revolver, shotgun, bolter on zealot especially
#psyker-class
plucky perch
solution? shotgun blaze bolts!
wide tiger
does purgatus really deserve to be so far behind flamer simply because it doesnt have ammunition? I would trade the unlimited ammo for the flamer in a heartbeat
rocky cedar
It also eliminates muties and dreg Ragers like literally nothing else in the game
ornate hamlet
does purgatus really deserve to be so far behind flamer simply because it doesnt...
i've never used flamer, i assume it's AoE CC isn't as effective as ours on certain specialist and elites
rocky cedar
i've never used flamer, i assume it's AoE CC isn't as effective as ours on certa...
It has more CC if anything
plucky perch
@ornate hamlet you are mistaken it does everyhting we do only better and with more range
at the cost of ammo
ornate hamlet
interesting
rocky cedar
Flamer is a genuinely broken weapon
plucky perch
it even TICKS its damage FASTER then us
ornate hamlet
maybe i should just play zealot
edgy heart
Like the bolt staff?
plucky perch
@edgy heart i would actualy like that
viral solstice
flamer is better than purg beacuse flamer gets blessings now
rocky cedar
<@456226577798135808> you are mistaken it does everyhting we do only better and ...
Swap speed and down time are the only things flamer is worse for
viral solstice
before blaze away got buffed
it was less absurd
but flamer is legitimately ammo limited if ur dumb with it
the thing about purg is
it in theory has synergy with psyker talents
rocky cedar
Yeah blaze away pushes it to truly silly levels
viral solstice
which is cool!
the problem is that synergy is kinda lacklustre
in the sense it doesnt do as much as u would hope
free warp charges yay
rocky cedar
the problem is that synergy is kinda lacklustre
I dunno the warp charge generation with AB does a heap for you
ornate hamlet
if you mean kinetic flayer, yeah 95% of the time it's CD is being wasted on horde trash
viral solstice
flamer needs nerf
plucky perch
dont forget! burn, unlike soul blaze, has high effect to ALL armour AND doesnt fade off monstrosities after 3 seconds
ornate hamlet
fatshark should really make kinetic flayer only proc on specialist, elites, or monstrosity
viral solstice
its zero interest
and the other reason flamer is better than purg
is nothing to do with flamer
its zealot f
in theory the advantage of purg is that its on a psyker
rocky cedar
fatshark should really make kinetic flayer only proc on specialist, elites, or m...
That'd defeat its secondary use of passive warp charge generation
viral solstice
so u see crushers and he can also help with those
wide tiger
Look, flamer is busted, sure, it was just the closest parallel i could draw between a weapon with ammo and one without
rocky cedar
Which is like most of the reason a lot of people use it
viral solstice
no but im going ot mald about flamers becaus ei hate that weapon
summer prairie
@plucky perch flamer stack duration is 4, soulblaze 8
viral solstice
its probably one of if not the most powerful hi 5 weapons in the game albeit with a specific niche
ornate hamlet
That'd defeat its secondary use of passive warp charge generation
i use kinetic overload instead
viral solstice
and the fact u can just flame a crusher
press f
and it instadies
is so stupid
like thats the real issue with flamer vs purg
if the flamer couldn't shit on armour like the emperors fist
because of zealot f
plucky perch
@summer prairie against monstrosities soul blaze wears off with in 3 or 4 ticks normaly, unless they changed that in one of the latest patches
wide tiger
even if it couldnt annihilate crushers with f, crushers all by themselves arent really that scary
viral solstice
and the thing i hate about it
rocky cedar
u wouldnt get those ridiculous 6 maulers in 1second killfeeds or wahtever
Those happen without f bro
viral solstice
yea but i mean f makes it worse
cos its a mixed horde
and EVERYTHING dies
no brane require
rocky cedar
Like all the time those happen
ornate hamlet
true, crushers really are never the reason ppl wipe
rocky cedar
Crushers are the only opposition without F
viral solstice
the problem with soulblaze too is that its like
this is literally a dot
that is on their soul
rocky cedar
Everything else dies super easy to flamer
viral solstice
and it does zero vs crusher
rocky cedar
Without f
wide tiger
Okay lets forget flamer for a second
viral solstice
armour plated arteries
ornate hamlet
i use axe dude, crushers are 0 problem for me
viral solstice
yea but thats not my point
my point is that dots are in a stupid place
fatshark dont know what dots should be doing
ornate hamlet
purg+axe has no weakness at medium or short range, it's weakness is long range all we have is BB
viral solstice
flamer just shoots a dot that is effectively damage vs everything
purg has a dot but that dot doesn't have any real cool niche beyond "its a blue dot"
wide tiger
unlimited ammo just isn't a good enough reason that our staves do dogshit damage comparatively to other classes weaponry, sure our feats are to blame partially
rocky cedar
It still makes no sense to me that bleed is garbage against hordes but good on unyielding
wide tiger
But really if you go and measure the dps output of our weapons compared to other classes its not really all that close 😦
viral solstice
well its also - and this is one of the biggest ones - that staff blessings are trash
rocky cedar
That feels so backwards
viral solstice
like pinning fire gives u 100% power
wide tiger
Yeah staff blessings are rough
viral solstice
blaze away 50%
if ur running an optimised voidstrike ur main upside is spamming faster
if ur running an optimised bolter
ur doing double damage and ignoring armour
ornate hamlet
unlimited ammo just isn't a good enough reason that our staves do dogshit damage...
yeah it's mostly because staff blessings are so shitty, and because of how damage is calculated, it just doesn't work like it should.
it's still our best horde killing tool
rocky cedar
Blessing balance is just generally cooked
viral solstice
i think there are a few staves that need specific buffs
plucky perch
honestly what i hate most about staffs and psyker is our 3/4 staff primary. blaze bolt is solid on a head shot, but thats it, its slow comes out swkard has travel time fires slow has a very limited number of casts before reaching max peril...
viral solstice
voidstrike needs like 2-3 more cleave mass on full charge
wide tiger
Like don't get me wrong, i can do hi5, but when i go on my zealot or veteran i'm just like... "whoah"
summer prairie
@plucky perch the fade time is the same with every enemy type
viral solstice
surge just needs something, anything, to make it not the most boring weapon in the game
wide tiger
especially when im rocking my headtaker 4 rampage 4 heavy sword... jesus that thing is insane
viral solstice
yep
wide tiger
people complain about power sword
plucky perch
@summer prairie my mistake
viral solstice
well to be fair heavy sword is on the melee class
power sword i think upsets people more because its on vet
summer prairie
you get 11 tics and then it starts fading
wide tiger
sure, yeah, zealot is the "melee" class
ornate hamlet
surge just needs something, anything, to make it not the most boring weapon in t...
surge should have it's range and damage buffed
purge should have it's range and damage rebalanced to do as much damage as you'd expect it to do to various enemies
viral solstice
what i would like with surge
rocky cedar
people complain about power sword
At least heavy sword still struggles against crushers. Power sword has no armour type weaknesses
wide tiger
I mean, we're all kinda melee/ranged hybrid classes, but yes ill concede zealots feats are melee centric
wide tiger
At least heavy sword still struggles against crushers. Power sword has no armour...
Yep true
viral solstice
the weapon is a crit archetype
but crits just let u kill trash faster
????
fucking what
make crits give u 12 bounces instead of 6
plucky perch
we need a MK variant of force sword, that does power sword things
plucky perch
lemme woosh my blade
viral solstice
and make the lightning blue
rocky cedar
make crits give u 12 bounces instead of 6
Give surge blazing spirit
wide tiger
I have really high hopes for the force heavy sword or whatever, but also why does fatshark shit on psykers so much?
viral solstice
ornate hamlet
what this game really needs is subclasses
rocky cedar
It would actually make sense there
viral solstice
lightnin burn's
rocky cedar
I have really high hopes for the force heavy sword or whatever, but also why doe...
Buffs next patch apparently
viral solstice
broadly psykers need psyker-specific blessings for all their weapons
guns, non psyker weapons
blazing spirit on everything
why do u get infernus
??
plucky perch
also the idea of surge uniquely benifitiing from cit to bounce chain more is actualy kinda cool
wide tiger
Buffs next patch apparently
Pretty sure thats just gonna be a bandaid to the non-psyker weaponry quell backlash
plucky perch
would make it fun and more zappy
wide tiger
could be wrong
rocky cedar
Pretty sure thats just gonna be a bandaid to the non-psyker weaponry quell backl...
I'd be fine with that personally
That change sucked
plucky perch
@wide tiger your PROBABLY right, but i HOPE your wrong
wide tiger
fuck man i hope im wrong too
rocky cedar
Psyker doesn't feel weak to me TBH
ornate hamlet
psyker survivability is the worst of all classes tho
our damage output should reflect that
rocky cedar
Just lacking synergies for non force weapons
ornate hamlet
it just doesn't
wide tiger
Psyker's feat tree feels kinda bad
rocky cedar
psyker survivability is the worst of all classes tho
Debatable
wide tiger
like there are so many dead feats, imo
rocky cedar
Stamina stats and KD pretty stronk
wide tiger
or synergies that almost work, but dont
worn heath
psyker talent tree vs vet talent tree
ornate hamlet
dude he uses dagger and pistols or something so
worn heath
like vet tree has maybe 2-3 ones outside their thp line that're not used at all
rocky cedar
like there are so many dead feats, imo
I honestly can't think of that many. Quicken and Wrack and Ruin stand out
worn heath
whereas the psyker tree is the reverse of that
rocky cedar
dude he uses dagger and pistols or something so
Only recently, I've spent most of my time with DS, chainsword, trauma, surge, and Purg
ornate hamlet
mind in motion should allow you to sprint while quelling
change my mind
worn heath
run and gun should let you charge and cast at full run speed
feral verge
mind in motion should allow you to sprint while quelling
change my mind
it would need more than that to make it compete
rocky cedar
how
See above. Stamina regen, great mobility weapons like DS, infinite dodges on FS, KD lets you spam push attacks with complete safety and be one of the best revivers in the game
wide tiger
I think mind in motion is really bad
rocky cedar
I find damage avoidance especially manageable on Psyker
wide tiger
Also I feel like that tough Dr based on peril is awful...
ornate hamlet
I think mind in motion is really bad
everyone thinks it is, i use it
still hearth
Mind in Motion should make you quell at full speed whenever you're not attack 
rocky cedar
mind in motion should allow you to sprint while quelling
change my mind
Mind in Motion is a fair call, that one's pretty bad
viral solstice
i mean
rocky cedar
You can snipe shooters from out of their line of sight you don't really need as much DR in the first place frankly
viral solstice
most zealots have less than that much passive dr
wide tiger
I'm partial to kinetic deflection myself, but I don't use deflector I think it's a trap blessing
viral solstice
its the same as ogryn toughness dr roughly depending on peril
and vet 75% toughness dr during ult is obviously broken
and going to get nerfed
i will put money on it
wide tiger
Probably
viral solstice
either that or they nerf infinite counterfire
wide tiger
But even at 50% it still outclassed our options
forest coral
I wouldn’t surprised if it did
Because right now I can tank an entire room of shooters and elites with it
wide tiger
Outclasses*
worn heath
I mean the zealot DR got the nerf bat, and that was way more of a hassle to upkeep than vet's
still hearth
If you could have 50 Toughness DR at 100% peril that'd make some funky Force Sword builds.
Melee Psyker when
wide tiger
Honestly if they gave me zealot slide 0 damage... I'd be pretty happy
feral verge
Melee Psyker when
this
ornate hamlet
i want an axe psyker subclass that dual wields axes.
viral solstice
zealot 0 slide damage does basically nothing
ornate hamlet
using void to enrage
feral verge
fuck gun psyker
viral solstice
fyi
still hearth
Just dodge melee attacks
feral verge
need melee pysker
ornate hamlet
right?
viral solstice
the real issue psykers have is much more simple
toughness recovery on psyker
fucking blows
wide tiger
zealot 0 slide damage does basically nothing
What?! Lol
still hearth
The only time I get use of Zealot slide is to ignore melee enemies when I'm chasing something else.
ornate hamlet
wouldn't a psyker dual axe berserker style subclass be awesome?
viral solstice
the only thing that can hit u during slide is specific melee attacks if ur sliding somewhere stupid
rocky cedar
I dunno I just find Psyker one of the best classes to avoid damage in the first place, feels like it balances their squishiness in practice to me
viral solstice
and it only gives u invulnerability if ur max toughness
the average amount of value a player gets from it
is very low
wide tiger
Slide invincibility is amazing
viral solstice
and some attacks go thru it
ornate hamlet
give me a psyker subclass that dual wields axes and has movespeed bonus and unlimited dodge, i'll play it all day
wide tiger
No it's against ranged too
viral solstice
every class
still hearth
That's not a Zealot thing
viral solstice
is immune to ranged during slide
still hearth
rocky cedar
Not that many melee attacks hit you during slide in the first place
It's a dodge after all
wide tiger
No you can Def take damage from ranged during a slide on psyker
viral solstice
nope
rocky cedar
So yeah it's pretty irrelevant most of the time
viral solstice
u see what i mean vanessa
still hearth
Having this talk
viral solstice
this haunts me
still hearth
Again
viral solstice
IT HAUNTS ME
still hearth
rocky cedar
No you can Def take damage from ranged during a slide on psyker
You absolutely cannot
still hearth
Let me grab my literal video
ornate hamlet
No you can Def take damage from ranged during a slide on psyker
yes, you can, because timing and position matter when dodging and sliding
still hearth
Of my sliding on Ogryn
rocky cedar
Nor can Ogryn for that matter
wide tiger
It depends when you slide
ornate hamlet
if you slide directly to or from an enemy that is firing ranged attacks at you, you can still get hit
just like dodging
wide tiger
If I slide after the muzzle flash I totally take damage
rocky cedar
Zealot would be hit "out of slide" the same way any other class is
still hearth
That's because lag
ornate hamlet
you need to both time the dodge/slide and strafe, or you'll be hit
still hearth
Not because you're not immune to the shots
viral solstice
yeah dodging and sliding put u into a state
that makes u immune to ranged
its literally called dodge
feral verge
Let me grab my literal video
can we see the figurative video after too?
viral solstice
u know the blessing ghost
rocky cedar
If you're hit with ranged it's because your slide was over
viral solstice
do u know how its implemented
its implemented with a variable called "count_as_dodge_vs_ranged"
its an on off toggle
still hearth
viral solstice
because thats how dodge and slide work
still hearth
It's not much more clear than this, the shots literally phaze through me
rocky cedar
Yeah I hate the whole "invincible Zealot slide" stuff
plucky perch
can we agree on one thing? psybolts need faster travel and NO delay from lmb to cast?
still hearth
You can't take damage from ranged while sliding, if you take damage its a lag issue
rocky cedar
It's functionally the same against ranged as literally any slide
ornate hamlet
can we agree on one thing? psybolts need faster travel and NO delay from lmb to ...
use purg
because yes, it's annoying af
wide tiger
I've had shots hit me during slide and stagger me out of slide. If it's lag it's lag but it's never happened to me on my zealot
still hearth
The in game stuff
rocky cedar
Same as you would be on Psyker
plucky perch
use purg
yeah the travel time and delay to cast is so severe that even leading targets, witch im decent at in most games i can almost never land shots reliablbly on mobing targets
ornate hamlet
it seems like playing with other people who have terrible ping to you causes a lot of desync get-hit-by-shit-that-shouldn't-have-hit-you stuff
still hearth
My favorite part is when I don't run TWBS on Zealot
Get hit by a melee attack at 100% Toughness
tropic heron
Which staff is best for team carry? (Like you can deal with many types of enemies)
ornate hamlet
yeah the travel time and delay to cast is so severe that even leading targets, w...
- their natural movespeed is much faster than ours, even just moving around they move as if they're sprinting all the time
still hearth
Then when I stand up my dude goes "woaaaa"
And I move at 2% speed
For like 0.5s
Even though I took no damage
feral verge
Which staff is best for team carry? (Like you can deal with many types of enemie...
imo voidstrike
works up close, works at range
just BB ogryns and maniacs
plucky perch
we all know best psyker ranged is heavy las pistol
feral verge
it staggers too
tropic heron
we all know best psyker ranged is heavy las pistol
Only thing I like about las pistol is the lack of recoil on it
sacred dome
But why not play vet then?
wide tiger
How about that special activate on the Las pistol ehhh
still hearth
Voidstrike even does good damage to Ogryns and Maniacs.
plucky perch
is purely joking
still hearth
Force shove on laspistol is sexy
rocky cedar
Only thing I like about las pistol is the lack of recoil on it
We gonna pretend BB doesn't exist?
viral solstice
i mean "good" to maniacs is a strong term for how voidstrike does
still hearth
If only it didn't do nothing on flak
ornate hamlet
Which staff is best for team carry? (Like you can deal with many types of enemie...
axe+purg is going to provide you with the best horde clear using purg, and be able to kill tougher enemies very quickly with axe.
the downside is that it's all short/short-medium range
when you have to deal with ranged packs, at long range, you have no other option but to BB
rocky cedar
I don't understand that argument at all
rocky cedar
We gonna pretend BB doesn't exist?
Wrong reply sorry
tropic heron
axe+purg is going to provide you with the best horde clear using purg, and be ab...
As a zealot player who changed to psyker the axe feels very shitty on the psyker
rocky cedar
That was aimed at @sacred dome
wide tiger
We can all agree that staff special is overtuned af though right?
ornate hamlet
As a zealot player who changed to psyker the axe feels very shitty on the psyker
lol you should stick with zealot then
viral solstice
i mean if u wanna kill shooters at range quickly u aint doin it faster than a gun
still hearth
tropic heron
Slow attack speed and generally not stamina to use shove attack
viral solstice
yeah staff fu is op
forest coral
Yeah it does emotional damage
plucky perch
staff melle is undoubtedly why out charge times get to 2+ seconds and psybolts have to suck
viral solstice
if surge staff had blazing spirit
u could crit with ur staff melee
to set ppl on fire
ezpz
now thats what i call viable (volume 3)
wide tiger
Too broken
plucky perch
we would be unstoppable otherwise
rocky cedar
Staff special needs to be entirely reworked
Ideally doing different things on each staff
wide tiger
Would have to generate peril with each swing
viral solstice
make it so the second hit of the heavy combo explodes on voidstrike, sets on fire with purg, lightning on surge, uhhh bigger explosion on trauma
there u go
plucky perch
@rocky cedar obviously it doing melle is to much we just need to rave it menacingly instead
rocky cedar
For that matter more gun specials should have unique Psyker variants like las pistol does
Non force melee weapons too
viral solstice
broadly guns and melee weapons need peril interacting blessings
wide tiger
I would like psyker specific blessings on guns but you know it'll never happen based on their infrastructure
viral solstice
they can do iot
ornate hamlet
viral solstice
theres set up for generic blessing pools and stuff
its just
u know
blessings were thrown together in 2 weeks
viral solstice
that might take a while
rocky cedar
I'd settle for unique specials but yeah blessings would be nice too
ornate hamlet
what psyker should have been but isn't
viral solstice
but better support in tree would be gud
sacred dome
That was aimed at <@403320046941765632>
but you missed because lmb delay and i was far away enough to move left
rocky cedar
but better support in tree would be gud
Replace wrack and ruin with a gun feat. It's the perfect place for it
still hearth
Muggle feats should be a thing
plucky perch
though in all seriousness having staff specials be tied to type would be nice... for void strike a conal foward facing knock down with good range... for trauma a single point blank staff slam that knocks back in 360 degrees but with less range...surge single target hard stun followed by a channeless alt fire finishing zap?...purge....melle cleave that applies a good number of soul blaze stacks?
wide tiger
Guns no longer consume ammo but instead do 50% damage and generate peril 🥳
It's on theme!
wide tiger
I agree
rocky cedar
fucking trash
Really?
viral solstice
compare to any other class and u w ill s ee
wide tiger
Comparatively yes
near wyvern
what psyker should have been but isn't
Well it's called biomancer in the leaked code so that would hint there was a sudden change of design at some point
rocky cedar
How are any of the three on their appropriate weapon worse than Zealot EWEW for instance
viral solstice
vet gets 50% toughness per elite
rocky cedar
I'm struggling to see it
plucky perch
if peril-toughness was 100% i feel that would be a solid feet...warp absorption buffed to 20% a kill and just allow warp charges to stack in duration
ornate hamlet
Well it's called biomancer in the leaked code so that would hint there was a sud...
yes they're going to eventually give us subclasses, and i'm sure we'll all be disappointed with psyker options
as usual
rocky cedar
vet gets 50% toughness per elite
That's also by far and away the most broken toughness feat in the game TBF
near wyvern
Replace wrack and ruin with a gun feat. It's the perfect place for it
Also make Mind in Motion baseline and there is your second slot for a gun / regular weapon feat
viral solstice
EWEW w/ double ult
still hearth
Even the other Vet toughness feats can't compare to Confirmed Kill
wide tiger
That's also by far and away the most broken toughness feat in the game TBF
I'd argue counterfire is
plucky perch
@near wyvern perhaps make mind in motion one of our archetype passives?
still hearth
Ogryn can also get 100% toughness in one heavy
viral solstice
confident strike is a blessing but 7% toughness or wahtever per chained attack
is goofy af
restive slate
Counterfire should mark ONLY shooters
rocky cedar
EWEW w/ double ult
Ok fair, I thought we were just talking about toughness feats
still hearth
Veteran toughness DR needs to actually be ranged only
And still needs to be nerfed
viral solstice
i mean like
psyker toughness economy
u only get shitloads when ur trolling a h orde with a full purg or whatever
wide tiger
One shot from a lad patrolman and I'm hiding in a corner
Meanwhile on my vet I don't care
Las
near wyvern
if peril-toughness was 100% i feel that would be a solid feet...warp absorption ...
They should just combine warp absorption and essence harvest and then add an additional feat, something like regen X% toughness per second for each enemy that has a soulblaze effect up to Y% per second
rocky cedar
u only get shitloads when ur trolling a h orde with a full purg or whatever
I mean you have access to coherency like everyone else but unlike Zealot you're best positioned where you'll get advantage out of it
wide tiger
I kinda wish warp absorption worked with force sword but it would probably favor the force sword too much
plucky perch
@near wyvern i feel that would just double down on how stupid good, least in comparison to other staffs, purge is
near wyvern
<@345531303942291457> perhaps make mind in motion one of our archetype passives?
Well I don't care where to put it but baseline means always on regardless of your choices
wide tiger
It'd also be op
viral solstice
i mean
rocky cedar
So in practice I feel like it's not that bad when playing close to team
still hearth
Warp Absorption should just be 10% on kill
viral solstice
coherency is coherency
wide tiger
That'd be kinda nuts lol
still hearth
Not really
rocky cedar
It really would though
feral verge
I think it's too much
still hearth
near wyvern
<@345531303942291457> i feel that would just double down on how stupid good, lea...
Probs. I am not a Dev so my opinions don't matter anyways
feral verge
Make it 5% or something
rocky cedar
That feat is already strong on Void and Trauma
restive slate
10% over 2s?
still hearth
I find it too cumbersome even on the good staffs
The moments you need toughness
You don't have time to charge for 2s
And find a horde of enemies
They should buff all the toughness feats though
wide tiger
Agreed
near wyvern
I remember when Essence Harvest was 50%, ah the glorious days of beta
restive slate
Imagine if they revert toughness so damage doesn't bleed through
near wyvern
Also where is my shotgun
rocky cedar
None of them feel bad to me TBH but whatever not buffing them isn't a hill I'd die on
wide tiger
I'd also like for our shitty "5-15%" damage buff feat be more in line with other classes
plucky perch
@near wyvern shotgun blaze bolt primary when
feral verge
Psyker doesn't feel bad to me. I just want it to feel even better
restive slate
Ooooh Psyker specific weapon specials like laspistol pls
near wyvern
I'd also like for our shitty "5-15%" damage buff feat be more in line with other...
Wait till you hear about the Emperor's greatest blessing: Unstable Power
Which used to also work while not having the weapon active but that was felt as too strong so you gotta have the FS out.
wide tiger
Yeah
plucky perch
@rocky cedar then have it work like surge and have almost no slow down what so ever while charging
restive slate
I just noticed Headhunter has a Charged Heavy special melee
Why can't Psyker staffs have that?
rocky cedar
I'm thinking like beam staff alt fire from VT2 basically
jagged lance
please recommend some great blessings for theMKVI Force staff?
restive slate
But the headhunters charged special deals way more damage than the pitiful staffs hahaha
wide tiger
Staff melee doesn't use ammo so it's not allowed to do good damage 🙂
plucky perch
i know the ultimate buff to out staffs melle.... when it hits a pox walker or groaners head... it makes a hollow bonk sound
jagged lance
Are just bad
for psykers or for everyone?
plucky perch
possible blessing the bonk is also applied to muties and hounds
still hearth
For all but Ogryns kind of
jagged lance
For all but Ogryns kind of
yes
restive slate
Cause Ogryns stronk
still hearth
Ogryn punches are pretty good, their melee specials are also pretty good
wide tiger
If they made it so I could knock back allies with staff melee I'd be so satisfied
jagged lance
the uppercut staggers elites when it matters
wide tiger
Push the shield ogryn forward
plucky perch
@wide tiger give it a parabolic arc so you can launch em like a grenade
wide tiger
The dream
jagged lance
Push the shield ogryn forward
I tried to follow a shield ogryn to a sniper with my own ogryn and the shot when straight through the upper part of his shield and straight to my forehead.
plucky perch
turn it into a skill based projectile
rocky cedar
Melee weapon specials often good, ranged special attacks almost all bad
plucky perch
isnt their lore of a psyker channeling into thier staff and just kinda... caving some heavy armour in with raw psychic force?
forest coral
Brain burstin
plucky perch
we need that
wide tiger
I mean yeah that's brainburst, which btw I think is a fantastic grenade ability
feral verge
I love bb
wide tiger
Just wish our kit didn't tie itself so closely to it
plucky perch
ooh wont lie charge time might be a bit much
but i ADORE brain burst
the lock on and dive into cover, and the satisfying CRUNCH when it casts
thorny crypt
pro psykers wats the good surge build pleasE? i'm new to this class , doing lvl 5 runs
thorny crypt
any decent purga build?
plucky perch
@thorny crypt warp nexus for a blessing and crit chance for a perk is a good start
feral verge
Ascendant blaze, warp battery
forest coral
Communion or group skill cool-down, essence harvest or quietitude. All work, find what works best for u personally
plucky perch
i would be satisfied with purge buff if it just got the flamers max range
i wanna purgutus the heretics at all ranges
feral verge
I'm okay with it not being as good as flamer
wide tiger
Watch they nerf purg, buff flamer :p
feral verge
Cuz it has infinite ammo, faster 'reload speed'
wide tiger
Where's my soulblaze away blessing damnit
ornate hamlet
Watch they nerf purg, buff flamer :p
if they did i'd just quit playing completely
wide tiger
Eh purgatus is a pretty good staff as it is right now when you compare to our others. Just have to forget flamer exists and all is well
Would be pretty cool to have blazing spirit on it
feral verge
I was on a team with 3 zealots who all had flamers and it sucked
wide tiger
Exactly
feral verge
Nothing at range died
feral verge
That's why as zealot I always run bolter
feral verge
Nothing at range died
. I had to bb everything
wide tiger
Heavy sword, for me, is probably the single most satisfying thing in dt, so really don't need flamer
feral verge
Watch boss HP disintegrate
viral solstice
really obvious staff archetype
blessing
heavy charge: 10% power per charge level, stacks to 50%
wide tiger
I kinda hate thammer
wide tiger
Staggering myself feels bad
feral verge
I kinda hate thammer
Blocked
wide tiger
Lol
viral solstice
like theres lots of stuff u could do with staff charge
if b lazing spirit on voidstrike was 1 soulblaze applied per 20% charge
5 at full
cool
or whatever
but u get the general idea
wide tiger
Yeah that's a neat idea
viral solstice
theres just an entire archetype of blessings right th ere by direct analogy to heavy attack charging
feral verge
I'd like to see sienna's boltstaff
viral solstice
blotstaf
feral verge
That thing was cool
near wyvern
Soulblaze definitely should be like 1 to 3 stacks based on charge time
The current crit crap is just a joke
Even with Warp Nexus it's not enough
viral solstice
i mean its also just that in general crit on staves is really confused
surge is a crit weapon but crit just gives it damage vs unarmoured and infested (Trash mobs? lol)
crit on a voidstrike makes ur left click WAY better
and ur right click... barely better
why
they literally have the same fuckin name
near wyvern
With void you at least get double the stacks when you direct hit the elite because the projectile and explosion both apply 3 stacks but it's unreliable to get it
viral solstice
why does green blob 1 crit for nothing while green blob 2 crits for lots
or u can shoot da feet
if ur unsure
but its still capped anyway
its not melee blazing spirit
near wyvern
but its still capped anyway
Staff blazing spirit is not capped
viral solstice
warpfire on crit defaults to a cap of 6 unless its overriden
near wyvern
Except by the global 31 stack cap
wide tiger
It would be nice if we had a feat that increased our crit chance vs targets affected by soulblaze
But I guess that's stepping on bloodlettings toes
summer prairie
The base template has max_stacks 6 and the trait templates clone that one and don't modify it
viral solstice
ye its only changing num_stacks_on_proc to 3 from 2, leaving max_stacks at 6.
ye and no matter how many crits i n a row
can never get it to tick over 3 on a crusher 41 on a reaper
wide tiger
Oof
viral solstice
and 41 is the 6stack value
so yeah like i thought it defaults to 6
2 force sword crits gets u to 8 stacks which is 69 (nice) on a reaper
and 12 stacks is indeed 12 damage per tick on an oggy
da deeps
plucky perch
max stacks with our currently locked 80% is 16 right?
summer prairie
do you have some vs carapace or something, I was expecting 10 dmg tics
viral solstice
uhhh
yes
25% carapace on this force sword
for some reason
so yeah 10 there u go
summer prairie
that checks out
idle bay
Except by the global 31 stack cap
Question: Did you get T4 Surge blessing for Void to test? I've got mine yesterday and posted videos here of it's working both for LBM and RMB attacks to much relief that it's actually working blessing 🙂
viral solstice
im prepping this for when i definitely get bloodthirsty
viral solstice
Question: Did you get T4 Surge blessing for Void to test? I've got mine yesterda...
hell yeah
viral solstice
so 1.01 is 2
better than vt2 target dummy
u did over 255.75 damage?
another bit of text
we didnt pay for more than 8bits
viral solstice
sorry i mean
hell yeah to the "it works part"
not
"hell yeah shut up idiot we know"
cyan notch
surge is a crit weapon but crit just gives it damage vs unarmoured and infested ...
no it gives pretty substantial jumps to damage vs everything except flak and carapace which it already does a ton
plucky perch
ooh
viral solstice
i mean
cyan notch
and left click is pretty good damage too
viral solstice
thats not substantial
plucky perch
can we still not get surge on ironicly the most crity of our staffs the..surge..staff?
cyan notch
unyielding 330 -> 467
viral solstice
thats 50%
this is a finesse weapon
well, crit scaling
and the left click gets way more than that
still hearth
Crit weapons in this game are karked
viral solstice
the only notable increase there is the unarmoured infested
still hearth
There's only one actual crit weapon and its Knife
viral solstice
partly because they start so fuckin low that going up to 220 vs unarmoured infested suddenly makes it kill some
cyan notch
its not really a finesse weapon
viral solstice
finesse in the archetype sense
they have this generic concept of some weapons being "finesse weapons" that scale crit or weakspot power etc
surge scales crit inherently so its on that axis
its just... u know
viral solstice
left click doesnt
thats the dumb part
voidstrike left click
crit scaling out the fuckin wazoo
voidstrike right click
dogshit
but theyre literally the same fuckin bolt name
cyan notch
why is void out the wazoo
viral solstice
i mean
cyan notch
it seems the same as surge or trauma
viral solstice
its all the same
ytes
they all have great crit scaling on left click
cos its the same move
but its particularly galling in the case of voidstrike
where its the same projectile type
just bigger
but suddenly crits are irrelevant
and then u get warp nexus
near wyvern
Question: Did you get T4 Surge blessing for Void to test? I've got mine yesterda...
No I have it only for Trauma. I also have T4 Sustained Fire for Trauma because the Emperor loves me
near wyvern
Yeah surge for void is working
plucky perch
any one know if we can get a surge blessing on a surge staff? wanna know if i should bother looking for it in melks and the shop
viral solstice
u cant that would make it the surge squared staff
which is illegal
surge would actually work so well on surge staff too
tho it would be kinda cracked
with that critrate
near wyvern
I still doubt surge is that good since you would have to run nexus to get the most value but transfer flurry is just lit on void
plucky perch
friggin lol of course they dont give the coolest sounding crit blessing to the crit staff
viral solstice
im almost certain
but its the most fun
which is why i want it
maybe even run surge blazing spirit
idle bay
No I have it only for Trauma. I also have T4 Sustained Fire for Trauma because t...
I'm more in favor of Omnissia so i have T4 blessings where is want them if i was a good cogboy 🙂
viral solstice
and 10% of the time u shoot triple burning fireballs every time
normal sequoia
Got a random shitty voidstrike from a Heresy plasteel run... but it got the Surge blessing on it 
normal sequoia
I am already dead, because I play psyker lol
cyan notch
whoa emp gift?
river sand
tested surge a lot. its not worth 😭
cyan notch
thats pretty cool
near wyvern
any one know if we can get a surge blessing on a surge staff? wanna know if i sh...
No you can't. It's rather funny to be honest. You have Sustained Fire and Surge on Trauma which are useless pieces of shit on it, but then for Surge, which actually has good base LMB crits and could benefit from those blessings, they do not exist.
idle bay
Now we need a unique (and most likely useless) T4 Blessing for Surge staff.
normal sequoia
how important is Warp Nexus blessing for Surge? Or is it, even?
river sand
if you take nexus, crit perk and surge it proccs often enough to be noticeable but you miss flurry and the peril thingy
viral solstice
warp nexus essential for surge
river sand
surge + flurry is funny but you build too much peril
viral solstice
because u go 10% crit to 20%+
normal sequoia
because rn I am sitting on this voidstrike, but neither blessigns are optimal I guess 
plucky perch
@near wyvern 100% they chickened out on giving us double lightning
viral solstice
and ur triple shots
normal sequoia
so dunno which to replace with Surge
viral solstice
well are triple
normal sequoia
because rn I am sitting on this voidstrike, but neither blessigns are optimal I...
I guess replace Sustained fire with Surge? Because from what I understood, it's affecting only the LMB bolts?
cyan notch
lotsa crit
near wyvern
<@345531303942291457> 100% they chickened out on giving us double lightning
Surge does not give double Trauma explosions so it's not about that. Even with LMB only you could use that with surge, since you could get close to 40-50% crit chance with surge + nexus and fire 3 LMB bursts to actually kill ranged mobs in 1 or 2 hits with the Surge staff but no. Sustained fire could also help meet LMB vs ranged break points with less RNG but no.
near wyvern
lotsa crit
That's actually quite optimal for surge
I just don't like the lack of damage and prefer Trauma
Blazing Spirit on Surge when
normal sequoia
wow, so Surge on voidstrike triggers on both primary and secondary attacks?
summer prairie
Well it tics to 6 immediately
normal sequoia
I can imagine how busted it has to be with both T4 Warp nexus and 5% crit chance perk lol
just two shot a crusher in meat grinder with two crits (so like 4 bolts in total) in the head lol
viral solstice
thats a 3second charge tho
lil more
with no wf
so if u compare that to a pinning fire rending bolter...
(not saying its bad just not lie... oip)
normal sequoia
english is not my first language so sometimes I misunderstand things a bit
so sorry for that
normal sequoia
low
gotcha
I guess I have to start looking for a decent voidstrike with at least T2 nexus already on it then...
normal sequoia
What do you guys proc on Purgatus btw? Is Crit chance and Warp Nexus worth it for the double burn stack?
In fact, I noticed that a lot my friends just stack crits on both Purgatus and Surge, so I am guessing that's the current meta? 
olive ember
When vets are so OP they’ve gone full circle and are complaining that they are too OP
olive ember
What do you guys proc on Purgatus btw? Is Crit chance and Warp Nexus worth it fo...
Warp nexus and then terrifying barrage for blessings
For purge and surge
If warp flurry wasn’t broken you would replace terrifying barrage with it
still hearth
Warp Nexus is basically the only thing that is good on Purge atm
olive ember
Huh the suns coming up
still hearth
Does it even roll Run 'n' Gun?
still hearth
I'd unironically say that Run 'n' Gun and Warp Nexus might be the top atm for Purge.
Just so you can close distance with the LMB spam
But only because the other things are so bad
still hearth
Terrifying Barrage is also meh
You're already suppressing things in a huge AoE
Either way they're completely marginal
Even Warp Nexus is kinda just
"Nice I crit a bit more"
olive ember
The innate suppression of the staff is pretty shit iirc
Terrifying barrage solves that issue
olive ember
The alternatives are run n gun and focused channeling and warp flurry
Run n gun is just… not good especially since sliding is a thing
Also you take extra damage while sprinting and the staff sprint is p shit
olive ember
I think the only time I’ve been hit while charging today was cuz shield ogryn knocked a damn poxwalker behind me
And didn’t have the decency to finish it off
So yeah focused channeling is kinda meh
still hearth
Purge
The most OP staff
With the most meh blessings
It used to be that way on Flamer too
olive ember
I mean surge shares them blessings
still hearth
Then they buffed blaze away to be 50%
So hopefully next Psyker buff they fix the peril stuff.
Nothing should require you to be above 80% peril to get the full benefit.
Unless its like
75% DR
Imagine Warp Nexus was 1% crit for every 5/4/3/2 peril instead.
forest coral
Fire will become…burnier
still hearth
What would be a good % for Kinetic Shield for it to be worth using
viral solstice
the dr talent?
viral solstice
i mean its fine as is
forest coral
I think probably scale up to 50-60%
forest coral
Ya
still hearth
Is it though?
viral solstice
yea?
still hearth
viral solstice
i mean its like 10-33% dr free
viral solstice
olive ember
They need to buff peril blocking
viral solstice
i mean i would rather psykers get more toughness or better toughness regen
olive ember
Make it so I can revive while getting shot at again
still hearth
That would work too
olive ember
Thx thx
viral solstice
because broadly that dr talent is not bad but if its just buffed so its the only thing ppl take on that tier its just bandaiding over the problem
still hearth
Make it so I can revive while getting shot at again
Only if they don't lock it to Force Sword
I don't want to play Force Sword to be a niche reviver
viral solstice
ye deflector should be psyker baseline
straight up
psykers can deflect ranged and meleee
class trait
pow
what now jortsblasters
olive ember
Make it so I can block sniper shots pls thx
It’s technically Sunday right
Start of new week?
Wait
olive ember
Yeah Sunday
forest coral
Ya melk stuff refreshed
olive ember
Where psyker buffs fat shark
Update was next week and next week is now here
I legit forgot if Sunday or Monday was start of week
It all blurs together
rocky cedar
I am very curious to see what these buffs will be
Please not just more BB damage or some shit
viral solstice
i think both ogryn and psyker
will get some blessings specific to them messed with
certainly in part
rocky cedar
Yeah they said both
forest coral
To reflect warp madness, now there is chance of random inversed controls
rocky cedar
Oh didn't hear about blessings
viral solstice
thats just my guess
based on the fact theres a bunch of blessings they didnt touch last patch
rocky cedar
Ah I see
viral solstice
and a bunch of those are specific to psyker and ogryn
and staff and ogryn blessings are both a pain point
eg expansive will be fixed to actually work
etc
im talkin INSANE shit like that
rocky cedar
Blessing changes would be nice, personally I'd like a partial reversion of the passive quell fix
And feat buffs/reworks
Not that Psyker has more bad feats than eg Zealot
But some stuff that would definitely be nice to see tweaked
grizzled jasper
Watch the buff be a small increase in walking speed
olive ember
Idek I just want more content tbh
To be completely honest I’m actually fine with how psyker is rn
rocky cedar
Me too TBH
olive ember
They fill their role well enough. I want more weapons and more things to do
rocky cedar
But I see no reason why balance tweaks should draw much away from them working on new content
viral solstice
i think they will probs mess with talents/feats
because numbers tweaks to those are v easy
still hearth
But I see no reason why balance tweaks should draw much away from them working o...
They're doing both.
They said there would be a content update at the end of March
viral solstice
yeah i mean these balance changes are like
theyre literally just changin numbers
blessings might be harder
but we will see
still hearth
Aside from ensuring things work as intended
Which shouldn't take that long
These changes have been marginal
rocky cedar
Well the last Ogryn change shows that complete feat reworks are not out of the question
Which is reassuring
olive ember
Which shouldn't take **that long**
Remember we didn’t think crafting would be that hard to implement
olive ember
Honestly I was hoping for a bit more from the system considering it’s basically lifted straight out of division 2
rocky cedar
I'm still holding out hope they might replace wrack and ruin with something much more interesting and build expanding
olive ember
Except in division 2 you can library everything from perks to stats to blessings. None of this gacha Garbo
still hearth
Wrack and Ruin:
10% chance to apply 1 stack of soulblaze to enemy on kill.
And no, it doesn't give you AB chance.
rocky cedar
Nah there's enough soulblaze stuff
still hearth
olive ember
Well that’s not true in the division 2 you similarly could only change one thing per item and rest is locked
rocky cedar
Non force weapon feat come on fatshark
rocky cedar
If you're gonna give them that many non force weapons
rocky cedar
Give us some direct feat synergies
rocky cedar
I'd rather not have to run out to make use of it frankly
still hearth
I mean you run out of bullets in the mag anyway
rocky cedar
But some kind of ammo consumption reduction through force cost could be cool for sure
rocky cedar
I'd prefer something that empowers shots though
rocky cedar
Peril cost for armour pen or something funky
Oh yeah quicken needs a rework
I don't think it's salvageable
still hearth
Just make it enough CDR
No warp charges thing
Make it 50% or more
Just straight up
olive ember
I mean it would make FS dodges useful
rocky cedar
That would unironically be better than the headshot vent one
olive ember
FS has like one of the shortest melee dodges in the game iirc
rocky cedar
There are definitely worse dodges
olive ember
I’m getting screwed by it cuz I forget other weapons can’t infinite dodge
rocky cedar
I find with a decent mobility roll dodge slides still do their job fine
viral solstice
well if u make it slide / dodge for melee/ranged
rocky cedar
And you can chain them infinitely
still hearth
I mean you only need to time dodges
viral solstice
low peril
rocky cedar
Being able to chain infinitely can be pretty helpful for dealing with ranged
Otherwise yeah it doesn't do much
viral solstice
but yeah stuff to add interplay between non peril weapons and peril weapons
would be so sick
eg
weakspot hits with non-force weapons quell x peril or reduce the cast time of ur next brain burst by 20% (stacks 5 times)
and suddenly ur like
drop a dude with some headshots
insta brain burst
frag more
etc
like thats what psyker is missing, interplay
peril being used as a resource for more than just quietitude etc etc
have any of u tried the crosshair remap thing
i wanted to use this to change the awful staff crosshair
but using it on voidstrike gets rid of the charge bars for the chargeup
tho the crosshair does contract as u charge which is something
near wyvern
Let it be known, dagger psyker with kinetic deflection can still easily tank a damnation Daemonhost as long as you can dodge in circles or around a pillar. If you get stuck you will die.
leaden thunder