getting poked by shooters though
long wharf
but in that situation, you have the horde to kill
you're only going to quell so much, you'll get far more toughness by killing than quelling
long wharf
you also don't get hit when behind cover 🙂
feral verge
brain burst
wide tiger
or you can brainburst and quell for far more
still hearth
At that point I'm better off waiting for my team to kill stuff
long wharf
At that point I'm better off waiting for my team to kill stuff
I mean, you're team ought to be killing things as well anyways
wide tiger
which you're gonnna have to do anyways if you're brainbursting
clear hamlet
In my head what's the point of toughness on quell when you're not quelling out in the open
wide tiger
I mean, you're team ought to be killing things as well *anyways*
Hey i play pickups
still hearth
Yeah but I enjoy contributing 
spice veldt
if you don't want to BB
long wharf
Hey i play pickups
my condolences
wide tiger
You know how often i'm left to my ownd devices
wide tiger
my condolences
I appreciate and accept your pity
spice veldt
quietude is nice since I have to quell anyways
near wyvern
For max toughness regen
That ain't a crappy idea
wide tiger
quietude is nice since I have to quell anyways
thats how i feel
echo turtle
brain burst
Yup, I am frequently popping in and out of cover to burst
wide tiger
Warp absorption may have a high reward but its also high risk
wide tiger
unless you're doing some trauma los cheese
still hearth
That also sucks
spice veldt
I sometimes go out of my way to generate peril to quell with, but Getting rewarded for something I'm already doing is something I won't give up
echo turtle
If you’re going to rely on quelling for regen that indicates you are using your staff a lot
still hearth
You also get 10% chance for 5% toughness on every kill
I use my staff all the time yes
Voidstrike pretty nutty
echo turtle
if you are, you should be getting kills with warp attacks, meaning the 10% on kill would be better than regen on quell
still hearth
It really isn't in practice
wide tiger
Yeah its something i asked them to fix as a bug
and nothing ever came of it
same with transfer peril and whats it called
exorcist?
spice veldt
I believe they fixed it working with transfer Peril?
wide tiger
well thats a win
idle bay
What if there a Force Staff that behaved like Drakefire pistols from VT2 ? I have really warm memories about those guns
echo turtle
you shiuld be able to get 4 staff kills in between quelling to 80%
that is less kills than BB would get in that time
spice veldt
having the flexibility to Regen without having to peek is pretty comfy to me
still hearth
4x
wide tiger
but you might also get shot in that time whereas when you quell behind cover its just regen
still hearth
And you can probably quell 100% in less than 4s
spice veldt
I also sometimes melee hobo against enemies with my FS
spice veldt
just the comfiness of being able to Regen toughness at anytime is very comfy
if you're the last player alive, you don't need to kill 10 enemies to Regen full toughness
you can refresh yourself and start engagements from full toughness
wide tiger
i'm also a little annoyed that soulblaze doesnt trigger warp absorption
echo turtle
quietitude works damn good if you have that blessing that quells on headshots
if they ibtereact
still hearth
Being able to regen in fights is probably ideal if you're last standing
long wharf
it only works damned good until you're out of peril to quell
wide tiger
you can generate peril for free with no target though
still hearth
Since you'll be unable to peek as much if you want to push forward
wide tiger
if it really came down to that
long wharf
all I'm saying is the most common situation for needing toughness back while voiding is when you're getting shot while you're clearing a horde
in that specific situation, the best way to get toughness back is for the killing you're doing
spice veldt
my character is pretty short
spice veldt
I also just melee hordes personally
long wharf
entrenched shooters are super easy though, as you can headshot them behind cover
with void, I don't melee the horde, there's no reason
wide tiger
you shoot one and 80 of them shoot back
spice veldt
you can always get toughness back with melee kills if you ever need it
idle bay
you shoot one and 80 of them shoot back
Beacuse cUmo-vet in your team is a pussy
long wharf
you can dodge while charging your laser staff
wide tiger
dont get me started on the pubs i play with
wide tiger
and yeah i love being on my vet cause shooters become so trivial
long wharf
start charging behind cover, dodge out as you line up your shot, shoot and dodge back
idle bay
The should be filter in lobby to exclude camo vets from matchmaking
still hearth
Just refuse to move ahead of them
idle bay
They are disgrace to FPS players
wide tiger
I dont even charge i just lmb the shooters usually since it onetaps in the head, but even if you're hiding behind cover you're still dealing with backspawning shooters and shit
long wharf
yeah, the camo feat for Vets is kinda bullshit
still hearth
It's anti helping
long wharf
as if 75% toughness DR standing out in the open isn't enough
still hearth
Gotta make your team tank for you
long wharf
as if having endless ult time isn't enough
long wharf
yeah
idle bay
as if having endless ult time isn't enough
It's only endless if ogryn's ass don't eat half of your bulltes 🙂
long wharf
yeah, there is the issue with teammates blocking shots
wide tiger
he wouldnt move
still hearth
You have insane durability
wide tiger
Crusher coming for him? Doesnt matter, no moving.
long wharf
but that's a them problem, I personally dislike playing Vet
long osprey
I was charging the shooters with my surge staff catachan yesterday cause the team was 2x camo vets, me as psyker and another psyker….
idle bay
Stop being behind Ogryns
That's the thing - they teleport right in front of you running towqrds your targets trying to save as many cultists as possible from your shots 🙂
still hearth
I think the only reason not to nerf their toughness dr
Is that they'll all become Camo
wide tiger
is so they dont go camo? lol
long wharf
That's the thing - they teleport right in front of you running towqrds your targ...
they really do
clear hamlet
and they give up 75% toughness DR for camo feat
"100% damage reduction for just standing still? Sign me tf up!" vets probably
warm spindle
Vet is so easy lol
idle bay
In turn i play Ogryn that respects lines of fire - i always move to the sides when approching heretics allowing team a clear shots at them
long osprey
Vet is the class I never play cause it’s boring tbh
wide tiger
Do you know how many ogryn players in tier 5 literally do not dodge? Some dont even know there is a dodge mechanic in darktide
still hearth
Vet is fun if you play the aggro builds
clear hamlet
I only play it because contracts
still hearth
But long rangr Vet kinda boring
long osprey
Vet is fun if you play the aggro builds
What weapon?
idle bay
And when i'm playing Vet then it's mandatory joke about this ogryn pooping bullets for weeks after this mission.
wide tiger
when i see an ogryn that slides and dodges im genuinely surprised
still hearth
What weapon?
Braced autogun or autopistol are very good
clear hamlet
Vet is fun if you play the aggro builds
You mean like brauto snooze fest?
wide tiger
I enjoy vet, it reminds me of how hard I have to work on psyker to be effective
still hearth
Brauto is about as snooze as staffs
But I rarely play Vet too
It's still just point and click
But sometimes it's fun to press F and win
clear hamlet
Step 1. F - w+left click
Step 2. Refer to step 1
still hearth
Dodge nets and snipers (optional)
idle bay
Shoot approaching Hounds to death (optional)
still hearth
The damage autopistol does atm is hilarious
olive ember
I prefer metaslave mk12 vets tbh
long osprey
The damage autopistol does atm is hilarious
Versus maniacs it’s crazy
olive ember
most of the brauto vets are too focused on not the shooters
long osprey
And it push everything on the ground too
olive ember
and the team just eats shit the moment their F runs out
wide tiger
i mean the blessings the autopistol has access to is pretty intense
still hearth
The ones who spray infested
With XII
I mean that's pretty good
It's like missing 2 stacks?
wide tiger
no that burn stat is nogood
wide tiger
Honestly, there's something about purgatus being like 50% as effective as the flamer that prevents me from using it
i tell myself
why not just go play my zealot and use a flamer
so i end up with a voidstrike or trauma
spice veldt
cuz zealot isn't psyker
still hearth
Psyker do hit different
spice veldt
thick burly arms that can hold 2h weapons will compress the nerves in their arms
long wharf
like a limp noodle at times
wide tiger
I dunno, purgatus gameplay vs flamer gameplay... pretty close
still hearth
BB is honestly a prime reason I like Psyker
Getting to deal with armor or distant enemies regardless
wide tiger
BB is pretty great
spice veldt
BB is why I swapped from vet to psyk
long wharf
You don't need more than 12 stacks
saying you don't need more damage is weakness
burn isn't just stack limits
it's also how quickly those stacks are applied
still hearth
Well then don't dump stat damage
long wharf
I wouldn't dumpstat damage for purge, either
still hearth
It's from like .34s per stack to .4s per stack
spice veldt
you don't need it when purg's main advantage is spreading Soulblaze to everything in its range
soulblaze's damage is average otherwise
full bane
I like psyker because I enjoy the feel of the dueling swords
gilded viper
Psyker stamina regen make me play giga dumb in melee, free spam push block while not getting guard broken
long wharf
and there's literally no reason to run purge if you aren't trying to maximize the damage you do with soulblaze
spice veldt
you're right; the infinite cleave of Purg is not a good enough reason to run it
the fact that it passes through crushers is not good enough
long wharf
the infinite cleave is pointless if you aren't killing
spice veldt
but you are killing
long wharf
ergo, if you intend to be killing, there's no reason not to maximize how well you kill
aka how much damage you do
aka how many stacks you can apply and how fast you apply them
it's simple logic
spice veldt
you're not achieving the max potential of the staff, but range is going to make the Purg a bit more flexible
long wharf
burn doesn't affect range
spice veldt
in talking about cloud radius
unreal harness
Cliffhanger pen with trauma staff in it's current form, y'all think shoving them off with melee my best bet? Trauma tends to kill walkers on malic
long wharf
cloud radius is stat priority #2 for purge, burn is #1
idle bay
Is not damage a dump stat for Purg?
full bane
Sah the Spark’Eds are arguing again
spice veldt
the scaling on the range of purg is from 10 to 17.5 meters
long wharf
Is not damage a dump stat for Purg?
no
spice veldt
if it were an 80 rating Purg, I'd prefer all the stats go into cloud radius than burn
long wharf
and while I prioritize burn over cloud radius, the reality is a staff where they're both not at 80 is a dead staff to me
or at least burn 77+
spice veldt
well we're arguing about the relative importance of both so talking about 160+ rating staffs is pointless
still hearth
I don't run a purge without 80 in everything
long wharf
I don't run a purge without 80 in everything
yes you do.
long wharf
but I know the game
still hearth
Exactly
long wharf
and no weapon gets 80 in everything
still hearth
Hence
wide tiger
i think thats the joke
wide tiger
^
long wharf
ah.
wide tiger
lol
still hearth
That's a lie though because I run purge
long wharf
wide tiger
soulblaze away. still waiting for this blessing
still hearth
Direct damage on Purge is actually decent on hordes in tight spots
long wharf
and yeah, purge still needs Blazing Spirit
still hearth
60 dps is more than the DoT gets before the horde dies
But it's not really a big deal im my eyes
Especially since damage also scales weird
long wharf
enemies have burn resistance that's applying, I think
which is weird, they ought to have "warp resistance" that's different
still hearth
Enemies do take different damage from burn based on their armor yeah
And both flame and Soulblaze use the same mods there afaik
spice veldt
besides the armour mods, I think there was another damage modifier system on burn/Soulblaze damage
still hearth
Burn does 250 power modifier and burn does 400
Uh
Soulblaze 250
Whatever that actually means
feral verge
are flamer and soulblaze stacks different?
pine hearth
they are def different damage
still hearth
Yes and no
They are based on the same but tick and damage is different afaik
So soulblaze is moderately worse per stack
long wharf
I thought someone tested and saw that the tick and damage is actually the same
when armor / enemy modifiers aren't in play
sounds like we need a definitive comparison test
feral verge
im asking if they stack together
pine hearth
get a grey purg and a grey flamer
summer prairie
Flamer does 60% more damage and tics more frequently
pine hearth
with samish stats
undone quiver
What do you generally want on a Mk 5 axe (aside from Brutal Momentum)?
feral verge
can you apply flamer burn stacks and soulblaze burn stacks on the same mob
undone quiver
I have flak damage, maniac damage, brutal momentum, and thunderous
still hearth
I mean, I've not tested it but there's no reason burn and soulblaze wouldn't work at the same time
pine hearth
dont see how you could test it really
still hearth
In game
pine hearth
unless that mod that shows mob hp bars does damage aswell
still hearth
Yeah it does
spice veldt
bully a reaper
summer prairie
I mean it would be incredibly apparent if you couldn't
if you have ever played with a zealot who has a flamer
still hearth
Both weapons kinda nutty
pine hearth
I feel kind of useless when there is one and im using purg
until they have to reload
long wharf
burn and warpfire are separate, unrelated dots
still hearth
That's just how flamer supremacy works
long wharf
they can both be ticking at the same time on the same enemy
been tested multiple times
devout axle
I mean, I've not tested it but there's no reason burn and soulblaze wouldn't wor...
They do work. You can run a lasgun with Infernus and Kinetic Flayer with Wrack and Ruin to proc both on a target to test it.
long wharf
and flamer vastly out-performs purge staff
pine hearth
yeah but thats fine
pine hearth
trade off for no amo
still hearth
It does the same direct damage afaik
pine hearth
purg can still do work
long wharf
purge needs either higher direct damage or soulblaze needs more damage per stack
summer prairie
flamer needs to do less
long wharf
the argument of "no ammo though" is garbage, because ammo is plentiful
long wharf
and purge range is too low for sure
long wharf
besides, the psyker is the "glass cannon" class, just ask FartShart
we're the squishiest by design
pine hearth
glass cannon with the best block
still hearth
Forgot to give them the cannon
long wharf
and yet we're the worst for dps or sustained damage output
no, we definitely don't have the best block, either
spice veldt
we have pretty good toughness feats and a low stamina Regen delay
pine hearth
eh ive always though of psykers as more of a support class
long wharf
our kit definitely makes us a support class
still hearth
long wharf
but that's not how the class is advertised by FartShart
pine hearth
for those ppl who hit Fill in mmo dungeon finders
long wharf
I like that psykers have a role
devout axle
I personally hate it when people claim Psyker is 'a support class'. Yes, it is. But the people who say it are usually using it to justify their terrible gameplay.
long wharf
I just wish the class was actually designed around that role
pine hearth
most versitile besides maybe veteran with there god sword
still hearth
Good at everything, great at nothing
long wharf
sure, let the psyker setup warp bubbles
lethal folio
Not yet.
long wharf
setup area denial effects
gilded viper
Feel like saying psyker a support while is kinda 
still hearth
Next Month™️
lethal folio
If you think current psyker is a support you are in for a surprise.
long wharf
use the warp to buff the team in significant ways
or debuff enemies in significant ways
still hearth
Current Psyker is a bit of everything
pine hearth
need higher dif first
long wharf
problem is psyker isn't dedicated support
pine hearth
damnation atm dosent really need any of that
unless youg et a buged one
just had one where the horde never stoped
devout axle
Feel like saying psyker a support while is kinda <:COPIUM:892621214063919164>
Psyker natively supports their team by controlling hordes and brain bursting elites. But the people who use the arguement that Psyker is a support class are also the people who spam Surge staff into poxwalker hordes and never do anything useful.
pine hearth
took an hour to slog through it
long wharf
we have ways of being supportive when we're supposed to be the glass cannon
lethal folio
Sure if you take the support weapons.
gilded viper
I can say zealot a support class the moment I take crusher for cc
feral verge
i want psyker to be supported by fatshark
long wharf
i want psyker to be supported by fatshark
this hits hard
pine hearth
I run void, try to BB every long ranged elite and just keep the backline clear if the vet is doing there job and not in the front lines
long wharf
I've said since release - we enjoy psyker despite its mechanics, not because of its mechanics
twilit flicker
Moral support
devout axle
Zealot more support than Psyker
Veteran more support than Psyker. Veteran has a perk that highlights enemies for their team. And another perk that restores allied Toughness by just killing shit close to them.
long wharf
Vet feats have synergy with how the Vet plays
viral solstice
jorts more jeans than jacket
twilit flicker
Why are blue jeans blue?
viral solstice
devout axle
It's in the name.
limber silo
Hello siblings, does anyone know if there was a driver update or something last night because my D: drive went missing and all my darktide shit is there
viral solstice
due to the refraction of light in atmosphere
gilded viper
What do psyker bring in passive for teammate?
limber silo
And I don't wanna reinstall all my mods
twilit flicker
Oh.
lethal folio
elite damage, cdr.
devout axle
What do psyker bring in passive for teammate?
Increased damage vs Elites. CDR.
long wharf
Hello siblings, does anyone know if there was a driver update or something last ...
"driver update"?
I hope you had backups
gilded viper
viral solstice
8 rending on trauma like a true assistbot
limber silo
for computers. I have a dell
feral verge
cerebral lacerations too
limber silo
fuck
spice veldt
i assume it's just a loose connection on your hard drive or it straight up failed
still hearth
CDR that only work if the Psyker is getting kills
echo turtle
Yeah the new update deleted D: drives
you’re gonna need to download some more ram to see it againZ ez fix
long wharf
interesting, I can't react to a message
long osprey
The change with the soul blaze on brain burst on hit is pretty good now
long wharf
it needs to apply to all enemies though, not just elites/specials
because BB targeting is still wonky
pine hearth
still cant target through a gd stair railing
long osprey
Good idea there
still hearth
Especially if you mark it
twilit flicker
What would psyker be like if it was synergised? BB is like grenades for other classes? Psyker is pretty unique, you think?
still hearth
I think BB is good as a bonus atm, but it is wonky
twilit flicker
BB is so good for sniping
still hearth
The damage could be increased slightly to hit a few more oneshots
gilded viper
Tbh I feel like they need to rework to class for It to synergies cause it feel like a jack of all trades master of none
spark parcel
JK hit a poxwalker instead of the elite 😦
spice veldt
i think it's fine as is
pine hearth
I like the jack of all trades
spice veldt
just add a single-target ranged DPS force staff and people will be happy
spice veldt
i want our staffs to be powerful, not our grenades
pine hearth
elite killer got it
still hearth
Feats still kinda messy
unreal harness
Tfw you ask the lobby to let you get cliffhanger and homie goes out of his way to fuck you over every time smh
gilded viper
I like it to but I don't think the class going to be perfectly synergies, I could be wrong tho
still hearth
Tfw you ask the lobby to let you get cliffhanger and homie goes out of his way t...
With that name, understandable
unreal harness
With that name, understandable
Based
still hearth
BB being single target means you have room to not take anti armor and long distance options
long osprey
With 6 charges it’s 2 bb to kill big ogryns
still hearth
But it would be nice if you could change it up
long osprey
So it’s pretty good
gilded viper
2bb to kill the most annoying enemy 
long osprey
2bb to kill the most annoying enemy <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
Which?
still hearth
Atm you can reliably 2 bb anything but mutants and bosses
spice veldt
bulwarks
still hearth
And
gilded viper
Bulwark, I can't stand them as a zealot
devout axle
So it’s pretty good
3 for Reapers and Crushers on Damnation. But they will be low enough after 2 that your team can usually just one tap them.
still hearth
Reapers
spark parcel
Does anyone else have control responsiveness issues with swapping to Brain Burst after using Psykinetic's Wrath? I stg I press G, but my staff stays out and I always accidentally fire one regular staff shot.
still hearth
For some reason
pine hearth
1 BB stun is usually enough for the vet or zealot or w/e to kill the bulwark
can BB stun it and go do something else
unreal harness
Psh the most annoying enemy is bombers, ez
Stricly because sometimes they be tossing nades while you have no possible LoS lmao
still hearth
Does anyone else have control responsiveness issues with swapping to Brain Burst...
Swapping first is ideal, yeah. The game locks you out of certain actions sometimes
long osprey
3 for Reapers and Crushers on Damnation. But they will be low enough after 2 tha...
You tried with the soul blaze feat on them? I think the soul blaze finish them off, I’ll test later
spice veldt
Does anyone else have control responsiveness issues with swapping to Brain Burst...
i only have responsiveness issues swapping from brainburst
gilded viper
Does anyone else have control responsiveness issues with swapping to Brain Burst...
Think that could be a ping issue, happen to me sometimes when switch weapons after a skill in general
spice veldt
since I sometimes left-click too early and that locks me into the brainburst instead of swapping weapons
pine hearth
ive been having trouble with that for awhile
devout axle
You tried with the soul blaze feat on them? I think the soul blaze finish them o...
Wrack and Ruin will finish off a reaper, but its a 2~ second burn time before they drop. It won't finish off Crushers, but will leave them very low.
pine hearth
esp on zealot switching from ranged to melee
still hearth
Wrack and Ruin will finish off a reaper, but its a 2~ second burn time before th...
All or Nothing will 2 shot with laceration
For crushers
Reapers kinda thicc though
gilded viper
Pray for double BB to 1 shot them
devout axle
All or Nothing will 2 shot with laceration <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Sorry, I can't hear you all the way over here with my 5 dodge +15% dodge distance Dueling Sword.
still hearth
And do no damage while doing so? Seems kinda meh
pine hearth
well its to gtfo
spice veldt
the push-attack is a nice thing to have
i've told a crusher to fuck off for a bit while i cleaned up a small horde
still hearth
Now give it damage
still hearth
Make it a force choke
spice veldt
a whopping 5 damage at 100% rending
also, the push-attack procs uncanny strike because it's a weakspot hit
stonks
pine hearth
I see the melee on psyker as more of a I fucked up item
lets shit get to close to me
let*
also for killing mutants
spice veldt
melee is my main weapon and my staff is there as morale support
i run the trauma mostly for shooters and setting up kills for the force sword special
if I can use my melee without instantly dying, then I'll use it
i otherwise don't like the push-attack because it sends enemies away from you
especially for ragers who run faster than groaners/poxwalkers
better to just kite them and snipe them when they run too ahead of the horde
leaden thunder
just block
spice veldt
sticky activation weapons baby
their combo does shit damage
i just tank their hits
leaden thunder
their combos will catch dodges often times if you are worried about that
spice veldt
if you tank a hit before doing a special, you won't get toughness staggered from full toughness and get broken out of your special
leaden thunder
so blocking is quite effective against them if you aren't able to stagger them
pine hearth
eh ill just double dodge backwards hit F and BB
spice veldt
boring and low DPS
pine hearth
that kills them
spice veldt
scab ragers are easy money for the force sword
dreg ragers are meh but if you can chain kills and maintain slaughterer stacks, it'll work
pine hearth
I am hoping the next psyker class is melee oriented
full bane
Bullying ragers as Ogryn is fun
pine hearth
but prob not
leaden thunder
if the data mine is to be trused it's like a more melee focused one with a shield(idk the shape of the shield) as special
pine hearth
A shield with a purg staff built in
just hold it in front of you and block and walk into hordes
spice veldt
titanfall 2 scorch
leaden thunder
it was like a bubble shield or something
might travel with you? idk
I haven't looked at it in a bit
and we may not even get it
spice veldt
if the bubble shield gave stagger immunity, that's all I would need to love it
spice veldt
hide behind a better pillar
leaden thunder
nvm I lied we don't know much about it, I though they had found a couple of talents for it, the only thing we know is the name and the code name for the special
spice veldt
now I am made very sad
still hearth
There are some geometry
That enemies literally ignore
On the end of the turn off the anti aircraft defenses
still hearth
There's a part by the exit where there's a pillar
And enemies can run straight through it
lunar hollow
There are some geometry
or the door at the end of the excise vault one i think
where you gotta open the vaults for the containers
the extraction door is ignored
at least by hounds
they will just walk through it
long wharf
the problem with looking at the datamined stuff is that you really don't know if you're looking at the skeleton of future work or the remains of discarded ideas
tender onyx
Finally got my psyker to level 30. what kind of gear should I be chasing?
spice veldt
whatever you enjoy playing; or purg if you want to win
pine hearth
I run max hp/tough regen /block curios
or stam regen
all the staffs are viable if you know how to play them
tender onyx
I've been enjoying the purgatus staff and force sword alot. I see alot of people praising combat axes but I've never used one before
pine hearth
dont be that guy spaming surge into a pox horde
leaden thunder
the axes do a lot of damage
spice veldt
combat antax V with at least brutal momentum is a popular choice
vale nacelle
Finally got my psyker to level 30. what kind of gear should I be chasing?
Weapon of your choice + surge staff if you have a flamer zealot in the party. I run HP/Gunner resist/X curios in every slot.
feral verge
i reccomend HP or toughness curios
still hearth
Surge needs a single target zap primary
feral verge
dont reccomend wound curio
steel flame
dear god, carrying a high intensity match with laspistol as psyker is one hell of a sweaty affair
i dont think my aim has ever been that good before XP
steel flame
you just cant fathom my power
vale nacelle
Gunker 🤮
woven bridge
Not too shabby i guess 🤔
still hearth
The crit sword.
steel flame
i had this poor fire psyker that had the spatial awareness of a mashed potato
and two vets that sucked at killing specials
so i was pretty much playing sniper the entire game
it was fun
i think the only time i managed to run out of ammo was at the very end. two scavenger vets were at least good for something right?
but yeah the first thing the other psyker said in chat was 530 flame staff
and i knew i was in for a ride
spice veldt
i've never seen anybody bragging about their weapon in chat without being prompted
steel flame
😛
pine hearth
steel flame
yeah.....he died 7 times over the match
im amazed he didnt rage quit. ill give him that much
feral verge
i think i woulda gone all in on the crit
pine hearth
it can be usefull
pine hearth
its nice on those new poxdog hordes
pine hearth
idk
feral verge
no dogs
pine hearth
just high intent and low
still hearth
They are manually setting when they're active
But they clearly set them beforehand
I doubt someone is working on the weekend to start them
pine hearth
I kind of wish they would take low intent off of damnation
proper elbow
Does Warp Unleashed work on staves? Is it worthless on purgatus staff because it doesnt hit burn?
proper elbow
So 6 stack + Warp Unleashed = Big Fire
still hearth
It isn't
proper elbow
A dissenting remark! Hark!
still hearth
Warp Unleashed is force weapons only
pine hearth
says it in the name
still hearth
The dot isn't a force weapon
fair kayak
brain burst is emotional damage
unreal harness
Its math equations
Maf. 😡
spice veldt
yup, warp unleashed doesn't affect soulblaze at all (from either purg or soulblaze)
just tested it in the grinder
echo turtle
Don't believe the Surge stans
pffft surge is great
So long as you use it for what it’s great at, and use Bb and melee what it’s not great at
spice veldt
the direction that enemies face when you spawn them in the meatgrinder with creature spawner seems to depend on the direction that you were moving in when you spawned them
echo turtle
the crit on surge is for stagger and damage vs unarmored
What the surge does very well, is dealing with groups of shooters, denial of disablers and bursters and CC’ing when a bunch of ogryns and ragers rush your ass
it’s not like the other staves where you can just spam it and do well
long wharf
the crit on surge is for stagger and damage vs unarmored
no, crits are not for damage vs unarmored at all
you shouldn't be ever thinking about damage vs unarmored with surge
it might as well be 0
crit damage against flak is worthwhile
critting for more stun/stagger is worthwhile
echo turtle
look at the damage tables
crits take unarmored damage from like 130 to 250
thats makes your crits waste dreg shooters, which are a common enemy
you don’t really need + vs flak. The staff already slaughters flak
long wharf
having +flak means you don't have to charge as much to kill flak
it's the best option for +anything % with surge
echo turtle
it sucks against unarmored, which is why high crit and + vs unarmored is what I advocate for. It allows it to be useful against both common types of shooters
long wharf
most bang for the perk buck
echo turtle
And havibg + unarmored means you can also kill dregs. you’re getting + damage against one or the other so I will opt for unarmored myself as thats a weakspot@for the weapon
with nexus and + unarmored you deal with dregs well enough. + flak feels nice but you will drop the flak guys with or without it
Ideal is both imo
cuz Flak is real nice for shotgunners
I’ll have to see where breakpoints lie too, that matters a bit but take a looksy
frail berry
Hi team, which perk would you re-roll on this purgatus:
echo turtle
i just pulled this off reddit, it’s a staff damage table.
Unarmored gets a 2x damage bonus from crits. We crit 40% of the time.
The damage sucks, but it’s not far off being able to kill dregs in 1 go
frail berry
*using with Force sword/deflector if that matters
echo turtle
reroll stan
My reception sucks here, I’ll upload a table later if we are still on it
spice veldt
stamina on a weapon is always a detriment if you run slower with it
and staffs make you run slower than even with brain burst
actually now that I test it, they feel at about the same speed to me
people like +flak on purg; i'm not sure what the best perk is but since you're going to be rerolling stamina anyways, you can reroll it into whatever you like
proven raven
stan stam
echo turtle
crit
devout axle
Heard yall like Cloud Radius.
still hearth
I have something like that on Flamer
Tested it vs an 80% flamer
And ho boy
0% on Flamer being almost the same as 80% on purge lol
feral verge
one thing i like about trauma, over voidstrike is clutch potential
tender onyx
dont reccomend wound curio
why no wound curios. 2 feels kind of risky on higher difficulties
feral verge
because it's better to prevent going down in the first place
and there is enough medicae usually to heal your wound
devout axle
Wound Curios are a crutch for bad gameplay.
feral verge
having wounds is expecting failure
spice veldt
if i were playing with friends, i'd probably take wounds
feral verge
i have 260 hp
spice veldt
wounds are nice if you trust your team to rev you or you actually make use of it by opportunistically downing yourself
or you just go down often
devout axle
This is my only friend. I call him Jim. He got his arm stuck in the Medicae.
feral verge
alot more useful than a measely 220~ + wound
tender onyx
I guess that based on experience it is true that the players with the most wounds usually die first
feral verge
plus, toughness + HP is useful at all times
wounds is only useful if you go down
not even, if you go down twice
only then does it benefit you
tender onyx
so like one toughness and 2 health curios is probably good
feral verge
if you go down twice before medicae, usually (not always) the game is doomed anyway
still hearth
Toughness scales with your toughness regen and gives more effective HP
But I find that HP makes me survive more
spice veldt
i run 1 tough/1hp/1stam
devout axle
But I find that HP makes me survive more
The way I see it, I'm either at full Toughness, or I'm taking damage to my Health. It doesn't matter what my max Toughness is, if I don't have full Toughness I'm taking Health damage. And running out of Health is the leading cause of death.
feral verge
darktide fact: when you have zero HP, you die
spice veldt
my rationale is that more toughness means that I can safely poke ranged for longer
toughness is for the good times and health is for the bad times
broadly speaking
i still like toughness for melee since I usually take hits every so often instead of getting dumped on
still hearth
That's how I've felt it
Toughness is nice in very controlled situations
But suddenly
devout axle
I run 3 20% health curios. They all currently have 4% health perks on them as well, but I've considered switching those perks to other stats. the extra 16 health they provide tends to not be decisive in whether I go down or not.
still hearth
You're at 0 toughness
And sure maybe you took
Like 30 less HP damage
To get there
But now you're at 0 toughness just like me
feral verge
I run 3 20% health curios. They all currently have 4% health perks on them as we...
same
what's your hp at?
max afaik is 267
devout axle
I'm at 258.
devout axle
Realistically, I only need about 240 tho.