I use it for gunker
#psyker-class
rocky cedar
spice veldt
smh
rocky cedar
The amount of healing you get from essence harvest with it is just super comfy
spice veldt
i've tried essence harvest gun builds and I was never a fan of the RNG
and I despise brain bursting
so I usually just keep quietude whenever I use guns
rocky cedar
Depends on the gun
rocky cedar
I've only done autopistol with gunker and with its kill rate the healing feels pretty generous
Pretty pog team
Unless you're all running surge 
olive ember
I'm running las pistol
long wharf
they're all purge
spice veldt
all gunkers?
long wharf
all gunkers.... so you know in the most recent Suicide Squad movie, where the first team lands on the beach and gets totally wrecked? That's that team, the Budget Vet B-Team.
olive ember
long wharf
oh lord "it was shredding on easier difficulty"
you can't help but troll, can you
you should go in with 5 wounds
sprint stamina on all weapons
and curios
ember hornet
yeah lemme press W on my fully charged thrust while you stun a mutie 5m away from me
and make bulwarks do a 360 force field dance
shut ether
Gunker is sinful sibling
floral solstice
well i met a laspistol psyker yesterday and ngl i didnt feel his presence
sad part was he was dying a lot and it was only low5
ember hornet
void + force sword feels really good in damnation with warp unleashed and 6 warp charges
shut ether
I use Void Antaxe 5
ember hornet
I have an obsession with one shotting muties
olive ember
XD im not used to not having deflector
shut ether
I've never gotten used to deflecteor because I can't stand the Force Sword's attack pattern
ember hornet
I just like big special damage
shut ether
Yeah fair.
echo turtle
Big E finally gave me a FS. Butt it has deflector =[
spice veldt
precog smh
left briar
is deflector bad now?
spice veldt
people in this discord know how to dodge-slide and whatnot
so deflector is kind of pointless
if not completely suboptimal
cyan notch
61 finesse oof
spice veldt
it's a nice thing to have if you don't have any alternate blessings though
but having another offensive blessing is better than deflector
cyan notch
i still use deflector + bloodthirsty
u kinda only really need slaughterer or whatever
spice veldt
and it depends on use case as well
cyan notch
thr other blessing u can pick something u like
spice veldt
if you're not using your melee that much, then deflector is nice
olive ember
Big E finally gave me a FS. Butt it has deflector =[
I hate you so much
actuaully nvrm
61% finesse
lmao
trash
formal flume
I wouldnt say deflector is bad. It's just extra defense. Aint it?
olive ember
can't believe the emp gift me this
must be super duper impressed with my laspistol psyker
olive ember
you should go in with 5 wounds
I have that on my MetaPsykerTM build
just that this one is like a legit gunpsyker build so its not
complete trash
spice veldt
I wouldnt say deflector is bad. It's just extra defense. Aint it?
it's not bad, but you can usually protect yourself against ranged by dodging, sliding, or using your staff LMB to stagger/suppress. The bad thing is that you can't do anything else while blocking except letting your peril quell down (unless you picked kinetic deflection).
Another offensive blessing would be better. Of course, the other offensive blessings are either meh at best or they're Bloodthirsty, which is t4 only.
formal flume
Suppose thats fair enough. Although me being confined to a controller, i cant do the mobility stuff all that well
olive ember
I mean its also just a nice backup
like when the mutant tosses you into the gunner pack
or they spawn the clown car shotgunners behind you
spice veldt
i'd rather activate my special against shotgunners to DPS check them or just fight the gunners in melee
if nothing else, I can stun the gunners with brain burst if I can't reliably hit them with my staff LMB
it is the force sword after all with its infinite dodges
i strongly subscribe to the philosophy that a dead enemy is a good enemy
cyan notch
i use it to walk up on shooters to ab them
formal flume
if nothing else, I can stun the gunners with brain burst if I can't reliably hit...
To that i say: Blocking is guaranteed protection when put into a bad spot, along with being an easy way to force them into melee/get in range
shut ether
i strongly subscribe to the philosophy that a dead enemy is a good enemy
I'm with you. I find there really isn't much deflector can do that positioning can't fix.
spice veldt
if you don't have any other method anti-ranged or you're limited by input constraints, deflector is pretty nice
at least for me, I run the trauma staff to either kill or stagger shooters to give me the space to run in to fuck their shit up
shut ether
I just headshot multiple at a time with the Void
spice veldt
I'm with you. I find there really isn't much deflector can do that positioning c...
positioning can fix getting littered with bullets, but I think there's merit in using deflector to be more aggressive and using it to escape
ionic frost
i miss deflector blocking bullets while reviving
spice veldt
that's what I used to do before I settled on using the trauma staff
formal flume
Me personally, i'm running my psyker as close range as possible, and aggresive
spice veldt
I always ran into groups of shooters and used deflector if three shotgunners suddenly showed up
i'm the same; i mainly use my melee for everything including hordeclear and sniping elites
formal flume
Noice
spice veldt
trauma is there if I don't want to troll my team by running into a group of shooters
or to set up kills on melee elites so that I don't get staggered out of my special
formal flume
I use my BB to clear shooters and the likes, and use my purgatus/melee for everything else
That way i dont end up useless by running short ranged gear. Lol
restive slate
I always ran into groups of shooters and used deflector if three shotgunners sud...
Main reason why I'm reluctant to use another melee weapon other than Deflector FS
Yet I have a self-imposed goal of having 5 unique weapon sets for each class
formal flume
Take the chainsword pill, friend
restive slate
I'm ashamed to say I'm still not sure how to make the chainsword superstrong
restive slate
Ok will keep an eye out for those when I build chainsword
woven wadi
Man why is it so damn hard to find a surge blessing voidstrike, wtf
robust meteor
ornate hamlet
if not completely suboptimal
wait why
spice veldt
cuz you can't do anything while blocking
spice veldt
even in melee, blocking is a last resort against melee elites (mostly ragers with their undodgeables)
it's much better to push or push-attack to stagger enemies and set up kills or be attacking all the time
it's better to dodge/slide since you can charge your staff secondaries or charge up a melee heavy. It's why I prefer focused channeling on my trauma staff so that toughness breaks don't interrupt my cast and I can just trade hits
maximize DPS output to clear the mission faster
olive ember
https://youtu.be/4HljPgZFcQk
ew
imagine playing rogue
and then playing pick pocket
robust meteor
imagine doing something for fun
his double or nothing series is really impressive. starts at level 1 on a fresh rogue. doesn't use stash or trading post
olive ember
how far does he get
feral verge
not fun on hi five
throwing
robust meteor
its still going. episode 11 is out tomorrow
olive ember
throwing
i was getting tilted cuz it felt like I was the only one at objective
and the rest of the team were just standing there hitting poxwalkers
feral verge
that was me earlier with 3 psyker team + a zealot
olive ember
but idek anymore cuz I thought it was lo five and it was actually hi five
feral verge
the other two psykers were running purg and refused to psuh
just hold down rmb
we barely made it to the end
the ammunition depot map
then we all died
cuz they were just purging the horde and not helping protect me with the ammo
that's the game where i revived them 11+ times and got that penance for 500 revives
feral verge
no chance
hollow spruce
\
grizzled jasper
that's the game where i revived them 11+ times and got that penance for 500 revi...
Puglyfe
lethal lagoon
Most of the crappy psykers in t5 switched classes, so things were great for a while, but the patch brought all the malice runners into t5.
rocky cedar
It's fun when you get bad people who actually learn lessons
I've had people sprint ahead in the first half and by the second time I've revived them suddenly they're playing a lot closer to the team
The ones who repeatedly make the same mistakes are annoying
ionic frost
My first 3 Heresy matches ended in failure, my first Damnation was a breeze... =D
Actually completed a damnation before a heresy.
rocky cedar
But by far my biggest gripe is people who just refuse to ever get their melee weapon out
We've I've seen it happen with all 4 classes plenty
Flamer Zealot
Anything Vet but especially recon
Almost any staff Psyker
ionic frost
@rocky cedar this probably isn't it...but since the last patch sometimes the game just doesn't want to let me switch to melee for a couple seconds.
rocky cedar
And stubber Ogryns
spice veldt
i've had a hab dreyko game where two purg psykers kept on dying
ionic frost
do a brainburst, swap to melee, still holding hands out =D
rocky cedar
Oh yeah inputs getting eaten definitely happens
But I mean people still actively firing their gun/staff while completely surrounded
ionic frost
Maybe it's their "fix" for brainburst instantly killing people for switching weapons too fast at 100% peril.
rocky cedar
Which is only ever really a good strategy with trauma or maybe Rumbler/GG
ionic frost
could work with a focused channeling staff when all 4 of you are surrounded in close quarters
eat 1 melee hit to torch everything
don't want to take more than that tho =)
spice veldt
with the downside that you don't get toughness back except from coherency or essence harvest/warp absorption
ionic frost
But yes some people never learn how to melee...
spice veldt
i prefer melee just for regenning toughness
ionic frost
they die faster with a little flames on them, so it could be helpful in the right situation
don't get melee'd to death doing it tho
Imagine if psyckers had zealot slide...
rocky cedar
Imagine if psyckers had zealot slide...
I mean their slides aren't very different
Zealot's lasts a little longer and he can't take toughness damage from melee (can still take health damage).
Getting hit by melee while sliding uh.... doesn't happen very often in my experience
steel flame
Has anyone else been using wrack and ruin after the patch. I'd like to compare notes
rocky cedar
Not yet, I'll probably give it a try at some point
What are you thoughts on it so far Zazy?
steel flame
Well you can certainly feel the lack of inner tranquility during barrage, that's for sure
rocky cedar
Yeah that's a big thing putting me off it
steel flame
But when you've got a horde with ogryns in it, the fire absolutely evaporates everything
rocky cedar
Yeah that seems like the strongest use case for it
There usually aren't THAT many Ogryns in a map though
I'm pretty sure they're ambient only
near wyvern
Has anyone else been using wrack and ruin after the patch. I'd like to compare n...
I have. Still sucks because you need to land a BB in the first place.
steel flame
The issue comes from the fact that it only triggers on elites and specials so there will be spells where it's not providing any value at all. Mainly during hordes and low intensity
echo turtle
I have. Still sucks because you need to land a BB in the first place.
this was what I felt after trying it
it’s just not there yet.
rn I am using + damage and pairing a fs with a flamestaff
rocky cedar
I'm assuming like all the other "on elite" feats it works on specials yeah?
ornate hamlet
"She ain't much, but she's got it where it counts"
echo turtle
the lack of tranquility is very noticeable
steel flame
In many missions with double vets actually getting the fire started at all is a fucking pain in the ass
rocky cedar
Yeah I still think chuck W&R in the bin and give us a gun feat
echo turtle
I would only take it if I was taking flayer
steel flame
But with a team of ogryns and zealots it really pops off
echo turtle
so theres more opportunities for it to work
steel flame
I really think it really really really needs to proc on monsters though
rocky cedar
If it worked on bosses that'd make it very slightly more tempting
echo turtle
yeah
rocky cedar
Would be good for assassination at very least
echo turtle
I have. Still sucks because you need to land a BB in the first place.
you try the new damage buff?
uh warp unleashed
rocky cedar
But yeah FR throw it in the bin and give us something entirely different
near wyvern
I'm assuming like all the other "on elite" feats it works on specials yeah?
They updated the description and it says specials as well
wide tiger
I'm not super wowed by warp unleashed, i get that we're getting extra damage but i'm not really looking for moar damage at this point
steel flame
I've been using wrack mainly on my laspistol psyker build and it provides really good clear in high intensity
But is less optimal in normal and low intensity
wide tiger
I'm looking for neat synergies in our feat tree and fun ways to change up my builds
I might be a minority but w/e
rocky cedar
Hey at least it's a very valid choice for FS and Void
echo turtle
Damage IS the synergy. When you have enough you can play different
wide tiger
Really is everyone playing different with warp unleashed now? :\
cyan notch
if ur using gun u might as well take wrack
echo turtle
it chabges whats possible, sometimes
spice veldt
warp unleashed didn't change any breakpoints for me except for not needing warp charges for certain things
steel flame
I mean void staff is still void staff with w
Unleashed, it's just even better,
rocky cedar
if ur using gun u might as well take wrack
But inner tranq + KB feels so nice
echo turtle
I an trying to get a max damage FS.
6 charge, unleashed. unstable, slaughterer
- mutant and + flak
near wyvern
you try the new damage buff?
Yes:
- It's a solid buff now
- It's still unreliable for meeting breakpoints unless you get it with the 10%
cyan notch
But inner tranq + KB feels so nice
yea thats the tradeoff which is fine imo
echo turtle
I would always run tranq with kb personally
really only doing unleashed with purg or guns
Void would be good
cuz you can quell midshot
rocky cedar
yea thats the tradeoff which is fine imo
Yeah it's still just a bit too dull and meh for me to take over inner tranq
But maybe I'm sleeping on it
near wyvern
I've been using wrack mainly on my laspistol psyker build and it provides really...
If you are looking for clear just use AB. Even the 4 stack version will weaken the horde greatly, 6 stacks will wipe the trash
echo turtle
damage is good
4 stacks can clear on T5 if you have + power build
and you take + vs infested
near wyvern
You think I don't know that padawan? 😂
echo turtle
I think they dojt
rocky cedar
4 stacks can clear on T5 if you have + power build
+power build?
near wyvern
+power build?
echo turtle
trust
rocky cedar
Ok HT + decimator
echo turtle
or unstable + slaughyerer
rocky cedar
Just there's a bunch of things that give power
echo turtle
yeah
near wyvern
The thing with Headtaker + Deci is just that you can't do anything else than block while it's going. So that feels really stupid.
Miss a swing to reset Deci and not all trash die
rocky cedar
Presumably you do not need +infested for the deci HT combo
echo turtle
You do if you want it to be reliable
rocky cedar
As in not decimator reliant?
echo turtle
like pygle said, its easy to reset decimator
its some janky shit, but if you wanna be like
different
thats a way to go
rocky cedar
I'd be doing HT + thrust + infested personally
echo turtle
shredder is probably the weapon of choice for that
since like, it also does power shit
rocky cedar
Yeah it's pretty short duration though
echo turtle
Anyax, shredder, 4chathe blaze build
near wyvern
but an antax with thrust and head taker
Trust also kills ranged mobs and bruisers?
echo turtle
likely with psykinetic aura
rocky cedar
And I can just cut out the middle man and shoot the horde down in the first place
echo turtle
Trust also kills ranged mobs and bruisers?
cant remember if it got them on 4, I think it can
you need + flak
near wyvern
It's not the flak shooters you should be worried about
echo turtle
I have the axe I can test jt tomo
i think it can kill ragers, gunners shotgunners
so, rhe flame can proc your aura
allowing more ult cycles
near wyvern
Flack damage is 1.0 and they have max 360 health. It's the unarmoured dreg gunner that is the challenge since they take 0.75 damage and have 400 health.
echo turtle
essence,
wrack,
aura,
(preference but deflection would be good),
flayer
Blaze
that would be the build I think
for a power blaze 4 stack T5
near wyvern
Yes that's the build I tried it with
echo turtle
shredder / antax
near wyvern
Deflection obviously since I had deci headtaker
feral verge
yee i like trauma
echo turtle
ye
near wyvern
yee i like trauma
You want to have +unarmoured and +infested for trauma. Makes a huge difference
feral verge
i have unarmoured
echo turtle
Yes that's the build I tried it with
how did it play?
feral verge
feral verge
You want to have +unarmoured and +infested for trauma. Makes a huge difference
is flak not necessary?
spice veldt
flak is nice for shotgunners/gunners
I disagree with +infested because the outer radius damage will finish them off
and with enough damage stat, warp charges are enough to push you over the threshold
echo turtle
yeah, you’ll get more when you play t5
near wyvern
how did it play?
You can kill stuff with the AB, the problem is that you can't attack while it's going so you can't BB to proc aura while it's going and you can't attack that trapper behind your team or you will not kill the horde.
It was reliable in getting the stacks back most of the time, but it's very meh. I would rather do a 4 stack and use my blazing spirit nexus trauma on the horde.
feral verge
i only play t5
feral verge
nah
spice veldt
you could go for another perk besides +flak like +unyielding if you want to kill the beast of nurgle faster
feral verge
psyker main. 250 hours
echo turtle
You can kill stuff with the AB, the problem is that you can't attack while it's ...
yeah, tue thrust fucks it up a bit
near wyvern
is flak not necessary?
No, Trauma will eat through the flak units like butter.
near wyvern
you could go for another perk besides +flak like +unyielding if you want to kill...
If you want to kill monstrosities faster you take cerebral lacerations and make sure your friend with the bolter had a good view of the weak spot.
near wyvern
empra just keeps on giving me guns. same as everyone else
I have around 10 recon lasguns 370+
echo turtle
I am thinking perhaps leaning into the FS with that build and trying to figure it out with skaughterer
near wyvern
And that's not counting the ones I have surrendered and sold
spice veldt
beast of nurgle takes extra damage from explosions, and that assumes you have friends
I'm not going to give up aura for cerebral when I can just change the perk on a staff
feral verge
i wish i held on to every item i got once i hit level 30 in nov
i sold everything
except
deflector force sword
cuz at the time that was the only blessing i cared about lol
i held onto that 230 rank sword, knowing at some point i could rip the blessing off
when crafting was implemented
near wyvern
I am thinking perhaps leaning into the FS with that build and trying to figure i...
Slaughterer will not be enough, lasts for too short of a time
rocky cedar
Remind me how many times unstable can stack?
And does anyone know what the peril levels for each stack are?
echo turtle
Slaughterer will not be enough, lasts for too short of a time
Yeah, that 2 second window is a problem
Im trying to farm a bloodthirst
to make a proper fire sword
near wyvern
Remind me how many times unstable can stack?
Unstable power or warp Unleashed?
echo turtle
generate enough charges in melee to keep the 6 chatge novas goong
rocky cedar
to make a proper fire sword
I also wanna try that but getting special attacks off regularly seems dangerous
Also giving up slaughterer is big oof
rocky cedar
True
spice veldt
usually goes well for me
rocky cedar
I just feel like slaughterer would ironically be pretty necessary to get good damage out of the blaze
idle bay
https://youtu.be/8zSLiEpAlm8
Now we know what will get nerfed next - Power bonuses across the board 🙂
robust meteor
is the modders server public? i cant find the invite link
idle bay
Speaking of Mods - free camera works in missions too
And you can use it to see if Scripture actually spawned inside the wall
When you are at the scripture spawn point. There is an audio cue of it's presence (hissing sound), but there are no scripture - it's inside the wall for sure 🙂
clear hamlet
I didn't know scriptures had an audio cue
idle bay
I didn't know scriptures had an audio cue
A lot of players don't. Because it's not very lound, and often drown in sounds of combat. Best way to hear it - is via headphones (also to give you direction),
And for player's inconvenience - vents and pipes often makes exactly the same noise 🙂
Example - elevator at the end of Metal Fab
It's like 5 scriptures around you
clear hamlet
I'm using headphones I usually can't hear it cause there is combat nearby I guess
idle bay
That's why you don't do look for books in the middle of combat 🙂
restive slate
But plasteel will completely distract me from the Ragers just to pick it up
robust relic
Question....let's say you had a good Mkv caxe, one stat is generally going to be a bit lower than the rest...which one would you want it to be?
clear hamlet
That's why you don't do look for books in the middle of combat 🙂
I don't but I'm most likely gonna get left behind because pugs
idle bay
But plasteel will completely distract me from the Ragers just to pick it up
It's exactly like this 🙂
Die heretics!! Oh a plasteel.. come here pretty.
restive slate
Yasss
idle bay
I don't but I'm most likely gonna get left behind because pugs
I go back and signal like crazy. Pinging the book, placing marker, and wrighting in chat ""BOOK HERE ON MY MARKER
restive slate
When finally one turns around and doubles back
clear hamlet
I had a pug like this yesterday and but I was already carrying a book and the other two guys ignored it
Damnation gaming
restive slate
Scoreboard mod shows that who has been collecting mats haha
wide tiger
120k
wide tiger
vets busy trying to melee and didnt kill any elites, complained we werent moving forward fast enough :p
woof
idle bay
If vet highlights a room full of shooters - and 10 seconds later they dissapear beacuse Volley fire ran out and not because they dead - he is TRASH
Or Ogryn ass ate most of the shots
one of 2
clear hamlet
I did my vets contracts yesterday and I almost slept on my keyboard
Agripinaa brauto
Just press w + left click and you're good
idle bay
I did my vets contracts yesterday and I almost slept on my keyboard
I'm Vraks MK III Headhunter fan on all character who can use it 🙂
This thing is fast accurate and brutal. It makes you ask question - why brauto exist at all 🙂
It reliably staggers Poxhound 95% of time.
With certain set of perks and blessing you can even kill Smasher.. with karking autogun in less than a clip!
restive slate
Smasher?
idle bay
Armored ogyn with a hammer made from a block of concrete
restive slate
Oh Crushers
idle bay
Yeah.. them 🙂 Morning headache - messes up terms and names
wide tiger
I'm Vraks MK III Headhunter fan on all character who can use it 🙂
same
restive slate
Zealot dash with Vraks Mk 3 destroys Crushers
wide tiger
absolutely decimates them
rocky cedar
Vet can also brute force them with anti ogryn ult feat and crucian
Like just do so much damage that it'll kill them before the Ult ends anyway
wide tiger
but muh power sword
rocky cedar
I mean yeah, I just think it's funny that they can circumvent the carapace weakness with pure damage boosts and crits
wide tiger
Hey we have brainburst, we have a baseline pure damage ability against any enemy 😛
im not saying vets arent crazy but we do have a universal killing tool
void mural
worth buying a t4 headtaker combat axe for the blessing?
rocky cedar
Oh yeah I'm a big BB stan
I get a slight aneurysm every time I see someone say it's bad
cold geode
worth buying a t4 headtaker combat axe for the blessing?
yes
lethal lagoon
bro, everytime I play with another psyker on a diff char, I'm always screaming in my head "Use your fucking brain burst"
They never do. Would rather tickle reapers and crushers with their void strike bleh
wide tiger
voidstrike can actually mess up crushers, not as fast as BB on a single one, but you're also cc'ing everything in an aoe at the same time
lethal lagoon
And bulwarks, god. You can 2 shot a bulwark now with BB, it's ridicilous.
But they never fucking do it.
@wide tiger It was you wasn't it....
lethal lagoon
If you have the aoe feat, 2 BBs on an elite kill ALL horde.
wide tiger
anyone running voidstrike definitely does not have wrack and ruin
lethal lagoon
Voidstriking is never the move. That's the problem with that staff. It makes psykers forget they are psykers, not vet.
feral verge
Not me
lethal lagoon
Wrack and ruin buff honestly makes me run it on almost every build now.
feral verge
I use voidstrike only for hordes
lethal lagoon
More like huge audio and visual glitch. I can't have this argument again. Agree to disagree.
lethal lagoon
I really love all the buffs they've been giving psyker lately. I've always enjoyed the concept of BB.
restive slate
Could use a lil more buffs haha
spice veldt
i hate BB
ornate hamlet
i want my greatsword
spice veldt
i want my greatsword
i like your name
ornate hamlet
i like your name
thanks
restive slate
I want my staves melee to matter
lethal lagoon
I want the power sword we had in the trailer, we need a force sword that basically does that.
wide tiger
lol
lethal lagoon
It could have been a cool move instead it's just garbage
wide tiger
I still want to be able to boop allies with it
ornate hamlet
dude please i just want my two handed force sword
i want more actual large weapons
i feel like theres a major lack of horde cleavers
spice veldt
i dream of a 2h force sword every night
wide tiger
force gattling gun when
ornate hamlet
i wanna be tiny brain giga cock big weapon user
restive slate
Just add an effect related to the staff for the melee
spice veldt
they could've had a niche blazing spirit synergy with a bloodthirsty force sword, but staff specials can't even proc blazing spirit
wide tiger
Id like it if they added some kinda shield to the staff
restive slate
Change staff melee into a force block??
ornate hamlet
also i wish psyker was more lore accurate
sinful vigil
any good?
ornate hamlet
like they are just actually fucking demonic
lethal lagoon
Make an AOE staff slam, gimme that Gandalf shit.
restive slate
Trauma?
lethal lagoon
I meant for the staff melee
wide tiger
like they are just actually fucking demonic
I think thats actually just imperium propaganda, until they surrender to the warp no?
ornate hamlet
I think thats actually just imperium propaganda, until they surrender to the war...
no no there is actual lore for them
ornate hamlet
where they are basically the girl from the exorcist
ornate hamlet
I think thats actually just imperium propaganda, until they surrender to the war...
well atleast unsanctioned ones
lethal lagoon
Summon a Deamonhost when you blow up from peril KEKW
ornate hamlet
which is what you are in darktide
wide tiger
yes please
ornate hamlet
your unsanctioned
feral verge
Afaik Mk4 dueling sword is best horde clear, mk5 is best single target and the mk2 is the meh middle forund
wide tiger
let me turn into a daemonhost
restive slate
A 20 year old Psyker can look like a shriveled up corpse with pupilless eyes
wide tiger
so i can go after my team mates
ornate hamlet
basically your fucking insane
wide tiger
how dare you let me go over 100% peril
ornate hamlet
A 20 year old Psyker can look like a shriveled up corpse with pupilless eyes
i dont really like that
i just want them to be able to do crazy shit
say crazy shit
have like weird stuff happen
sinful vigil
gotcha
ornate hamlet
also i kind of want a mechanic similar to the malkavians in VTM where you hear others thoughts as schizoid illusions
especially for seer
restive slate
Reminder that our boss is the Inquisition, such Psykers are usually held close by the Inquisitors themselves
wide tiger
one time i dodged 16 times and then my psyker disappeared from existence and was replaced by a dude in prison garb and a las pistol named Dickot
seems pretty crazy to me
ornate hamlet
Reminder that our boss is the Inquisition, such Psykers are usually held close b...
yeah
feral verge
Dickot gaming
uneven drift
Why are they on the same staff
Now i need to decide what to rip off.
wide tiger
well if it helps surge only exists at t4
you can still get transfer peril at a different tier
but tough choice
uneven drift
Yeah, i know. Fuck rng
full egret
feels like they removed brain burst stun
so many specials I go to stun with it, and nothing
uneven drift
Bombers ignore it 100% now. Noticed after crafting patch.
spice veldt
bombers have pretty much always ignored it except for a small period after they throw their bomb
uneven drift
Before you was able to interrupt the throw, now they ignore it straight away.
wide tiger
yeah i do recall interrupting bomber throws
rocky cedar
I definitely recall making bombers drop their grenade at their feet with the BB stun
spice veldt
it was unreliable and I'm pretty sure it only happened if you started your BB at a specific time such that the midway point lined up with right when they were about to throw the nade
i don't recall it being particularly consistent
otherwise I wouldn't have bothered getting into the habit of throwing LMBs at them
well actually I would have since BB is still slow
hmm
uneven drift
Well, anyway, something is definitely has changed, since now many enemies not get stunned by BB.
spice veldt
feels about the same; flamers, gunners, doggies, etc. still get affected by the BB stun
rocky cedar
I've found bogs inconsistent
Definitely seen them not get staggered by it while they're running around
spice veldt
very sketch
only works when they're mid pounce
otherwise it just makes them shake their head
summer prairie
There's smite_stagger_immunity but only ogryns have it. But it likely also depends on what the target is doing
feels like way more breeds are immune though
spice veldt
bombers can still be interrupted if the stun hits them during their throw
steel egret
Airborne dogs Ive seen freeze on air and such so I wouldnt really try to make sense of dogs
spice veldt
they seem to get stagger immunity though
i can't stagger bombers during the next throw
or my timing is bad
yeah the timing is just insanely strict on bombers
even with the RMB trick, it's hard to do it on them
uneven drift
Well, mb i'm insane, but before crafting update i had no issues to stun bomber's during throw. Seems they changed some values than. Intentionally or not.
summer prairie
maybe general stagger thresholds, I doubt it is specifically for BB
wide tiger
I've noticed the stagger on bb is being applied way later
Used to be halfway through, or felt like it anyway
summer prairie
it still is unless you use barrage
spice veldt
it's still halfway at least in the meatgrinder
still works on the usual enemies as it did pre-patch
uneven drift
Well, FS have record of thing where working in grinder and not working in match
spice veldt
that's true; fire frenzy for autoguns is broken in the grinder but i'm pretty sure it's fine outside of it
at least last patch that was the case
uneven drift
I guess, there can be some server fuckery with config files different from client and things work different since grinder is clientside only.
But who know, mb we are just hallucinating
wide tiger
Or playing into lag, shrug
real sapphire
RNG did not bless me this day.
obtuse crypt
Hadron bec9mi g increasingly stingy every patch (fatshark has to get player hours somewhere)
torn shadow
just made this
uneven drift
Meme become a reality
near wyvern
I have a feeling we can soon end the debate for is the flurry bugged for purgatus and surge or not
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/purgatus-and-surge-warp-flurry-bug/76536
made the report with evidence, we shall see for the response
uneven drift
torn shadow
yea the warp flurry thing is annoying
uneven drift
I bet we end up with "aknowledged" tag for a year
summer prairie
Pygex I already have a bug report about the same issue and it has a dev reply indicating that he found the cause
summer prairie
It was before this patch but maybe the fix is in a different branch
near wyvern
why delay the fixes tho
summer prairie
My title wasn't very descriptive
uneven drift
PriOriTiES
summer prairie
Maybe they had the patch finalized
You can get the same pause with other staves with the first flurry activation if you chain staff specials into charging. Maybe with lmb too
near wyvern
yeah first cast after lmb seems to have the little pause
so optimal atm is 4 lmb, 1 quick charge rmb and you are at full speed with minimal peril
in terms of minimizing peril generated
still hearth
Well 4 specials and 1 quick RMB if you really want to focus on taking no peril. But the 4 LMB is definitely faster.
It's actually kind of fun to spam specials while moving along to have the stacks ready.
summer prairie
Actually maybe I misinterpreted the dev comment and they didn't have a fix at the time.
uneven drift
Can you give link?
summer prairie
He may have been talking about the bug itself being hard to find https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/warp-flurry-on-the-surge-staff-still-does-not-work-as-intended/75879/2
near wyvern
It's actually kind of fun to spam specials while moving along to have the stacks...
the first one to say this is the intent behind the staff specials will get their brain bursted
summer prairie
I thought he was talking about the cause
uneven drift
Yeah, not really clear what he meant.
near wyvern
the response does imply that he found the problem but then again, Guendolin clearly is not the most fluent in English (based on the response to my other report)
still hearth
the first one to say this is the intent behind the staff specials will get their...
"This is the intent behind the staff specials"
near wyvern
so there is no way to know what they ment for sure
still hearth
Technically you were first but 
near wyvern
"This is the intent behind the staff specials"
still bane
Why can't the Surge staff inflict soulfire
near wyvern
because electrical fires don't exist in the future
still bane
My dreams are ruined
uneven drift
Because devs didn't give the appropriate blessing, i guess.
still bane
Yeah
still hearth
It wouldn't even be a big thing most of the time
Since the Blaze thing is capped at 6 stacks
And you only hit 6 targets anyway
You'd just kill the 6 targets over time if they're goons
But that's probably OP
still bane
Does anyone have any interesting ideas or news about new psyker weapons
near wyvern
yes
we will get guns with no bullets so we can bash with them, and then we will also get a leather strap that we can use to slap each others instead of the enemies
still bane
I came up with an idea the other day
Brace of throwing knives that you tk at people
uneven drift
Power dildo so psykers can entertain themself.
still bane
Oh?
still bane
I had no idea
Huh
still hearth
But it is a nice idea
still bane
What else is there
uneven drift
There are none. Crit chance is only you really may want.
brave vale
Warp Flurry and Warp Nexus no?
uneven drift
Flurry still not working on Purge/Surge.
fading heath
i dont know if i should buy this or hold out for tier 4 slaughterer
olive ember
If you have something similar prob not but if nothing else then it’s worth
cyan notch
t3 slaughterer is pretty commong just from upgrading to blue so if u wanna buy for the blessing then no
fading heath
yeah probably
olive ember
whats the best blessings for a surge staff
Warp nexus and then terrifying barrage. If/when warp flurry gets fixed then you would swap terrifying barrage out
still hearth
Good.
olive ember
Pls explain for smol brain
still hearth
Antax shouldn't have Finesse
olive ember
But but mah crits
forest coral
antax in poverty
olive ember
Think of all the antax crit builds
still hearth
Poor Antax
forest coral
what do u reckon is the big boi of melee now
cyan notch
i dont think cleave targets does anything for antax lmao
forest coral
well nah
olive ember
what do u reckon is the big boi of melee now
Devils claw
forest coral
but the tragic maniac dam is something
olive ember
Something something ogryn chat complained hard enough to catfish
lament sonnet
I can't check atm but does that cleave stat actually affect the damage of the later targets too?
still hearth
olive ember
Just search catfish comments
lament sonnet
Or is it a hard falloff
forest coral
ogryn chat bullying fatshark
olive ember
Something about reverting changes for bull cleaver and antax
still hearth
The falloff is always based on a hidden weapon stat
olive ember
Reddit chat
lament sonnet
You sure?
still hearth
Even on weapons that have cleave damage as a %
olive ember
Ehhh half n half
still hearth
Reddit often loves Fatshark
lament sonnet
I can't go anywhere without people shitting on them
olive ember
You got the Doomers and the white knights
cyan notch
cleave targets is just the number of targets the hits can cleave to
lament sonnet
Reddit included
olive ember
Especially since they came out with the update that was 3 months late
The white knights have been out and about
lament sonnet
Bro, you are sleeping on the treasure trove
forest coral
lament sonnet
There is plenty to be had and it's WAY less toxic than gaming subs
Which is....jarring to say
cyan notch
at 80 cleave its 1.3 per light and heavy which is.........who the hell cares
lament sonnet
But still
forest coral
WHY WOULD U GO TO GAMING SUBS FOR PORN
olive ember
I mean
forest coral
olive ember
The ffxiv sub
lament sonnet
The point is, I don't use reddit for gaming chatter anymore
cyan notch
only big deal is making antax push attack cleave from 6 ->7.5 from 50 to 80
still hearth
Staggering another 2 targets 
still hearth
The biggest upside of cleave targets on Antax
Is that you have another dump stat if you run BM
olive ember
Did you ever beat phaleg
olive ember
🤔 I think technically you want to consecrate first and then rebless
Since you have a chance of getting either decimator or headtaker
cyan notch
dude how do u have a t1 on a purple
olive ember
Unless that’s not the strat?
cyan notch
did u upgrade from the shop
olive ember
Nah cuz most of the time you get like a t2 from consecrating
It’s wte you are going to be replacing that perk anyways
cyan notch
not even id say t3s are even more common upgrading
near wyvern
I am tempted but I won't given it's bugged on Purgatus AND apparently you can get a totally different roll when you buy from Melk at the moment.
olive ember
I am tempted but I won't given it's bugged on Purgatus AND apparently you can ge...
Wait what?
cyan notch
its been working for me i bought like 4 weapons in the last 2 days
olive ember
Different rolls?
near wyvern
Wait what?
reports on reddit that when people buy from melk at times it rerolls the weapon
near wyvern
I bought an infernus yesterday and got what I ordered
so I have not experienced that
but they do have a forum post where they collect all these incidents so it's a thing
summer prairie
They probably fixed that already since that's server side
near wyvern
They probably fixed that already since that's server side
maybe that was the small stealth update that was yesterday for 158Mb?
summer prairie
For me it says last updated on Tuesday
near wyvern
well, whatevs, if there is a bloodthirsty on my shop I am going to attempt to grab it
other blessings I don't need at this point
brave vale
worth getting?
olive ember
I mean they say they have a fix for warp flurry right that’s coming next major update in lateMarchTM
olive ember
worth getting?
Lmao no
near wyvern
I mean they say they have a fix for warp flurry right that’s coming next major u...
why hold fixes back
olive ember
Decent stats but wow that t1 blessing
still hearth
Get it
olive ember
why hold fixes back
No clue that’s just what I heard from somewhere tho
cyan notch
its good
still hearth
Enjoy a sick axe
olive ember
Lmao
still hearth
olive ember
The chances of him getting good blessing is like
cyan notch
if u get decimator/brutal momentum on upgrades ur good
near wyvern
yeah, I would just buy it, upgrade to orange and then see if you can make something out of it
still hearth
The whole system is skewed anyway so play the gamba
still hearth
Its only one Damnation game to upgrade to legendary anyway
summer prairie
gunslinger BB does 50% extra damage vs berserkers, but worse vs bosses/super armor, decent trade
still hearth
It mostly depends on how much you mind your resources.
near wyvern
so much can go wrong when you upgrade in the game that for antyhing that is 370+, you want to upgrade to orange and then see if it's something that can be made good
olive ember
gunslinger BB does 50% extra damage vs berserkers, but worse vs bosses/super arm...
Gunslinger BB?
cyan notch
theres only like 6 tac axe blessings and the worst case scenario is u get limbspliter and u replace it with BM
but u still have headtaker and bm with good stats
olive ember
Gunker subclass confirmed?
brave vale
You can only replace one blessing?
near wyvern
if you limit yourself only to the "absoulte perfect candidates" you will be extremely disappointed when Hadron spits on it with the rolls and then you go cry in a corner because you can't have good weapons
still hearth
You can only replace one blessing?
Yes
olive ember
if you limit yourself only to the "absoulte perfect candidates" you will be extr...
I’m always disappointed
summer prairie
Confirmed in the sense they were developing it at one point
still hearth
So you have to get lucky with the other one now.
summer prairie
makes sense with all these guns too
olive ember
Id cope if I played gunker seriously kek
But meh
I wish they removed the aids rng
Like in VT 2 you could craft the perfect weapon
and I wasn’t even a particular fan of the 1% drop rate loot boxes and then the spam ad nasuem perk refresh
cyan notch
yea cuz weapons didnt have stats and u could reroll everything else
summer prairie
a perfect v2 weapon only really needed swiftslaying and one or two perks
uneven drift
Just get lucky, bro.
olive ember
I can handle grind with consistent progress (I played world of tanks ffs) but this shit might as well be endless
still hearth
You can get a perfect weapon
Just grind the RNG
Get a 380 with perfect distribution, roll perfect perks and perfect blessings.
summer prairie
many psykers already have perfect staves
still hearth
Easy.
summer prairie
the distribution is barely relevant
cyan notch
not 380 not perfect
still hearth
Perfect = perfect.
cyan notch
not t4 perks and blessings = trash
still hearth
Is it worth the hassle of going from 75% to 80% damage?
Probably not
But I want a perfect one
olive ember
Over the current system which is legit just
summer prairie
maybe you will cleave the third target for 2 more damage
olive ember
Haha I get resources to spend and I get nothing
still hearth
idle bay
Meanwhile i found another DH cheese on reddit. They can't jump ^)
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11mgpmi/psyker_loweffort_daemonhost_solo/
formal flume
With the current system, the grind system is about all there is in the endgame 
olive ember
Idk maybe I’m weird as shit
But id prefer a hard grind knowing I’m making progress at getting that 1% damage boost over this endless bs
That’s just haha rng and more rng and more rng
cyan notch
yea its trash
idle bay
Endgame is typing bad jokes in mission chat 🙂
olive ember
Endgame is bringing meme builds into damnation
cyan notch
i just type sex
idle bay
And moking bad knife-zealots wannabies
cyan notch
and then i leave for a mission
olive ember
Endgame is arguing with other players in discord on what is best to bring into endgame
Knowing full well that most people talking have beaten hi damnation and that they different builds work
But god damn if I fucking see someone with kinetic shield I’m gonna mald
idle bay
Pretty much everything can work. But amount of strees you will put yourself in will vary 🙂
olive ember
I mean I brought a funny laspistol psyker into hi five thinking it was a lo five
Not fun but we beat it
still hearth
Maniacs damage was reduced heavily on axes
To a reasonable level
So its less helpful now
Limbsplitter is okay but I personally think it doesn't synergise well with the axes
Nor its other blessings
brave vale
fucking
is there a resource i can look up
to tell me whats good or meta
im coming back after forever and i have no idea whats going on now
olive ember
Tbh it’s just that people have found more shit
idle bay
is there a resource i can look up
Well... to say about such resources... if you see them promoting Revolver vets - RUN!
olive ember
And scrutinized data more
still hearth
If they full revert it I'll laugh
idle bay
theyre reverting the manaic nerf so
Why ? 0_0
olive ember
Ogryn chat complained enough
rocky cedar
It was a really dumb "fix"
olive ember
Also @still hearth uses a phaleg emote, but goes silent when I ask if she ever beat her
Sus
olive ember
It was a really dumb "fix"
Oh so now everyone thought the fix is dumb
rocky cedar
It made no sense how bad it made Antax against maniacs
olive ember
.> that’s not what I heard 2 days ago
still hearth
Also <@123830341696880641> uses a phaleg emote, but goes silent when I ask if sh...
I haven't played that game
It makes no sense how good antax was
olive ember
.o.
olive ember
Wait
rocky cedar
Oh so now everyone thought the fix is dumb
I didn't realise how severe it was till I actually tested it
And realised it was like halved
summer prairie
by the way, the antax having cleave targets instead of finesse is now, unsurprisingly, flagged not-a-bug
still hearth
I liked the emotes
still hearth
No
rocky cedar
Against everything
Yes but I think the issue there is brutal momentum not the single target damage
rocky cedar
Yeah that's weird
still hearth
That's just silly
rocky cedar
But how much it was lowered by is silly
rocky cedar
And honestly the heavies are also weirdly bad
still hearth
Antax doesn't suck against anything
I think its a deserved thing but also BM still needs to go
rocky cedar
Yeah again that feels fitting with its identity... If it wasn't for brutal momentum
olive ember
Neither does the power sword but I don’t see vets complaining
still hearth
Sure if it didn't have BM I'd be fine with it chopping any single target
Though we also have other weapons
That are single target
And don't fuck up everything
rocky cedar
Brutal momentum at least needs to not be so free
still hearth
rocky cedar
Like have a cooldown
near wyvern
it does have an internal cooldown
like 5 seconds I think
or at least
it is very inconsistent with VIII caxe first heavy
rocky cedar
like 5 seconds I think
But that's ticking down while it's active right?
still hearth
I thought it just didn't refresh? Though I haven't looked at the code.
near wyvern
sometimes you go through heads, other times you are stopped after the first kill
rocky cedar
I thought it just didn't refresh? Though I haven't looked at the code.
That's also what I thought
near wyvern
But that's ticking down while it's active right?
yes
summer prairie
it doesn't refresh
rocky cedar
Yeah pretty sure that's just it not refreshing
Causing it to fall off for like 1 hit
I feel like it needs at least an actual cooldown starting from when it wears off
still hearth
Just make it only one swing like Devastating
rocky cedar
Or just to not give actual infinite cleave
rocky cedar
If it was like +200% cleave it would probably be fine
near wyvern
Or just to not give actual infinite cleave
you will regret this when damnation++ is introduced
olive ember
Pls no nerf to my favorite axe
My vet can’t handle any more antax nerfs
I’ll be forced to go back to the power sword
rocky cedar
I think it's definitely a little too good, assuming maniac damage is fully reverted
near wyvern
just lower the attack speed and problem solved
rocky cedar
That just makes it feel more clunky
olive ember
Decent against hordes, useable against carapace
cyan notch
they should just put the old light damage values into the heavy
olive ember
Its not like it just deleted shit
cyan notch
boom problem solved
olive ember
Yep
still hearth
Have you seen other melees
still hearth
That's a nice joke
near wyvern
xD
still hearth
idle bay
They should give Psykers Ogryn's Latrine Shovel to use as 2 handed version
This weapon is terrifying
rocky cedar
Decent against hordes
It's fantastic control, it's not great actual clear speed by any measure
near wyvern
gimme a spiked mace so I can bonk people after throwing them on my feet with trauma
combat blade stab starts to get old
rocky cedar
Rashad almost feels like a mace
still hearth
It's fantastic control, it's not great actual clear speed by any measure
It has insanely good clear speed
Unless you compare it to Power Sword
near wyvern
rashad weakspot fix when
rocky cedar
It's doing like 40 damage to the 3rd and beyond target
still hearth
Yes and you can stack
24% damage from Psyker
And 50% Power
It'll be doing noticeable chunks
rocky cedar
If you have max decimator stacks sure
still hearth
And get a choke points and its actually stupid
near wyvern
74.4 damage
rocky cedar
I don't think that's super consistent
near wyvern
that's still 5 swings to kill a poxwalker without any perks, but +10 groaner pox is enough to put it on 4
with the cleave that is
rocky cedar
Yeah with a tight enough choke I see it being pretty damn good
still hearth
Yes but
That's still more
Than most other weapons
The only three that 100% outperform it
olive ember
I mean
still hearth
Are Power Sword, Heavy Sword and Bull Butcher
olive ember
Hsword clears
rocky cedar
I wouldn't be surprised if a fully stacked force sword gets close
olive ember
Yeah
That’s one for each class
What does psyker have
Exactly the axe
Antax is psykers horde clear weapon yes yes
🙂
still hearth
Force Sword doesn't have the infinite cleave but it stacks up to a decent amount iirc.
rocky cedar
I've never actually looked at the clear speed of a good devils claw
rocky cedar
So not sure where that stands for horde clear
still hearth
It also doesn't have the two diagonal and one horizontal swings
olive ember
Ew taxe and chord
still hearth
Claw is decent, but its just a worse Heavy Sword.
cyan notch
max slaughterer gives fs heavies like 10 cleave
olive ember
But honestly antax I don’t think is that bad, it’s not the best horde clear, it’s not the best single target
olive ember
It’s just generally good but, hey people don’t complain about the autopistol or the mk 12
still hearth
A big margin
olive ember
Which are also good at p much everything
still hearth
People talk about XII being OP all the time
The Autopistol still has weaknesses but its way strong in its niche now
rocky cedar
The range weakness on autopistol is definitely noticeable
olive ember
Idk I use antax mostly for horde clear anyways so any nerfs I’d prefer to carapace or maniacs or wte
rocky cedar
Antax is definitely not bad at anything
olive ember
That’s the only reason you bring the antax over the other axes
rocky cedar
Which is unusual
olive ember
So nerfing the horde clear is def not the move
still hearth
But the other axes also have the same horde clear (theoretically)
Rashad with fixed priority is basically a superior Antax
rocky cedar
I wouldn't mind Antax single target even being improved if BM got straight nuked