But that require you to slap on CL
#psyker-class
olive ember
long wharf
the whole warp charge mechanic needs reworking
spice veldt
BB is a utility weapon; it also just happens to be our only ranged single-target DPS option (that's easy to aim)
i'd rather not shoehorn too much power into it
gilded viper
Ngl I like how bb is rn
feral verge
i'd rather not shoehorn too much power into it
i dont want it too be too pwoerful. i just think it should be able to one shot beat of nurgle
gilded viper
i dont want it too be too pwoerful. i just think it should be able to one shot b...
True
spice veldt
devs already nerfed us by preventing us from targeting teammates
feral verge
lmao
ruby karma
Last dumb question, before I slink away.
This is a high enough base to buy and try and roll yea?
gentle rose
Also, I realised, with the level 30, you can get of 4 BBs in 10s, and on difficulty 4 4BBs kills 4 of most elites, and with the 15% cdr when you kill an elite, that reduces your cooldown from 30s to 12s. So it's possible to keep your ult up something like 80% of the time in difficulty 4 as long as there's a continuous supply of elites that aren't muties, or ogryns
feral verge
Also, I realised, with the level 30, you can get of 4 BBs in 10s, and on difficu...
this is true
spice veldt
yeah, aura + barrage is quite popular
fierce sinew
warp charges as a build resource -> use bonus or spend for value design work perfectly fine for AB purg, it's just basically every other setup where they start feeling contrived
olive ember
Last dumb question, before I slink away.
This is a high enough base to buy and ...
Depends on the stats tbh
feral verge
i do very well in damnation with that
ruby karma
Depends on the stats tbh
olive ember
For the most part 376 is like a super high but if it’s all out in the wrong stats
fierce sinew
distribution matters more than total for most of our weapons
olive ember
P good but I’d get rid of that t1 warp nexus first tbh
So you have a chance to roll for a higher warp nexus
Replace with something useless like run n gun first before rolling for a better blessing
ruby karma
P good but I’d get rid of that t1 warp nexus first tbh
So roll it then upgrade?
spice veldt
in the case of surge, it doesn't really matter as long as warp res and quell speed are high
ruby karma
I getya
gilded viper
Get flank
gilded viper
Unarmor damage is really low
fierce sinew
unarmored is very bad on surge
gilded viper
Infested is so low 
long wharf
+flak is best perk for damage on surge staff
gilded viper
Flak and +1 stamina 
long wharf
everything else is multiplying very low numbers
olive ember
Tho tbh I’d actually keep it
long wharf
+flak and +crit
long wharf
I wouldn't
at least with sprint efficiency you'll notice being able to sprint longer
you aren't going to notice a damage difference on unarmored enemies
long wharf
it's seriously that bad
gilded viper
I would just say roll for your second perk just to see what it is before switch one out
olive ember
What if he gets trash like unarmored + groaner
gilded viper
Who know if the second one isn't just bad
gentle rose
Keep it until you've levelled it at least. Because then your upgrade can roll flak or crit and you will be happy
olive ember
He’s want to roll groaner off
olive ember
I mean he could get rid of groaner then
Unarmored is bleh but honestly it can atleast help with dreg shooters I guess
long wharf
I'm telling you, you'll never notice the difference
fierce sinew
it honestly depends what your gear situation is like, if I rolled back to back perk->blessing both of which I want to replace the weapon goes in the trash, the chance of an upgrade from there is too low
gilded viper
Damage is damage I guess 
dusky bear
fuck
long wharf
it honestly depends what your gear situation is like, if I rolled back to back p...
this is the real answer
if you don't want to keep both the first perk and first blessing rolled, trash the weapon, save the mats
ruby karma
I gambled
dusky bear
i got so excited... and then i saw its on a trauma and not a voidstrike
long wharf
too much RNG involved otherwise
ruby karma
fierce sinew
rip
olive ember
i got so excited... and then i saw its on a trauma and not a voidstrike
honestly
long wharf
i got so excited... and then i saw its on a trauma and not a voidstrike
if FartShart fixes trauma aiming, that can be quite good
olive ember
replace sprint efficiency and replace surge and you got a BiS staff
yeah if you replaced sprint efficiency with unarmored damage and then surge with warp flurry thats basically BiS
long wharf
I wouldn't replace surge unless you already have it ripped
dusky bear
does surge work on the secondary explosion?
long wharf
I'd rip that and just get a better base rolled trauma
dusky bear
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
long wharf
only works with lmb for now
long wharf
it ought to, there's no reason it shouldn't
just report it as a bug!
reporting bugs actually works
dusky bear
game just give me a surge void strike and t4 warp nexus
long wharf
I'd have to care enough first
olive ember
and then see if they say "its intended" or "acknowledged"
and then decide
smh
not looking out for your fellow psykers
long wharf
I won't care about trauma until FartShart fixes the aiming
long wharf
should be an easy test in the psykanium
dusky bear
yeah imma test it
long wharf
base crit rate of psyker is 5%
no crit/finesse stat modifier means weapon uses base class crit chance
still, easy to test since you have the blessing
dusky bear
if they fix warp nexus or at least make the stacks make sense itd be nice
viral solstice
its about the funny
long wharf
yeah, warp nexus needs to be something like every 15% peril
viral solstice
and the funny is always worth
dusky bear
instead of the current 1 stack at 50, 1 at 75 and 2 at 97
acoustic trench
...
dusky bear
must have been drun when they decided thats how it should work
olive ember
I mean
if you play psyker its useable
just replace thrust with brutal momentum
and only use push attacks
long wharf
dont use p ush attacks on antax 5 tho
absolutely use push attacks on mk v caxe
long wharf
which is fine
viral solstice
long wharf
those 3 are gonna die
at least you're not slapping the entire crowd for 40 damage
as if that's somehow better
spice veldt
lights do more damage to the first target, but less damage to the 2nd and 3rd than the push-attack
acoustic trench
you didn't supplicate yourself hard enough to mommy Hadron
Fuck this "blessing"
olive ember
Limbsplitter is actually not bad tho .-.
long wharf
we need a "Hadron is a harsh mistress" server reaction emoji
long wharf
where she calls us Varlet
olive ember
anyways I have recently heard rumors that the brauto is actually nice
dusky bear
oh
dusky bear
interesting. the second shot from surge is not a crit and seems to do less damage?
devout axle
Need me a cursed mommy Hardon doll that calls me varlet and bricks my weapons.
long wharf
you already have one, in-game
dusky bear
devout axle
She doesn't brick my weapons tho
long wharf
interesting. the second shot from surge is not a crit and seems to do less damag...
the second surge hit isn't a crit?
can it crit?
dusky bear
a 5% chance of a 5% chance?
long wharf
I would have thought that the surge hit would have been a crit as well
long wharf
I'll take a look at the blessing code really quick
dusky bear
oh it is normal damage
please do. maybe give a poke around the trauma staff to see if surge works on the rmb
dusky bear
confirmed intentional or bug?
devout axle
That's me with my Zealot. I stopped playing him altogether as soon as I hit 30 on him.
Poor guy sits there no purging heretics.
long wharf
hmm
god damn it bot
weapon_trait_bespoke_forcestaff_p1_warp_charge_critical_strike_chance_bonus
is showing 0.02, 0.03, 0.04, 0.05
oh, but that's not the breakpoints for the bonus, nevermind
dusky bear
yeah it definately does not double up the explosion so im just going to swap surge out
gilded viper
time to put the recon gun down for the day
dusky bear
devout axle
Run and gun like there's no tomorrow brother.
long wharf
well this really isn't definitive
there's no code specific to trauma's surge blessing, it clones the base buff table for "critical_hit_second_projectile"
that keyword is only used once in a "spawn_second_projectile" code block
and it literally just spawns another projectile
so I guess it makes sense that it isn't critting twice
but mayhaps it could
5% of 5% style
dusky bear
and since trauma isnt a projectile but an explosion, it cant spawn another
long wharf
unsure
were you seeing two damage numbers using the charge blast?
that's what you were supposed to be testing
dusky bear
only one and not even a combined damage number
long wharf
you shouldn't see a combined damage number
you should see two
as it should be two hits
if you aren't seeing two hits, then you aren't seeing surge proc
dusky bear
explosion only had one
long wharf
how many explosion crits did you see?
dusky bear
3 during test, all single hit numbers
long wharf
then that's conclusive in my eyes
trauma charge blast isn't procing surge blessing
I'd still strip the one you got, it's awfully rare
long wharf
yeah, I hope FartShart makes all the staves a single weapon group
instead of 4 completely separate weapons
feral verge
they share skins
long wharf
"force staff" should be the weapon type
leaden thunder
immeasurably complex
fierce sinew
am I the only one irked by the "immeasurably"
fierce sinew
they don't say "too hard for us" or "difficult because of our codebase" or "more complicated than it appears for [this or that technical reason]"
any of which might actually be true
long wharf
those suggestions of yours also indicate a willingness to admit that the devs are having trouble of some kind
fierce sinew
that's kind of it, yeah
task incomplete because task literally impossible is some grade school shit
long wharf
oh it's definitely a back-handed insult
for which Hedge was rightfully mocked for making
spice veldt
what's a brauto doing here
wide tiger
super rare blessing that terrifying barrage
void mural
Was I seeing people say achlys axe was good with limbsplitter earlier today?
wide tiger
They must be doing the thrust limbsplitter thing, probably the rashad
restive slate
I actually wanna try that meme now lol
Limbsplitter with Atrox Heavy Block Cancel spam is pretty decent
feral verge
would it be crazy to make a 2nd psyker character
to break down blessings
from melk's shop and requisitorium
void mural
well, how about decapitator then? I've got this on offer
void mural
eh?
wide tiger
would it be crazy to make a 2nd psyker character
the fact you're even considering it makes it so clear how fucked up the system is
leaden thunder
it also doesn't need the rending
feral verge
you should see who i got the idea from
wide tiger
the guy with 5 psykers
void mural
it also doesn't need the rending
yeah, i kinda figured
feral verge
void mural
idk why they gave weapons that don't need rending
I mean, that kinda just the absolute state of blessings in general
90% of them don't belong on the weapon they're on, and/or are garbage
wide tiger
lol
feral verge
he must really love vet if he's willing to take up all 5 slots
long wharf
I'm not sure "love" is the right word
"indicative of systemic failure in game design" more like
feral verge
Hey
Yeah?
I was wondering
Do you know the difference between love and obsession?
No
And what's the difference between obsession and desire?
I don't know
long wharf
... you going somewhere with all that?
feral verge
song
long wharf
ah
feral verge
I'm not sure "love" is the right word
i thought you were gonna say he was obsessed, not in love
feral verge
"indicative of systemic failure in game design" more like
but this is more apt
cuz it true
long wharf
it sadly is
I genuinely feel bad for the talented artists and audio people at FartShart
their talents are wasted on the developers
same issue with Frontier Development and Elite Dangerous
absolutely amazing audio engineering
feral verge
i don't think the devs are that bad
long wharf
some of the best I've ever experienced in a video game
feral verge
they're not EA or anything
long wharf
and the actual game design is absolute trash
feral verge
too strong of a word
long wharf
for Elite Dangerous? no, it's not.
twilit flicker
Its enough to make millions and feed the devs for awhile ... good enough?
long wharf
from a business perspective, sure
from a player perspective, no.
because as players we see the potential
the potential of an amazing game experience
the sheer obviousness of where the game ought to be
and how far it is from that
twilit flicker
And why isnt it?
Im sure if you were a game dev working in a big studio things would be different!
long wharf
son, I know for a fact things would be different
viral solstice
if i was the fat shark i would make game with more crabs
long wharf
tiny, angry crabs
viral solstice
everything come back to lack of crabs when u really think about it
feral verge
time for crab
twilit flicker
son, I know for a fact things would be different
Cool, now convince other people to fund that big idea and make million EZ
long wharf
well that's the problem, it's never "EZ"
if it were, everybody'd do it
my opportunity to get into big time game dev was decades ago, train has come and gone
I'm very solidly in my current career
most game devs don't make what I make now
can't pay my mortgage and bills and savings on what a typical game dev makes these days
and studios come and go based on the project
it's far less stable a career than you might think
twilit flicker
A shame, I guess modern devs will have to fingue something out
long wharf
plenty of "modern devs" do figure it out
that's why we get absolute gems like Elden Ring
and indie titles that are huge successes
but even more don't
which is how we get Darktide at release
twilit flicker
that's why we get absolute gems like Elden Ring
And crap like assassins creed?
twilit flicker
Too repetitive?
forest coral
Well
long wharf
I thought the first game was interesting, but the story didn't pull me in
forest coral
AC was kinda really good when it came out
New, refreshing and then they started milking the same thing a few too many times
long wharf
that's typical of every successful title run by a big publisher, though
twilit flicker
Its the same with movies
long wharf
it's equally true of every dev studio that gets very successful and tries to maintain that success on the same concept
yep, movie sequels and all that
same phenomena
so, no, I don't have the will to throw my current career success to the wolves to go fulltime indie dev
but I do spend my free time writing mods for games I enjoy
as well as 3rd party tools
floral solstice
@cyan notch i failed to clip that time where i "helped" you vs poxburster
spice veldt
figured out how to dodge the stupid ass running attacks of poxwalkers while you're slow (e.g., casting a BB). While they're doing their running startup, you can walk into them to make them run in place and then dodge away.
as far as I can tell, only the poxwalker's running attacks can't be naively sideways-dodged while BB casting among the human melee enemies
floral solstice
played with Blooddrunk's purgatus psyker (i played GROGNAK there, ogryn) on a hi5 magistrati, confirmed that zealot flamers/purgatus are cracked lol but there's a bunch of interesting stats here i didn't expect, either it's a misleading scoreboard thing or it's only 1 sample game
like, ogryn kit has the best stagger/bullying but flamers just straight-up staggers way more shit lol, my stagger score actually lower
also surprised i have most disablers killed, prolly from boxing muties
fierce sinew
purg/flamer is never outstaggered by anything else
leaden thunder
when I first got my flamer it had the stagger on primary fire blessing
floral solstice
also kinda surprised too that flamers didn't top my lesser enemies killed by that much, but then again i was running BB on ogryn
leaden thunder
and I though that's what was making things stagger
when bracing it
because I didn't read the "primary" fire part
it was just really broken
floral solstice
also, am i just blind or: -no deaths/downs score, -no individual score for weaker ranged mobs
i killed so many shooters that game by bullrushing
cyan notch
<@283547305758687232> i failed to clip that time where i "helped" you vs poxburs...
L+ratio
spice veldt
also note that the revived/rescued row is 0, mostly because the creator hasn't gotten to making it work
floral solstice
look at psyker
0 ammo pickup
highest score
definitely needs nerf
op class kek
leaden thunder
staves now consume ammo
floral solstice
operation protect jigglybreasts
what even damaged you that game
i wasnt even sticking to you, i was just unga bunga-ing
long wharf
operation protect jigglybreasts
finally a mission I can really get behind
cyan notch
idk i think some barrels and shotgunners
floral solstice
also noticed: "attacks blocked" doesn't count assassination boss attacks
that guy with highest block literally died so much to boss because he wasnt blocking lmao
i blocked like 5-6 combo attacks
cyan notch
i thought he was a vet with how much he went down tbh
leaden thunder
floral solstice
he was running autopistol iirc
not sure what melee
also just noticed you have more elites killed than a flamer zealot
maybe he was saving it for christmas
hell, i have more than him
floral solstice
that's definitely not accurate
i rescued some people while blocking
and blocking boss
leaden thunder
it may not count bosses or while ressing
leaden thunder
I may need to install that mod
floral solstice
i feel like it should
but for normal mobs, yeah i dont typically block unless im cornered (on ogryn) because BB + confident strike just heals back the toughness damage
leaden thunder
main time I block is if I hear an attack audio que from behind
so I spin around and block
somehow that's faster for me then dodging
or sometimes vs ragers
since part of their combo will catch your dodges(they have a special property that does this iirc)
floral solstice
for ragers i usually just block the first hit then dodge back
spice veldt
i only block an attack from behind if I'm too lazy to move my pinky
floral solstice
on ogryn not really needed, slaughterer stacks can bully ragers with lights
or push
health station used: highest scored guy has 2 uses
because he was dead a lot of times, no chance to use it
floral solstice
big brain plays
yeah this scoreboard definitely can be misleading at times
but better than nothing
still kudos to the modders
leaden thunder
when the blessing icon one is out
i'll probably download both it and the scoreboard
floral solstice
assuming im still playing, i'd want one for that annoying refining
cyan notch
reroll is really nice
leaden thunder
I should probably get that one
but I typically just stop at the 20% versions of perks
cyan notch
u just let it roll all the t3s away
spice veldt
there's that reroll until rarity one, but it only rerolls until a specific rarity except for a specific perk
leaden thunder
I don't think any of the weapons I use need the extra 5%
cyan notch
its really fast too
spice veldt
still nice nevertheless
cyan notch
much faster than u can click
floral solstice
ahh, i actually havent checked which mods are available lol
cyan notch
ahh, i actually havent checked which mods are available lol
join the modder discord
feral verge
its only like 15 ft to the ground
there's a few broken ledges like this, on that map
floral solstice
join the modder discord
yeah i will at some point, ngl im kinda getting bored of dt rn lol
long wharf
sounds like the scoreboard needs to display time spent needing picked up as well as time spent waiting for rescue
floral solstice
playing with multiple breasts characters from blood got me tired
long wharf
breasts do be tiring
floral solstice
im more surprised that he leveled 5 psykers without getting bored
long wharf
maybe he leveled 5 psykers because he was bored
leaden thunder
I felt that eariler
played throneside with the mk2 ripper(lowest range)
even though we had 2 vets
I was getting shot to shit constantly
(damn)
cyan notch
playing with multiple breasts characters from blood got me tired
im just doing weeklies on them
pretty fast now
floral solstice
gotta save up milkman coins for more psyker guns
forest coral
Psguns
feral verge
hmm
cyan notch
no i got a t4 flurry on one of my alts
floral solstice
prolly left one because of perk?
feral verge
that's what i was thinking
shame i had to lock in warp flurry
cuz i wont be able to upgrade it to iv
just like the staff on the right
which i've been using for a long time
my main staff for my main build
long wharf
gotta save up milkman coins for more psyker guns
save up the Milkies
floral solstice
still a cracked staff
feral verge
yeah, both are cracked
leaden thunder
smh not 80% damage you should throw it out the window into that box that isn't my inventory
floral solstice
hard to say if we're getting more content in the future that involves spending more milk so for now im not bothering with dailies
dont worry Mankar, my antax has locked headtaker 3, i know the feeling
feral verge
unarmored would be better than infested
but that's not bad at all
better than carapace
its only .02 seconds slower than my main staff
(charge time)
cyan notch
unforgivable timeloss
cyan notch
delete ur character to make sure its gone for good
echo turtle
feral verge
delete ur character to make sure its gone for good
great idea ty
long wharf
uninstall Darktide to make sure you never use it again
feral verge
yoooooo
echo turtle
I have all the level 4 blessings I need now to try make a 4 warpcharge ascendant blaze ultspam work
feral verge
uninstall Darktide to make sure you never use it again
i'm thinking of shooting my computer, entirely
echo turtle
I think i need to give the ace +25% vs infested, we’ll see
long wharf
i'm thinking of shooting my computer, entirely
take it to an industrial scrap yard, one with one of those gigantic magnetic cranes
feral verge
i should unload my trench gun into it
long wharf
or if you have access to a recycling plant that has an industrial shredder, that'll work just as well
no joke - watching an industrial shredder tear apart anything is pretty fun
feral verge
i'm dead set on shooting it
long wharf
good man
feral verge
my trench gun or 44 mag
leaden thunder
dual wield
feral verge
how bad is infested damage
is it pointless?
ik its gotta be better than carapace on this, right?
spice veldt
if you really hate poxwalkers, bursters, and hounds
long wharf
you should definitely hate at least one of those
rocky cedar
Bursters are great because it never stops being funny watching a vet refuse to put their gun away and get jumped on
leaden thunder
It stops being funny when they shoot it in front of you
leaden thunder
I mean you are about to push it
spice veldt
run away from your team the moment you hear it
leaden thunder
then they shoot it
rocky cedar
Make sure the Vet is between you and the burster
leaden thunder
and stagger it so you can't push it
spice veldt
i pretty much never push bursters anymore because I have 0 trust in my team
spice veldt
i'll put another damn psyker in between it and me
long wharf
if you play surge, you never have to worry about people blowing up bursters in your face
because they need to worry about you pushing the burster into their faces
if they piss you off
rocky cedar
And yeah last time I went for a push a recon lasgun vet whipped around the corner behind me and shot it
I had the last grim I needed for weeklies and got yeeted right into the abyss
I was a little mad
cyan notch
type a strongly worded message in chat
long wharf
about their mother, in particular
barren arch
counterpoint you can push bursters while they're flying through the air
long wharf
that never fails to get their attention
spice veldt
i've called other people fuckers for that
leaden thunder
I think a vast majority of my chat messages are me misstyping fuck
rocky cedar
Yeah that's what we're saying Nate
spice veldt
i deserve to call them that after damning me
long wharf
counterpoint you can push bursters while they're flying through the air
counter counter point, surge pushes bursters regardless of what process of exploding they're in
barren arch
counter counter point, surge pushes bursters regardless of what process of explo...
shit you got me
rocky cedar
When we go for a push but someone shoots it out from in front of us
spice veldt
just run trauma and have god tier aim to explode bursters the moment they enter your range
cyan notch
the inconsistent stagger is pretty lame
restive slate
I really wanna defend the recon lasgun cause I genuinely like it... But I got nothing for defence
rocky cedar
Legitimately underrated thing about trauma
Insta killing bursters surrounded by infinite horde density
leaden thunder
I really wanna defend the recon lasgun cause I genuinely like it... But I got no...
ran out of ammo
spice veldt
poxbursters have such an insane multiplier from explosion damage that an uncharged trauma staff will still one-shot them
i just pop a quickie on them
sometimes I can even hit them
long wharf
you... "pop a quickie" huh?
floral solstice
counter counter point, surge pushes bursters regardless of what process of explo...
gonna counterpoint even more, earlier @cyan notch was trying to push a burster and i shot it with grenade gauntlet while it was near him
you're welcome blood
long wharf
that's just malicious
spice veldt
smh
floral solstice
well i do warn people that play with me that im a meme lord
sadly i didnt clip it
wide tiger
My buddy always tries to kill me with barrels
spice veldt
forcing people to memorize barrel locations when they play with you
wide tiger
Trained me real good to know where they are
restive slate
I instinctively blow up barrels preemptively so noone hits one to send me to the abyss
barren arch
I use barrels to rocket jump like a confused TF 2 soldier
restive slate
I wonder if barrels can send the Daemonhost flying
long wharf
barrels are for trolling
barren arch
if only I could market garden
rocky cedar
If I see an Ogryn, flamer or Purg on the team it's barrel paranoia gaming time
barren arch
sadly can't attack while flying in the air from a barrel
shadow wigeon
mk5 caxe - if you had to choose between Headtaker and Bromentum, which one?
leaden thunder
restive slate
Psyker Force Shovel when?
floral solstice
okay but why can't our characters do pull-ups while hanging off a ledge
restive slate
sadly can't attack while flying in the air from a barrel
Teammates get to hear funny scream, worth it
barren arch
Teammates get to hear funny scream, worth it
call of duty zombies richtofen screaming his lungs out as he flies through the air (un)gracefully
restive slate
okay but why can't our characters do pull-ups while hanging off a ledge
Funny how VT2 have a buff for that in Chaos Wastes
floral solstice
i guess gym equipment are non-existent
restive slate
In the grim darkness noone can do a pullup
Granted a zealot can't be expected to pull up with a heavy flamer and evis strapped to their back
echo turtle
after some testing, unfortunately I don’t think the 4 charhe build is gonna work on t5
feral verge
i already know this i think, but just checking. flak and unarmored dmg would be the ultimate blessings for void?
echo turtle
I might be just enough to drop pox walkers, but barely
long wharf
i already know this i think, but just checking. flak and unarmored dmg would be ...
for perks? I'd try for crit or weakspot damage
the horde one (groaners and poxwalkers) isn't bad, because that's 90% of what you're aiming at with void
feral verge
why weakspot?
it already 1 shots in the hea
restive slate
Gonna wanna aim for heads with void anyway
long wharf
not on heresy+ without charging a bit
and not on damnation without nearly full charge
cyan notch
gonna counterpoint even more, earlier <@283547305758687232> was trying to push a...
smartest ogryn
floral solstice
dude i actually just realized
that small damage you took that game, part of that was prolly from that burster
spice veldt
+weakspot isn't too good
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/counterfire-is-still-not-applying-the-correct-amount-of-weakspot-damage/75377/4
and +crit dmg presumably works the same way
long wharf
shame
cyan notch
oh yea i forgot about that
cyan notch
i was wondering why i had corruption damage
floral solstice
i kinda thought about it for like half a second
and ended up deciding to shoot it
because it would be funnier
im sorry
lyric atlas
so remember when i was so sure warp flurry wasnt working ?
lyric atlas
i reblessed then wrong shit lol, turns out warp flurry doesnt work if its not on your weapon
long osprey
Tested a bit the trauma staff and I’m not sure what is it’s niche that the other staffs do not cover better
proud mantle
restive slate
Imagine a horde clearing weapon... clearing one unit at a time
gilded viper
KEKW just saw that game on twitch
feral verge
damn
feral verge
oh yeah i heard them say clip that
azure goblet
Which one of these do I put T4 Warp Nexus on? I'm leaning toward the right one...
feral verge
both are meh
floral solstice
shovel ogryn, gigachad
azure goblet
both are meh
why? 20% unarmoured hits breakpoints on trauma with that dmg roll
digital narwhal
Warp Flurry + Rending Shockwave is BiS for Trauma
azure goblet
blazing spirit warp nexus T3 is alrdy great w/my bloodthirsty blazing spirit FS
ive got warp flurry+rending
feral verge
and warp flurry + transfer peril are BIS for void
azure goblet
this is my 2nd trauma build
digital narwhal
and warp flurry + transfer peril are BIS for void
Both of those are Trauma
feral verge
i was looking at the skin, not the name
digital narwhal
Fair lol
cyan notch
it is
wide tiger
I have a feeling purgatus will be collateral on the inevitable flamer nerf
Let's hope soulblaze isn't collateral as well
viral solstice
blaze it up
cyan notch
flamer will be fine
feral verge
we brought trauma staff to be more consident and in-line with other psyker weapons
(nerfed blast radius 60%)
cyan notch
just look at power sword basically untouched
worn heath
I still see most vets with ps, the recent bout of buffs have started to chip it but it's still by far the majority weapon
caxe is probably 2nd most seen
spice veldt
shush
floral solstice
whoops
spice veldt
man i can't believe slaughterer is so underpowered
cyan notch
on fs yea
floral solstice
ikr
cyan notch
2s duration only
floral solstice
needs 150% power per stack
spice veldt
and 3.5s duration like the other versions on thunderhammer and power sword
does it last 3.5 on the thunderhammer?
floral solstice
no idea tbh never had a TH with slaughterer
power sword getting slaughterer is just... i dont even know what to say
forest coral
It’s power swordin time
lyric atlas
man psyker is fun, this game is fun, damn
rocky cedar
does it last 3.5 on the thunderhammer?
Force sword is literally the only weapon with a nerfed version
Because it was clearly too powerful
floral solstice
another dont tell fatshark moment https://streamable.com/uvt5c6
rocky cedar
another dont tell fatshark moment https://streamable.com/uvt5c6
Can do one shot with Chaxe and T Hammer
Though requires slaughterer + thrust stacks I think
floral solstice
yeah im just showing an example
even showed a white evisc
and evisc doesnt even roll power blessings afaik
floral solstice
they're definitely gonna fix chastise at some point
rocky cedar
I think
Chastise is meant to work like that for melee though
I'm pretty sure
And honestly they should keep the ranged interaction too
floral solstice
keeping the buff on even after the full crit? 🧐
yeah idk about that chief, even if it's intended or just bad coding that doesn't seem balanced tbh
rocky cedar
Oh you mean Ult after chain lock specifically
spice veldt
probably just an oversight where they take away the crit when you swing and hit an enemy but don't take account of sticky specials
floral solstice
if they do nerf how chastise works with guns then people will prolly switch to bolter more
or melta
rocky cedar
TBF CTW doesn't buff chain weapons properly if you use it before the attack
So it does somewhat balance out
Like it only buffs the first tick of damage or something
Hence the Ult mid attack is kinda necessary tech
rocky cedar
No I mean the damage bonus
floral solstice
oh
spice veldt
it crits, but the 2nd special does less damage than the 1st special
in the above video, the 1st special does 354 dmg ticks
rocky cedar
if they do nerf how chastise works with guns then people will prolly switch to b...
This is why I don't really want them to get rid of it
spice veldt
the 2nd special does 161 dmg ticks
rocky cedar
Yeah regarding the chain interesting ideally they fix it so ulting before hand works properly
floral solstice
oh yeah i know the first one does crazy damage considering it doesn't feel like the way chastise should be used
rocky cedar
Then get rid of Ult sticking around if you use it mid attack
floral solstice
or just prevent ult use while revving
rocky cedar
oh yeah i know the first one does crazy damage considering it doesn't feel like ...
It's literally how it works for every other weapon lol
spice veldt
probably just check if the player is in the middle of doing a special
rocky cedar
In terms of damage boost that is
spice veldt
or just have it snapshot the current state of the player when the special is first hit into the enemy or whatever
floral solstice
It's literally how it works for every other weapon lol
im just being specific with the example...
jesus christ i posted one meme clip :))
rocky cedar
Yeah my point is just the damage bonus needs to work properly for chain weapons if they're gonna fix that Ult during attack bug
formal flume
Anyone got any tips on how to get "out with a bang" done?
feral verge
if you want it as quickly and as painlessly as possible, you need a premade group
go there (or whatever your region is)
say "lfg psyker penance 'going with a bang' help"
or something like that
coordinate with others (ideally a shield ogryn or two) to isolate and trap shotgunners or gunner enemies)
formal flume
Sounds like a plan
feral verge
this may help
@formal flume
do NOT have kinetic flayer equipped when you try
i got robbed the first time
i killed 3 enemies, thought i succeeded
but i didnt
because kinetic flayer activated
and it headburst one of them. instead of killing them with the explosion
no penance. no achievement
had to try agian later in the level
formal flume
I shall keep that in mind
rocky cedar
they should nerf f for ranged
I maintain it does more good for build diversity than bad for balance
They could fix it but it would barely affect what's nutty about Flamer in practice
You'd be harming stuff like autoguns way more
digital narwhal
Hopefully the buffs this week include better "cleave damage" for the Surge Staff, and fixing the jank AOE on Trauma Staff.
rocky cedar
No but it allows a lot more good weapon combos, fix it and you're just gonna see a shit tonne of bolter Zealots, that's the practical consequence
Flamer will still destroy 95% of threats
feral verge
i'm a proud bolter zealot
rocky cedar
I have no issue with classes getting to do different stuff with ranged weapons
feral verge
all my homies hate flamer. bolter gang rise up
rocky cedar
In fact I think it's pretty neat
Trauma is poggers but I do hope they fix how it interacts with some stairs
digital narwhal
what's jank about it?
Trauma AOE has always been a bit inaccurate somewhat.
Even if something is in the circle, if just enough of it is outside, suddenly 400 damage turns to 40.
spice veldt
that's not mechanical jank but just the visual effect not scaling with the blast radius stat
digital narwhal
Fair, but still-
spice veldt
i'd rather have a constant damage in the center so that I know what it does to enemies in the center
feral verge
i hope they fix surge for trauma. i think this would annihilate
digital narwhal
I think the damage fall off for the blast could be a bit less intense for those just outside the circle.
spice veldt
rather than having a tapering falloff with varying effects to enemies
floral solstice
autoguns arent meant to be anti carapace
just 1k+ dps vs t5 crusher with my shitty brauto + one chastise, i see nothing wrong here 
spice veldt
it's fine though since it interrupts enemies in the outer radius
i really do think that people underestimate the power of the trauma staff's stagger
because the outer radius will also interrupt shooters when sufficiently charged
and for missions like hab dreyko, it's good enough to clear yourself to get a scan off
rocky cedar
just 1k+ dps vs t5 crusher with my shitty brauto + one chastise, i see nothing w...
Unless they make more weapons less crap against Carapace again you're just gonna see a heap more bolters in practice
spice veldt
well hab dreyko is the only mission like that
rocky cedar
Not really a positive change IMO
cyan notch
but definitely nerf f
floral solstice
but let me be frank
who tf struggles with crushers
every class has ways of dealing with them
without chastise's obviously unintended function
im not saying they should nerf it right the fuck now
i'd prefer if it's not nerfed too
rocky cedar
I mean every other class gets some kind of boost to ranged, I don't think it's awful for Zealot to have something like that too. EE is up against RC so I don't really count it
floral solstice
at least zealot has retribution and whatever that lvl25 feat's name is for ranged
psyker doesn't technically, though you can make arguments about warp charges and stuff
cyan notch
it is pretty awful for zealot to have that
rocky cedar
Ogryn obliterates other Ogryns with heavy weight, Psyker gets a noticeable damage boost from warp siphon, Vet is Vet
Zealot has to give up one of their best melee feats to get any kind of ranged boost
Armour pen is a neat way to improve their ranged weapon diversity
floral solstice
i'd say apply armour pen to zealot in a different way would work too.
maybe some feat reworks.
rocky cedar
Sure. I just want them to have something in that department
cyan notch
its a melee class i think its fine if u have to use your brain a little when considering ranged choices
floral solstice
i dont want this discussion to turn into those salty discussions like when some psyker features got fixed
rocky cedar
Doesn't have to be the current interaction
And generally I think it's cool when different classes can get different things out of a weapon
floral solstice
its a melee class i think its fine if u have to use your brain a little when con...
flamer + F
maximum brain power used
then looks at scoreboard
"jeez you guys suck"
rocky cedar
Ah yes
Antax + flamer that will work just as well without ranged f
So much brain power used
floral solstice
im waiting for someone to eventually flame me for having low kills while running surge
while im making it easier for them to kill stuff
cyan notch
no u cant melt carapce just flaming
rocky cedar
Yeah so you just bring Antax and still annihilator everything
What an interesting meta
cyan notch
sure but not at range
floral solstice
that's why im bored rn
cyan notch
you have to open yourself up to some risk
rocky cedar
There's no risk when flamer has already annihilated everything around the crushers
For real though dots shouldn't benefit from rending or armour degradation generally
It's silly
cyan notch
theres definitely some risk fighting melee enemies at melee range
rocky cedar
I've never felt threatened by crushers on their own frankly
cyan notch
sure but theyre not always on their own they can be with a horde + gunner shooting in the background
rocky cedar
Unless my whole team is dead and I have 0 weapons capable of killing them in a decent time frame
floral solstice
i've seen two vets die at the same time literally to the same crusher slam attack done by a single crusher
i really wish i clipped that
rocky cedar
Vets are a special breed
floral solstice
but seriously
on their own?
crushers are dumb and slow
only annoying when they block other shit you need to deal with
near wyvern
i've seen two vets die at the same time literally to the same crusher slam attac...
They were just looking through sights and blasting away? I have saved so many veterans without them having a slightest idea that they were in danger.
near wyvern
only annoying when they block other shit you need to deal with
Or when other shit prevents you from dodging the overhead
floral solstice
They were just looking through sights and blasting away? I have saved so many ve...
you know that narrow walkway at the start of magistrati? they walked inside and there was a crusher and slammed them to death
cyan notch
They were just looking through sights and blasting away? I have saved so many ve...
not me i just watch them
near wyvern
There are Psykers that need training as well but at least the one I encountered learned the lesson.
We were in damnation hi, a horde spawned in so this Surge hero jumped down the drop and pushed for the objective to spawn the objective mobs as well. Got totally clapped and started bitching in chat "where is my team WTF". We rest played as 3, dealt with the mobs first, then dropped down and told him he has a team and that he decided to abandon it and go in solo. We said welcome to damnation hi, you go solo and you die. After the 10min penalty before we could rescue, he sticked with the team for the rest of the run.
floral solstice
Or when other shit prevents you from dodging the overhead
i think i've had this problem way more not with crusher, but with something like trapper + horde instead especially if im playing my lard-butt ogryn
near wyvern
This is exactly my experience with many vets
floral solstice
There are Psykers that need training as well but at least the one I encountered ...
ngl bad psykers are the rare breed in my pugs, usually the bad ones i see die to weak melee hordes but that's it
maybe it's just easier to notice the bad vets because a lot of people play vet
cyan notch
lemme tell you about the min charge void spamming plague
floral solstice
lol i've seen that
rocky cedar
I think vets are generally worse because they get it in their head they're never meant to put their ranged weapon away
Sometimes Psykers do that with their staff too
But it seems to click with more of them that they're meant to use their whole kit
Not just the ranged slot
near wyvern
I think vets are generally worse because they get it in their head they're never...
I hate more the vets that never put their power sword away when there is a horde + ranged spawn.
rocky cedar
I'll take that over a recon Vet that uses all their ammo on hordes any day
rocky cedar
I don't know, me neither, I've had one recon vet ever that actually had decent target prioritisation and they were pretty good
forest coral
Although recon is kinda meme, there’s something therapeutic about blasting away with no care in the world
I loved using it on gun psyker for malice farms before mats got bugged for higher diff
wintry ivy
Thoughts?
cyan notch
spice veldt
it's nice, but i personally wouldn't spend milk bottles on surge staffs
since they already do very well without particularly good stats/perks/blessings
and staff blessings aren't too impactful except for warp flurry on void/trauma and you really want to min-max
clear hamlet
sour milk brought poopoo again nice
cloud sequoia
wintry ivy
I took a screenshot but couldn't find it afterwards
rocky cedar
<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
They're not wrong about the DPS though...
floral solstice
we have wands?
wintry ivy
Big long ones
floral solstice
we hogwarts now
cloud sequoia
we have wands?
cloud sequoia
its good but saying its better than all staffs is debatable
the salty psyker seeing low level joined his match
rocky cedar
Doing up to 140 damage per bullet on flak is pretty damn good
Let's not even talk about the damage to maniacs
It's criminal
Actually closer to 150 without perks
But yeah being mad about not max level players is eh
ornate hamlet
correct.
finesse adds a modifier to the damage you do on weakspots and crits, as well as (and most importantly) increases attack speed
rocky cedar
I've seen pretty terrible level 30s and pretty great level 20s
ornate hamlet
80% finesse on combat axe (mk II) :
x0.59 is a very significant damage buff on weakspot hits, which aren't honestly that hard to land usually, and crits are huge with this modifier when they happen
the attack speed of nearly 12%
combined with a 59% damage modifier on weakspots and crits, is a really big deal when comparing MK V with MK II or MK VIII
cleave honestly sucks in comparison imo
even if i used surge, which i don't, i'd probably use a MK II or MK VIII instead of MK V
since i use purg, i use that for mobbing, but when i do use MK II or MK VIII for mobbing, i honestly don't feel like it's that much less effective than MK V on hordes.
(the attack speed helps with mobs too, just not as much as cleave can)
cyan notch
0.59x isnt 59%
ornate hamlet
this is 80% finesse on MK VIII
as you can see, it's not exactly the same effect as it is on MK II, it's actually even better with heavy attacks
ornate hamlet
0.59x isnt 59%
what does it equate to in darktide math then?
cyan notch
this is 80% finesse on MK VIII
apparently thats only for the first heavy attack of achyls which has a different damage profile
the chained heavy overheads are the same multiplier as rashad
ornate hamlet
that makes sense, and yeah the first swing from MK VIII is different than other combat axes
first heavy swing i mean
cyan notch
from top to bottom heavy attack damage: bodyshot, headshot, crit, crit headshot
its from the dt damage calc
rocky cedar
It's from damage calc
ornate hamlet
and those were done with a weapon using what finesse?
cyan notch
everything 80
rocky cedar
ornate hamlet
compare them to MK V
rocky cedar
Disgustingly resilient is infected BTW
ornate hamlet
how do the numbers on crit compare?
cyan notch
its all there
from top to bottom heavy attack damage: bodyshot, headshot, crit, crit headshot
rocky cedar
Yeah Rashad and Achyls just have a marginally better headshot and crit multiplier
Emphasis on marginally
cyan notch
something like that yea
ornate hamlet
hm, that's surprisingly less of a boost than you'd expect from the numbers
i should go do my own test and see if the numbers compare
with only the first swing to avoid blessings messing up values
cyan notch
yes the numbers are pretty dumb
attack speed is still good though
though antax might get fixed to get finesse in the future
ornate hamlet
for sure, it's really important as it interrupts a lot of enemies when you hit them with axe and can save you from being hit
- of course it's a boost to dps
still hearth
That can actually be worse
ornate hamlet
i don't think it's unintentional for MK V to have cleave, they fixed MK VIII tooltips to accurately reflect the weapon
cause it used to show cleave on that first heavy
if they did that, but MK V was "unintentionally" using cleave, i'm sure they would have corrected that by now
i think it's intentionally designed that way
cyan notch
thats a bug post thats marked as acknowledged though
ornate hamlet
why did they fix MK VIII and not V then lol
still hearth
Whatever fatshark means with that
ornate hamlet
it was an easier fix maybe? i dunno
rocky cedar
Yeah the sad thing really is how bad Achyls is
still hearth
If antax gets finesse and it's an improvement to now it's just going to be the best
ornate hamlet
Yeah the sad thing really is how bad Achyls is
what do you mean? it's actually quite good
rocky cedar
Rashad is one torso prioritisation fix away from being GOATed
There is literally no reason to use Achyls over the other two
ornate hamlet
how it looks now versus how it used to look
rocky cedar
It's just a much worse moveset for marginally more headshot damage
ornate hamlet
they bothered fixing this, but didn't fix MK V? i dunno.. doesn't seem right
ornate hamlet
It's just a much worse moveset for marginally more headshot damage
it's really not worse if you've used it, it's just as easy to hit weakspot with as MK V
except it swings faster because of finesse
ornate hamlet
oh damn it, i forgot i destroyed my MK V cause it didn't have great stats, i should have kept it for testing purposes
rocky cedar
But that aside
still hearth
Achlys feels slower than Rashad and they have the same attack speed I think
rocky cedar
Hitting heads isn't the issue
ornate hamlet
i can't test my finesse compared to cleave weakspot damage 😦
i'll have to get another decent MK V to test with later
obtuse crypt
Warp absorption
rocky cedar
The issue is the Achyls moveset is terrible for control with bromo
cyan notch
its pretty hard to get same damage and first target to test
rocky cedar
And the Rashad outdoes it in single target
rocky cedar
Yay a much slower Antax light
ornate hamlet
its pretty hard to get same damage and first target to test
especially if you get limbsplitter on some but not others
like me
rocky cedar
With bad damage falloff anyway
still hearth
It's not even slow
rocky cedar
Big pog
rocky cedar
It's slower than Antax lights I'm pretty sure about that
still hearth
It needs to be a vanguard
Ye but antax lights are mixed diagonals and one horizontal
rocky cedar
If you're gonna give an axe mostly overhead attacks
still hearth
I'm not saying it's better
rocky cedar
It should be compensated by noticeably better single target
still hearth
Just that Achlys H1 is okay
rocky cedar
That's my issue with it
restive slate
What about Achlys?
still hearth
Antax lights are kind broken with BM
rocky cedar
Scroll up my dude
ornate hamlet
i mean... dude how much faster does zealot swing axe compared to psyker?
ornate hamlet
right, and finesse gives almost 12%
rocky cedar
It's weird though
ornate hamlet
so.. it is significant
cyan notch
u mean 12%
rocky cedar
It doesn't work like other attack speed bonuses
ornate hamlet
u mean 12%
fixed yeah
rocky cedar
right, and finesse gives almost 12%
Also depends on the basic combo speed though
ornate hamlet
Also depends on the basic combo speed though
you mean animation recovery time
still hearth
But also
rocky cedar
Max finesse Achyls is just 12% faster than 0%Achyls
rocky cedar
We'd need to establish they have the same combo speed in the first place
ornate hamlet
check the MK II and compare it to MK V on animation recovery time