I'm excited to put a cross hair on the ADS for hellbore
#psyker-class
steel flame
As soon as I actually get freakin power back
Windstorm knocked all power out. Goin on 48hrs without power
cyan notch
nah i think it goes to 0 at 80
spice veldt
iz like from -10% to 2%
comparatively to axes, it's not too bad
you can also kite a Daemonhost infinitely by just dodging away from it because it's the perfect speed to be away from and not be so far that it teleports
of course you have to be a god rhythm gamer
summer prairie
you have some time to quell when it teleports
twilit comet
Alright - what's the best combat axe Mark and why? Also - i'm assuming I want Brutal Momentum, but what other blessings are good to pair with it?
rocky cedar
V
Head taker or decimator for secondary blessing
Head taker less power but more consistent
rocky cedar
The right answer is actually Rashad
twilit comet
what makes Antax better then Achlys
still hearth
Better light sweeps
lethal folio
Horizontal swings
rocky cedar
Better swing pattern for horde control when bromo
still hearth
All the heavies are overheads
Achlys first heavy has different damage values
Does less to carapace and flak
rocky cedar
Yeah just altogether better moveset
forest coral
Staggers literally everything
still hearth
Achlys H1 is really juicy for cleave
forest coral
except monsties of course
twilit comet
okay. The first heavy on Achlys is a horizontal sweep swich seems nice, but it's slow
still hearth
But you have to repeatedly swap to get it
You can't even get it without reseting the combo
rocky cedar
It's slow and bad damage drop-off anyway from memory
forest coral
Also antax push attack is kinda goated
still hearth
Achlys H1 is pretty fast
mortal pendant
it is done siblings
still hearth
And the best horizontal swing
twilit comet
You can't even get it without reseting the combo
Looks like you can block cancel to get it
still hearth
You can but its not worth it
Its way more effort
For less gain
But I love the Achlys
So I'll use it anyway
cyan notch
i think theres something weird about achyls finesse multiplier compared to rashed the heavy attack one is listed as higher for some reason
rocky cedar
Achyls should really have better single target damage
twilit comet
How's the Rashad fit into the picutre?
still hearth
It would be the best
But it has priority issues
Making headshots basically impossible
spice veldt
Rashad allows you to enjoy the clear blue skies
rocky cedar
It has torso prioritisation
prisma ermine
it is done siblings
nice stats and blessings. purgatus staff ftw
rocky cedar
So yeah getting head shots going for bromo is pretty rough
mortal pendant
nice stats and blessings. purgatus staff ftw
legit best in slot
prisma ermine
Yeah
spice veldt
you often have to look up into the sky to get the Rashad to hit heads
summer prairie
I'd take focused channeling over barrage
prisma ermine
With other staff or gun psyker becomes just a support
still hearth
The funniest thing about the Combat Axes
twilit comet
i have this axe that i can upgrade to orange and slap T2 brutal momentum onto
still hearth
Is that Rashad does better single target damage than Antax
summer prairie
what, you mean left click?
still hearth
Even without weakspots
summer prairie
that already performs insanely well on its own
still hearth
But the cleave is so bad so you get a terrible weapon
twilit comet
I don't have headtaker unfortunately
summer prairie
and doesn't kill fast enough to barrage to be great
mortal pendant
with barrage + good cloud radius you're untouchable in melee
summer prairie
When you spam left click the whole patrol is staggered
still hearth
Run the things that sound the quirkiest
Even Warp Nexus isn't massively impactful
It's just the best out of the bad ones
summer prairie
barrage overall feels quite weak after testing it in the grinder with AI on
summer prairie
right now focused channeling and if flurry gets fixed that
twilit comet
barrage overall feels quite weak after testing it in the grinder with AI on
I've tested barrage a bunch with different weapons and I swear it doesn't actually do anything.
spice veldt
I guess the real downside of being near 100% is being literally unable to hear anything else
still hearth
At least now we can see things still
spice veldt
deafen yourself for more crit
still hearth
Just play with sound off
cyan notch
use disable screen effects
still hearth
spice veldt
yeah next patch the zealot sucker punches you at 100%
near wyvern
Siblings, I found the true use for the staff special
It triggers transfer peril
so you can bonk for 5% quell
R is still faster but hey, gotta get those style points
spice veldt
use it to repeatedly go under 100% for force sword special
supple skiff
I use bonk vindictively on the corpses of specials who did something non consequential but annoying
still think it should cause peril and do some sort of soft aoe stagger or somthing
would also settle for the ability to tape a flashlight to my staff and have that be the alt fire 
lyric atlas
i know it depends on playstyle/weapons, but what are some of the best talents per row?
whats what im doing right now
supple skiff
for leveling with void second talent in first tree
lyric atlas
my mains zealot but im kinda diggin psycher...
- its like hard mode so more challenging
- revenge on those Fing snipers
supple skiff
not something you'l stick with one your all set up but its solid for now
spice veldt
if you don't like to Brain Burst, lvl-15 Aura and lvl-25 Flayer is another combination
since cool down reduction is extremely good
lyric atlas
for leveling with void second talent in first tree
love bvrain burst
best part of psyker =0
lyric atlas
but walking fast so nice lol, you probably are right, its one of thos enice to have but dont make you more effective
supple skiff
do you quell with your hands out?
supple skiff
if so get into the habit of swapping to your staff
its faster in both movement an quelling speed
lyric atlas
if someones dealing with hoards, im just Burst? Quel a second>burst etc..
supple skiff
do that and you wont miss mind in motion
lyric atlas
its faster in both movement an quelling speed
oh shit really?
feral verge
Ik that mind in motion is definitely not the best talent in that row
lyric atlas
is defleciton better than shield? i dont usuall have a stamina probably blocking w/ dueling sword
supple skiff
yeah, hand quelling sucks, only really should be used in a situation where your edging peril for repeated BB
then its faster than swapping
lyric atlas
yeah, hand quelling sucks, only really should be used in a situation where your ...
ya, god i love that, lol, endless bursts, just hovering at 98% lol
assume warp battery is top tier?
with psychic communion
supple skiff
its a lot better after the changes
I use battery with psy aura
but communion is better until your 30
lyric atlas
is essense harvest really not ebtter than the elite kill one? i feel like the brain burst one gives me so much toughness
supple skiff
My build is about justifying BB as much as possible so I take battery, psy aura, and psy barrage the level 30 talent
near wyvern
oh shit really?
quelling to 97 is about the same weather you swap or not but if you want to quell more, swapping to staff is totally faster
however, you should always swap to staff regardless since the movement speed is so much more better, allows you to position yourself better for the next BB
supple skiff
you sort of end up doing with your alt what a vet does with refilling it on kills pretty quick
supple skiff
is essense harvest really not ebtter than the elite kill one? i feel like the br...
most folk only run harvest with a purge staff
with a void you usually go with quietude
but if your leveling on malice or under warp on kill is fine
lyric atlas
is there a tier list for staves? i kinda like being palpatine but i switched to voidc ause i cant find a good lightning staff lol
rocky cedar
Staves all do pretty fundamentally different stuff
Most people agree Purg is best overall
lyric atlas
Most people agree Purg is best overall
issue is my mains a zealot
supple skiff
surge is fine if your ok in being a CC mule
rocky cedar
But honestly ranking them doesn't make a heap of sense
lyric atlas
so i dont wana play a gimped zealot w/ flamer lol
spice veldt
I'm a Purg>trauma>surge>void type of guy
lyric atlas
i know its not that its just i already play with the falmer hah
supple skiff
Im skeptical of trauma but folks make it work
leaden thunder
it's a "gimped" flamer but on a better platfrom
spice veldt
but it also depends on your playstyle
supple skiff
void staff best staff dont @ me
rocky cedar
so i dont wana play a gimped zealot w/ flamer lol
It's not really the same since infinite ammo means you get to use it all match
lyric atlas
did they fix that trauma/flame wreath? cause that thing blew absolutely dick in vermintide (discliamer: i was a newb in vermin and dont even have a max level)
rocky cedar
But I'm not a fan of flamer OR Purg so whatever
torpid olive
Purgator is great for holding down hordes. It feels fantastic to scorch hundreds and protect the team
leaden thunder
as it does like no fucken damage
lyric atlas
But I'm not a fan of flamer OR Purg so whatever
flamer is just stupid good, its like ...entire team down... 500 dudes on you... no problem
spice veldt
the only difference is that Purg has a shorter range and wider width, but we also have BB
supple skiff
a void with flurry and quell is fucking bonkers horde clear
rocky cedar
Trauma is my favourite but it's probably the least popular
rocky cedar
flamer is just stupid good, its like ...entire team down... 500 dudes on you... ...
It's hella boring yeah
leaden thunder
surge basically requires your team to do more damage but less work
lyric atlas
a void with flurry and quell is fucking bonkers horde clear
are youj supposed to get a temp buff with flurry? cause i literally neevr get a buff with it so iu cant tell if its speeding it up
spice veldt
I can go an entire day without seeing anyone use trauma on NA westa
supple skiff
you have to repeatedly cast without interuption
lyric atlas
It's hella boring yeah
hah i dunno, sometimes its fun to toast the entire screen but ya, i mena, why do you think i made a psyker with my zalot main lol
supple skiff
it was broken for a while though, only recently fixed
lyric atlas
it was broken for a while though, only recently fixed
i keep right MB down, and just charge, launch, charge launch, but i never see a temp buff go on me
maybe it doesnt have one?
summer prairie
if you only do full charges you won't get the buff. You have to do some shorter charges first
lyric atlas
and i just cant tell
summer prairie
there's no buff icon
supple skiff
oh yeah no you wont see a buff icon
torpid olive
I don’t know what trait I have that does this, but I think kills reduce my Peril. It keeps dropping down at random, so I can keep flaming
rocky cedar
hah i dunno, sometimes its fun to toast the entire screen but ya, i mena, why do...
I assume just to try other classes generally? That's why I went Zealot->Psyker->Ogryn->Vet now swap back and forth a bunch
supple skiff
built it psyber talent maybe
spice veldt
for trauma at least, full charges can maintain warp flurry from the getgo
lyric atlas
I assume just to try other classes generally? That's why I went Zealot->Psyker->...
well ya, but zealot for stale just flaming waves and eivserating everything else
i still ove it but the change in playstyle is nice
spice veldt
I don’t know what trait I have that does this, but I think kills reduce my Peril...
Psyker's Battle Meditation passive
lyric atlas
Also...not having cheat death is a whole other world...cause i actually die
rocky cedar
Yeah all classes play pleasantly differently
spice veldt
10% chance to quell 10%
lyric atlas
unlike zealot with its idiot proof talent lol
vet the one i dont like so far, just gives me carpal tunnel
torpid olive
10% chance to quell 10%
Ah alright
lyric atlas
maybe its more fun with an Automatic
but the single shot just feels ZzZZZz
rather blow head up with my mind
spice veldt
for trauma at least, full charges can maintain warp flurry from the getgo
this is with an 80% charge rate staff if it makes any difference
spice veldt
impossible
near wyvern
if you only do full charges you won't get the buff. You have to do some shorter ...
this is incorrect
magic burrow
does surge proc with the secondary now, or still only primary attack
near wyvern
does surge proc with the secondary now, or still only primary attack
Void primary and secondary, Trauma primary
supple skiff
Also...not having cheat death is a whole other world...cause i actually die
psyker is pretty solid in terms of survivability if you find a force sword with the range blocking blessing called deflector
weapon itself doesn't have a dodge limit either so you can nope out of some serious shit
rocky cedar
Spicy forums takes
near wyvern
psyker is pretty solid in terms of survivability if you find a force sword with ...
or if you just learn to use cover
spice veldt
the infinite dodge is not really for running away but having no downtime in safety
near wyvern
Spicy forums takes <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
what herecy is this
supple skiff
well yeah, but having the option if get caught out is handy
spice veldt
I like to swap to my Force sword to get my dodges back when I run out with the staff
such as when I'm kiting the beast of nurgle
since I can't dodge slide backwards while quelling, so it catches up
rocky cedar
what herecy is this
High IQ Psyker takes clearly
leaden thunder
the purge staff is one of 2 weapons that can functionally kill infinite things in it's range
saying it's bad
is like a braindead take
spice veldt
trauma >:(
supple skiff
i've determined my best course of action with a beast is to play bait and back turn for the folks who actually have single target dps 
rocky cedar
Calling AB garbage is what really gets me
rocky cedar
Press F to borderline screen wipe is bad guys
leaden thunder
it can't eat you if you aren't barfed on
spice veldt
and that's without losing your warp charges
near wyvern
@summer prairie
Voidstrike with T3 flurry, you can clearly see there is a speed up
Same for Trauma
feral verge
@lyric atlas
near wyvern
with full casts
summer prairie
I also made videos. I also got the full benefit eventually but it feels like I need more casts
but that would be weird
near wyvern
I also made videos. I also got the full benefit eventually but it feels like I n...
you don't but it's just that it takes 5 casts to get into full effect so your 6th cast is the one having the full benefit
summer prairie
I know it does
near wyvern
with full casts you hit 100% peril before you get there (without inner tranq)
summer prairie
I'm also timing every cast and I'm not getting expected cast times
yeah I have to ult to keep going
supple skiff
thing is though you generate less peril per cast once you have max stacks
near wyvern
thing is though you generate less peril per cast once you have max stacks
yes it cuts your charge cost by the X% reduction per stack as well
because charge cost is fixed peril/second
summer prairie
Also I wasn't saying you don't speed up, my previous tests just didn't get me to 40% or 50%
supple skiff
ive taken warp battery with peril reduction per warp change and its been a good time with void
feral verge
ive taken warp battery with peril reduction per warp change and its been a good ...
Yeah I never have to quell during a horde
supple skiff
I feel like I can reliably take on ranged chaff now
near wyvern
yes inner tranq is good with warp flurry
feral verge
And if I do, I have ult for that. It comes back by the time I may need it
near wyvern
Also I wasn't saying you don't speed up, my previous tests just didn't get me to...
it can be hard to frame, with void there is this kind of star light flash near the orb in the staff shaft when the cast is ready
supple skiff
my set up now is void for hordes, non special ranged. Ult with barrage and psy aura to BB pretty well everything else. Force sword alt for when ragers, maulers, and mutants get touchy feely
near wyvern
trauma is tricky as there is no indication, however it has longer base cast time so its more forgiving to frame
summer prairie
I start timing when the charge bar is visible again and empty
feral verge
@supple skiff I have the same exact one
supple skiff
for the first time since launch I don't feel completely out classed
spice veldt
what's the measured charge rate reduction you get with t4 at max?
feral verge
50% in total I believe
spice veldt
ye; just whatever syllogism measured since they mentioned a discrepancy
summer prairie
this is only a t3
supple skiff
wouldn't surpise me if the 50% reduction with t4 was off in some way
but I have both t3 and t4 flurry voids and there is a noticable difference if nothing else
spice veldt
200iq maybe fatshark made it stack multiplicatively instead of additively
summer prairie
But maybe you get it and I just stopped too early when timing full casts
supple skiff
cause that means they fucking nerf it
summer prairie
or the vlc timer plugin I'm using is funky
supple skiff
with what happened with toughness regen, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if flurry was overtuned in their view
lyric atlas
How is psyker chat so helpful and general chat such garbo
I guess better people just play psyker
summer prairie
well it's not like your whole cast is 50% faster, the other casting animations take the same time
plus it's hard to get the full benefit with some staves
just maybe quicken could have a use when you want to keep flurry up but nah
spice veldt
people in Psyker chat consume meth to unlock their brain
supple skiff
I guess better people just play psyker
we've had to overanalyse the fuck out of the class to stay competitive.
now we're all desperate to justify the time investment
feral verge
You have to have atleast 4 and a half self induced episodes of psychosis to fully understand psyker
supple skiff
one must, as they say, witness your doom
near wyvern
At least T3 flurry for both void and trauma are correct
summer prairie
I think it's an issue with my timer
near wyvern
lyric atlas
now we're all desperate to justify the time investment <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
Fun is all that matters :0
summer prairie
the clip is also ~0.9s
100% charge rate trauma would go down to 0.5s, pretty good
spice veldt
one of the weapons that get neutered by the 80% stat cap
how I long for a 1s cast time
maybe buffing the minimum charge rate is one of the next small buffs
near wyvern
1 sec cast time is going to be nutty NGL. That will probably be only achievable with a red which will require you to sell your soul to Slaneesh to get the RNG right.
And when the first players get them they are going to nerf it
lyric atlas
1 sec cast time is going to be nutty NGL. That will probably be only achievable ...
Where's the slanreh... Instead of net... Bondage
Someone make a totally conversation mod
feral verge
if we can atleast upgrade our blessings
i'd have fastest cast time possible on void
i have t3 warp flurry, 80 charge rate
near wyvern
I wonder if charge cost is independent of charge rate
Like the numerical value (seconds)
summer prairie
this is a buff https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/52
royal granite
nah i like hearing nurgle daemons scream impotently at me while i turn their hordes into slime
feral verge
i dont mind the visuals
which that other mod removes
but i cant count the amount of times i've been snuck up on by a mutie or hound
cuz of peril
forest coral
You mean you don’t like it when the demons flick on the screech switch everytime you edge at high peril?
feral verge
i dont mind that sounds themselves tbh
i kinda like the immersion
but they drown out critical noise cues
cyan notch
nice
ive been using disable screen effects and it mostly works
just a little bit of warp garbage
royal granite
i am a little bit of warp garbage
forest coral
viral solstice
i think void strike
could do with shifting its charge time 0.1s downwards
trauma too
tbf i think warp flurry should be nerfed to 40% at max rank and the charge times of staves marginally improved baseline
to normalise blessing impact
summer prairie
buff everything else
viral solstice
ye
i just mean that i think even if they buffed
i would reduce warp fluryr impact
and reduce charge times baseline
would make low level psyker feel better
and would make that blessing less problematic
it would be a buff to the class overall
summer prairie
the benefit isn't that great on average for other staves
spice veldt
make warp flurry scale with peril instead of stacks
royal granite
i enjoy void strike, how are people feeling about it in general?
spice veldt
instead of just being a staff version of chained onslaught
viral solstice
void strike gud
spice veldt
i dislike it
leaden thunder
bowling ball fun
viral solstice
with good rolls
still hearth
Voidstrike go swoosh
spice veldt
people who like the voidstrike probably don't like cocaine
viral solstice
does solid damage, not gamebreaking, but nice hybrid between horde clear and single target
lets u reach out and touch things further away and kill shooters in cover from 50m
spice veldt
the fact that it is a charge weapon AND is a projectile kills it for me
viral solstice
but very dependent on flurry / transfer peril
viral solstice
i mean tbh its right click feels better than the staff left click
less delay when u shoot it
spice veldt
can we pin this
I welcome the propagation of factual information
the delay between "I want to shoot that person" and "I have actually shot them" is too much for me
royal granite
i really, really hope they fix the latency on left clicks
i sometimes give purge an surge a shot but i always end up in a situation where i need to shoot something more than 30 meters away
sharpshooter off in the corner jerking off his power sword
spice veldt
I wish the ball projectile came out from a bit lower at the screen
because it's hard to see how far and fast it flies
and makes it hard to aim with it
viral solstice
i mean its good it comes out high
royal granite
yeah you can sneak it over cover
viral solstice
because u want to be able to get flat headshot trajectories on hordes
spice veldt
like the plasmaguns from quake shoot it a bit low so that you can see where the projectile goes
viral solstice
with a lil hop
royal granite
especially since the damage field on it is larger than the physical hitbox
spice veldt
maybe
LMB is more of a stagger weapon than anything offensive
so i'm fine with trading headshots off
and it's not like it has to be shifted that much lower
just so that you can see where it goes a bit more easily
royal granite
because u want to be able to get flat headshot trajectories on hordes
i do that by just having a max height character
spice veldt
LMB is actually really good in that it staggers maulers and reapers
save your teammates and yourself from getting wrecked by reapers
leaden thunder
short best for defense
royal granite
i love short sharpshooters
royal granite
i'm 6'6, i got foot problems, back problems, don't fit in other people's cars, barely fit in my own car
bang head on things, "wow do you play sports?" "can you get that off the shelf for me?"
supple skiff
5 10 and everything in society is made for people my size
couldn't image trying to get into my car being even couple inches taller, shit must suck
royal granite
clothes more expensive, shoes more expensive and also hard to find, more likely to have heart trouble in the future, more mass means increased risk of cancer
spice veldt
my only height issue so far is that I bang my head on the cupboard because I'm not short enough to be under the cupboard doors and not tall enough to see it.
forest coral
How’s the weather up there
royal granite
it's great, please enjoy my farts
supple skiff
lmao
well you have the arbitrary 6 foot dating thing crossed off at least
for whatever thats worth
royal granite
i'm ace lol
supple skiff
well shit lmao
royal granite
but also not a guy
which
well, dudes who are into tall girls definitely have better taste
unfortunately i'm not into them
spice veldt
more on the side of aromanticism it seems
of all the people that I know (beyond relatives), it's only the asexual lesbian person that's in a relationship, which was a funny fact to me
royal granite
i figure if someone's dating you for your physical properties it's for sex right? i met all my girlfriends online
spice veldt
that's certainly a big part of it
thorny crypt
hello wat blessings for void strike guys?
clear hamlet
i'm 6'6, i got foot problems, back problems, don't fit in other people's cars, b...
you're a shlong taller than me haha
spice veldt
why even bother with relationships at that point
viral solstice
hello wat blessings for void strike guys?
transfer peril / warp flurry / surge if ur lucky
royal granite
at what point?
royal granite
you can get so much more out of a relationship than sex, but also asexuality can be a lot more complicated than no sexual desire
spice veldt
so that's a bit of my other traits leaking out
thorny crypt
sex , loyalty and good communication is key for healthy and long lasting relationship
cyan notch
sexual busting
forest coral
supple skiff
most of my dude friends don't game, gf does, so I can play stuff with her instead of randoms
admitedly something that would be easily recified with new friends tho
royal granite
anyway hee hoo funny brain magic class
i love to cast spells and praise the emperor
spice veldt
i wish psyker had a stun immunity feat like zealot
i hate getting that second-long stagger when you get melee'd
and enemies have such random ass startups on their melee that make it hard to dodge
royal granite
well, there's a blessing for it
spice veldt
the focused channeling one?
royal granite
yeah
spice veldt
something more general, since I'm usually in melee
or just shorten the length of that stagger
spice veldt
ye
though I like to trade my toughness for more DPS
since I can usually kill faster than I take health dmg
but there are instances where taking a hit at full toughness staggers you like a motherfucker
supple skiff
light heavy push force sword can wade through hordes without getting hit im convinced
spice veldt
esp with slaughterer, since power also increases the stagger of your pushes
idle bay
Most important Psyker Mod
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/52
royal granite
ragers are the absolute pits
forest coral
Kinetic deflection+ anything with good push attack
supple skiff
wait it does
spice veldt
yup
supple skiff
lol noice
spice veldt
enemies get straight up launched from your push
supple skiff
might explain that then
forest coral
Then again force sword is just goated on its own as an all rounder
supple skiff
have t3 on the one I use
spice veldt
which is why I try to avoid pushing at max stacks
supple skiff
push attack into alt firing rager is chefs kiss
cyan notch
or just shorten the length of that stagger
pretty sure thats a bug
been reported and acknowledged
spice veldt
whew
cyan notch
wasnt stupidly long before
royal granite
i hate that ragers can hit you while you're doing the force sword push attack
forest coral
I just hope they fix force sword seizure from special attack eventually
royal granite
it's good and cool that you can launch them, but ragers please fuck a mile of off
spice veldt
something that the game doesn't tell you is that the rager combo is an undodgeable
as long as you're inside their range, you always get hit and no amount of dodging at whatever timing will help
forest coral
Only evade distance or some kind of cc
forest coral
Nope
spice veldt
ask god
forest coral
I’m surprised it hasn’t been patched yet
spice veldt
i assume it's just a debug oversight or something
forest coral
I like it but it doesn’t feel like it should be there
spice veldt
big
royal granite
nobody heard anything
summer prairie
some v2 weapons have infinite or 99 dodges
cyan notch
i assumed it was intended
spice veldt
yeah; though given how they increased the dodge reset timer
and it's the only weapon with this
cyan notch
i dont think theyd put something as “unlimited” if it was a mistake
still hearth
Fatshark
spice veldt
at least i have something to say when people talk about the dodge range of knife and duelling swords
and the gameplay benefit too
royal granite
maybe they figured they'd better not fix every beneficial bug for psykers all at once when the class was like
really struggling
idk, really struggling feels hyperbolic, but release psyker wasn't hot
forest coral
I’m still sad about normal weapons passive quell
spice veldt
i don't mind that they fixed the passive quell and all that, but what really gets me is how late they fixed it
cyan notch
i think its intended
royal granite
i'm mad about removing the bullet shield while reviving
forest coral
But it’s not that much of a nerf honestly
spice veldt
and that makes me really scared for the force sword's infinite dodges
because that means I have to keep track of the dodges in my head for once
royal granite
nah, you just have to dodge slower
spice veldt
maybe they'll buff force sword's block cost in exchange though
forest coral
Also means force sword side dodge clutching is kinda gone
And mobility becomes an important stat for it again
forest coral
Well ye, just can get away with less atm
royal granite
i still think blocking ranged attacks should be default for force swords
spice veldt
i kinda don't want it to be a default because i'd keep getting guardbroken
when I stopped using kinetic deflection and still had Deflector on my FS, random ass ranged attacks guardbroke me while I was fighting a horde
royal granite
it's a strong part of the reason to run a force sword in the first place, basically everyone wants the deflect blessing if they're running force sword
supple skiff
beneficial bugs were the only thing keep the class afloat at launch
royal granite
so effectively it has one less blessing slots
spice veldt
though the force sword has another busted blessing besides slaughterer
bloodthirsty, which gives guaranteed crits on all attacks for 5s after a special kill
and for some reason, this blessing only works this way for the force sword; it's much weaker on the chain weapons
royal granite
is that unique to FS?
spice veldt
chain weapons have it, but it's only the immediate next attack that crits
royal granite
huh
forest coral
Didn’t someone test that and confirm it’s only for the first hit to crit during the 5 sec window
royal granite
oh, that's really unimpressive in that case
spice veldt
bloodthirsty lasts for ALL attacks in the 5s duration for the force sword
i have my own bloodthirsty
forest coral
supple skiff
special like enemy type or like special attack
forest coral
I mean
spice veldt
yeah the diagonal attacks of the FS have a limited width
royal granite
it's a better-than-nothing swing
cyan notch
just spin ur camera
forest coral
Or cat sword
royal granite
shoutsout to force staves having a completely useless melee attack though
forest coral
It does emotional damage
spice veldt
showcase of a bloodthirsty FS
https://youtu.be/SB-pjPgw4Dg?t=851
royal granite
hilarious to proc kinetic flayer with it
cyan notch
most ranged specials are lame melees that do nothing
spice veldt
with the exception of laspistol, but even that is half-baked
10% peril and 2 stamina bars for what is pretty meh
royal granite
idk most ranged weapons with a melee are fast enough that you can use it to create space if you're trying to snipe a special or something
cyan notch
never gonna happen
spice veldt
they seem committed to their philosophy of shitty LMBs
cyan notch
special attacks on ranged are gonna be always garbage imo
royal granite
the staff lmb would be fine if it didn't have the fuckin delay
cyan notch
its mainly for melee weapons
forest coral
yes but meme material like it currently is?
cyan notch
yes
spice veldt
at least damage scaling
cyan notch
like revolver
royal granite
revolver is a bad joke
cyan notch
like torchlight
spice veldt
like making the staff do 3 digits damage is not going to be game breaking
when it has 2 cleave at most
forest coral
spice veldt
and the lowest startup time in all of history
royal granite
does the staff have any cleave at all?
spice veldt
like the staff LMB has better stagger than the bonk
i'm pretty sure that the staff side-swipe cleaves two poxwalkers
royal granite
yeah
spice veldt
i think
royal granite
for lmb stagger i mean
summer prairie
this is FS dodge template
spice veldt
LMB can't cleave, but it will always stagger maulers and reapers
summer prairie
so unlimited is actually probably 100
cyan notch
billhook vibes
summer prairie
at least 5 weapons in V2 with 100 dodges
spice veldt
damn i'm going to be really sad if I die because i dodged 100 times consecutively and get hit when I run out
forest coral
I’ve def done it by accident a few times
forest coral
Like I said
summer prairie
no idea what math.huge does here though
forest coral
Emotional damage
spice veldt
emotional damage to the psyker themselves? 😭
forest coral
Yes
royal granite
also proccing kinetic flayer with the bunk is incredibly funny
forest coral
The saddest psykers explode the brightest
cyan notch
see if its actually 100 and they list it as unlimited its probably intended
summer prairie
summer prairie
apparently math.huge is 2^1024 - 1
viral solstice
i mean its just saying
if u have a value that is close to the max or over the max (somehow)
call it unlimited
because thats how they use math.huge
royal granite
apparently math.huge is 2^1024 - 1
fucking what
viral solstice
u could try
royal granite
yeah i've done some modding in the past i can parse it
viral solstice
but its probs longer than lifetime of universe
spice veldt
mfs really used less-than rather than greater-than
royal granite
i'm sure there's a rational reason for this that doesn't involve crunch
forest coral
Less than setting a limit? Rough guess from me
viral solstice
i mean doesnt seem insane they might want the force sword to have infinite dodge
idk i just let them do what they do
hard to parse intentionality
spice veldt
probably intentional
since the force sword also has a higher block cost
but at the same time, infinite dodges just seems to be such a weird outlier
i guess they wanted to nerf the block without neutering your survival potential
viral solstice
iirc
they have form in this
in vt2
there were some shade weapons with "unlimited dodges" (actually 100)
so not unreasonable for them to say
"we want this weapon to behave like that"
give it a not completely insane dodge but let it not diminish
spice veldt
maybe, but the force sword also has the tools to fight in-position
forest coral
No diminishing returns on dodge spamming seems odd to make up for higher block cost
spice veldt
i still see it as very weird, esp with the higher dodge reset timer in this game
wide tiger
Force sword having unlimited dodges also is my reasoning behind deflector being a waste of a blessing
viral solstice
i mean
the fact a weapon is set up to do things
it also doesnt do well
or have inconsistent design intention
is literally a standard feature of like 90% of the release weapons in this game
like headhunter autoguns
viral solstice
i mean they didn't have a firm grasp of how shit was going to work in practice
because nothing was playtested
externally
so its all just "this should kinda work"
spice veldt
idk just have one person QA
viral solstice
its not enough
spice veldt
like recoil is something that is immediately felt
viral solstice
well in general recoil is not too badly done
spice veldt
like "hey maybe the headhunters shouldn't have 100x more recoil than the infantries"
viral solstice
some of it is too high for a weapon or odd
spice veldt
pre-patch wise at least
viral solstice
but u know if u shoot the mk 1 iag
leaden thunder
ripper gun mk5 recoil
leaden thunder
can turn upside down with the mk5
viral solstice
and clearly didnt spend much time on them
and also the stuff that the people messing around with things cared about often goes well
so like the feel of melee weapons
all that kinda stuff
on the whole pretty good
viral solstice
but then the sight picture of the hellbore is atrocious and they have weapon archetypes that are obviously terrible
spice veldt
nice anims
viral solstice
if u know anything about how humans actually aim
like the faster firing lasguns
what is target acquisition time and why is it a limiting factor for 100 jerry
the chance of having devs who are nerds in every single area they need to be is just low
spice veldt
as in the insanely fast-firing semi-auto kantrael IV is not a good idea irl?
viral solstice
well irl its a bit complicated because most semi autos are just ars on semi where its like
u can really fire that as fast or slow as u want
but stuff like the burst fire hh
the idea of a 2-shot burst is to put x rounds in the same place
the end point of that being the dumb an94 or various designs that nearly let u ignore the recoil
near wyvern
apparently math.huge is 2^1024 - 1
Things light math.huge, float.max etc. are always the largest value that the selected data type can hold
viral solstice
but ye in general what u want is something that kills what u point it at immediately
and in a game like this one way to look at the value of it is to think
if u have a gun that goes from 3s attack time to 1.5
u would always be lined up for that next shot
going from 1.5 to 0.5 still good
but 0.5 to 0.1 is much less of an advantage over multiple targets
olive ember
viral solstice
so if u take a gun like the XII, and u give another gun the same dps but it shoots way faster
near wyvern
I just wish you could hold down LMB with MGIV infantry lasgun
olive ember
but suppression
viral solstice
like guns have frontloaded damage, so instantly killing something lowers the amount of time u spend getting shot at
etc
cyan notch
full auto should be an accessibility toggle
olive ember
also never touched a gun in my life
near wyvern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyC-F_7QXtk
It's funny Airsoft rules say no full auto in buildings cause in the army they teach you full auto is only for in buildings
viral solstice
anyway just in general the guns are weirdly balanced because they are balanced numerically rather than by use
cyan notch
mg xii aint balanced numerically
viral solstice
and yeah
agri hh
if u can do that with a 2-round burst its not a two round burst
leaden thunder
feels like the agri shoulda been the semi
since the agri is the highest damage lowest fire rate for the other autoguns
near wyvern
if u can do that with a 2-round burst its not a two round burst
That is correct. The whole idea behind a burst firing weapon is that it fires all the bullets in the burst before the recoil lifts your barrel up.
cyan notch
the Kill Gooder
leaden thunder
kill gooder is what the soldiers would say
but they'd be told somekind of bs fancy phrase
viral solstice
but yeah theres a bunch of weapon subtypes that are going to get revamped
u can predict exactly which ones
near wyvern
I don't know the English word but yes, the whole point of using burst is to shoot more while retaining almost all of the accuracy, thus your forces appear larger than they are
viral solstice
theyve already done columnus iag
force multiplier
they will probs do graia iag because nobody uses it even tho its actually not that bad
tho its damage per mag is too low
the faster firing lasguns probs
etc
leaden thunder
also
why the fuck
do the infantry lasguns
have the worst hipfire
in the world
viral solstice
they have 170% maniac mod thats why
u ever think about that
its called cosmic justijce
leaden thunder
I didn't
olive ember
Alright gamers. can you tell which chat is for the gun nut class and which chat is for the space wizard class?
still hearth
Lasguns casually doing a billion damage
leaden thunder
I basically can't use them because I hipefire a lot
cyan notch
recon no recoil it shoot straightly good
viral solstice
ill have u know i did top damage in a hi 5 with a recon lasgun earlier
truly an incredible performance
i even got flamed for it
azure goblet
Would you guys put Warp Flurry on the left staff instead of Warp Nexus, then reroll +20% Unyielding perk to +25% Unarmoured, or Earn T4 Rending Shockwave and put it on the right staff?
spice veldt
earn t4 and move to the right staff, because the charge rate on the left is terrible
olive ember
I would just use a better staff
viral solstice
if i wanted the rending
viral solstice
still hearth
Isn't rending bad
viral solstice
i mean its 8 stacks of brittleness
azure goblet
left staff will eventually be able to slot T5 Warp Flurry
olive ember
it gives brittleness not rending
viral solstice
thats the cap
spice veldt
they fixed it so that rending doesn't do anything negative anymore
still hearth
Ye but trauma
forest coral
Rend deez
olive ember
it makes your team do gooder damage against crushers
still hearth
Who you helping with ur rending
olive ember
thats about it
cyan notch
its whatever but there aint many blessings or good ones to choose from
olive ember
but there aint much else you woudl put on a trauma
azure goblet
brittleness adds rending for your whole team its a supporty build
viral solstice
it gives aoe flak bonus
spice veldt
focused channelling if you want to be anti-shooter
viral solstice
a lot of people are like 70% flak and that would give them 10-20% damage
leaden thunder
makes you deal more damage to infested
olive ember
imagine needing focused channeling
viral solstice
not completely worthless
spice veldt
i personally changed my rending to focused channeling yesterday
still hearth
Das true
olive ember
If you ran MetaPsykerBuildTM you would have no need for focused channeling
vestal rose
pleased to report I am dying less since moving from wound+hp+hp to stam+stam+stam
health and wounds are a crutch that holds you back from being f a s t
still hearth
It's the tension
viral solstice
wait no magician so
still hearth
Your reaction speed increases
still hearth
Since you can't make mistakes
cyan notch
sexual tension
vestal rose
in related news, I need to find an easier button for crouch than control
so much sliding
vestal rose
shift is for run speedy
spice veldt
my crouch is 'C'
near wyvern
in related news, I need to find an easier button for crouch than control
so much...
I just hit it with the shaft of my pinky. Mechanical keyboards for the win.
supple skiff
^
near wyvern
I slam my hand on it and there is my slide
olive ember
my crouch is 'C'
disgusting
vestal rose
I just hit it with the shaft of my pinky. Mechanical keyboards for the win.
oh like
the base of your finger?
supple skiff
crouch on a mouse button to slide is great
viral solstice
for some reason ive ended up with the most cursed binds rn
olive ember
you are one of those
spice veldt
disgusting
ur disgusting
viral solstice
spacebar is ads, ctrl is jump, shift is duck, q is ranged weapon f is melee weapon close thumb is sprint far thumb is... weapon special? right click is dodge
spice veldt
you're not going to bait me into doing that
supple skiff
I have jump on alt
vestal rose
I crouch on mouse
reload, alternate fire, and push to talk are already on my easy mouse buttons ;-;
near wyvern
oh like
the base of your finger?
viral solstice
i keep finding dumber shit to do
that needs binds moved so i can do it while moving
vestal rose
interesting
do you have weird bendy fingers to do that?
actually no i think i can see how
that'd take some getting used to
olive ember
You guys make weird ass keybindings
viral solstice
supple skiff
my alt fire is 8 
vestal rose
i can see why y'all got put in the psyker chat
viral solstice
if u want to do this while moving
without macros
u gotta do some fucked up shit to ur binds
vestal rose
incredible
olive ember
Man I thought making the worst build possible for psyker would be hard
but its legit so much easier to do than to make a good build
idk wat to do now
azure goblet
Idk this is my primary trauma staff build right now, with ascendant blaze. Seems to work great for keeping at 6 warp charges, so the Rending Shockwave is a backup build
olive ember
I already basically got the best worst weapons in the game
leaden thunder
viral solstice
hell yeah
leaden thunder
make a bad vet build
viral solstice
fire trauma is for cool ppl
vestal rose
share the build
viral solstice
but bloodthirsty blazing spirit is for tru ballers
i got bs4 just waiting for bloodthirsty
near wyvern
interesting
do you have weird bendy fingers to do that?
I have my KB and mouse set up super ergonomically, hands in 90 degree angle and the wrist joint is straight in rest position not bent up. I have a customized wrist support for that.
The side product is that my fingers are practically parallel with the keyboard keys, so pressing ctrl with the pinky while pressing shift is super easy.
viral solstice
fire sword, fire sword
summer prairie
you need a level 1 psyker to farm the shop for worst items
viral solstice
does whatever a fire sword does
olive ember
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081319003479355412/image.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1081306969366876251/image.png
summer prairie
why does your worst build use 3-2
leaden thunder
becuase it's using guns with it
summer prairie
so
near wyvern
True chads level a second lvl 30 psyker just so they can get double rolls on Melk for blessings
leaden thunder
wait I was thinking of t1
viral solstice
truest chads live on the mourningstar irl
olive ember
whats the 5th class for
viral solstice
and die
near wyvern
True chads have an account for every class
Agreed.
viral solstice
still hearth
You have 5 character slots
still hearth
So you have 5 of each class
near wyvern
Dear god
summer prairie
level 1 items are rarer than lvl 30, ideally you have only level 1 characters and farm money
summer prairie
not sure how much xp you get when you lose
azure goblet
True chads level a second lvl 30 psyker just so they can get double rolls on Mel...
Yup did that but cat jumped on keyboard while i was grabbing lunch and deleted 2nd psyker
cyan notch
its pretty hard to farm money without levelling
olive ember
cats are menaces
still hearth
Based on progress
spice veldt
Yup did that but cat jumped on keyboard while i was grabbing lunch and deleted 2...
the cat knew what was good for you
cyan notch
grizzled jasper
supple skiff
mine hops on my lap and either naps or watches me play. hasn't deleted anything yet thank the emperor
cyan notch
the emperor is dead 💀
supple skiff
still material
long wharf
Yup did that but cat jumped on keyboard while i was grabbing lunch and deleted 2...
this is why I lock my computer whenever I step away from it, so the cat can't do anything on it
supple skiff
which is more I can say for anger issues, stinky, edgelord, and mega nerd
cyan notch
hard oyster
Man when you are sucking on psyker the game makes you feel even worse lol
The other characters being mean to you, demeaning you when they pick you up( or being scared)
cyan notch
sometimes when ur ressing someone they say I DONT NEED YOUR HELP
im like ok then ill stop the res and leave u on the floor
wide tiger
Yeah you show that guy who has no control over their voice lines, that'll teach them
cyan notch
exactly
supple skiff
yeah, but then you get a "thanks spark 'ead" suddenly its all worth it.
wide tiger
yikes
cyan notch
wide tiger
What's the general consensus on blazing spirit on force sword? I read somewhere if you pair it with bloodthirsty and chain spam specials it can stack soulblaze fast but other then that its largely useless
supple skiff
better options for blessings
wide tiger
sure, slaughterer is always the best
supple skiff
I have one with spirit and most of the time I forget it even has the blessing and its t4
olive ember
Its a meme
supple skiff
granted I cant speak to the interaction with bloodthirsty
wide tiger
yeah i have one too and its pretty fuckin bad
olive ember
its funny
wide tiger
i tried to make it work
olive ember
effectiveness ehhh
wide tiger
i also cant get a t4 force sword blessing for my life
ive raised like 70 blue force swords at this point, and have no ordo ducats left to raise profane force swords
and i have no t4 blessings
supple skiff
so, I had good luck taking purples that had a blessing I didnt want and upgade to orange
a lot of plasteel to fish but you get high tier blessings doing that
I don't think the odds are great doing the same from greet to blue
cyan notch
yea
wide tiger
cyan notch
i got a couple going to orange but i burned like 50k plasteel
wide tiger
guess i have to orange garbage force swords
supple skiff
yeah, In your position Id say get some purples with a throw away blessing and consecrate them to try for some t4s
wide tiger
hurts my soul
supple skiff
got a t3 slaughter, t4 flurry, and that weird double attack on crit blessing that way
wide tiger
I get most if not all my blessings from melk
cyan notch
or u can hope emp gift or melk gives em to u
wide tiger
this bullshit treadmill they have me on
wide tiger
i mean every emp's gift is a devils claw or autogun
supple skiff
the servitor one I mean
supple skiff
do folks still use axes now that passive quell was nerfed?
cyan notch
yes
wide tiger
I do
cyan notch
tac axes are great
supple skiff
never got the appeal myself
supple skiff
was curious as to how much the passive quell play into it
wide tiger
i can sit and spam push attack
spice veldt
fyi it's better to light than push-attack if you can; since lights do more damage and deal non-zero cleave damage, and push-attacks do less damage and deal 0 damage beyond the 3rd target
dense panther
which perk should i replace for unarmored?
wide tiger
fyi it's better to light than push-attack if you can; since lights do more damag...
sure, but i am effectively immortal in a horde with push attack
spice veldt
either one, but i'd replace +elites since both gunners and shotgunners are flak
wide tiger
also... stunlocking groups of ragers
dense panther
what does ranged damage elites include anyways
wide tiger
all elites
pearl delta
so brutal mmoentum is mandatory on a Mv axe right?
spice veldt
it really just means "damage to elites". Elites are enemies that pre-spawn on the map; specialists are enemies that spawn
so enemies like crushers, maulers, ragers, bulwarks, shotgunners, gunners, etc. are elites
wide tiger
bulwarks, crushers, ragers, shotgunners, gunners, maulers
spice veldt
mutants, flamers, etc. are specialists
wide tiger
so brutal mmoentum is mandatory on a Mv axe right?
I feel like it is
some people like to do the decimator headtaker thing but i dunno, brutal momentum changes the axe so much
wide tiger
plus spamming push attack renders decimator useless i believe
leaden thunder
it does
it's why headtaker is prefered
since even if the push attack isn't as great as people think it's still good to toss out
quaint pollen
what are best blessings/perks on surge staff? thank you
wide tiger
i kinda feel like blessings dont really matter on surge honestly
nexus for crit but do you really care if you crit that much
quaint pollen
yes, probably
supple skiff
imagine the blessing that makes it so that you can't be interupted is important
wide tiger
your damage is ass with the surge regardless of your crit rate
supple skiff
or nice to have at least
cyan notch
left click crits on surge are great
quaint pollen
yeah i imagine its warp nexus and focused channeling
cyan notch
they chunk pretty often
quaint pollen
should i get crit chance on perks too tho? idk
pearl delta
i thought crit helped surge stagger now... also who channels surge staff. rightclick + immediate left click always
if they made the channel increase targets rather than damage, then we'd be talking
jagged lance
the whole psykers with guns on heresy level needs to die.