purg has the same delay as surge when flurry triggers. It's not too bad though
#psyker-class
summer prairie
near wyvern
I definitely need to give the 4 stack Headtaker Decimator AB a run at damnation. Seems promising. Suck my axe 6 stack whiners.
steel flame
I can't be bothered with frames in Tide games. I still have classes without borders in vermintide or I pick a pretty one regardless of whatever its for, cant even remember most of them 
restive slate
I leave my frames as default to remind my Operatives that they're still prisoners despite all the gear
olive ember
I mean technically we are are part of the inquisition now
restive slate
Inquisitorial prison soldiers
surreal eagle
You lack taste, and style. You're not ready for fashion tide
rocky cedar
I definitely need to give the 4 stack Headtaker Decimator AB a run at damnation....
Oh I knew soulblaze stacked head taker, didn't know that worked for decimator too
Neat
obtuse crypt
Personally it's how they keep adding these hidden drawbacks like upgrading now having way more of a chance for level 2 perks every time they make it seem like the crafting system is changed that you can clearly see they're doing to make it just as grindy while appearing to be more manageable so people would get sucked back in
near wyvern
Oh I knew soulblaze stacked head taker, didn't know that worked for decimator to...
Yea you just have to make sure your last hit with the axe was a connected hit for the decimator to work. So slap something and then just hold block and doge until AB is over.
cyan notch
Personally it's how they keep adding these hidden drawbacks like upgrading now h...
huh didnt they make it so upgrading has more chance of t3/t4
obtuse crypt
A lot of people are complaining about getting a fuck ton of level 2 perks on upgrading myself included
near wyvern
A lot of people are complaining about getting a fuck ton of level 2 perks on upg...
We talking green to blue or purple to orange?
near wyvern
I have been getting only T3 and T4 from purple to orange
obtuse crypt
I'm talking about the perks
near wyvern
AHH I was talking for the blessings
near wyvern
:/
obtuse crypt
Gotta get that player grind somehow 
Can't let the players actually get what they want and stop playing that's a nono 
near wyvern
Gotta get those playtime counters up for investors
"You wouldn't believe what people are gaming now, check out our stocks to know more. Remember to like and subscribe so you get alerts when the player count rises!"
rocky cedar
I believe thrust also works for soul blaze boosting
Have definitely considered head taker + thrust caxe for a Purg build
steel flame
Can't let the players actually get what they want and stop playing that's a nono...
No no we need to frustrate them so much they quit instead
rocky cedar
Just hold on I'm charging my axe at thin air to strengthen soulblaze
Don't question it Vet
steel flame
Lol
obtuse crypt
No no we need to frustrate them so much they quit instead
Fat shark wondering why the mathematical formula they created and tweaked every patch designed to occupi players time with shit rng is causing them to leave 
rocky cedar
We need a Psyker with giant brain emoji for this server already
steel flame
Fat shark wondering why the mathematical formula they created and tweaked every ...
It's almost like pushing for "Player retention" has diminishing returns GASP
obtuse crypt
What sucks is that the core gameplay IS fun but it's buried under all these shit choices
And not like we'll get new content until they figure out the perfect way to waste people's time
rocky cedar
They did say content coming before end of month
Who knows what content
But we'll see
obtuse crypt
I'm so skeptical man, even the patches I was excited for had these shit hidden changes they made to make the grind more difficult then it seems
rocky cedar
I've been overall positive on most of the recent patches
Last one was pretty stinky though
still hearth
What sucks is that the core gameplay IS fun but it's buried under all these shit...
If you play Malice and don't care about upgrading
This game is probably kinda fun
But then you get a bit too good at the game
And Malice starts to be too easy
That's when it all goes downhill
spice veldt
i'm pining for that t4 slaughterer FS with +carapace so that I can dunk on crushers
rocky cedar
It's fun on Damn if you don't care too much about upgrading too
Just generally the less you care about upgrading the more fun the game is
obtuse crypt
Honestly at this point I just want a perfect weapon, like any of the weapons I prefer
But every weapon I have always has a downside lmao
still hearth
There's no need for perfect weapons but I feel the same.
I just want to have one to see how it feels tbh
steel flame
Malice got too easy around 150
I think I stopped playing malice and started damnation on day 2. Malice put me to sleep even while leveling up
still hearth
The only ones that are hugely improved are like autopistols and shotguns
golden tartan
mhm
golden tartan
very ammo hungry though
still hearth
steel flame
Everyone be sleepin on the laspistol supremacy
golden tartan
😛
Ngl I feel like we need a lot less ammo to go around
Atm ammo is too plentiful, esp once you throw in a psyker or two
still hearth
Sometimes it is and sometimes the game decides to choke you
I've had Damnation runs where we find big ammo packs around every corner
Then ones where we're all on orange
golden tartan
Fair, but usually thats when we have 4x ammo intensive guns in a team and low ammo spawns and people were using it kinda willy nilly
plucky perch
fellow spark heads 3 failed heresy runs, so im starting to think its me, how ever im the last to go down and twice was the only one to not die near the end, how do i better suport the team?
steel flame
I love when you drown in plasteel as you starve for ammo
cyan notch
fellow spark heads 3 failed heresy runs, so im starting to think its me, how eve...
do u have recorded gameplay
plucky perch
nu uh gaming laptop recording is crashy and inconsistent
still hearth
fellow spark heads 3 failed heresy runs, so im starting to think its me, how eve...
Kill stuff harder.
golden tartan
I've had Damnation runs where we find big ammo packs around every corner
They should just make the total ammo spawned relatively fixed tbh
steel flame
fellow spark heads 3 failed heresy runs, so im starting to think its me, how eve...
It sounds like your team split up alot
cyan notch
pretty hard to say besides dont die kill gooder
still hearth
The only way to support the team appropriately is to run ahead and kill stuff before they get hit
golden tartan
and give each section an amount
still hearth
Surge staff enjoyers go back to your caves
plucky perch
@steel flame i have seen that happen all three times
steel flame
That would do it
spice veldt
i genuinely do think that being extremely forward will keep your team from dying
spice veldt
except that you yourself are at risk of dying
spice veldt
on a super linear map like consignment yard, this is the best strat
literally just run and fuck ranged enemies up in melee
steel flame
The way I see it is if I'm gonna die I'm gonna do it with the team so theres no point hanging back on a dive most of the time
cyan notch
until u pull a bunch of reapers and gunners and ur team is collecting mats
spice veldt
consignment yard doesn't have too many sightlines like that
and i got me trusty trauma staff for such situations
i also usually collect mats anyways since running too far ahead of your team is a problem
idle bay
My new favourite mod - friendly NPC in Morningstar. Sir Melk inviting for a drink 🙂
cyan notch
default res speed is good enough
steel flame
Only issue with being out ahead is being the one to discover the 8 gunners hiding behind a railing and getting suppressed into next week
spice veldt
invoke the power of faith and hope that your ult is up
still hearth
My new favourite mod - friendly NPC in Morningstar. Sir Melk inviting for a drin...
My Psyker had just gotten the nice voicelines before the mod for some reason
He still dislikes all my other characters
Suppressed
On Psyker
Gunker meta incoming
golden tartan
Gunker meta incoming
Can psyker get brauto?
still hearth
Nope
spice veldt
our arms are too weak to handle brautos
still hearth
The best guns are like XII and the Vraks HH
I haven't tried infantry guns in a while though
steel flame
Open you eyes man. Laspistol supremacy is upon us, you just gotta wake up and see it
feral verge
npcs seem to be nice towards loner psyker
is las pistol any good on psyker?
i wanna try gunker at somepoint
summer prairie
You can chain staff special attacks to trigger flurry. If you do that, you'll get the flurry delay bug on the first cast even on trauma/void, but not on subsequent ones https://streamable.com/ckec6z
summer prairie
not sure if it's working on surge
plucky perch
@still hearth tis special battle meditation
lucid terrace
Spamming special swings into the air
I've been waiting for this day.
steel flame
is las pistol any good on psyker?
I've found great success with laspistol on damnation. It's more high effort than other options, mainly if you aren't getting headshots you aren't doing shit, but you can melt specials elites and ogryns in seconds
Still tweaking the build, rn I've got t1 1 and wrack and ruin instead of what's pictured
bold flint
I have a near perfect Lucius
I... barely feel a difference
i always notice because im a bodyshot king, but if we're talking 2-3% percentages then yeah i probably wouldnt notice either
summer prairie
the special attack still feels too slow to be good even for this
steel flame
Laceration pairs really well with laspistol.
plucky perch
so with both executor and the newly buffed warp unleashed feat even at miimum i think my force sword rll is hitting a certain bp on hoards ive found if i manage to conisstently land head shots with the two some what verticals and the finishing poke i actualy get some of the "good job" voice lines along side a bull butcher ogryn when i was melleing in a pinch
was also at max warp charges obviously
might be my imagination though
olive ember
you want slaughterer
it basically gives you 3x the power without needing to keep hitting heads
surreal eagle
Still tweaking the build, rn I've got t1 1 and wrack and ruin instead of what's ...
I use a very similar set up but like you said recently switched to wrack and ruin. Aura over laceration, and ranged toughness while using a stam curio for revive. Aura is pretty goated with vets and helps quell more peril for more toughness with quelling. I tried warp battery builds but they just are not as good
olive ember
with it you don't particularly need warp unleashed and yeah
plucky perch
aware its supiroer but its literarly NEVER dropped for me in 200 hours of play
plucky perch
so im making do with a roll i already have
plucky perch
and i have literarly NO issue keeping head shots rolling in melle
olive ember
actually warp unleashed only helps with special attack on FS iirc
plucky perch
thought it effected base damage too...
olive ember
so if you are one shotting trash thats just warp charges + executor doing the work
plucky perch
one sec will meat grinder to check
olive ember
i could be wrong but I was pretty sure
plucky perch
nope
100% works on normal and heavy attacks too
tested with mutiple repeat light attacks to both groaner torso/ limbs fro the same position multiple times
base damage is 61, warpflurry NO peril 67, warp flurry max peril 77
witch means even with out warp stacks i was hitting a certain break point of killing the first and second weakpoint hit pox walker ina hoard and staggering more to follow.. might even kill a third at max stacks high peril AND maxed executioner
annnndd managed to test yes insta kills the first two horde chaff if i manage to line up the head shots does heavy damage to the third and thanks to the power bonus does actualy manage to stagger a decent number after.... still wish a slaughter would drop for me though
feral verge
unstable power too
plucky perch
that would be a fun synergy to combine
though i tend to like keeping deflector
if only because marching into fire with it can feel kinda awesome
i normaly dont worry about bps or anyhting but this sorta satisfys me know i can relyably one shoft shaff
olive ember
yeah alright force weapon applies to FS normal attacks
feral verge
cyan notch
what is that skin
plucky perch
dasa good roll!
feral verge
preorder skin
cyan notch
oh rip
feral verge
its available in the uh
plucky perch
i got +flack and + carpace on mine
bold flint
the only "preorder" skin is the B hat
cyan notch
i notice the effort to get t4 stamina
feral verge
imperial edition skin
feral verge
HAHAHAHHA WORTH LESS ONLY 15% BLOCK EFFICENCY GO DELETE THAT THING
bold flint
it affects a lot of things you want it to affect but its not likely to hit any breakpoints
plucky perch
@olive ember i think +flak is better since 90% of eleites are flak? i think?
olive ember
it only rly matters on maulers tho
I can one shot scab ragers
and dreg ragers etc. aren't flak
summer prairie
The patch had some quicken related changes but not sure what they do. Maybe nothing at this stage
surreal eagle
i normaly dont worry about bps or anyhting but this sorta satisfys me know i can...
So that's where my 1 shot Mutant BP went...
Interesting finding
steel flame
I use a very similar set up but like you said recently switched to wrack and rui...
Glad to see someone else experimenting too. I have been using quietude but it's milage varies, i swapped to toughness on warp charge but that can kinda peter out without aura. I usually do run aura but I've found I can melt through reapers after bb with laspistol than just doing bb or pistol.
summer prairie
Not much to tell because I don't understand them. The ability itself now has "stacks = 1" modifier and the stack(s) are used in some other ability functions in some way
still hearth
surreal eagle
Glad to see someone else experimenting too. I have been using quietude but it's ...
Sounds like a good option to have if you want to really help clear gunners
steel flame
Trying to hammer out the finishing touches. A new las with 80 in everything but mobility and the change to wrack have really increased the damage I can put out which is nice
steel flame
Put toughness on crit kill blessing on to help smooth toughness regen
olive ember
just crashed trying to switch loadouts in the meat grinder
steel flame
It helps
still hearth
but holy shit im crashing alot
I crashed by blowing up a barrel
And looking at it
surreal eagle
Yeah, I think i'll build one. Gunners can be tough to deal with when you have no vet, and a bunch zelots as psyker
forest coral
Autogun on vet is like
Party time until bulwark
And then no more party, only angy
olive ember
or snipe across the map
forest coral
Hue ye
surreal eagle
That's funny, the laspistol has a force push for special attack on psyker
steel flame
That's funny, the laspistol has a force push for special attack on psyker
It's really good too. 10m push kills on bursters, and you can stagger every special and elite except ogryns and flak rager
It's not like you can push flack ragers with melee anyway
Same force
surreal eagle
Huh it has really good crit damage i'm finding so getting the toughness on crit kill is actually pretty easy. Feels like ur not killing anything till it crits
surreal eagle
Head shots are too much effort. But I think with crit perks the pistol would be really interesting
It's almost 4x crit damage on the body
You must have really went down the rabbit hole to use the laz pistol. It's hard to generate toughness without a staff + quelling but toughness on crit kill blessing covers that
steel flame
You must have really went down the rabbit hole to use the laz pistol. It's hard ...
Yessir. I went all in
grizzled jasper
Collect blessing like Pokémon
uneven drift
knife+recon for maximum cancer.
olive ember
knife+recon for maximum cancer.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081319003479355412/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081306969366876251/image.png
uneven drift
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081319003479355412/i...
It doesn't belong to knife-recon league of cancer.
forest coral
May I suggest Rashad axe and revolver
olive ember
It doesn't belong to knife-recon league of cancer.
knife is actually p good
and recon is useable kekw
uneven drift
olive ember
but yeah idk wat weapon to try out now
vale creek
isnt staffs are the most optimal weapons fpr psykers?
we really need subclasses or specializations... to make viable gun psykers
with different ulties and skills
steel flame
Like cough vermintide cough
olive ember
yes staffs are the meta
but honestly anything can work
psyker is actually pretty flexible
vale creek
imagine bending bullet fly or charging guns with psykinteic force
vale creek
u can use ur skill while wielding a gun arent u?
vale creek
i interact with F
E is my skill
just preference
Q is Bb stance
also could b melee focused psyker too like charging any mellee weapon with the element of ur staff
fire smolaxe goes brrrrr
but yea see you in 2 years if this will even happen
surreal eagle
I put grenades on down scroll wheel, works pretty well
river sand
well its not good, but my highest rating item
river sand
was hoping for t4 transfer peril and good perks but i get this
timid storm
Is there a way to see what all the blessings are?
I want to upgrade my purgatus, but need to see which blessings are options/which i havent unlocked
river sand
theres a mod for that on nexus
olive ember
I want to upgrade my purgatus, but need to see which blessings are options/which...
perks or blessings
blessings you want warp nexus and terrifying barrage
bold flint
well its not good, but my highest rating item
damn that blessing seems kinda crazy tho
basically reads 100% more damage on crit
olive ember
purge and surge staff blessings are: warp nexus, warp flurry, run n gun, focused channeling, terrifying barrage
of that measly list
only warp nexus and terrifying barrage are worth bringing
warp flurry would be BiS after nexus if it actually worked but
currently broken
uneven drift
What do you mean by "meaningful breakpointy stuff"?
left basin
"iz new pamch gud"
feral crater
did the new patch make us reach any meaningful breakpointy stuff?
I saw a vid about it making you 2 hit ogryn type enemies with BB + wrack and ruin
left basin
I saw a vid about it making you 2 hit ogryn type enemies with BB + wrack and rui...
that was the lacerations last patch no
huh
feral crater
For the crusher, you need both wrack+lacerations
Or a weapon swap
Still not impressive but I guess it is better
XD
left basin
you don't need wrack and ruin for it tho no
feral crater
ok
vagrant furnace
Wrack is just too niche
feral crater
yeah
still hearth
Well, the base 10% works I think?
feral crater
Obese fish OP
still hearth
But the scaling is what's scuffed I imagine
left basin
I WANT BOMKY BBs 😠
summer prairie
Code looked fine to me
still hearth
Barrage with Wrack and Ruin
olive ember
wrack and ruin good now?!?!?!
summer prairie
Who says it doesn't work
still hearth
The vidya
olive ember
summer prairie
I think I'll choose to believe the code
still hearth
All the time
The code has never been wrong before 
Immeasurably complex
But yeah idk
summer prairie
They literally just changed the min and max values and it uses the same scaling
still hearth
He hits flak and only the arm
And does some math
I'll check it in game myself sometime
summer prairie
Someone else here was testing it with FS and was getting 25 I believe
feral crater
The big thing about scaling is when there is modifiers on modifiers.
Having +10% when you already have +100% is only a small increase.
So could be that the guy just assumed it is a direct multiplayer instead of addition to other multipliers
still hearth
I just realized
They do the wrong calculation
Since Warp Unleashed adds 10% to begin with
still hearth
And they're like "calculate the number I got from the hit at 0%"
Yeah it probably works as intended
Just YT brain
still hearth
Yeah it does 25% correctly
The YouTuber just missed that it does 10% always
Apparently they said so in the comment too
So there you go
cyan notch
2 months ago we didnt even have comm links
still hearth
So has anyone tried Wrack and Ruin properly?
rocky cedar
Tyr posted a video defending it at one point
still hearth
Yeah I saw
But I want t o see in game
In the Psykarnum it looks okay
But that doesn't account enemies running around
Wrack and Ruin can two shot Crushers now though
rocky cedar
Seems like it'd be good for clearing around Ogryn elites
still hearth
That's funny
summer prairie
Maybe in hi damnation, also depends on your team comp
rocky cedar
And maybe clearing some shooters around gunners
floral solstice
tried wrack on my surge build today with AB and communion, not sure if wrack helped a bit with warp charges
summer prairie
It's decent against rager and elite shooter groups if someone else doesn't nuke them
floral solstice
might try it more tomorrow with barrage
safe crystal
What
floral solstice
lol
still hearth
Time to make a BB only build with All or Nothing
floral solstice
no charges?
still hearth
Nah you need 6 stacks
fair kayak
you need - All or nothing + Cerebral + Wrack and Ruin
rocky cedar
Seems like it might be alright with a head taker axe too
still hearth
And lacerations I think
forest coral
No charges?
rocky cedar
Don't know if you can hit any meaningful breakpoints
still hearth
Wrack and Ruin isn't needed with All or NOthing.
summer prairie
Does it then still also apply to all staff damage
fair kayak
Don't know if you can hit any meaningful breakpoints
6 charges
summer prairie
Is this an old video
rocky cedar
Or am I misunderstanding you?
summer prairie
Does he show it working
safe crystal
Smh makes me do the tests
floral solstice
the thumbnail has a bald psyker so i believe him
summer prairie
I mean he is 0/1 so far
rocky cedar
What has the staff got to do with all or nothing and Wrack and Ruin sorry?
I'm confused
still hearth
All or Nothing works with BB
So they're considering if it works with staffs too
And guns
rocky cedar
I see
safe crystal
Well, he could've ran the goddamn tests
rocky cedar
Isn't it like+5% power?
safe crystal
Im doing one in a bit, just a second
safe crystal
It DOES affect BB,huh
safe crystal
What a fucking weird interaction
safe crystal
I tested just now, adds some damage on BB
rocky cedar
My point was more even if it does affect staff who cares?
safe crystal
Doing staff now
It DOES affect staff damage
At least voidstrike, but there it is
Goes from 705 with all or nothing to 678 without
Staff used in the test
On a reaper
Full charges
summer prairie
Do you still have to have full stamina when you switch from your melee
echo turtle
tried wrack on my surge build today with AB and communion, not sure if wrack hel...
Yeah I was using wrack for the same reason and didn’t find it helped much
I think it probably is OK in a barrage build to clear horde when you are picking out spelites
safe crystal
Switching from 0 stam melee into void strike behaves the same as just running around 0 stam with staff
It also increases soul blaze damage passively, what
Its just a straight up +5% power to everything you do
still hearth
Not really a great deal but hey
That's better than the trash it was before
Now you can use it to two-shot crushers
cyan notch
yea but the thing is
olive ember
Goes from 705 with all or nothing to 678 without
woahhh a whole 27 damage
safe crystal
woahhh a whole *27 damage*
It was even lower with trauma
feral crater
Yeah... Likely to be "fixed" just coz it's a bug even though it barely matters 😄
mellow dock
As psyk what does everyone build? Toughness or Health
frail berry
summer prairie
They already fixed like over a dozen similar issues, just forgot all or nothing, understandably
rocky cedar
I've been running two toughness one stam and I'm loving life
leaden thunder
hp + tough regen for me, may run like 1 tough though as well
see if I can get enough to eat a shooter burst
uneven drift
As psyk what does everyone build? Toughness or Health
Preference. But i build full toughness+toughness regen+gunner res.
lilac tapir
interesting... so it's still possible to get Tier 3 Blessings from hourly shop, I wonder if you can get Tier 4...
rocky cedar
The only damage resistance perk I give one single damn about is sniper resist
I've been lag shot one too many times
Actually more than 1
rocky cedar
Yeah there are good arguments for both on Psyker
Mostly comes down to what damage sources you're trying to mitigate
mellow dock
i feel as though what i was running was optimal
leaden thunder
ye, toughness is generally better at counterng ranged while hp is better for melee
mellow dock
1 toughness 2x health
safe crystal
Running 2 health 1 toughness, with mostly toughness regen and +5% hp/toughness on all of them
olive ember
2 health and a wound
lets me perform not think and still have 2/3 of hp after everything is said and done
I personally find adding extra toughness won't make that much of a difference
a single shooter strips toughness in one burst anyways, having 20% more won't change much
having more hp helps against corruption and scratch damage like the stupid pox walker that the shield ogryn knocks behind you or poxhounds and mutants
also helps against BS like snipers, bombers, flamers which outright screw your toughness over if it touches you
echo turtle
The only damage resistance perk I give one single damn about is sniper resist
sometimes you just take a hit
still hearth
Not going down to one sniper shot
echo turtle
gunner resist I also like
still hearth
I wish they'd rework how sniper works on toughness
olive ember
if sniper just did BS toughness damage and then bleedthrough
I might stack toughness damage
but as it is now I don't think it cares about your toughness like at all
still hearth
It does.
But you need to tank
100% of the toughness damage
Or you take full HP damage
olive ember
and how much toughness does it go through again?
cyan notch
yes
still hearth
1250
olive ember
Someone just needs to play a vet with max toughness curios and toughness perks
still hearth
Or 1225
still hearth
You can tank
Several sniper shots
With Unwavering Focus and Sniper Resistance
It's absolutely hilarious
With max DR I think you take 10% damage from snipers
Which is actually the base HP damage
And you can have up to 340 toughness I think
SO you can tank more than two sniper shots
But then you need a Zealot too
still hearth
I'm going for full toughness, sniper and gunner resistance on Vet
At some point
Just to be able to press F and then walk through everything
warm spindle
So since force weapon perk goes to 25% it is now ILLEGAL to use any other melee weapon than force sword considering its basic attacks count as a force weapon
leaden thunder
nope
still hearth
Imagine using that
leaden thunder
only the special does last I checked
leaden thunder
does it
warm spindle
It works on all force sword attacks
Yes
still hearth
Yep
leaden thunder
I though it wasn't before
warm spindle
its op
warm spindle
Stacking with warp battery you get 49% damage
still hearth
Really hard to stay at 100% reliably though
warm spindle
also attack pattern > claw
leaden thunder
which less then the antax against anything but like maniac
cyan notch
yea it worked on all fs attacks before
leaden thunder
I have been a victim of misinformation 
last pike
I have been a victim of misinformation <:Guarded:972247035128447086>
yeah that fits
leaden thunder
warm spindle
Idk vermintide has taught me to live at 90% or im unoptimal so its not hard to stay at high peril
still hearth
All or Nothing
On Voidstrike
You can cleave 1 more enemy
That's actually not bad
leaden thunder
still hearth
It has 6 cleave at full charge I think
cyan notch
most common scenario would be ur usingb ur staff ur peril is going up and bad dudes with big rocks on a stick roll up so probably 1 fs charge and ur at 100% already
still hearth
So you can penetrate 1 more poxwalker
cyan notch
then u can keep spamming special for max damage
still hearth
Gonna have a hard time giving up my peril resistance though
viral solstice
ok ur bad
sharp ibex
idiot
viral solstice
blocked
sharp ibex
dumb psyker
leaden thunder
skissue
sharp ibex
wait, is this zealot chat
viral solstice
nobody can stop me
sharp ibex
incorrect
olive ember
This is zealot chat
sharp ibex
this is now zealot chat
olive ember
Everyone here plays zealot
last pike
cyan notch
we all say chord
warm spindle
Hes not smart enough for average psyker conversation
sharp ibex
warm spindle
Our incomparible minds
leaden thunder
Yea Obviously, I got more hours in this game than you, I got more games played and finished in this game than you do. And I've been playing Damnation only since the game released. I got all characters at 30, I've used all weapons and talked to multiple mains of said weapons about their pros and cons. And would you guess it? NO ONE PLAYS THE EVISERATOR IN HI-INT DAMNATION
Do you know why? Obviously not? Because you probably have a skill issue of your own since you decided to use one of the current worst weapons available for the Preacher the EvIsErAtOr
You are welcome trash, stay in the garbage bin where you belong
it's zealot chat now
sharp ibex
imfuckingsorrywhat
olive ember
Yea Obviously, I got more hours in this game than you, I got more games played a...
Yeah why use eviscerator and not devils claw
last pike
imfuckingsorrywhat
mainer i dont like it here
feral crater
Bare hands FTW
olive ember
idk thats from zealot chat
Wasn’t that the made up one we came up with Idr
I can’t tell which is which
ember hornet
no that one is real
feral topaz
Yea Obviously, I got more hours in this game than you, I got more games played a...
I dont like this toxic version of you, return to your ogryn persona this instance
sharp ibex
So to be honest, I've found the Veteran to have a real high skill ceiling. It can be pretty hard to use, and to use it to it's maximal effect is something few people (such as myself) can do. If any of you do true solos like me (i am better than true duo players), you would realise just how difficult this class actually is to use. You can't just, pull it out and wave it all over the place, you need to shoot thinks, not spam power sword too much and get RSI's or carpal tunnel, and really only use it on select enemies, which is something most people will never be able to do.
nocturne night
Why would you use any other loadout on zealot than knife + autopistol
leaden thunder
I dont like this toxic version of you, return to your ogryn persona this instanc...
it's not mine luckily
ember hornet
thoughts on 311213 for voidstrike + force sword?
sharp ibex
thoughts on 311213 for voidstrike + force sword?
mate this is zealot chat
warm spindle
So to be honest, I've found the Veteran to have a real high skill ceiling. It ca...
M1 win
last pike
thoughts on 311213 for voidstrike + force sword?
not a powersword so its bad
last pike
Hold X barter item
sharp ibex
So to be honest, I've found the Zealot to have a real high skill ceiling. It can be pretty hard to use, and to use it to it's maximal effect is something few people (such as myself) can do. If any of you do true solos like me (i am better than true duo players), you would realise just how difficult this class actually is to use. You can't just, pull it out and wave it all over the place, you need to cut things, not spam flamer too much and get RSI's or carpal tunnel, and really only use it on select enemies, which is something most people will never be able to do.
ember hornet
but big force sword damage, and better voidstrike damage right
warm spindle
not a powersword so its bad
Force sword > power sword
olive ember
I mean
ember hornet
esp with transfer peril on the voidstrike
last pike
@ember hornet
ember hornet
damn
feral crater
Purg with no feats, grey weapon and never switching to melee or brainburst. No time for all those crazy things you guys talk about 😄
steel flame
Just because I use shield in damnation
Yes sir that's him right there inquisitor. He's the one
feral crater
JUST BURN THE HERETIC!
sharp ibex
<@162283147277369344>
You cheated
last pike
lmao
lament sonnet
Man
As much as I love this game, the spikes in my heart rate it causes me from shit going wrong is not worth it
leaden thunder
that's the best part
last pike
You cheated
i just play my psyker a lot
lament sonnet
Spoken like a true neurotypical
feral crater
As much as I love this game, the spikes in my heart rate it causes me from shit ...
Welcome to Warhammer 40k
ember hornet
the best I got so far
feral crater
Now join Tzeentch.
lament sonnet
Having an entire team suddenly wipe halfway into a mission on malice does not feel good
feral crater
Tzeentch could help with that. It's been proven
olive ember
Having an entire team suddenly wipe halfway into a mission on *malice* does not ...
Skill issue
should’ve carried harder
steel flame
Clearly the game had great malice for your team
lament sonnet
And anxiety disorder
cyan notch
t2 perk oof
olive ember
Just run purge can’t see anyways
ember hornet
at least I can replace it
steel flame
why does fs do stuff like this
Huh?
lament sonnet
Because they wanna try things you dont like
I would love to see what the committee design this place wants looks like
just to know how much I'd hate your perfect game
ember hornet
well first I would remove the knife
steel flame
What are we talking about again?
lament sonnet
Nothing reasonable, don't worry
ember hornet
idk
leaden thunder
psyker moment
steel flame
Oh that
steel flame
t2 perk on 360+ rating weapon
Clearly a skill issue. Shoulda rolled harder
warm spindle
I cant get a T2 perk anywhere anyways lol
lament sonnet
The gear grind isn't something people want in this game for some reason.
last pike
The gear grind isn't something people want in this game for some reason.
there's a difference between gear grind and a blatant step backwards from VT2
lament sonnet
People claim VT2 had no grind
warm spindle
there's a difference between gear grind and a blatant step backwards from VT2
Holy shit yes it is, VT2’s system was so amazing
lament sonnet
So like
near wyvern
The gear grind isn't something people want in this game for some reason.
It's because experimenting with playstyles is locked behind grindy RNG and that feels bad, you cannot guarantee that you are working towards a goal
lament sonnet
that comparison straight up doesn't hold water
cyan notch
gear grind but u have layers upon layers of rng
last pike
okay so let me just make some claims
lament sonnet
yeah
olive ember
I’d prefer grinds where I’m making some form of progress, this is just roll the dice and pray
warm spindle
You could scrap, craft, minmax and everything without it feeling like a grind at all
last pike
so nothing holds water
lament sonnet
like many other games out there
The actual gear acquisition part is still pretty dull. That's the part that makes this shit so bad
Not the actual RNG
cyan notch
no
still hearth
steel flame
gear grind but u have layers upon layers of rng
It's like a stinky rotting onion. It has layers
cyan notch
the rng is bad
warm spindle
Fact
last pike
Lets claim its the other way around?
yeah
lament sonnet
If it were more fun to run the content and grind out tons more gear in a shorter timeframe, you'd not care
last pike
because if u make a claim, nothing else holds water
last pike
truly
lament sonnet
The content is the only part we can all agree isn't totally scuffed
cyan notch
rng to get the right modifier rolls rng to get 1 correct perk rng to get that 1 perk tier high enough rng on blessings rng forever
warm spindle
If you just play the game youll evetually get enough slop to do what you want, but if your looking for that one perk for your weapon thatll complete your build. Good fucking luck lol
still hearth
Giving people more gear was literally what they did
And it made the grind way less annoying
But its still
lament sonnet
The problem is that getting gear and pulling the RNG lever is way slower than it should be in a game with this level of RNG
still hearth
Fucking annoying
lament sonnet
So it's just not fun and you get hung up on the numbers too easily
still hearth
If they gave us 10x more stuff
cyan notch
perk and blessing lockout is garbage
feral crater
lament sonnet
Item editor moment
still hearth
Just let me spend my resources to make the weapon I want
olive ember
Lots of BS grind for the slow 1% dmg increase a week and then 2 weeks of grinding for one pull
still hearth
Yeah
olive ember
The gacha game experience
still hearth
You can adjust the number of resources
olive ember
I’d say darktide follows this pretty well
clear hamlet
But RNG is just attempts to hide the grind
Does it? If anything it makes it more apparent
lament sonnet
RNG is not an attempt to hide the grind, it's the point of there being a grind at all.
Retention tactics.
still hearth
You can make grind without RNG
viral solstice
and hit man with axe
olive ember
Axe user
still hearth
You can also make RNG that is meaningful and worth grinding for
But this game is like
A middle ground
lament sonnet
Where the grinds are just sucking your life away and you can't play but one character
still hearth
The RNG is just whether you get a bad or good weapon
lament sonnet
Yet to find a game that actually hits a middleground
still hearth
Not whether you get a weapon that does 5x damage but has 0 ammo
If the modifiers weren't capped
And you could get 380 in one
I'd say this game's RNG would be funny
But atm its just a lot of tiny RNG elements that make marginal differences
golden tartan
But atm its just a lot of tiny RNG elements that make marginal differences
This
still hearth
And making a better weapon is a hassle
golden tartan
the RNG barely matters
only a few things do
and even when you make a better weapon it...
doesnt feel much better
still hearth
They could remove the modifier RNG
cyan notch
it does in some cases
still hearth
And just keep perks and blessings
viral solstice
still hearth
And it would be better
lament sonnet
There's no way to really do that with this current iteration of the gear scheme
They'll have to rework it
viral solstice
this is why u should be playing to do goofy shit
lament sonnet
Which I'm all for, really.
viral solstice
instead of making small number bigger
still hearth
I do both.
viral solstice
cyan notch
when u make cool weapons with funny perks like burn stuff
golden tartan
instead of making small number bigger
3" is big kay
viral solstice
ppl should be working on their shovel
lament sonnet
But like, how much faith do we have in them actually making it good?
warm spindle
If fatshark were to let us “reroll blessings” and “scrap weapons into crafting mats” the game would resemble VT2 system and it would be 100 times better
clear hamlet
3" is big kay
Microprogression
viral solstice
i mean its not like they dont know they gotta fix stuf
golden tartan
ppl should be working on their shovel
This
lament sonnet
They may know what's up but that doesn't stop us from bitching from dawn til dusk, does it? 
golden tartan
And learning not to miss 15 bolter shells in a row
cyan notch
they are pretty expensive
golden tartan
:3
still hearth
And learning not to miss 15 bolter shells in a row
What's the fun in that?
cyan notch
10k for one so u get 2 rolls from 1 damnation and the rolls are gonna be 320
golden tartan
What's the fun in that?
The joke is they were ADS semi autoing and missing
cyan notch
laspistol does not look or sound cool
so it kinda sucks ass in the power fantasy department
revolver looks and sounds cool but is pretty meh in performance
bitter pelican
You're telling me ghettoblasting a sun pistol at mach-12 is not cool?
cyan notch
autopistol does it way better
laspistol is just a box with a barrel
with boring reload and shooting and sfx
leaden thunder
consider 700 damage crit head shots tho
cyan notch
yea im saying asthetically
olive ember
laspistol does not look or sound cool
But I can pretend I’m Han Solo
viral solstice
ye autopistol has dogshit gunfeel
uhh
laspistol
i wont disagree
the ads triggers me on a deep emotional level
wheras the revolver
is one of the nicest revolvers in bideogame
still hearth
Lasguns except like
Lucius
All feel like
Tiny pew pew
Its a crime that Shotguns and Revolvers aren't just
One-shot guns
Revolver needs to do 10x damage
Lets go
olive ember
Shotgun was meta back in the CBT for psykers
still hearth
One-shot anything
clear hamlet
Never used a revolver and never will
cyan notch
revolver shots sound MEATY
bitter pelican
The recon lasgun feels like a fucking blender.
I love the dururururururururuur it make when you hold down the M1
cyan notch
reload animation is cool too when u slap that thang
bitter pelican
Definitely.
cyan notch
hellbores have cool sounding shots too with that charge thing
bitter pelican
Honestly autoguns are super slept on too.
The headhunters are honestly really good now.
viral solstice
the buff was significant
before they were borderling throwing
i should know i went slightly insane using the 2-shot variant
trying to find a way to make it not awful
alas
clear hamlet
I have an internet outage and I must scream
wide tiger
It's because experimenting with playstyles is locked behind grindy RNG and that ...
Management at fatshark seems to be dead set on keeping it this way no matter how much feedback they get from players
viral solstice
i mean i think the biggest thing is just that theres no subclasses or careers yet
clear hamlet
Can't even check sour milk
viral solstice
so all the variation is in items
still hearth
I refuse to be anything but the best.
wide tiger
Revolvers gotta be on the slate for buffs
still hearth
One of these years.
clear hamlet
Maybe next week
wide tiger
Yeah isn't that the thing
cyan notch
i dont think trickshooter very practical
wide tiger
Trickshooter is like voidstrike... down a horde
viral solstice
trickshooter is the second best damage blessing ur gon get after crucian
because what really fucks u on revolver is power blessings
ie there are none
cyan notch
fatshark should make more power blessings
viral solstice
i mean they got the blessings
still hearth
Fatshark should make more*
viral solstice
they just terrified to put them on revolver
cyan notch
and then scrap all of them and put it in base revolver
still hearth
Revolver doing 2x damage on weakspot/crit
Would be a decent start
Instead of
Like 1.33
Or whatever it is now
cyan notch
speedloader haha 4% reload after slide woooooo!!!!
cyan notch
they should double its ammo while theyre at it too
wide tiger
Not a huge fan of glory hunter myself. But crucian + trickshooter would be nuts
cyan notch
reload i can live with in its current state
wide tiger
Esp if they buff ammo in clip a bunch, but I can't see that happening since you can visually see the clip size on reload lol
Yeah that's true for all guns though
still hearth
Esp if they buff ammo in clip a bunch, but I can't see that happening since you ...
This didn't stop Valve
TF2 having guns with 6 slots in the gun but only loads 4 pills
Or 2 slots but loads 3
cyan notch
have it load 2 at a time pretend thats whats happening
dense mica
quick question does surge (double shot on crit) works with the charged attacks on a voidstaff?
wide tiger
Yes
cyan notch
2 balls
dense mica
is it better than the stacking less channeling?
still hearth
No
cyan notch
2 balls 1 staff
still hearth
You crit at most 30% of the time
wide tiger
Not really, but it's fun
still hearth
Which is not reasonable
still hearth
More appropriately you crit 20% of the time with the ideal set-up
And warp flurry
Makes you shoot 50% faster
Almost all the time
So its the same effect but you control it
wide tiger
Yeah
still hearth
Surge can sometimes proc repeatedly which is the only time its superior but overall its just not worth it
wide tiger
Flurry is just too good
still hearth
Since you have to give up Transfer Peril
cyan notch
maybe u just go nexus and surge
wide tiger
I can live without transfer peril but flurry is insane
cyan notch
pray for 10% quell proc
wide tiger
It works in big groups
dense mica
also what would you put on a deflector sword? slaughterer?
fair kayak
I can live without transfer peril but flurry is insane
One day Flurry will work on all 4 staffs
wide tiger
One day
wide tiger
also what would you put on a deflector sword? slaughterer?
Yeah