psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

sons of the forest is better btw

[olive ember]

is it?

I heard it was kinda empty

I suck with zombies anyways

so I'll just wait to see if my friends are interested in any of em

[near wyvern]

+crit CHANCE, +flak

avoid +carapace at all costs

[viral solstice]

u dont gotta aim too much, just hit a 2m square above their head its gucci

[olive ember]

Have you seen most of the vets

they can't aim regardless

doesn't stop them from playing

[clear hamlet]

I just got stuck with a zealot who rarely used the flamer to horde clear and two vets who were oblivious to everything around them 🤦‍♂️ heresy is the new malice

[fading heath]

thanks

[olive ember]

it always has been

at the very least no one actually played damnation before cuz the rewards weren't worth the effort

[uneven drift]

Nah, after crafting patch it became worse.

[clear hamlet]

I just run one heresy a day to warm up so idk

[olive ember]

yeah

all teh sweats pre patch were just playing malice or uprising

maybe sedition

post patch all the sweats are actually playing damnation now

[uneven drift]

Precious resources won't gather itself.

[olive ember]

so every other difficulty gets harder

I haven't bothered touching heresy, but I'd imagine its just a bunch of malice players dipping their toes into higher level stuff

also idk if they fixed it or not but apparently special spawns were broken in heresy after patch

[cold geode]

Heresy is a shit show

[uneven drift]

Thing is that half of the games on heresy now is lvl 20 players.

[olive ember]

either completely new or alts of people who think they can handle heresy at 20

[uneven drift]

Idk, but this runs usually ends pretty quick.

I was playing 50/50 heresy and damnation before the update, but man, now i more leaning to damnation too.

[olive ember]

I’d say try damnation but honestly sometimes damnation ain’t much better

Gotta love the autopistol “meta” except all 3 of em are running it so you just get screwed ammo wise

And the efficiency of killing shooters also go down a lot

[vagrant furnace]

What this autopistol meta

[uneven drift]

Shredder i guess, with blaze away and pinning fire.

[wet jacinth]

[vagrant furnace]

Is that good enough to put his weight on damnation?

[olive ember]

It’s one of the better weapons now but

[uneven drift]

Well, good player can pull his weight no matter what.
But yes, shredder pretty strong now.

[olive ember]

It’s also kinda meme

And more importantly the ammo efficiency sucks

Basically a spray and pray smg that can kill anything non carapace up close

Decent against hordes too

But compared to a classic mk 12 vet holy shit it’s sucks at killing shooters

So it peeves me when I join teams and the vet and 2 zealots are all running fucking autopistol

And it’s like “welp this game is going to be hell”

[wet jacinth]

[viral solstice]

just kill the shooters urself

[wet jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[vagrant furnace]

Yeah well the chances that 4 players using autopistol are gonna clear damnation arent that great

[viral solstice]

i mean should be fine u just gotta bring u power walk stance and bandanas

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/XDBaN5KXugyJ0/d1337J2fpePe?invite=cr-MSxWY0MsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[cyan notch]

idk all my runs with autopistol randoms were super smooth

[viral solstice]

doggies on suicide watch

[olive ember]

All mine aren’t

When the vet runs em we can’t deal with shooters

When the zealot runs em I’d rather just bring a flamer

[clear hamlet]

mind bullets? that's telekinesis Kyle

[viral solstice]

kill a yak from 100 yards

[clear hamlet]

Rigga-goo-goo, riggah-goo-goo

[viral solstice]

good times

young me

[clear hamlet]

I should really save up dockets but I can't stop the gamba

time to brick

[ornate hamlet]

What are you saving them for

Gamba is the reason they exist

[clear hamlet]

for the update

patch i mean

[viral solstice]

who was the dude always saying they liked warp absorption

im fully wa pilled now

on voidstrike

its just da best

absorbing warp gang

[rocky cedar]

Yeah it's pretty good for void and Trauma too IMO (though I still prefer quietude for Trauma)

I think WA being good for Void is a pretty common take

[viral solstice]

ye i had tried it but i liked quietitude

because i was getting so much quell from transfer peril

and mass kills in horde

but then i was like

what if i could absorb

but get this

absorb

THE WARP

[clear hamlet]

I didnt know people ran anything but wa tbh

[viral solstice]

ive messed with all 3

[rocky cedar]

You mean on Void specifically?

[clear hamlet]

no in general

[rocky cedar]

Oh no it's pretty staff dependent

Most people agree essence harvest on Purg

Quietude is arguably BiS on Surge and Trauma

[viral solstice]

yeah cos surge doesnt kill things

the more ive used voidstrike

the more i have concluded

surge is just bad

especially on hi 5

[rocky cedar]

And I've found essence harvest good on Gunker with communion and flayer

[viral solstice]

because u can cc shit surprisingly well with a voidstrike

[rocky cedar]

Yeah surge is overrated IMO

[viral solstice]

it staggers crushers, it hard knocks down poxwalkers, it opens bulwarks

also its only 6 targets

u lose so much to do mediocre cc

[rocky cedar]

Didn't know Void opened bulwarks

[viral solstice]

well when they attack

[rocky cedar]

I like trauma best for general control

[olive ember]

How dare you >.>

Madge

[viral solstice]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/XuXCcM1MUXg6z/d1337NUXOF9w?invite=cr-MSx0RjEsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

like this

but it will stagger crushers 100%

pretty much everything actually

[rocky cedar]

Hahaha I think all staffs are good I'm just not a huge fan of Surge personally

[clear hamlet]

dream theater

[viral solstice]

WAIT

[rocky cedar]

Yoooooo

Crab I'm disappointed to see you running health bar mod

I thought you were cooler than that

[viral solstice]

once i installed one mod

for the mute peril

and remove grey screen

i was just like

i want to see if im actually charging my rashad enough

in games

because those kills are charge-dependent w/ thrust

[olive ember]

This guy plays with mute peril

Fake psyker

[viral solstice]

fyker

[rocky cedar]

What are you running on Rashad at the moment blessing wise?

Other than Thrust

[viral solstice]

thrust decimator

or thrust 4 bm4

arguably thrust limbsplitter is better

for how i use it

[rocky cedar]

Yeah was about to say

[viral solstice]

because qq cancelling rashad heavy 1 means u never need to angle swap ur view

but thats bitch tier

[rocky cedar]

About limbsplitter

[viral solstice]

ur not playing rashad for an easy life

[rocky cedar]

I wish more people had your mentality to the game TBH

[viral solstice]

MORTIFY THE FLESH

PURIFY THE SPIRIT

[clear hamlet]

Why can I get an Andrew WK reference out of that sentence

[viral solstice]

because andrew wk is a sage

[rocky cedar]

People crying Psyker bad. Crab over here like it's Rashad time bitches

[viral solstice]

its like that with teams too

i had a lights out damnation where the game put me with a 15 a 12 and a 20

and its like yeah that makes the game harder

but thats fun!

2 of them were genuinely new players!

they were excited to see the stuf

[cyan notch]

i have 5 psykers

i think psyker is aight

[viral solstice]

any class that can use a gun is aight

this is the dark secret of darktide

the difference between somebody who can aim and knows how darktide works

and somebody with a "meta loadout" but who is kind of not doing it right

is huge

[rocky cedar]

Psyker is pretty sweet, a lot of people are just looking for easy I win builds

[viral solstice]

but the thing about darktide is it has rpg mechanics

and people who like rpgs like system maximisation

so they obsess about that

because its the obvious, easy thing to see

but actually getting better at the game is hard and nebulous

so all the focus is totally on the wrong shit

[cyan notch]

well wrong is subjective

[ornate hamlet]

People should get good regardless

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-cat-nod-cat-nodding-cute-cat-gif-23793862

[viral solstice]

well i mean wrong in the sense that implicitly most of that focus is about maximising something nebulously

[rocky cedar]

Most people aren't really that good at optimising anyway. They just cling on to shit they hear is "meta"

[viral solstice]

i think that focus too is bad

because it makes u try and do what is effective

instead of going

"what does the word play mean"

a lot of people approach games like jobs

[rocky cedar]

For a long time nobody would shut up that deflector force sword and Purg is the only "viable" way to play Psyker

[ornate hamlet]

[cyan notch]

really

[viral solstice]

every time somebody says this is the only viable way

i feel like

they are not even wrong

its just such a cosmically stupid thing to say at baseline it means they probs cant make cereal

[cyan notch]

people were saying omg antax and surge is the best solo damnation i cant wait for people to solo damnation with this

[rocky cedar]

Huh?

[ornate hamlet]

I can't wait until Psykers figure out the secret Claw + Voidstrike tech

[viral solstice]

already done

if u could have laspistol and voidstrike

u could actually do

laspistol cancel voidstrike recovery

now that would be some based tech

i can see why they dont let u

[rocky cedar]

How you gonna kill shit fast enough to solo Damn?

[ornate hamlet]

I want to see current Damnation solo

Especially without Purge or Flamer

[cyan notch]

dont ask me im not the one who said that

[rocky cedar]

Fair

[ornate hamlet]

You'd have to run AB

And have 6 stacks

To kill hordes properly

[rocky cedar]

I've been knife pilled on Psyker pretty hard recently

Fuck knife Zealot

[forest coral]

I know the feel

[rocky cedar]

Knife Psyker is the way

[forest coral]

I’ve been stuck on chainsword tho

[rocky cedar]

I love chainsword

[forest coral]

I am now chainsaw man

[rocky cedar]

Especially with another fairly target agnostic staff like trauma

[cyan notch]

i was on a chainsword spree until i got overheaded by a crusher while i was revving its insides

then i was like fuck it this shit is lame

[rocky cedar]

I just struggle to live without DS V or knife mobility now

It's hard to go back

[ornate hamlet]

Knife Psyker being slower than Knife Zealot though

I need speed

[rocky cedar]

How so?

[ornate hamlet]

Zealot has 5.2 sprint speed

Psyker has 5

[rocky cedar]

Oh

[ornate hamlet]

MARGINAL DIFFERENCES

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

[rocky cedar]

I thought Zealot was only higher for 0 stamina

[forest coral]

I have long since acknowledged zealot will always be zoomer uwu

[ornate hamlet]

Idk how that works

I just assume I'm faster

[forest coral]

They run faster than light, not because they can, but because they must

[rocky cedar]

Push attack spam is actually so broken though

[ornate hamlet]

The downside is

That Zealot crits more

So you do less DPS

But the speed

And Psyker can just spam heavy into slide and be full stamina

At full speed

All the time

[forest coral]

Yep

Psyker does not lift

But they definitely do cardio

[ornate hamlet]

Veteran chain smoking

[rocky cedar]

Psyker knife feels like comparable DPS to Zealot just cause push attack stronk

[ornate hamlet]

I think push attack is like

20% faster than heavy spam

Should test it sometime

[forest coral]

More reliant on headshot I think

[rocky cedar]

Sounds roughly right

Super safe though

[forest coral]

Yea

With deflection it’s stupidly safe

[rocky cedar]

Very easy to snipe elites out of hordes

[ornate hamlet]

You want to headshot with either class though

[forest coral]

It won’t be antaxe push spam but nothing will be

[ornate hamlet]

Antax push spam is bad

[rocky cedar]

Eh?

Yeah I don't think it's better than light chain

[ornate hamlet]

Knife actually does better cleave on push attacks than Antax

[rocky cedar]

Unless I'm missing something

[ornate hamlet]

If we compare push attacks only

[rocky cedar]

Like push attack has worse cleave drop-off than BM lights

So I don't really see the advantage of it

[cyan notch]

stagger

[rocky cedar]

Unless it's much faster than lights or something

[ornate hamlet]

BM Lights: Infinite cleave
BM Push Attack: 3 target cleave

[cyan notch]

it is pretty fast

[ornate hamlet]

Antax*

[forest coral]

Is fast

But ye

[ornate hamlet]

But either way

[rocky cedar]

You already barely need to push with BM Antax

[forest coral]

Left click spam

Either work

[rocky cedar]

More control seems pretty overkill there

[forest coral]

Removal of all possible incoming risk

Well melee

[rocky cedar]

Maybe on limbsplitter Rashad

[ornate hamlet]

The sad part is that Rashad's strengths doesn't do anything on push attacks I think

Since the upside of it is attack speed

[rocky cedar]

Yeah I assume not

Are the heavies faster?

[ornate hamlet]

All the non push attack ones are faster

Basically

I think push attack might be faster but its still reliant on stamina stuff

[cyan notch]

rashid push attack is pretty mid

[rocky cedar]

So still has that advantage for single target

[ornate hamlet]

Rashad push attack is actually very bad yeah.

[rocky cedar]

Oh wow yeah just looked it up in damage calc

Why lol

[ornate hamlet]

Antax must be the best

[cyan notch]

its more of antax push attack being an outlier than rashid tbh

[rocky cedar]

Yeah Achyls is the same as Rashad

[wet jacinth]

[forest coral]

[wet jacinth]

[cyan notch]

also the finesse multipler on achyls and rashid doesnt seem to do much

only attack speed buffs are good

[rocky cedar]

Achyls is dumb

Awkward single target moveset

Only has marginally better single target damage on head shots

[wet jacinth]

Use a Dagger. It's pretty Sleeper

[rocky cedar]

Why

[wet jacinth]

[rocky cedar]

We were just talking about that before yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Achlys H1

Should have

11 cleave

What is this insane horizontal swipe

With 0 cleave

Literally 0

[cyan notch]

idk if the damage calc is correct but rashid and achyls only do like 40 more damage on crits and ws compared to antax

[rocky cedar]

Yes horizontal single target attacks

[ornate hamlet]

Seems correct

[rocky cedar]

Always awesome

[ornate hamlet]

The Finesse numbers are trash

[rocky cedar]

Rashad at least has the attack speed

[cyan notch]

some guy was saying rashad does 40% more dps from the crit multiplier

[forest coral]

We should ask tiny crab

[rocky cedar]

Achyls has nothing to save it

[ornate hamlet]

40% more DPS

Because of crits

[rocky cedar]

More likely they were referring to attack speed no?

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/kmt-yeah-right-hmmm-really-gif-21502858

[wet jacinth]

[cyan notch]

achyls has higher heavy crit multiplier on its finesse stat idk if that ones a bug

[lethal folio]

Rashad/Achlys do have more numerical dps, but nowhere near 40%.

[ornate hamlet]

Achlys only has more damage on the H1

From crits

Because the H1 is

A weird attack

[rocky cedar]

Rashad would be highest with more functional head hitboxes no?

[ornate hamlet]

Rashad already has the highest, yes.

Even if you don't hit weakspots it can outperform Antax

[rocky cedar]

Lights too

Only marginally though

[ornate hamlet]

Not compared to Rashad

They do the same damage with the same Finesse

[rocky cedar]

Oh I meant compared to Antax

[forest coral]

But isn’t rashad weak spot hit on head like

Super weird

[ornate hamlet]

It has torso prio

[rocky cedar]

Yes

[forest coral]

[ornate hamlet]

So play the game of not hitting the torso at any point

Or hit the torso

[rocky cedar]

Hence Crab's various odd Rashad videos

[ornate hamlet]

I also got one where I beat up a Crusher

Looking into the sky

Very enjoyable

[rocky cedar]

Where they look up at the sky while attacking

If Rashad is fixed we're gaming though

That's actually the Psyker buff we're getting this week

[cyan notch]

left one is achyls

which is weird to me

cuz i looked at the damage calc and the crits are the same as rashad

so something doesnt add up

[ornate hamlet]

Do you know why

Because

Achlys H1

Is a different damage calc

[wet jacinth]

[ornate hamlet]

Its the same when weapons have cleave values

Those values are only for the first Light or Heavy

Which is why these modifiers are still garbage to look at

[forest coral]

[ornate hamlet]

🔫

Achlys H1 vs Rashad H1

But the H2 and H3 of Achlys is identical to Rashad

[cyan notch]

also what the hell is x0.57

[ornate hamlet]

You do an extra .57x damage

Or not

Who knows

[lethal folio]

It's based on complicated boost curves.

[ornate hamlet]

Ah of course

Immeasurably complex.

It'd be too hard to have a system where you just do.. x% bonus damage

https://tenor.com/view/kanokari-anime-fall-kazuya-kinoshita-gif-26402084

[wet jacinth]

Wym we don't have the complicated equation to calculate crit/weakpoint damage numbers to be 100% precise

Smfh

[viral solstice]

finesse_curve

jorts_boost

[cyan notch]

who the hell wears jorts

[wet jacinth]

All ogryns have a different level of Finesse. Simply built different

A Lil un couldn't possibly imagine wielding such power

[cyan notch]

also the purg/flamer stats are super unintuitive

u look at that shit like what are these numbers

16 damage on primary

10 damage secondary

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[cyan notch]

16 damage

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-is-even-gif-20535402

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-chill-calm-down-wait-gif-14383390

[forest coral]

No damage please buff

Double the numbers

[ornate hamlet]

Just double all the numbers

And I do mean all of them

[cyan notch]

yes

max stacks 30

[ornate hamlet]

Not just on the weapon

Every number in the game

Just make it 2x

[rocky cedar]

Enemy health pool?

Doubled

[ornate hamlet]

EVERY

NUMBER

MASON

[rocky cedar]

Enemy speed? Doubled

[ornate hamlet]

Weapons getting 200% rending

All attacks are way faster

[cyan notch]

level cap 60

[ornate hamlet]

Reload speed 2x longer

Actually all attacks would probably be slower

[cold geode]

This is the kind of dumbshite I want to see on here directly before bed. Good night siblings.

[rocky cedar]

Make it a map modifier

Just called double

[ornate hamlet]

Double Time

Everything is faster

Warp takes the wheel

Honestly

Why do we not have warp modifiers

[rocky cedar]

Yo when are we getting assault though for real

That shit sounded fun

[ornate hamlet]

Assault?

[rocky cedar]

The extra ammo but less heals modifier they retracted

I think that's what it was called

[cyan notch]

they should put the tzeentchian twins in darktide that was the only fun weekly in vt2

[rocky cedar]

Twins would be awesome

[ornate hamlet]

Extra ammo

In Psyker chat

[rocky cedar]

We all gunkers now

[ornate hamlet]

Modifier: "More"

More enemies, more ammo, more drops, more objectives

[leaden thunder]

less peril build up maybe

[ornate hamlet]

Nah

Psykers get fucked

Just like in Lights Out

No torches for Ogryns

[rocky cedar]

Just bring autopistol

[wet jacinth]

A lot of psykers seethe

Unable to adapt to the changing psyker

[cyan notch]

lights out is pretty dumb i dont like it

[ornate hamlet]

I like it

[cyan notch]

enemies have nvg u just get shot to pieces

[ornate hamlet]

If only it affected

Ranged enemies

It'd be perfect

[viral solstice]

if in doubt jorts it out

[ornate hamlet]

At least give the ranged enemies torches

[viral solstice]

i mean

i like lights out

its spoopy

very scare...

[ornate hamlet]

So you can see them and also they can't spot you without being in the light

[viral solstice]

and u can see most of them

i hope dreg stalkers have worse vision in lights out tho

but idk if they do

[ornate hamlet]

Do enemies even have vision

[leaden thunder]

I could swear they do have reduced vision

[cyan notch]

actually i think enemies do have worse vision but lets pretend they dont

[ornate hamlet]

I'm like 99% sure they are sound and distance focused

[leaden thunder]

it's a toss up it feels like

[cyan notch]

i walked up to a patrol once they didnt realise i was super close

[leaden thunder]

sometimes they are as blind as you

[viral solstice]

enemies do

[ornate hamlet]

In normal games

[leaden thunder]

and other times they shoot you from like 2 rooms away

[viral solstice]

they have a blackboard style ai

[ornate hamlet]

As long as you don't run or make loud noise

[viral solstice]

where they have sense

s

[ornate hamlet]

I've walked up to enemies looking at me

[wet jacinth]

Seethe

[ornate hamlet]

And they notice me

Like 5m away

[cyan notch]

shotgunner ambush in the dark

[ornate hamlet]

[cyan notch]

all appear from 4 different holes in the walls

perfect aim unstaggerable

no reload shoot you 23 times

[wet jacinth]

Lights out also having increased daemonhost spawns. Big kekw

[ornate hamlet]

My favorite part of shotgunners is that if you hit their first stagger threshold while they're running

They do a sprinting tumble

And then stand up and blast you

That's very fun

[cyan notch]

a lot of enemies have that i want to run to this spot in front of this enemy im targeting and cant be staggered until i reach that spot thing

[ornate hamlet]

All normal enemies can be staggered if you stagger them hard enough

But usually what throws something on their back

Makes a shotgunner tumble towards you

Like wut

[cyan notch]

thst happens with ab sometimes too

they fall towards you

[ornate hamlet]

It's why I love the Revolver though

It always hits those hard stagger values

Shotgunners flying backwards

[grizzled iris]

Uhm, I would like if you could refrain from calling certain groups of people "Normal" because that is very transphobic

[ornate hamlet]

I'm trans so I get to be phobic

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-head-nod-head-nodding-head-nod-yes-gif-24603507

But we can call them cis enemies in this case

[grizzled iris]

Thank you

[cyan notch]

the stagger in this game is weird

sometimes enemies phase through you to attack your teammate

like what bro

[ornate hamlet]

Isn't that normal

[grizzled iris]

They are just ignoring your priviledge

[cyan notch]

theres no d in privilege

[grizzled iris]

"Did you think you had the PRIVILEDGE to stop ME?!" -Random Pox Walker

[grizzled iris]

You sure? I like my Privi-LEDGE

[cyan notch]

random poxwalkers fine i can ignore that

but straight up bulwarks walk through u

[grizzled iris]

Bulwarks are counted as Immovable Objects

And last time I checked you are not "An Unstoppable Force"

[edgy heart]

What's the range on wrath? 30m?

[cyan notch]

yea

[edgy heart]

Sweet, just found out it goes thru walls so hound saves boutts be crazy

[west fjord]

Melk not being a dick for once

[cyan notch]

zamn

swap that first target with warp res and ur pogging irl

[west fjord]

to be fair, the sword had me at bloodthirsty

[digital narwhal]

Here's my Psyker weapon tier list.
Enjoy.

[uneven drift]

Is it sorted in order tho?

[digital narwhal]

Uh, sure, why not?

[leaden thunder]

shotgun not in S+ teir

smh my head

[vagrant furnace]

fun fact: bots are always veterans; discuss

[leaden thunder]

game not finished yet

[viral solstice]

the dream

[leaden thunder]

also not always vets

in the tutorial

[viral solstice]

thank u sire melk i needed that speedload

[leaden thunder]

you get a zealot and an ogryn bot

[vagrant furnace]

tutorial is like a dream

[leaden thunder]

I assume they bots are always vets becuase 2 of the classes charging in would be

bad

and psyke bot

[vagrant furnace]

like the game is gonna be polished and shit

[leaden thunder]

would be terrible

[viral solstice]

i think they realised it would be hard af to make bots for the others

so they just made vet bot

because its beahviour

"shoot shit"

"dont die too much"

"stay near player"

u know what could be cool

have a tier of feats where u can choose between a bonus for high peril, a bonus for high warp charges, and a bonus for mundane weapons

or even just a tier where u get to chose a secondary bonus for ur warp charges

but i really dont like the 6 warp charge talent i think its a lil sussy

actually even just having a tier where you choose between 3 diff high peril benefits

it should be the case that you want to have high peril - like you get baited into it because the power is seductive

and rn its pretty marginal outside specific things

[cyan notch]

u forgot "stand in fire"

[viral solstice]

tru tru

the fact they cant pick stuff up is very

[cyan notch]

0 curios 0 feats

just devils claw + laspistol and a dream in damnation

[forest coral]

[twilit flicker]

Are these the better blessings for a chainsword? Ive been looking for a t4 one for the past week, without luck

[forest coral]

I think shred is the other good one

Rampage most important iirc

[wet jacinth]

I forget which blessing it is that makes it ignore hit mass

But I have that one.

Need to switch out the Rev blessing though

Movement speed on special action

Right

Devastating strike

[leaden thunder]

Dstrike

Rip in peace

[wet jacinth]

I rather keep DS than keep Rev it up

[leaden thunder]

Fair

[wet jacinth]

[leaden thunder]

Ds would be good if it hadn't gotten nerfed out of left field and didn't break the rev

[wet jacinth]

I'm just like. How does the blood thirsty work with Ds

Does it

Damn

Trash

[leaden thunder]

If it was the force sword version of bloodthirsty

It's be good

But it's just the next attack for the cs

[wet jacinth]

Welp grind for rampage it is.

[near wyvern]

You can imagine my sadness when I spent 2k milk coins to find that out

[wet jacinth]

You trusted the milk too much

Only for it to be spoiled milk

[long wharf]

Sour Milk is called such for a reason

[wet jacinth]

Put powdered Milk into Sparkling water

[long wharf]

ew

[wet jacinth]

And you will become one of the worst Alchemist

To have created the spoiled milk potion

[olive ember]

So how are we today

[long wharf]

waiting to see how FartShart screws psykers next

[wet jacinth]

Psyker play style changes yet again

[clear hamlet]

A day with no progression man playing this game feels good

[long wharf]

is that what we're calling them now? "play-style changes"?

FartShart: Psyker moved too quickly, sprint speed is now prior walking speed, walking speed is now half previous value

[fair kayak]

if they could just make Staff blessings work for ALL staves that would be excellent

[wet jacinth]

[long wharf]

it'd be a step in the right direction, at least

[spice veldt]

rending shockwave purg

[long wharf]

blazing spirit surge

it's my dream staff combo right now

on top of surge doing full damage to all targets it hits, and hitting more targets the more you charge

[fair kayak]

I would take that out for a spin

[clear hamlet]

I consecrated a 379 void staff for the memes and got run n gun sustained fire with +stam and some other shit perk

[long wharf]

if we were able to do weapon mods, I'd have created that mod already

[fair kayak]

I think 90% of the blessings on ALL weapons are dogshit pwrsonally

Blessings should change the functionality of the item

I want Voidstaff that forks when it crits

[long wharf]

that sounds nice

[clear hamlet]

Who doesn't want to hip fire a staff while sprinting?

[near wyvern]

Can I crush your dreams?

[long wharf]

please don't

[near wyvern]

I still will

[long wharf]

[weeping psyker noises]

[near wyvern]

Surge casts another spell which has its own crit roll

So you have something like max 1% chance to get double Blazing per hit if you have +5% crit

[long wharf]

what?

[lyric atlas]

well this is going to go well

im positive

[long wharf]

are you talking about the blessing Surge or the staff?

[near wyvern]

Blessing Surge with Blazing Spirit

You were talking about the staff?

[long wharf]

oh ok, no I didn't mean that

yes, the staff

[near wyvern]

Oh

[long wharf]

I want the surge staff to apply soulblaze

if all the other staves don't have a limit on how many enemies they hit, the surge staff ought to be highly effective on the few enemies it can hit

[near wyvern]

Yeah it's funny how they just decided to leave all the blessings out from surge staff which is the one that could actually get the most benefit of them. Including:

• Sustained Fire
• Surge
• Blazing Spirit
• Rending Shockwave

[long wharf]

no reduction on damage, let me apply soulblaze

[spice veldt]

blazing spirit; they can kind of handwave with lore reasons, but there's no reason for the Surge staff to be unable to get the Surge blessing

[long wharf]

hell Blazing Spirit ought to be "apply soulblaze per hit, crits apply double stacks"

Surge blessing makes no sense for the surge staff

[spice veldt]

the surge staff having a ball projectile makes no sense either

[near wyvern]

Yes. It should be 1 stack per hit and 2 stacks on crit.

[spice veldt]

and yet, here we are

[long wharf]

I disagree, I think all staves should have the same primary attack

[near wyvern]

The current on crit is just not good enough

Another option is 6 stacks on crit.

Instead of stack every hit

[spice veldt]

it's either they have the same or they have a different LMB

[long wharf]

and then they should get rid of the stupid melee poke as special

and give each staff a unique special

[spice veldt]

the equinox staffs and the nomanus staff currently share the same LMB while the purgatus has its own

[near wyvern]

Hey, you can trigger Transfer Peril with the mighty bonk

And kinetic flayer as well

[long wharf]

yeah no, still garbage and needs removal

[near wyvern]

Take a Zeus Bonk

WDYM the animation is cool

[echo turtle]

people who don’t want tk take +25% damage

[near wyvern]

Everything else about it is garbage but all for looks, no?

[long wharf]

yep, so get rid of it entirely

give us a special attack that's themed with the staff itself

[clear hamlet]

I took emotional damage just rolling these blessings

https://tenor.com/view/meme-emotional-damage-emotional-damage-gif-25817245

[feral verge]

\

[near wyvern]

I'd still take the 2nd animation from the chain, put that on the Trauma and make it function like the ult knockback for a cost of peril but no damage.

[long wharf]

seems redundant with how trauma already works, though

you can already knock everything around with the blast

[near wyvern]

Perhaps but it would be a good situational ledge tool or something to OPEN THOSE FREAKING BULWARK TURTLES

[long wharf]

you can already handle bulwarks with trauma though

just blast behind them

[near wyvern]

Not if they are looking at you

Cause then they block a blow that comes up their ass

[long wharf]

wtf, really?

that's got to be a bug

[near wyvern]

Yes

[fair kayak]

lol "emotional damage" is what psykers do when they brainburst you

[spice veldt]

they still get staggered; they just don't take damage

[long wharf]

no, it's when the zealot yells "don't touch me freak!" as you help them off the ground

[near wyvern]

It is, and it's freaking annoying

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/bulwark-shield-interacting-weirdly-with-trauma-staff-after-patch/73995

[viral solstice]

bulwark shield has part of its properties based on a positional test

and an angle test

[clear hamlet]

I need to roll a good trauma staff to channel my inner childhood trauma

[viral solstice]

so its testing vs ur position instead of the splosion position

[long wharf]

a positional + angle test is perfectly fine

[viral solstice]

which is goofball

well it is if its testing the right positions

[long wharf]

sounds like somebody at FartShart doesn't understand simple vector math

[viral solstice]

[near wyvern]

No it's just that they should handle trauma secondary spell as an exception to the regular check and always allow the hit if within epicenter

It's just spaghetti bolognese and lazy chefs in the kitchen

[long wharf]

and yeah, trauma happening under the Bulwark should mean they get hit regardless

until they add an animation to the Bulwark where it snowboards around on its shield

FartShart: Bulwarks were too easy to kill. Added a second shield that Bulwarks slide around on.

[viral solstice]

but i think this is when they fixed the uhh

stun nades no

so they made it work for the stun nades but in doing so broke trauma

[long wharf]

it' s a real shame FartShart decided to write their game using a scripting language with no concept of object oriented design

forcing them to manually account for each and every possible combination of code bits

[viral solstice]

i mean this shit would happen in oop too

like normal games are bug-riddled

its just

u kno

[long wharf]

a lot of the problems are directly related to having to deal with Lua

[worn cypress]

haha oo design in games is uhh

we're all trying to move away from it

[viral solstice]

yea...

[vestal rose]

Finally, someone who understands why it's so immeasurably complex 🙏

[worn cypress]

there's problems with using lua for sure but it's not OO, nor a problem of it being a scripting lang

[long wharf]

nah, nobody is moving away from OOD/OOP

[worn cypress]

because practically all AAA games write their gameplay logic with some flavor of scripting lang

[vestal rose]

the problem with lua is people try to pretend it's a real language and force me to wright(spelling aaa) Actual Code with it >:c

[worn cypress]

the fact that they atleast use lua honestly is already a step up

since there's atleast tooling for it

[long wharf]

using a scripting language for, you know, scripting is fine

[worn cypress]

many shops use a boutique scripting lang where you don't even have IDE syntax highlighter and stuff

gameplay logic is scripting lol

this isnt the own you think it is

[long wharf]

when you find yourself having to reinvent class inheritance via cloning objects

it's exactly the "own" I know it is

I've been programming for a very long time (30+ years now)

[worn cypress]

dude, class inheritance is terrible for gamedev 🤣

[long wharf]

it really isn't

[midnight warren]

Uh oh, someone put a ogryn shield up for the shit flinging that's about to happen

[near wyvern]

There is nothing wrong with functional programming, for some things it works better than objective oriented

But no matter which way you go, you need to design the systems and underlaying structures to fit the language or no matter what method you use it will be a hot pile of garbage

[worn cypress]

lol lua isnt functional programming either

[long wharf]

it really isn't

but that's not the point

[vestal rose]

like
just cause lua isn't particularly suited to some concepts doesn't mean it's a huge issue for scripting purposes?

[long wharf]

FartShart has two fundamental problems that I can tell right now, as a studio

[vestal rose]

the issue with darktide is that it's a spaghetti mess, not cause of a scripting language choice, no?

[long wharf]

1. total lack of DevOps (this includes repo control, if any)

[olive ember]

Shield ogryn

[near wyvern]

One that bugs me out is the naming conventions and how variable names never got updated to match the release naming, which has caused a lot of confusion even within the studio

[long wharf]

the choice for using a scripting language for the entire game code above bare engine is a direct cause for all of the spaghetti mess

[olive ember]

Just add notes ezpz

[midnight warren]

I just like how people get a calming blue colour to experience as I pop their brains into oblivion

[worn cypress]

someone clearly hasn't seen enough game codebases lol

[long wharf]

yeah, you

[midnight warren]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[long wharf]

2. complete unfamiliarity with their own codebase

[worn cypress]

or maybe because fellas are doing their scripting in C++ immediately means that it's gucci and doesn't count as scripting

[long wharf]

it's not scripting if it's in C++ and compiled to native code along with the rest of the codebase, is it?

man, you just keep proving to me that you really don't know what you're talking about

[vestal rose]

"entire game code" ??

[olive ember]

Just make the lmb of surge staff do lightning bolts

Like Zeus

Make it one shot maulers

[spice veldt]

too reasonable of a suggestion

[olive ember]

Ez and balanced

[spice veldt]

i agree

[worn cypress]

scripting and language implementation details are completely separate concerns lol

you can write C++ in UE in the scripting layer and the engine layer

[vestal rose]

yo shit no hold the fuck on I went and looked for the source

[worn cypress]

for example

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal rose]

homie what the fuck is this shit lmao

[worn cypress]

lmao yeah its really jank 🤣

[long wharf]

and yet the choice of language directly informs what approaches to coding you take

er wrong reply

[worn cypress]

I dont think the language choice has anything to do with it, more just like... fatshark being fatshark

[long wharf]

FartShart be FartShart, but the decision to write all game code in Lua is also a factor

[vestal rose]

nah sorry pfhoenix I didn't think
they'd make choices this bad
really thought you were overstating just how much shit lives in lua

[long wharf]

nope

[vestal rose]

what the fuck lol

[long wharf]

I'm not being hyperbolic here

[vestal rose]

like
who

who did this

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal rose]

who made this decision

[long wharf]

I feel your mental anguish, I experienced it myself upon looking at Darktide's Lua for the first time

[vestal rose]

i want to scream

aaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[long wharf]

and a second time when I first saw their reinvention of inheritance

calling things "templates" and "modules"

[vestal rose]

they
oh
no

i can imagine what you were referring to earlier

like
they had to run into that problem early, no?

surely you run into that and go "something is very wrong here, let's do something else"

[long wharf]

yep, and their solution was to pretend to design a component architecture

[long wharf]

without any of the actual language features for making a real component architecture

[vestal rose]

like
good on them for the effort
impressive
i like it
i love dumb programming just to see if you can do stupid shit
but why base your giant fucking game on it lmao

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[long wharf]

my guess is it all really started with Vermintide

and they felt too married to it to rewrite

[vestal rose]

it should've been corrected with vermintide ;-;
there's no good reason for this

[long wharf]

nope

takes a deranged mind to release a whole game like that

I mean, on one hand it's impressive that the shit works

[vestal rose]

this explains a lot about the studio

[long wharf]

on the other, you get a little vomit in the back of your throat thinking about it

[olive ember]

How dare you

[vestal rose]

it'd be fantastic if someone made a lil silly indie game like this

[olive ember]

My deflector FS using ass clears hordes better than half the damn playerbase

[vestal rose]

but yeah
horror, that a game of this size is built this way

[long wharf]

and now you will forever shake your head in unfortunate understanding whenever people complain about bug regressions or random bugs that make absolutely no sense after patches

that is what DevOps fixes, by the way

repo control and management is huge in the software industry for a reason

[vestal rose]

I thought devops got paid to gradually develop drinking problems and dark circles under their eyes

[long wharf]

and I'm convinced at this point that FartShart may not even have an actual repo

I mean, that's the natural consequence of being a devops

because you have to deal with people who'd rather be lazy

making a team of devs follow good repo behavior is a full time job

[olive ember]

Tbf who doesn’t want to be lazy

[vestal rose]

in programming a big fucking game?
like
me
i don't want to be lazy

[long wharf]

but a good DevOps suite helps enforce things like CRs, automated tests on commits, etc

[vestal rose]

because when shit goes to fuck i'm the one doing unpaid overtime

[long wharf]

there's no fucking way you could do any testing on Darktide's Lua codebase

[olive ember]

I love being lazy… makes my life as a CS student hell

[vestal rose]

you'll fit in well

[long wharf]

if you really want to stand out, get into good habits now

seriously

[olive ember]

Had to implement some like shitty version of malloc and free to demonstrate understanding and I had to “describe the design features” or wte

[long wharf]

did you do a linear search for free memory blocks?

[olive ember]

And in my read me I basically wrote “my malloc allocates memory, my free unallocates memory”

Basically the teacher “suggested” we used a linked list

But my implementation used an array with a for loop

[long wharf]

but how do you malloc the linked list nodes?

yikes.

[olive ember]

So I basically BS’ed and went “oh yeah I have a linked list

For i=0 blah blah node = node.next

[long wharf]

that's not "lazy", that's deceiptful

[olive ember]

Or wte

[vestal rose]

what was truly shocking to me was like
i thought everyone was just neglecting testing process and tickets and documentation and reviews and everything else cause they were overwhelmed with too much work, like I was
then I found out I have adhd and got that sorted and uh
turns out nah, everyone else just straight up couldn't be fucked

software development is hell

[olive ember]

Tbf I was doin a two person assignment solo because the other guy didn’t know how to code

He couldn’t even write the read me properly

[long wharf]

I always hated group assignments in school

[clear hamlet]

I'm a dropout cs student and one of the reasons I quit is because of group projects. It's okay though, I fix humans now

[long wharf]

I once interviewed someone fresh out of school with a CS degree

who didn't understand fundamental programming concepts

[vestal rose]

legend

[olive ember]

So yeah I basically declared a linked list, and then just did a for loop which did node.next

[vestal rose]

how'd they get to the interview :s

[olive ember]

So I wasted the time to make a linked list when I could’ve just made an array

[long wharf]

I technically have 6 months of college under my belt big flex

[olive ember]

And yeah the code was a shitshow

[clear hamlet]

Physiotherapy is the shit let me tell you

[vestal rose]

yoooo

[olive ember]

Hence the “design notes” for my read me were “the malloc malloc and the free frees”

[vestal rose]

fucking love physiotherapy

you're doing the good shit

[long wharf]

is that where you talk to muscles?

🙂

tell them it's okay to hurt

[vestal rose]

my spine certainly has a lot of trauma to process

[long wharf]

my wife used to be a cardiac rehab nurse

[clear hamlet]

I got into physio because I had rsi and spent a lot of time in physio

Man these two years of not touching a pc SUCKED

[olive ember]

Computer my beloved

[long wharf]

I think the longest I've ever gone without touching a computer, in my entire life, was 3

[vestal rose]

I was headed down that path (fortunately burnout got to me first 😎), yeah
I've known people who had and recovered from rsi to a similar degree
I imagine it'd really fuck you up

[feral verge]

neat

how will hadron ruin it

[long wharf]

now ruin it by upgrading it

sprint efficiency

[vestal rose]

for me it'd be like 18 months
(i didn't touch a computer till i was 18 months old)

[clear hamlet]

Thanks a nice brick right there

[olive ember]

Bruh

My TA just went what you guys know about ChatGPT

[long wharf]

well, not counting when I first started using a computer around 5~6

[olive ember]

And this student went yeah I use it for essays

[long wharf]

tell them BingChat is better

[olive ember]

And the TA went yeah Ik I use it when I have to respond to the professors sometimes completely understand

This is for an Econ course for my double major >.>

[zinc phoenix]

Amateur, I’ve gone fifteen years without touching a controller because they make my thumbs hurt like death

[clear hamlet]

I played osu! For 2 years like 10 hours+ a day every day but hey at least I touched 3 digits ranking before I ruined my hands

It's all good now though. Mostly

[vestal rose]

this is like a fever dream

this code should not exist

[olive ember]

Why would you play osu

Triple digits holy shit

[long wharf]

it's an abomination, right?

it's almost fascinatingly awful

[vestal rose]

like

surely

it'd literally have been easier to remake the whole fucking thing in unreal or something, for darktide

[clear hamlet]

Mental health issues + extreme competitiveness is a bad combo lemme tell you

[vestal rose]

who the hell is so attached to this abomination

[long wharf]

the same people that thought they were going to properly support a live service game

[vestal rose]

lmao

[long wharf]

after two big delays and Darktide's release

who thought everything was fine and they were going to drip feed pre-made cosmetics for a cash shop

[olive ember]

Ya know what does it mean to be live service again

[long wharf]

who needed the entire community yelling at them to fix their shit before they decided to take a survey to see what the community thought

[olive ember]

Cuz to me it’s just synonymous to shit show

[vestal rose]

disregard visuals and sound, just gameplay and greyboxed levels

[clear hamlet]

I would often see circles in my sleep

[vestal rose]

you could clone darktide's gameplay in an actual engine so fucking fast

[long wharf]

FartShart's audio engineers and artists don't deserve the shit programmers they have

[vestal rose]

faster than it'd take to figure out how to work on this codebase lmao

[olive ember]

I mean… that’s yeah

Idk games are for fun so

I just stop if I’m not having fun

Alright that’s a complete lie I fucking grind shit games all the time

[vestal rose]

you wouldn't be here, otherwise

[olive ember]

I wouldn’t have my damnation border

[vestal rose]

im checking out
i'm done
this game makes me want to throw up

200+ hours
all i needed to finally drop it was to look at how it was made

[clear hamlet]

See you tomorrow

Or should I say next week

[vestal rose]

yeah that's probably realistic

[olive ember]

Don’t worry we’ll be relying on you guys to look through the code come the patch this week

And then there’s the content drop LateMarchTM

[clear hamlet]

March 40k

[near wyvern]

Slaneesh take me

[clear hamlet]

in the grim darkness of the far future there is only Christmas vacation

[olive ember]

God I hate how well that works

[gilded viper]

gun psyker out dpsing 2 vet

[long wharf]

those vets must have been terrible

[gilded viper]

kinda, no one died died so i didn't really pay too much attention to their performance

[echo turtle]

Love seeing gunker hard carry

whats your build and gear?

[gilded viper]

melee weapon is whatever i feel like using tbh

[olive ember]

Wrack n ruin?

[echo turtle]

ye, How do you like the tac axe

[echo turtle]

seems like a waste me me tbh

[olive ember]

On a gun build 🤔 hmm dunno

[gilded viper]

u taling about my level 10? im bad with the feat name

[olive ember]

Ye

[long wharf]

you know

[gilded viper]

well not going to use 1, and warp resist is already good with ult so burning more elite with BB seem ideal

[olive ember]

I mean his only thing is BB the question is if the warp resist is worth over wrack n ruin if he’s solely using BB

[echo turtle]

so, I keep hearing take BM on a tac axe, but I can’t say I ever feel like I have needed it

[olive ember]

No clue I don’t use the taxe

[gilded viper]

i kinda do BB phase and gun phase and fele like wrack would be better

[echo turtle]

tet rocks it

[long wharf]

using wrack n ruin makes a gross sort of sense with kinetic lacerations

[olive ember]

Well I did on zealot, hated it, crit got nerfed, never touched it again

[long wharf]

or 5.3, if I got the name wrong

[echo turtle]

I run a similar build and hust user inner

[gilded viper]

taxe is fun

[echo turtle]

with the reduction and 6 charges, when you ult you can Bb for days

[gilded viper]

even with the crit neft

[echo turtle]

crit nerf,

?

[olive ember]

For zealot

[echo turtle]

oh word

[olive ember]

You’ll notice that zealot chat talks a lot less about knives and taxes recently

The new rage is all about the antax

As it should have been

[echo turtle]

Yeah antax on a lot definitely slaps

as it does for us

I am using one with decinator and headtaker

my god

• power affects cleave, it is rare I notice the lack of BM

[clear hamlet]

The virgin general chat - psyker needs buff
The Chad psyker chat - gun psyker carries lol

[echo turtle]

over head chops stagger crushers like everytime

[leaden thunder]

it's almost like skill matters more then meta

[echo turtle]

Gun psyker slaps

[leaden thunder]

doesn't mean psyker doesn't need buffs

[gilded viper]

gun psyker is so much fun then the staff

[echo turtle]

meta advice is generally very low skill ceiling builds

[leaden thunder]

meta was just a word used for "What's good" in this case

[echo turtle]

it had great flow, and a flat 24% damage bonus is very good for guns. We also have Bb which means our ammo efficiency is wild

[leaden thunder]

I couldn't think of a better way to put it

[gilded viper]

yeah and get ot fuck bulwalk and crusher FOR FREE

[echo turtle]

Exactly

psykers who don’t play vet and and lot have no clue how strong that is

[clear hamlet]

@leaden thunder ok,throw me some numbers

[echo turtle]

like, oblivious to what makes our class strong

[clear hamlet]

[echo turtle]

so why are lots hard for the antax rn?

whats the sauce?

[gilded viper]

better sword

imo

[leaden thunder]

antax broken

[echo turtle]

Just dropping the crit build for the impact buff or what

it is absolutely bonkers with blessings

it has all the best ones minus slaughterer

[leaden thunder]

BM makes a single target weapon

[leaden thunder]

into a hoard mulcher

it breaks the weapon fundamentally

[echo turtle]

it actually mulches hordes even without

The push attack doesn’t need Bm to work

[leaden thunder]

the push attack is worse then light spam

[echo turtle]

and just light chops seldom hang anyways

have you looked at the damage?